NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[jade briar]

I'm confident in that because when you look at the objects in debug mode that are glitching out, those specific objects are also the ones with glitchy lighting in normal gameplay

[ember river]

Note: disabling RTXDI altogether seems to solve the blinking issue

[jade briar]

Huh

Someone should make an issue. Mark said.

[tawny elk]

It's the Temporal part

Disable that part of RTXDI and it's much better

[ember river]

Getting asphalt to look decent in the runtime is really a pain in the ass. If you shoot for photoscanned reallistic textures straight from, like, textures.com, it doesn't looks anything like the site's pictures or at least like in blender. Making them wet with such low res textures just adds to the pile, so for now I'm focusing on a non soaked, dry-ish asphalt with some bits of water puddles being already absorved by the pavement.
Taking the feedbacks I made a couple of changes:

• Roughness bumped up with some added wet details for "visual interest"
• The cracks I decided to keep them being rougher, as I'm not aiming for soaked roads, so instead of water being condensed between the cracks, it is being absorbed by the pavement and drained towards the soil below
• Albedo is slightly brighter, to sort of mimic the look of some iconic LA roads

I'll be working on the intersections now and push the stuff to git so you guys can test it out.
Any thoughts?

[jade briar]

I'll take another shot at the roads tomorrow

[tawny elk]

I'd increase the overall roughness a bit more. Still feels too smooth.

[ember river]

By then I'd be giving up wet roads altogether, I think

sec

[ember river]

Maybe like this?

[tawny elk]

Now that's a good looking road

[jade briar]

Came a little

[cloud crypt]

Very beautiful @ember river

[ember river]

Aight so, guys, if you wanna take a look again, I just pushed everything 👍

[tawny elk]

|| After I go get some ice cream ||

[tawny elk]

Should I make some light fixture meshes to add on existing building meshes?

[ember river]

not sure what u mean

[tawny elk]

Like I have a bunch of light sources placed where a light would be but there’s not really a light fixture mesh there.

Cause the light sources look odd just floating around.

[ember river]

Oh I see. Like the ones under the metro lines north fort union

[tawny elk]

Yea

They’re just floating.

[ember river]

I'd say it depends on the location, each one with a different style

but definitely they'd need some love

getting your hands into 3d modelling?

[tawny elk]

I’ve done it before, not good at texturing tho.

Have to block out buildings frequently for work. But we only care about the reflectivity of surfaces not texture.

[ember river]

hmm that is interesting

[ember river]

gamedev DCCs are far from being the software of choice I suppose

[tawny elk]

Unreal and Unity are trying to change that pretty hard.

Big money in the AEC world.

Hard to sell people multimillion dollar buildings off a sketch and description anymore.

They need VR and the like nowadays.

[ember river]

that is true, I like the way it is taking, I'm just a little bit afraid of it coming to suffer from feature creep issues

[ember river]

Ohh yeah, that might be pretty cool to work with

[dusty grove]

In that video shot you just catch original look of nfsu2 great job!
(Obv its not wet but looks so similar)
Did you figured out way to make it only bit wet when no rain and more wet when rain comes? Is it even possible?

[tawny elk]

Feature creep is the name of the game with AEC.

[ember river]

thx. Sadly we can't right now make it dynamic, it is either dry or wet, and since low res normal map looks really bad for wet roads, I decided to go almost fully dry pavement

[ember river]

sheesh

[ember river]

Lil spoiler of the hedge fence.
I must say I'm enjoying making it quite a bit. Made a geometry nodes setup to replicate 5 leaves sample meshes throughout the surface of any object so I can make hedge fences of any shape, and now, just like with the asphalt, the leaves of a random tree on my house will be in the game 🙂

And i really mean like, any shape lol
I'm in love with this thing

[tawny elk]

100 years experience in blender:

[ember river]

Pretty pretty cool. Beveled edges and all the good stuff

[tawny elk]

I should quick my day job and just model these beauties

[ember river]

Imagine being paid to do such things all day

Senior game remixer/DJ

[tawny elk]

A wallpack

[ember river]

poggers' pack

[tawny elk]

Now if adding them was as easy as adding the light source

[craggy plover]

Does anyone know why this happens after a short time of driving?

[dusty grove]

As temporary solution #1103377328530276403 message

[craggy plover]

@dusty grove Seems odd but it works so thank you. Still looks great without that one part on

[blazing bone]

Im pretty sure that got fixed before

[craggy plover]

@blazing bone I dont know how I re broke it then D;

[blazing bone]

Try updating your rtx remix runtime, maybe update your replacements too

That probably could fix it... hopefully

[craggy plover]

Just to throw it out there. I love these remix projects ya'll have going on and its absolutely amazing. I feel bad coming in with my misunderstanding of installing. Thank you for bringing this game that I enjoy and making it even more amazing.

@blazing bone I will definitely try that.

Out of curiousity how much fps do people normally get with this?

[blazing bone]

What gpu?

[ember river]

Yeah I fixed it, we just didn't release any new version of the mod. It was a very specific light someone placed that was, for some unknown reason, producing an extremely high overbright

[tawny elk]

Like 30 to 40. But sometimes I get 60fps.

[craggy plover]

I get about 30-40 as well. Running on a 3090 ti

[blazing bone]

Need for speed sucks 🥱🥱🥱🥱

[ember cobalt]

what res?

[craggy plover]

That part I am confused about lol. In game it says 1280x1024 and I have changed anything in the widescreenfix mod

I havent changed*

[dusty grove]

What is ur screen res? 1080p?

[craggy plover]

My widescreen is 0x0

If I do 1920x1080 should I also change the scaling option for fov?

Looking pretty delicious

[ember river]

Those hairy boys gonna need some trimming, but looking good already

[craggy plover]

Thats delicious

[tawny elk]

That’s deciduous

[balmy chasm]

Is it high on poly count? If so, you might want to make it closer to irl bushes with leaves points outwards the center

[soft zinc]

I am curious. As of the current implementation, how do you prevent the road textures and water splotch textures from visible tiling?

Do you randomly 'rotate' UV tiles using Voronoi cell noise or something?

[balmy chasm]

Road mesh is not remodeled as of now, so no UV modifications. You just feed in tileable texture and that's it. The only trick is the size of the image, which is 1:8

[soft zinc]

So the tiling won't be easily noticed due to the tex's L O N G height?

[balmy chasm]

Exactly. But real downside of this is memory usage. For good result you need like 2Kx16K image

[jade briar]

Darken the green, and lower the roughness.

[jade briar]

The game itself uses 1:8 textures. The trick is to remove all contrast and areas of potential interest from the texture so they people don't notice the tiling.

If you look at the textures I made for 0.2, you'll see tiling way too often.

[cobalt peak]

I get 35-55FPS on my 3070 Ti using DLSS Balanced

But I am also using the 0.1.0 version

[cloud crypt]

You should use 0.2.0 because it already has a bunch of lights added. And a 3070Ti should be able to run at 1080p atleast 70fps

In balanced

[cobalt peak]

Oh yeah I tested without DLSS I forgot

But 0.1.0 has a worse performance than 0.2.0

I kinda prefer 0.1.0 tho because 0.2.0 is overly noisy for me

[soft zinc]

1080p 3050 mobile (50W), Medium+ DLSS Performance with PostFX enabled. 21-25 fps

[soft zinc]

I see

Also something tells me road reflecctions are handled by duplicate meshes

the weirdge mesh that pops in front of me with road reflections turned on

This can't happen if it's all planar right?

These also block existing light sources once they appear

shadowboi

ignore the name, forgot to add an H at the beginning long back and just stuck with it as a joke 💀

[jade briar]

No

[jade briar]

Show

[soft zinc]

Is in the image

[jade briar]

All I see is the menu

[soft zinc]

Restarted the game, frames started dropping, ill head over to the spot again

@jade briar

First image has road reflections turned on, second image is the same spot without road reflections

[jade briar]

That is indeed strange

I think the game might be using a combination of both

[soft zinc]

In the case they're using both, why use both instead of just either or? Wouldn't that save on performance?

[jade briar]

I honestly have no idea. There was a big 500 message long arguement in this thread like 2 months ago where we found out that the game was using planar. I have no idea now.

[tawny elk]

Anything reflections related should be set to low as possible. Same with shadow

[soft zinc]

:O

now this is confusing

[soft zinc]

I know, was just curious as to why entire meshes spawn when reflections are turned on

[low lagoon]

so, uhm, has this happened to anyone else here that the game simply refuses to start and instantly crashes when following the instructions for "manual" installs?

oh and before I forget it: Thanks to everyone involved for the effort invested, this is the only game I actually wanted to have a remix adaption 🙂

[low lagoon]

I could repro this with obligatory ASLR disabled. With dinput8 not present, it gets to the loading screen, then crashes (if dsound is present), with neither present it does janky stuff with my monitors and then crashes. Disabling remix (renaming the d3d9.dll) "fixes" the crashes.

[tawny elk]

Rename d3d9.DLL to d3d9.asi

[low lagoon]

eventvwr generates five log entries per crashed start, one error with a 0xc0000409 code, one error with a 0xc0000005 code (which is a segfault iirc), three informational level ones, one of which points towards d3d9.dll and two of which point towards PCH_EC_FROM_ntdll+0x0007672C

[low lagoon]

done. now it gets to the splash screen / loading screen and then crashes

with two 0xc0000090 errors in the eventvwr

[tawny elk]

Man y’all keep getting these errors and I have no idea what y’all doing

[low lagoon]

0xC0000090: Floating-point invalid operation

interesting

[tawny elk]

Anything unique with your setup?

[low lagoon]

only thing I can think of is obligatory global ASLR, but I have added an exception for the game's executable already

[tawny elk]

Are you able to disable it temporarily and see if it fixes it?

[low lagoon]

yeah, I'll turn it off globally and then check again (requires a reboot, so I'll be back soon)

[tawny elk]

I’d imagine that might cause problems with how some floating numbers could be stored.

[low lagoon]

also, I'm not sure if this could break things, but I have a "regular" install of the game ACL-wise (so you need admin to write to the files)

oh and I just saw that I get a "data layer missing" error when loading

logfile:

oh, that looks juicy:

err:   Texture c:\Program Files (x86)\NFS Underground 2\rtx-remix\captures\textures\0BC4C4F65B4CDE1C.dds asset data cannot be found or corrupted.
err:   Texture c:\Program Files (x86)\NFS Underground 2\rtx-remix\mods\gameReadyAssets\Textures\vegetation\F1BC534078679832_diffuse.dds asset data cannot be found or corrupted.

from this log

and disabling global obligatory ASLR didn't fix it 😦

[jade briar]

I'm pretty sure it's because most people don't install dxvk.conf properly

[cobalt peak]

Will we return to Bayview in NFS 2024?

[jade briar]

Actually

[tawny elk]

No

[cobalt peak]

I found a theory on reddit tho.

[jade briar]

Bridge.conf

[tawny elk]

Nah that’s fine

[cobalt peak]

NFS 2024: Return to Bayview

We could also meet Razor there.

[tawny elk]

Yea I’d imagine windows can be causing lots of problems but I’m not certain.

[low lagoon]

I've just granted my user full access to the directory. it seems to have fixed the errs from the log. Though I get
warn: [GameCapturer] LSS USD Plugins failed to load. now.

[tawny elk]

That’s prob fine. Does the game launch now ?

[low lagoon]

it gets to the loading screen and then crashes

[tawny elk]

Progress

[low lagoon]

just to confirm: Do I need the omniverse launcher installed if I do not plan on changing any assets?

[tawny elk]

No

[tawny elk]

While I was driving back from ice cream it was raining, I noticed that the “groove” that cars leave is a standard deviation distribution in its smoothness. The very middle is smooth but it quickly becomes rougher.

New idea, Python scripts to setup things similar to how the RTX downloaded works.

I go to zoo to brainstorm more things now.

[ember cobalt]

do some photogrammetry to replace the cars with super tuned zoo animals

[misty pebble]

Don't believe in theories until it is confirmed by the devs themselves

Besides, every NFS game we have had never went back to the previous game's place

This isn't GTA where they can't even make a new place/island

[tawny elk]

Now we’re talking

[low lagoon]

interesting. the errors in the log keep changing. one run it didn't complain. Then in the current run it complains that F1BC534078679832_diffuse.dds is missing (and I confirmed it's also not in the repo)

(and a bunch of captures it can't find)

[tawny elk]

@jade briar 👀

[low lagoon]

err: Texture c:\Program Files (x86)\NFS Underground 2\rtx-remix\captures\textures\0BC4C4F65B4CDE1C.dds asset data cannot be found or corrupted.

[dusty grove]

Maybe try to put game out of program files?

[jade briar]

about time I fix my file

[low lagoon]

👀 somethin's running

the bridge is running at 70% CPU load

err: ...server-side D3D9 device creation failed with 8876086a. progress?

behavior is consistent: when running from the non-program files directory, nothing happens on clicking the executable, except that it generates the above line in the log (along with some other ones) and it seems both the bridge and the game are running as processes (that I have to kill via task manager)

[dusty grove]

Ok lets go through trouble shooting:
What gpu is it latest driver?
Update remix\bridge\dxvk
In widescreenfix set windowed mode to 4
Rename dinput8.dll not to .asi but to dsound.dll
Also if nothing works its mean you have old bad whatever version of game try different (latest) version of game itself

[low lagoon]

GPU is 3080 Mobile 16GB 150W, driver is 536.99
I pulled the latest builds of remix / bridge / dxvk this morning from the actions
windowed is set to 4
dinput8.dll was present, but renaming it so it doesn't get loaded (dinput8_.dll) didn't fix it either, the dsound.dll rename was always there
the game executable has a change date of 08. march 2005 22:37 and a size of 4 800 512 bytes. It is my understanding this is the latest

[balmy chasm]

Have you extracted Bridge first?

[low lagoon]

ehh, I don't remember, what is the correct extraction order? remix -> dxvk -> bridge?

[balmy chasm]

Yes

[dusty grove]

So than get game from different source... That obv game problem, just try remove rtx remix, try is game works without remix

[low lagoon]

it worked without remix earlier today (incl with and without the dinput8 dll loading the widescreen fix)

[low lagoon]

extracting remix -> dxvk into .trex -> bridge and then overwriting the files in the game directory didn't change a thing 😦

(with the d3d9.dll -> asi rename)

[balmy chasm]

DXVK has no .trex content, unlike bridge one

[low lagoon]

you are supposed to paste the contents of the dxvk into the .trex folder and not on the top level of the game, right?

[balmy chasm]

Nah, DXVK goes into root

well, at least for 169 build and earlier

[low lagoon]

this sends me into a black screen where nothing happens

[low lagoon]

I've downloaded #205 from the actions page

[balmy chasm]

Have you extracted Bridge after that?

[low lagoon]

yes, this was with remix -> dxvk -> bridge (the last one overwriting the 14MB d3d9.dll with a 700KB one)

[dusty grove]

The order is remix> bridge> dxvk into trex that's it, anyway it should work out of the box

[ember cobalt]

bridge and dxvk order don't matter afaik, just as long as you installed 0.2.0 first

[balmy chasm]

It did matter for me. Also I always extracted dxvk into root, not .trex

[ember cobalt]

??

just follow steps in #remix-beginners-guide or use the downloader

dxvk is supposed to go in .trex

[low lagoon]

ah, whoopsie, I left the d3d9.dll in there. Now with that gone, it booted. Though the widescreen fix is not applied and there seems to be no lights in the garage

[balmy chasm]

What was the order, again?

[low lagoon]

remix -> dxvk -> bridge (though there was a leftover dxvk copy in trex)

[balmy chasm]

dxvk in root?

[low lagoon]

jep

fixing the settings seems to have kicked the widescreen fix in and re-enabled the lighting

[ember cobalt]

i still don't understand, why are you saying this?

[balmy chasm]

Because that's the way I installed things

[low lagoon]

perhaps it needs some of the dlls in the root directory?

[dusty grove]

no

[low lagoon]

(and some in trex?)

[ember cobalt]

that isn't correct though

[dusty grove]

press alt+x set dlss to quality

[balmy chasm]

I got it. I'll do the other way next time I update

[low lagoon]

dlss is on performance

[ember cobalt]

i don't mean the order of installation, rather the location it's being extracted to. dxvk goes in .trex, bridge in root

[low lagoon]

interestingly, some things in-game seem broken

[dusty grove]

its skybox missing, but why you have all textures but not skybox...........

[balmy chasm]

Can you find bollards on the map which also shine bright-red?

[low lagoon]

a tunnel looked normal, I suspect the skybox is red

[low lagoon]

where are some?

[balmy chasm]

Yea, search for bollards. They are mostly in the city area

[low lagoon]

you mean these?

[balmy chasm]

Yes

Try installing the way Kim described again

[tawny elk]

Download from the releases. Not just downloading the repo.

[dusty grove]

he has road and sidewalk textures looks like he cloned repo

[low lagoon]

i did clone the repo 🙂

[balmy chasm]

Which is not bad, just mesh replacements don't work

[tawny elk]

You need to download from releases. Don’t just clone the repo from the GitHub website.

[low lagoon]

that's the 0.2.0-alpha release? Should I also stick to the "official" releases for dxvk and the bridge?

(resp whatever the downloader exe gives me)

[dusty grove]

btw my copy of repo doesnt have bollards replacemant, strange

[ember cobalt]

why not just use the downloader? it does every step correctly, then you just copy it into the game folder. it's an exe file, just run it in an empty folder

[tawny elk]

It’s not in the latest release.

[dusty grove]

so why he has error with it? how is that possible

[low lagoon]

i did try that at first with the broken program-files install. Then I tried to fix things, but apparently made it worse

[tawny elk]

Cause it’s in the repo, but not the release.

[dusty grove]

got it he might download it through branches? that woud explain existing road textures but missing sky and bollards

[tawny elk]

I don’t know, my head hurts enough trying to figure this all out.

[low lagoon]

I followed the git instructions on the repo homepage using the command line

[dusty grove]

i have cloned repo not release 020

[tawny elk]

Here’s an armadillo to comfort us

[low lagoon]

so, now I have take a clean install of the game in a user-owned folder, added the folder the downloader gave me into it, then added the widescreen fix, changing the config as required and renaming the dinput to dsound, then pasted the 020-alpha release and I'm back to the behavior that nothing happens when clicking the executable but the process and the bridge process both spawn and eat 80% CPU

(the d3d9.dll -> d3d9.asi rename changed nothing)

[tawny elk]

I asked the red panda, they don’t have any ideas

[dusty grove]

Man just download cloned repo that i sended to ya

[balmy chasm]

Try older dxvk versions, but no lower #140

[low lagoon]

that seems to work

[ember river]

6k tris. Not so high to model everysingle leaf 😅

[ember river]

We don't have that level of freedom, we can only replace the textures and add pbr maps, not even the uv tiling we can mess with without completely replacing the mesh as a whole, so like burrito said, it is a matter of controlling the details to not be so obvious and spottable while taking advantage of the 1:8 ratio

Aaahh too many messages. Ill be reading and answering later

[ember river]

The latest version if dxvk released doesn't support mesh replacements, so you have to download the "bleeding edge" versions from their git's action tab. Just open the latest green one and download the release zip file.
If mesh replacements don't work, the meshes like the sky (which has a replacement in place) just go killing rage

[ember river]

Here in Brazil we have a lot of those in nature, easy to find one in countryside dirt roads, they're pretty cute boys. Some ppl hunt them for tummy pleasures, even though it is illegal

[ember river]

That is weird. Did you clone it and are able to jump between branches and stuff? Maybe you need to reset your changes and clean the folder to be exactly like the main branch.

cd "C:/GameDirectory"
git fetch
git checkout main -f
git reset --hard origin/main
git clean -df

Don't know what the desktop app equivalent would be

[tawny elk]

This saddens the river otter.

[ember river]

Lotters! I love them. Recorded this in january on a Aquarium

[balmy chasm]

They're consulting animals in hope to get answers about remix issues .-.

[tawny elk]

Okay, after consulting the zoo animals, I think making a general use script that downloads emans latest repo, and then has an option of adding mine overtop of it would be good.

[dusty grove]

fetch didn't help, so I deleted whole thing and clone that again, after all of that no changes, no bollards(((

[ember river]

Lemme setup the submodules so we can make it the right way. The install is already complicated, lot of ppl don't know git well enough so submodules would be just an additional flag to the clone command

[ember river]

You must run all the commands in order, not just fetch

[dusty grove]

adam why in ur repo you tag each file? if smth change or there will be added new .usda it will not work. instead why not just put @./ExtMod/mod.usda@, and every thing will be loaded

[tawny elk]

Cause you end up with duplicates.

[tawny elk]

Lemme know if I need to restructure mine.

[craggy plover]

The only only thing that tears me apart from using dlss is the little after effects of the car as you drive D;

[dusty grove]

As i know remix prioritize top .usda over button, so if there duplicate it won't even load in (cuz it in botton). upd: ok i get it, if there in old file was a mistake, for example wrong light or missing building, new adam files won't fix it

[tawny elk]

The lights are additive, so you end up with duplicates

[ember river]

According to Mark, all the USDA layers are flattened into a single one before being fed to the runtime, so yeah, duplicates are eliminated, but there are caveats to this, I suppose, like the additive lights Adam just mentioned

[ember river]

Btw, why don't you just migrate entirely to work on the main repo?

Don't worry about making large branches full of changes, as long as you close them on merge and create a new one to keep working it should be just fine

[tawny elk]

I’m unable to switch which branch it’s based off of easier. That was a big problem when there was like 10 branches tho.

[craggy plover]

Is there a way to remove the text on the bottom left?

[ember river]

I have a couple git tricks for switching easily and keeping unsaved work. The best thing is to commit your stuff before switching, but if you can't commit the work yet, there is the git stash command, which manages a stack of changes to push and pop unsaved work so you can push, switch branch and do whatever, than go back to your branch and pop your uncommitted work to keep working.
Git stash is a blessing

[dusty grove]

e man, i know you are bizzy with mordering leafs around your house but, we need replacment here: 1 is sidewalk i know it is diffrent texture with some newspapers, so make a newspaper place it over sidewalk texture and just put it in the game. 2 road sides, they are missing and they are 1/5 of the map so they really need some love. If there no time for this maybe make temporary just asphalt texture? 3 Textures all over map wich you can see very freqently, on places like first picture just use standart brick texture that we already have, it will fit just fine, second needed to be made, as the third one (or just use brick again), and fourf. Thank you for your hard work guys!

[ember river]

Hmm yeah, they're all on my todo list. Just trying to finish my wip before starting something new. I'm working on a big branch making replacements for the most common roadway walls

After that comes the unfinished asphalt, those dirty sidewalks and dirt roads for sure

[dusty grove]

e man idk does it planned but because this lamp isn't transparent it is doing this shadow flicker

this one is about mesh culling, not really about light flicker. mesh goes out of camera disappears but light stays so we get this light up

[tawny elk]

That’s a culling problem. Not much that can be easily done.

[dusty grove]

Adam this tunnel needs you ❤️

[tawny elk]

It'll get done one day

[tawny elk]

I'll give it another shot

Oh god there's so much that needs organized

What is $CarName_VR/VL?

I'm just going to make this a housekeeping branch cause this all needs cleaned up

Finally, bliss

By the way @jade briar , I got rid of all the capture dependent mats in this branch for ya

[tawny elk]

Now to tackle player_car_lights

[safe patrol]

yep. I'm still working on head and tail light emissives too, I promise. I just need to focus on it more this week.

[tawny elk]

I just threw them in materials. My head hurts when there's 10000 different usda's in the root of the mod.usda

Does anyone know what mod_lights are?

I need to go cool my head, it's hurting after organizing all this.

[ember river]

I fixed them in my branch, gonna push to main in a few days maybe weeks 😅

[jade briar]

Hellraven's lights

Someone gotta take a look at those

[tawny elk]

@cloud crypt

[cloud crypt]

Whats up

[tawny elk]

What do you want to do with mod_lights.usda? I don't have the energy to sort it now that I went through player_car_lights.usda.

[ember river]

Just came back from kart racing 🏎️
Lots of references for race tracks, specially for clandestine/underground assembled race tracks

[ember river]

Pleaaase, make them waayy stronger like high beams stronger while you're at it

[tawny elk]

Gotta make another branch for that

That's where my grumpiness about branches comes from

[severe solstice]

[cloud crypt]

Well, i dont know yet. What do you even mean by sorting them out? Sorting what out?

[tawny elk]

Need them to be put in their respective usda

No monolithic usdas

[cloud crypt]

You mean for the releases?

[tawny elk]

No in general.

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, butvisnt it just copy and paste since i only changed street, sing and pole lights in it. No other lights where changed

[tawny elk]

Yea but where are they copying pasting to?

[ember river]

Separating will help a lot since we rarely would mess with the same file in different branches, which means less merge conflicts

[cloud crypt]

If you are in the mod_lights usda you just need to highlight them and then drag and drop them into the usda you want them to be

Or simply copy and paste

[tawny elk]

Drag and drop them into the usda you want them to be
Can you tell me what usda you want them to be in? I don't have any context of what any of these lights are located.

Is there any other housekeeping task that needs done with the repo? I got Burritos capture dependency done.

[soft zinc]

big branch?

but I thought you were only modeling small branches

/s

Also jokes aside

[jade briar]

No

Make more jokes

[soft zinc]

what's the feasibility for mini volumetric fog in the pop-up icons next to shops, garages, etc?

iirc large scale fog has been introduced into the game for different regions now right?

or were they preexisting

[jade briar]

Huh

[soft zinc]

referring to thees by popup icons

[soft zinc]

💀

[tawny elk]

Very low feasibility

[soft zinc]

I'm assuming due to both performance issues and due to them being difficult to add in?

[tawny elk]

I don't believe there's a way to add volumetric fog at the moment.

Mark just said it's on the todo list earlier today

#general-remix message

[safe patrol]

I still think we should be going for a wetter look with the roads. Wet daytime asphalt here.

[open atlas]

Road reflections were handled by mirrored models for pretty much every EAGL game if I'm not mistaken. Free cam in menus will allow you to see the way they do it in FE areas. It was that way until at least Carbon.

[still carbon]

You didn't do this! This is TUFU. So image from project 2Unreal5Underground. I also saw you on that Discord server.

[soft zinc]

Huh? But people here have mentioned the game uses planar?

I am confused though

If it was planar, I don't understand why the upside down mesh in the picture I sent blocks light

if it was merely the render flipped upside down with a few transforms, that would not have been the case

Then again, I am a complete newbie to graphics so I very likely got something wrong along the way

[balmy chasm]

Doesn't look too wet though. I'd even say reflections are somewhat similar with what E-man came up with

[cobalt peak]

Huh

[jade briar]

uh huuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh

Suuuuuuuuure

Just one night

You are quick

[cobalt peak]

You really should read all messages

[jade briar]

I know

Tho you should help rockstar make gta 6

It'll be out by next week

[cobalt peak]

Oh I meant YERL

Yeah I don't think GTA VI will come out next week

[jade briar]

With your help, it will

[cobalt peak]

🙂

[jade briar]

If you can port need for speed to ue5 in one night, then you can make gta in a week

[trail quail]

Bet

[safe patrol]

Yeah the roads were closer to dry in these pictures, I failed to get to it right after it rained like in the night time pics

[fiery steeple]

easy install

[tawny elk]

No, only difficult install

[fiery steeple]

pls help

[ember cobalt]

did you watch this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U32QaB23Mws

[jade briar]

There's those people who hate raytracing because it's a gimmic. And then there's nvidia purists on the other hand

[fiery steeple]

no open game pls helpü

[ember river]

Try doing exactly as the dialog tells you, you might find most likely that you don't have a RTX-capable GPU

[jade briar]

YOU NEED AN RTX GRAPHICS CARD.

REndering.

[fiery steeple]

gtx my 1050 ti 🙁

[jade briar]

It's

RTX

Remix

For a reason

[dusty grove]

Don't touch d3d9.dll!. Obv use clean game only with widescreenfix. U have everything explained on nfsu2remix github page, use it instead of stupid video guides.

[tawny elk]

D3d9.DLL needs renames to asi in order to work.

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve had to say that I’d be able to work on this full time

[ember river]

Do you guys know why the meshes for those fountain water spout sprays jets thingy don't show up in debug mode > Geometry Hashes?

[dusty grove]

Not remix one (d3d9.dll), i think he renamed the remix dll (instead of dinput8.dll) thats why he's game doesn't work

[tawny elk]

Are they marked as anything in the categories?

[ember river]

I'm searching for them

Found them. They might be great candidates for the translucent material with the cloudy normals thing

[tawny elk]

Agreed 👍

They should be marked as water texture as well 👀

[jade briar]

God, I still can't figure out why car interiors are being funny

[balmy chasm]

A bunch of triangles?

[tawny elk]

As in the giant black box that’s in them?

[ember river]

What does it does btw?

[jade briar]

A giant block box that has the same material as the car so it appears shiny.

[tawny elk]

Support for the animation of water texture.

[tawny elk]

Can make it go away by referencing the mesh hash in mod usda ez

[ember river]

Anymore info on how it works? Does it stabilizes the mat/mesh hashes, allows for sprite sheet animation or something?

[jade briar]

I'm waiting on the toolkit. I simply can't with the usda/ov bullshit.

[balmy chasm]

Any updates on when it is out?

[jade briar]

Nope

Complete silence.

[tawny elk]

It’s for when the same mesh gets several textures on it that it moves between afaik.

[tawny elk]

End of the year from what I remember reading

[ember river]

Hmmm I wouldn't be surprised if the whole toolkit thing is gonna be an extension to install and use within OV. I've been reading a bit of it and is pretty easy to extend OV to do pretty much anything, from UI stuff to complex python scripts running on the click of a button, and NV has been pushing OV tools quite a bit

[tawny elk]

Theres no escape

[jade briar]

I think Mark said that It's gonna be a standalone app. Don't quote me.

[tawny elk]

Standalone built off OV

I’m almost certain

[ember river]

I've been working on something myself

[tawny elk]

You can always just model stuff and then we can toss it into OV for ya

[ember river]

Same applies for git things and other shennanigans

[tawny elk]

Can you make the house keeping branch a PR and then approve it for me

[ember cobalt]

the release article for Prelude said some time this year

[jade briar]

Sometime this year

Toolkit. More like gta 6

[ember river]

If I author the PR, I can't approve it

[slender sail]

40.000₺

for rtx 4080

[jade briar]

Well. You can get lower end cards for cheaper, but it is what it is.

[slender sail]

yeah i guess i can do that as well

i'll upgrade my pc after the university exams

don't want to risk paying the private university fees

[ember river]

Click "Create pull request" just to register as your authorship, so I can approve it
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/compare/main...HouseKeeping

[tawny elk]

Done. Lemme know if there’s anything that I broke 👀

[safe fossil]

Probably for scrolling textures, would be ignoring/accounting for shifted tex coords then

When calculating hashes

[tawny elk]

Once the housekeeping PR is done, I can easily get my work synced up

[ember river]

The player car headlights were gone, and a bunch more stuff

[cobalt peak]

Yeah, some people just don't get that the new skyboxes ruined everything.

[jade briar]

fr

[cobalt peak]

It's still Bayview, not the north pole.

[ember river]

The hexagonal bollards are back too

[tawny elk]

I moved all the player headlights to their own usds.

Ugh

[ember river]

The player lights only exists in the root usda

oh nvm, I made a confusion

[tawny elk]

Cause I moved them all to their own USDA

[ember river]

but still, not working as expected

[tawny elk]

Yea

I don’t know why it’s broken now

[ember river]

weird, the 240sx lights are attached to mesh_865D3F0C6CC5E5FB, but it isn't even present in the capture

[ember river]

well I'm out of ideas

[severe solstice]

[ember river]

@tawny elk just to make sure, which mesh are the headlights attached to? the roof?

[tawny elk]

For the 240sx?

Don’t remember. I was having difficulty finding a good mesh for that car so it ended up being something odd.

Typically it’s the interior.

I’ve only done the 240, peugot, and the rx7. The rest are from that other file.

You can delete the headlights for any that don’t work and I can redo them at a later point. I’m just going to make them all match what I have for the rx7 pretty much.

[ember river]

Aight

Does the 240sx heaedlights works on your machine?

[tawny elk]

Haven’t checked in awhile

I presume that the one from mod file worked. So just keep those in there.

That way I can get working on adjusting all them

[ember river]

Do you guys have any appointments to make on the asphalt rework PR?
If not, can we move on with it and merge, plis
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/95

[tawny elk]

Testing it out now

You ever try out sublime merge @ember river ?

[tawny elk]

Done

@ember river Just going to delete the housekeeping branch and retry. It's too much of a mess to figure out

[ember river]

never heard of it

I know their text editor only, never heard of a git client

[ember river]

lemme know if you need any help. Btw, for the bollards, I figured out that the light placements are setting the preserveOriginalDrawCall, which renders the bigger original bollard on top of the replacement one and thus, lead us to believe that the bollards mesh replacements weren't working

[tawny elk]

Not even going to touch those, ya'll gonna have to organize it cause I end up breaking to many things touching it

I'll get the lights organized and making sense but that's the extent of my energy sadly

[ember river]

np haha. Just a side note for future mesh replacements, must disable the preserveOriginalDrawCall param

[tawny elk]

Thoughts on this? I incorported the lighting that was in the retexture work

No. Maybe this weekend [it'll be in the main branch of the repo] if I'm productive with this week.

[ember river]

Looking good. Imo the whole room seems too evenly exposed. A bit of visual interest would be nice

[tawny elk]

Yea it's a habit from work. Need to keep the most measurement ratios under 2:1 for that

[ember river]

Is that brightest to darkest ratio?

[tawny elk]

The ratios of min to max, and avg to max are the ones I focus on a lot. Can't have things being too contrasty for day to day things.

[jade briar]

Adam do you happen to work in archvis?

[ember river]

I see. Interesting

[tawny elk]

Adjacent to.

[jade briar]

What is it

[tawny elk]

Archviz? Just visualization of architecture projects

[jade briar]

Yes?

Like

Renders of malls and stuff

[tawny elk]

Yep, you got it.

Way less fun than you think. Not many clients really want you to spend lots of time on viz work since they already bought the building.

The headlight delima returns

I need like some way to turn them boys down in the scene.

[jade briar]

I knew it. Every time I see archvis, it's always 0 contrast shit that you can't even tell if that's a corner, or just some funny paint work.

[tawny elk]

That's cause they don't know how to set settings in rendering software ngl

[jade briar]

And that kinda reflects on your interior work here

[jade briar]

I guess

[tawny elk]

An accurate archviz render sucks ass ngl. You gotta spruce it up in photoshop or tweak the render settings.

Or get really good materials and lighting, but there's likely not enough time

[ember river]

As always, time is the PITA. I heard pinterest have been taking the fun part from architects away

[jade briar]

I thought of something crazy

[tawny elk]

[ember river]

Hmmm I'm liking it. Maybe some cozy indirect lighting bulbs on the roof could promote that fancy car lot vibes, like near the seats on bg

[jade briar]

So

[tawny elk]

Is it delete it all and try again?

[jade briar]

You know how underground 2 has a very specific lighting setup in garages. In the base game.

[tawny elk]

Oh boy

[jade briar]

Lemme cook

I wonder if. Those reflections on the car. In the vanilla game.

Are handled by a cubemap

So if you can somehow find the cubemap in the game files

Recreating that specific setup

Would be easy

(I don't know if the game actually uses a cubemap, but I'm pretty sure it does because how else would they do it in 02)

[tawny elk]

Lol with our settings it's flat shaded I think

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

Someone ask the tufu guy

Because his garage reflections are spot on

[tawny elk]

Who?

[ember river]

I'm pretty sure they are cubemapped, was reading the changelog/feature log of a HD reflections mod and they were referring to incresing cubemap resolution

[jade briar]

The unreal remake

[jade briar]

So it is a cubemap sitting in the files somewhere

[ember river]

Actually I'm not sure now, cause it was compiling the logs for 4 games, from U1 to carbon
https://nfsmods.xyz/mod/3363

[jade briar]

Then you tell me

How would a dev in 02 make reflections

Of course

Cubemaps

[tawny elk]

With wonky uvs right?

[ember river]

most likely

[tawny elk]

I can send you a tool to browse the .bun's or whatever the data archives are for speed games

[jade briar]

That's a requirement

[tawny elk]

Go digging around in the big ol pile of textures

[jade briar]

I'm gonna browse ur buns

[tawny elk]

Huh we could replace textures in the basegame that easy

[ember river]

I think this is how we'd end up replacing decals, vynils and all the dynamic stuff we can't do in remix

[ember river]

Lol looks like those AI dreaming stuff

[jade briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046062598447169676/1138473575435730954/car_rot.mp4

[jade briar]

Only if necessary

Because then remix itself will start to lag

Trying to work with hq assets from source

[tawny elk]

There's 3-4 light sources for the car based on shadows

[tawny elk]

What about the skydome

[jade briar]

Well

We did figure out out

[jade briar]

Didn't we

Zound

Send me the application

I'll look at it when I wake up

[jade briar]

No viruses this time pls

[tawny elk]

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/54d2f31cf2c6e52cc366aa252c9b845a478c5ca5e3cd074bdffb940a51a2bc8f?nocache=1

[jade briar]

Thx

[tawny elk]

Pretty sure this is the cubemap

[balmy chasm]

Pleeeeeeeaaaase, apply a reflective material to a car before testing 🙏

[swift palm]

Hey guys I got solution of my problem

NvRemixBridge.log:
......
[22:54:57.299] info: Initializing D3D9...
[22:54:57.300] info: Message channel MessageChannelServer established.
[22:54:57.728] info: Exception 0xe06d7363 at 00007FF825BDCF19! Saving minidump to 'D:\Game\nfs8copy.trex\NvRemixBridge.exe_20230810_225457.dmp'
......

d3d9.log:
......
[22:54:57.264] info: Process set as DPI aware
[22:54:57.264] info: Sending SYN command, waiting for ACK from server...
[22:55:12.931] err: The server process has unexpectedly exited, shutting bridge down until next game relaunch!
[22:55:13.042] err: Timeout. Connection not established to server.
[22:55:13.042] err: Are you sure the server was invoked by this application and is running?
[22:55:13.042] info: [Uptime] Server (estimated): 16s
[22:55:13.052] err: GetDeviceCaps() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.067] err: GetAdapterIdentifier() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.083] err: GetAdapterModeCount() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.098] err: GetAdapterDisplayMode() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.114] err: CheckDeviceMultiSampleType() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.114] info: Creating a NON thread-safe D3D9 device.
[22:55:14.114] err: ...server-side D3D9 device creation failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:14.114] info: Creating a NON thread-safe D3D9 device.
[22:55:15.114] err: ...server-side D3D9 device creation failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:15.178] info: Creating a NON thread-safe D3D9 device.
[22:55:16.176] err: ...server-side D3D9 device creation failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:16.176] info: Creating a NON thread-safe D3D9 device.
[22:55:17.176] err: ...server-side D3D9 device creation failed with: no response from server.
......

This is my problem

I use ryzen4900H with intergrated GPU

and RTX2060

this bring problem

you should disable your amd intergrated GPU

now my rtx remix work!!

I found my solution when I install Vulkan SDK

https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Loader/issues/552

This is where I discovered the source of my problem

[bright hedge]

💀🧢

[tawny elk]

Got any suggestions?

[balmy chasm]

Like a temporary replacement, no need to push car material into repo

[ember river]

Do you guys know why the mesh transform for the race events/shops/cash/message/etc. billboards are positioned at world origin like if the transforms were baked into the mesh vertices?
Anyway to disable it, maybe, with a specific texture category? This kind of kills any mesh replacements for them (Also hashes are all different on each capture)

[tawny elk]

Animations change the hash no?

[jade briar]

00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

oops

T0hat was my cat

[tawny elk]

[tawny elk]

Toe beans

[jade briar]

baby

[ember river]

I guess so, for the hashes it might explain what is going on

[jade briar]

000000

I'm sorry

Guess I'm not using the computer now

[tawny elk]

It's hers now

[jade briar]

Build of you to assume the orange cat is female

Bold*

[tawny elk]

||In English, the word cat is gendered to female for some reason.||

He got some nice toe beans then

[jade briar]

Yeah

[swift palm]

LOL

[jade briar]

He needs a bath

He's stinky

[tawny elk]

Gotta teach him how to bath by taking a bath with him.

[bold bay]

Avatar for achmediel

Link as

png | jpg | webp

Play games on Carl-bot. Use /games list to see available games!

[tawny elk]

Has he started sitting on the exhaust fans from your desktop yet? My last cat used to do that.

[swift palm]

All cats like warm places😹

[ember river]

I managed to fix the transform baking thing by changing fused world transform from "In world" to "In view" mode, but the mesh is still procedurally generated as it is animated, thus, random hashes. But, it keeps using the same material, so, is there a texture category I can put it to stabilize the mesh hash? I know it doesn't makes sense since the hash is changing, but maybe it collapses to a single mesh variant or something...

[jade briar]

Thankfully, he hasn't figured that part out yet, And it's summer anyways.

My last cat would sleep on my computer all the time

[bold bay]

Avatar for gector.makoto.doorkun.freak

Link as

png | jpg | webp

Play games on Carl-bot. Use /games list to see available games!

[timid prairie]

Yeah, im good

[jade briar]

yeah

[jade briar]

kitty

[jade briar]

@tawny elk I have a feeling that these are the reflections

[tawny elk]

I think those are for the main menu, that had a pink tint to it.

[jade briar]

There's only one folder with such textures called envmaps

[tawny elk]

If you go to the bins for the garages they have the same cubemap sides.

[jade briar]

Oh yeah I see that now

hmmm

[jade briar]

Okay

x negative
x positive
y negative
y positive
z negative
z positive

I'll try to assemble these in blender

But what axis the game uses?

Is the game

z up

Or y up?

[snow coral]

She just came alone. I forgot to close the door

[jade briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046062598447169676/1141087530075295885/image.png

@tawny elk

The light setup in TUFU

[tawny elk]

I count 3 sources

Looks like just 2 sphere lights and a distant?

[tawny elk]

Think it was y up

[tawny elk]

I can mimic it maybe tonight if we wanna try it.

[tawny elk]

Big ol rect soft box, and a couple of diffused spots.

Anything else you want me to mock up from tufu?

On another note: Are we able to add a mesh to an existing mesh? Like I want to add a light fixture to an existing building. Can I do that without removing the existing building mesh?

[jade briar]

@ember river

[tawny elk]

Did tufu do any of the shops yet?

[jade briar]

idk

ilkl ask

[cobalt peak]

Are you over 30Y old

Your hands look old

[jade briar]

No I'm like

21

[elfin beacon]

Bro focus on the cat.

[cobalt peak]

Lol looks a bit like one of my 9 cats

Just mine has a thicker head

[jade briar]

I think I messed up

[tawny elk]

I wouldn’t trust the labels. Think the top the large rect, and two adjacent sides are the tabs.

[jade briar]

It's literally just a large box in the sky

@tawny elk

[tawny elk]

Big ol soft box

[jade briar]

A great example of simple, yet elegant.

Here it is in a 360 panorama form if you want to play around.

It worked so well, that I had to make a render.

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT8NCP1y8/

[jade briar]

A bit too bright, innit?

Maybe try using a emissive plane

[elfin beacon]

Bro's scared to death.

[jade briar]

So that it doesn't litter the scene with too much light, but also makes the nice reflections that we're looking for.

Something like this.

Put this on a plane.

@tawny elk

Maybe cut the grey parts out.

Or this.

[tawny elk]

No idea how to do that :/

After letting the denoiser sit for a bit

Gotta go for now, I expect an art critique when I get back

We might wanna make the turntable texture a bit darker to reflect less light.

Grayscale Reflectance = 0.2125 * R + 0.7154 * G + 0.0721 * B

I’d say something around .4 to .5 would be good.

[jade briar]

Can you make the car 0.05 rough and 0.2 metallic?

[tawny elk]

Soon

[tawny elk]

Got too eepy to do anymore work

[ember cobalt]

🛌

sleep well

[balmy chasm]

I did reference irl solution though. Pretty sure it is meant to reflect light on the downside panels

[balmy chasm]

I see you got ghost lights here, may be you should assemble the scene with mesh replacements in place. Also no idea why window frame shines

[vague sparrow]

what do we have here 👀

[jade briar]

car

s

[vague sparrow]

its me lmao, remember?

the guy who told you to upload the first results with ug2

after a two month long hiatus

[dusty grove]

Where is glass material on car glass? Remix has one.

[vague sparrow]

bro i got a 3080 now

🔥

[jade briar]

A little problem with it, so it's on hold now.

[jade briar]

u don't need that

#offtopic message

[vague sparrow]

||Streaming from system with dGPU||

[jade briar]

nuh uh

[dusty grove]

What abou car paints? We already have separate.usda prepared for each vehicle, why not add car paints there? Yes it will be same for each subaro in the game, but it won't be as ugly as it is now without any paint at all, the color values you can change without OV just in car.usda.
Or there is problem with textures that each body kit changes base texture, so if we force to use same paint texture it will be broken on some body kits?

[tawny elk]

The window frame gets set as an emissive for some reason

[tawny elk]

That’s why I’m asking about it

[severe solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hugs-alydn-gif-26454086

[cobalt peak]

NFSU2 w RTX Remix in 5years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V1URhdh8mI&t=198s

[jade briar]

Hmm

I like the lighting

Although

[tawny elk]

It's kind of muddy tho imo

[jade briar]

Can you make the outdoors darker

And maybe color em lighter

The outdoor lights

For some visual contrast.

[soft zinc]

wait woah

[ember river]

Thinking about the strong light beams, might sound counterintuitive but, making the ground shinier (low roughness) might help lowering the effects of the head/taillights in the interior

[soft zinc]

So the whole attaching ids to meshes is akin to the visiblity buffer rendering method?

or does the similarity end with the mesh ids

[jade briar]

Man

Why does remix keep looking muddy

I don't understand

[tawny elk]

Cause materials do be important

[jade briar]

Mmm

Man

These old materials are so pixelated that you can barely tell what they're supposed to be

[dusty grove]

Add lights on top, its too dark

[tawny elk]

I got a plan for that

[ember river]

let alone an AI being able to identify and upscale them

[jade briar]

Yeah

[tawny elk]

Think I got it dialed in

[jade briar]

Did you use a large rect light like the original?

[soft zinc]

Wouldn't the portions of the tailight's light 'under' the rearbumper be in shadow

[tawny elk]

I tried it and I can't edit the angle of the rect source so it ends up flooding the scene

[soft zinc]

oh oof

[jade briar]

Have you tried making it a mesh?

[soft zinc]

so it's just a pointlight?

[ember river]

I'm not sure, but remix computes hashes for mesh assets on the fly based on the data that the CPU tries to upload to the GPU. I'm not sure which set of properties are used, like vertices, normals, UVs, etc., but is something along these lines

[jade briar]

Emmisive mesh

[tawny elk]

If you wanna model all that go for it

[soft zinc]

icic

[jade briar]

Nonon

Like

[soft zinc]

why not test i tout?

[jade briar]

Wtf

[soft zinc]

wait nv,

[jade briar]

Just an emmisive plane

[soft zinc]

nvm}\

[tawny elk]

We can't add that

[jade briar]

Y

[tawny elk]

Ohhh wait I see what you mean

If you setup the mesh replacement I can try it

[jade briar]

Basicy

Basically

[soft zinc]

yeah

[jade briar]

The only one who knows how to de mesh replacements

Is eman

@ember river

[ember river]

wut

[jade briar]

Wake up soldier. We have a mesh replacement to make.

[ember river]

oke

[jade briar]

Just a single emissive plane on top of the car

[tawny elk]

Make my advanced light fixture blend into usds pls

[jade briar]

#1103377328530276403 message

[ember river]

idk how I can setup it since I don't have your repo to hop in your branch

[soft zinc]

wait, might be fucky wucky idea but

[jade briar]

No

[soft zinc]

Why not replace car windows with a refractive glass mesh with the mesh replacer? Separating the windows from the car models into two different mesh files within say, blender, should be on the easier side, since they're low poly and since the oplygons are disconnected for whatever ereason

wait nvmslk

[soft zinc]

what does he say

[tawny elk]

Here's a very dim rect source

[ember river]

What needs to be done where, I didn't catch up with the conversation on the rect light things well enough

[soft zinc]

car

[ember river]

it is that mountain ride jump scare from ole yt days

[soft zinc]

On a more serious note

Does the RTX Remix rendering engine allow for screenspace effects, such as AO ?

[jade briar]

I... Did that. Have problems with the interior material.

[soft zinc]

is done already?

[jade briar]

Scrapped. Will wait for toolkit to attempt again.

[soft zinc]

oof icic

[soft zinc]

I can dream of screenspace beveling being applied on lowpoly sharp edges of various meshes in the game

[jade briar]

No screenspace effects

[soft zinc]

What's stopping it from doing so?

[jade briar]

The people making remix don't want to add any unphotorealistic effects.

[ember river]

Many reasons. As NV ppl would say, it is usually a user's fault having sharp edges rather than remix responsibility, as we can replace the very mesh. Also, things get trickier when dealing with a path tracer rather than regular rasterization, effects like AO as example, make no much sense if you can cast rays to approximate what the ambiental occluion should really be. On top of that, SS effects are limited to what remix provides us for now, afaik

[jade briar]

"ambiencial occlusion"
Man's coming up with the made up intellectual words.

[ember river]

lol sry, got lost translating from pt. "Ambient" translates to "Ambiente" and we actually have "Ambiental" in our vocab lol

[jade briar]

Understandable

[ember river]

So you guys still need any help? otherwise imma go back to my jersey barriers and stuff

[jade briar]

You're a smart man, right?

[ember river]

My mom tells me so, she says I have more chromosomes than any other kid at my year level

[jade briar]

Can you look at the licencing here and tell if we would be able to use these textures?

https://help.poliigon.com/en/collections/858735-purchases-licensing

[ember river]

Hm that last line in the pic is already a first barrier

[soft zinc]

I see, I see

Also whoops sorry, forgot about AO being anatural consequence of pathtracing

💀

[ember river]

Actually nvm, we aren't using for commercial stuff

[ember river]

Well think it is a nono
They are quite restrictive

[jade briar]

Man

What if I ask blender guru nicely

[ember river]

I'd start offering a couple donuts

[jade briar]

Lol

(don't tell anyone but a few of the materials in there are from poliigon)

Shh

[tawny elk]

Replacing the concrete with a more accurate diffuse helps a lot

[ember river]

Hmm there is already an replacement for the concrete ground mat_861091EEF7EF3E9C by EAWorld in the main repo, although I don't think it was meant to be concrete

[tawny elk]

I think the floor is fine

[ember river]

Oh, you mean the ceiling

Would it make sense if we shoot for some soundproofing carpet?

[tawny elk]

No it'd be nice smoothed concrete

[ember river]

Aight, lemme cook

[tawny elk]

I think the brightness of the base layer for the floor is a bit high

[ember river]

maybe some fancy porcelain tiles

[jade briar]

Do we really need "Oooooh shiny"

[tawny elk]

We need non-cliping diffuses for sure

[balmy chasm]

Is it really clipping anywhere? I can believe there are few pixels in the separation line, but not a concrete flat part

[tawny elk]

The metal beams is what I was talking about my bad.

Shoud've clarified

[balmy chasm]

It is grey?

[tawny elk]

I think I masscured EAWorlds scene but I like the tile

[slender zodiac]

I tried the culling stuff for ug1 map mw port

[tawny elk]

No it's white

[slender zodiac]

The stuff didn't work pretty well 😂

[balmy chasm]

I did take as reference an IRL solution. More accurate

[balmy chasm]

Here you somehow managed to get off shining window. Did you tweak configs?

[tawny elk]

Whites this white don't exist in the real world.

[balmy chasm]

That's polished aluminium

[tawny elk]

Ohhh

[balmy chasm]

And I'm pretty sure that's bright grey

[tawny elk]

Nah its 255,255,255

[balmy chasm]

Metal and Roghness maps did the trick .-.

[ember river]

I could slap the bollards material in them, just need to reunwrap the mesh

[balmy chasm]

Wait, is it even Albedo?

[tawny elk]

I don't know it's your texture

[balmy chasm]

Which texture is used for red rope?

[balmy chasm]

The thing I'm more concerned about is the fact this bollard texture is so big

[tawny elk]

They're painted steel beams, so I don't know how well your bollard material will match that

[ember river]

Oh I was thinking about polished aluminum as brushed steel, sry

Any IRL references of the look you guys are looking for those beams?

[balmy chasm]

Beams?

[ember river]

yup

I'm still confused of what should be replaced in this garage though

[tawny elk]

They'd be like this. Plain painted steel collumn.

[balmy chasm]

And don't forget about modelling joints!

[ember river]

U mean like those? Cz everything else seems just like a bent/curvy beam

[balmy chasm]

Bruh

[tawny elk]

I wouldn't worry about modeling the connecting joints

[balmy chasm]

Curvy beam?

[tawny elk]

Spent all the money on that instead of the rest of the building

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, exactly

[ember river]

Those knee shapes?

[balmy chasm]

To be fair I can't imagine a stable structure using such beams

[tawny elk]

It's held up by the wonky uvs

[balmy chasm]

Where's that irl?

[ember river]

yeah I wouldn't think those are for supporting the building. They look much more like thin aluminum sheets bent around the already awkward ceiling shape, much like elevator entrances. While this bit here in the second pic could be a supporting beam

[tawny elk]

That'll be stainless steel then

https://ambientcg.com/view?id=Metal011

[balmy chasm]

I mean, here it looks like some interesting coating around structural beams. No bolts etc around joints

[tawny elk]

That's fireproof paint, it's got a little bit of shine to it but it's just white paint at the end of the day

[ember river]

Judge me as you wish, but I'm looking at some references from flo's cafe from Cars park (at disney park?) 🤣

[tawny elk]

Rip the grain

[tawny elk]

Painted steel with a sandblast finish(?) right there.

[ember river]

Hmm cool

[ember river]

U guys think the bollards material would fit in?

[balmy chasm]

Think that's a solid metal giant beam?

[tawny elk]

Not really

[tawny elk]

Yea otherwise you'll have to make the whole thing a canteliver support via antigravity

Don't doubt the money disney has to spend on theming

[ember river]

Well I had to google "canteliver" up. Think here in brazil the equivalent would be called "French Hand" (Mão Francesa)

[balmy chasm]

Let's consider those beams fully decoration then :D Here's the structure

[ember river]

Should we worry how this whole ceiling structure is help up or we just leave it to the unspeakable taut UVs?

[tawny elk]

UVs.

[balmy chasm]

It will be hidden in the wall :D

[tawny elk]

The roof is cantilevered

[balmy chasm]

And the best part, these beams wil be...

PLASTIC

[ember river]

Lol I kind of like that, less work. Lets sweep that under the rug then

[balmy chasm]

If someone ever ask for explanation

[ember river]

bro playin poly bridge already

[tawny elk]

Thoughts on strip lights on structure like this?

Or tucked?

[ember river]

Hmmm looks cool. A bit scify though, but cool indeed

[tawny elk]

Structure is a bit scifi imo so that's probably why I'm steering towards it

[ember river]

I think the first pic might be better, imo

[tawny elk]

Lemme go look at some more digny dealership lighting and revise

[balmy chasm]

I'd assume using light shapes to visually support that beamy structure would be better idea than placing them onto. But can't tell for sure until scene assembled all together

[soft zinc]

ultra accurate velvet material for ropes when /s

[balmy chasm]

UVs don't agree with you

[soft zinc]

😭

how did they fuck up the uvs on THAT of all things

the rope is a deformed cylinder

[tawny elk]

I tried lighting the structure verically and it just ended up looking a little too bleh

So how do I convert my object into a mesh replacement?

[ember river]

You mean, the lamps you've modeled?

Send them to me and I can append to the beams structures

Maybe you can group them all and export from OV as USD

[ember river]

Wait, this is blender, just send me the .blend file

[tawny elk]

I just want it as a mesh replacement so I can test the theory of adding meshes

[velvet rivet]

not yet; current development is on the UI, he's been at that for a few days straight

would recommend you join the server and ask directly there instead of waiting for an answer here since the focus of this place is RTX Remix and not a semi-unrelated fangame

[ember river]

There is only one lamp, is that right?

[tawny elk]

Yep

[ember river]

Should I include this single lamp on the shop as is or make that long array of lamps like in the pic?

[tawny elk]

I'll have to tweak the array, so I just need the single lamp

[ember river]

I'll have to reposition it in the Xform prim since the mesh itself for some reasons didn't align right

[balmy chasm]

Some world transform baking happened

[tawny elk]

Oh yea it was at an angle in the blend file

[ember river]

It was almost right, just slightly offset

well I didn't add/remove any details, just some loop cuts for beveled edges and most important, better UVs, and I'm noticing now I made them way too dark. Lemme fix real quick
Here is your lamp btw

[tawny elk]

Lamp

What's the RGB for diffuse on the beams?

[ember river]

.5

.8

[tawny elk]

Try .7

.8 seems a bit bright

[ember river]

.7

[balmy chasm]

Grey

[ember river]

Here is all you guys need. Just add the usda file in the mod.usda and be happy
The usda is easy to mess with, it is just the second pic, while the materials you can just open the USD files in OV, make the changes and save

I used this path to place these files

Not necessary though

A revisit to make all this garage scene come together with full mesh replacements will happen in the near future (tm)

[balmy chasm]

You plan to do all replacements to all garages?

[ember river]

Yeah, but in the future, some months to go yet. There is so much to replace in the game yet

[cobalt peak]

Yeah when do you think will NFSU2 look like real life?

I want NFSU2 to be the first photorealistic game using RTX Remix

[ember river]

Well well, many of the things we are relying on to make the game look much much better depends on the runtime being improved by NV to support more custom modded stuff, so we're working with what we've got now, and looking forward for updates

[tawny elk]

Went down a rabbit hole about the whole what color can the albedo be, found this nifty thing https://pyco.gumroad.com/l/pgtool

[balmy chasm]

Sounds a little overshoot for project like this

[cloud crypt]

Well, its by far not a small project anymore

But yeah, its a little overshoot

[tawny elk]

It just makes sure you’re not using values that aren’t physically possible and make things look off.

[balmy chasm]

I see Remix environment not being capable of using such a tool to its full to be honest. Realistically you won't spot the fake color for sure unless you have really accurate light passes which is not achievable with real-time engines. So only obvious mistakes can be spotted

[ember river]

Sad but true. Also, with all the amount if approximations like dlss, denoisers, etc. makes even plausible colors look off, but it is still a good guidance. Better doing what is right, maybe in the future the runtime inproves and our work remains up to date

[tawny elk]

It’s completely capable? This sort of limit applies to any PBR render. It’s just to prevent things from being impossibly bright, or impossibly dark.

[tawny elk]

Even with the large amount of approximation going on, wouldn’t it be better to keep the approximation’s starting points within a realistic range?

[ember river]

Yup, that was my point by "doing what is right" to keep our work up to date. Totally agree 😉

Hey @tawny elk , I'm giving the avenue medians a go now, and I'm collecting some artistic references from LA/Beverly Hills. Do you have anything else you could point me to, specially technical? Or anything really

[tawny elk]

J Utah just drove there a month ago

https://youtu.be/Sn_z1uHmGJ8 I'll grab some time stamps. His color balance is off from the windsheild tho just a heads up.

13:40 - strip from thumbnail

23:20 - generic grass median

27:08 - "fancier" low shurb median

Street you're looking at in your refs is called Rodeo Drive. All the luxury brands have flagship stores there https://www.google.com/maps/@34.070432,-118.4042411,3a,75y,135.08h,94.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSvWpqe3Bmz-lbuzdgVQgfw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

More fitting for Beacon Hills than the downtown imo

[misty pebble]

Currently modding a car in the main menu and for some odd reason the neons are stuck at red, no headlights, and no window tint xD

[balmy chasm]

Default emission color is red

[misty pebble]

ah ok, thank you

[ember river]

My man, thank you vm!
Right at the start there are some refs for the yellow water buckets

[tawny elk]

The ones on the highway?

[ember river]

yup

[tawny elk]

They're filled with sand for the most part now, shape is still the same though. You can still find a ton of references by the trade name "Big Sandy Barrel"

[timid prairie]

that smoothness just gives me a videogame vibe, what in the hell is wrong with me

[ember river]

What is the motivation to change for sand? Isn't sand like, much heavier to dampen any collisions?

[tawny elk]

Water gets really gross if you just let it sit ||it turns to a cloudy black biohazard tbh||. It also freezes.

[ember river]

Yeah, we're so used to watch 24fps videos/movies

[tawny elk]

60fps HDR walking videos are my thing

[ember river]

You seem much like someone who would slap a dash cam on your car and start a YT channel just to drop such raw videos

[tawny elk]

You'd think. I only like watching them in the background. I don't really wanna create that kind of content, much too boring to actually produce.

[ember river]

Well, if I were travelling around with my car frequenctly, I totally would. Every day that passes I feel more inclined to spend some real money on professional CG artist rig, grab references, photoscan everything that "doesn't" moves, and grab references from anything

[tawny elk]

The only thing I've been needing is a color checker and prob better DSLR.

And better refences cause all I got is architecture

[ember river]

All I got is my phone and a gopro for now. Looking for starting with a DSLR

[jade briar]

why

[ember river]

You will have to initialize an empty repository in the folder you want (the game folder I suppose), add [email protected]:Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix.git as remote origin, and checkout to the main branch forcedly. Idk how to do that using the GUI, but in the Git Bash tool you just:

cd "C:\Game-Install-location\"

# Initialize an empty repository in the game folder
git init

# Add NFSU2-RTX-Remix.git repo as the remote origin of this local repo
git remote add origin [email protected]:Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix.git

# Fetch all the most up to date information about the repo
git fetch

# Jump into the main branch with "-f" to ignore game files, so you get the latest stuff from the repo
git checkout main -f

[jade briar]

righ

[cloud crypt]

Seems like remix doesnt it? And the roads and lighting looks way to familiar to me

Because the og game cant handle puddles like that, not even with texmod

[timid prairie]

i think its obvious

[jade briar]

@ember river Water barrel thingys

Screenshot from some racing game

idk I was watching a video

[ember river]

Lol good one

[jade briar]

you know

The ones spotted in the highway

[ember river]

Yeah, those are pretty, and the OG game are like yellow hexagons

[jade briar]

Yeah

A cylinder so low poy that it looks like a hexagon

[open atlas]

"So now I'm rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun"

[chrome meadow]

You can see how the reflection are made with a graphic debugger here #1103377328530276403 message

[soft zinc]

Thank you so much!

I do have a few questions though

Which debugger is this? I've been looking for a proper D3D9 debugger myself Edit: nvm got this one

And this confirms the reflections are planar? The game issues drawcalls for a lower res lower lod car upside down and sticks it on the image?

[soft zinc]

@chrome meadow Got Nsight 5.6. Had a pain and a half trying to scout out VS 2017 to get it to install. It doesn't seem to recognize my 3050. Makes sense, since it was before the 3050's time. Is this a dead end on my laptop then?

Mind not, for he launches

Now, to get the actual debugging working on the other hand...

game launches as normal, nothing more

How did you get the 'ingame' overlay working? I know it's a capture, but all I can get out is a spreadsheet esque listing of api calls

[cobalt peak]

Is NFS Heat Underground 4? (Or 5 if you think Carbon is NFSU3)

[severe solstice]

NFSU6

[jade briar]

Huh

[cobalt peak]

Dang

[timid prairie]

NFSU1
NFSU2
NFSU3 - MW
NFSU4 - Carbon
NFSU5 - 2015
NFSU6 - Heat

[cobalt peak]

I found a reddit claiming NFS Payback is better than NFSU2