NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[severe solstice]

[ember river]

since for raytracing poly count isn't as taxing as in raster, and on the flipside, the cast iron bits uses a single 64x64 5kb .dds texture for normals, keeping memory usage quite low

[alpine wind]

any reason i'm getting around 20FPS?

[jade briar]

Change graphics settings

[alpine wind]

i've messed around with it

I'm using a 4090 0_0

I'm going to go through all the steps again, maybe i've missed a step

[ember river]

Try a lower dlss preset first

[alpine wind]

in the rtx remix settings?

[ember river]

ballanced or performance mode maybe

yup, Alt+X

[alpine wind]

cool, thanks i'll try that out in a bit and report back

[tawny elk]

Set your preset to ultra to gain fps for whatever reason.

Those do lighten up my mood

[alpine wind]

That worked! thanks

[indigo dust]

is it okay if I send these pics to someone for their project?

[alpine wind]

can i use the Redux mod with RTX remix? or am i pushing it?

[sharp sinew]

Don't optimise based on feelings and hunches, Use a profiler and cut back if it says you need to. It's a modern renderer, it doesn't care about polygons.

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[alpine wind]

awesome

is it normal for the cars to look flat?

[safe patrol]

Go for it

[safe patrol]

yes, we haven't found a way to apply new materials to all cars, since every variation of paint job, vinyl, and body part gives the car a new hash. We're working on at least making materials for the stock vehicles, but until we find a better way you have to do it yourself.

[alpine wind]

ahh making sure i didn't miss something thanks

is there a guide on how to do it manually?

[safe patrol]

https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1096847508002590760

[indigo dust]

thank u

[safe patrol]

reinstall and follow the instructions in the pinned message carefully

[ember river]

That is a very good piece of advice, for sure mate. Indeed any optimization should be done with metrics.
On the other hand, "Premature software optimization is the source of all evil" - Michael Jackson
Relying more on polygons than on high res textures comparing to raster is just an educated workflow guide to not let everything blow up drastically.
Atm I'm really focused on fast delivery 🚚 😉
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[jade briar]

This is annoying

[ember river]

Do anyone notice a massive framedrop when arriving at beacon hills through the west bridge all the way up to south jackson heights?

[ember river]

Yeah github notifications can be spammy some times. You can disable or customize them:
https://www.c-sharpcorner.com/article/how-to-disable-email-notifications-on-github/

[sharp sinew]

Yea he's e-mazing alright

[cloud crypt]

You just could have used the alüha release and everything would have worked lol

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, the version we currently work on and the alpha are different. They have different textures and lighting.

[alpine wind]

what was the issue? I have issues where it is too dark or waaay overbright

[jade briar]

Hey @ember river. You happen to have grunge textures similar to this?

Top down leakiness

[alpine wind]

ah, that's the one i'm using

i followed some dude on YT

lol

Where is the proper file?

install via terminal?

does rtxremix have cli?

❤️

[jade briar]

github

[alpine wind]

sweet thanks

[spiral fable]

have any of you tried custom/modded cars ?

[alpine wind]

i have

trying to mesh two mods into rtx lol

it seemed to work, but i'm starting over

[ember river]

Nah, I don't keep them around. When I run out I usually just photobash

[ember river]

I used a bit of those leakiness textures in the city center east tunnel heading to beacon hills

[alpine wind]

i've done goof'd lol

https://tenor.com/view/meme-something-went-wrong-something-went-terribly-wrong-terribly-terribly-wrong-meme-song-gif-26437917

looks like tha tis causing it

when that is changed, it's to dark to play

maybe i've screwed something up

[ember river]

You need to use a new version of dxvk than the released one. Head to the actions tab in dxvk github page and dl the latest green one

[jade briar]

Can you point me towards some resources?

I need that for a texture

[alpine wind]

Bridge or actual dxvk file?

[jade briar]

That's something we have to solve

yea

Just skip them

[ember river]

textures.com has a lot of them with alpha transparency so you can just slap it in your texture and compose the layers at will. I use Krita to make all the textures, if you're using something like Quixel Mixer, substance and so on I can't help much, but should be somewhat the same process

[ember river]

The one you drop inside the .trex folder

[alpine wind]

https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk

That one?

[dusty grove]

#remix-beginners-guide message

[jade briar]

Those areas don't have any custom lighting right now.

[ember river]

Take a look:
https://www.textures.com/search?q=Leak Decal

[jade briar]

hmm

Those are good

[tawny elk]

It’s in the queue(tm)

[alpine wind]

seems to be working great now

if someone wanted to vaildate that lol

very nice

can you take a look at my video and see if it is what is expected?

ah, VLC is your friend

i can post pic

Thanks!

which hud are you using?

ah, very cool

[jade briar]

Imagine not using vlc

VLC is like. An essential.

[jade briar]

eral

[jade briar]

dw about it

[open atlas]

ayyy 32:9 gang

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/arting-siamese-cat-gigachad-ambatukam-ambasing-gif-26293326

[cobalt peak]

RTX Remix skydome support when?

We just need the original skyboxes upscaled, they look great

[jade briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1103377328530276403/1137414150306406470/NFS_Underground_2_05_08_2023_12_57_11.png

[cloud crypt]

It has already a new one, and i like it

waas it created in Blender?

[jade briar]

What

[cloud crypt]

the skydome

[jade briar]

It's an edited hdri

[cloud crypt]

ah ok

looks a bit like this

[rich plank]

Hey legends, is there a trello, or some kind of board where I can see what assets need to be redone? I know a thing or two about texture art and modelling
I would love to contribute

[alpine wind]

^^ this guy scrums

[rich plank]

if a project doesn't have a to do list with 50 PMs filling it constantly I'm not interested

[alpine wind]

lmfao

it would be nice for this project to have something like that tbh

[rich plank]

Yeah, cause I'm reading stuff from time to time, and I'm so lost, but want to help

[alpine wind]

you get promoted to PM now

https://tenor.com/view/dent-you-either-die-a-hero-or-you-live-long-enough-to-see-yourself-become-the-villain-gif-11629344

[rich plank]

..yeah guys what's the status? Uh-huh, thank you, can it be done a little faster?

I'm a senior pm now

[alpine wind]

haha

[rich plank]

Btw can we do replacement of car meshes? I believe it's not that hard to increase the polycount. Can someone dump some geometry for me to test out?

[alpine wind]

you triggered a lost video i love.. lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OnoxKotPQ

[ember river]

Heyo. Yes, we've recently set up a GitHub Projects kanban-like board. Head to the projects tab in our github 😉
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix

[jade briar]

Someone also give him the instructions document for artists

Where is it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zdvHEN4o750BIjtnF2lvZGRUblZWg2AMZcj6RCfBHkM/edit?usp=sharing

@rich plank

[rich plank]

Thank you, reading it rn

[ember river]

We can't replace car materials yet, they have random hashes everytime someone changes a decal, vynil, paint color, etc. But if you don't assign materials to the replacement meshes in OV they'll inherit the original material from the game, so it should be a matter of UV unwrapping the new meshes on the same position as the original ones

[rich plank]

Hm, do you have a dump of any geometry to test out UV transfer?

I think I can try to make this work

[jade briar]

You can dump it yourself

[rich plank]

Yeah, but I'm currently cloning git repo, maybe someone have it on hand

[jade briar]

Files are really big

More than 500 megs

Unless you want a singular model

[rich plank]

Yeah, like maybe someone was tinkering with it already. If not its ok, I'll do it myself

[ember river]

Don't think anyone would have it ready to copy, but it is not that difficult. Meshes are stored in rtx-remix/captures/meshes/ folder when you hit "Capture frame in USD" in remix overlay menu. So, just capture a frame with your car and open it in OV. You probably wanna use blender from the omniverse launcher which is built specially to deal with USD files. Anyway, just follow Mark's guide to mesh replacements pinned in #1096847508002590760 and you should be good to go

[delicate jolt]

My car headlights do not have lights, how can I solve this?

[rich plank]

Gotcha, btw which version of the game is best to run?

[ember river]

The latest patch afaik, 1.2

[ember river]

That is right. Cars don't have headlights in version 0.2.0-alpha of the mod

[rich plank]

Pirated? It's not on gog as far as I know

[jade briar]

Whatever floats your boat

[delicate jolt]

I understand. I thought I installed it wrong ksks, thanks.

[jade briar]

Just don't talk about it

[ember river]

That is one way to put it

[rich plank]

Of course, who would do such a despicable act

[jade briar]

Not me

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-wink-wink-winking-rowan-atkinson-gif-15388297

[rich plank]

Me neither

[ember cobalt]

hmmmmmm

[jade briar]

Nothing to worry about. Just talking about modding 🫡

[rich plank]

Yep officer, all clear

[rich plank]

@ember river Christ almighty am I doing something wrong or original UVs are kinda fucked up?
They are laid out nicely, but displaying incredibly weirdly

[ember river]

Welcome. The excessive exposition to cursed UVs radiation is part of your onboarding process working in this game

Stick to the bright garages for now. They need some adjustments, that is ok. Someone will work on it soon

[tawny elk]

Do you have the RTX conf from the defaults folder?

[rich plank]

So what is the pipeline of testing if UVs are accurate then?

[tawny elk]

I think you got it right then

[ember river]

Hmmm none? If we model something new, we just make decent UVs for them. The game's originals we pretty much ignore until someone come and replace them with high poly models

[rich plank]

But I mean in relation to the decals. I want to increase polycount on car models, and smooth them out, and resulting UVs look seemingly alright, but I suppose we need to try it out ingame

[tawny elk]

If you redo the car model, you’ll just make it have a new material and apply your decals to the texture itself.

[ember river]

Oh I see. Nobody has done mesh replacements on cars yet, feel free to find some workflows and propose ideas

[tawny elk]

I don’t know what is causing so much problems with lighting. Sorry mate

[ember river]

Better not defining a new material, just let the runtime assign the game's original material to it, otherwise it will lose all car customizations

The lighting issue is also happening on our end, is supposed to be like that, don't worry. Is something we're gonna fix soon, just ignore the garages for now

[tawny elk]

You can try setting up my repo but it’s quite bleeding edge. Has more lighting complete tho.

Great question. Won’t have the answer till tomorrow night, maybe. Involves lots of bits and pieces to be modified.

[ember river]

Oh, thinking better about that, I have a tip:
Find the original textures the car was using in the capture and copy them to you blender/maya/whatever project location and assign them to the mesh

[tawny elk]

Oh if you put E-Mans repo in a folder called “Extmods” (The name of the folder is in the mod usda on mine), I think it’ll work.

[rich plank]

Why didn't I think about that? Thanks man, I'll try it out

[blazing bone]

@tawny elk is the car hashes unstable?

[balmy chasm]

What do you mean? LODs?

[blazing bone]

Can we replace the car model with higher quality ones?

[balmy chasm]

I believe yes. Traffic one is the easiest way to go because you don't need to handle dynamic texture thing. Player cars are bound to be flat shaded, so I'm not sure you'd like to work on that until we figure out the way to make such shaders work on replacement

[ember river]

I just wont say 100% sure because I haven't tested myself, but I don't see why this approach wouldn't work
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[ember river]

The cars materials are. I've made an issue that should solve this problem, but until then, materials replacements is a no no for us
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/215

[alpine wind]

I made a copy of mine

After it was 100% working so if I screwed something up, delete, copy, paste

[balmy chasm]

even though is is severally overlit, most likely because of higher emission and sky brightness values

[timid prairie]

but still beter than early

[safe patrol]

I'd definitely agree that any attempts for new car models right now should be focused on AI traffic vehicles. Maybe we should go through and figure out what each of the traffic cars is meant to be so we have some real world target to shoot for for each of them?

[balmy chasm]

Some default van, taxi and most popular cars on the road in 2000s :D

[tawny elk]

Chevy express, caprice taxi and not sure on the other ones.

[ember river]

In Brazil we have something called the FIPE table, which is a curated data on almost all vehicles available in the country. It has standardized prices for vehicles per brand, model, year, month and so on
https://veiculos.fipe.org.br/

Probably in US there might be something similar that could be used

[jade kayak]

Here's a big brain idea: replace every single world and AI car texture but don't replace drivable car textures, then just make the legacy materials glossy

[ember river]

Making the legacy materials glossy is the tricky bit, the reason why I created that issue on remix page that I posted earlier today. Without having it implemented, we can't make them glossy without:
1 - losing the customizations for car paint, decals, vynils
2 - Or making every material in the game glossy, including buildings, etc

[jade kayak]

What I mean is using the Legacy Material Defaults settings for unmodified textures and PBR Material Modifiers for everything else. First one doesn't affect the PBR textures, right? And since ideally everything except cars would be PBR at some point, that setting wouldn't affect anything except cars

[tawny elk]

Interesting idea

[jade briar]

That's.... Sub optimal.

[severe solstice]

[ember river]

Hmmm that is interesting indeed. Lemme try

[ember river]

Well yeah still doesn't work. I was referring to those settings on my second point. The thing is, for this to work, we have to make replacements for every single texture in the game just to set their roughness to 1 if we don't want them to be shiny. Otherwise everything else becomes a soaked 2018 graphics mod

[tawny elk]

We don’t have a proper hdri support for the skybox afaik so it’s a bit tricky.

Pop into the usda and edit it

Or record a video and adjust things in post

Like they likely did

Many ways to proceed

but which is the correct path?

[slender zodiac]

Oh asset dumper shader...

[jade briar]

Anyone hungry?

[alpine wind]

Ive gotten around 10 hours in so far on this

And ill keep playing it from scratch as updates roll out

[balmy chasm]

Omg, is it UFO?
it is some mix of lobby and carrier garage somehow

[dusty grove]

e-man can u make optional wet roads.usda? new roads look nice but personally i'm more wet roads enjoyer. (moreover in original game all roads are wet anyway)

[balmy chasm]

Good we're not making the original game 👍

[dusty grove]

btw sidewalk are not applied everywhere

[dusty grove]

U can clearly see that by colors, remix is all yellow lights, original game is green lights

[balmy chasm]

I'm afraid that's the part of road lights which is instanced all over the map. This way it is just impossible to use different color in this area

[dusty grove]

there is missing buildings everywhere, they where upsent before but i dont really remember whole street disappears...

[balmy chasm]

You just broke your instance

[dusty grove]

nope thats from github, no changes

[balmy chasm]

Restart. If doesn't work - reisntall game

[dusty grove]

Looks like 01_buildings.usda causing building to disappear

[balmy chasm]

01_buildings is responsible for lights solely

[thorny pawn]

possibly a missing preserveOriginalDrawcall property

[tawny elk]

I think I have that fixed in my repo

[ember river]

I'm still trying to get my regular asphalts approved

[ember river]

I think those specifically are another more dirty textures for unmaintained areas of the city

[tawny elk]

If you're not interested in keeping both repo's in sync, it's pretty easy. My repo acts as a mod ontop of e-man's repo

Now keeping both in sync, that's when you gotta start using symlinks and such

Go on my repo and get the garage usda file and place it in the right spot and see if that does it for ya.

https://github.com/adamplayer/Underground2RTX/tree/main/rtx-remix/mods/gameReadyAssets/01_lights/01_buildings/16_garages

[jade briar]

[severe solstice]

[tawny elk]

[blazing bone]

[hardy maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083142258347491339.webp?size=48&name=Prayge&quality=lossless

[spiral fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083142258347491339.webp?size=48&name=Prayge&quality=lossless

[snow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/alla-hu-akbar-gif-20099105

[tawny elk]

Which garage do you want to have updated?

You can replace each garage individually in their folder

I believe there are more lights to that scene. Not sure where they are though

Ah they're in the global usda

https://github.com/adamplayer/Underground2RTX/blob/73baa67e751f613720d7e7df6f552661fbc45bed/rtx-remix/mods/gameReadyAssets/01_lights/05_global/0105_Global.usda#L146

[dusty grove]

Thats obvious that u install adam lights wrong, files and adamlights.usda just simple replase, than mod.usda shoud be renamed to whatever u whant for example adam2.usda, than put in same place as adamlights.usda
Than u open mod.usda (that one that u didn't touch - from repo) u will see layers, u just need to add one more layer @./adam2.usda.....

[balmy chasm]

If you're going deeper into the Remix modding, you might want to finally learn all the workflow including usage of OV and other stuff

[cloud crypt]

UE5 remake going nuts

[jade briar]

Looks a lot better than ours

[cloud crypt]

Just because of car materials🤣

[jade briar]

yes

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/police-coco-jaw-drop-skeleton-shocked-gif-15485742

[ember river]

Their project is fantastic. I'm also really looking forward for it. But we're also slowly catching up steam guys. Trust the process. Of course we won't be able to implement better UI and gameplay features as easily as them without full access to the code, but as remix evolves, some key features are implemented and we cover more and more of the game with better replacements, ours will also become an amazing showcase

[jade briar]

Waiting for mark to fix unstable motion vectors

[twin egret]

Would EA be the type of company to shut down a fan project on a game they no longer make money from?

[thorny pawn]

is that a rhetorical question?

[twin egret]

Probably haha

I just wondered if, surprisingly, EA was not like that

[tawny elk]

Guess there’s only one way to find out

[tawny elk]

We also will never have shader complier stutters 👀

[bright hedge]

because its a remake 💀

[jade briar]

Thx, but I think I was able to figure that part out.

[bright hedge]

np

[soft zinc]

Following in from #offtopic-game-discussion

how are people working on UG2 dealing with the textures? A lot of them feature HEAVY usage of lightmapping which I can't assume plays well with RTX Remix completely reworking lighting

I've also heard the latest 'release' removed frustrum culling? Is this so that offscreen geometry can show up in raytraced reflections?

[tawny elk]

There’s no light mapping. It’s done with vertex painting.

[tawny elk]

Yea up to a certain distance behind the car. I have yet to look into increasing that distance.

[soft zinc]

😳

So buildings with 'lights' on them just use vertex colors?

[tawny elk]

Yea pretty much.

If you disable materials in remix you can see it for yourself

[soft zinc]

From what I understand of vertex colors, the final 'color' of the tri as a whole is achieved by interoplating a tri's vertex colors at each pixel making up the tri

Wouldn't this mean that the meshes would have to be slightly high-poly to get the smooth 'lighting' they have in the game?

At that point, why not just use lightmaps and save the trouble of high poly meshes?

[tawny elk]

At a basic level I believe that’s correct. I don’t know the exact implementation for this though.

[tawny elk]

No you just use a fine interpolation for the shading. No need to add more vertices.

[soft zinc]

affine interpolation?

[tawny elk]

I don’t think the engine had support for light maps at all. There are no layering of textures off the top of my head.

[soft zinc]

So in essence, paint the verts and have the interpolation algo smooth it out when shading the tri?

[tawny elk]

It’s probably using this since we can switch shading modes easily in the original game. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3d9/triangle-interpolation

[soft zinc]

I see

[soft zinc]

About this

are you using a graphics debugger by any chance to dig into the game?

[tawny elk]

No, there’s not really any x86 dx9 graphics debuggers left.

[soft zinc]

Couldn't an old one be fished out and used?

[tawny elk]

Not really.

[soft zinc]

I've had trouble finiding directx9 debuggers myself. Closest was Intel's GPA

[tawny elk]

They often sucked and required to be injected into the source code.

[tawny elk]

Which doesn’t do 32 bit applications from what I remember

[soft zinc]

I did get it to work with UG2 months back

Although all it could do was capture frames

nothing more

I can't get it working anymore with ug2 on my new system though

[tawny elk]

You can install a very old version of nsight and use that

Or just do apitraces

or reverse engineer the game

[soft zinc]

💀

[tawny elk]

There’s symbols available so it’s not bad at all

[soft zinc]

I am unfortunately horrific at low-level programming at the moment so they can only go so far 💀

[soft zinc]

so if not a graphics debugger, what do you use?

[tawny elk]

See #1103377328530276403 message

[soft zinc]

I'd assumed that at first, but it had to be very tedious right?

[tawny elk]

For a little bit yea, the more reading and research you do about how things are typically programmed the easier it gets.

Also the debugging symbols have been ported from the gc build by the people behind nfsunlimter so that helps a ton

[soft zinc]

I see, I see

[tawny elk]

The engine is a pretty simple C++ one, if you understand that then you can see the patterns.

[soft zinc]

But isn't the disassembled version of the game all in assembly though (or heavily obfuscated if not in asm, last I saw of a person working on it [Velocity])? Even if I do have a hang of CPP works, this would necessitate knowing asm too right?

Also, you'd mentioned UG2 couldnt do texture layering right?

How do Vinyl groups in the game allow you to place multiple textures on the same portion of the car then? Are they all separate decals?

[tawny elk]

Sure is, but it can be translated to pseudo C. It’s not obfuscated at all, no weird tricks as far as I know.

[tawny elk]

Bakes them into a texture any time it changes. I believe internally it has some handling of layers but the final texture does not.

[surreal ruin]

Yeah each decal is basically a projector during editing

And when confirmed it's all baked into a texutre at runtime

[tawny elk]

I think that’s the only time there’s any sort of “layering” going on in the game ngl.

[surreal ruin]

Definitely, yes

[tawny elk]

Who’s velocity? The Binary/hypercooled editor folks?

[soft zinc]

I see, I see

[soft zinc]

My memory fails me, but they were someone working on their own launcher for Ug2?

Velocity was the name of the project, sorry

[soft zinc]

I see

Which disassembler do you use if you don't mind me asking?

Wait, while we are that, I'd always had this one question regarding the lighting system in UG2. Never could find the answer, and am curious as to how it works with RTX Remix now

From what I understood, UG2 uses vertex colors for 'baked lighting' on meshes.

Street lights 'casting' lights on roads use the same method right? What about car headlights themselves? Are they dynamic light sources?

[tawny elk]

Ida and ghidra

[tawny elk]

Street lights are baked. Headlights are a texture floating above the ground I believe.

[tawny elk]

The drop shadows from vehicles are just a texture as well.

[tawny elk]

I think on higher graphics settings they become factored into the shader tho

[soft zinc]

I did notice a texture when I was using Intel GPA that resembled the shape the lights cast on flat ground, but I've also noticed they actively cast light on objects in front of them

Curiously enough, using the debug cam view, I've seen that car headlights can sometimes 'ignore' objects in front of them, casting them over to what is behind them

I am assuming they project the texture onto the objects then?

wait, let me try to get a pic

I've seen them phase through static world objects too

[tawny elk]

Are you on high graphics settings?

[tawny elk]

Game has no back face culling unless there’s a “culling” texture put into place

[soft zinc]

Yeah

[soft zinc]

Sorry, didn't get you. How does backface culling affect this exactly?

[tawny elk]

I'm not the most familar with the higher graphics settings tbh. I'd imagine it takes the light source into account in the shading.

[tawny elk]

I thought you meant that it was showing a texture passing through another one

[soft zinc]

I am not sure if it's a texture or a light source like you've mentioned myself

If it IS a texture, why would the lack of backface culling allow it to 'pass' through the van? If any, wont the opposite happen, since it would end up lighting the van's backface instead?

[tawny elk]

It's probably both if I had to guess

[tawny elk]

Only one way to find out, you can likely see how it works with your intel gpa

[soft zinc]

Like I'd mentioned, I can't quite get GPA working with UG2 anymore 💀

I also forget to mention that I know next to nothing about reading a graphics debugger 💀 At the time, I only knew to inspect textures and the various 'passes' the frame would go through before being completed

Guess I'll learn up on how they work soon

[tawny elk]

Can use apitrace, that works on pretty much everything

At the cost of not being as user friendly.

[jade briar]

Adam fix the crouds

crowds

idk

how spell

ceouds

shit

[soft zinc]

Also, the vertex limit, does the project plan to break past the 64k vertex limit soon?

[tawny elk]

Mesh replacements

Unlimited vertices

[soft zinc]

:O haw

isnt the vert limit hardcoded into the engine

[jade briar]

Apparently remix is very good with crazy amounts of geo

[tawny elk]

Path and ray tracing in general don't really mind tons of geometry

[jade briar]

No the game doesn't have to do with mesh replacements. REmix does it on the fly

[soft zinc]

Yo, that's insane!!!

[jade briar]

The game thinks it's running normally

MY man is figuring remix out for the first time

[soft zinc]

Last I messed around with it was months back

[tawny elk]

Things have changed a bit

[soft zinc]

I knew that it somehow injected itself into the rendering pipeline back then

not more

[soft zinc]

I see

well, time to put my 50W 3050 mobile gpu to the test and see if it can run this

Funnily enough, my home pc that had a 1660s and a 3500x, stronger on paper than my laptop, would CONSTANTLY drop frames to the low 20s in stock UG2

[tawny elk]

||Set your expectations low as your fps for that card||

[soft zinc]

uh oh :(

Will performance improve with time ?

[jade briar]

The game runs like 20 fps on 4090

1440p

[soft zinc]

holy fuck 💀

[tawny elk]

||He doesn't use DLSS for context||

[ember cobalt]

i get 25 FPS 1440p in Portal RTX on a 3090 though. your 4090 experience is definitely borked from everything you've said

[soft zinc]

I can't imagine DLSS would even let my card get near 1080p 30 tho 💀

I wonder how the 2050 would fare

also yes, that's a real card

[tawny elk]

Very very poorly

[soft zinc]

a dumpster fire one showed into budget gaming laptops

[soft zinc]

rip

[ember cobalt]

with performance DLSS it might be doable, maybe ultra performance

with Low

if you have Portal, see how that goes

https://store.steampowered.com/app/400/Portal/

it's $1 right now

[soft zinc]

Where do majority of the performance issues come from though? The act of tracing out the rays themselves? Overhead from RTX Remix acting as a middle man to the rendering pipeline causing slowdowns?

[jade briar]

rt

[soft zinc]

Thanks for the headsup!

[tawny elk]

Path Tracing

[soft zinc]

I see

I take it the performane won't improve with time then oof

well, I shall try it out regardless

For science

[ember cobalt]

try Medium + DLSS Performance first

[spark moon]

U live in the riders house

[soft zinc]

I suppose I have broken something when installing the mod 💀

Though path tracing doesn't seem to be in action here, I can't quite tell what's causing the FPS drops then

lemme try a reinstall

[ember river]

Did you install the latest stuff by cloning the github repo or used the 0.2.0 release zip?

[soft zinc]

ladies and gentlemen

we have 30 fps

on the main menu 💀

Gameplay is at 12 fps (Medium + DLSS performance)

more than I expected tbf

I haven't downloaded the custom tex yet, I am assuming the blood red sky is due to that?

and not due to my RX7 being transported to the lair of L̸̪͌O̷̔̌R̶͒͛D̶́̚ ̴̀͆B̵͌̚A̴͊RGLURGA͌A̸̎́Â̶̒G̴͛͛B̸ THE Ů̷͐N̶̈́̀F̸̓̄ORGIVING?

:P

[jade briar]

You've been transported to mark's lair

[ember river]

Not, it is alright. You've been consuming too much devilish dark memes enough for a lifetime

[soft zinc]

wait nvm, seems like there weren't any custom texs to download

couldnt make out the new texs were there due to how blood red everything was 💀

I'm getting highs of 21 fps

this...is not bad performancce wise

[ember river]

lol it is just DXVK version. The latest release doesn't support an very specific thing about mesh replacements so our sky sphere is on it's month period

You have to dl the latest builds instead, in github actions page

[soft zinc]

I thought I did that

[ember river]

Like this one?
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/5799778643

[soft zinc]

wait, the sky is replaced with a sphere? What did the og version use? A simple cubemap?

[ember river]

Unspeakable

[soft zinc]

whoops seems like I was using an older one

[soft zinc]

Uh 💀 wdu mean?

[soft zinc]

I am also curious as to how you guys figured this out, seems VERY esoteric of an issue to snuff out

[ember river]

It boils down to unmark the game's skybox textures as "sky textures" so they will render just as regular static meshes, so we can replace them with an properly uv unwrapped sphere to support HDR/EXR maps. I edited a skybox texture from Poly Heaven in Krita (yeah surprisingly it supports HDR image editting) and slapped in it as an emissive texture. It very suboptimal, there is visible framedrop from this approach but well, it works

[tawny elk]

I consulted many kittens to figure this out.

[ember river]

Was a very pleasant experiment indeed. A thread full o cat pics sharing elderly wisdom

[tawny elk]

All the kittens got adopted by the way

[ember river]

special props to @tawny elk and @sharp sinew for helping in the discovery

[ember river]

Oh boy. That is wholesome, well deserved

[soft zinc]

Wait, so stock UG2 uses regular cubemap textures for the skybox then?

Also, I decided to set the material colors to white. Are the walls normal mapped there? I thought the engine didn't have normal mapping

[jade briar]

Nah it's something even worse

@tawny elk. Whip out the UV screenshots

[soft zinc]

Uhhhh 💀

[tawny elk]

#general-remix message

They had a 'unique' interperation of how to use UVs

#1103377328530276403 message #1103377328530276403 message
#1103377328530276403 message

[tawny elk]

The normals are from remix

[tawny elk]

No cubemaps. Just the whole world in LOD form underneath the map. Much easier right?

[soft zinc]

I am kinda lost here. What's wrong with them exactly apart from sorta warped UVs? That is the skybox mesh from og ug2 just to be clear right?

[soft zinc]

You're referring to the way the game handles road reflections right?

[tawny elk]

Sorta warped UVs
Now I don't know about you but I prefer my UVs to not be warped at all.
That is the original skybox mesh ya

[soft zinc]

💀 that's fair

[soft zinc]

as in remix INJECTS normals into meshes on the fly?

holy f

[soft zinc]

Also regarding this, wouldn't this have necessitated the roads being translucen tto view the reflections? Why didn't this kill performances on systems at the time?

Or was some form of alpha sorting done on the roads?

[ember river]

Time for some hedge fences

[jade briar]

Bro had to touch grass for us

Respect

[tawny elk]

Sure did. Roads are nearly transparent

[sharp sinew]

Oh nice one! We photoscaning now

Looks like a cracking set up as well

[ember river]

Remix injects full PBR rendering in a raytracing compatible way. It intercepts most of directx calls and redirects them to a 64bit process that implements a fully fledged raytracing engine. It only needs original assets to capture and perform some realtime hashing to uniquely identify the asset and replace them with what we add to the game. This give us a lot of freedom

[soft zinc]

So why didn't they opt for any other method at the time? Were cubemaps (which were used already for car reflections) unfeasible at the time?

What about SSR? You wouldn't have needed to run it at a particularly high res right?

[tawny elk]

SSR was a long ways away

[jade briar]

SSR wouldn't be a thing back then

[soft zinc]

as in performance wise or from people figuring it out?

[tawny elk]

That was a typical way to do reflections. Super common at the time.

[jade briar]

Not useable due to huge performance impact on the hardware at the time

Also adam

There's nothing under the map

U bozo

It's planar reflections

[tawny elk]

Cutting edge

[ember river]

My mom is a seamstress and my gf had a ring light hanging around so I just grabbed a couple stuff and set them up

[soft zinc]

so among cubemaps, ssr, and smack-half-the-map-as-low-lods-under-translucent-roads, the latter was the most performant at the time?

[soft zinc]

So in essence, all the game's og rendering engine does is to hand over its assets to Remix's engine thinking it's getting rendered by the GPU?

[ember river]

Yup, by means of the modifyed d3d9.dll that the .exe "imports" thinking to be regular dx9 api functions. Lil does it knows...

[ember cobalt]

remix intercepts the calls from the game's renderer basically, and replaces it with its own that does path tracing

[soft zinc]

That's genius haha

Oh, and forgot to mention, I get a stable 21-25 on my 3050. I fiddled with some setting earlier from the looks of it by mistake, Medium Preset + turning on volumetric + high quality denoisers gets me 21-25 even in the city

Funnily, my 1660s could barely hold that in stock UG2 when riding through the city 💀

[severe solstice]

💀

[jade briar]

It depends on the game. Underground two did NOT put half the map undersimply because the map is very big, and the performance impact would be huge. They use planar reflections. You can see it when you play the game normally with road reflections turned all the way up, the reflections are lower in resolution, and the reflections don't quite allign with the road.

[ember river]

Since kid I used to use the "reflections" of incoming traffic headlights behind a bump to predict and avoid jumping straight in the face of a taxi cab

[jade briar]

Smart

When I played the game first, my GPU straight up didn't support shaders, so the game would run in FF mode

So no road reflections.

[soft zinc]

From what I read on planar reflections, they work on planar surfaces (hence the name). But UG2 roads aren't ENTIRELY planar right?

Or do the differences in elevation not matter enough to make much of a diff?

[jade briar]

Hence the reflections not always lining up properly.

[soft zinc]

I see, I see

[soft zinc]

I'd personally played it for the first time on my ps2... in the year 2011

I recall the game having road reflections though? the ps2 didnt have shaders per se right?

[cloud crypt]

The PS2 version of underground 2 used ps 1.2

pixelshader 1.2, but they kept them as minimal as possible, for examples Windows didnt had shaders and reflections were tweaked down extremely

[soft zinc]

I see

[jade briar]

He sees

[cloud crypt]

XD

[soft zinc]

👁️ 🌊

On that note

To everyone who's worked on this project and to everyone who's helped me today, thank you so so much!!! This was realllly enlightening, and to plop back into the game with path traced environments running on my laptop is insannnneee!!!

Oddly enough, the 25 fps doesn't seem unplayable. I'm surprised, given I'm an fps snob who usually finds sub 40 hard to play with

It's actually perfectly fine holy

[ember river]

The nostalgic visit in rt experience makes up for the low fps

[soft zinc]

XD

no but fr though, is the nvidia reflex thing doing its magic here?

Oh, and one last question before I sign off for the night

How exactly do I patch in the fancier car materials ?

[jade briar]

Games back then we're kinda tuned to be playable at lower framerates. Because the PS2 etc were not very powerful

They still are, to some extent

[ember river]

Since the game composes a new texture for each combination of vynil, decal, paint color, etc., we can't replace the car materials atm, only for a specific setup you have, which goes away once you decide to change something in your car. There is an issue explaining it a bit and proposing a solution to that. Until then, best we can do is make good materials for stock unmodified cars and traffic ones
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/215

[jade briar]

One day. When Nvidia gives us 3 lightspeed artists to help. We shall remodel every car.

Or maybe I win the lottery and commission modellers to do it

Both of those things are highly unlikely. But it's nice to dream.

[tawny elk]

I still purpose locking the mat hash for each vehicle and having decals and such applied outside the game

Could make a simple 3d editor or something

[soft zinc]

I'm fine with not customizing it

Reading into the GH issue

"Replacing the mesh's material with a new one, even if is just a roughness overwrite in the USD, also implicitly set the diffuse attribute to null."

Why exactly does changing a material parameter set the diffuse to null?

Materials are made to be edited as and when we want them right?

[soft zinc]

I'm not a particularly good modeler but I'd love to chip in with modeling world assets!

[soft zinc]

also as a side-note, since we are capable of implementing normal maps here, how far off are normal mapped roads

I take it its procedural nature is going to be a pain and a half to implement both efficiently and realistically

I also wonder how far off POMs are for building interiors, ala Forza Horizon or Spiderman

Also, really sorry to bother you all with another question but 😅

This is how the game appears as it starts

Move to the left and the light source present there lights up your scene. Move back into your original spot and the light's influence continues

Is this a bug? I'd assumed the light didn't influence the first screenshot due to the light being culled or not being loaded. I'd thought that once it was loaded and viewed for the first time, it persists even if you make back to the same spot

Is my guess right here or is it something else at play causing this issue?

[balmy chasm]

That's how light-anti-culling works. It will emit light from culled referenced geo for the set time in config. You can just press B to load lights on the back when somewhere in the dark place

[dusty grove]

Shouldn't be like that, game has strong culling, so lights disappear off camera. The guys made custom light sources wich aren't affected by culling. So if you install everything right it should not be a problem, but u have a problem.
So you install it wrong:
You did download files from github? If yes looks like you don't have all files, try to download it again
OR download and install AdamPlayer lights separately > https://github.com/adamplayer/Underground2RTX

From gamereadyassets u take all files but not mod.usda, just copy with replace, than rename that mod.usda that you didn't copy, to smth like adam2.usda and only than move it into game files. After that you need to mention that adam2.usda in main mod file "mod.usda"
So open mod.usda you will see subLayers = [ .....
So as any other files you see you just add another line @./adam2.usda,
Thats it you have lights!

[soft zinc]

I see, I see

[soft zinc]

Got it, thanks for all the help btw!

Also, I've noticed the rear view mirror renders everything standardly, no tracing or updated materials. How exactly is this done? If EVERYTHING is passed to remix's renderer, how do rear view mirrors get away with rendering things as they look in the original game?

[dusty grove]

Remix recognise rearview mirror as User Interface, so thats why rays not been traced there, you can disable it in nfsu2/scripts/widescreenfix.

[thorny pawn]

wait how does sky lighting work then? just through the emissive?

i hope we get proper HDRI support at some point so we can just mark the skybox as Ignore Texture, that should fix the performance stuff, because i imagine having a giant emissive skybox/sphere will cause a LOT more calculations with the rays having to travel a huge distance/multiple extra iterations

[soft zinc]

Since remix intercepts Api calls, how exactly are the mirrors rendered within the original engine?

Remix passes back the drawing commands for the rear view mirror back to the original engine to pull this off?

[soft zinc]

30 fps on my 3050 on the cards (no pun intended) ? 😳😳😳

[dusty grove]

Remix, and path tracing overall doesn't care how many lights been calculated, remember that rays are tracing from player camera, not from light sources, the only thing that can draw more resources is denoisers, for example denoisers "like" more super reflective/matte surface, but not in between, because in between there is a lot to denoise.

[thorny pawn]

That's true, however there is an optimization for sky rendering if i'm not mistaken, which does improve performance if used

Something along the lines of "if this ray isn't going to hit anything else in x radius just assume it's going into the sky" i don't have the rtx remix source in front of me but thats what i remember seeing 😄

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/7a8fe10a05d7480f65e627c8b878bb3ffa233189/src/dxvk/shaders/rtx/algorithm/integrator_indirect.slangh#L282

This is the line where they apply the emission from the "skydome", we basically never get there because we have a custom skybox

How they exactly calculate a ray miss i'm not sure, thats where we get into restir and stuff like that i believe

[dusty grove]

Just tried that in nfsu2, disabled sky - no difference, disabling emissive also does 0 effect on fps, so no that is not affecting performance. Maybe if get very specific scenario with simple no pbr textures and only one light source - enabling additional emissive light would increase load on denoiser as effect make fps lower, but i don't think that is good representation of real rtx remix use with ton of lights and hq materials.

[thorny pawn]

also no effect on amount of noise?

then it's fine i guess, but would still be cool if we get HDRI support

[swift palm]

hey guys, who can help me, my ug2 crash immediately when boot up and my d3d9.log tell me:[20:31:16.752] err: The server process has unexpectedly exited, shutting bridge down until next game relaunch!
[20:31:16.864] err: Timeout. Connection not established to server.
[20:31:16.864] err: Are you sure the server was invoked by this application and is running?

[tawny elk]

It’s a second camera that renders to a texture.

[soft zinc]

And this camera doesnt pass over anything to Remix's rendering engine if I am getting this right?

[tawny elk]

If you just put the entire eman repo into a folder called ‘ExtMod’ you can just use my repo without having to rename anything.

[soft zinc]

Got it

that's interesting

Wait, this might sound stupid but given I'd only played around with this yest

[tawny elk]

Nope just a plain old texture

[soft zinc]

Can this be triggered on the fly then?

Could I, say, switch my main camera view to the og rendering engine on the fly?

[tawny elk]

You can disable the path tracer in the debug builds

[soft zinc]

I see, I see

Also, how would I place custom light sources on my own within the map?

Also, are the flat shading on the stacks here supposed to be normal?

[tawny elk]

Gotta use OV.

[tawny elk]

I can’t tell what’s going on in this image it’s so dark.

Do you mean the red obstruction lights on top of storage silos?

[soft zinc]

OV?

[soft zinc]

I'm referring to the silos themselves. They're very faceted, so I'd thought they were flat-shaded

[tawny elk]

Omniverse

[tawny elk]

No PBR textures and low poly curves does that, there’s nothing in remix besides path tracing so no flat shading possible.

[tawny elk]

Oh there’s cooling towers there

[soft zinc]

But if the mesh itself is smoothshaded, shouldn't interpolation of the vertex normals in smooth shading be enough to shade it smoothly without faceting?

[tawny elk]

There’s definitely something funky going on with the cooling towers. I’d be curious to see what the uvs and vertex colors are.

You can view uvs in the texture coordinates debug view by the way

[balmy chasm]

@soft zinc ^

[tawny elk]

Time to get my obstruction lighting going 👀

[soft zinc]

Got it, thank you!

Also unrelated question, but, I'd used Remix's "texture viewer" to view the textures within the game scene when playing UG2. Noticed several textures, such as icons and the EA logo viewed when loading the game, were using this 'BC2' texture format. Piqued my interest so I'd look up what it was

Given NONE of these textures need any alpha data other than max or 0 alpha, why exactly was BC2 used over BC1?

[ember river]

I'm not sure if the extracted texture via capture ends up being the same format as the original ones that the game sends. Remix will capture the data being sent to the GPU by intercepting api calls, but I wouldn't be surprised if the textures aren't the most optimized format. That would be the least of the problems this game have

[soft zinc]

But if Remix captures the data as-is, how does it change formats entirely?

Also, your last statement left me curious. What glaring issues are there in the game?

Other than the wonky skybox uv I'd learnt about yesterday

or the lack of texture layering

[tawny elk]

No backface culling, bunch of weird culling going on because of that. UVs and texture stretching are quite bad in some/most areas.

The lack of back face culling means that the game had to be really careful about geometry.

But then some scenes/areas have loads of geometry for whatever reason.

[ember river]

I'm not as experient with DX as with OpenGL. in ogl it is common to just read the pixels of the image as a large float array and feed to the GPU in a buffer. DDS has some specialties regarding how it compresses stuff and decompresses on CPU or GPU side which I'm not very familiar with (out of lazyness)

I wouldn't be surprised if the original format is lost during a cpu decompression by the game and remix has to do an educated guess of what the intended format was supposed to be when capturing the texture

[ember cobalt]

since it's possible to match hashes of textures pulled right from game files with what Remix exports, it definitely isn't recompressing anything

[soft zinc]

I see

[soft zinc]

Couldn't this potentially lead to a scenario where Remix gets its guess wrong, leading to garbled textures after it attempts to use the wrong format for it?

[tawny elk]

If the game uses a format that has more capabilities than needed I don’t think anything would break. Remix doesn’t guess the format, the texture gets loaded into the GPU memory and remix reads it there.

I believe when it’s loaded into the Gpu memory, the format is specified.

[soft zinc]

I see

[opal olive]

hi guys i saw this mod on youtube but have no idea how to download it can someone help 🫠

[misty pebble]

well this is uh.... yea

Things were going ok until this happened

[dusty grove]

You download it wrong!
Bro you download old version from realeses page on github, or you log in into github, install github desktop, and than download actual version of the mod.

[misty pebble]

Um, I follow the video?? Could be wrong but I followed the steps that it provided

[dusty grove]

Idk what video you talking about
Here it is 2 mounth old version of mod https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/releases
Just put it in the game
Or do what i sad in previous comment

[misty pebble]

That's where I got it from. The 2.0 version

I'm running the current one

I did swap my GPU from my 3070 to my 2060 due to PSU issues

[dusty grove]

Remix, brige, dxvk, are all latest stuff right?
#remix-beginners-guide message

[misty pebble]

Yep, it is

[dusty grove]

Ok so smth wrong with config
Anyway go download latest version from github.
Install github desktop > download mod through github desktop (it will be over 2gb), delete old files put new one

[misty pebble]

Aight, I'll do that tomorrow

Pc is shut off for the night

[cobalt peak]

Who is this because I look like him

[cobalt peak]

I will scream and shout like a child if they cancel the UE5 remake

[jade briar]

I suggest you stick to the release versions. You did nothing wrong. You can try to install the latest version through GitHub, but the process is a bit confusing.

[misty pebble]

Aight, I'll do that then. Thank you

[swift palm]

NvRemixBridge.log:
......
[22:54:57.299] info: Initializing D3D9...
[22:54:57.300] info: Message channel MessageChannelServer established.
[22:54:57.728] info: Exception 0xe06d7363 at 00007FF825BDCF19! Saving minidump to 'D:\Game\nfs8copy.trex\NvRemixBridge.exe_20230810_225457.dmp'
......

d3d9.log:
......
[22:54:57.264] info: Process set as DPI aware
[22:54:57.264] info: Sending SYN command, waiting for ACK from server...
[22:55:12.931] err: The server process has unexpectedly exited, shutting bridge down until next game relaunch!
[22:55:13.042] err: Timeout. Connection not established to server.
[22:55:13.042] err: Are you sure the server was invoked by this application and is running?
[22:55:13.042] info: [Uptime] Server (estimated): 16s
[22:55:13.052] err: GetDeviceCaps() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.067] err: GetAdapterIdentifier() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.083] err: GetAdapterModeCount() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.098] err: GetAdapterDisplayMode() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.114] err: CheckDeviceMultiSampleType() failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:13.114] info: Creating a NON thread-safe D3D9 device.
[22:55:14.114] err: ...server-side D3D9 device creation failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:14.114] info: Creating a NON thread-safe D3D9 device.
[22:55:15.114] err: ...server-side D3D9 device creation failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:15.178] info: Creating a NON thread-safe D3D9 device.
[22:55:16.176] err: ...server-side D3D9 device creation failed with: no response from server.
[22:55:16.176] info: Creating a NON thread-safe D3D9 device.
[22:55:17.176] err: ...server-side D3D9 device creation failed with: no response from server.
......

My gpu is rtx2060, can anyone help me? I try a lot of versions of bridge

[tawny elk]

Did you make sure to change d3d9.dll to d3d9.asi

[swift palm]

I tried, but no change...

[jade briar]

Try reinstalling

You probably messed something up

[dusty grove]

Maybe try different (latest) game version, some times remix or widescreenfix does not work with old versions of nfsu2, you don't even need to download full game just get the speed.exe file.

[cobalt peak]

Why does my game become so bright at times

While some street lights dont cast any light at all

[jade briar]

It's an issue that has been fixed with the latest versions

[cobalt peak]

It is 0.2.0

Or what are you talking abou

about*

[dusty grove]

#remix-beginners-guide message

Update the dxvk and bridge to latest version

[cobalt peak]

Ah thanks young lady

[ember river]

The 0.2.0 versions doesn't ships the fix for this overbright issue, which is the latest Release so far. If you know your way around git, you can proceed to clone the repository from the github page into your game folder and you'll get the latest stuff that is available for developers, just not released in a neat single zip package yet

[dusty grove]

Actually i woud recommend you to download newest version of mod directly from github.
So you have github page of nfsu2remix, download github desktop > put link of that nfsu2remix page in github desktop> it will download over 2gigs of files, and here you GO, you have beautiful rays coming into your eyes

[cobalt peak]

Ah thanks 🙂

[soft zinc]

How are the 'wet' roads implemented in the game? I decided to highlight legacy materials in the dev options only to notice that only the portions of the road that were wet flashed red

While the rest of the road didn't?

[jade briar]

The wet parts are reflecting the red from the skybox

[soft zinc]

whoops!

I'd assumed it was some mesh overlapping fuckery at first

any chance of bumpmpping on mesh-replaced roads in the future, much like how the walls near the airport are bumpmapped?

[jade briar]

Well, every single road mesh in the game is unique, so replacing every road is gonna be a big task

[soft zinc]

EVERY single one is unique? 😳

[jade briar]

yes

[soft zinc]

What about intercepting road meshes and changing its material to a PBR bumpmapped one? To know if the mesh is that of a roads, could we use the textures as a hash since they all share the same diffuse texture?

oh wait, isn't this basically the car material problem again?

[jade briar]

Yes

We don't have materials

[soft zinc]

right, i see

Wait, so how are the walls replaced and textured if we don't have materials then?

[jade briar]

apparently some walls share meshes

[tawny elk]

Looks right to me

[tawny elk]

Yea it’s a bit bright cause I used a dark to balance it.

If you adjust your materials to the classic gloss look it’ll look a little bit better but still a bit bright.

I forget the exact material props but I do have it in my repos mod usda I think

You’ll wanna use your own texture tho

I will do another pass at the garages when they get the textures testing redone

[balmy chasm]

Can't believe graffiti reflection map payed off. That one on the right had no reflections with default lights at all

[balmy chasm]

Are you talking about us? 🥲

[plain lantern]

When will be new version of UG2 RTX to download? 😃

0.20 is nice but lighting at URL and StreetX races is disabled and there is to dark

[balmy chasm]

You can download most recent files from github using method for devs. Not sure if URL lights available there though, but you can always bump up Sky brightness to make all the map lit more

[plain lantern]

Did there is some package of files to download

[balmy chasm]

What do you mean?

[plain lantern]

New patch

And lights of cars are repaired?

[balmy chasm]

Explain this line please

[plain lantern]

I wanna new version of patch

XD

Gimme that baby

My RTX 4090 at quality settings got 45fps sometimes

[plain lantern]

Yea but where are files

Game i got

[balmy chasm]

https://git-scm.com/download/win
https://desktop.github.com/
Install these. Make sure while installing 'git' to include git LFS extension

[plain lantern]

Link with ug2 patch rtx files is not visible here

Github i got

[balmy chasm]

Now you just clone https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix into your root game folder. The way your .gitignore is up next to the game .exe

[plain lantern]

I got

Thx

[cobalt peak]

Is it normal that some lights, in the hills for example don't work?

[jade briar]

Yes

Blame Adam

[cobalt peak]

Ah

[cobalt peak]

My game is very noisy aswell, is that normal?

(Look at the bright area on the street)

[jade briar]

It is what it is

We'll probably need to do noise optimization passes

[dusty grove]

Too low internal resolution, try put higher resolution by lowering dlss or bumping up ingame resolution through widescreenfix

[cobalt peak]

Hmm i's on balanced kinda weird, anyway I put it to quality and it's better thanks.

[devout zodiac]

Guys help me I did what video says but game cant open...

[jade briar]

Do again

[cobalt peak]

The weird thing is, on 0.1.0 there's almost no noise.

And I have DLSS balanced on in this pic aswell.

[jade briar]

Maybe the custom lights are causing the problem

[cobalt peak]

Yeah probably, although I really enjoy the lights in 0.2.0

I like the yellowish tint

[jade briar]

A lot of people did. Until adam made them yellower

soooooo

idk

[tawny elk]

I plan on making a patch for mine where it changes them to more warm colors.

[devout zodiac]

I cant find of folder which name is underground_2_RTX_0.1.rar therefore I decided to use that folder NFSU2-RTX-Remix-main

but it didnt work

[tawny elk]

I think it’s the materials imo.

[jade briar]

Could be. Someone take eman out and show him what asphalt looks like irl

[cobalt peak]

But in this pic I disabled materials, and it was still very noisy

[tawny elk]

Looks like this

[ember river]

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/95

[tawny elk]

Oh yea my bad. I forgot about that.

@jade briar take a look at that PR and determine if his research of asphalt was correct

[cobalt peak]

I am sure it must be the custom lights. :/

[ember river]

The time to propose changes & feedback is now

[cobalt peak]

Maybe you should make the lights look more like those 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQLfB_ytx-M

But I guess we have to wait for TUFU to be published

To get those

Bc this is rtx remix, not TUFU 😛

[tawny elk]

They’re pretty close. Maybe 1000k off from that

[cobalt peak]

Yeah, but the TUFU lights are really close to vanilla lights just.. More realistic.

The color and everything

[jade briar]

That's still using the default textures from the base game

[cobalt peak]

Yep

[jade briar]

Yeah same as 0.2

Of ours

Until lighting was changed

[cobalt peak]

Well where does one get the version before lighting was changed

Or is there no way to get that version anymore

[jade briar]

It's in the releases section

[ember river]

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/releases/tag/v0.2.0-alpha

[cobalt peak]

Yep thats the version I had in this pic

Anyway, TUFU posted a new picture

[jade briar]

Bussin

I guess we could make a texture for the water

What do you think

@tawny elk

I can go and make a tiling wave bump map real quick

[jade briar]

Where do they post these?

[cobalt peak]

He just told me this was from real life not ingame

Anyway I don't want to wait for TUFU anymore, could I just put Underground 2 into unreal engine 5 myself?

I've been waiting for two years now.

It feels like waiting for GTA VI

[misty pebble]

body shop is still completely dark for me

[tawny elk]

Go for it, not sure if the game animates water tbh

[tawny elk]

Only after you compile all the shaders.

[cobalt peak]

Oh damn

Yeah I watched the first TUFU showcase, the game looked almost like vanilla back then

I think I prefer RTX Remix and waiting for TUFU

[tawny elk]

Prob gonna take a look at them here this afternoon and use a sun light source to see how they look in that.

[cobalt peak]

Anyway, I am sure that NFSU2 water is not animated, just a 2D texture.

[jade briar]

I said where

adam help

[cobalt peak]

Oh in the GTA 2 discord

[jade briar]

gta 2

wha

[tawny elk]

Seattle from the bay.

[jade briar]

wh

[cobalt peak]

Oh yeah, it's Seattle.

I think Bayview is supposed to be a mixture of Seattle and Los Angeles. (Because of the Bayview sign.)

But most skyscrapers remind me of Seattle.

[tawny elk]

https://jaredmmoelaart.com/products/seattle-skyline

[jade briar]

w

I

[tawny elk]

Correct.

[jade briar]

Where is this guy posting

[tawny elk]

Think you can right click on the changes tab and discard all the changes your GitHub program is trying to make.

[misty pebble]

was afraid of this: URL is Super Dark

[tawny elk]

Super secret discord.

[misty pebble]

i can at least kinda see with other cars

[tawny elk]

I haven’t touched any of those yet

[jade briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/379970189740998658/927160308622061608/get_beaten.gif

[tawny elk]

It’s right next to where they keep the remix toolkit.

[jade briar]

give

[cobalt peak]

Aunt Burrito what are you doing

[jade briar]

Doesn't exist yet

[misty pebble]

Ah ok, and sadly without any headlights nor lights in general, it is near impossible for me to beat the 2nd URL

[tawny elk]

Gotta wait till the full release to do that Or if you send me an OC picture of your cat, I’ll bump it up in the priority.

[misty pebble]

xD i can see if i can take a photo of my cat and put a hat on it. Deal?

[tawny elk]

I’ll get right on it if they’re wearing a hat.

[misty pebble]

I'll go find my cat xD

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gone-reduced-to-atoms-end-game-infinity-war-gif-15573921

[misty pebble]

nah had a issue that got arised

not NFS related nor RTX related so i won't say it

[cobalt peak]

TUFU looks really insane

[misty pebble]

@tawny elk I tried xD

i have 0 art skills

[elfin beacon]

Ahan.

[misty pebble]

Ahan?

[tawny elk]

It’s just the material of the car itself is just a rough surface by default so it ends up reflecting a bunch of light.

Not so much the light sources.

[misty pebble]

would changing the paint material work?

[tawny elk]

If you also post an OC picture of your cat I’ll jump on it after the lights for the URL.

[tawny elk]

It’s an issue that we still haven’t figured out. Do we redo the material every time the hash changes? Prevent the hash from changing…?

[tawny elk]

If you’re interested the first solution of changing it yourself, just set the material to use these #1103377328530276403 message

[craggy plover]

I am sorry but it seems I have broke my game. How would I go about reinstalling remix?

[dusty grove]

Delete gamereadyassets, all .cfg files that you find out in game folder, than just update remix dxvk and bridge

[craggy plover]

@dusty grove Thank you. I will try

So my game works again but its not showing the remix graphics

Where would I find the download for the remix settings again? It has been a little bit

[tawny elk]

Brightness at the post process level yes

[dusty grove]

Look here first #remix-beginners-guide message
For moded nfsu2 textures itself look at the pinned message here.

[elfin beacon]

aHAN

[soft zinc]

ic

[soft zinc]

this is the source image for the 'background' image texture in og ug2?

[craggy plover]

Okay I did a reinstall and now my game wont start up at all? Any fixes or is it something I did wrong?

I reinstalled the game made sure it started up over and over again as I was installing the remix stuff

Now it doesnt open

[jade briar]

You probably messed something up.

[craggy plover]

I feel like its not as complicated as I make it to be?

Basically 3 different releases and it goes remix, the bridge, then dxvk right?

I did it once before but that was totally by accident. I dont know what I am not understanding to make it work

[tawny elk]

Rename d3d9.DLL to d3d9.asi?

[tawny elk]

@ember river any words of advice for getting the skysphere to be single sided?

Disregard, I broke the mesh replacement and got the fallback distant source to use

[ember river]

That is weird. Is the crane lights reflecting off of the skybox mesh, like, 10km away?

[tawny elk]

Nah it's the fog

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-fog-gif-13014637

[ember river]

Oh, ok

[tawny elk]

I like it smoky

[ember river]

Well there is something I'd like to take a moment to experiment with. I think @sharp sinew was into something with the help of someone from NV that relied on not only setting the skybox texture as sky texture, but also the mesh_hashes as such in remix menu

Can't find the thread

[tawny elk]

I found some bits in general about it, but he didn't make any progress either

[tawny elk]

It's like I'm really in the PNW

[hardy maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/796643295295569920.gif?size=48&name=Snoop&quality=lossless

[ember river]

It was in some game's thread, maybe cod, idk

[ember river]

Isn't it that forza horizon 5 intro with the huge sandstorm?

[tawny elk]

Something like that

Okay I got the distant light source from the skybox mesh replacement working, but now the skybox mesh replacement itself is gone

[tawny elk]

Wonder if this is the problem

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/626bcc053c0809928d5ac4ed5cf9fb70ef5beab5/src/dxvk/rtx_render/rtx_mod_usd.cpp#L955C6-L955C6

Is doublesided always set to true?

[ember river]

I think the prim.GetAttribute().Get() returns a true value if it retrieved that attribute sussesfully, regardless of its value being true or false

If it returned false, it falls on 961 and sets to the default which is double sided, otherwise it reads the value of the kDoubleSided attribute and sets on the ternary at 957. Seems about right to me

[thorny pawn]

Silent Speed Hill Underground 2

[tawny elk]

Wonder if searching through the portal usdas for doubleSided will uncover anything

[tawny elk]

Peak gaming.

What is the equivalent of the pyramid head in the nfs world?

[thorny pawn]

That car from Fast and Furious that has a wedge in front

[tawny elk]

Road feels a bit too shiny

[tawny elk]

Turns out I already had lights

[misty pebble]

Oh that's funny xD

[tawny elk]

Need to figure out what lights they are though cause their aiming is way off

[misty pebble]

Even just using headlights with dim lights would be cool

Cause with me thinking, doesn't some race tracks have no light?

[tawny elk]

Not typically ones with night races

[misty pebble]

Ah ok

Unless it's Lemans

[tawny elk]

It's only dark in the non-grandstand areas right?

[misty pebble]

I'd think so?

Crap I gotta think xd

I'm thinking from what LeMans at night is like

The 24hr Circuit De La-Sarthe

ik I botched that up heavily

Looks to be some parts of the track are no lights and others are

For example: the start/finish line where there are the grandstands and pits

But this could vary between every track

[tawny elk]

Do we get ReSTIR and do every light source?

[ember cobalt]

might as well 😛

when we can play this at 8k in the future it'll look great

[tawny elk]

Gotta make people need that 5090 when it comes out

[misty pebble]

XD

[tawny elk]

Take two

My repo's been updated with it 👍

[open atlas]

I would point out that one of the cutscenes has you break into the URL track and that it probably doesn't actually host night races

[tawny elk]

Damn. I could dim them down some more so they're like in a secuirty mode or something

[open atlas]

https://youtu.be/S9fB0hGOJKM?t=5m59s

[ember river]

I'm not sure if I should give up wet roads entirely. With such low res the normals look more like leather than actual asphalt. Atm the textures are 1024x8192, 1024 is too small
Would be much easier

[tawny elk]

It also gets stretched all wonky with how the UVs are.

I think getting the dry texture down and then maybe adding wetness to it would be a good idea

[ember river]

I'll take a look at it after I finish the hedge fences

[tawny elk]

I’ll take a look at it after I finish trimming the hedge fences

[sharp sinew]

Nah I got no where with sky's mate. I was getting some crazy backwards direct shadow noise thing. That said I did somehow get distant light and a custom sky dome working together. No idea how but I'll upload the mesh in a bit so you can have a play if you like

Only way I can get low noise results from the sky is using what remix finds for me which blows cause I want to change lighting conditions

[soft zinc]

Sussy ug2 error when attempting to launch

The instruction at 0x00000000005D2780 references memory at 0x0000000000000000. The memory could not be read.

Why is UG2 attempting to read the very first block of my computer memory?

Only happened post rtx remix

Also figured I'd give a headsup. Went undergground (no pun intended) using the debug camera view

Could one prevent the game from rendering these planar reflections to get a minor speedup to rendering?

Unrelated, but what I find oddly amusing that my laptop can run the game on battery at 17 fps, only shooting to 25-26 fps on AC.

Figured the jump from battery to ac would be FAR higher

[dusty grove]

Try overclock it to 2ghz, if you're lucky with silicone lottery there won't be that much heat. (obv do this through curve, not just slider +x)
memory OC too

[cobalt peak]

I was up all night, now I managed to put Underground 2 into UE5

[cobalt peak]

No, but it looks really close to it, that's why I think Bayview is a mixture of LA and Seattle. It's a picture of Seattle.

The Skyscrapers of Underground 2 look really close to those in the picture, aka those in Seattle.

And the Bayview sign is obviously inspired by the Hollywood sign.

Also, Rachel mentions somewhere in the game (some message) that Bayview is located on the West Coast.

[soft zinc]

I'll push it as much as I can. It's limited to 50 atts of power tho

[soft zinc]

Icic

[cobalt peak]

What does that mean lol

[soft zinc]

Interesting

[soft zinc]

I see

[cobalt peak]

Ah

[jade briar]

@tawny elk

What do you think of these textures?

Roughness is kinda weird

@ember river

The cracks should be lower in reflectivity since water would puddle in there

[tawny elk]

Too smooth. Needs to be almost be white.

[jade briar]

Too rough considering how much it rains in the original

[tawny elk]

I think we need to nail down the look of dry pavement and then add wetness to it.

[jade briar]

I think eman is adding wayyy too much contrast on roughness

The road surface would dry and get wet in a linear way

Here's what a professionally made road reflectivity (roughness but inverted) map looks like

[tawny elk]

I’ll go out in the field and take some more photos.

[jade briar]

I have like 170 gigs of very high quality textures that I found between couch cushions

They are great for reference

[tawny elk]

Now that’s a road

[jade briar]

I can confirm your suspicion, thet it is, indeed, a road.

[tawny elk]

One the roads of all time in fact

[jade briar]

Agreed

[cobalt peak]

Why not just upscale some of NFSU2s textures

Maybe not roads but you know, walls and everything

To keep the original feeling of the game, but more realistic

[jade briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136433120334315560/1139906638480945384/46d61eec346f313495d23f8b1db99347.png

[tawny elk]

They’re too low res

[cobalt peak]

Dang

Anyway, is their a way to replace sky textures?

[tawny elk]

Yes it’s as simple as following this chart ||/s||

[balmy chasm]

Huh, too low res

[tawny elk]

Here’s a video explaining it https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w

[cobalt peak]

Bruh

[tawny elk]

If you search for skybox or sky dome in this thread you’ll find it. Or look for the word proposed, or cats. The cats told me the solution.

[tawny elk]

Oh update on removing more culling from the game: I actually disabled all culling from the game I believe with my current tweaks. The map streaming itself has some method of optimization that only loads in potentially visible chunks.

So gotta figure that out in order to get more things loaded.

No update on getting crowds back.

[jade briar]

That's good.

There seems to be some sort of occlusion culling going on

If an object is completely covering up another, it won't get rendered.

[cobalt peak]

Would it be possible to somehow prevent the building lights from culling?

For example, if you're in Jackson Heights most of Downtown is dark

Aka no lights are on

[tawny elk]

Yes there’s the basic occluder texture of the time that is used. You can find the texture on the wheels. It’s shows up as a black square.

[tawny elk]

Game doesn’t have a concept of those, so no. It checks if a map chunk is visible or not.

I have it modified into saying all chunks are visible right now

Need to get to load more chunks

[soft zinc]

Anyone know what's up with this btw?

[soft zinc]

What about remodeling the meshes by hand and baking it down to a texture? Would be laborious, but a ton of textures such as fences, buildings, etc could be done this way

[soft zinc]

and this too

[plain stag]

My friend do same thing but maybe Year now - TUFU 2 Underground 2 Unreal

[tawny elk]

That’s the plan. Redo lots of the meshes.

Also no baking. We can use all the polygons we want

[tawny elk]

Yea with disabling reflections.

[tawny elk]

No idea. Use a debugger to see what’s going on. Never had that happen to me.

[tawny elk]

I’ll look into disabling the flipped world. Seems like that might be where there’s lots of performance loss

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bebe-walk-baby-run-run-away-chat-too-weird-chat-gif-21706829

[craggy plover]

Any way to fix this?

[tawny elk]

Delete the RTX remix folder and try again

[craggy plover]

Feck lol alright

[tawny elk]

Hm. I wonder if I should reorganize my repo to be able to just be applied over Emans

Also @ember river you good for a big lighting push later today? I wanna sync the repos.

[dusty grove]

Man you just download it straight from github, you need to download from release, or install github desktop and copy game into your pc
Shoud be over 2gb, not some 5mb

[tawny elk]

I wonder if we could get a CI build going of the main branch so there’s a bleeding edge release.

Or if it’d be okay if I just made one and released it periodically.

[craggy plover]

@dusty grove Yes that is what I am trying to do. I have the releases downloaded of dxvk and the release for bridge as well. I have the remix0.2.0. then I have the nfsu2 remix. I go remix 0.2.0 then bridge then dxvk then nfsu2 remix

Is that not what I do?

[dusty grove]

Man lets separate things remix/bridge/dxvk is one thing and looks like you install it right.
So the nfs part you download the releases OR you cloning newer version through github desktop, dont do 2 things together!
Now just delete gamereadyassets folder and istall tge releases thing should be fine for beginning

[soft zinc]

Right, forgot about that one

[soft zinc]

As in OG ug2's reflections?

Or is Remix using planar too?

[tawny elk]

Correct.

[tawny elk]

No it’s using path tracing. No rasterization.

[soft zinc]

Right, but I recall another dev here stating that the flipped 'world' really is planar reflections and not duplicated meshes?

So the separate render pass required to get planar reflections is causing perf loss if I am getting this right?

[tawny elk]

Dunno. Just gonna disable reflections and see what happens.

[ember river]

Sure, please, we need those changes to head to our next release, so ppl can install the mod much easier in a single package 📦

[ember river]

That would be cool. I'll be working on it

[ember river]

Git has the ability to have nested repositories, which you can clone recursively with a special flag, pretty much what the remix repo does

[craggy plover]

Am I downloading the wrong nfsu2 remix? I am downloading main. Is there a different one I should be getting?

I took out the gamereadyassets and then reinstalled the nfsu2 remix main

[tawny elk]

Ahhh I think that would work cause I put the repo it's own extmod folder

[craggy plover]

Is that the wrong one?

[tawny elk]

Download from releases

[craggy plover]

@tawny elk just to make it clear I am not talking about the remix 0.2.0. I am talking about nfsu2 remix main. Where is the releases for the nfsu2 remix?

[craggy plover]

@tawny elk wow I am so sorry for being so blind but also thank you so much

[tawny elk]

All good Hard to describe without it sounding really silly.

[craggy plover]

@tawny elk totally understand. I was very confused but slowly its starting to make sense as I learn kind of XD

I got this after going through freeway tunnel D;

[tawny elk]

Yea I can't get the submodule to work

wait I think I'm figuring it out

[severe solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[tawny elk]

Figured it out, don't like how it works tho tbh

[cobalt peak]

Nice, it was a joke tho only a picture from TUFU =/

I wonder, would it be nice to live in Bayview IRL?

Maybe I should move to Seattle or Los Angeles

[plain stag]

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️i didnt know Its joke

[tawny elk]

There's no mirrored underworld as Burrito stated. You might have a graphics setting turned on that enables it. You need to set the graphics to the specifc settings for best performance.

[soft zinc]

So they're just a render of the scene flipped upside down, not with actual meshes below the road at all times?

[tawny elk]

No, I believe there's a mirrored LOD world on high settings. But we have reflections turned off in the base game since we don't need them.

[jade briar]

Hey adam

Have you made a github issue regarding the unstable lighting in the game?

[tawny elk]

Whatcha mean, like how there's that nuke that goes off in the distance?

E-man solved that

[jade briar]

No not that

The uh

Lighting "blinking"

Kinda looks like when you take the temporal out of temporal denoising for one frame.

[tawny elk]

Ohhh

No issue on the project, but I don't really know what to do about it.

[jade briar]

thx

Wrong chat

[misty pebble]

OH HECK YEA!

[jade briar]

@tawny elk The issue that I just pointed out is literally in this video

Look how the lighting flashes

[tawny elk]

Ohhh

[jade briar]

mf

[tawny elk]

Need more samples

[jade briar]

Just play normally and you'll see how the lighting glitches out randomly. I'm pretty sure that it's being caused by unstable motion vectors as the denoiser gets confused and since it's temporal, the lighting goes to shit for a few frames.

[tawny elk]

I like this theory