NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[jade briar]

But still

\

Ahh

[safe patrol]

look at the reflection on the pole above the windows

[sage wraith]

Thats a OpenGL normal map i guess. So if the deepness looks inverted, its OpenGL. If it looks correct, its directx

[safe patrol]

it's now reflecting towards the light instead of away from it

[jade briar]

Law of conservation of energy and all that.

[safe patrol]

you know, I can almost believe there are stairs there too

[jade briar]

I may not be the brightest man here. But I know my renderers, and my pbr.

[safe patrol]

it's better from this angle

[graceful heron]

Vram💀

[tawny elk]

Okay I’ll contact them about it and see about a time for them to chat. Please let me know if you’d like to be in on the meeting.

[sage wraith]

Looks Really good

[jade briar]

I love staring at random shops while playing my favourite racing game. If you stress about all the details, then we'll be stuck here for a long time.

[safe patrol]

I'd love to be on if I'm available but if it needs to be a time when I'm not go ahead without me

[tawny elk]

8GB cards

[jade briar]

I haven't slept in the last 32 or so hours, so my body is close to giving up.

[surreal ruin]

Eeehy nice, holds up fairly decently for being a flat texture hah

[ember river]

Awesome man. Another thing, is there a way to visualize the axis gizmo relative to the mesh wherever it is instanced or it will always be at the world's origin?

[jade briar]

Adam, show this gentleman your light tutorial

[tawny elk]

Tap the short cut key again to change the origin reference. For example, W is for moving, so tapping that twice changes to the mesh origin.

[tawny elk]

Note: you usually don’t want to use the gizmo in the viewport as that’s likely an instance of the light and not the actual mesh one

[tawny elk]

The actual mesh one is near the origin, likely far away from where you are.

[ember river]

I see. It has to do for now

[jade briar]

I'd say, hopefully 20 hours from now.

Because timezones and all that

[tawny elk]

You can turn the mesh one on temporarily and be able to see it at the origin if it’s a tricky one.

[ember river]

Learning a new software is always a cakewalk

[tawny elk]

Then you can use the gizmos in the viewport to align it.

[jade briar]

But I still think we should take it easy on the development. Remix tools are still cooking (allegedly)

[tawny elk]

Ah, you need to add the preserve draw call.

[safe patrol]

Huzzah! Nicely done.

[jade briar]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Omniverse create is humanity's worst 3d software right next to source filmmaker.

[tawny elk]

You can add it via the attributes in OV. Rather than a text editor like I showed

[tawny elk]

Nonsense, you haven’t met ||Revit||

[ember river]

Guys, lets switch do ZModeller then

[tawny elk]

At least OV is multithreaded

[jade briar]

I've never even heard of that name. Which is to be expected.

I bet I will have a better time using sketchup.

[tawny elk]

It’s for buildings and it’s tech debt hasn’t been paid since 2003. And rivals the sims 2 in the nonsense it does. || And is also the reason why you don’t have curved walls in buildings as much anymore ||

[surreal ruin]

It's Zbrushes new polymodelling tools

[tawny elk]

Blender 2.79 pls. New UI is too easy to understand.

[jade briar]

Oh yeah. Pre 2.8 was uhhhhh

A thing

Too bad I still sometimes have to deal with it

Right click select

[ember river]

Let there be light

[jade briar]

Aaaah my eyes

[tawny elk]

I see whatcha trying to do

[ember river]

After achieving a minor burning degree of my retinas, this one looks decent 🤔

Anyway, TIL how to replace textures and can proceed on my own to make more changes. Think I'll keep a eman.usd file alongside mod.usd on gameReadyAssets and only work with it. Since mod.usd can reference mod_lights.usda and eman.usd without having to mess up with mod.usda itself, everyone can have their own usd file just like that and the project as is could be uploaded to github already 🤔

Do you guys see a limitation to this?:

[jade briar]

That's how it could work.

[tawny elk]

Yea that’s how I have mine setup to be.

Oh we could use submodules to reference repos

[ember river]

Think a single centralized one might be enough. So we could frequently open PRs, reviews and merges into master for final release builds and stuff

Slownly the team gets organized

[jade briar]

We better get started with organizing stuff.

One thing I'm worried about. Is how are we going to deal with duplicates

Because there are some things that a bunch of people have attempted.

[safe patrol]

At least as far as textures go that's why I've asked for a standard naming scheme based on hashes

[jade briar]

Okay, well that's done. But what about things that multiple people have tried doing.

Like at least e people, at this point have attempted textures

[safe patrol]

oh like where we have multiple versions of the same road texture?

[ember river]

Maybe we should take a moment to organize everyone's attempts into their own usd file and chose which one, say, garage textures should be included and everyone else delete theirs. Rn The project seems pretty small so we can deal with it rather easily

[jade briar]

Yes. Someone will have sacrifice.

I guess that's what polls are for

[bold bay]

uncleburrito asks: hotdogs

1⃣: mustard
2⃣: no mustard

[safe patrol]

the more I'm looking at this, the more I think git has the tools we want to do this properly. Because we can do merge requests where there are conflicts like that and discuss which versions we want to go with.

[jade briar]

Ok polls work

[ember river]

Now a PM role makes sense. If everyone work on their own feature branch, we all will know what each one is up to

[jade briar]

Yeah.

[safe patrol]

I'm not that impressed with mudstack so far. There's no support for dds - you can't view them without downloading them. There's no icon thumbnails or previews. There's no way (at least that I can find so far) to sync between your PC and mudstack.

[ember river]

Before merging, someone could review the work and approve...

[jade briar]

To think it all started with a YouTube video because a guy wanted to show progress off to his friend, but his friend didn't have discord so he asked me to upload it on yt.

[ember cobalt]

don't abuse features i didn't know existed 😛

[ember river]

Haha, I believe we're up to something really great here

[safe patrol]

And honestly if you guys aren't fans of git due to command line stuff, GitHub Desktop makes the whole process stupid simple.
https://desktop.github.com/

[plain stag]

try replace NEON SGN its texture on Fountain like neon strip

[jade briar]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. But the act of sacrificing copies of work done will be through polls. Don't want anyone to feel bad because I said no.

[jade briar]

It's a basic features for most discord bots.

[safe patrol]

works for me

[ember river]

Idk guys, it all sounds perfect for us now

For me

[ember cobalt]

just joking

[safe patrol]

honestly I know my work isn't the best out there so I feel like most of the stuff I'm creating is just gonna sit there until someone with actual talent comes along and replaces it. So I won't be offended by pretty much anything I make being replaced.

[ember cobalt]

i'm tired so humor ➡️ 🪟

[jade briar]

Problems start when you start getting comfortable. Always sit in an uncomfortable chair

[elfin beacon]

Haha, I'm just reading the chat and it all sounds perfect until....

[jade briar]

Well, EMAN obliterated my textures. That's for sure.

[safe patrol]

I still have a soft spot for your textures, but his are looking REALLY promising

[jade briar]

There's still a number of things that I'm gonna do.

Yeah

[safe patrol]

I feel like there's a lot of low-hanging fruit that I can help with that while not super impressive by itself, can make a huge difference in the overall look of things.

[jade briar]

Also. Who's gonna look at all the remix bugs. Like that light flahbang that happens after a few minutes of gameplay on weaker cards.

[ember river]

Please guys, that is a work we need a lot of ppl, I can't do all the texture and whatnot alone. You textures also loom great, keep doing them please, whenever you have some sparetime from the PM role haha

[jade briar]

I'm waiting for mesh replacements so that I can start giving the building some depth.

[ember river]

I'd like to understand the replacement problems a little deeper. Meshes are stored as usd files, but their content is in binary format. Maybe we can get something going with that Pixar API to convert, say, .obj to usd meshes

[jade briar]

I'm honestly quite overwhelmed right now. So much happened in the days that I was wasting playing GTA for 8 hours straight that I can't make myself open up omniverse and actually start doing things.

[ember river]

I see. Ur burned out

[safe patrol]

do you want someone else to take the lead with creating a git repo and moving forward with that?

[jade briar]

I still gotta work on the other car windows to match with the ones that you made. I still have to figure out how to fix the car interior materials. I still have to replace the skybox. I have a solid plan on how to get around doing that. I still have to verify that black hawk down doesn't work for the nv team. These are just the things off the top of my head.

[jade briar]

I can do that.

It's about doing the artistic stuff. Things I mentioned above.

Yeah okay enough self loathing for today. I'm gonna sleep before I remember something I did years ago and mourn over that.

[soft isle]

is there any info of when asset swapping will roughly be available

[safe patrol]

soon™

[soft isle]

Nice thanks for reply

[tawny elk]

I’ll still have my little repo with everything in the meantime.

[odd dome]

My bad i was giving some suggestions 😊

I saw your yt progress videos

This looks v v cool

[severe solstice]

update 0.3 when

[safe patrol]

soon™

[tawny elk]

I get my RTX 8000 so I can use 1,000 light sources per frame

[sage wraith]

I Made new Road textures for street x racefields. That was the biggest shit i ever Made 😅 Really stupid meshing. 🤦‍♂️

[safe patrol]

Sweet, looking forward to them

You know, I was thinking about voting on textures when we have more than one person make the same thing. In cases where it's not a clear matter of one being vastly superior to another and when it's more down to individual artistic choice, it's really easy to provide alternatives. As long as they're named with the same convention it's literally just a matter of dropping your preferred version into the texture folder and overwriting what's there.

That way if there's two really good sets of roads, for example, but one is mostly dry and one is pretty wet, it's no big deal to have both.

We can vote on what gets included by default but the others can go in a separate download or something for alternatives.

[pearl pike]

guys i have a question, how can i know that i have the build with the lastest changes?, because i installed NFU2 RTXRemix once a while ago and i was wondering how can i update it

[blazing bone]

ReSTIR allows for millions of lights without slowing down the game

[tawny elk]

I know, but I have no idea on how to reach that ||yet||

But I have ideas

[safe patrol]

Wait till we release an update

[tawny elk]

Not sure if I like how this came out

[tawny elk]

Crane

[safe patrol]

I spent a lot of time this afternoon driving around and finding new things I need to work on. I have a lot of new materials to do.

On the bright side, a lot of that time I was really impressed with how cool so much of it looks. Honestly, a lot of it is getting really good.

On the other hand, I noticed a lot of my things that look like crap and I need to fix

[tawny elk]

I wonder if I set the LOD distance to the maximum amount and debug camera out way above the map if I can capture it all in one shot.

[dusty grove]

U need to ask nfs modders for that like osdever, elaymm4 etc.

[tawny elk]

No I know the memory addresses to edit. They’re listed here as well.

Just haven’t tried it yet.

Honestly, I don’t have the plug-in / mod that has the debug camera so if someone else would like to test it I’d be happy to give the values/memory addresses

[dusty grove]

U mean extra options? (For debug camera)
https://nfsmods.xyz/mod/290

[balmy chasm]

General Guidance for Creators

I'd like to introduce some basic rules to follow while creating content for Remix and I'd like everyone who's working on anything to follow them. As it is first version, changes can be suggested, use either 'comment' or 'suggest' tools of Google Document. Or we can discuss any question right here. Also I'd like it to be updated when we have some shared repo(or something like that) with in-depth details on how to join the workflow.
@cloud crypt @ember river @sage wraith (just to make sure sctive artists see that)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zdvHEN4o750BIjtnF2lvZGRUblZWg2AMZcj6RCfBHkM/edit?usp=sharing

[balmy chasm]

@ember cobalt Can we also get this pinned for some time being?

[ember cobalt]

maaaaaybe

[cloud crypt]

No

1. Point with textures, yes
   Point with usda naming: partly accepted

[balmy chasm]

USDA naming is part of project managment, so it requires further discussion later

[elfin beacon]

after some time.

[sage wraith]

If the Name is in the usda ‚s, it a Lot more easy See, who made it, in case of issues

[balmy chasm]

Well, I see some potential in leaving credentials inside a file instead. I'll test if it is possible to make it not disappear every time you update usda through OV.

[balmy chasm]

RGB 🤤

[jade briar]

That's cool

[cloud crypt]

Emissives?

[balmy chasm]

Nah. At first I placed rect lights facing outwards, but it didn't work. So I just faced them to the lamp itself

[cloud crypt]

Ah ok, good to know

I currently try to figure out some stuff to improve my street lights etc. I want to make them compatible with as many of your (adam, eaworld) lights so that combining stuff is quite easy.

[balmy chasm]

Just as Adam said, Normalize doesn't work as of now. It is still driven by the size/shape of the light 🤔

Have you tested if there is any issues working on 1.0 and 0.01 scale captures at the same time?(and I mean exactly captures)

[tawny elk]

If that’s what enables it, yes

[floral hinge]

any people running this on a 2060? what should i expect performance-wise?

is like dlss performance 1080p60fps achievable

[jade briar]

Probably not, but do try out and tell me.

[cloud crypt]

I dont use normalize and didnt even mentioned it

[cloud crypt]

Thats the thing i am working on too. For me 0.5 works fine, 0.01 gives me flashbanks even though my lights are very small and not as bright as adams

[surreal ruin]

Prolly not 60, but maybe a 30.

[floral hinge]

later on tonight most likely, after work

[floral hinge]

even 30 is like fine, i played u2 originally on a fx5200 and a sempron 2500+, it was pretty much the same

[ember river]

Seems pretty decent to me. We've been discussing and agreed on @jade briar creating a git repo. With that, no one needs to touch the nod.usda file anymore, only their own personal .usda
Also, would be nice if we had a workflow to know what everyone is working on exactly at each time, so we don't have problems of 2 or more working on the same thing. Working with feature branches within github was suggested, so a branch/PR would be open for, say, gas station lights, and no one else would open a branch for the same purpose. At the end the branch gets merged and deleted. The commit history of who did what will remain in the repo 🤔
That is some professional workflow that should solve many of our problems. Maybe Nv_Mark could assist on how they did that with portal rtx + perforce, if we need

[tawny elk]

You’ll have to adjust your radius of lights if the 0.01 causes over brightness. My lights tend to be 0.3~0.05

Radius is in meters from my understanding for context.

[balmy chasm]

You mean he has to make them bigger or smaller?

[tawny elk]

Smaller I presume.

[cloud crypt]

They are between 0.4 and 0.2 for now

But i am currently at work. I will do ther when i am back home

[jade briar]

Yo adam how do I rotate the car

@tawny elk

[tawny elk]

What do you mean?

[jade briar]

like in the garafe and stuff

[tawny elk]

Middle mouse

[jade briar]

My mouse is broken

[tawny elk]

Welp.

[balmy chasm]

Rebind MMB to other button

[jade briar]

Nah my mmb just needs a little warming up

Just click it for about 50 times and then it'll start working

[tawny elk]

Whatcha cooking ? 👀

[final knoll]

Hi, I have followed the installation of the RTX Remix mod and when starting the game it stays loading without starting the game, I have an RTX 4060 ti

[balmy chasm]

Well, check pins first

[final knoll]

I got an error code

[jade briar]

Bug hunting

[jade briar]

What is it?

[final knoll]

I have managed to get the game to load but the problem is that it throws me to the windows window

i don't know to do

[jade briar]

Install it to a fresh install of the game. Do not install the game in the c drive. Follow each step of the tutorial carefully.

[final knoll]

I have the game installed on drive D

[jade briar]

YEah read the tutorial

[final knoll]

I have followed the tutorial several times and the same thing happens to me, I will do it again and I hope it works for me

[jade briar]

Strange

[tawny elk]

What graphics card do you have? My bad. It’s my first reaction when I hear about errors.

I’ve run into a bug where if I stay in the main menu or garage too long the game locks up.

[balmy chasm]

For how long?

[jade briar]

Oh yeah. I discovered it today.

[tawny elk]

Like 10 seconds?

[jade briar]

I left the main menu open so that my cat could dry on top of the computer and left for like an hour. When I came back, the game was frozen.

Nah it can definitely last longer than 10 mins for me

[final knoll]

i got it

[tawny elk]

Hm. Wonder what’s the problem

[jade briar]

All you had to do. Was follow the damn tutorial, cj

[balmy chasm]

Which dxvk version you use guys?

[tawny elk]

Latest builds

[jade briar]

I upgraded to the latest build just now because it fixed the skybox motion blur bug that I reported a while ago. I was using a weeks old version.

[balmy chasm]

Well, I'm yet on build#94. And I haven't got such an issue after 10 min test

[balmy chasm]

oh god... no...

[tawny elk]

No way the chains share a texture?

[balmy chasm]

That basically means even if I do prerender, it will look fake (so no engine hanging there from now on 👍 )

[tawny elk]

Hang something silly instead

[balmy chasm]

See that red chain part? I'll hand another chain on the end of it

[tawny elk]

Gold chain?

[ember river]

Ok guys, so I'm finally figuring out mesh replacement, after a long day of trial and error

[jade briar]

Huh. You actually figured it out

We just straight up gave up

It'd be wiser to wait for the creator toolkit

[ember river]

Yeah it was a lot of headache. Materials aren't working yet. Meshes are just usd files, which are binary encoded, but if you convert to .usda, a Cube mesh would look something like this:

[jade briar]

Yep

[ember river]

On Omniverse Launcher, there is a Blender version built specifically to integrate with usd stuff. From it, it is possible to export the mesh usd directly, but the replacement itself I still need to do by hand in the mod.usd file, like this:

[jade briar]

Yeah, I'd rather wait for the right tool

[ember river]

Oh, the game only works with triangles btw. No quads in the final topology

[sharp sinew]

I can do the replacement bit in omniverse but I can't export my USDA file correctly. Could you show me how you do that please?

[jade briar]

Yep. That's how graphics work.

[sharp sinew]

We got this earlier today with marks help converting my mesh himself
#1096847508002590760 message

[ember river]

Well I couldn't even do the replacement correcly in Create. To endup with this layout on my layer I had to edit the mesh_replacement.usda mod file by hand in a text editor

[sharp sinew]

It's the same process as a light. Instead of making a light right click the mesh_hash and go to create>xform then in the xform click add>reference and find your usda

[ember river]

Could you give us some helps? If I only could get materials to work I could find my way with some python automation scripts and such

[sharp sinew]

Open the USDA file. Click create at the top and go to material, add MDL file or something like that. Go to remix/captures/materials and pick the aperture opacity material save the usda

MDL file is 3rd from bottom in the list

Add a diffuse or it won't work

I'm done for today but I'll record the process tomorrow in a video.

[ember river]

My man, thank you very much. I'll be working on that

[tawny elk]

What to light today

[ember river]

Well, I'm being very unhappy on my attempts right now. No matter what I do the mesh simply won't assign the material in Create. No errors on console. I'm getting tired

Think I'll, wait for @sharp sinew to come up with something they've solved with Mark

[tawny elk]

God damnit they're off center

[jade briar]

U're off center

[tawny elk]

Way off

[valid geyser]

keep that in

reject modernity
return to monke

[sage wraith]

I’ve allready load up a usda. Which adds light to all cars in all variants

[dusty grove]

Where?

[sage wraith]

In this Chat Here

Here

[dusty grove]

"in all variants" nope( UPD: looks like it doesn't work at all. I putted it in nfsu2/rtx-remix/mods where all other .usda are, maybe i did smth wrong idk.

[ember river]

Hey @jade briar, about that git repo, if you'd like, I could create that and setup everything for collab, so we don't miss anymore files and stuff

[jade briar]

Suure

[tawny elk]

Should I break my lights usda into usages/categories today?

[jade briar]

Yes

[tawny elk]

Say no more

[balmy chasm]

How about defying categories first?

[tawny elk]

Let's see...

[severe solstice]

[tawny elk]

Do we want to go with:

   - Name (Model, Identifier..)

[balmy chasm]

Are you talking about .usda name?

[tawny elk]

Yea and what goes in the usda

[balmy chasm]

Give an example please .-.

[tawny elk]

Lights_CityCore.usda/FancyBuildingXYZ.usda

Lights_Cars.usda/RX7.usda

Or maybe

Lights_Buildings/CityCore/FancyBuilding

I'll type up a whole structure no matter what

[balmy chasm]

May be it makes sense to separate Lights into global category, everything else under it

[tawny elk]

Lighting/Buildings/CityCore/FancyBuilding ?

[balmy chasm]

Right

What about lights that are used elsewhere but some region of the map?

[ember river]

We can also nest usda files. Lights_General.usda/Lights_BeaconHill.usda/Lights_BH_Garden.usda

[tawny elk]

Yea I was refencing the nesting structure

[tawny elk]

Global?

[ember river]

Lights that go everywhere could be in general

[balmy chasm]

May be can make an 'exclussion' list of meshes that are falling into this category?

[balmy chasm]

Roadways devided into areas?

[tawny elk]

They don't really get divided into areas. More usage than anything.

[balmy chasm]

How to separate them from others then?

[tawny elk]

Usage

[balmy chasm]

Where Roadways lights end up and building ones start?

[tawny elk]

Roadways are these boys. Things that are meant to light up the road only.

I think where you're talking about drawing the line is something that's on a building, but ends up lighting up the road. Right?

[balmy chasm]

Ye

[tawny elk]

In my experience, I'd keep it out the "roadway" bin since it's on the building rather than a standalone thing. But that's more from construction POV.

If it's used globaly for lighting roads, but is typically on buildings, I'd say it should fall under something like Roadways/BuildingBased or similar

So then that breaks the poles up into the Poles bin

Would it be helpful to add pictures to describe what goes where?

[balmy chasm]

No :harold:

I assume we will end up signing each hash to specific parts of the city

[tawny elk]

For the roadway ones?

[balmy chasm]

Which one you'd put purple light to?

[tawny elk]

Roadway\Global(?)\Urban\ReallyTallPole

If it's unique to Zone 1, then maybe have it zoned that way?

[balmy chasm]

It can be a part of roadway zone 2 as well

[tawny elk]

If it's in both then move it to globals?

[balmy chasm]

And oh god, some blockhead will place that into zone 3 somehow

How do you identify which part of global lights is it?

[tawny elk]

Would it be better to have global be a top level category?

[balmy chasm]

May be we just tell people a list of hashes which cannot be touched and probide the only one possible .usda for Global lights

[tawny elk]

So Global\Roadways\Urban\TallPole

What is the problem you're trying to solve? Maybe it's easier to approach it that way

[balmy chasm]

So there is no chance 2 different people include same light into 2 zones

[ember river]

I don't see that much of an issue with that, we could all be sure that a lot of stuff will end up in wrong categories. It is just a matter of adapting the process organically after some kickstart

[tawny elk]

I was talking with the dev team at work, and they gave me the advice of making the [workflow] opinionated and favor a specific way to do things rather than try to accommodate everyone's way.

||I can't figure out how to word the relation to that here..||

[balmy chasm]

https://www.scribd.com/doc/263364208/Peta-Map-Need-For-Speed-Underground-2#
Okay, here's zone's list. Some indepth separation can be done a little later

[ember river]

Hey, I ended up screwing up lighting in the casino fountain while doing some mesh replacement tests, but I really like how it ended up looking. The thing is, it is really bright, like, the fog burns bright in the sky, but I like how light bounces off the purple ceiling and lights the ground and the bright fountains too. It'd awesome if some lighting artist could make it happen the right way

[tawny elk]

Say no more

[jade briar]

That's what the document is for

[balmy chasm]

As for garages, I'm using such naming right now:
garageLobby*(main menu)*
garageSpec
garageCar
garagePerf
garageBody
garageCareer*(career garage...)*

[jade briar]

So who's gonna fix my messed up mod.usda

[ember river]

For now, one thing I think would be important for us is to everyone work on their own personal .usda file, to avoid conflicts. I'm not really sure about the "git"ability of usda files yet, so if everyone only touch their own file, we avoid merging conflicts and naming conventions would be less of a problem and more of a organization hint

@tawny elk , you've been using git with it, is it working nicely?

[balmy chasm]

Wait wait. Isn't roof there like one total neon light?

[tawny elk]

Yes but emissive doesn't throw light

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, so you just set emissive to some 'clearly visible' value and illuminate its surface with rect lights

[tawny elk]

[tawny elk]

Ah I see what you mean now

[ember river]

I just tried that for the casino roof:
1 - It works, the roof does light up the road purple
2 - For some freakin reason it blinks 255 white in your face every half a second

[balmy chasm]

or light can be faced outwards :|

[balmy chasm]

Wait, I mean putting albedo map into Emissive mask

[tawny elk]

That animation it plays messes with the mat hash

[balmy chasm]

Oh god

[ember river]

That is what I mean

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, that's what Adam said

[tawny elk]

So if you capture all the different mat hashes it uses, I'd love to use emissive for all of them

[balmy chasm]

So I guess you just use an array of sphere lights to light up both roof and road

[tawny elk]

Needs more light at street level cause it feels super weird just having that bright roof

[ember river]

Wtf, I need to disable enhancements to do the capture, but then it stops blinking, which in turns means you need to have a really good timing sence to capture precisely when it swaps materials 🤔

[balmy chasm]

I'd make lights brighter. The level your headlights are merely visible

[tawny elk]

Yea I need to add more street level illumination to that stretch

[ember river]

Aight, I got lucky:
02D25411A759106F
0832E79968295639

[tawny elk]

All the supports with marque lights change mesh hashes

[safe patrol]

I made (actual hand-made) a replacement for one of those crappy roof light arrays that gets used all over the place. Starting work on the next one now

[tawny elk]

[safe patrol]

working on this one now
6C2A624D99A0A3E4

this one

[tawny elk]

That's the most abused texture in the whole game

Poor thing gets distorted like crazy

[safe patrol]

yeah gonna try and make something that looks halfway decent at 4k so it's less...crappy

[ember river]

I would say this region is more of a "glamour" colorful casino area. The yellow lights are everywhere else in the city. These ones seems pretty bright (more kelvins), and the purple ceiling is the finishing touch that makes it so iconic. Can't wait to take a magazine cover pic on it

[balmy chasm]

Sorry, nothing I can do about that

[ember river]

yeah the whole game is suffering from wah wah effect

[tawny elk]

I don't have vertex coloring in OV to compare to so I just typically use base whtie till I add color.

[balmy chasm]

Poor taxi on the left one

[safe patrol]

Dang. I found one that's like a perfect replacement on a texture site...sadly it's not free 😦

[tawny elk]

What hex color should the ceiling be?

[balmy chasm]

Bloody purple?

[tawny elk]

I've been eye balling it but I think I'm washing out the actual color

#E6334F

#E02E4A

[jade briar]

How's gitlab?

[tawny elk]

Why not github?

[jade briar]

idk Just wondering.

[ember river]

Soon, got distracted haha. Damnit adhd

Ahh, I've used the three: github, gitlab and bitbucket. They all have their pros and cons, but github ends up being the most famous and adopted, at least by open source projects

[tawny elk]

I’d suggest GitHub since we already have to have an account in order to get the CI builds

[ember river]

CI builds?

U already have something set up then?

[tawny elk]

No the RTX ones

I’m not quite sure what a CI build for mine would be since it’s all just text files

[safe patrol]

ok I haven't looked at it in game yet but give this a try.

oh and I screwed up the roughness map on the last one, here's the fixed version

fixed and cleaned up the emissives for the running lights in the casino area

In the case of the albedo, rough, and normal maps, you can point all 3 materials to the same file - they're identical.

the only one that's different is the emissives

ok here's a pack of the updated emissive lights all fixed up with a usda
https://www.mediafire.com/file/0uq4br7ewtg10tw/lights.7z/file

@tawny elk where's that gas station we were looking at the other day?

never mind, found where it is, I haven't unlocked that area on this save. Time to download one with everything unlocked...

[safe patrol]

I'm working on the red lights of the side of the roof now

[balmy chasm]

Is it bloom?

[safe patrol]

yeah that's just the emissives doing their thing.

[balmy chasm]

Also, Emissive Intensity 1.0 is config?

[spark moon]

can u guys why its not authoring layer and default layer

[safe patrol]

it might be 5, I'll have to check. I can certainly tone it down, I just wanted to test to make sure it worked

[balmy chasm]

Well, turntable and far-parts-stand are the only things that weren't sacrificed to the god of vertex color 🥲 also floor here is reuse from garageCareer

[tawny elk]

It'd be real nice to be able to edit the vertex colors

[balmy chasm]

Look at blue chunk of vertex color on the chain

[tawny elk]

Oh wait that was vertex colored? I thought it shared it with the neon tubes

[balmy chasm]

Sadge

[jade briar]

Man my mod.usda is fucked up pretty bad.

I think I should remake it.

Add everything again. Do things by following the rules set in the document

[balmy chasm]

Duh, I don't believe there is way to mess up a plain text document

[jade briar]

No it's just that it has been the same since I first started working on the project and was figuring things out. There's a lot of errors. Many textures depend on the captures folder.

I was learning. Made a bunch of mistakes.

[balmy chasm]

Check this out. Every Photoshop-icon-dds is the one referenced in OV. I can easily go about converting them. May be that's same for you

[ember cobalt]

i just learned about def vs over in usda files

[jade briar]

Educate me.

[ember cobalt]

def defines a replacement, whereas over will overwrite an existing thing from captures (iirc)

lemme find my source of knowledge

A def defines a prim, which, for most consumers of USD, equates to the prim being present on the stage and available for processing.
https://openusd.org/release/glossary.html#def

An over is the “weakest” of the three specifiers, in that it does not change the resolved specifier of a prim in a LayerStack even when an over appears in a stronger layer than a def or class for the same PrimSpec. Over is short for “override” or “compose over”, and its purpose is just to provide a speculative, neutral prim container for overriding opinions
https://openusd.org/release/glossary.html#usdglossary-over

i changed my script to use def by default, but i'm reconsidering that

Portal RTX almost exclusively uses def however, so i feel somewhat safe using it

[balmy chasm]

Better go with blur only

[safe patrol]

looks awesome

[jade briar]

God

I'm waiting for them to add uhh

What's it called

[tawny elk]

Mesh replacements?

[jade briar]

Depth of field

[tawny elk]

Thought that was already added?

[jade briar]

nope

[tawny elk]

||mark pls||

[tawny elk]

I know it's a joke

[jade briar]

I know it's a joke

[tawny elk]

[sage wraith]

Did you Add the usda Name to the mod.usda?

[ember river]

Guys, a repo we now have! 😉🙏
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix
Please send me your github username/emails to add as contributors to the project.
Those who don't know git or just don't want to use it, could still send stuff through discord and someone could pick it up and add properly to the repo.

• The README.md contains installation steps which you can try, just backup your stuff first, and tell me what isn't working to fix.
• I renamed mod.usda to uncle_burrito.usda and created a new mod.usda to reference it as a sublayer so now we have uncle_burrito, mod_lights and e-man as sublayers of mod.usda.
• It is all outdated with the stuff you have in your machines, so now I need your help to download the repo, add, commit and push everything so we can start working in sync.

[severe solstice]

[ember river]

Forgot to mention, it is using git lfs extension to manage large binary files like .dds and .usd (not .usda), which is really easy to install, and I had to upgrade my acc to Pro so we have enough storage to work with. It is 20GB afaik so our 500+MB will be safe for some while

And here we have our first release (the same file as pinned here on discord):
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/releases/tag/v0.2.0-alpha

I took the liberty to name it alpha since it is not production ready yet

[tawny elk]

So would I want to add a file/folder containing all my lights and then reference it in the main mod usda?

[jade briar]

https://github.com/UncleRito

[ember river]

Idk, I just did the kickstart. My idea was to make mod.usda a neutral layer, just to reference sublayers with actual content.

[tawny elk]

I’ll push my current usdas once I get back from the store

[ember river]

Invite Sent

[jade briar]

Hasn't shown up yet

[ember river]

Hmmmm common github

[jade briar]

That took a while

[tawny elk]

It won’t let me accept on mobile

[ember cobalt]

github's having a lot of issues the last 2 days

[safe patrol]

PM sent

[ember river]

I've added some protections to the main branch, so basically now it is only modifyable by opening and approving PRs. If that gets too much in the way we could discard some or all of it

[safe patrol]

ok so we should each have our own working branch then? sounds good

[ember river]

I think so, so that we know what each other is up to by branch/PR names/descriptions and avoid working on the same thing at the same time

[jade briar]

IF YOU SEE THAT AN ASSET IS ALREADY TWEAKED. DON'T TOUCH IT.

[tawny elk]

What if we have our own take on it? As in the variations of road textures?

[jade briar]

Host it on your own repo??

idk

[safe patrol]

I don't see why we can't have alternative texture packs in the official repo too. They just won't be default

[ember river]

There are plenty of ways to do that. Ex: Wetter roads could have their dedicated branch just like main, and we build two releases everytime, or the project itself could have alternative usda to load based on user preference, idk

[safe patrol]

exactly

[jade briar]

That could work

[ember river]

I'm planning to develop a mod launcher at some time, so a GUI would automate the installation, updates, alternatives, later on we could even have season events, snowy roads for xmas 👀

[safe patrol]

ok I'm pushing my initial commit to my branch

[sharp sinew]

Oh day time lighting branch!

[jade briar]

Season events

uh huuuuuuuh

[severe solstice]

sex event uhhhh

[sharp sinew]

#showcase message
Do it Mr burrito 🌯

[severe solstice]

[severe solstice]

#1103377328530276403 message

[jade briar]

When

Where

[severe solstice]

here

[jade briar]

[severe solstice]

[tawny elk]

[ember river]

I've got something wrong, the acc only had 1gb of LFS storage. The 20GB was something else. Now I've bought a data package upgrade and we should have 50GB

If someone tried to push something and got blocked, try again, should work now

[safe patrol]

ok first pull request is in

[jade briar]

Now I gotta learn github

[safe patrol]

hmm. Ok actually don't accept that merge. instead of creating one giant branch with all my stuff, I think it'll be better practice to merge it in piecemeal. That'll allow me to have better control over pushing stuff that's 100% ready and tested.

...and looks good

[safe patrol]

If you're new to the whole thing, I highly recommend using github desktop - it makes everything really easy.

[safe patrol]

ok, got a few categories uploaded and created pull requests for a few that are ready.

[ember river]

I'm not at home rn, forgot to check your priviledges

Well i can see an option for setting privileges so I think u should all be able to push, approve and merge your PRs

[tawny elk]

Approve my own PRs?

Finally, I can live the dream of a intern working in prod.

[severe solstice]

[ember river]

Ideally it is not the intent haha

[tawny elk]

I had a shower thought: Can my lighting “pack” be called ReSTIR level of lights?

[ember river]

Rip my 3060

[tawny elk]

If you set your preset to ultra and then to high and then back to ultra, you can gain fps for some reason.

[safe patrol]

No hurry, and I don't care if I can't approve my own pull requests

[tawny elk]

[ember river]

Hey @safe patrol , did you change the region barriers to white intentionally or was it a bug?

[ember river]

Just approved and merged all of them. It is all on the main branch now. Just renamed to game.usda file to world_sprites.usda, to better describe what it does. Later on we all could take some time to organize stuff. Lets just merge everything first 😉

[safe patrol]

Mark those as particles to make them display properly.

[safe patrol]

Sounds good. I'm done for tonight, I'll push a bunch more stuff in the morning

[safe patrol]

What are you showing me here?

[ember river]

Hahaa nothing, just burritos mexican restaurant

[tawny elk]

He should change it to uncle burritos.

[ionic prawn]

hello how to install the light mods??/

[safe patrol]

Check pins

[sage wraith]

The best you wait for an Update

[ionic prawn]

belotao vc descobriu como coloca as luzes de farol novas, to apanhando aqui

[ember river]

A parte dos farois ta com alguem aqui, tamo juntando as partes pra fica td num lugar só, aí qdo tiver juntado da pra lançar uma nova release ou te passo os arquivos prontos pra colar no game 👍

[ionic prawn]

tmk entao

pq to apanhando feio e seguindo o tuto dos pins o jogo fica todo escuro

[ember river]

Ta cheio de issues, mas tamo aos poucos reesolvendo

[ionic prawn]

ai sim

[balmy chasm]

Let me boot up my translator

[plain stag]

Its not becuase game load different pack of data when you go from Menu / to map Its must be Two merged files

[obsidian plover]

Hello,
thanks for the efford! Much work got into this mod!
If this is not a support topic, just ignore my posting.

• I just installed version 0.2.0 from the github page but after a few seconds on the world map my screen looks like in the screenshot. It seems like a light gets bounced indefinitely and turns brightness up to 11. When this happens the skydome also becomes black.
• The reflections of the cars are missing on world map and in garage. Is it normal?
• The huge arrow borders in racing event are completely translucent and are barely visible. Also the event entries themselves are really hard to see due to this transparency and its colored light source is missing.

I am using a RTX4090. The game works normally if I disable RTX (rename d3d9.dll).

Greetings

[dusty grove]

Temporary fix > disable RESTIR
#1103377328530276403 message

[mossy pelican]

I ask myself

What happens if you put a high quality car model such as cars converted from Forza / Gran Turismo and put in NFSU2 with RTX Remix

[surreal ruin]

You end up with stolen assets and can't distribute the mod, that's what 🙂

[mossy pelican]

i mean

As independent mod

If i was experimenting myself with mods

[surreal ruin]

Well, mesh replacement tools aren't available yet, and the current process of actually replacing models is an insane pain in the ass

So nobody is doing it

But once the tools ARE out, I suppose you could do that

[mossy pelican]

I think it would look awesome in theory at least

[surreal ruin]

You have to consider though that the games you mentioned rely on shaders to make sure everything looks good, from car paint to lights and windows etc right

Remix doesn't have shaders

So you would still need to do a lot of manual work and tweaking to the cars to make them look decent

[jade briar]

Mmm. I love waking up at 5 pm

[mossy pelican]

09:54am here

[tawny elk]

EST

[ember river]

Which settings do you use in Create so the lights shows just like they would in game? Mine only shows pitch black. I have to bump emission to like, 5 to start to see something 🤔

[tawny elk]

Turns out

ISO 0.0

[ember river]

wut

[tawny elk]

Don't ask questions, I had it at ISO 10,000 before trying to match it

But

ISO 0.0 looks like it's closer

[ember river]

no, idk what is ISO haha

[tawny elk]

Camera sensitivity

[balmy chasm]

Ye, I have left some tips on that in document, but not sure if it is optimal

[ember river]

I couldn't find the panel settings menu u said

[tawny elk]

It's really not, I typically add all my lights in OV and then adjust them side by side with the game running

[jade briar]

@ember river Have you replaced all the road textures yet?

[ember river]

Nope, stopped real quick to work on that main tunnel to the west of city center rn, planning to move to next roads soon

[balmy chasm]

I have no idea how to reference it in other way .-.

[jade briar]

I'm gonna remake my usda soon. I'll use your road textures.

[ember river]

Oooooh I might've been dump. Didn't realised the full path Render Settings panel/Renderer ~ Interactive (Path Tracing)/Post Processing/Tone Mapping: cm^2 Factor: 10-800

[balmy chasm]

Oh, I see. Both ISO and factor adjust brightness

[ember river]

How are you doing with git, getting the hang of it? I could walk you through some basics to get your work going

[balmy chasm]

I need some guide .-.

[jade briar]

I just woke up. I'm trying to figure out my physical form right now.

[ember river]

Think I should write a doc explaining the concepts and practical usage then 🤔

[jade briar]

You should.

Tho I think you guys did put my mod files in github

[sweet ingot]

OOOH where's this?

Is it in Fort Union?

[balmy chasm]

@ember river Also why rtx-default is not matching real defaults? :harold:

[ember river]

Yeah, it is now called uncle_burrito.usda, and is referenced by mod.usda (which is now a neutral file that only contains references to sublayers)

Hmm I think I might've copied mine instead of the one downloaded from the .rar release :/

[balmy chasm]

Also, any default value just doesn't appear in there

[tawny elk]

I would suggest using a default rtx-conf. I worry that there's a lot issues stemming up from it being modified.

[balmy chasm]

Thanks god we have Reset button which resets everyting to factory defaults

[ember river]

Feel free to change it, I wasn't really using any optimal settings. I left it out of git so everyone could have their own setting, like free cam position and so on

[balmy chasm]

But things like AE, scene scale, etc should be included either way

[ember river]

Yeah I really don't know what would work best. Maybe we should include it in .gitignore just like dxvk.conf

[balmy chasm]

Adam, have you done that hierarchy stuff?

[tawny elk]

[tawny elk]

I can share my .gitignore, it's setup to work for the game folder

https://github.com/adamplayer/Underground2RTX/blob/main/.gitignore

[tawny elk]

How about an rtx.conf with ultra preset and the associated textures marked?

[balmy chasm]

Yea, textures is a must have either

[tawny elk]

Is this going to be setup to live in the game folder or just a folder off to the side?

The .gitignore makes me think it wants to live in the game folder

[balmy chasm]

I've put repo into the separate folder 👀

[ember river]

It is already setup to work with the game folder, it only tracks the same files as the release .rar provides. The only exception is the rtx.conf because of that personal detail I mentioned

the README.md explains how to install it properly

[tawny elk]

My bad

[ember river]

it should be setup so the .gitignore file will be right next to speed.exe

[tawny elk]

Am I able to symlink my usda's into the repo

Yes I can

[balmy chasm]

What symlink means?

[tawny elk]

Symbolic link

It makes it so a file appears in two locations

[balmy chasm]

first day using github

[tawny elk]

@ember river should I create a Lights folder and place my USDA(s) there? I don't wanna clutter up the main folder

[balmy chasm]

Naming 👍

[ember river]

Well, for now it doesn't have too much of an organization, we're just merging stuff to get something going. Later on we will have to take that time to structure the hierarchy stuff, personal usda files, etc.

[tawny elk]

Gotcha. Do I want to make changes using pull requests or make a branch...?

[safe patrol]

I'm doing my best to structure stuff well as I'm adding them. Adam, I would suggest creating a lights folder and then having subfolders for city regions.

Make a branch for the specific area you're working in, then merge from there.

[tawny elk]

It's for the rtx.conf, it doesn't have the scenescale set

[balmy chasm]

Does it mean we would have hundreds of branches?

[safe patrol]

potentially, but we can delete branches after merging if they're complete.

but it's good practice.

[balmy chasm]

Can I push something without creating branch?

[safe patrol]

@ember river I put in a pull request from the Wet Roads branch. This one's important because it takes Uncle Burrito's roads and reformats them into our proper organization and naming scheme, plus removing references to the capture directory.

[balmy chasm]

Also what is happening when I switch between branches in app? It takes so long...

[ember river]

Great. Doest it replaces the textures already present in the mod? I mean, the new ones I did. If the idea is to keep two alternate versions, we would need to chose which one will be in the main branch and which one will be on a alternate branch later

[ember river]

.dds files are huge. The repository is setup to use a large file storage server to upload .dds, so it takes a little while to download and upload stuff

[balmy chasm]

I hope there is no need for checking other branches in future .-.

[ember river]

Rn it is not possible. The idea is that every change gets a chance to be reviewed by someone (preferably not the author of the change) before being merged again

[safe patrol]

I haven't updated it with your new ones yet. I figure let's get these in so it's functional and then we'll create a new branch with your asphalt. We can keep both branches active for people who want the choice.

[ember river]

Aight, is just that if this PR gets merged it will override the ones I created that are already in the main branch. I'd suggest to just leave the textures in another directory without being referenced by the usda files, and then create a special usda files to reference then, just to not lose the .dds files

[safe patrol]

I didn't know you already put your updated stuff in the main branch.

[dapper root]

Hey guys, I just followed the youtube tutorial on installing the RTX Remix mod on UG2 but when I launch SPEED2.exe, nothing RTX occurs. Just normal game.

[safe patrol]

check pins

[dapper root]

Ok thanks

Hmm I don't see anything that refers to the issue I'm having... might you be able to point me to the right message?

[balmy chasm]

Wait. But we have layer priority. That means you can just add everything into .usda on the last position and everything which is present in the top layers will be displayed no issues
top layer displays first, that's it

[safe patrol]

let's create a roads branch with your textures, but organized in the same way as the wet roads branch. Then we'll merge yours so it's default, and all someone has to do to use the alternative roads is to copy the files from the other branch.

In fact I just created a roads branch based from wet roads. Put your textures there and we'll pull that instead of wet-roads.

[tawny elk]

||Man this is confusing||

[dapper root]

Ikr

[balmy chasm]

Adam, have you finished hierarchy? :D

[tawny elk]

No not yet, I had to figure out how to symlink so I can keep my repo.

[safe patrol]

I know it kinda sucks but I really think this will benefit us all in the long run

[balmy chasm]

Let me give it a try. I'll do that in document

[safe patrol]

I just created a separate directory for git and my working directory. That way I can checkout a branch, copy the stuff from my working directory into it, and then push to git without worrying about messing any of my current stuff up.

trying to do it all directly in your game directory might be a bad idea.

[tawny elk]

For how my workflow works it's not bad to use the game folder, but all these branches and such aren't really compatible with my workflow.

[dapper root]

My poor RTX 2060 Super is struggling haha 🤣
BTW what would be the recommended GPU for RTX remix projects? When I had a 3070 laptop, the performance wasn't very impressive on Portal RTX.

[ember river]

Sry, sometimes I zone out, I'm wrintting the git doc. Alright, about the roads textures, I think the best approach would be to use a .usda file with burrito's wetter roads version instead of dedicating another branch for that, and upon release build we make two .zip files with different arrange of layers in mod.usda

[safe patrol]

completely up in the air right now with how new this all is and how fast it's changing.

[dapper root]

Yeah I have to say, this is quite remarkable

Very good job everyone!

[safe patrol]

we can still provide two different .zip files - my reasoning for having them in different branches is so we can keep them named the same thing so there isn't a risk of duplicates

[ember river]

I see. The problem is we have to maintain two "main" branches updated, merging PRs on both main and "main-wetter". With usda it should be easier to automate via a build script or just manually rearranging the usda and stuff

[safe patrol]

ok. Yeah I was just hoping to avoid having to worry about modifying the mod.usda file to ensure which one you're using, but I see your point. I'm fine either way.

I'll create a wet_roads directory and point the wet_roads.usda to it for burrito's texture, and we'll just not reference that in the current default mod.usda.

You should still use the roads branch I created to put properly named updated versions of your textures in and merge that for default.

[ember river]

Oh and about the game folder, don't worry, it is the purpose of using git, and the .gitignore is all setup to only mess with the mod files. I already hoped between your branches before and the game keeps working fine 👍

Great

[safe patrol]

Good to know. I tend to like to keep it separate personally just for extra security and piece of mind, but I'm pretty weird and I know it.

[balmy chasm]

@safe patrol Your emissives are not just .._emissive maps... That means you have upscaled and generated all other maps for material?

[safe patrol]

yes it's required for how remix works, as mentioned in our document

[balmy chasm]

That means your emissives basically cover most of the map materials?

[safe patrol]

if I created an emissive for something, I did my best to create a workable roughness and normal map for it.

[bright hedge]

time for u to learn russian then xD

[tawny elk]

Figuring it out

Will I need to copy another branch to get all of count's textures?

[ember river]

Rn there are a few new open PRs that need to be reviewed and merged, Yesterday count sent 3 PRs and I've already merged them. The new 3 I'm not sure what will happen, might take a look at it soon

[safe patrol]

Most of my stuff is getting merged in main. If you created another branch before they were merged, you can merge from main to your branch to get up to date

[tawny elk]

I added fog lights

[safe patrol]

I've got a bunch of work I need to do on my headlights and taillights branches before I do a pull for them. If you want to add them manually in the meanwhile, you can just grab those directories and USDA files from those branches

[safe patrol]

Neat!

[balmy chasm]

Don't you use them when it is foggy?

[tawny elk]

I'm meticulous about my lights, so I'll probably do them all by hand myself

[safe patrol]

Those tail lights might be a bit much - unless you're breaking they're pretty dim and don't cast much actual light

[safe patrol]

Suit yourself

[tawny elk]

They don't really cast that much light in the game tbh. OV is (still) bad at representing what the game will look like

Even with the new found ISO 0.0

[balmy chasm]

ISO 100 default?

[tawny elk]

I think

But after begging for a reson why, Mark got a rant out of one of the render devs that there's some floating point math going on that causes it to be something wild like ISO 10,000 in remix.

[balmy chasm]

Oh yeah-yeah, that's for sure

Can someone briefly explain which folder is referencing to which usda? 🥲

It even got lights somehow

[ember river]

They're not exactly organized in usda per folder. The folders are describing regions, objects, stuff like that on their own. There might be some usda that span on multiple folders

[balmy chasm]

Oh, what's the content of 'world sprites' and 'lights'?

[ember river]

@safe patrol

[safe patrol]

Lights are building or world lights that have emissives

World sprites are game things like arrows, locked area barriers, race makers, etc. Things that aren't UI but are placed in the game world without being part of the world.

[balmy chasm]

Have you guys checked how many road materials there are? Is it over 20?

[ember river]

Alright guys, I've written a quick introduction which points to a 15min video explaining the basics of git. I've watched the whole video myself, and even though it uses only the command line, I'd recommend to use the Git GUI, which is much more intuitive after you understand the concepts.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tc39pI6U0N9j4Ljyt-92nGa04Jv9BdRYZQBwbGphGjU/edit?usp=sharing

If anyone would like to contribute to it, please pm me ur email so I can add as contributor to the doc.

If anyone are still confused, feel free to pm me or even join a voice chat to get things working 😉

[balmy chasm]

Now when you're free, check document please

@tawny elk And you please. Have you been talking about such structure?

[ember river]

We were talking roughly around those messages about the structure

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, based on this message

[safe patrol]

In case anyone needs the link again, if you're new to git or otherwise averse to command-line work.
https://desktop.github.com/

[dapper root]

Hey guys, what programming language do we use for rtx remix?

[tawny elk]

I’ve uploaded a first shot at structure to my branch and repo

[balmy chasm]

You added RX7 lights to the Global?

[tawny elk]

Yes, I think I might add sub section like 110_Cars though now that you say that.

[balmy chasm]

Your thoughts on my take?

[tawny elk]

I'd suggest adding numbers to the front of your catagories. So Lights are 1000, buildings are 1100, Jacksonheights03 is 1130 etc.

That way instead of saying the file is in folder Thing2/Foobar5/Thing.usda

It's in 1130

[balmy chasm]

Well, assigning numbers to them will shorten naming a lot

[ember river]

There is not much programming regarding rtx remix modding. So far we've been doing texture and lighting work, so we make textures in the .dds format, and setup lighting as well as other mod stuff using Omniverse Create/Usd Composer. Usd being the Pixar format for universaly describing and sharing 3D scenes
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/omniverse/apps/create/

[tawny elk]

No, don't get rid of the actual name, just append the number

[balmy chasm]

I think of just adding a number in brackets

[tawny elk]

That works

My work has a massive file structure for projects and having the numbers helps a ton

[balmy chasm]

It will be 8-digit number actually, no need for any signs

[tawny elk]

Can you break down what each digit will signify?

8 digits seems like a lot

[balmy chasm]

01011601 for lights/buildings/garages/garageLobby
like that

[tawny elk]

Ah I gotcha

Works for me 👍

If anyone wants to play cartographer, here's a basemap taken from nfsmods that we can transfer the labels to

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, I'll do the thing and update it in the document. I'll use .pdf for vector image

[tawny elk]

Make sure to prepend the numbers so that way they sort properly

[balmy chasm]

hm?

[jade briar]

Don't ask me why I'm not working on need for speed. I got sidetracked.

[tawny elk]

So it's 01_Lights.usda not Lights_01.usda

If you append it with the numbers, it'll be alphabetically sorted.

[balmy chasm]

I will retain brackets. Just to make sure people understand where the cypher and name is

[severe solstice]

[balmy chasm]

'nodders' is for no? :D

[tawny elk]

No it's nodding yes. Just make sure the numbers come before the letters and it will sort nicely

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, works fine

[tawny elk]

You could write a script to do it for you by the way

[balmy chasm]

I'm a script god

[tawny elk]

Are we able to get a _ between the numbers and the string?

[balmy chasm]

'usdaFolder' sounds fine?

[obsidian plover]

A bit OT but is it normal that the game crashes on every 2nd loading screen? I set CPU affinity to 1 core and even turning off auto save does not help. This is a major problem for me... :/

[tawny elk]

Yes I don't know why. The key is to speed through it [to the game world] as soon the game launches and then it's fine

[obsidian plover]

Damn, thanks!

[balmy chasm]

I changed to 'usda' simply

010323.usda
That's RX7 lights

[tawny elk]

Can it be 010323_RX7.usda?

[ember river]

For some probably stupid reason, my game is crashing now, but I runs again if I delete .trex/NvRemixBridge.log file? wtf?

[tawny elk]

When doing that, you don't need the key to what each element is in the structure on a user level

[tawny elk]

Prob file permission is my guess.

[balmy chasm]

You would either way look at this structure while searching what name means. You get RX7 repeats in few categories

[tawny elk]

The number diferenates the versions of RX7 though.

So there's 020323_RX7 and 01032_RX7

So that's 01_Lights\0103_Cars\010332_RX7?

[balmy chasm]

I'm afraid about its 3rd level of structure. If any 4th level appear, it would look like 020323_RX7_04

[tawny elk]

You can keep adding levels that's the beauty. So if you need 4 rx7's is 02032301_RX7 thru 02032304_RX7

And it'll look fine in the structure

[balmy chasm]

What about other categories?

[tawny elk]

As in there's 4 mats for a mesh, but only one light?

[balmy chasm]

Wait wait wait. What if you put like 3 categories into RX7 named Spoiler, Bumper, Headlight. What would you call it after?

Just as example. Some random man can prioritise Bumper over RX7

[tawny elk]

Hm I see what you mean

[balmy chasm]

Number hell as it is ;D

[tawny elk]

01_lights
    0101_buildings
        010101_jacksonHeights01
        010102_jacksonHeights02```

Is that the structure you're thinking of in general?

[balmy chasm]

I think of negating signs, only numbers

[tawny elk]

Lemme think about this. I think in that case it'd be better to have the text after it.

[balmy chasm]

Like in my case, the KEY word for naming is on 4th level of structure, while for RX7 it is on 3rd

[tawny elk]

    0103_cars
        010301_240SX
            010301_MyCoolCar
```?

[balmy chasm]

May be sign naming after 3rd level may help. 02032304_RX7_Bumper and 01011601_garage_garageLobby

[tawny elk]

Ah so like

    0103_cars
        010301_240SX
            010301_240SX-MyCoolCar

[balmy chasm]

Yeah

[ember river]

Thx. I installed in C since is the only partition I have. Just gave myself the ownership to the folder, restarted the system and is working again

[tawny elk]

The path for it will describe each level though just a heads up.

So the car for example

[ember river]

Hey, I haven't been catching up with the chat. What are you guys cooking up on that structure thing?

[tawny elk]

01_Lights/0103_cars/010301_240SX/010301_240SX-MyCoolCar

[tawny elk]

Figuring out where to put things in the repo

[balmy chasm]

I don't think we should erase some numbers. In case someone use like 5 and more structure levels in the future, he may have a chance to just type in numbers, without a need to add like 4 strings in the end

[dapper root]

Interesting. Do you think it would be good on a portfolio ? (if i decide working on it too)

[balmy chasm]

But it will be fun to search file called like 01020201161501.usda

[ember river]

Surely. That is what I'm doing btw. Many of the stuff you do here can be used on your an artstation, github, whatever. It is all opensource already. Just make sure to credit the right person for the right things

[tawny elk]

But if you add the string you can search for both?

[ember river]

I dont get the usage of those numbers

[balmy chasm]

0102_RX7-bumper-front-leftSide-modded.usda
hm?

[tawny elk]

This is a good brief on it: https://johnnydecimal.com/10-19-concepts/11-core/11.01-introduction/ Note would not suggest the decimal point part imo if windows is the primary base

[balmy chasm]

check out document

So what do you think would be better?
01020201161501.usda
0102_RX7-bumper-front-leftSide-modded.usda

[dapper root]

Shiiii alright. I'll see if I can find some free time to sacrifice 😎

[tawny elk]

You combine them both. 01020201161501_RX7-bumper-front-leftSide-modded.usda

[balmy chasm]

Fine

[tawny elk]

I'm not sure how we're getting down to that many levels though.

[balmy chasm]

We don't know how Mesh hell will go

[tawny elk]

Ooohhh I get what you mean now

I think that'll be bridge better to cross when we find out.

[ember river]

Sounds really cool. Maybe we could create a README.md in the usda folder to document sort of an index to that

Beware that if sorting is a concern, in string comparison: 10 < 9

[balmy chasm]

That's why I use 01 instead 👍

[ember river]

Awesome, check the README for our repo to get started, as well as the pinned messages and tutorials at #1095534398134300682 . What are you good at?
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix

[balmy chasm]

Actually it will be great to either port everything grom Document to your Readme or leave a link to the document

[ember river]

I like Markdown much better than docs. They're a smooth almost WYSIWYG text file with cool options for formatting, presenting code snippets, linking stuff, collapse sections and much more. Even plain HTML can embbeded in them

@safe patrol are you using this PR? https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/9 Should we delete it?

Seems to have no changes at all

[safe patrol]

uh...that might have been a mistake. You can delete it if so

[balmy chasm]

@safe patrol check out the document for hierarchy section

[safe patrol]

ok I'll go through and update naming

hmm. for textures there's very few that are unique to any specific location - most of them are reused all over the place

[balmy chasm]

We will need to figure that out 🥲 As for garages I'm confident of this many folders, because textures there are mostly unique

[safe patrol]

garages yes, but most of the world textures aren't unique

[balmy chasm]

If you feel like that's too much, you can shrink folder to Stages. I refer to those which game progression based on

[ionic prawn]

ja ta pronto o beta
???

[safe patrol]

I really feel like the only practical way to organize textures is by category or material type instead of location

[ember river]

Hey @safe patrol , I'm looking at the "stone" PR and can't find where in the map I can see them

[jade briar]

Alright boys. I've been contacted by NV Nyle. He asked for some RTX on vs off screenshots that he could share them with the press. I want you guys to assemble all the good mod.usda files, so I can make some screenshots.

There's no promises that they'll be actually shared.

[ember river]

Sweet! i'm almost finishing reviewing and merging all count's stuff. Would be nice the have more stuff to put together if anyone is hiding stuff over there 👀

[tawny elk]

I have way more lights that haven't been added

[jade briar]

Adam, brother, please separate your lights

[tawny elk]

Easier said than done

[safe patrol]

That's the other problem with trying to categorize by location. Sometimes I find things in my capture directory that is an easy or obvious replacement texture but I don't necessarily know where in the city it got added

[ember river]

I see. One advice I'd give is to always try to visualize how the texture is meant to look like, specially in PBR workflow, so you get things like scale, roughness, normals and colors all right 😉
Anyway, nothing is broken, just some new replacements, I'll merge and proceed to vegetation which is the last

[tawny elk]

Is there a specific category you'd like broken out first?

[safe patrol]

Right - for the most part I try and match the scale of the original textures and then as I'm driving around if I find things that look off I can try to resize or adjust it. A lot of the original textures are sized horribly.

Also, if anyone finds a texture that's been replaced but the scale is way off, please create a bug report in git and assign it to me with a screenshot and map location so I can fix it

[ember river]

Sized horribly, idk what ur talking about. I love the hand rails and fences taller then a Hummer H3

[jade briar]

I want your misc lights, like the ones on the gas station, and the ones in the garages.

[ember cobalt]

are each of you working on separate areas in the game?

[safe patrol]

Only for lights right now

[ember river]

Who has got the complete headlights pack?

[safe patrol]

For textures we're a bit more scattered

[safe patrol]

Lights or emissives?

[ember cobalt]

yeah, that makes sense

[tawny elk]

Okay I'll see what I can do.

[ember river]

Both, if possible. Would be a great addition to drive around and debug stuff, specially in places not yet contemplated with light

[safe patrol]

Actually, I have both. I'll make a brach for the actual lights and Adam can add what he's been working on to it

[tawny elk]

I already added a lighting branch

[tawny elk]

Any other locations you want touched up by hand? I don't mind putting prority on certain locations if you have any in mind.

[ember river]

Hey, one advice about branch and stuff, try to always rebase your branches with main, to any new commits someone else merges into main ends up at the bottom of your branch. That way we keep the commits of a feature all next to eachother and is easier to merge later

[jade briar]

To be hones, anything that doesn't overrite Hellraven's lights.

Speaking of

[safe patrol]

Oh for car headlights? Sweet I'll add the other pack to there then

[jade briar]

Where did he go

[tawny elk]

Hasn't he only done roadways pretty much?

[jade briar]

Yes.

Well, I just sent him one screenshot. I'll wait for you guys to do stuff with the usdas

Almost 20k

[elfin beacon]

Treat?

[tawny elk]

I broke the most of the lights down into some more specific usdas: https://github.com/adamplayer/Underground2RTX

[jade briar]

Mere lun ka choopa laga whi treet ho gi.

[jade briar]

Thx

[elfin beacon]

🥲

Which language?

[jade briar]

bsdk

Madarhod

Github is being funny

[tawny elk]

Anyone have any suggestions on where to put some attention on lighting wise?

[ember river]

@tawny elk will you send those to https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix or will keep them on yours for now?

[tawny elk]

My memory of this game is fuzzy so I don't remember lots of the cool locations anymore

[tawny elk]

I have that lighting branch that's symlinked to my repo on my local machine

[ember river]

The beacon hills garden, maybe?

[tawny elk]

That greenhouse?

I'll give it a shot. Can't promise much since greenhouses are just massive windows

[jade briar]

Ih yeah. That'd look cool. Once someone replaces the glass texture.

[ember river]

Ohhh I see. Thx

[ember river]

I'll merge it into main, although it is outdated from what you've showed in the pic

[safe patrol]

@tawny elk What's the name of the branch you've put your headlight stuff in?

[tawny elk]

||lighting||

[safe patrol]

oh

[tawny elk]

I have my own sort of categorization as a stopgap right now before I make it compatiable with the new structure

[tawny elk]

It's the RX7 and the Peugeot so don't get too excited

[ember river]

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/22

[safe patrol]

ok for now I think I will just put the car headlights into their own branch and you can put stuff there after you've broken them out.

[ember river]

Actually, instead of merging the branch, I'll keep it open and just hand copy the files to a new short lived branch to merge into main to avoid merging and continuing with the branch alive

[tawny elk]

Yea I'd prefer to keep a branch for mine going since I update it quite a lot and it spreads through a lot of the categories. I don't want to have to make a branch for each individual category quite yet.

[safe patrol]

however you want to do it is fine with me. Already made the branch and pull request for it though because I didn't see this until after I was done

[jade briar]

@tawny elk Whats special?

And global

[tawny elk]

Global applies everywhere

[jade briar]

And special?

[tawny elk]

Haven't figured out what I want to do with it quite yet.

[jade briar]

So is it empty?

[tawny elk]

I have my mainmenu lights in it currently

[ember river]

You'll review and merge it? Just don't forget to rebase with main cz I just merged vegetation

[jade briar]

What's the file with specific lights in it?

Like the uhhhhhhhhhhhh

Fuck

What's it called?

Gas

Station

[tawny elk]

It's in coalharbor

[jade briar]

So do any of the files have streetlights in them?

[safe patrol]

yeah I can rebase it

[jade briar]

Like any that might replace the ones made by hellraven?

[tawny elk]

I have no idea which ones hellraven has done.

[jade briar]

Basically all streetlights in city ctr, and the mountains.

[tawny elk]

You can just turn off everything besides the ones you want

[jade briar]

Yeah but for that I have to know which ones you have replaced.

[tawny elk]

Visually? You can see that there's light sources on top of each other typically

[jade briar]

right

Alright. Who added all the car lights?

[severe solstice]

[safe patrol]

I was about to but git is freaking out. One min.

I wasn't the one who did it, I just have the mod file

[ember river]

Want some help?

[safe patrol]

oh the branch is closed? Did you do that?

on never mind, I'm dumb

was looking at the wrong thing. Ok one sec.

[ember river]

Rebasing should be as simple as:

git checkout main
git fetch
git reset --hard origin/main
git checkout headlight-lights
git rebase main

[safe patrol]

yep I don't know what I screwed up but I fixed it. New pull request is in for player car headlights

I'll rebase all the rest of my WIP branches as soon as that's merged

[ember river]

ur working on it or want me to review and merge?

[safe patrol]

it's ready, go ahead

we really need to get burrito's usda out of there because it's referencing a bunch of stuff that no longer exists (not to mention stuff from the capture directory). We could just merge the road branch so stuff is at least functional and then you can replace the roads with your asphalt stuff in that branch and re-merge at your leasure.

[jade briar]

YES.

Also is the car lights usda merged?

[safe patrol]

not yet

[ember river]

merged

[safe patrol]

now it is

[jade briar]

Okay thx

What is it called?

[ember river]

player_car_lights.usda

[ember river]

For when do you need the screenshots? Cause I've been focusing on reworking some iconic places in the city center to get screenshots like that, like the west tunnel to the beacon hills bridge, the casino + fountain and so on

[safe patrol]

it's already referenced in mod.usda too

[jade briar]

I'll keep taking screenshots and send them as I make until tomorrow.

[jade briar]

You made the emissives for the player car lights, right?

Another question is what does this file do?

[safe patrol]

yeah but that's not merged into main yet

I can focus on getting that updated so you can have that too

traffic is emissives for traffic

[jade briar]

Can you send it directly, because that doesn't seem like too much work. I want to get started with taking screenshots.

ahhhhhh

That's what I needed.

[safe patrol]

you can just grab them from the headlights and tail lights branches

they work, there's just a few that are missing emissives that I've been trying to get done before merging with main

[tawny elk]

What happened to my headlights?

[jade briar]

Well. If you prefer yours

Then host them in your repo?

[tawny elk]

Me?

[jade briar]

Yes.

[tawny elk]

Everything is hosted in my repo?

[jade briar]

Then why u ask about urs?

[tawny elk]

Cause they broke (again) in game somehow.

[jade briar]

Ahhh.

[jade briar]

Typical Need For Speed: Underground 2 Remix™ moment

[tawny elk]

It's like any light source keeps getting set at 1 intensity?

(That's too big of a preview my b)

[jade briar]

@ember river I'll wait till you add the textures that you've been planning to. After that, I'll delete my rtx-remix folder and install the version on github so that I also have the latest changes without bugging everyone to send me one.

Also Counts emmisives.

[tawny elk]

I'm going to lose my god damn mind

[ember cobalt]

i thought you did last week

[tawny elk]

More so than usual

Even if I add a light it doesn't read the intensity or exposure properly

[jade briar]

Adam Player. The master of God's brightest lights.

[tawny elk]

I don't think any of those are mine

[ember cobalt]

what if you change it to over instead of def?

[jade briar]

I only added yours

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[tawny elk]

Have you set your exposure to 0.75?

[jade briar]

Using ae

[tawny elk]

Is it the default -4.5 to 3?

[tawny elk]

No change

[ember cobalt]

that's very odd

i haven't had that happen

btw i'm gonna make a script that can adjust all of the intensity values in a usda file with a given percentage, like 75% or whatever. might be able to help here if any if your guys' light configs are too far apart from each other

[ember cobalt]

can i unpin this post, and delete the attachment? since it's mirrored on github

[jade briar]

yes

[ember cobalt]

mm that github page isn't pinned yet

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[tawny elk]

Set your AE min to 0 or something

I've gone through and had to redo all my lighting to make it work with 0.75 exposure. I don't know what else to do for you here.

[jade briar]

[severe solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[tawny elk]

If you send me the mesh id's or names of the lights, I can see if I missed them when converting to the standard exposure if you'd like.

[jade briar]

So @tawny elk

Looks like you missed this light

[tawny elk]

The one on the wall?

[jade briar]

Yes

[tawny elk]

Mark the "glare" texture as ignore

[tawny elk]

I've also yet to work on those areas so I'm not surpised that if I missed it as well.

[jade briar]

It is.

[tawny elk]

Looks like the light source I have marked as "railyardcanopy"

[jade briar]

hmm

We need to set up a standard for light values.

Your lights are also wayyyyy too warm

Also

[safe patrol]

ok pull request put in for headlight emissives

[jade briar]

Where tf is he

@cloud crypt

u alive?

[safe patrol]

starting on tail lights

[cloud crypt]

Yes... but currently no time, work fucks me up

[jade briar]

Take your time.

[tawny elk]

How do you suggest that works? We already have a fixed exposure.

[jade briar]

Hmmm

For one. I'm very satisfied with how Hell's lights turned out.

So look at his values

And make your lights less warm pls. Looks like someone pissed on my screen.

[tawny elk]

They're normal color temperatures?

I don't know where Hell's lights are. Did he add them to the repo?

[jade briar]

I think they made their way in

They were a part of version 0.2

This is basically perfect.

[elfin beacon]

Yes

[jade briar]

Alright. I will go to bed now. Try to get your github changes finalized by the time I wake up. I will make screenshots for Nyle when I wake up. I will be afk for a few days after that so if you want your changes to be in game, then now's your chance.

No pressure tho.

Unless

[tawny elk]

Is it the color temp? The distribution...? You have to give me more than my lights are bad, and then show me a different take on the game.

[jade briar]

I'm literally telling you to go and study hellraven's lights

[elfin beacon]

Nice song buddy.

[jade briar]

ok.

[elfin beacon]

Name plz

forgot it

[jade briar]

Forgor

[elfin beacon]

nah seriously.

[jade briar]

I said

I forgor

[tawny elk]

I'm not really interested in just copying his entire style. What about it that makes it stand out? What's so bad about my lighting in comparison?

[elfin beacon]

Studio Gangsters

[elfin beacon]

thank you

[severe solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/got-to-go-to-work-work-work-work-work-it-working-hard-gif-15387364

[jade briar]

It is just too damn saturated. If you look at the original, it wasn't like that. The low saturation on the lights looks quite nice to me. Hold on.

[tawny elk]

Here's 5000k

[ember cobalt]

is done: https://github.com/Kim2091/RTXRemixTools/tree/main/LightAdjuster

can adjust intensity and color temperature

[severe solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[jade briar]

I don't remember the exact values that hellraven is using, but it looks good.

Also. Can you try to drop the lights angles down a little so there's separation between where one light ends and other starts. I assume you're using spot/cone lights.

[tawny elk]

Not really. I like how they're spaced now.

I can try making them have a bit more falloff between poles but it's not going to look like Hell's

[jade briar]

I would really love if they do, to be honest

It looks so nice.

[severe solstice]

lights on url races when 🙏

[tawny elk]

It looks super cavernous with Hell's falloffs, and that's just not the look I'm going for.

[safe patrol]

ok both headlight and tail light emissives have been updated, pushed to git, and I made a pull request for each. As soon as those are merged you should be good to go with them @jade briar