NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[cloud crypt]

yes it is, also have it as DDS

[cerulean summit]

converting to dds is simple enough. Have a look at these, they can be made darker and tonemapped. I quite like 'Belfast sunset'

otherwise, what you've got already is good

[cloud crypt]

here is the file to mod the sky

Dont replace your mod usda, Import your mod usda to the mod usda in the file. Rename yours first

[cerulean summit]

you want me to give it a shot then?

I'm gunna have to go once I finish the textures I'm on atm, but I'll give it a shot later

[cloud crypt]

because This isnt what you want xD

[cerulean summit]

thats not an issue with the hdri, its being projected wrong

are you wrapping it onto the existing skydome?

[cloud crypt]

its a game issue, thats why i said it wont work

[cerulean summit]

nah, its a UV thing. The skydome has UVs that don't align with proper hdri projection. Even a pure sky hdri would be distorted unless its made for it

no worries, I can fix that though

[thorny pawn]

you can just map it differently

[cerulean summit]

or you can distort the texture to match. I dont know how to change mapping or models with remix but I do know textures...

[thorny pawn]

is there btw no dlss 3 support yet?

[cloud crypt]

wait

[cerulean summit]

it gives me the blanked out option, I assumed thats cos I wasnt 40 series

[thorny pawn]

weird, i'm on a 4070 and i dont even get the option o.O used it in portal rtx, but it's early days anyways

[cerulean summit]

@jade briar did you do the cobble arches texture?

[vague sparrow]

they removed it due to problems, it will be added soon

[frail quarry]

I've been following the guide for the RTX Remix, and I've made it to the step that says "Download the zip at the end of the message and put it in your main game directory." but I don't know where to find the main game directory. I've searched through my Dolphin Emulator files and can't seem to find it.

[jade briar]

Yes

[jade briar]

If there's a file for it

[cerulean summit]

this is a shot in the dark, but is it a poliigon texture?

[thorny pawn]

You need the PC version of the game 🙂

[frail quarry]

That sucks

[cloud crypt]

skybox handles it weird

[cerulean summit]

which is impossible to get... without...

[surreal ruin]

Buying a physical copy

[cerulean summit]

precisely

[cloud crypt]

yes, its without my lights, just for test

[cerulean summit]

Which texture is that?

[cloud crypt]

the one i showed you

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-christian-bale-american-psycho-gif-25681297

[cerulean summit]

That's pretty good tbh. I'll see if I can get a full hdri working, mainly for my own curiosity, but that's already great

[cloud crypt]

but it does this

[cerulean summit]

I feel like there should be a way to set the sky colour with the remix renderer, rather than use a skybox

[jade briar]

A what

[cerulean summit]

Where you got it from

That answers my question anyway, forget I said anything

[jade briar]

Export>fbx

Idk wtf is going on

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-that-was-mad-funny-bro-im-laughing-so-hard-patrick-bateman-gif-21304609

[cerulean summit]

ignore the bottom right, nothing to see there, not a cheap scrub at all. Anyway, I gtg

[cloud crypt]

where are my Puddles ...

[cerulean summit]

PUDDLES!

top priority!

[cloud crypt]

I think these look better because they are not all black... you using fresh asphalt? Roads in Bayview are old. Just Mentioning that (no offense, yours look great but i think dont fit)

[cerulean summit]

I can make it whatever brightness you need. Though part of it may be the darker lighting due to my lower settings. It's probably both

[thorny pawn]

really weird to see this game at daytime

[thorny pawn]

i'm not sure how it exactly works but is it possible that marking textures as sky textures in the rtx menu causes them to be rendered as an HDRI probe?

because you get a few parameters to configure the sky texture, not sure if you've seen that

this one

[cerulean summit]

Probe? I may misunderstand your meaning but full path tracing doesn't use lighting probes

[thorny pawn]

probe as in lightprobe, HDRI image

[cerulean summit]

My understanding was that it would give it a different priority in sampling as its a light source

I honestly don't know

[surreal ruin]

There are no light probes

[thorny pawn]

"Sky Probe Extent" just made it sound like they're hiding the actual drawcall and instead using that texture for the skybox of the rtx renderer

[chrome meadow]

Old trick, here you can see how U2 makes road reflections #1103377328530276403 message

[surreal ruin]

It's ray traced

[thorny pawn]

https://www.pauldebevec.com/Probes/

I mean this, maybe it's not the SOTA term to use for it 😄

[surreal ruin]

I broke it down a bit later down! But ye

[surreal ruin]

Ah yeah that's just what we call an HDRI sky these days

Actually no

The "Probes" described here are just cubemaps

[thorny pawn]

either way the RTX Remix menu is referencing a sky probe

[cerulean summit]

I really should get going, whats the best way to send the files I've worked on?

[tawny elk]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-burns-dont-forget-youre-here-forever-gif-18420566

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[cerulean summit]

I wont be here forever if I starve to death XD

[thorny pawn]

not 100% sure but looking at the code it does seem like the sky is "removed" by rtx remix and instead the texture is rendered by the path tracer (in case of ray miss) which could explain why the skybox isn't visible in omniverse?

[tawny elk]

I'm just about to start hunting for the culling function. Food can wait. Don't you want to send the "I was here " message?

[tawny elk]

The skybox is set to an emissive texture afaik with the sky brightness equating to how emissive it is.

The ray miss part is if the ray doesn't hit an object, it's assumed that it's ending up hitting the skybox and gets calculated from that.

[cerulean summit]

I have a phone, I'll be here

[thorny pawn]

makes sense

[cerulean summit]

This is how I imagine it works, but idk if it can automatically differentiate the skydome and get rid of it. Also, why is the sky UV still coming from the dome?

[thorny pawn]

probably what Adam suggested, they probably use the distance you can configure for some calculations in the context of pathtracing, not sure what effect it has

[chrome meadow]

I meant updated geometry not the game's original

[tawny elk]

Oh for sure, I'd love to get some accurate light shaping going on

[thorny pawn]

but i also think the cleanest would be if we could just remove the skydome/ not render it and instead just use an HDRI for the sky, but i can't find anything about that

[tawny elk]

You can replace the skybox texture if the hash is stable (which it is in this case)

||Sorry I don't know the full context on what's trying to be achieved||

[thorny pawn]

NV_Mark on HDRI Support #general-remix message

[tawny elk]

Huh. I know you can mark it as being treated like an HDRI right?

[orchid grail]

quick question cuz im curious, ive noticed that lighting stops when its not on screen. is that something that will be fixed eventually, or is that not possible?

[tawny elk]

One day I'll figure it out. It might be a few days to months tho.

[orchid grail]

sick, really excited to see this project progress

[chrome meadow]

Love this kind of solution, making things wrong to get right, some language have even specific word for that 😆

[thorny pawn]

a bodge 😄

[vague sparrow]

Veteran GTA wet roads victim ^^

[dreamy ether]

If you use the filters you can find a ton for that

There’s quite a few pure sky ones

[chrome meadow]

Love looking at EA missing sales because... who knows 💚

[vague sparrow]

eh... physical copy is hard to come by here

You just have to 🏴‍☠️ if no retailers

[chrome meadow]

Can't understand why they don't make what can be considered the best NFS available on their digital store

[tawny elk]

||Rule 3 ||

[fierce mountain]

Guys, does rtx remix still have that .usd (i think that was the format) export that portal rtx had?

Oh fr?

Now i have even more of a reason to try this lol

Curious to see if it also has issues, i know it had issues with anything that was a brush in the source engine, uv's were all fucky lol

Anything that was a normal model worked just fine though

[jade briar]

Just sayin

[chrome meadow]

Had to catch up, one go away for a moment and the comments explodes 😆

[jade briar]

You should listen to this guy

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx475jYUe1Iiuaut-v1yV6OU3-twSJLpU8

[tawny elk]

I know, I don't wanna get anyone in trouble. That's all

[jade briar]

[fierce mountain]

"IMPORTANT rename "d3d9.dll" in the main game folder to "d3d9.asi""

This was in the widescreen fix bit, my widescreen fix is dinput8.dll, do i stil rename?

[cerulean summit]

puddles enough?

[desert saffron]

how can i try it

[thorny pawn]

you rename the d3d9.dll to d3d9.asi, dinput8.dll from wsfix stays unmodified

[thorny pawn]

pinned post

[fierce mountain]

ayyy game launches now

thanks

i get a black screen and can hear the audio lol

[cerulean summit]

could I get a how to for dummies? I've got a few different files and idk how they go together

which mod goes there? mine or the sky one?

[tawny elk]

Drag it under the mod.usda so that it's a child of it.

[cerulean summit]

I'm using some files he's sent me and idk which ones to use

[tawny elk]

Post a screenshot and I can try and help

Gotta wait till the demo gets disassembled 🕐

[cerulean summit]

wait, I may have got it, nvmd

[chrome meadow]

Puddles good

[cerulean summit]

it bugs me how obviously tiling it is but its either one or the other

[chrome meadow]

Yea, the game relay a lot on tiling for roads, #1103377328530276403 message here maybe it's less obvious but we have to deal with that

or replace the road model when the tools are released 🤔

[tiny nimbus]

Ayo what

It's real

nice dude

[jade briar]

ye

Muta was in this channel earlier

Asking for help with getting the game running.

I'm so tired of providing tech support for people trying to install the mod

[tiny nimbus]

Get used to it

💀

[jade briar]

The instructions are right there

[tiny nimbus]

you think this is bad?

wait till remix is fully released

[jade briar]

Uhh.

Means that I have failed

As a tutorial writer

[tiny nimbus]

yeah this is a big issue with these types of things

unfortunately ur gonna have to deal w it one way or the other

Some ppl go the nuclear way and just don't altogether

[tawny elk]

Weird. I don't remember the demo having so many symbols in it..

[jade briar]

Like the pinned message is the most complicated piece of discord text I've ever written.

[tawny elk]

There's references to normal maps. Were those in the full release?

[tiny nimbus]

make a video of it

Ngl

[thorny pawn]

in scripts modify the ini to skip the intro videos

[jade briar]

dunno

[tawny elk]

There's this cullmode string that doesn't really get refenced directly anywhere 👀

Gets called by an effect complier.

[cerulean summit]

anyone know how I can just hide the sky?

like, the whole skybox, get rid of it

[tiny nimbus]

can't you just delete the file

[tawny elk]

Set the skybox to ignore texture

[tiny nimbus]

that's responsible for it

or

[cerulean summit]

I cant find the file

I know where the textures are, but that'd just leave a missing reference and the geometry would still be there

[safe fossil]

If yoou need hdr dds then bc6 is like 16bit iirc

Well it's bc6H

Ok no it's not, but it's still hdr

[tawny elk]

Unloader!!!

[cerulean summit]

IS THAT THE THING!!!

[tawny elk]

[cerulean summit]

the culling thing?

[tawny elk]

Just thought it was funny there was !!!

Man, they got some funny guys doing the debug text

[azure star]

How to Tank your FPS

[cerulean summit]

no guarantees but I think this is all the stuff I've edited. Figured I'd share before I break something

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13wEMl38_tZT2cKFhYLZohfEgBZ7vCBsT/view?usp=sharing

[tawny elk]

Ayo, look at all them texture calls

[cerulean summit]

how'd you get the rear lights working?

[azure star]

You probably have the lights deactivated

Its not casting any real lights tho

Those are just particles

[safe fossil]

These aren't calls, these are just strings

Set the texture as emissive doesn't work? Heard it's a thing in there somewhere

[tawny elk]

Prob referring to the specific loaded vehicles properties

[safe fossil]

Now these are indeed calls

[tawny elk]

📲

[safe fossil]

speed2demo.exe

So it's not the full game?

[tawny elk]

It's the demo but there's a lot more information kept in this build

[safe fossil]

Is that a build with debug symbols?

A pdb they shipped with the exe?

[tawny elk]

No. There's no debug build

[safe fossil]

Not build

Symbols

[chrome meadow]

There's an option in the menu, light glow then you mark the texture used as emissive, or set the headlight texture itself as emissive but neither work perfect, we need to attach proper light in Omniverse

[safe fossil]

Different things

[tawny elk]

No there's no pdb available either.

[safe fossil]

If you say "more info left"

[cerulean summit]

its less about having them light up, and rather not having them be completely grey as seen in this image

[safe fossil]

You mean more strings you can find?

Try like some rtti dumper on this thing

Sec i'll try to remember some

https://github.com/astrelsky/Ghidra-Cpp-Class-Analyzer maybe this one

I haven't used ghidra since like 2020 cause it's kinda ass so don't know if it's gotten any better now

[tawny elk]

Is IDA really that much better?

[safe fossil]

There was some wack shit it didn't pick up on back then can't recall what though

And it's written in fucking java so it's sooooo sloooow

But again

Haven't touched it for like 3 years now

NSA pls

[chrome meadow]

one solution look like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vou8ocM6XE, the other like the screenshot they posted above, we nee to add light to get something better, one guy did that for front headlight

you can also use a transparent material, they shouldn't look that grey

[tawny elk]

Ugh gotta rerrun analysis since it's in 10.2.2

[safe fossil]

https://github.com/theluc4s/RTTI-Finder-Dumper try this

https://github.com/GrandpaGameHacker/RTTIDumper https://github.com/GrandpaGameHacker/ClassDumper2 these 2 as well standalone

Last one's the newest one so i guess go for that

[tawny elk]

What information will using these provide over ghidra's rtti built in one? I keep running into more and more problems using these. I tried the one for 10.2.2 and it really didn't reveal anything useful.

[thorny pawn]

man i just tried it and it's flippin amazing, i do have some feedback which you may or may not know about, i know its all WIP so i'm cautious with critique xD

[cerulean summit]

Go for it

There's a lot of stuff I know I need to improve, but there's likely stuff idk about either

[safe fossil]

Wasn't sure ghidra did rtti to begin with

[thorny pawn]

at crossings the texture seems to be scaled way higher like 2x of what the grit is on the normal road

[surreal ruin]

I did a lil' cruddy 3D version of that one wall texture so that we can bake some normals into it, obviously no PBR textures or anything on there but ehy, it's something

[thorny pawn]

and the only other thing i noticed with the puddles is, they do look nice and i dont see much repetition however instead of having one "line" in the middle what do you think about making the puddles where the wheels would be? Like you see on old streets usually

[cerulean summit]

I was aware of this and haven't had time to fix it yet.

As for where the puddles are, that depends on the condition of the road, how busy it is, and how recently it's been raining. Often cars will dry out where they drive, but the road dips where tires make contact so both puddle positions is possible

It should be simple enough to try different puddle options though. I'll give it a go tomorrow

Thanks for the feedback though, helps me make a todo list

[thorny pawn]

makes sense, at the end of the day whatever looks more aesthetically pleasing am i right 😄

[safe fossil]

More like 10 times

[cerulean summit]

That looks great! How are you planning to texture it?

[surreal ruin]

Probably just smack it into mixer as usual

[safe fossil]

Why not just replace the model as well?

[surreal ruin]

We don't have access to those tools yet

And besides, this is a SCUFFED model, just intended for baking onto a flat plane

I even modelled in forced perspective to get some of the details right

[cerulean summit]

Oh, I thought that's (replacing the model) what you were doing.

The game already wraps this texture around a low poly model of the storefront. If you're just using this model for normals you'll get normals adding details that are already there.

Unless you high to low bake it to the low poly mesh

[safe fossil]

And?

[safe fossil]

Was aiming at

[surreal ruin]

I legit CAN'T replace meshes yet

Unless I sit down and write the USDA files myself and lord I ain't touchin' that

[safe fossil]

Pretty sure you can replace the usd assets at least by hand right now though

[surreal ruin]

Sure but I felt like arting, not rebuilding world geometry ^^ Sorry

[safe fossil]

The and was about the scuffed part

[surreal ruin]

Given that it's just a flat plane texture though I assume the UV map is fairly basic ye?

[cerulean summit]

It's not a flat plane texture, that's kinda my point

The shop fronts are modelled

[surreal ruin]

The mesh is half a million polygons to make corners nice and smooth for baking

[safe fossil]

Lol

[surreal ruin]

Yeah no sure! THey've modelled stuff out of the mesh but the texture itself is still just this flat plane, so they've just used elements FROM it for the "3D" areas no?

[safe fossil]

Yeah idk, just do the Ian Hubert thing

[surreal ruin]

Oh well, I thought the OG mesh was a lot simpler than that haha

Scratch this 😛

Was fun regardless

[cerulean summit]

But if you bake a 3d model onto a flat plane, just to wrap that texture to a 3d model again, you'd be baking depth into a normal map and then sticking that onto something that actually has depth already

You'd need to do proper high low baking to take the low poly model into account

[safe fossil]

Well not technically depth but direction

[cerulean summit]

Faked depth

No need to be pedantic

[safe fossil]

So the faces would like turn 180 degrees instead of 90 and shit

[surreal ruin]

Yeah no you're not wrong! Fully agreed, however taking a look at the model

[cerulean summit]

They would appear to, yes.

A 90° wall + a 90° normal

[surreal ruin]

Like here right, you're correct that they've modelled in stuff

But the extra depth they've added

[safe fossil]

Wasn't being pedantic for no reason as i explained what it would look like

[surreal ruin]

Looks to just sample it's UV's from here

Which is a flat surface regardless

[cerulean summit]

It's not about UVs

The texture is a flat plane. It's the normals that concern me

[surreal ruin]

No I get that

Add normals onto a surface not aligned with that normal and shit gets wonky

Totally with you

I've been doing this stuff in the industry for 10 + years so I understand

I just don't think it'll actually be that much of an issue, as the areas that would be trouble areas are not UV'd onto the normal distorted surfaces anyway

[cerulean summit]

So what would you expect this wall to do?

[surreal ruin]

So these green areas here for example

Are clearly just flat red bumpy stuff

Which means they're probably UV'd to

This space of the texture

Which wouldn't have anything but small bumps anyway

They could also be using the larger stucco area

Up here

Which it too, would have flat normals aside from some bumpy bumps

So they wouldn't actually cause issues

[cerulean summit]

I guess my biggest concern would be this bit being baked with a normal at 45° just to have the model at 45° as well.

Just checked tho and your model has this bit flat so by getting it slightly off, you've actually made it easier

In that case, you're probably fine

[surreal ruin]

I mean yeah that was done intentionally

I'm approaching it as a tilesheet

[cerulean summit]

Oh

[tawny elk]

By the way, pretty sure that's conduit for some lights that would've pointed above the storefront or onto it. 👀

[surreal ruin]

If you peek at it from a frontal perspective you'll see things are very flat

[tawny elk]

[cerulean summit]

Also how's the culling problem?
I tried to have windows be glossy earlier and realised that obviously there's nothing for them to reflect if everything behind the camera is culled.

If that won't be fixed it'd be best to keep everything a bit grimy and rough to hide the problem

[tawny elk]

[safe fossil]

Beside sbackface culling, frustum culling is gonna have to be solved on a per game basis pretty much

So extensive reversing

[cloud crypt]

Adam already searching

[tawny elk]

We already found the frustum culling it was

[cloud crypt]

I take a brake for today with lights. I will do again Tomorrow

[safe fossil]

Did you? Cause that's the thing that kills everything out of view

Besides like lods and just killing shit too far away

[tawny elk]

It's set to a static 0x6000 if I remember right.

The culling outside of the camera is still a mystery

https://tenor.com/view/detective-daffy-investigate-police-looney-tunes-gif-17130539

[safe fossil]

Culling stuff that's outside of cam is frustum culling tho

Frustum is the view pyramid

With the tip cut off

You mean like occlusion culling?

[tawny elk]

Sorry, I'll be more specific. I found the far clip plane for the frustum culling. We still need to find the function that handles the view-frustum culling.

[safe fossil]

Yeah so draw distance then

[tawny elk]

Correct

[jade briar]

Keep at it, and we can just replace the whole building model once the remix tool comes out

[surreal ruin]

Phoook naw

That time I'm putting towards Silent Hill 2

[jade briar]

lol

[surreal ruin]

If I were to properly mod NFSU2 I'd just turn the whole thing into an Intial-D touge thing

So ya'll don't want me near it, promise

[jade briar]

There's a whole dedicated touge section in the map. I'll just unleash you on that.

[surreal ruin]

EVERY BILLBOARD IN THE GAME NOW ADVERTISES TOFU

[surreal ruin]

Oh yah, the hills are the best part! Naturally

I actually replayed the game like, 4 months ago

[jade briar]

I was starting work on the hill textures. But I got bored..

[surreal ruin]

That stuff is probably best left for mesh replacements when we've the tools for it anyway

[jade briar]

yeah

[tawny elk]

So I think I've narrowed it down to being in any of the functions prior to UpdateAndRenderStuff

[jade briar]

He's doing it

He's really doing it

[thorny pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/believe-spongebob-gif-5640347

[tawny elk]

Here's the draw distance by the way

Why it's drawn 3 times, no idea

@safe fossil I now understand what you were trying to help get figured out

[tawny elk]

So it’s not likely in that loop. That turned out to be the functions to setup the main menu scene.

It’s definitely hardcoded with a camera state or position. Feels like those are the only places left it could hide.

||Still kinda salty that the devs who made all these plugins didn’t really want to help. ||

||or give any pointers ||

[chrome meadow]

Maybe they don't realize the potential of what NVIDIA created or they aren't interested in team play 🤷‍♂️

[tawny elk]

That’s true. At least their plugins have source available with the memory addresses of functions.

[jade briar]

You know. The last thing to do would be to look at the game's credits.

[tawny elk]

Also there’s no easy way to get the functions into a classic C++ style of namespace::function and it makes me slightly grumpy.

[tawny elk]

Haven’t checked if any of the graphics devs are active on social media 👀

[chrome meadow]

I was be able to find some

[jade briar]

There should be at least one. If not, finding an email shouldn't be too hard.

[tawny elk]

Who was the lead Graphics Engineer or director ?

[jade briar]

Dunno

[tawny elk]

That’s okay. I’ll reach out to them if I see their active online.

[chrome meadow]

I don't think is specified, only the art director

Mike Vlad Cora
Spencer Craske
Euan Forrester
James Grieve
Robinson Huff
Phil Ibis
Nenad Jankovic
Mike Kiernan
Cliff Kondratiuk
David Lam
William Leach
Ted Middleton
Scott Patterson
Chris Robertson
Wes Santee
Martin Sikes
Lawrence Sparling
Jon Spencer
Steve Tolin
John Twigg
Greg Vance
Jason Verhiel
Phillip Weeks```

additional programming

Gary Bearchell
Charles Bostik
Dan Chitan
Greg D'Esposito
Scott Hansen
Jeff Johnston
Alex Kalaidjian
Bela Kiss
Yoon Lee
Peter Lolley
Patrick Ratto
Kostas Sakellis
Manu Singh
Eric Turmel
Raymond Wang
Peter Weldon
Jack Yee
Justin Yong```

Technical Art Director
Russell Rice

They are not in alphabetical order so the first may be the lead

[tawny elk]

Just a reminder for anyone playing along at home, please do not harass the games devs on social media about helping us.

[chrome meadow]

Yea, silky hands maybe show some results

I would say more, most should abstain, should be primarily you or only who are working on the problem

[jade briar]

I'll send them this gif

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fight-gif-21912966

I wouldn't try that since I'm not a programmer. I'm a artist.

[surreal ruin]

Here's that storefront wall

Although this is just slapped onto a cylinder in unreal

I ain't no Omniversing yet

[tawny elk]

Is there a specific discord I could reach out to? You can DM me the names or invites so they don’t get flooded.

[jade briar]

I have literally never seen a single black box dev in a nfs server

They're like

Poof

Gone

[tawny elk]

Oh I meant the mod devs

[jade briar]

Uhh. The guy who developed the extra options mod for underground 2, has a server named nfs extra options

Invite link in the description of this video

https://youtu.be/yqcbi9y-E_s

Most of the nfs modding community works with newer games

[jade briar]

There's also zolika1351, who made the in game trainer menu for underground. The link to his discord server is in his website. Tho he's pretty useless. I messaged him twice. Once in the the server, then again in dms. No reply.

[tawny elk]

I’ll dig around on the discords and see if anyone has posted the answer before asking

[tawny elk]

Did that zmenu mod come with source?

I'm thinking zolika probably knows where it is 👀

[chrome meadow]

you are an optimist

[tawny elk]

How so?

[chrome meadow]

Hey it's a good thing

[ashen cradle]

Zolika's stuff is proprietary

[tawny elk]

https://github.com/AeroWidescreen/NFSHDReflections/blob/main/SOURCE/NFSU2/dllmain.cpp#L176 Does the HD reflection mod not work with remix? Only does the reflection draw distance

Might point me to the right spot tho

[vague sparrow]

The culled mystery solvers

[spark moon]

This time with Underground Drift
https://youtu.be/4oLqe1ubrBU

[tawny elk]

God damn I forgot how hard it culls in motion.

[spark moon]

I was having ghosting due to Dlss

[golden pike]

for some reason nfsu2 wont fullscreen properly for me

with the widescreen patch it’ll just launch in a small boxed window, if i change a graphic setting in game it’ll automatically full screen but at a very low resolution. changing my desktop resolution just returns it to a small box, changing the widescreen patch resolution in the ini and windowed settings does nothing as well, and most of the time switching resolutions just crashes the game. any fixes?

[spark moon]

U can also change settings in widescreen.ini try that

[golden pike]

i fixed it nvm, had a bad install

[timid prairie]

these windows need to reflect

[vague sparrow]

yes

thank you for covering ug1

[spark moon]

Ur welcome

[vague sparrow]

strange that it has the same issue of aggressive lighting culling as ug2, maybe they share the same engine 🤔

[elfin beacon]

[cerulean summit]

But reflect what? Everything out of view will be culled

[timid prairie]

fair enough i guess

[jade briar]

Yeah, that's another issue

[wispy drum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L24-UeiVxU0

a bit of ghosting especially when drive too fast with dlss

without DLSS no ghosting at all but very low fps

is it possible to reduce the ghosting?

is it the 2.5.1 DLSS DLL version

?

[jade briar]

Ah. The magic of dlss

I don't think there'

s

a fix for that

[wispy drum]

even with a change of DLL? I dont have ghosting in other games that i use DLSS at all

spiderman remastered uncharted gollum no ghosting at all.

here its too much

[timid prairie]

Such ghosting exist in SR3 Reamstered, and as we remember it doesn't have DLSS

[wispy drum]

its strange to have that much ghosting

because without DLSS the game is perfect without a bit of ghosting

but very low fps at 20-25

[vague sparrow]

lower resolution to 4:3 at 480p

[wispy drum]

yes i did 2560x1080 and its much better at native

got good fps

without dlss

[vague sparrow]

disable denoiser as well

its gives more FPS at the cost of noise

[jade briar]

Disable the game. You'll get the most fps.

At the cost of no game.

[vague sparrow]

Disable Life

fr

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-christian-bale-shambles-mad-gif-25691393

i got an idea fr

what if we can get this car in ug2 to test reflections on the backside of road

the "chrome" car

[wispy drum]

yes tried most developer settings. the best is to drop resolution and play native without dlss

dlss performance is excellent in clarity but the ghosting

[vague sparrow]

it will be a great way to debug some of the problems like where does the culling start, the reflections will show us

[wispy drum]

the thing is that after 2.5.1 dlss version there is no ghosting in native pc games with native dlss implementation

in portal RTX there is no ghosting with dlss 2 balaned+Frame generation

[vague sparrow]

ghosting is something you have to compromise, because the nature of path tracing at high speeds

and since this is a racing game, so.....

[wispy drum]

but that much? in cyberpunk 2077 with overdrive path tracing and dlss+fg there is no ghosting when running with car at high speeds

here i see another whole car behind my car

when i speed up

[vague sparrow]

rn the solution would be to replace the dlss dll with a version from previous gen like 2.4.1 or 2.4.9

[wispy drum]

its very distracting first time i saw that much of ghosting

wow really? so there is a solution thank you will try and report back

2.5.1 is no good for NFS?

will try 2.4.9

thank you

cant find 2.4.1 or 2.4.9

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-dlss-dll/

there are many other versions

[vague sparrow]

ok wait

try 2.2.6

[wispy drum]

with 2.2.6

its worse i think

[vague sparrow]

https://youtu.be/IhhLcZQ2zD0?t=108

the video here recommended 2.2.6

[wispy drum]

not good for underground 2

[vague sparrow]

hmm

[wispy drum]

will try more versions

[vague sparrow]

i think DLSS 3 will solve this issue

something about creating a flow estimation graph to make DLSS work better

vector flow estimation*

[wispy drum]

yes it will make the movement much better. and will add another 20-30 fps on top of the fps we get

[vague sparrow]

you can install it directly, right?

i saw DLSS 3 dlls in the website

[wispy drum]

with DLL yes but how to activate it in the remix menu?

i have swap dlss 3 DLL in other games

[vague sparrow]

does it work?

[wispy drum]

but there isnt option in the remix

like portal

yes perfec

perfect

[vague sparrow]

what happen?

[wispy drum]

tried it in spiderman in 2077 in hogwarts

in spiderman saw a vram usage drop about 1gb with native dll vs the latest 3.1.12

no artifacts and very smooth

but must have an option to activate the FG

like in portal in developers menu

so even if i put the dlss 3 dll in the remix folder

where dlss 2 dll is

i cant activate it

[vague sparrow]

check this out, it looks very good in the video i posted

[wispy drum]

its much better but not in underground 2

let me try 2.5.1 i know this is the ideal version to eliminate the ghosting to the max

will report back

[vague sparrow]

ok so i got a request for NFS modders if anyone is here please let them know that if they can make a car exactly like this

or else i have to make it

debug car for RTX

[wispy drum]

same ghosting. tried NIS with balanced settings and there is no ghosting at all with the performance of dlss balanced

so for good performance+no ghosting try NIS balanced

in the remix menu

[vague sparrow]

does native produce ghosting?

also what if we just make the bumper cam really close

will that help

?

[wispy drum]

native have no ghosting but very low fps.

if the car is very near in the screen there must be no ghosting

because the ghosting is more from the car

not from the enviroment

but NIS working excellent with good performance and no ghosting

a bit of shimmering in the distance objects like wires etc but nothing distracting

the game is very playable

will wait for DLSS 3 and make the car reflections and lighting good and will go for an 100% playthrough

putted DLSS 3 dll in the game in the remix but cant activate it in the game

[vague sparrow]

ah

that's because only portal version of rtx remix works with dlss3

but that version of remix won't run UG2

so that's a no go

[wispy drum]

yes i thought dlss 3 is native to nvidia remix in all games

but no

[vague sparrow]

why is my T key broken lol

[wispy drum]

must find how to put dlss 3 in all rtx remix games

[spark moon]

remix renders what's on screen like unreal engine now a days does that's why when camera goes away it stops to render those asset and lights are more noticeable

[vague sparrow]

mhmmm, more W E T

[jade briar]

yes

[vague sparrow]

totally not me placing a big sphere to a car rn

[spark moon]

remis uses older version of dlss thats y i shared dlsss link earlier

[wispy drum]

it doesnt seem to work the others dlls. i tried 4 different versions and its the same ghosting

[wispy drum]

amazing the car lighting seems about right

and pretty good reflections too

[spark moon]

get the lastest dlss
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-dlss-dll/

[wispy drum]

used latest used 2.5.1 used 2.2.6 nothing

the ghosting is massive

[spark moon]

try 3.1.11

[wispy drum]

tried that one too

no change

in ghosting

with NIS i have zero ghosting

with same performance increase

but a bit of shimmering

[spark moon]

ya saw that

[chrome meadow]

Hey, motion blur for free

you gotta look at the bright side

[spark moon]

absolutly racing games need that

[vague sparrow]

the bright side made my retinas burn

[spark moon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-patrick-stare-patrick-eyes-red-eyes-gif-14781443

So if lights can be loaded even when camera is away from the scene that can fix culling...

[tawny elk]

Burnt out in my search for the culling. It’s down to a few functions but it might be another function inside those ones

[dreamy ether]

There are functions within the functions and those functions have other functions aswell as variables

This is funception.

[tawny elk]

It wouldn’t be so bad if I was able to test it without the game crashing when I change something I shouldn’t.

[spark moon]

and selecting textures as worldspaceui breaks the textures is this issue being reported

[vague sparrow]

i kinda fked up the whole process, now only wheels show up except the sphere lol

[thorny pawn]

where did the grit from the asphalt go o:

[jade briar]

denoising killed it

[thorny pawn]

i wonder btw on what texture's we should be committing to?

Roads are obviously a nobrainer since they make up like 50% of what you see on screen + they aren't going to be mesh replaced
Billboards can be replaced e.g. Burger King logo with RTX Remix Logo (maybe even glowing one) or with Reflective Font
Stuff like the License Plate (NFSRTX)

But lots of the other things seem to be worth a complete asset swap

Tried getting a simple mesh into Underground 2 yesterday but no dice so far.... i don't think anyone else has managed either (looking at the other projects)

[jade briar]

Things that are closest to the roads.

And things like garage and shops

The main menu screen

[thorny pawn]

aren't exactly those prime candidates for mesh replacements since they are so close/visible?

[jade briar]

I'd try to get away with as many texture replacements as I can.

[cerulean summit]

U sure remix is using the high res texture quality?
The texture looks actually pixelated, and the pixelation is aligned with the road surface not the camera. Denoising shouldn't do that

[jade briar]

mmmaaayybe

I'll reexport the textures at higher res

[jade briar]

Was tryna prevent performance issues

I'll do it right now. See what happens

[cerulean summit]

Unless you're hitting memory limits, a few higher res textures shouldn't effect performance much

[vague sparrow]

i don't think its memory issue

looks badly compressed

[jade briar]

shut

[vague sparrow]

no i think its fine

who's going to get jelly melly over bad textures

amirite?

[thorny pawn]

especially for road since its the most important and present one 😄

i'm shocked btw how well the tire marks work out, expected there to be zfighting or other issues

[open atlas]

Underground 2 has a lot of Z fighting anyway

[surreal ruin]

I think ATTRM is right here, it looks like typical DDS compression

[tawny elk]

Fun fact it has no back face culling at all

[cerulean summit]

It's probably both and we're picking up on different things. That last image looks a lot higher res but still blurry? That's probably compression and denoising combined

[jade briar]

mm. Let me cull every single thing out of existence, but no backface culling

[jade briar]

I used reference mode for both screenshots.

So denoising shouldn't be a problem.

[cerulean summit]

So just compression then, either that or it's just how the textures are

U using dlss at all?

[vague sparrow]

there's also backface culling on vehicles, basically the front tyres are not rendered at all when racing/roaming

interesting find when i modded my own vehicle in ug2

[small acorn]

skybox scales doesn't solve this issue?

[jade briar]

Using at full res as dlaa, because there's a lot of flickering going on without it.

[vague sparrow]

what dlss version are you using, does your car cast trails of itself (ghosting) when speeding?

[jade briar]

The neon glow does.

Default dlss that came with remix

[vague sparrow]

eh, there are some older dlss that are better than newer ones

plus we are currently limited to dlss2 so

we need to make the ghosting effect almost zero

its very distracting

[small acorn]

somebody tried to use dlss 3.1.11.0 dll?

[vague sparrow]

remix won't detect it

only dlss2 as of now

@zinc meteor sorry for the ping mark but could dlss3 be added back?

[surreal ruin]

I'm sure they're working on it

[open atlas]

Why are there rain puddles underneath a canopy

[surreal ruin]

Because they all use one single texture

We can't control dynamically where the puddles are or are not

[jade briar]

dw about it

[tawny elk]

It's magic

[jade briar]

tsunami

[zinc meteor]

IIRC, that's already in progress, but I don't have any idea how long it will take.

[vague sparrow]

yeah, there was this really bad ghosting effect seen here, can you give us tips on how to reduce it (if you know how)

i thought it was maybe dlss2 causing this

[zinc meteor]

most ghosting I've seen in remix is actually not from dlss2, but I'm far an the expert on that. What exactly is ghosting though? might be more clear from a video

(also, just to check - are the geometry hashes stable? if not, that can also cause ghosting)

[jade briar]

you can see the car

Like a trail of the car

[zinc meteor]

that looks more like we're failing to generate motion vectors for the car, which would happen if the car's geo hash is unstable (can also be caused by other reasons).

[jade briar]

The car geo hash is very solid

also dlss at lower resolutions looks really bad

[vague sparrow]

yeah...no

this looks very bad

[jade briar]

Also the whole scene is so noisy, that even at max res, the denoising is very flickery.

[vague sparrow]

that's restir and NRD doing weird light calculations at lower resolutions

[jade briar]

Restir ain't as great as what 2 minute papers guy made it seem

[wispy drum]

https://youtu.be/L24-UeiVxU0

[surreal ruin]

Yeah he's also become an AI art chill so I've kind of lost any trust in what he has to contribute these days

[jade briar]

same

I was in it for all the cool simulation techniques.

[surreal ruin]

Saaaaame

[jade briar]

Now it's all open ai stable diffusion

[surreal ruin]

Yeah I had to unsub a while back because I got so fed up

[jade briar]

Gotta give him one thing. I never expected to see restir in a consumer application.

[zinc meteor]

Best I can do is make sure the rendering guys see this tomorrow then

[jade briar]

🙏

The game looks pretty solid with no dlss

Except for the weird thing that's going on with 0 roughness areas.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

[vague sparrow]

https://youtu.be/L24-UeiVxU0?t=467 it is very visible around this time mark

the ghosting effect

[grizzled harness]

https://twitter.com/OrdinaryGamers/status/1662534956457885702?t=kOmRnFA8vO1PaYggCa5dLw&s=19

Mutahar (@OrdinaryGamers)

Need For Speed Underground 2 with Nvidia RTX Remix.

Currently a massive work in progress but what's here is insane. old games getting visual upgrades like these to come.

Likes

13461

Retweets

764

Twitter · May 27, 2023, 7:03 PM

[thorny pawn]

oh crap now thats rough xD

[vague sparrow]

ok.

who pud da "♻️" on diz psot

🤨

[jade briar]

Repost.

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, ive already posted this post

[tawny elk]

Post the post

[jade briar]

I don't

repost

[tawny elk]

[cloud crypt]

Burrito, have you made any new textures?

[jade briar]

I've updated the roads.

[cloud crypt]

Oh ok

[mossy pelican]

there is a way for me to test this or i'il have to wait until it's fully done?

if not, np
good luck with the project

[jade briar]

Check pins

[jade briar]

So did adam give up?

[tawny elk]

Burnt out

[jade briar]

[tawny elk]

It's likely one of these

It could be updateandrenderstuff but

[mossy pelican]

got infinite loading screen

for some reason

[tawny elk]

Or maybe it's this one?

[jade briar]

I wish I knew how to work with this shit.

[tawny elk]

If you know how to use cheat engine you can test memory addresses for me

[jade briar]

I uh. Once made a infinite health thing.

[tawny elk]

I don't mind digging to find out what memory address it is, but the whole battleship thing going on with it wears me out. If it's a memory address that's not the one I'm looking for, it likely crashes the game and I have to setup it up again.

[mossy pelican]

nvm i will try to fix after my programming class

[tawny elk]

Nope not that one

[jade briar]

Need blackbox devs

[tawny elk]

They'd only be able to point me in the right direction

If there's an anticulling mod for the other games it might get us close too.

A sqrt!

I'm thinking the cull is going to be a function finding the distance of an object to the camera position and returning a bool/0 if it's too far.

[tawny elk]

Too toasty in my house to continue. Gotta wait till it cools

[jade briar]

I don't think this is true

From my experience, things get culled as soon as they leave the camera's view.

[tawny elk]

Yes but it needs the cameras view/position to know that it doesn’t need to be rendered.

[jade briar]

Also things cull based on fov too. So very big fov keeps things alive longer

[tawny elk]

That’ll still be from the camera info

[jade briar]

ye

[tawny elk]

I’m wondering if I can get a match based on the instructions used to do the draw distance.

[tawny elk]

I won’t be able to rest till later tonight but I looked into some culling methods and I think I found it.

[surreal ruin]

Adam, you're a champ, kudos on you for going through all this! T's hard and menial work!

[tawny elk]

            return (OUTSIDE); ```

It’s called the “radar” approach for a culling method.

I remember seeing an if statement with an OR and two different pointers.

So it it’ll likely be that

Burned through all my RE time till later tonight. Need to be a social human for a little bit

[jade briar]

FINALLY

[tawny elk]

No guarantees tho

[jade briar]

Adam try not to claim that he found the function challenge (hard)

[tawny elk]

It should be the right one but it could be culling for something else.

[tawny elk]

!!!

[vague sparrow]

what

speak up man

👀

[tawny elk]

It's in that function for sure

It's just like the code snippet from the book fr fr

Why is it hardcoded to one case?

Oh it gets updated at runtime from the thunk

[tawny elk]

I'm too eepy to handle this. I'll pin it for tomorrow and take the W I got

Here's the C disassembly for anyone playing along at home:

Function starts at 0x5c7ec0

Culling check is at 0x5c80cb

Bout all I got

[polar comet]

Hi, I need some help installing this project, because I think I'm having a smooth brain moment with this

I checked the pinned comment and downloaded everything but the game doesn't run.
I think it's because of remix bridge, I still don't know how to install it properly

I'm new to this 😅

[mossy pelican]

💪

[mossy pelican]

First of all:

• Clean install.
  Then:
• Download RTX remix > main game directory
• Download RTX bridge > main game directory, replace files
• Download Underground 2 RTX zip file > main game directory, replace files
• rename d3d9.dll to d3d9.asi
• Download ThirteenAG Widescreen Fix > Main game directory
• Run game
• Change graphical settings

ALT + X to enable DLSS if you're using NVIDIA GPU to improve performance

--- If the issue is downloading the bridge:

• Create a GitHub account
  then click on the following:

After that, select this option and download:

Also you need a RT capable GPU

[polar comet]

God, I didn't see that 😅

[mossy pelican]

hopefully you will be able to test

i'il go to sleep

have a good night

bye

[polar comet]

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it

gn!

(It worked :D)

[thorny pawn]

You absolute madlad

[jade briar]

Anxiously waiting for Adam's return.

[cobalt peak]

Just download DonaldMarxs cheat menu for Underground 2, and type DisableCulling: True

It causes alot of lag tho, around 7-10FPS on my 3070 Ti

And that on ultra performance DLSS

[jade briar]

Wiat

Huh

Elaborate

[spring thorn]

Can someone post a picture of their game directory so I can tell if I've done it right

[jade briar]

Game works = done right
Doesn't work = done wrong

[vague sparrow]

DonaldMarxs cheat menu?

post link

[spring thorn]

It helps no-one to be reductive

[jade briar]

Idk what this funny word means, but I assume you're not happy with my response.

I'm being fr tho

[spring thorn]

(reductive) tending to present a subject or problem in a simplified form, especially one viewed as crude.

Being a smartass helps no-one. The guides seem rather crude and helpless with little info or help. I don't understand why you're acting all smart saying what you said. A simple screen grab of the games directory showing what it should look like would be rather helpful for those who aren't certain whether it's incorrectly installed or thier system is throwing a fit. Plus this channel is for helping not being facetious or trying to look cool and or funny

[jade briar]

Bruh

[vague sparrow]

I don't think he was replying to you

he seems erratic at times but sensible for the most part

that I can confirm

[jade briar]

Here's the thing. Describing the problem that you're facing, would help better understand your issue

[spring thorn]

ok, the game isnt launching. and this is what my install of the game looks like

[jade briar]

Hmm

Looks about right

See

This is why just giving a ss of the game folder won't really help

[spring thorn]

and launch using the speed exe?

[jade briar]

Try this out.

#1103377328530276403 message

[jade briar]

So is this true, or are you fucking around?

[cobalt peak]

Obviously it's not real, this isn't the sims.

[jade briar]

Figured

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-somebodyholdme-furious-arthur-gif-20694159

[cobalt peak]

😛

[spring thorn]

game launches then crashes. could it be caused by where i got the game from

[jade briar]

Make sure you get a fresh install. Use the latest version of the game.

[vague sparrow]

You got a RTX card mate?

[spring thorn]

4080

[jade briar]

you never know

Some people here trying to play with a HD 4850 512 megs

[spring thorn]

dealing with stuff on pc just melts my mind. ive had to change game files to run at 32bit instead of 64.

[vague sparrow]

It's not even worth trying lol 😞

[jade briar]

L

[vague sparrow]

The PC in question

[jade briar]

ok.

[vague sparrow]

@jade briar check this out

You think this is legit?

Ion do Facebook

My fren zen yhis ova

[jade briar]

idk man, I just have a g402. But this looks legit.

[vague sparrow]

well imma nag it then

[jade briar]

Legit enough.

[spring thorn]

Fresh updated install didnt work. and running on latest Nvidia Drivers

[jade briar]

Can you tell your install process?

[spring thorn]

1. install game 2. Update to 1.2 3. put cracked exe in main directory 4. put remix 0.2.0 into main 5. bridge into main 6. UG2 remix into directory 7. rename .dll to asi 8. Launch and crash

[jade briar]

hmmmm.

I suggest.

actually

[jade briar]

Did you install widescreen fix?

[spring thorn]

yes

[jade briar]

Show me the bridge remix file that you downloaded

[jade briar]

oof

Which version of the bridge did you download?

[spring thorn]

the latest release

[jade briar]

I'm pretty sure you downloaded the wrong thing.

Hold on

[spring thorn]

ok

[spring thorn]

cheers will give this one a go

[vague sparrow]

you didn't buy winrar

[spring thorn]

i think its where i got the game from that is causing issues

[jade briar]

Maybe

[jade briar]

Who buys winrar

[spring thorn]

nvm, changed one system setting

hardware accelerated gpu scheduling. was messing with the game launching, honestly thought i had it off

[jade briar]

hmm

[vague sparrow]

HAGS for short lol

[spring thorn]

also sorry for being a knob earlier

[jade briar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

dont mind

[vague sparrow]

[minds anyway]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-christian-bale-american-psycho-gif-25681297

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

New user try to install remix properly challenge (hard)

[tawny elk]

(Impossible) on a intel hd 530

[halcyon ether]

wait do i read this correct?
i can install this on nfsug1 aswell?

[severe solstice]

:PepePopcorn:

[thorny pawn]

not the textures, those are for UG2, i tried the rtx.conf and bridge.conf tho and they do seem to work to some degree

[severe solstice]

[vague sparrow]

yes you can

same steps

[halcyon ether]

gonna have to try it then.
i already have some nice textures. not sure if they work with this lol since it's texmod.
and maybe with some reshade idk.

anyhow thanks for the replies 🙂

[vague sparrow]

Remix textures are way more advanced

[thorny pawn]

yeah higher resolution texmod textures are nothing compared to PBR textures

[halcyon ether]

then i hope someone will make a defenitive edition for both 1 and 2...
those ug2 screenshots look amazing.
but the culling so far looks annoying ^^
still props for ppl putting so much effort into this

[tawny elk]

The culling looks annoying
You’re never going to believe this…

[halcyon ether]

😮

[vague sparrow]

@tawny elk i gotta give it to ya man, you're our unlimited source of hopium rn

[halcyon ether]

is he trying to say he actually fixed it?!

[tawny elk]

Only took two weeks #1103377328530276403 message

I’ll mess with it later tonight. Need to focus on social life a little more than I have been since I got nerd sniped by this.

[jade briar]

Me waiting on adam

https://tenor.com/view/alone-gif-22316343

[stray orchid]

Me waiting when fix full disabling light

[cobalt peak]

Do you want sex Luis

There's a theory that Luis Carruthers is the sigma and real psycho in American Psycho

Look at his based outfit

[tawny elk]

It’ll likely be around 9pm est when I can mess with it again.

[jade briar]

[modest obsidian]

Download Underground 2 RTX zip file
Is the latest one attached to the first post?

[jade briar]

uhh

It's the one with the big heading

[spark moon]

UG1

[modest obsidian]

So this one, no newer versions elsewhere?

[jade briar]

yes

this one

[modest obsidian]

Having minor issues then, lol

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-inconvenience-f1-gif-26332436

Double check your graphics settings

[jade briar]

Set road reflection detail to the lowest

[modest obsidian]

Oh god, I thought "change graphical settings" was related to DLSS

[dreamy ether]

You gotta hate it when you end up downgrading your graphics before the PS1 era using Remix lol

[jade briar]

New user try to follow easily laid out steps challenge (hard)

[modest obsidian]

Found the list, trying it

[modest obsidian]

no bully pls =(

[dreamy ether]

The game is evolving,

just backwards

[dreamy ether]

you got this!

lol

[dreamy ether]

bullying people with knowledge is not how to help lol

[jade briar]

I helped. Then I had my fun.

[dreamy ether]

yeah but still

The bullying doesn't exactly serve as the best motivator to keep going

[jade briar]

I uh.

Sorry

[dreamy ether]

I get it could be fun, but there's a reason why this is called Remix Projects and not lets bully others

[dreamy ether]

it's fine lol

[modest obsidian]

I was not serious about bullying, it's fine :D

[dreamy ether]

noice

[modest obsidian]

I understand how annoying people can be when following guides

And missing steps

[dreamy ether]

Comes with helping ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modest obsidian]

When I'm changing settings, game performance drops to seconds per frame

[jade briar]

Yesh, I had dlss off when I set up the file

[dreamy ether]

Ah yes, the Powerpoint presentation

The best way to game

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-gif-20627712

[jade briar]

I'll make a video tutorial the next time I update this.

[dreamy ether]

noice

[modest obsidian]

Heck yeah, looking great

Amazing how much progress was made in this little time

[jade briar]

Haven't even done much since posting the update

[modest obsidian]

Isn't car paint a bit rough in the current iteration or is there a reason it's not glossy at all?

[jade briar]

Game issue.

Am looking for a fix

[tawny elk]

Skill issue ||/s||

[jade briar]

skull issue

brain dont work

[dreamy ether]

F

[tawny elk]

Did the game use a shader or something for the car paint ?

[jade briar]

It bakes all your customizations in one texture. Including paint color, vinyl layters, and the selected body parts. Making a material in ov requires selecting a texture. so making a material works only for that specific setup.

[tawny elk]

The car render part is partially documented so there’s a chance of modding stuff there. Not sure what the solution is though.

Doss the material change even when you change colors?

If there’s a set amount of colors, you could script out all the hashes and have a general purpose mod usda.

The body parts changing things comes from the mesh being this big struct the gets modified with what parts are applied

[chrome meadow]

If hashes are stable is a viable solution

[shadow mirage]

Has anyone managed to run this on a 6000/7000 series Radeon GPU? I followed the guide, the game eventually launched after about 15 minutes but all I got was a white window. Sounds were there, I was also able to interact with the menus.

Using a 6700XT, latest drivers. I've seen people running the Portal RTX remix on RDNA2 hardware, any ideas?

[shadow mirage]

Looks amazing 👀

[tawny elk]

They are

[ember cobalt]

i wish so badly that the games i'm testing had stable hashes

it's teasing me, lol. it's almost worse than the game not working at all

[chrome meadow]

That's good, not something to take as given because one bit change and we are f...

[jade briar]

Every single unique object/paint/ vinyl change requires a new material.

[shadow mirage]

info:  [RTX-Compatibility-Info] Trying to raytrace but not detecting a valid camera.
err:   Exception on CS thread!
err:   DxvkDevice: Failed to initialize vulkan device as a low latency device
warn:  Message channel UWM_REMIX_BRIDGE_REGISTER_THREADPROC_MSG handshake timeout. Retrying...
warn:  Message channel UWM_REMIX_BRIDGE_REGISTER_THREADPROC_MSG handshake timeout. Retrying...
warn:  Message channel UWM_REMIX_BRIDGE_REGISTER_THREADPROC_MSG handshake timeout. Retrying...

🤔

[jade briar]

There's more than a 100 vinyls.

And vinyls can be layered in any order.

And then changing a single car part like bumper would rebake the texture.

You're talking about a script that generates millions of hashes for all the cars.

Sub Optimal.

[tawny elk]

That’s true it’s very poor way of going forward, but it is a way.

[chrome meadow]

It should work but I don't think that is a current priority for NVIDIA (excluding release version like Portal with RTX) given the early development and I have a feeling that it's even a lesser one for AMD to check their drivers looking at their approach in the past

[chrome meadow]

Well, this is a different problem, something is wrong in your setup I guess

[tawny elk]

Would breaking the vinyl texture to be an overlay or something be a solution?

[jade briar]

But how would that work. The game itself bakes the texture.

Probably to save performance.

[shadow mirage]

Interesting, know what it might be? Can you send a screenshot of your game directory?

[chrome meadow]

OMG, no decal?

[jade briar]

nope. rebake every time you change the texture.

[chrome meadow]

I don't think is that since RTX Remix seems hooking, something on game options or dxvk.conf or bridge.conf

[tawny elk]

Dunno, best to think of what ways that we can reach out solution rather than worry about the actual implementation sometimes.

[jade briar]

I think this is a problem with usd composer. It forces you to specify a texture for a mesh before allowing you to edit the material. I think the remix tool could allow you to setup the material regardless what texture you're using.

[tawny elk]

I think that’s inherent to the remix framework. It generates materials based on textures. I don’t know if the final tool will help.

[shadow mirage]

Thanks, I'll have a look.

d3d9.customDeviceId = 0110
d3d9.customVendorId = 10de
d3d9.shaderModel = 0

and

useSharedHeap = True

are already there, as mentioned in the pinned Reddit comment.

[jade briar]

If only it could generate material based on mesh hash.

The hashes in underground are very stable.

[tawny elk]

What if: when the cars mat hash changes, you update it to the car paint material overrides?

The mod usda does refresh when the file is written to

[jade briar]

[tawny elk]

Could do some hook where it updates the mod usda with the right hash

So the paint update state calls some function that updates the usda with the update hash

[jade briar]

i uhh

Well that's another job for u.

No idea how to do any of that.

I'm an artist. Not a

[tawny elk]

It’s easier than the culling so there’s that.

[jade briar]

Man says he wants to be more social so he can't work on the culling issue
Spends time on discord anyways

[tawny elk]

|| I don’t want to be more social, my SO does ||

[jade briar]

Uh. Show them the power of weed

idk never touched that.

[tawny elk]

Nah it’s okay, don’t want to have my social life fall apart trying to level up my reverse engineering skills.

[jade briar]

Understandable.

Now get to work.

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

I just realized. The need for speed chat is more on track than #showcase

Poor Kim

[chrome meadow]

Show NFS:U2 latest results, I'm sure will 180°, become an enthusiastic fan and start cheerleading you in the quest of defeating culling 🙃

[jade briar]

I don't think it's that easy

[tawny elk]

||Already explained it, they’re just bored with sitting around all day while I look at memory addresses ||

[jade briar]

The cons of having someone that cares about you.

[trail quail]

@tawny elk very low effort meme xddd

[jade briar]

💯

[vague sparrow]

0x5c7ec0
0x5c80cb

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

"the culling function is located at these addresses"

[tawny elk]

Babe wake up! I found the addresses!

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-schizo-crazy-paranoid-gif-25942618

[dark spoke]

the soy social interaction girlfriend vs the chad underground 2 reverse engineer

[steel crater]

give tutorial pls

[jade briar]

pins

[steel crater]

ye

ty

[tawny elk]

So this line gets the distance to a point in 3 dimensions but has a scaling factor to it:

fVar4 = _??CullDistance / SQRT(fVar4 * fVar4 + pfVar2[1] * pfVar2[1] + *pfVar2 * *pfVar2);

It’s the Euclidean distance formula

Which would defiantly be convenient to see if a point is a certain distance.

Oh so the loop goes through all the cases, but keeps the same param_1_00 set.

Where my math majors at

[vague sparrow]

Oh shit

Not math

[tawny elk]

Bad news: it’s all math.

The whole time, it’s all just math.

[ember cobalt]

ask chatgpt! it can definitely do advanced mathematics. in fact, it's so smart that 2+2 != 4 sometimes

[vague sparrow]

Time to find out permutations again

L

[tawny elk]

[ember cobalt]

it's good at deconstructing strings, but not actually working with them a lot of the time

[tawny elk]

Very true.

It also doesn’t understand ASM very well

[ember cobalt]

have you tried bing?

i've had far better results with bing's AI than chatgpt

https://github.com/Kim2091/helpful-scripts/blob/main/Dataset Destroyer/datasetDestroyer.py

it did like 75% of the work on this script

[jade briar]

Come on Adam.

Just a little longer.

[tawny elk]

Bing tries to search for an answer too often for me and makes it fail :/

[vague sparrow]

I don't think moral support works here

[jade briar]

That's all I can provide.

[ember cobalt]

ah, yeah. that is annoying

[tawny elk]

Bard is better at avoiding the searching, but it still tries sometimes.

[ember cobalt]

bard is just generally not great unfortunately

[tawny elk]

Bard thought it was the Pythagorean theorem, which I’d say is technically correct but not right in context.

Wonder what ChatGPT would say if I fed it the whole thing