Silent Hill 2 - Scattered Paths

[hexed gyro]

Speed Queen SDE 8kg Coin Operated Vented Tumble Dryer

this website has measurements too, just in case

[paper zinc]

That’s a real nice washer.

[hexed gyro]

Lol

I'm slowly finding more photos and references to make modelling easier

[vagrant hazel]

Welp, still a lot of issues that I need to figure out, having some problems importing textures corretly, many texture maps just missing and doing weird things, texture wrapping modes seem broken which is why the walls are stretching

BUT

Seems like lighting is working well now, doing what I'd expect it to!

WE SLOWLY GETTIN' SOMEWHERE WOO

[vague citrus]

wdym missing?

[vagrant hazel]

Some just aren't importing correctly ^^ Working on fixing it

My roughness and metalness maps for example just aren't here rn

Which is why everything looks so dull and flat

[vague citrus]

i thought it was literally missing 😅

good luck tho!

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh no no I have them haha, they just won't import 😛

[vagrant hazel]

Realised I wasn't outputting the game into the ACES tonemapper, explains why everything was so blown out and non contrasty

[vagrant hazel]

OOooh also

Volumetric lighting seems to be working somewhat okay now!

Turns out it only shows up if your settings are set to the higher setting levels though

Doesn't solve our fog problems in any way as what we need is distance fog, we can't create our fog by putting lights all over the place

But it IS cool regardless, will probably look awesome once we get the player flashlight working

[vagrant hazel]

"So how was your evening Traggey"?

Oh you know

Just spent it sculpting a buttload of little broken ceramic tiles

Because apparently sculpting them is my idea of fun

[paper zinc]

Did you make sure they’re razor sharp?

[vagrant hazel]

WEELL

I did bevel the edges

But that's because it looks sexy

[paper zinc]

Now UV map them

[vagrant hazel]

Already UV'd and baked

This, this is the kind of situation where I permit myself to use auto UV's XD

Because shit don' matter

[vagrant hazel]

Textured and ready, now to start scattering it all everywhere haha

[vagrant hazel]

Placement not accurate to the original game at all, just did a quick shitty simulation to scatter them around a little

But looking promising

[vague citrus]

walls are still stretched right?

[vagrant hazel]

Yup, floors, ceilings and parts of the pipes too.
Basically the issue is that the runtime is interpreting certain textures wrapping modes as "Clamped" whilst they are actually set to Tile

So sadly it seems to be a runtime issue that I can't do anything about atm, but hopefully there'll be a fix coming ^^

[vague citrus]

have you opened a github issue for that?

[vagrant hazel]

Exactly 😛

[vagrant hazel]

It's being looked into 😉

[viral glade]

ok, now we have LEDs, and functional buttons xD

in game looks much better, in the map editor it's kinda shit

[vagrant hazel]

Ooh you're using the fanmade level editor?

[hexed gyro]

I'm ngl, I'm just now starting to realise that I had no clue how good this is gonna look, even without the proper texturing it's already looking really nice

[viral glade]

yes, just to be able to look at each map faster xD

[vagrant hazel]

Aw thank you ^^ It's starting to get somewhere! But sooo much left to do

[vagrant hazel]

That's super neat! I've been meaning to check it out but then I got distracted with remix

THe screenshots above is also me rendering at like, the lowest quality settings with DLSS ultra preformance

For someone with a better card things can dramatically improve in terms of visuals

[hexed gyro]

It would be nice to eventually allow the player to have customization, imagine if you could slightly change how much fog there is

It's not possible rn, but it would be cool if it was implemented eventually

[viral glade]

which card are you currently using?

[hexed gyro]

I would tell you but I cant even remember lol

2070??? I think

[vagrant hazel]

2070 super

[hexed gyro]

Ah, I always forget the super

[viral glade]

nice, I have the same card

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah for sure, one of the cool things about remix mods is that players can tweak any of the post processesy settings whenever they want

Oh ALSO

Skeletal Mesh Hashes aren't stable, so it's doubtfull I'll ever get to replace the character models

[viral glade]

I believe that in the future we will achieve better performance even on these cards

[vagrant hazel]

But I couldn't help myself

So I started a likeness sculpt of Maria today

[hexed gyro]

Aw that sucks

[vagrant hazel]

Just trying to kind of get the likeness of her face down

[viral glade]

my favorite character 👾

[viral glade]

insane

The trees behind are the original ones from the game, right?

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah no those are my custom trees!

[viral glade]

If not, they look very similar

[vagrant hazel]

I designed them as replacements for the original game

So they should be similar

[viral glade]

oh yes, they are very similar to the ones we see in the observatory

[hexed gyro]

Man do they look good

Is that in unreal?

I remember you were rendering them in unreals path tracer before

[viral glade]

Did you base it on some kind of tree? I researched a little about these SH2 trees, but I couldn't find anything about them ;-;

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah these screenshots are from unreals path tracer

Having some problems rendering them in remix

But I'll sort that eventually

[viral glade]

These trees are insane, I imagine how immersive the path to the cemetery will be while watching them

[vagrant hazel]

So I too sat down and studied up on what kind of tree they actually are, but came to the conclusion that the actual shapes don't really match any of the fir trees native to Maine

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaaah! I'm really looking forward to getting to populate that place with lots of vegetation!

[vagrant hazel]

So instead, I had a funny little idea

What if they DIDN'T base it of firs local to Maine?

As us Silent Hill nerds know, a lot of various inspiration for SH came from Twin Peaks

And there's a very famous tree from Twin Peaks, the douglas fir!

It comes up often in the show

AND

The douglas fir happens to look pretty similar to what you see in the game

[hexed gyro]

I heard that silent hill 2s town is based on a specific real town, but the "town" was just a big crack in the ground?

And it didn't seem to have any houses or anything

[vagrant hazel]

So I decided it'd be fun to keep that Twin Peaks fun in the game and decided to go in the direction of that, but manually tweaking the branch shapes to match what we see in the game a bit more

[hexed gyro]

Ceralia? I think

[viral glade]

excellent reference, I liked it and support the idea 😎

[vagrant hazel]

Nah that's a rumour

It was first introduced in the Silent Hill film adaptation

Where the city was based on "Centralia"

Which is indeed as you say, big'ol cracks in the ground town due to coal mining or whatever

But this has many times been called out for being false by the games creators

Same thing with people thinking what falls from the sky is ash

That was also created by the film, whilst in the original game it's actually just snow

[vagrant hazel]

Hecc yes

[hexed gyro]

Yeah but that's the thing, there don't appear to be any buildings in centralia?

[vagrant hazel]

The movie version of the town was based on Centralia, for whatever reason

[hexed gyro]

So the Google search isn't really telling me where the town is based on

[vagrant hazel]

But the actual game wasn't

[hexed gyro]

That's what I mean, what kind of town has these kinds of buildings

Near a forest

I feel like it's probably maine

[vagrant hazel]

Aah, well Silent Hill itself isn't based on any town

[hexed gyro]

Maine has all the scary monsters lol

[vagrant hazel]

Although it is located in Maine

So the general area is really all we know ^^

[hexed gyro]

I managed to find this, the background used at the beginning

[vagrant hazel]

Ooooh shit wait is that the actual photo?

[hexed gyro]

It appears to be a different angle

Since the person that posted it had been there

So I assume he's the one the took the photo

[vagrant hazel]

OH SHIT IT TOTALLY IS

[hexed gyro]

The only problem is that it has different vegetation now lol

Because, you know.... time

[vagrant hazel]

Where'd you find that?

[hexed gyro]

On reddit

A 3 year old post

[vagrant hazel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/silenthill/comments/kmixu3/today_i_realised_that_ive_visited_silent_hill/

Aaah this one

That's fucking amazing

[hexed gyro]

Yep! Haha

[vagrant hazel]

Well I'm 100 % using that photo as reference then

[hexed gyro]

So if there's a chance we can grab a high quality version of it

That's gonna be perfect

[vagrant hazel]

No that's fine, I'm going to model the skybox

[hexed gyro]

That makes sense, then you can get the correct foliage

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeeh

This is also the only place in the game where you can actually see a far disant skybox

[hexed gyro]

I just realised, the backdrop is in England lmao

[vagrant hazel]

So I figured it has to be as spicy as possible

[hexed gyro]

Pretty far from maine

[vagrant hazel]

A lilt bit yeah XD

[hexed gyro]

Ah

There are addons used to grab the Google maps data, so perhaps you could use that (it comes with the texture too)

[vagrant hazel]

That makes me curious if they somehow just had the photo laying around from a personal trip

Or if they bought some kind of stock photo?

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah yes I used one of those once actually

To recreate 9 X 9 kilometers of landscape

[hexed gyro]

Yeah

[vagrant hazel]

That being Haruna mountain ( Mount Akina ) from Initial D

[hexed gyro]

Oh nice

My dad is a pretty big fan of initial D

[vagrant hazel]

Was an interesting experiment lol

I fucking adooooooooooooore INitial D

Oh well, sleep time for me! Night folks

[hexed gyro]

Night

[hexed gyro]

@viral glade just in case you're interested

[viral glade]

oh yes, we are also looking for the source of the original photo too, but it looks like it's some personal archive

[hexed gyro]

We?

[viral glade]

yep, the VGTP 😂

[vagrant hazel]

I WANT

[hexed gyro]

Who? Lmao

[vagrant hazel]

DAT

SOURCE

[viral glade]

Video Game Texture Preservation 😄

[hexed gyro]

Ohh

[hexed gyro]

Is it a discord server?

[viral glade]

we found a lot of content, about textures, and some locations

[hexed gyro]

Part of render96?

[viral glade]

yess

[viral glade]

idk ;-;

[hexed gyro]

Send a link plss?

Also, here's hoping the project looks better than this

[viral glade]

I will ask an administrator for the invitation link, unfortunately we cannot create invitation links, only those who have the discord role ;-;

[hexed gyro]

How did you join it?

Wait, I just realised how different the remake looks? I don't mean lighting wise

[viral glade]

LizardMan64 invited me 😂

[hexed gyro]

But the entrance is on a completely different side, and it has a door

[viral glade]

In fact, it was a funny story 😂

[vagrant hazel]

The remake is much of a what I'd call a "Reimagining"

It's not very faithfull at all

[hexed gyro]

Yeah, like it's close enough I suppose

You won't get the light bleeding into the toilets though

Since I assume the door will be closed to begin with

[viral glade]

I see the RTX Remix versions as a more faithful recreation

I even prefer it

[hexed gyro]

Yeah ofc

I mean portal rtx looks amazing

Somebody had pulled the image from the files, supposedly?

Based on a tweet they posted

It's such a shame they wrote on it

[viral glade]

oh yes, this photo that was used in the game is a montage, apparently are parts of 3 images together, it is from Derwentwater - England

[hexed gyro]

Yeah

[viral glade]

We tried a lot of reverse searches, and some even asked Masahiro Ito, but no answers 😦

[grizzled coral]

Actually the enhanced edition team found the location

[hexed gyro]

Yeah we know where it is haha

He's talking about that you're all looking for the source image

The thing is, there's no point in finding it if it's not a higher res than seen ingame

[viral glade]

It would be a great find if we could get the original image ;-;

[hexed gyro]

Only if its different to the one seen in the files

[viral glade]

as the game supports textures up to 4096x4096, this image would be of great benefit

[hexed gyro]

Yes.... but if the camera was only a certain resolution, then there's a chance its not even high quality

You have to think of when the picture may have been taken

[grizzled coral]

I wonder how the models would look if you subdivide them?

[hexed gyro]

Tbh probably not great

If the geometry was created weirdly (if they have tris or ngons), then it can end up looking really bad

Sometimes sharp edges get turned into perfectly round edges

There would be a fair amount of clean up if you decided to go that route

[vagrant hazel]

Stop writing interesting things I'm trying to sleep

[hexed gyro]

Lmao

[vagrant hazel]

The original games character models are actually very well made, EXTREMELY so for PS2 standards

They would need some modification if you want to subdivide them properly, but not as much as you'd expect

[hexed gyro]

Well yeah ofc, imo they're likely some of the best

I might take a look tomorrow, see how far I can get

I'm not great with texturing though, that's the issue

[vagrant hazel]

I wouldn't advice taking that route though

You can subdivide a mesh but with how the original game renders the textures and lighting and stuff it wouldn't really make much of a difference

[hexed gyro]

No ik, it would take longer than usual

[grizzled coral]

But It would be a fun experiment

[hexed gyro]

Imagine path traced SH1

[viral glade]

I admit I can't even imagine

my mind has not yet processed a high quality version of SH1 😂

[hexed gyro]

I want to see a project that keeps the original models and textures, but just adds new texture maps to turn them into PBR versions

[viral glade]

we need a category just for chat here 😂

[hexed gyro]

Lol

A thread in a thread

[viral glade]

I would like to see silent hill 1 in the silent hill 3 engine ;-;

[hexed gyro]

Silent hill 1 in silent hill 2 remake engine

[vagrant hazel]

That's just unreal 😛

[hexed gyro]

Ik, it is pretty unreal to think about

Go to sleep

Lol

[viral glade]

hahaha

xD

[hexed gyro]

What if they're lazy and the remake doesn't include the dog ending

[hexed gyro]

Similar ish to sh2 trees?

These are actually in the uk, but they're native to North america

[woven mist]

i made this someday 2 years ago in UE5

[ivory briar]

@vagrant hazel this is looking really cool 🙂

[vagrant hazel]

Thank you mate ❤️ It's slowly starting to take shape!

[hexed gyro]

Whats the newest version of Remix?

[vagrant hazel]

Whatever the auto updater downloaded for me haha

[vagrant hazel]

#remix-beginners-guide message

I just use this to keep up to date now

Very handy

[vagrant hazel]

Hahahahaha

I'm banning you XD

Right now

[hexed gyro]

Lmao

[hexed gyro]

Because he forgot to change the ground to match, right?

Right?!

Lol

[vagrant hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-meme-funny-super-excited-gif-12976197

[woven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-gif-23035933

[kind moss]

maybe my opinion its shit, but i find really fucking weird not going for the first SH for a remake

but at least its not SH3 the first remake LOL

i fucking love sh games, but 1 was my first, so i really hope to see more of that game

[kind moss]

funny

i think they made the sh2 first for the impact that specific game has. If turns out to be good, they go for the rest

[vagrant hazel]

SH2 is definitely the good "Business" choice

Although from a players and fans perspective it doesn't make a ton of sense to not give the first game a remake first

[kind moss]

totally

[kind moss]

i dont wanna think about tbh, but maybe they are do some little change, to open references for consecuents games (1 or 3, but you cant do 3 first and later 1). Its a safe choice, but also pretty reisk at the same time

*changes

*risk

english moment

[vagrant hazel]

shrug I don't really have my hopes up, I haven't liked Bloober teams previous games

[hexed gyro]

I'd want to see the original version released natively, then see what modders do with it

[vagrant hazel]

Well well well, looks like the latest runtime update took care of my texture wrapping problems!

[hexed gyro]

ooooh

[vagrant hazel]

Should you be posting images of that UI? XD

But yes, that is indeed the issue!

[ivory briar]

probably not but gotcha

thanks!

[vagrant hazel]

All my textures were being read as clamped instead of wrapped

[ivory briar]

good stuff

[vagrant hazel]

Tuned the lighting a bit just to be slightly closer to the original game

Hard to not want to crank all that shiny goodness lol

Now back onto the asset creation, I gotta replace and finish off all these temp models and textures

That urinal is like, 2 million polies atm haha

Gooootta retopo and baaaake, WOO

[vagrant hazel]

FRIENDS

I'm pondering something and would love input

So I working on the urinals again right

Here's the original

Here's my version

Now

This section up here, I'm unsure wether to interpret that M shape as something that should be part of the shape of the model, or just in the texture

Because to me, this works as shading and gives it a funky curved shape

But in the original, it's just part of the texture, but it'snot like they don't have the geometry to actually model it

[gaunt wedge]

hm. i'd say that it was probably intended to have it curved? then again, do urinals really look that way?

i imagine your new model would be more correct based on images from google

[vagrant hazel]

But I want to make the assets from SH2, not random assets from google

I'm not trying to change the art direction

Doesn't really matter to me what the real things look like, I want to know how people interpret the shape that's in the game

[gaunt wedge]

i'd go with curved

[vagrant hazel]

Does the "M" shape at the top look like dirt, or as an actual shape in the urinal, basically

[paper zinc]

I see it as dirt

[gaunt wedge]

and to clarify, i meant that general art direction of this game seems based in reality (at least, mostly)

[gaunt wedge]

looking at it again, i agree. just looks like dirt buildup around what would have been the inner edge of it

[vagrant hazel]

Mmmhm roger that! Thakns for the input folks

Dirt it is

[kind moss]

i think the same. I like some of the atmosphere of their games, but the story and execution not so much

at least here they got a plot outside of themselves

[vague citrus]

time to shit all over a urinal and photoscan it :trollface:

[viral glade]

Some interesting finds from today

[vagrant hazel]

Ooooh~ Show me

[viral glade]

MITSUWA brand

[vagrant hazel]

Hahaha nice, it's good to know that the local silent hill grocery stores are importing japanese goods

[hexed gyro]

Lol

[viral glade]

hahaha

This is old, I believe you guys already know

third poster on top left

there are other more famous references in silent hill 1 too

[vagrant hazel]

Oh hah, I had no idea!

I'm more familiar with the sources of SH1 than 2

Like the portishead poster in the diner etc

[hexed gyro]

Could that yellow one also be the shining?

Idk... kind of the wrong yellow but its likely they altered them to look more natural

[viral glade]

I'll see if I can find the texture file with better quality so we can compare

[hexed gyro]

Okay cool

[viral glade]

If so, it's a very interesting new find too 😄

[vagrant hazel]

That looks like the original texture to me

[hexed gyro]

Haha, I'd be pretty happy with myself if I found one

[vagrant hazel]

512 X 512 was the max resolution

[viral glade]

yes, this was a print of a print 😂 and it looks like it has a "gray outline" around the transparencies

[hexed gyro]

Yeah it's not the cleanest image I have to admit

[viral glade]

Without this gray outline we can understand the image better, but I have to search through 2800 images ;-;

but at some point I find her by coincidence xD

[vagrant hazel]

Just set up remix for SH2, you can run around and easily grab captures of the textures in a specific location

Makes them much easier to sort through

[viral glade]

it's possible to walk around the entire map?

[hexed gyro]

Well... you're just playing the game at that point

[vagrant hazel]

As long as you enable fallback lighting the entire game can be played from start to finish

[viral glade]

😂

I will try

[vagrant hazel]

But it's the capture button that's the interesting part

Just walk to somewhere where the asset you want to look closer at is, press the capture button and boom, you have the models and textures of everything in that area

[viral glade]

It's better than opening the map part by part in the level editor too

[viral glade]

HISTORIC ROUTE

(If anyone knows a better font for the number, please let me know.)

oh, original 4x zoom >> AI upscale >> manually edited

[hexed gyro]

eh, I dont really think the AI upscale is helping much

you can see what all of it says except for the illinois

and you cant see what it says from the upscale

[viral glade]

looks like a children's painting 😂

[hexed gyro]

lol and thats putting it politely

plus, Traggey isnt a big fan of AI

[hexed gyro]

I found a very similar sign

[hexed gyro]

even closer

[viral glade]

I really like to know the name of the font of the numbers on this plate (66)

😭

[vagrant hazel]

https://www.myfonts.com/pages/whatthefont

[viral glade]

I tried but it always gave me very bad results 😭 but now with this photo that Alex found, I got a better result!!!

[vagrant hazel]

Sweet!

[hexed gyro]

yw!

[vagrant hazel]

I've just spent all evening painting piss onto a urinal texture

[hexed gyro]

lmao

sounds productive

[viral glade]

😂 LOL

[vagrant hazel]

Going to import into the game now, see how it turned out

[hexed gyro]

nice

im looking forward to it

[vague citrus]

could photoscanned a urinal off a gas station bathrooms

[hexed gyro]

lmao

[vague citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/780234082855682059.webp?size=48&name=trol&quality=lossless

[hexed gyro]

and get close to it?!?

[hexed gyro]

wtf is that

[vague citrus]

if you arent touching it you are safe ig

[hexed gyro]

airborne diseases don't exist apparently

[vague citrus]

mask

[hexed gyro]

or just dont go near one

[vague citrus]

nah, sacrfices must be done

[vagrant hazel]

My phone camera sucks, ain't nobody scanning anything with this thing hahaha

[hexed gyro]

lmao

[vague citrus]

good excuse

[viral glade]

need some help here

any tips on how to reproduce these "rips/tears"?

maybe some photoshop action that does this?

[vagrant hazel]

Personally I'd paint it manually so I can't say much haha

Depends on what type of effect you're trying to make

[viral glade]

Oh, I forgot to mention, the black background is transparency

Erasing with a small/hard eraser is acceptable 🤔

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah that's what I'd do, with a supporting background layer in order to add some torn paper looks

These kinds of rips aren't typically clear and will leave paper shreds

BEHOLD

PISS

[hexed gyro]

I am beholding

hmm

not shiny enough

shiny = realism

everyone knows that

[vagrant hazel]

They're actually set to be very shiny but remix is currently having some issues with the roughness maps it seems

[hexed gyro]

ohhh

[vagrant hazel]

I do believe it also has to do with my hardware

It's probably nuking some reflections on my end to remain playable

[hexed gyro]

dlss?

[vagrant hazel]

Also currently having some odd issues with certain normal maps 😛

But compared to the originals, I think they're holding up pretty well ^^

[viral glade]

nice

[vagrant hazel]

Thank you ❤️

[hard kite]

Come on, It's Silent Hill not Shinny Hill, Silent Hill is rusty😜

But everyone knows that "shiny" == "realism" == "ray tracing" == "RTX Remix". So, don't worry, we'll be seeing plenty of shiny Remix projects in the future.😋

[hexed gyro]

Yeee lol

we might also see some really bad ones too

but hopefully they're good

[hard kite]

Since every project is still in the early stages, it's too soon to make any judgments. Let's wait and observe the progress over time.

[hexed gyro]

I know?

lol

[hard kite]

Every veteran starts at the rookie level, so perhaps they will eventually discover the right approach to make things look good. You know what I mean, right?😉

[hexed gyro]

yep

[viral glade]

I found the water texture

[vagrant hazel]

Ooh 😮

Lemme see!

[viral glade]

There is another texture that helps to close this pattern, I will organize it correctly and see

Discord destroyed the image quality

[vagrant hazel]

That's really hype!

[viral glade]

If you notice the red markings, it looks like there is a """deer"""

looks like a deer running

I based on this shape to find the texture

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[vagrant hazel]

Oh shit you rite!

[hexed gyro]

is it meant to go black every 2 seconds?

[viral glade]

nooo, see on this link https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099999195898847363/1198688214710497401/ps_5.gif

open on browser

[hexed gyro]

its still going black for me

no matter how I view it

[viral glade]

;-;

[hexed gyro]

like I see the water with the red boxes

and when it goes black, I can still see the boxes

[viral glade]

on my phone its impossible to see too

I increased the brightness up to max to see better

[hexed gyro]

this is how it looks for me every few seconds

it switches between that and the water texture

[viral glade]

on my cell phone it's difficult to see because black tones are very dark (OLED), on the monitor it looks more "grey" (IPS) xD

[hexed gyro]

even a zoom in is difficult for me

I made it a fair bit clearer

also, some locations in silent hill 2 are based on places in San Bruno, afaik

[viral glade]

it's from HD Collection?

[vagrant hazel]

I'm going to be remaking all textures myself, don't want to just grab other peoples work, besides it needs to be done with PBR in mind, old photo based textures don't really translate well to PBR

But I appreciate you looking out ^^

[hexed gyro]

Knowing what a clean version looks like is good to start with

sometimes dirt can be too visible, hiding the rest of the image

[vagrant hazel]

But I want to recreate the dirt

So it needs to be there regardless

[hexed gyro]

exactly, so having a clean version as reference lets you create the clean version, then add dirt on top of it

[vagrant hazel]

I don't see why I couldn't just create a clean version anyway?

[hexed gyro]

I literally just explained this

[vagrant hazel]

RIght and I don't see the issue?

Sorry I just don't see how the original texture prevents me from making a clean version in any way?

Don't want to sound like a dick or anything I just don't understand

[hexed gyro]

I never said you cant make a clean one without it

its just good to know what the clean version looks like.

[vagrant hazel]

Right I know you said that but I don't see what benefit it provides?

[gaunt wedge]

i think Alex just means having a potentially better reference texture to design the new one from

[vagrant hazel]

Right yes I hear that

I just don't understand How

[gaunt wedge]

clearer artistic intention, maybe? the example above doesn't look like a good case for this argument to me anyway, as the original is very much clear enough to be a good reference

[vagrant hazel]

I guess I don't understand how a custom texture made by somebody else helps with the artistic intention ^^'

Sorry heh

Feel like a dick atm but I legit just don't understand

If you have some workflow in mind then please do explain, always open to learn

[gaunt wedge]

i read the original post as it being pulled from another version of the game. if that wasn't the case, my apologies. Alex deleted it now, so i can't see it anyway

just do what you think is best 😛

[hexed gyro]

I deleted it because i just posted it trying to be helpful, but traggey made such a big deal out of why he doesnt think it would be useful

[vagrant hazel]

I'm really not trying to say it isn't I'm legit just confused as to how

I'd just like it explained to me that's all

[gaunt wedge]

i'm pretty sure this was just miscommunication. Traggey stated multiple times he didn't understand why it'd help, and to be honest your responses were fairly rude and didn't elaborate much

[hexed gyro]

my responses weren't even that rude

[vagrant hazel]

Apologies if I made you feel like you've done something wrong, I don't think that's the case, I simply didn't understand

[viral glade]

it's possible to change a entire model (like a character) on RTX Remix?

like replace Maria model

[hexed gyro]

I dont think characters are stable enough yet

but static meshes, definitely

[vagrant hazel]

For some games yes, but currently for SH2 this isn't possible I'm afraid, they appear to be CPU skinned in how they handle the rigging and animation

Which means it's not compatible with remix

It IS possible to mod new models into the original game, and then replace their textures with PBR high res ones through remix

However the original game has a hard limit on how many polygons the engine can render for a character

So we couldn't really make a huge improvement through that method

[viral glade]

Yes, I tried to change Maria's textures directly from the game files, but there is a memory problem in the files, the Enhanced Edition team (maybe) will correct this, just like they did with the option of being able to use high resolution textures (unfortunately only works for maps and some other things)

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeaaah, although the textures isn't really an issue, that could be done easily through remix

The real issue is that if I'm doing new character models, I'd want to make nice looking high poly ones

But old game engines typically had a VERY hard limit on how many polygons a skinned model could have

So I couldn't really bring the meshes up to a polycount that would make a great difference

And that's even IF we can figure out a workflow for how to integrate new character models into the old engine

Something that I couldn't even begin doing

[viral glade]

If it were possible, it would be interesting, I would put Maria from DBD, just for meme 😂

[vagrant hazel]

I already started working on a Maria model in the hopes that it can be done some day ^^

[viral glade]

nice nice 😀

[vagrant hazel]

I've even made sure that all my assets work nicely in UE5 as well

That way I can re-animate all the pre-rendered cutscenes using my new assets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaylJ7V41SI

This is a sneaky sneaky just for you guys

I actually did a test using a crappy metahuman model a while back haha

Don't mind the reflection in the mirror, mirrors were broken in unreal when I made that 😛

But I think I managed to recreate the camera angles and stuff pretty well!

[viral glade]

Exactly, the cameras are very faithful!

A shame that the pre-rendered scenes were lost along with the source code 💔 all we have now are the PS2 files 😪

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaaah so true 😭

[errant folio]

how did you find this texture? do you have some software that pairs them up or did you go looking for deers in water swirls like a crazy person?

[viral glade]

the story was funny huh...

[errant folio]

i respect the deer approach

[vagrant hazel]

With the attention to detail Robert here seems to have

I'm placing my bets on the crazy person theory X)

[viral glade]

I was on the Mehaniq server, reading random conversations, looking at some textures that were found from another games, and I was going to sleep

when I saw this

these bright spots even look a little like the ones I saw in silent hill 🤔 but how I will find a reference to fit the pieces together to test?

behold, the most understandable part for my eyes were these deer jumping

its possible to see a fairy too xD

but for me, the most impactful was the deer

now I'm trying to find the wallpaper used in the apartments at the beginning of the game, because their quality is bizarrely bad, it would be a huge upgrade

I believe it can help to recreate the model for the RTX Remix too

[vagrant hazel]

So basically! You're just damned good at spotting details 😉

That's fucking awesome man haha

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh yeah that'd be SUPER interesting to see!

I could deffo use that

[viral glade]

oh, not much, but I'm learning 😂
as I started to like the results, I started to dedicate myself more to looking at the small details
at a certain point it started to become fun, and challenging :3

[hexed gyro]

thoughts on this?

I dont think they're the same, but its so so similar

[gaunt wedge]

they do look remarkably similar

[hexed gyro]

thats what I was thinking

like, theres a chance it just had colours altered

[hexed gyro]

thoughts on this?

[gaunt wedge]

yeah, definitely looks like the same source that's just been ruined through compression

[hexed gyro]

yeah

is it close enough to say case closed though?

I mean, i'm convinced its the same

but I wanna hear what other people say first

[gaunt wedge]

i would personally be satisfied with that

[hexed gyro]

same

[gaunt wedge]

but i'm less strict than many

[hexed gyro]

yeah haha

[vagrant hazel]

That's absolutely it

No doubt

[hexed gyro]

im definitely convinced

[viral glade]

It seems like a lot, a lot!

[viral glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/800613959366606898/1198794302000730133/ap30_3.gif
more natural than the og texture I think

[hexed gyro]

yeah haha

[hexed gyro]

my game still freezes when I try going into the pause menu or something similar

like, I reach the main menu and try going into settings, game freezes

I press continue game and pause, game freezes

[high leaf]

i tried opening silent hill homecoming on steam with and without the patch

black screen both times

[vagrant hazel]

Homecoming is dx 9.0c with sm3

Wont work most likely

[high leaf]

Dang, since i saw it was at least 9.0 i was hoping it'd do something lol

[vagrant hazel]

9.0c is usually a hard no

There are expections of course

But typically no

If it had SM2 fallback modes it might've worked, but it seems to be SM3 only

[high leaf]

ohh noted, didn't know the c caused a difference

or the sm3

[vagrant hazel]

9.0c is where shader based workflows became the standard

Shader based games don't work

[high leaf]

ima be honest i barely know what you're talking about (:

oh gotcha, so like with fallout you gotta disable the ingame graphic shaders for it to start working

[vagrant hazel]

I suppose, not well read up on fallout but that sounds about correct yeah

[high leaf]

thats the only really thing in my knowledge i can reference

fair enough, ty for explaining it to me

[vagrant hazel]

You might want to read - https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1098785289838796850

There are explanations for all of this in there

[high leaf]

i did read it but its hard for me to retain it without like doing it hands on

[hexed gyro]

Try games lower than dx9.0c

Like for example, the first max payne, American mcgees alice, maybe halo CE... mainly 90s to 2000s era games

[high leaf]

I have munch's odyssey and had trouble getting it to work

i got monkey quest though and that started to work pretty good, it just requires me to do some fixes

i noticed none of the textures actually had their texture, and couldn't figure out how to give it to them without doing like texture terrain that combines all them

[gaunt wedge]

if you didn't see, you have to enable the "beta" version of it in Steam. Right click the game, go to Properties->beta->Original

this gets you the DirectX8 version of it. you then have to put this in the game folder alongisde remix: https://github.com/crosire/d3d8to9/releases/download/v1.12.0/d3d8.dll

[high leaf]

Ohhh I definitely did not, tbh didn’t do too much research on that one, thank you for the help and the links as well

[vagrant hazel]

Getting a little off topic here folks!

[gaunt wedge]

yeah, that was the end of it, sorry. just wanted to post it while i still remembered

[viral glade]

DEX Shashin floors!

[hexed gyro]

Is this in remix?

Or your own personal project

[viral glade]

Not yet, but I'm thinking about creating some things like that for Silent Hill 3 🤔

on RTX Remix

[hexed gyro]

Because imo it would be much better to use your texture in remix itself along with other texture maps

Because the texture itself looks great, but without other texture maps there's a chance it won't get used, you know?

[viral glade]

yepp

[hexed gyro]

Damn, now I wanna make a depth map to your new texture lol

Gimme a minute

[viral glade]

I can send to u

the file

[hexed gyro]

Yes please

[viral glade]

ok 1 minute

[hexed gyro]

Ty

[viral glade]

sent!

[vagrant hazel]

Now that right there

That just warms me'ol heart

[high leaf]

You are doing gods work, being able to play the old silent hill with same graphics (kind of) and gameplay but mordern? Absolutely. Keep it up for real,

[vagrant hazel]

Silent Hill 2 - Scattered Paths

[vagrant hazel]

So yeah, little update

Solved some issues, figured out some others! Turns out there were odd corruptions from my early access testing in the project making certain things behave weirdly, so I'll be doing a clean project set up which should take care of that!

But for now, the tiles are finally shiny as they should be, woo!

Also, I've settled on a name for the project moving forward ^^

The logo is still a WIP as well, need to work on the webby stuff more ^^

[cinder socket]

You're working off of Enhanced Edition, right?

[hexed gyro]

yep

[vagrant hazel]

I am indeed!

[cinder socket]

Hi indeed!
I'm Maxen

[vagrant hazel]

[vagrant hazel]

Accidentally made a demon urinal whilst playing around with the translucent shader

[proper grail]

Is that urinal a save point

[vagrant hazel]

HAH

It should be

From now on, i'm modding all save points into urinals

[gaunt wedge]

giant floating, rotating urinal

to save, you pee in it

[hexed gyro]

funnier, but not cooler than my lightsaber I made a while ago lol

[vagrant hazel]

Whilst it's rotating?! XD

[gaunt wedge]

if you want 😛

[vagrant hazel]

Ah yes, the good'ol pipesaber

[vagrant hazel]

You'd be a real devil at designing horror games

[hexed gyro]

lol

[gaunt wedge]

i mean, i could design a huge urinal with pipes for arms and legs that attacks you through urination. sounds scary to me 😛

[hexed gyro]

will it be possible to swap out objects ingame at a later point?? or at least through the ingame remix menu

because having a lightsaber mode would be so cool

you know how portal rtx has those codes you can type in that spawn different cubes?

[vagrant hazel]

Doesn't seem likely

But there will be mod layers

So one could make a "Lightsaber" layer and just enabled that when you want it

OR you could just go play SIlent HIll 3

[hexed gyro]

ah okay

[vagrant hazel]

Which already has a lightsaber

[hexed gyro]

is that even a good game though?

[vagrant hazel]

SH3 is very good

[hexed gyro]

I only ever hear people talk about SH2

or SH1

[vagrant hazel]

2 is definitely the one that earned the legendary status, but 3 is great

[gaunt wedge]

i haven't played any of these games yet, though i've heard and seen a lot of them. really should some day

[vagrant hazel]

It's a direct sequel to 1 though, so you should play the first one if you want to play 3

[vagrant hazel]

If you're into psychological survival horror, it doesn't get much better!

[gaunt wedge]

psychological horror is my favorite kind of horror 😛

[vagrant hazel]

2 is easier to get into since it's completely standalone from the rest of the series

[vagrant hazel]

THen you've certainly missed out!

[hexed gyro]

What are your thoughts on Layer of fear??

[gaunt wedge]

for any large projects being developed in this server, i wouldn't mind having an emoji dedicated to each one for fun

[hexed gyro]

that would be nice

[vagrant hazel]

Ooh that'd be funsies

[gaunt wedge]

i don't know what that is. i love psychological horror, but i rarely ever get to mess with it

movies tend to be my preferred medium for it

[hexed gyro]

ohh okay, well I think it was made by bloober team

who are making the SH2 remake

[gaunt wedge]

ah, cool

[hexed gyro]

I liked the initial layer of fear, but imo blair witch wasnt it for me

the scariest part of the game was getting annoying because I got lost in the forest lol

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaaah layers of fear just kinda annoyed me, most of bloobers games do

There's no real gameplay and the stories aren't really strong enough to carry the game through

ANd this is coming from someone who plays visual novels

[hexed gyro]

the medium seems like such a cool idea but there needed to be way more to do

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaaah, and uh, the story needed to be.. Not what it was

[hexed gyro]

even just adding some small enemies dotted around would have made it way better

[vagrant hazel]

The story of the medium is what really convinced me that bloober wasn't going to be able to do SH

[hexed gyro]

say what you want about the game, but the visuals were pretty great imo

[vagrant hazel]

Bloober has always had very strong visuals that's for damned sure

Well, the piss layer is kinda getting there..

[hexed gyro]

I'm hoping they just keep the gameplay the same

[vagrant hazel]

Making transparency work nicely in remix is uh, tricky!

[hexed gyro]

layers of piss

[vagrant hazel]

They're not

[hexed gyro]

coming soon, 2024

[vagrant hazel]

The remake is 3'rd person, and the director has stated that they're focusing more on the combat

[gaunt wedge]

sounds like a great way to make a new game that isn't SH2 😛

[vagrant hazel]

Exactly my thoughts ^^'

[gaunt wedge]

should be a spin off if anything

[vagrant hazel]

The problem is, they've made 3'rd person silent hill games with a focus on more combat

The last 3-4 games in the series were that

[hexed gyro]

I feel like its gonna be RE Remake style

[vagrant hazel]

And everyone fucking hated them XD

[gaunt wedge]

dunno how companies can be so blind

[vagrant hazel]

Well, this IS Konami we're talking about

So y'kno

[hexed gyro]

companies need to listen to the fans lol

what? fans are the ones that know what they want???

I would never have guessed

[gaunt wedge]

if not fans, then the sales statistics, lol

"this game didn't sell well? lets make another!"

[vagrant hazel]

This is the company that instead of making new good games, they'd rather sell you...

[hexed gyro]

yeah, see which games sold the best after the initial release window

[vagrant hazel]

SILENT HILL 2 THEMED SKATEBOARDS

[gaunt wedge]

yeah, lmao

[hexed gyro]

damn yeahhhh flip kick off of pyramid head

[vagrant hazel]

Radical dude

[hexed gyro]

most of the current silent hill fans were skateboarding age when it came out initially

[gaunt wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-rad-sarcastic-gif-13305208

[vagrant hazel]

I can't make sense of the translucency stuff, boo

[vagrant hazel]

Or rather, they make sense, they just don't have what I want

From what I can tell... XD

[vagrant hazel]

Good old softimage ❤️

Shame that tool was abandoned a few years ago

[viral glade]

yepp

2 interesting prints of the bathroom creation process, a guy on YouTube put a lot of effort into remastering this content, I admit that at first I thought it was just cheap upscale

just curiosities :3

[vagrant hazel]

Always super neat to see! Love it when you share this stuff

[hexed gyro]

I've just had a thought

with every new updated asset you add, its gonna become harder and harder for you to run it

[vagrant hazel]

Sure! That's normally how more works!

[hexed gyro]

well yeah but the point being, what if it gets to the point where you cant finish the project on your own

[vagrant hazel]

It's not like every asset is always loaded

[hexed gyro]

no but a single area would still get pretty intensive

[vagrant hazel]

I'll just need to get a better pc then ^^

[gaunt wedge]

if you pay me $800, i can give you my GTX 950

[hexed gyro]

wow, what a great deal

[vagrant hazel]

HAH! I still have my 1080 ti sitting around somewhere

[gaunt wedge]

i still have my old Radeon 9200 in box from my Pentium 4 PC 😛

sadly it's dead. it just... stopped working at some point. it got a whole 45 FPS in Midnight club 2!

[hexed gyro]

my "old" gpu isnt nearly old enough to compete in these gpu olympics

my old one is an RX 580

[vagrant hazel]

Do I gotta dig out my voodoo 2? XD

[hexed gyro]

lol

[gaunt wedge]

i just hold onto my old GPUs because i never know when i'll need them. obviously i'd never need a 9200 though, it's just for memories at this point

[hexed gyro]

you never know when u have kids and you force them to struggle on an old pentium

meanwhile you're gaming on a 5090 (this is in the future ofc)

[gaunt wedge]

i have an S3 ViRGE!

[gaunt wedge]

dang. i didn't know i'm in the future. that's cool

[hexed gyro]

Well unless you die tomorrow, then its somewhat likely that you're in the future!

[vagrant hazel]

Quick little base material for the sink done, tomorrow will be painting this baby up with grunge!

[vagrant hazel]

Workin' away on the texture for zhe zhtinky zhink

[vague citrus]

this triggers me

great job

[vagrant hazel]

I am questioning one thing

I've added these small damaged areas on the edges

THe original kind of has them, you can see the grey blotches

But in the original they're just not pronounced at all, which gives a rather different feel

But unless it's this kind of damage, then I don't see what those grey parts are supposed to be, because "Grey blobs" don't just happen hhaha

Side by side for comparison

I still need to work a bit on the streaky bits around the corners

But I feel like I'm starting to get there

[cinder socket]

I can feel the tetanus in that, great work

[vagrant hazel]

Lick it, i dare you

[cinder socket]

only if you pay for the shot

[vagrant hazel]

Sure we can arrange that XD

[undone moon]

Looks like it’s supposed to be chipped with cracks around it. Chipping looks amazing so far

[proper grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayKICAIUHkA Yeah.. we're going to need that RTX Remix version. 😆

[vagrant hazel]

THEY PUT ROCK MUSIC IN THE TRAILER

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

https://tenor.com/view/avgn-angry-video-game-nerd-what-were-they-thinking-what-are-they-thinking-confused-gif-17417919

[proper grail]

I abandoned all hope after seeing the full-screen barf effect with the big "hammer the X button" prompt

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah... I thought we abandoned quicktime events years ago...

[proper grail]

It looks like a bad version of the RE2 remake with a Silent Hill 2 skin

[gaunt wedge]

man. it looks like RE instead of SH 😢

totally destroyed the game. what a shame

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeh it really does, although kinda what I expected when the director said they're focusing on combat..

[gaunt wedge]

i thought they'd at least try to make it unique

now i want to play the original even more 😛

what platform is recommended for it? last i heard the PS2 version is ideal?

[vagrant hazel]

Silent Hill 2: Enhanced Edition on PC is the best way to experience it now

It has all the PS2 features but with widescreen support etc

[proper grail]

That used to be the case but the Enhanced Edition fixed a lot of things about the PC version and now that is the recommended version

[gaunt wedge]

i recall the PS2 version had better fog and sound or something? PC is up to par now? cool

i'll definitely pick it up then

[vagrant hazel]

Yes, the enhanced team has added all the fog back and written their own custom sound engine to replicate the PS2 sound

[gaunt wedge]

that sounds like it must've taken a very long time, lol

[proper grail]

https://enhanced.townofsilenthill.com/SH2/compare.htm

[gaunt wedge]

seems like i'm in over my head found one for $60

[proper grail]

Looks like the PC version should be superior in every way now

[vagrant hazel]

THat's nuts O.o

[vagrant hazel]

Ooh that's good news!

[gaunt wedge]

i won't be able to shell out $60 for quite a long time unfortunately, but it's good to know it's at least somewhat accessible in terms of pricing

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I've never seen it go for that much

And I'm someone who owns 4 different copies of the game

[gaunt wedge]

oh wait 😦

the $60 one is only for disc 3

the cheapest one with all 3 discs is $180

[vagrant hazel]

Are you in the US?

[gaunt wedge]

ya

[vagrant hazel]

Oh holy fuck no I thought the prices over here were better but they've fucking SKYROCKETED recently

Jesus christ

[gaunt wedge]

dang. found one locally for only $230 😛

[gaunt wedge]

you could be rich if you sold your copies, lol

[vagrant hazel]

Oh trust me I have a lot more expensive games in this'ol collection

European copies of Persona 3 FES

This fucking game sells for insane amounts

But ONLY the european copy lol

[gaunt wedge]

i think i have a game worth $130, had to sell my other ones a while ago unfortunately

[vagrant hazel]

That's a shame!

[gaunt wedge]

about to sell off the rest. that is, if anyone will actually follow through on purchasing. i've had 15+ people ghost me on sales 😦

anyway, i'll keep an eye out for SH2 at trift shops and such

[vagrant hazel]

Definitely do! I mean picking up an original PS2 copy is also a great way of playing it

You just won't get that widescreen support

But if you don't mind that, then it's great

Actually there are hacks you can download for emulators if you run the game on a CD that implement widescreen stuff too

BUT Sh2 on emulators is janky at best

Still has lots of issues with cutscenes and random crashes

[gaunt wedge]

apparently NTSC PS2 copies of SH2 are $100+ as well 😦

i should've bought a copy years ago when it was like $30, lol

[vagrant hazel]

Wtf

I bought a US copy of it about a year ago

For 20 bucks

At a local thirft store here in sweden XD

[kind moss]

at least, if they use all the narrative content of the original, it could be a decent game, but with a completely different feeling on the gameplay

[kind moss]

but with a controller

my experiencia with keyboard and mouse was hell

[kind moss]

wanna try pirated versions?

[hexed gyro]

Yeah erm... I don't think you're allowed to say that so directly

[kind moss]

sorry, im from a country where you grow up with things like that in your brain

[hexed gyro]

Yeah that's okay, I have nothing against the whole pirating thing, it's just that it could get you banned lol

[kind moss]

i see, understand

[hexed gyro]

for legal reasons I do not pirate and will never pirate

There's my disclaimer

Lol

[kind moss]

for legal reasons i like meatballs and burgers

[hexed gyro]

For legal reasons I'm gonna watch the new sh2 combat trailer

Traggey didn't seem to like it haha, so I don't have high hopes

[kind moss]

i try to never have expectations about things, or really low expectations. It was expected that the gameplay would be different from the original. And i think konami its trying to emulate some of the popularity of the resident evil remakes

but like i said, if its the same narrative of the original game, well, at least its gonna be a pretty decent game carry by the story

anyways, as an user above said, they could be chosed to do something like resident evil 7

a new entry, with new gameplay, but in the same universe (maybe even some characters from previous game)

that would be awesome, but oh well

[cinder socket]

Silent Hill 2 Remake's art direction sucks
it missed the target by a significant margin

forget the combat
it's simply feels devoid of Masahiro Ito's influence
it's feels more like bare minimum homages than an inspired remake

what a crapshow

the curse of Silent Hill continues yet

[vagrant hazel]

I've got my hopes up for Silent Hill:F though!

That's bound to be interesting

[cinder socket]

F's alright on it's own

but it's one of those "might as well not be an SH game" kind of SH game

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah very true

We also have Kojimas "Totally not PT" to look forward to!

[cinder socket]

I was working on a small passion project, a Reshade preset for Dead Space 2009 before the remake was announced, I made an optional colour grading that gives the game a reddish hue that's inspired by og survival horror classics, ala RE and SH(2)

I'd argue that dead space with that colour grading was more SH-y than whatever Bloober have brought us

what a joke Bloober team, they're going to fullfill every negative expectation and prediction the community have had for them, aren't they?

Well anyways, it is what it is

[vagrant hazel]

If anything it might make people interested in playing the original 🙂

[cinder socket]

I'm wanna work on Remixing SH2:EE out of sheer spite

no, contempt and hatred for butchering SH2's visual direction

that should've been the absolute bare minimum

MINIMUM

Like, are you kidding me? SH: Alchemilla the fanmade source mod nailed this better than the ones remaking the game?

[vagrant hazel]

Honestly I'm just making this because I love the orignal game

I was doing it in UE5 before the remake was even announced

Just for fun

What they're doing, and what I'm doing are just very different directions

You could say, the Paths we took got Scattered

Didn't plan that it was just meant to be a dumb pathtracing pun but y'know what

It fucking works hah

[cinder socket]

big brain

This is SH:A

This was done TEN years ago

man I'm so pissed

[vagrant hazel]

Mmmh yeah I played it back when it came out

Was p neat

I can't even be angry anymore, I just feel like a dissapointed dad X)

It's not like I had any expectations of it being good in the first place

[cinder socket]

yeah anyways

on a different note

someone should give Remixing SH:A a go

on a new thread

it's Source engine, so it should be easily compatible?

worst case, just run the maps and assets in Gmod

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah that should be perfectly doable, I think it just runs on the half life 2 build right? Not a later one?

[cinder socket]

That's why I said a Source mod, so it's more or less generic

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah but there are source versions that don't work

Anything that runs on L4D's version or up is completely incompatible

But if it's using a version from before that, then it should be possible to do

[cinder socket]

oh definitely HL2 builds then

[vagrant hazel]

Mhm in that case definitely give it a shot! Would love to see it

[cinder socket]

Source SDK 2013 at best

[vagrant hazel]

That might be too late

L4D was 2008

[cinder socket]

They do things different though

Gmod kinda runs on a heavily modified Source 2013

[vagrant hazel]

Might be hope then!

[cinder socket]

Portal 2, L4D/2, CSGO are using similar base builds

but very different compared to Source 2013

in a sense that they're like upgraded engine builds

[vagrant hazel]

Mhmmhm! Yeah no someone should try it!

I'mma stick to SH2 for now 😉

[cinder socket]

I'll play around either for the coming 2 years

[hexed gyro]

I still wanna try and figure out why the game crashes on inventory screen every time

and idk if anybody has mentioned this here, but Silent Hill Short Message is free on PS5

[vagrant hazel]

Idk seems to be a unique problem to you, you should check if it happens without remix on, and if it does talk to the enhanced edition team

[hexed gyro]

I've already checked, it doesn't

still doesnt get me any closer to figuring out why it happens

I could check the remix logs maybe

[vagrant hazel]

Make a github issue and submit the info they ask for

[hexed gyro]

im gonna check the logs first just to see if I can make any sense of it

and if not, then I will

but since nobody else seems to have it.... then idk

if the remix team can't reproduce it, would they be able to fix it?

[vagrant hazel]

Could be a hardware thing who knows

I don't know of anyone other than us and the people at Nvidia who have actually tested the game so

[vagrant hazel]

I don't know I ain't no programmer

[hexed gyro]

yeah, ik roberts tested it and he doesnt get the crash

[hexed gyro]

Could you send me your rtx.conf when you get the chance? to see if thats the issue

I highly doubt it though

[vagrant hazel]

Sure but as I said before, my conf is barely changed from default at all

I've marked a couple of textures maybe and that's it

[hexed gyro]

hmm

yeah, idk then

I can get in game, it just consistently crashes at specific sections

its not random like you said yours were

[vagrant hazel]

Are you sure you've disabled all of the settings in the guide?

And my crashes aren't random either, they have to do with replacement meshes

[hexed gyro]

I'm sure of it

Where is that file kept?

because... I dont think I have one?????

I checked root, and trex

[vagrant hazel]

It's in the root, it's generated by the runtime when you change and save settings

[hexed gyro]

and the rtx-remix folder

[vagrant hazel]

If you don't have one that means you've not changed anything in the runtime

But whilst my game doesn't crash in the menus, RTX remix does make the menus incredibly laggy

So there's definitely something happening

I just don't crash

[hexed gyro]

hmm

Do you know if its possible to change the sky yet

im in a section of the game with no sky

[vagrant hazel]

There is no sky

So no

The game just doesn't have one because due to the fog it never needed it

[hexed gyro]

so how would you properly light a scene with no actual lights?

im in the section before you reach silent hill itself

[vagrant hazel]

You can put a global light into a scene, that has nothing to do with there being a sky or not

[hexed gyro]

no ik, but im wondering how i'd make that section look good

[vagrant hazel]

It needs a replacement light

[hexed gyro]

the sky?

[vagrant hazel]

What?

No you need to place a directional light in the remix tool

And enable enhancements

[hexed gyro]

oh, I was just gonna rely on adding a skybox tbh

but if that works, it works

[vagrant hazel]

I mean you can try that, but the game doesn't have support for skyboxes

[hexed gyro]

how do you avoid seeing the floating things in the sky? lol, eventually add fog back in?

[vagrant hazel]

So you won't find a skybox mesh to replace

I don't know, I have a ticket open about that

[hexed gyro]

ah okay nice

[vagrant hazel]

If you're looking into it any info you could add to the github would be good

Because I haven't had time to respond to them

[hexed gyro]

I can take a look, but I doubt i'll find anything worthwhile

[vagrant hazel]

They want debug logs that's all

[hexed gyro]

ohh okay

I think its impossible for me to make much progress, since saving the game also causes a crash

i'll take another look at the settings guide

[vagrant hazel]

Can always make saves in a non-remix version

[hexed gyro]

true

[vagrant hazel]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues?page=4&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

These issues are also documented and linked to in the guide document

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/293

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/292

These two are the most important ones that need to be resolved before we can make any real progress

[hexed gyro]

okay

[vagrant hazel]

But yeah, I haven't had the time to download the debug build and make these logs

[hexed gyro]

i checked the settings again and im still getting the crashes

its only on this game that it happens too

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I don't know what's up I'm sorry, debug and programmy stuff ain't my strong suit, you'll want to check on the github 🙂

[hexed gyro]

Yeah maybe