Silent Hill 2 - Scattered Paths

[wary island]

have any patch or project for SH2 EE

[vagrant hazel]

No, we're nowhere near playable yet

[paper zinc]

I can not get lights to appear from my mod usda

[paper zinc]

Ope. The inputs: strike again

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I can't get it working either

[paper zinc]

Open up the mod.usda with an editor and replace inputs: with nothing

OV 2023 decided it wanted to add ito everything

[vagrant hazel]

Oh wait huh, weeird

[paper zinc]

It's only slightly aggreivating

[vagrant hazel]

Should add this to the documentation when I'm back home

Good stuff Adam

[paper zinc]

Better temps

[vagrant hazel]

Pay attention to the light direction by the entrance

If you look at the texture of the fallen door you can make it out

[paper zinc]

Ahh I see it

[vagrant hazel]

Niice i think it needs a bit of an angle too

It's like a skylight

[paper zinc]

Towards the space?

[vagrant hazel]

No like angled down slighlty

[paper zinc]

Lower angle?

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah that's good!

There's also a ceiling halogen lamp in there i think

[paper zinc]

Yea I lit up the ceiling light, but it's still kinda dim.

This is going to be a rough relight. So hard to get that original look

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah especially since we don't have the pbr stuff in yet

That'll change the looks a lot

[paper zinc]

Also the scale for this game is like 0.001 so it's all wonky to move things around

[vagrant hazel]

I'd start replacing these two places with new stuff if marks script worked yet

Yeah we determined the scale should be set to 0.78 I believe?

I'd dou le check but on phone atm

[paper zinc]

Works for me I'm never quite sure if I have the scale truly right tbh

[vagrant hazel]

Well decide on one that works and add to the document

[paper zinc]

Jame's car appears to be 2.5km long with the default 1.00 ratio

Wait. Maybe let me try a diff approach..

Yea .78 works 👍

[paper zinc]

Whew, not having the fog be at it's original levels feels wrong

[vagrant hazel]

Ikr? I tried playing with the available fog settings but they're not enough or straight up break the game

[paper zinc]

I don’t think the game used actual directx fog, looks like it’s just the texture.

I wonder if we can modify the texture to work closer to the original one.

[vagrant hazel]

It was custom vertex based fog

But the xbox version got dxfog

Although I don't think that tra lated to the pc version

The EE most likely does a lot to it as well, but those setti gs are not compatible from my testing

[hexed gyro]

You're attempting this again without me? Lol

Damn, I'm offended

kidding, not rlly offended

[lethal siren]

Is this base game or enhanced edition?

[vagrant hazel]

Check the OP, it's EE

[vagrant hazel]

Never stopped! Just waiting for the mesh tools

[hexed gyro]

Lol no no we just stopped for a while due to you being busy

Which I have no issue with

I just like being in the mix, that's all

Yeah, ai upscaled textures with correct roughness and normals is ideal, not that textures should be upscaled but that's basically what we want

[vagrant hazel]

Hell no, I hate AI garbage, I'm manually rebuilding every texture and model myself from scratch

[hexed gyro]

Yeah exactly, AI textures can look good but they just tend to have that same waffle pattern occasionally

Conclusion: AI loves waffles

[vagrant hazel]

Traggey loves human artists

[hexed gyro]

Human artists good

I am a human artist

At least, I think I'm human

[vagrant hazel]

Thats fair heh, but yeah when the mesh tool is out I'm going to go ham on this bitch

[hexed gyro]

Ohh I have something to show you, its an art related thing I was working on recently

I was messing around with a diffuse map

Should I send here or dm? It's not silent hill related

[vagrant hazel]

I'm out of town atm so on my phone, can check when I'm back home ^^

[hexed gyro]

Ah okay

I'll wait then haha

There are a few things I'd need to explain about it

And one big block of text wouldn't quite do it justice

[vagrant hazel]

Fair fair!

[hexed gyro]

So just lmk when you're back! Hehe

[vagrant hazel]

Will do!

[hexed gyro]

It's gonna be great when that releases

Or bad, if its buggy

[spark sandal]

you can do most of what you were looking into with the map editor c: just no changing non-map geo yet but it's the best we have for now lol

[vagrant hazel]

I don't think so, the map editor would still be limited to the original games polygon limits, so doing high resolution pbr assets would be hard

[hexed gyro]

@vagrant hazel You could start with pbr texture swaps

Which are very possible

As you most definitely know

[vagrant hazel]

I could but as I've mentioned before I'm going to remake the assets from scratch

If I start making textures now and then implement new models later, those textures will have to be thrown out regardless

So it's just pointless work

[hexed gyro]

thats true

[hexed gyro]

???

How

[vague citrus]

@hexed gyro

[hexed gyro]

What

[vague citrus]

You asked where's the channel for sh2

So i tried to help

[hexed gyro]

Oh, I already asked Traggey beforehand lol

No no you were helpful

[vagrant hazel]

If there aren't updates in a thread for a lil' bit it will close under the quick access menu

So you have to go to the remix-projects channel to find it again

[hexed gyro]

Yeah I did and tries searching for it directly via the search bar

And it didn't show up

That was weird

[vagrant hazel]

Oh, peculiar

[hexed gyro]

Strange things are happening

Silent things

[vague citrus]

Discord sucks

[hexed gyro]

Especially on mobile

[vague citrus]

Especially on android

[vagrant hazel]

Scared the shit out of me with that message XD

[hexed gyro]

Lmaoo sorry

I rlly thought it was gone

I mean, our progress wouldn't be gone if it was, we'd just have to write it again

Settings for people to change and stuff

[vagrant hazel]

T's what the google doc is for

[hexed gyro]

Well yeah

Tbh I've not touched remix for a whiiiile now

[vague citrus]

Every day i pray for them to bring back dlss 3 support

[vagrant hazel]

Well it seems we might be able to switch out models now, so I'm going to slowly get back into it

[hexed gyro]

Really?

How come

Using Create??

Or that software someone mentioned

[vagrant hazel]

I believe @gaunt wedgehas been working some magic?

I've been out of town so hard to keep up haha

[hexed gyro]

I've probably only visited the server like 3 times this week lol

[gaunt wedge]

yeah. there's a script now that lets you convert the model to a compatible format for Remix. it supports all of the major modelling software now

[vagrant hazel]

Fucking sweeeeeeeeet, Kim, you truly are a blessing

[gaunt wedge]

you still have to do the mesh replacements, but this makes the mesh compatible in a single easy step

credit to E-man for figuring out how to convert it properly 😛

then i added some additional support for those modelling programs and batch conversion and all that

so hopefully it's easier now

https://github.com/Kim2091/RTXRemixTools/tree/main/RemixMeshConvert

[hexed gyro]

Woohoo blender!!

[vagrant hazel]

Heck yeees, alright let's see what we can do

[hexed gyro]

You're gonna get back into it rn?

[vagrant hazel]

Well gotta finish my model first 😛

[hexed gyro]

Lol true

I wanna create a new model for the pipe

But make it something completely different

[vagrant hazel]

'ave fun!

[hexed gyro]

Well not rn lol

I'm watching Ben 10

[echo oasis]

Man I'd really love to help, but I have so many other projects I'm working on

love what I'm seeing though

[vagrant hazel]

Moral support is more than welcome haha X)

[hexed gyro]

Yeah! What Traggey said

We get real sad sometimes

[hexed gyro]

Doesn;t appear to be any real improvement from before, I appear to be getting better performance, most likely due to DLSS 3

but other than that, its about the same

I still have the bug that causes the game to crash when entering the inventory and pausing, I made a report a while ago

so yeah, not much else to do with this rn

I can't get very far with that bug

[frail scarab]

rtx remix has dlss3 now?

[vagrant hazel]

The new portal build seems to

[frail scarab]

holy crap

[hexed gyro]

Yep

but only for 40 series cards?

According to Kim

[errant folio]

I found the trex folder in prelude but couldn't find the other files. You know where they are @hexed gyro ?

[hexed gyro]

I think the only other file you need is the d3d9.dll

which will be in that same folder

[errant folio]

Oh spot on, thank you

[hexed gyro]

You're welcome

[errant folio]

Got me a 4 series, excited to try it out

[hexed gyro]

nice

[gaunt wedge]

there are some compatibility regressions with the new build. Skyrim crashes when you load a level now 😦

[hexed gyro]

eh, that game shouldn't work anyway

I think nvidia made it crash on purpose

[gaunt wedge]

the Prelude build is just optimized for Source. it's likely based on the Portal RTX binaries, which are different than the open source release

so when these features come to the open source release, hopefully it'll work

[errant folio]

Hype. Getting 100 FPS in prelude on Ulta with a 4070 at 1080

[gaunt wedge]

with DLSS 3?

[errant folio]

Yea. Had to turn it on in windows first then bam

[gaunt wedge]

nice

[errant folio]

125 I saw at one point

[gaunt wedge]

how about without 3?

i get about 60 FPS on my underclocked 3090 in comparison, using DLSS Balanced from 1440p

[errant folio]

Would have been an interesting experiment. Not at my pc but I'll get back to you tomorrow

[vagrant hazel]

Back to working on James car

And I'm like...

What the CRIST is this design? It's so goofy

Image the rust that would pile up

[hexed gyro]

Nahhh all cars have detachable roofs

[vagrant hazel]

Hard to find a lot of time to work on this atm

Buuut

SHe's slowly coming along

[paper zinc]

From messing with COD2, it seems like you can get SH like fog but it’ll take tweaking with the volumetric fog system. The particle textures for the fog defiantly need tweaked as a replacement to work right.

I’d think setting the transparency of the replacement texture for the fog to be something like 99.9% opaque would give us what we’re looking for

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I couldn't play much with the fog as those settings break the games rendering for me

Straight up just goes into "VR display" looking mode when tweaked at times

I haven't tested on a new build in a while though

[hexed gyro]

You mean the volumetric fog?

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah

[hexed gyro]

Because for me, sometimes it just kept getting thicker and thicker by the second so I'm not sure what would be causing that

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah that happens too

I've seen decent fog coming out of first person titles

But when it comes to 3'rd person games it becomes trickier

Because the distance settings are wonky

[hexed gyro]

That's the thing tho, the built in fog is a consistent block of fog

But that's not how it is in a lot of games

And that's not even how it is irl, like it is but it's just different

Like its thicker the further away it is from you, but that's not how it seems to work in remix?

[vagrant hazel]

Would you mind guiding me through the steps of setting this up? Trying it myself here - #1096847508002590760 message
And I believe I'm simply failing to understand something important 😛

[paper zinc]

Lights don't go under the mesh

They go under the mesh_$hash

[vagrant hazel]

Sooo, this?

Adjacent to the mesh

[paper zinc]

Yep

Oh

You have to do it to the mesh hash

Try using Emans tooling https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NvidiaOmniverseRTXRemixTools

[vagrant hazel]

I have to what 😛

[paper zinc]

It's makes this 1000 times easier

[vagrant hazel]

I don't understand what I'm doing though

[paper zinc]

Okay so you want to add the lights to mesh_D8DBEE...

[vagrant hazel]

I'm guessing the inst_ isn't actually the main hash?

[paper zinc]

Correct

[vagrant hazel]

Right right

So I've got to find mesh_D8DBEE2A2F4A947A_0

Instead of inst_D8DBEE2A2F4A947A_0

[paper zinc]

Yea

[vagrant hazel]

Okay found it, let's give this a whirl

[paper zinc]

It'll be mesh_D8DBEE..., there's no _0

[vagrant hazel]

Roger!

Hmm still nada

[paper zinc]

Way easier with emans tooling 👀

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah totally get that! I just want to get a basic understanding of it first

Weird, looks like my USDA didn't save correctly

It's still attached to the inst

Wait huh

[paper zinc]

You can just delete the inst part of you mod.usda in ov

[vagrant hazel]

It, duplicated them instead of moved them? 😮

[vagrant hazel]

Oh they're not needed at all?

[paper zinc]

That's how it's supposed to be, the inst is an instance of the mesh

[vagrant hazel]

Oh, right, fucking, durp XD

[paper zinc]

No it ends up making it hard to see if you made the changes right

instance stuff gets discarded by remix afaik

[vagrant hazel]

Deleting the instances makes the whole scene black

Oh, not black, just empty

[paper zinc]

What's your layers look like?

[paper zinc]

Expand mod and capture

[paper zinc]

Delete the instance part of mod.usda like before and then see what it looks like

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah yeah there we go

I was deleting them out of the stage panel

So this mesh DOES have the lights attached to it in the mod.usda

But nothing appears in the game, am I screwing up my paths or something?

[paper zinc]

go to where you're expecting to see them in ov

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah they're working fine here

[paper zinc]

Check under lighting in the rtx menu dev setting that it has the light source count your expecting

[vagrant hazel]

In the game itself yeah?

[paper zinc]

Ye

[vagrant hazel]

Roger

[vagrant hazel]

It does not, only light is 1 sphere light which is the backup one I've enabled

[paper zinc]

Enhanced assets enabled?

[vagrant hazel]

Aye

[paper zinc]

Hm

Did you make sure to add the preserveOriginalDrawCall to the mesh_HASH in OV?

[vagrant hazel]

I did not! I thought that was just to ensure the mesh still displayed, not the lights?

[paper zinc]

Nah, ya need it unless you're replacing the mesh

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh, hmm okay

I believe, we have, success!

Although it looks EXTREMELY different in game compared to the editor haha

[paper zinc]

Yeah, it's not a 1:1

[vagrant hazel]

Not even remotely close, BUT I'm supposed to be able to edit this in realtime yes?

[paper zinc]

Yea each time you save mod.usda it'll reload it

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah, that's awesome! Thanks a ton Adam, you're a champ

[vagrant hazel]

Making some assets for the bathroom!

[hexed gyro]

What's the poly count?

[vagrant hazel]

Not baked down yet 😛 So we don't talk about the polycounts lol

[hexed gyro]

what's the poly count 😂

[vagrant hazel]

Chonky

Well the wall pieces are just nice planes, so they're fine!

[hexed gyro]

Makes sense

[vagrant hazel]

Would like to try and get the walls replaced in-game tomorrow, see if I can figure out this mesh replacement

[hexed gyro]

Nice

[vague citrus]

Wait the hashes are stable?

[vagrant hazel]

Indeed!

[vague citrus]

[vagrant hazel]

Check the pinned messages

There's a guide in the google docs on how to get it running properly

[vagrant hazel]

Surfaces starting to look like what they should! Heck yeah

(( This is pathtraced but it ain't in remix yet sooo, expecting it to look worse when in game haha ))

[vagrant hazel]

James

[hexed gyro]

What sound is he making

[vagrant hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_w0yqivFsM

[hexed gyro]

Lol

[vagrant hazel]

It's mirror time baby

[hexed gyro]

In remix? Or...

[vagrant hazel]

Different path tracer, so no! I'm currently working on getting the basemesh of the actual room itself done so that I can try replacing that

But mesh replacements still seem proper spooky XD

[hexed gyro]

Nice!

[vagrant hazel]

Completely reworking the urinal meshes from scratch, as the old ones weren't accurate enough, I eyeballed the old ones but with these I had the original meshes as reference

So way more accurate

Not textured or anything yet ofc

[hexed gyro]

Baked?

Or not yet

[vagrant hazel]

Completely new coffee cans too, gotta figure out a better label for them too

The cans are baked, but not the urinals no

They WILL be though hah

[hexed gyro]

Nice

[vagrant hazel]

Currently working on the highpoly for the sink, want to do all the lowpolying of them in one go

Been proper busy recently though, just started my new job ^^

But having a blast getting back into this

[hexed gyro]

Cool lol

[vagrant hazel]

Lamps

[grizzled coral]

i wonder if itll be possible to make the enviorments and models look like the fmv models

tbh i would prefer having this style than having the over realistic graphics

[vagrant hazel]

I will definitely be taking a lot of inspiration from them for sure! Especially for the character models

I won't be aiming for that exact artstyle but my goal is definitely to get the style and mood of SH2 to an accurate state, I really don't want to reinvent the wheel and go in a different direction like the remake

Would love to hear everyones thoughts on general direction, I think I have a pretty good understanding of where I want to take things, but naturally would love to hear what different aspects ya'll would like to see!

Currently just working on the intro bathroom and trying to get that to a point where I'm really happy with it, hoping that it will function as a baseline for the rest of the project

[grizzled coral]

For me I wanted to see like what if the game looked like their fmv counterparts

[vagrant hazel]

Hmmhmnm yeah, I mean it probably could somewhat be captured? But Remix also uses a lot more advanced stuff than the SH2 prerenders did

So there will always be a certain level of not matching entirely

Especially with how little we can actually tweak the rendering of remix

[grizzled coral]

I also don't mind enchanting the fmv models

Like a mix of old and new

[vagrant hazel]

My plan is to remake the FMV's completely too

I'm making sure that I'm setting up all my assets to work with unreal as well as remix

So I'll render all the FMV's in unreal

Just some small comparisons where things are atm

Currently working on the pipe kit, it's not quite rusty enough to match the original very well but it's getting there

Getting all the decals in here will be the key to making it really pop! So excited to get that soon soonish

[grizzled coral]

If it brings any interest some of the source photos of the textures have been found if that helps

[vagrant hazel]

Yes definitely interested in taking a peek at that!

I know some of the sources for SH1 were found, but not heard of ones from SH2!

[vagrant hazel]

Oooooooh why does this stuff have to hide in a random discord server!

[grizzled coral]

Here's the matches that were found so far

Thanks render 96

[vagrant hazel]

Good stuff!

Won't do a ton for this project since it's PBR and all that, but extremely interesting regardless!

[grizzled coral]

I wonder how tricky it would be to convert the photos to pbr

[vagrant hazel]

If you want it to look good? Very

Better to just remake from scratch ^^

[grizzled coral]

I thought about messing around with them since I have substance sampler 3d

[vagrant hazel]

But that's honestly fine, the texturing part will not be an issue for me at all

It's mostly just about the time investment needed to model everything

[grizzled coral]

Which has a handy delighter

[vagrant hazel]

I'm very anal with my details and stuff, I don't much like the idea of auto generated textures from sources

I'm also very much not going to touch anything AI related for the project

[grizzled coral]

Understandable

I was also wondering if you would take some things from the enhance edition team

[vagrant hazel]

I'm building the project on top of the enhanced edition!

You sadly have to turn off the graphical fixes they've implemented otherwise remix can't run

But all the other benefits you get from enhanced edition do seem to function just fine in this

[grizzled coral]

Alright it would be cool if you could collab with them

[vagrant hazel]

Agreed! I think this project has a lot of work that needs to get done on it before proposing anything like that, there's many issues and incompabilities with it and remix at the moment

But in due time when things get smoothed over, it would indeed be cool!

[vagrant hazel]

Kinda digging this colouring for the pipes kit

[paper zinc]

Is the red rust or paint? 👀

[vagrant hazel]

Right now it's mostly rust! I've added some slight red tints here and there though

The original pipe is a little funny that way, the bent parts are SUPER red and rusty, whilst the rest of the pipe looks like a more natural rust

[paper zinc]

I think the UVs are wonky on the bent bits 👀

[vagrant hazel]

So I wanted to keep a bit of that red hint

[vagrant hazel]

On mine?

[paper zinc]

Nah on the original. Yours are looking great 👍

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah yeah they're very wonky! A lot of the elements are shared strangely too

Like the original coffee cans seem to use the same red area from the pipes

[vague citrus]

Y'all still working in the same bathroom 😭😭😭

[vagrant hazel]

@vague citrusIt's only me and I only have very little time after work heh

[vague citrus]

I know i know

[vagrant hazel]

But I do aknowledge that I am very detail oriented haha, so things take time

And getting this game to behave with remix in the first place is so hard hah

[paper zinc]

One day we’ll get proper fog support

[vagrant hazel]

I pray 😭

[grizzled coral]

So are going volumetric fog or nah

Since everyone knows the fog was there to cover the draw distance

Or how are you going to handle the dark areas where it's pitch black

[vagrant hazel]

Very good question! I honestly don't know, remix support for fog is pretty lacking right now and it doesn't play nice with SH AT ALL

So currently I have no way of doing fog that looks even remotely acceptable

But I think down the line, a healthy mix of both particle fog and volumetrics should be used

[vagrant hazel]

Been a lot at work recently so not been able to do much work!

But I felt like fiddling around with some vegetation stuff, been moddeling some branches today that I can assemble and bake out into texture sheets to use when creating new trees for the observation deck

[hexed gyro]

Nice

[vagrant hazel]

Sculpting some custom materials for myself

[gaunt wedge]

very nice. what method are you using?

[vagrant hazel]

Thanks! Just sculpting it, baking the texture maps and manually creating the texture maps from my bakes

In fact I just finished another one!

Very basic rust material, no fancy flaking or metal bits in there as I want to paint that stuff separately later

Figured since this is SH I'm going to need lots of different rust after all haha

[gaunt wedge]

lol, yeah

[hexed gyro]

Nicee

Id love to help but I'm not confident with my own skills right now

[vagrant hazel]

Just because I could now that these two are done

Slap'em into quixel mixer aaand

RUSTY GRAVEL!.... Because...

LOGIC!

[hexed gyro]

Lol

[viral glade]

nice work bro

atm i'm looking for sources of the original SH2 textures, but I couldn't find it in the marlin studios packages or in jeremy textures, or any other package from this date (90s-2000s)

[vagrant hazel]

#1099999195898847363 message

[viral glade]

because they look so "generic", I believe they were all made by Team Silent from scratch

[vagrant hazel]

Someone posted a link to a bunch of the sources!

Apparently shared in a discord somewhere?

[viral glade]

serious?

omg

[vagrant hazel]

Aye, just peek at my link there ^^

[viral glade]

interesting, I've never heard about of these packages, I searched archive.org from end to end xDDD

thank you very much for that info

[vagrant hazel]

I've never bothered looking for myself as I prefer to make my own textures, but it's super cool to see these things floating around!

Especially if all one wants to do is an upscale on the original game, rather than a remix version like what I'm doing

[viral glade]

exactly!

your models are insane!

they were really very beautiful

[vagrant hazel]

Thanks ❤️

[viral glade]

these prints are in-game?

[vagrant hazel]

They're from my test scene in unreal engine

So it's my in game assets but not actually from the remix engine

[hexed gyro]

I'm still waiting patiently for portal 2 rtx tbh lol

[viral glade]

oh nice nice

an interesting thing I found on maps

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh interesting!

[viral glade]

https://patch.com/california/sanbruno/lullaby-lane-says-goodnight

[vagrant hazel]

I have been toying with the idea of replacing the fake windows with actual interiors

Like, basic blockout interiors, with no real detail or good texturing and stuff, just enough so that there's actually STUFF behind the glass

[viral glade]

with the parallax thing?

[vagrant hazel]

Nah just actually modelling it

[viral glade]

oh

[vagrant hazel]

Remix doesn't do shaders yet

I think it would do a lot for the game if you could just walk around and see actual depth in the windows

A few props behind the glass etc

[viral glade]

yes, its something that would create a much greater immersion

[hexed gyro]

I'm not sure it's even possible, but that would benefit greatly from a 1st person mode

[viral glade]

maybe it's possible with the map editor

[vagrant hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K_wVAb8-R0

There's a mod that does it

I've never touched it because I think the fixed camera angles are super important to the game

[hexed gyro]

Ohh okay, so it's not even a remix thing

[vagrant hazel]

But like, it's possible 😛

Nah, remix is ONLY for visuals

Nothing else

[hexed gyro]

I just mean for screenshots and stuff, to look cool

[viral glade]

I think it's possible via CE too, on the PC version

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh right right, for screenshotting there is the Freecam mode in remix

So we've already got that ^^

[hexed gyro]

Yeah but some people might want a dedicated button for it

[viral glade]

If im not mistaken, I saw a cheat table that had this content

[hexed gyro]

Like being able to switch between first and third person

[vagrant hazel]

Ah well that'll have to be external mods they can install themselves

Has nothing to do with remix itself

[hexed gyro]

But imagine being able to walk around an empty silent hill and see all the stores interiors and stuff

Maybe someone could make a vr mod (again, I'm nit entirely sure what's possible with modding when it comes to an over 20 year old game)

[viral glade]

its possible

[vagrant hazel]

People have already ported the entire city to VRchat

[viral glade]

https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?t=17324

[hexed gyro]

Well yeah but then you don't get the rtx or the actual gameplay

[vagrant hazel]

GOOD LUCK running pathtracing and VR at the same time hahaha

That's not happening for another ten years

[viral glade]

xDD

what u can do now is walk around the city with the camera in first person on the RTX Remix mod

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I don't see why that wouldn't work

[viral glade]

but I really believe it breaks the nostalgic side of the things xD

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah for sure, not to mention that the game is'nt built for 1'st person

THere are no tops of buildings, and giant parts of the environments are missing because the static cameras never look that way anyway

[viral glade]

exactly

someone forgot this here xD

[vagrant hazel]

HAH

AH yes, the test bunny

[vagrant hazel]

Nice and simple little base metal for meself

Mmmhm

[vagrant hazel]

Some gross metal and plastics

These are just made by handpainting some grungy texture maps and using them to mask different pbr values

P simple stuff but very effective

[viral glade]

cool, it's very much the "grunge, dirty and rusty" vibe of Silent Hill

[gaunt wedge]

are you using megascans btw, or did you source these base textures yourself?

[vagrant hazel]

I paint them myself

[gaunt wedge]

entirely? nice

[vagrant hazel]

Aye

[gaunt wedge]

i made a few brushes for Mixer and tried this, but the results are a bit too basic looking

[vagrant hazel]

I make a bunch of different masks in photoshop

[gaunt wedge]

hmmmm. i'll have to give it another shot

[vagrant hazel]

Then inside of mixer I create a new blank layer and use these textures to mask it

The masks I create either by photoshopping pictures I take with my extremely shitty phone camera

Or I just paint them myself

The stains, drops and scratches for example are entirely handpainted

Wheras the various grunge textures are just photos of various shit around my apartment that I photoshopped

[gaunt wedge]

what's your process in photoshop? i have a few ideas on how to automate it nearly 100%, but i haven't tried them yet

[vagrant hazel]

Depends on what I'm doing?

For photos I tend to start by greyscaling them, running the shadows/highlight filter and then using the offset filter and clonestamp tool to remove any visible seams

[gaunt wedge]

that sounds somewhat like what i had in mind. thank you

[viral glade]

some progress on my source textures edit

[vagrant hazel]

Ooh neato! How is it compared to the original?

[hexed gyro]

How does remix handle displacement?

or tesselation?? as some games call it

I assume the original engine wouldnt be able to handle it

[vagrant hazel]

Displacement and tesselation are two very different things

Remix doesn't do either

[hexed gyro]

ah

[vagrant hazel]

Remix has a ray marched POM solution instead

[hexed gyro]

so you'd have to make do with a new model and normal maps then I assume?

[hexed gyro]

or this? I dont know what that is or how it works though so idk how easy it would be to use

[vagrant hazel]

It uses shader trickery to fake depth by using a heightmap input

[hexed gyro]

so its a normal map?

[vagrant hazel]

No

[hexed gyro]

so its not faking depth then?

[vagrant hazel]

It is

[hexed gyro]

oh so its closer to parallax?

[vagrant hazel]

POM = Parallax occlusion mapping

[hexed gyro]

ah

[vagrant hazel]

POM has ladder stepping issues though

[hexed gyro]

hmm

yeah not ideal

[vagrant hazel]

So it shouldn't be used on surfaces that can be seen from extreme angles

However when viewed at decent angles this effect isn't visible

Tadpole is using it a lot in their COD remix, so take a look at that 🙂

[hexed gyro]

quick question, has the metal pole weapon been remade yet?

[vagrant hazel]

No I won't be touching any weapons until much later

Focusing on environments atm

[hexed gyro]

I might make an attempt at weapons

specifically, the pole

[vague citrus]

mark fixed that

with a new technique

he added

i forgot what it was

[hexed gyro]

goddamn it mark

our saviour

[vagrant hazel]

Oh well then! Go crazy I suppose

[vague citrus]

its quadtree POM

below is the better technique

[vagrant hazel]

Good stuff!

[viral glade]

The textures are sharper now, more defined, but originally they have many overlays, fake shadows and other things, I had a lot of work to recreate this 🤯
but on the other hand, I managed to improve the seamless appearance (it's not perfect yet) and the fake shadows/lighting 😎

original zoomed

topaz upscale

real texture with adjustments

[viral glade]

the topaz upscale are very acceptable for some things we can't find yet

anyway, I believe this mod can be used with RTX Remix because I only changed the game files 😄

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah should work fine

[grizzled coral]

There's also real esrgan

[viral glade]

https://github.com/xinntao/Real-ESRGAN/releases/tag/v0.3.0 this one, right?

[vagrant hazel]

Kindly keep AI stuff out of this thread, I dislike that stuff with a passion. ^^ Thank you

[viral glade]

haha me too, but its only for references and placeholders, the final versions will have a lot of manual work 😋 ❤️

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I just don't want to deal with it in here, this thread is my little safe heaven from the AI stuff on the rest of the server X)

[gaunt wedge]

we'll go to #offtopic

[vagrant hazel]

Was an interesting process making a decent looking wipe/cleaning marks mask

Buuut I think it turned out p a'ight

[hexed gyro]

One of my favourite (not ideal) methods is by mixing textures from different materials for interesting results

I might use a metallic diffuse, but then use a roughness map from a different metallic texture

I have an add on that allows me to more easily layer multiple materials though, so instead I'd just create multiple materials and combine them that way

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah no that's how I will work moving forward

Currently I'm creating the base materials from scratch though

As I don't want to rely on something like megascans for example, as I couldn't legally distribute anything made from that

So I'm manually painting different masks that I then use to mask different PBR values

[hexed gyro]

I'd love to make my own textures, it just seems complex

[vagrant hazel]

It's just photoshop

[hexed gyro]

Yeah ik, but you still have to know how to do it

And I don't have photoshop lmao

You can most likely do the same in something like Gimp though

[vagrant hazel]

https://krita.org/en/

Here you go

Just as good

Completely free

Knock yourself out ❤️

[hexed gyro]

Ah, already got that lol

Just haven't used it much

[vagrant hazel]

Well then you've got what you need ^^

[hexed gyro]

How do the depth maps look after being created in photoshop?

[vagrant hazel]

I'm not making depth maps

These are just masks

[hexed gyro]

Oh okay

[vagrant hazel]

For anything that has actual depth like the gravel or rust I sculpt those

So I have actual 3D geometry to make normals and height from

[hexed gyro]

Okay

[vagrant hazel]

For the most part at least

Some I just generate from a painting using Xnormal

I made this ABS plastic one by just handpainting the heightmap in photoshop

Then slapped that into Xnormal and it came out looking great

[vagrant hazel]

Made myself a basic tiling concrete material, so decided I may as well recreate some of the tiles from the game

[hexed gyro]

Nice

[vagrant hazel]

Something to use for wooden electrical poles and stuff

[spark sandal]

Open beta for the actual GUI for Remix announced, do you think this will drastically affect the workflow here?

[vagrant hazel]

It already has

[spark sandal]

sick!!!

[hexed gyro]

and it starts later this month?

[woven mist]

Is SH2 Remixable?

it seems like mesh id's are flickering and not stable, isn't it?

As I tried long time ago, I don't remember

but if it is remixable, I want to take participate to remix it ofc

[vagrant hazel]

Mesh ID's are perfectly stable ^^

I've been replacing meshes in my mod

[woven mist]

Good to hear, so waiting for OBT of Remix App, yeah?

[vagrant hazel]

No I've been early access testing actually, so slowly working away on my end, but silent hill 2 has some interesting issues with scale etc that still need solving from the runtime

[high leaf]

Are you running the PC version of SH2 with the discs?

[hexed gyro]

no we are not

[high leaf]

Do you mind if i ask what version you're using?

[hexed gyro]

Well, I can't speak for Traggey, I don't recall him ever mentioning it

[high leaf]

Ahh thats fair, i was just wondering if im gonna have to go through my boxes to find it lol

[hexed gyro]

Well, since its basically abandonware on pc then its either a download, or your physical copy

I assume you can use any version though

[gaunt wedge]

since "abandonware" isn't a legal term and downloading such games (in the US) is still illegal, please don't discuss it

[high leaf]

is it okay if i ask if the website is safe?

[hexed gyro]

there isnt a legal way to play the game on pc unless you manage to find a physical copy, so im sorry but there isnt really a way around it

that method is going to be brought up at some point

[gaunt wedge]

that's how 80% of the games are that we talk about here, yet it's still against the rules

[high leaf]

it's for the safety of the server

[gaunt wedge]

it's just not safe to discuss

[high leaf]

it could cause it to be taken down, wouldnt want that

[hexed gyro]

the remix version cant be taken down since the files dont involve the original assets

afaik, it only includes the "new" versions that people will replace original assets with

[gaunt wedge]

just please follow the rules of the server

[hexed gyro]

look, you dont need to repeat yourself

[high leaf]

Its 80% a discord thing

[hexed gyro]

very true

[gaunt wedge]

i wasn't sure if you understood or agreed, you didn't reply with an "okay" 😛

[high leaf]

ive been in plenty in servers thatve been shut down due to the mention of it

[hexed gyro]

my hope is they re-release the original akin to something like the mgs collection

[high leaf]

that would be insane

[hexed gyro]

it would likely be in its original unfixed state, so there would be mods needed to make it better (like the one thats currently out)

but it would give people an easier way to pick up a copy

they should release the original SH2 alongside the remake to see which one people prefer haha

[high leaf]

i mean they've already released sh4 on pc

for honestly no reason

they sould be able to at least do SH2/3

[hexed gyro]

not on steam, afaik

[high leaf]

very sadly yeah, but GOG isnt too too bad,

[hexed gyro]

5 is on steam

homecoming

[high leaf]

oh yeah, and thats literally unplayable without modding it

[hexed gyro]

lol

[high leaf]

genuinely crashes constantly

still wasn't a terrible experience tho

[gaunt wedge]

GOG > Steam anyway 😛

DRM free!

[hexed gyro]

unless you're CDPR

all their games release on steam without drm anyway

whether you use their store or not

[vagrant hazel]

I'm running the game using the community mod pack called enhanced edition

Please look at the pinned message, there's a link to a document with information on all the settings you need to change for best compatability with remix

And the reason they ported sh4 to pc is that they still have the source code to that one

The first three games sorce code is lost from my understanding

I know sh1 and 2 are at least

[high leaf]

Oh shit if thats the case then that's really sad but understandable

I kinda expected that though, but i thought they would have sh3 though

[vagrant hazel]

It's sadly the case with a lot of the japanese games industry during that time

They just weren't keeping backups of things

[vagrant hazel]

Finally got off my ass and spent my lunchbreak at work submitting bug reports of the current known issues to the github

Also did some rewrites on our documentation page - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hayGXNlAJZWOp2ivV8otdSMP23pbXk7DL-pfLq5ZJjU/edit

Added new segments, updated the currently known issues etc etc

[twin pike]

Hey did you want to make a to-do list of textures and assets to work on and we can maybe collaborate as a group? I've also got photoshop and designer/painter. If that's the standard let's just keep that.

[vagrant hazel]

As of right now the game has far too many compability to issues for me to even begin writing these kinds of lists and doing that sort of planning.

My current idea is to recreate the opening bathroom and Observation deck to a satisfactory level of visual quality in order to establish a benchmark for what the rest of the project will be like.

I'm not sure about starting a team for the project yet, or even if I wish to at all, I'm VERY anal about things and I absolutely loathe AI generative tools etc etc so I feel like I would personally be a huge hinderance towards people actually contributing haha

[twin pike]

The reason I pitched it, is it seems like our standards align. I'm very anti AI texture authoring purely on an aesthetic level.
I get you though.

[vagrant hazel]

If I was to start a team for the project, I'd want to vet everyone on said team very heavily, but I'm definitely not against the idea!

If anyone out there does feel like joining up then do come talk to me and show what you can do ^^

[twin pike]

I'll send you some textures when I get a free moment.

[vagrant hazel]

Cool, looking forward to peeking ^^

Currently doing my best to figure out what exactly is featured in these heaven's night posters

It's Maria obviously, but I can't quite figure out the background

It looks like she might be sitting in a white chair?

With perhaps a forest sky as the background?

THought it might be the chair from the Labyrinth cutscene

But it doesn't quite match

She also appears to be wearing the beta version of her outfit -

[woven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-hill2-james-honey-dance-james-silent-hill2james-dance-gif-22882776

[vagrant hazel]

Gotta remix that

[gaunt wedge]

lol

[woven mist]

I played with latest version of remix and what I understood is SH3 is more stable then SH2 in remixing)

[vagrant hazel]

Oh? That's good news! What parts are more stable?

[woven mist]

SH2 cutscenes are broken, textures gone in engine cutscenes, no light sources(i think it's because of how SH games are working, I think there's no light sources ingame, instead of this, game creating fake shadows and imitate of GI, I just think how it's works, we need pickup flashlight to be sure on 100%)

[vagrant hazel]

CUtscenes work perfectly fine for me

But yes the materials seem to stop rendering during in engine cutscenes, I reported this issue the other day, it's a weird one

[woven mist]

and when changing level, materials are also disappear

[vagrant hazel]

And no the lights do not work at all

I've confirmed that the flashlight is non-functional

Did you follow my guide on the set up?

[woven mist]

Is there something special?

[vagrant hazel]

There's a lot yes

[woven mist]

I just disabled all fixes and graphic features

[vagrant hazel]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hayGXNlAJZWOp2ivV8otdSMP23pbXk7DL-pfLq5ZJjU/edit

There are in-engine settings you need to turn off too

[woven mist]

Schizophrenia mod

[vagrant hazel]

SH2 uses stencil shadows, which are basically created through geometry

So unless you disable that you'll get very odd skirts around objects when the flashlight is on

And james will ahve a weird ghost like shadow on the ground under himself

[hexed gyro]

is it possible to attach a light to the flashlight yet?

[vagrant hazel]

No

Remix can't detect lights

[hexed gyro]

or at least swap out the textures to create an emission texture?

[vagrant hazel]

That won't solve the issue

Because turning the flashlight on and off has gameplay effects

[woven mist]

Not possible to attach emmissive material to James, unstable geometry hash on him

[vagrant hazel]

Oh? I'm getting stable hashes on james

[hexed gyro]

thats why you attach it to the flashlight

[vagrant hazel]

At least I think I am

He isn't flashing when I walk around

[hexed gyro]

im pretty sure I did too, when I tried

[vagrant hazel]

Again, won't work because the flashlight is on the character model wether it's turned on or off

[woven mist]

GHoST

[vagrant hazel]

Curious, the game looks much less stable for you than it is for me

I have a section on known issues at the bottom of the document

[woven mist]

What the hell, now I can't exit from WC

[hexed gyro]

Where even is that?

[woven mist]

1st location

[hexed gyro]

oh

[vagrant hazel]

It's the start of the game

[woven mist]

Mirror WC

@vagrant hazel Are u have WC textures?

[vagrant hazel]

Yes

[woven mist]

Ye this hell game is unstable for me

have you tried replace meshes?

I saw you remastered james car

[vagrant hazel]

Yes I have working mesh replacements

The texture settings are a little funky right now and light replacements aren't working great

But these are some of my new models and textures in game

[woven mist]

I see

[vagrant hazel]

That mirror is a new properly path traced mirror for example

[woven mist]

Bottles and pipe

[vagrant hazel]

Not the fake hole

[woven mist]

ooh

nice

[hexed gyro]

the sink stands out to me so much

[vagrant hazel]

Weall yeah it's not done yet obviously

[hexed gyro]

theres some light bouncing against the bottom edge though

[vagrant hazel]

This is just a test to see if the mesh replacements even function

[woven mist]

anyway, that's cool

[hexed gyro]

so it looks a lot better than the original sink already

[vagrant hazel]

Currently a lot of issues to solve with the mesh and texture importing part, and as I said new lights a kinda fucked up

But it's getting somewhere

[hexed gyro]

I wish it was easier to replace meshes

i've tried, but it always seems so confusing lol

maybe im just stupid

im not saying it should be a 1 button replacement or anything

[woven mist]

I can't wait Remix tool, because USD Composer require too many steps to manipulate with captures

[vagrant hazel]

I obviously can't say anything about it, but early access has been cool

Enjoying it

Although there are still so many issues with SH2 that needs resolving before I can really power ahead with remastering everything

Buuut it's slowly moving forward

[hexed gyro]

I feel confident that a single artist is eventually going to be able to do all this themselves

as opposed to a few people per project

[vagrant hazel]

I am already a single artist 😛

[hexed gyro]

yes but you're not the only person working on this, afaik

[woven mist]

I think we'll get Remake in Autumn 2024, so hope Konami won't shit yourself again

[vagrant hazel]

Oh? I didn't know anyone else was doing SH2 stuff? Would love to see what they're up to!

[hexed gyro]

plus, you cant do everything due to the program being in roughly early development

[hexed gyro]

all I remember is some people wanting to get into it? I cant say for sure that they're actually doing anything

[woven mist]

that because people need to collaborate

[hexed gyro]

very true

[woven mist]

Ahh, I remember this guy

he was remaking SH on UE5

[vagrant hazel]

Yes there has been mentions of it but I haven't seen anything

[hexed gyro]

which guy?

[woven mist]

w8

I'll find

[hexed gyro]

because I havent been spending tons of time here, i just assumed people were collaborating and I just didnt see any of it

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah okay, no it's just me so far

[woven mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwq-knfG-2M&feature=youtu.be

[hexed gyro]

ah okay

I remember I was helping too

but you know

im not good enough at creating final products as of rn

so i just kinda stopped lol

[vagrant hazel]

I mean it's not like I have some kind of monopoly on remixing SH2 ^^

I'd find it super interesting to see what others are doing

[hexed gyro]

true

this is unrelated but, im playing roblox rn and cant tell if this is a bump/normal map or just roughness

[paper zinc]

roughness map

[viral glade]

These washing machines are based on Speed Queen washing machines

[vagrant hazel]

Oh? That's awesome, do you have any references of the real model?

[hexed gyro]

the alt name is too much for me

[viral glade]

I'm trying to decipher the smaller writings to recreate some parts of it xD

[hexed gyro]

likely something like this

[vagrant hazel]

Aah yes, this'd be the one wouldn't it

That's really cool knowledge, thank you for sharing! ^^

[viral glade]

yes, of course, but maybe they changed it a little so as not to take copyright 😄

[hexed gyro]

presumably, unless there was a very similar looking model by the same company

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah no for sure, I'd be trying to make the one from the game naturally, and not its real life counterpart

Same approach I'm taking with James's car

[hexed gyro]

yeah ofc

you could try making your own alt

"Speed Demon" lol

[vagrant hazel]

If we know for a fact that the game calls it Speed King then I'll stick to that for sure

[hexed gyro]

okay

[viral glade]

It's not perfect, but I'm trying to get as close as possible to the game's original model 😄 maybe these references can be useful to recreate the assets
any news I will post here 🙂

[hexed gyro]

just for reference, incase you needed to put this much detail in lol

[vagrant hazel]

Looking like a very solid start! Good stuff mate

[hexed gyro]

idek if you would use these as refs, or just make your own stickers

[viral glade]

If you can get any photos of this part it would be very useful too, because in the game it just looks like a ....... nothing - the texture in the case 😂

[hexed gyro]

yep, found one

[viral glade]

I think it's the part where you deposit the coins

[vagrant hazel]

Can this part ever actually be properly seen in game though?

Because details are cool and all, but let's not waste insane amounts of time modeling details that aren't actually visible haha

[hexed gyro]

can you show us all of the different angles you would naturally see the washer in?

for example traggey probably isnt gonna detail the bottom, or any of the sides that are flush with the wall

[vagrant hazel]

This is just the washer from the juice drop room isn't it?

[viral glade]

I believe it's more or less at this angle, but there are several of these machines in the first 2 buildings

[hexed gyro]

oh then yeah you would probably see that

with light bouncing off of it, etc

[viral glade]

sorry for the long FOV

[hexed gyro]

because presumably we would be able to get the flashlight working at some point

[vagrant hazel]

I don't actually know where exactly it shows up though so shrug

[hexed gyro]

its near the beginning I think

in the hotel

[vagrant hazel]

Well yes I know where the- Oh you posted a screenshot

Didn't see that

[hexed gyro]

haha

[vagrant hazel]

Yeyeye so it's just the trash chute room

[viral glade]

😄

[hexed gyro]

yeah, so we would very likely see that in the game

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah in that case the camera angle is from high above

I think the angle is also from the other side of the room

So not sure if you ever actually see the fronts

BUT, that doesn't matter, the stuff should be there regardless

[hexed gyro]

if the camera can see into it, then it should be there

but theres probably no need to detail the bottom

[vagrant hazel]

This part will be fun figuring out hah

[hexed gyro]

unless they reuse the same asset elsewhere and you see the bottom

[viral glade]

It's not something we should spend a lot of time inserting details, but it's funny to recreate the tags/prints of this washer 😄

[viral glade]

hahaha

[hexed gyro]

well idk, people will very likely see more of the details here than in the original

[viral glade]

that 144p texts

[vagrant hazel]

I absolutely LOVE those kinds of details ngl

I'm all in favour of going crazy with it 😛

[hexed gyro]

same, if I was skilled enough I would absolutely create those details on my models

[vagrant hazel]

Roberte's doing soem cool stuff there though!

[viral glade]

I saw you were also looking for the Heaven's Night poster in the observatory bathroom

[vagrant hazel]

I like the approach of making sure that all the letter is on point

When recreating posters and other things like this for the game I don't want the new high res text to look like it's completely different text

[vagrant hazel]

Yes! So I've been working on making a higher res version of it with a shitty overpaint I did

Just kinda trying to figure out the actual looks

[viral glade]

I think the same way

[vagrant hazel]

I am naturally working on higher res remade models for all the characters, so I can just render out Maria

However, I can't really figure out what the background is

It looks like a white chair and some trees or something

Perhaps a ruined drape of some kind?

[viral glade]

This is also one of the things I was trying to decipher a few days ago

[hexed gyro]

I checked render96 for video game texture matches and didnt find silent hill 2 in there

[vagrant hazel]

I did this mockup

Of course, not what I'm actually going to use! Just, trying to figure out what I'm actually looking at

[viral glade]

I thought about downloading the HD Collection version to see if they changed anything in the textures (to be able to see these lost details, texts, etc... - as a more reliable source of data), but apparently it was just a low-budget upscale and really lame manual adjustments.

[vagrant hazel]

The bottom text just looks like "GU" to me haha

[hexed gyro]

You could still use it though, as a stand in for the original

unless you'd rather keep it original until the final version is created

[vagrant hazel]

Not only is it an upscale, they DID replace some text actually

ANd it's quite infamous for being really badly done

[viral glade]

I think you captured the point perfectly

[vagrant hazel]

They replaced the Silent Hill Ranch font with COMIC SANS

[hexed gyro]

omg NO

oh that reminds me

I ordered this freddie mercury statue

from the official queen store

and

[vagrant hazel]

See, this is what my mind thinks it looks like

But at the same time

This poster makes no sense for a bar? XD

Why would she be in front of a bunch of trees

[hexed gyro]

this officially licenced statue of Freddie

from their store

look at the plaque

[viral glade]

Actually I thought they could have used some of the original texture files, but apparently they replaced them with others...
...not to mention these Comic Sans haha

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah the HD collection is infamous for being a really bad job

The HD collection also worked from an earlier code base because the source code to the final release was lost

[viral glade]

comic sans everywhere 😂

[hexed gyro]

ikr

[vagrant hazel]

So it has a ton of more bugs and errors that the original release didn't have

[hexed gyro]

it doesnt bother me much with the statue though because the statue itself is fine

[viral glade]

It's really a shame that the source code was lost, I also heard that this happened with several other games from that time, due to the habit of not storing backups - in addition to having lost parts of the game during development (SH1 and SH2), and having to start from the scratch some parts

[hexed gyro]

Saints Row 2 aswell

SH2 and SR2 lol

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah, it's extremely common on the japanese side of games development from that time

[viral glade]

a man without a backup is not a complete man

[vagrant hazel]

They were really bad at keeping backups

Also another interesting point of the Maria poster

It's pretty clear to me now that she's sitting in a white chair

Why would she be doing that in a forrest

Makes me think the background really must be drapes or something

[hexed gyro]

they definitely just edited it in

[vagrant hazel]

Could be worth looking around the bar itself to see if we can find something that would kinda match

[hexed gyro]

it looks like she's high above the trees

so it looks like an edit to me

[vagrant hazel]

If they even are trees

[hexed gyro]

true

[vagrant hazel]

The version with the trees is just what my brain saw 😛

Could be anything

[viral glade]

At first glance, when I played Maria's story for the first time, I thought the poster referred to that small room where we started in her game.

But I don't know for sure

[vagrant hazel]

Given that Marias story was developed later that's probably not the case

But it's definitely a good place to look through

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah doesn't look like it matches, although if we can't find a better match that might still be a good point of reference

[viral glade]

but it's really VERY difficult to understand the background of the image

[hexed gyro]

is there a way to save an image file on a website if I cant just "save" it

[vagrant hazel]

Just click print screen

[viral glade]

Maria looking at us

[vagrant hazel]

I'm being judged

[viral glade]

xDDD

This poster is interesting too

[vagrant hazel]

HAH

Let's be real

They probably plagiarised the hell out of that

A lot of the textures for Silent Hill 1 are infamously just screengrabs from the movie "Kindergarten Cop"

[hexed gyro]

lmao

thats what im slowly starting to like about games that didnt use pbr

[viral glade]

exactly haha, I'm looking for these sources to recreate some paintings xD

[hexed gyro]

you could use a screengrab from a film and it would look just fine as a texture

[vagrant hazel]

Siiick! Keep us updated ^^

[viral glade]

I've been working on that too

upscale

my version

I looked for about 3 hours until I found the photo with the perfect angle

[hexed gyro]

thats so much better

[hexed gyro]

i mentioned that I found a pic

but I got side tracked

its not the best

[vagrant hazel]

Oh that's brilliant!

Anyway, late over here, I gotta hit the sack, talk to ya'll later!

[viral glade]

Have a good rest my friend!

😄

[viral glade]

perfect!!! thxxx

[hexed gyro]

quick question, are you a 3d artist? or just 2d

[viral glade]

with this image I can already get an idea of the measurements, colors, etc.

[hexed gyro]

nice

I suck at measurements of things

[viral glade]

I'm learning a little about 3D, I found it very interesting, but currently I only work with 2D things ;-;

[hexed gyro]

ah okay

im still trying to find the rough year of that washing machine

to find more images that could be useful

I tried "early 2000's" with only a few

i also tried "90's"

and it was the same brand, but completely different design

[viral glade]

Yes, exactly!

[hexed gyro]

its crazy how their designs varied so much

[viral glade]

There are some groups dedicated to looking for the source textures of some games, I found some people who found a lot of content on old CDs

used on SH2

[hexed gyro]

yeah I checked render 96 but SH2 wasnt even on there

I also found this photo

which is a bit more of a closeup

[viral glade]

@gabishy and @mehanic were vital pieces in finding different sources of the textures 🔥

[hexed gyro]

the thing is, very slightly different on the coin operated part?

[hexed gyro]

nicee

[viral glade]

I used this photo to base the "permanent press" text 😄

[hexed gyro]

ohh nice

oh yeah Traggey found it earlier

[viral glade]

Yes, I think it's an adaptation for coins from other countries, but that bottom part where there's a "lock" already gives me a good idea of what to put in the new texture 😎

[hexed gyro]

a simple perspective transform

I dont know if its the correct aspect ratio

[viral glade]

oh yes, I have this texture, but it is impossible to understand a single word that is written on it 😂 😂 😂

[hexed gyro]

you've already done a deform on it?

[viral glade]

the real size ;-;

[viral glade]

oh yes, I have the files here hehehehehe 😋

but its tooooooooooooooo low quality

[hexed gyro]

I found the original image (this is a joke)

lmao

[viral glade]

for a minute I actually believed it was the original image

😂

[hexed gyro]

lmao

it looks eerily similar

[viral glade]

the paper wear is very similar

[hexed gyro]

but sadly its just eric clapton

Speed Queen SWN Top Loading Washing Machine

thats the full name of it

so I found one with a door on it

thats the dryer ofc

the other is a washer