Call of Duty 2

[dull oar]

Some idea yea
https://youtu.be/7mohaNhOKVk?si=LjKgYkN32oIj2ZYO

[spiral spruce]

this is geourgeus, awesome!!!

but how u change the color of the sky ?

[dull oar]

We have a script, it's kinda complicated to explain. Spawns a mesh, we mark it as sky

[timid trout]

It is swapping the texture, there is no sky shader where you can tweak colors and such

[tight obsidian]

Would you consider remixing world at war too? Perhaps by the time your done with this, the other dude will be finished and you can do prop replacements and models. Seeing COD2 get love is epic. Seeing world at war get the same treatment would be beautiful. Imo it’s the best story in the entire franchise (bo1 might be better, i just pefer world war 2 tho so I’m biased) Seeing the game with more detailed props and models (with its RTX) Would help make the gap between the past and the present feel a little more smaller. WAW is probably the most authentic take on WW2 at least for rn. So in theory, I would imagine a complete remix of WAW might bring people to play it again (or not even again but for the first time) and that may lead to them to wanting to learn more about World War 2

[tired brook]

@tight obsidian There is already a WAW channel ! 😉 https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1165264083554148482

[tight obsidian]

Yeah Ik.

I saw that whoever is making this is going the extra mile

And is gonna reach out to a museum

So i was thinking to see WAW receive that treatment too would be pretty fucking cool

The lighting in the WIP WAW remix is beautiful

Imagine if the props and weapons were upgraded too

[timid trout]

Bro fell in love with WaW

[slow shore]

there's not even 1 full map done yet for cod2

[tight obsidian]

I know

That’s why I said in the future

Ain’t no way It happening now

To see cod 2 looking like this is epic

[slow shore]

also since it's both world war u could reuse some stuff maybe

since it's already high quality

[tight obsidian]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too

[tight obsidian]

F yeah

As far as story (from the perspective of infantry) goes it’s probably the best in the genre

Cod 2 has really fun gameplay though

[slow shore]

cod2* ftfy

[slow shore]

ye cod2 is objectively the better game 😂

-- im totally not biased aswell

[tight obsidian]

Lmaoo

Yes

Not biased at all

I like COD2

I prefer waw because it’s has 7.5/10 gameplay (better then current titles of cod) and a really good story.

The best comparison I use is that

COD 2 is like Saving Private Ryan while COD WAW is like Stalingrad (1997) and Come and see (Come and see is a whole entire different level, but it works for this comparison I think)

[slow shore]

idk lol

i didnt play the single player fully

[tight obsidian]

Oh well that’s the best I can do

The Russian campaign is more focused on its narrative while the pacific is more focused on gameplay

It has something for everyone but the game really is unique when it comes to its narrative

COD WAW has its movie moments

But it’s largely more depressing and grimy

Not to say that there isn’t any good times to be had

And it’s all doom and gloom

But it’s largely doom

[slow shore]

why does yt keep recommending me a vid about how cod2 has the darkest mission ever then

🤔

[tight obsidian]

Your probably thinking about vendetta

the moment where you have the choice to burn surrendering German soldiers alive or shoot them dead

That or the mission eviction

That mission has a lot of background stuff goin on

[dull oar]

Scanning an antique ww2 compass for the UI this weekend.

[tight obsidian]

Scan my future newborn son

[timid trout]

Even its UI will get a tadpole treatment, so lucky cod2

[dull oar]

I'll bung the files into our rtx mod mate

[gaunt agate]

Hey @timid trout How is your script affecting the rotation of the sun lamp?

Is it game-side, or remix side?

[timid trout]

In CoD 2? It is literally rotating the mesh

in game-side

Also tadpole did this, I did the swapping part

[dull oar]

Then we attach a light with remix and swap the unique material diffuse map for a HDR sky 🙂

Team work made the dream work

[gaunt agate]

right

[timid trout]

You can animate the fallback light remix-side in a very hacky way if you wish

[dull oar]

added a painting to the wall 🙂 not this wall specifically, it's outside to show you guys

[gaunt agate]

I can confirm that's a painting

[dull oar]

took all day 😛

it's got a back with the snapped string in 3d, 3d cobwebs, it's cool

[radiant belfry]

cool indeed 😛

[dull oar]

ok last one

[granite forge]

damn that looks good 🔥

[dull oar]

it's in the asset sharing channel for whoever wants a picture of a couple cool cows

[summer brook]

Pretty nice stuff man. Looking really cool.
I took many painting lessons when younger, would say it could be nice to turn that white edge into a passepartout with a glass frame on top for added details and realism
Just a suggestion

[summer brook]

Yours is also good, just another style painted on top of white tape (later removed) on the edges

[dull oar]

oh it's got glass, the white frame bit has bump as well. just cant see it front on in that photo

[summer brook]

Oooh, good, good, sry then. The first pic appeared to me that the painting was exposed 😅 #1099591203768504421 message

[dull oar]

ooh yea does dont it 😛 good points though

might blow it up tomorrow and smash some glass around

need to do it for the car as well but not sure how, 3ds max doesnt do shatter from what i know @summer brook any idea's for smashing glass with bullet holes?

[summer brook]

tbf this kind of visual effect's tooling is not something I'm familiar with, they're usually expensive af, I'd start with some fracture simulations in blender but if that doesn't works then prolly would painfully model some shatter shapes and boolean it out of a thick glass mesh
Though there is probably some better ways to achieve that without having to resort on those specialized tools

the translucent shader does looks nice if you model the fractures as they're IRL. Though you'll probably need to parametrize and play with the thickness a bit to get decent looks

[dull oar]

If I can break the planes of glass properly in blender I could tile a wiggly warped cell normal map along the extruded thickness edges to make them look more convincing.

[summer brook]

Hmm I see, to break the straight shatter lines a bit, right? Pretty good idea! There are many layers to it too. Bullets will produce a single point of impact at the center, and there is a very chaotic thing hapenning close to it, I'd assume it is due to the glass being pushed outwards violently so you can see some "arched brush strokes-like" shapes in each sector defined by the straight longitudinal shatter lines

Think it calls for a substance painter work

[dull oar]

It's volumetric though ain't it, it's happening within the glass. Very tough

This looks cool, single glazed like ww2. Cracks that don't terminate at the ends will be very difficult in 3d

[summer brook]

Sure is. Back to the layers of complexity then, you might want to make it volumetric for the large longitudinal and latitudinal lines (actually shattering a thick mesh plane with a boolean op I guess), and use a handpainted texture for those microdetails, all well supported by the translucent shader

[dull oar]

Experiment time, cheers eman

[sullen iris]

Blender has a internal addon called Cell Fracture (default is disabled), which allows you to create custom glass breaking effects. You can also use the annotation pencil to draw the pattern of the broken glass.

[summer brook]

Ahhh yeah. I forgot about that one. Used to make concrete fracture simulations with the particle system That could work

[spiral spruce]

so currently frame generation do his job in cod 2 (rtx 3080 10gb)

[dusk comet]

Wait what

How

[tired brook]

no pb for me too in fullscreen using my native res

[spiral spruce]

@dusk comet 1) Go to this page https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-dlss-3-frame-generation-dll

2. Scroll down and download the version 1.0.1

3. Put the file inside .trex folder in this case inside root COD2 main

4. Done! go to the game and press alt x. Now you can activate FG

i noticed something, the 1.0.1 DLSSG.dll version, works fine wine with the actual version of Remix (0.4.0). So feel free to use it however you want without a 4000 series

The latency is extremely horrible, expect bad performance with low frames, you will need at least 60-80 fps to compensate bad latency, imput-lag and screen ghosting

[limber otter]

it doesnt work guys

it just duplicates existing frames

[tired brook]

I also can’t see how this could work since FG use hardware that just isn’t there on cards other than 4000 series

Even amd FG with FSR is limited to certain cards if I remember correctly

[gaunt agate]

It was debunked months ago

It just doesn't work

[dull oar]

I've shared the pallet model in asset share 🙂
https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1205650229286805526

[sweet cloak]

Knotty

[sweet cloak]

Found the insulator in the wild @dull oar

[dull oar]

Lol oh wow looks at him

[jolly sandal]

Huh, can't seem to get *any * of the cod games running, but I was able to get the demos working. Anyone seen this error?

[gaunt agate]

That's strange

[jolly sandal]

Is cod2 directx8? pcgaming wiki's saying it's 9 but that can't be right, right?

[timid trout]

No, it is dx9. You need to change the renderer to dx7 (which still renders in dx9, just disables the shader features)

[jolly sandal]

Ohhhh, so use a dx7 wrapper? Would that also work for world at war and modern warfare?

[gaunt agate]

No

And no

[tired brook]

The shader feature was used for something in cod2 ? Or just there because it was using dx9 ?

[dull oar]

#1099591203768504421 message
I made a guide a while ago, it's in the pins

[timid trout]

https://youtu.be/mylR5Kysuic

[jolly sandal]

Thanks! Hmm, followed the install instructions and I get past the gpu error - but for some reason the config resolution doesn't save, and then 1920x1080 doesn't appear as an option in game.

Idk why the gpu error pops up, I have an rtx gpu and this only happens with cod games

I'll make a github issue on it

[dull oar]

Sounds like an issue with cod2 not remix

[granite forge]

did you try to disable your onboard gpu (bios) if you have one? Can you also post your cod2_d3d9 log (or whatever the exe is called)

[jolly sandal]

oh you know what....i'm just now learning what onboard gpu I didn't know that was a thing no wayyyy 💀

I have 2 monitors on HDMI (1 on gpu, 1 on motherboard). I'm getting display ports in the mail tomorrow to hookup to my GPU to replace it, I'll see if that fixes it. I wonder if that's interfering with it or something

[granite forge]

Yup the game checks all adapters and monitors on startup. Your onboard gpu appears in the log and that doesn’t support remix features .. hence the error messages

So that should be fixed when both your monitors are displayed by your dedicated gpu

[gaunt agate]

Yeah you shouldn't be using the mobo and gpu display outs at the same time

[jolly sandal]

I figured that'd come to bite me in the butt. I ordered some monitors for my new setup and it only came with HDMI wires and no display port ones. I'll see if it resolves tomorrow when they come in

[gaunt agate]

It's best to just disable the integrated gpu via the bios settings and only use the gpu display outputs

[jolly sandal]

Yeah I will, leaving it on will probably just make me run into this issue in the future on a different game 👍

[jolly sandal]

Yep, and just like that, the problems fixed. The hdmi cord on the motherboard was the problem. Got the displayports on the gpu now and vuala. Nice to know for the future tho if someone's running into this problem.

[static tangle]

🤦‍♀️ I kinda wish they'd stop putting video out ports on high end motherboards intended to be used with discrete graphics. They do come in handy sometimes for debugging hardware issues, but there are so many people that buy an expensive GPU and then just plug into their motherboard and can't understand why their perf is terrible.

[dull oar]

mark can reconstruct my ray's anytime

I'm real sick with flu but managed to get the files from portal working

am going to lie down now

[gaunt agate]

SICK!

[jolly sandal]

OH MY GOD

[stoic jetty]

lamp is impressive as hell

[dull oar]

Moths on discord

[jolly sandal]

Anyone know how to turn off the stats?

[granite forge]

It’s a setting in the dxvk.conf

[jolly sandal]

Thank you! 🙂

[dull oar]

we're making a helmet this weekend 🙂

[gaunt agate]

Cool

A bit rusty

Grab a wd40

[dull oar]

that'll buff out

i'll paint the digital model so its new looking 🙂

[dull oar]

All done, just gotta new it up and add a helmet liner. Step one is digital preservation though 🙂

[jolly sandal]

NICE!!!

[dull oar]

I'm thinking of getting this and scanning with it. https://amzn.eu/d/21JE1wr
Plus these insanely cheap ww2 uniforms on eBay that I can just sell after my scan
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315168599377?

[gaunt agate]

The little thumbnail looks like a fish lol

[scarlet monolith]

There's a weird blur to the ground textures. Necessity?

[dull oar]

I've capped the upper limit of textures to save on vram while I'm making stuff. It'll be crisp without it 🙂

[scarlet monolith]

yey

[dull oar]

there we go good as new

[warm lagoon]

sleepy boy

he's tired

[dull oar]

dead tired

gotta model the chin strap and lining before i share it though as its just the outter shell

[stoic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/commando-gif-9042689

[dull oar]

I might have brought a genuine m43 jacket from the battle of the bulge today for our character scanning needs 🫣I'll pass it along to a museum after I'm done 🙂

[gaunt agate]

"Might have" "Genuine"

How much tho?

[dull oar]

Enough to know it's real. You'd be surprised how cheap this piece of our collective history is honestly

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326061047707?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=sfyot5kWQI-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=7DOYNQHNSWC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166426370090?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=YqQYgjFYSeS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=7DOYNQHNSWC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[gaunt agate]

Interesting

[warm lagoon]

Wow how is this all so well preserved

[dull oar]

Honestly I don't know. The price and amount for sale suggest neglect but they are all still in one piece. The dress uniforms are in amazing condition and even cheaper

We going to capture every angle of it and preserve it for all time though.

[warm lagoon]

damn good luck tadpole

what about the German ww2 uniform though, are you going to find and scan it as well

[dull oar]

Yea I don't know...

Let's stick with paratroopers for now and see how we get on lol

[dull oar]

does anyone know of away to force character LOD's? or make them change from LOD0 to LOD 1,2 or 3 sooner so i might be able to see them?

[granite forge]

Increase dvar r_lodscaleskinned

[dull oar]

cheers mate 🙂 Had to find a cod2 alternative though. Looks like in earlier cod's it's all controlled under lod bias and i had force lod on for remix replacements so flipping that switch got my lod's back. characters still unstable under lower lod's 😦

there is a small patch under the head around the collar that's stable so need to investigate that. My guess it's parented to the rig like the helmet is and therefor stable

[dull oar]

that's a genuine ww2 m1942 woollen shirt alright. Proper posable mannequin in the mail to display it in a proper t-pose

I have every item an airborne soldier would have worn going into Bastogne coming in the mail as well including boots, jacket and belt. All real

[sweet cloak]

Going to open up your own museum with all this stuff

[dull oar]

Lol gonna challenge that local ww2 museum with my own one

Need to sort out my unstable character hashes if we wanna use this on a character mind you

[glass marlin]

you're going through way too much effort for this mod omg

how deep is your wallet?

this is insane

[dull oar]

about £300 all in and it's going back on ebay after 🙂 I'll be fine

[glass marlin]

do you know if you'll release these assets publicly for use?

[dull oar]

most everything i've made is already in the asset share 🙂 sure

[glass marlin]

why not a museum? or to keep it infact, wouldn't u wanna show off to ur family members you literally have WWII memorabilia

[dull oar]

we'll i need money for the next one, and the next one....

[glass marlin]

ah ok

[dull oar]

this is just the point cloud on a test scan but just look at this quality. you can see the stitching!

even the little repair in the middle of the second screenshot. thats why I love this stuff, its capturing the history of the piece and telling a real story

[dull oar]

lovely stuff 🙂

i think that red spot is exactly what you think it is 😟

[gaunt agate]

You could do a game mod for skinned mesh replacements

That would be a better idea

[dull oar]

Yep, it's the only way forward I can see. Think we have a vertex limit like this though so it's gonna be a challenge

[gaunt agate]

Souldn't be too low

Especially if you're careful with your shapes

https://fxtwitter.com/justin_frazee/status/1779610715650703540?s=46&t=7vW0QcPq7sYLYi27QjT1sQ

[warm lagoon]

Doesn't look that bad

[dull oar]

Yea that's sick

Looking back through my chats I found the vertex limit is 4096

Hopefully that means I can split the skinned meshes into multiple pieces and do 4096 per limb or something

[scarlet monolith]

tomato sauce

[glass marlin]

How are u doing the textures?

[gaunt agate]

Very carefully

[dull oar]

part of the scan, additional maps like roughness can be worked out in substance painter afterwards 🙂

and this dummy just got his dummy. importing a test scan now

[dull oar]

pretty good for a first attempt.

[summer brook]

Wow, this is looking so natural, lovely stuff, as always man

can't wait to see it rigged ingame

[radiant belfry]

@dull oar i just wanted to let you know that i'm about to adapt your instructions from the pinned document to moddb

is there anything that needs to be changed?

https://www.moddb.com/games/call-of-duty-2
you can see it here

i also wanted to mirror the iwd file that enables console commands if that's okay with you

[dull oar]

There's an iwd?

[radiant belfry]

https://github.com/adamplayer/CallOfDuty2RTX/tree/main/main

this one

[dull oar]

Oh that's a hack to apply 4 console commands as you enter a map. none of this will work online though. Cheat protection nukes all 4 commands

Not sure if you can use cheat engine to make them apply forever @timid trout ?

[radiant belfry]

i just wanted to mirror it so people can download it from moddb as well

i don't see any issues with that method. will anyone really be playing this online?

[dull oar]

Well single player is unstable. Meshes just disappear

Adam couldn't work out anti culling in single player

Id leave it for now mate, got some kinks to iron out

[timid trout]

Uh I didn't check what happens in online.
I was wondering, why we use an iwd file to apply console commands?

[dull oar]

Cause I don't know any other way to do it. Can't go into nornal config it's cheat protected

[dull oar]

@timid trout is there a way to apply them without using iwd files?

[dull oar]

this isnt even full quality, it's just under half with my PC running out of memory when I tried ultra high quality

This guy has a wizened right leg I need to pad out with bubble wrap still and I'm still waiting in his jacket. Its in the UK now though so not too long

[warm lagoon]

This man amazes me at every single thing

good job tadpole

[dull oar]

thanks mate 🙂

[summer brook]

Man, that level of detail is very eye catching. Really great job!

Feels very very grounded and accurate

[scarlet monolith]

how the hell is this going to work on whatever branch of the quake engine this is

[warm lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[dull oar]

It's the high poly model you reduce down to normal polygon counts. Could be as low as the original assets

[gaunt agate]

Retopology

[dull oar]

then it's just a case of learning blender to rig this and mod it into the game

[stoic jetty]

Easily, All new models are just pretty much visual layers done by Remix and not by game engine, game still thinks it goes with its original assets

That way visuals can be easily switched to original real fast, as its just a layer techinacally

[scarlet monolith]

Oh sweet. 4090 minimum requirements 😂

[limber otter]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-far-cry3-vaas-annoying-one-time-is-funny-two-times-is-annoying-gif-19973056

[stoic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-oconnor-fast-and-furious-dominic-toretto-brian-o-connor-gif-22032637

[scarlet monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-17107198320750065280

[dull oar]

Looking good over here!

Still tests. Using my old belt not a proper one

[sweet cloak]

[dull oar]

The colour shifts brighter where the camera gets closer due to the massive flash so need to balance my exposure somehow. Center weighted auto brightness or something? I don't know

[sweet cloak]

Need to set exposure/focus/shutter speed to be completely fixed.

[dull oar]

Oh it is but the flash will make things brighter when you get closer

Cause it's fixed exposure

[summer brook]

Can't you rely on a flash lamp detached from the camera by any chance?

[dull oar]

You want it attached to the camera so you get no shadows. It's around the lens

Big ring

[summer brook]

gotcha

[dull oar]

If I know the average luminance value for everything I should be able to bring it in line. Unless I'm scanning something high contrast like a zebra

[gaunt agate]

I don't think I've ever seen a professional workflow using a moving light

That'll have problems like the one you're facing

[dull oar]

We're talking ten minutes post process brightness tuning

[gaunt agate]

And auto exposure is not desirable since the center might keep the exposure, but the background will change in brightness. Potentially confusing the software

[dull oar]

I've only seen pro set ups light like this. You can polarize satellite lights

[summer brook]

actually, isn't the software supposed to auto adjusts levels of pics to make the lighting levels even?

since it compiles the same pixel in space based on multiple pictures of different locations/angles

[dull oar]

Maybe, would hope so wouldn't ya

I'm shooting raw so can tweak in post

[dull oar]

fixed the colour 🙂 looks sick in marmoset

just need to line up the stance and fit the fit in mudbox and we're golden 🙂

[jolly sandal]

SO COOL!!

[gaunt agate]

Wireframe?

[dull oar]

still just the decimated character so 2 million down from 20 million

uncle burrito today at 19:39
Whats it look like in remix tadpole you naughty frog thing?

excellent question burrito, one sec

[gaunt agate]

Uhh

Okayyyy

Tadpole is an ai confirmed

[dull oar]

wowza

[gaunt agate]

Good job

[stoic jetty]

looks like some professional shit

don't you think?

(and yes, i'm still exist)

[dull oar]

i think so 🙂 looking great mate

[stoic jetty]

mhm

[gaunt agate]

Neat

[slow shore]

📸

nice

now do germans and russians too

😂

[dull oar]

I have a local ww2 museum by me I might be able to tap up to help with the German stuff. I'll get to it for sure

[broken loom]

Hello can you explain more how you did you do that ? I mean did you make it from scratch or just changing the texture model ?

[gaunt agate]

[sage locust]

This is ridiculously good!

[dull oar]

It's a completely unique model made using photogrammetry where you take lots of photos around an object and turn it into a 3d digital model like you see above 🙂

[sage locust]

Will you prepare an actual model with this uniform to see it in motion?

[dull oar]

I'll make it low polygon, bake the details down and turn it in a character in cod2 yes

[broken loom]

How many picture will be personally I had problem with it in asset manager

[dull oar]

Jacket came today

[unkempt jacinth]

A long time ago, I was modding Call of Duty 2 with a friend. We had some of our own tools, such as model exporters from 3ds Max, exporters from 3ds Max to Radiant, etc.

I would like to know what modding cod2 looks like using RTX remix. Is it possible to import models directly using the nvidia tool? Does this still need to be done as xmodels? What about replacing textures with PBR?

[dull oar]

You don't use xmodels unless your modding in something exclusively for remix to pick up like this character I'm making, you can use Fbx files and remix can "ingest" them and convert to USD format. Nvidia put out a series of tutorial for remix a little while ago

[dull oar]

3ds max you say. Don't suppose you know if they handled skinned characters do you? Blenders slowing me down

[unkempt jacinth]

When we were creating, there weren't even blender tools. Only Maya 6.0. The friend who worked with me was a programming master. He wrote the xmodel and xanim exporter for me.

[gaunt agate]

Damn

That's pretty cool

[broken loom]

One thing do you think it's good idea to put the og models in substance painter and give it new texture ? Even for guns or every model

[dull oar]

Tried it, uvs are all overlapping in nonsense ways, they were made in 2d space in Photoshop. Ruins your bakes

[broken loom]

So it's not really worth it I think you mean models like doors or ... which are just a picture or 2d am I right ?

[dull oar]

Yea it's very flat, not something I'm looking to try to work around when you can mesh replace

[dull oar]

first scan of the m42 jacket from battle of the bulge. looks amazing

[unkempt jacinth]

Can you share your config? Your screenshots look perfect and clean.

[dull oar]

denoise settings all reset, its default

[dull oar]

more progress on my airborne character. We got two variations now and canteen 🙂 photoscaned from the genuine article

[stoic jetty]

keep making it look like some professional project

overlay

[dull oar]

yea nice, looking good. it's how I present art at work so it wil do 😛

[gaunt agate]

I can't ever bring myself to post something I make in just a matcap

It HAS to have good lighting

[dull oar]

Just slap it in marmoset toolbag, simple three point light rig and your done.

[gaunt agate]

Nah

[cerulean mica]

Just take a look at how much the in-game model differs
from the first variant 🥺
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/BYxXz
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zPdNq

[dull oar]

hey thats cool, especially for 2004

I MIGHT have just brought captain prices uniform and webbing

orginal socks 😛

nearly done my us m43 jacket, got trousers and shirt to scan still so it's all very exciting

[junior jacinth]

Does anyone have an idea as to why this happens randomly in some levels? Certain things start go transparent..

[junior jacinth]

Nevermind I figured it out.. in Dev tools I just enabled Disable Draw Calls Post RTX Injection. I wonder what draw calls it's culling but it seems work regardless! This didn't work for me with 0.5.0, only with the latest dxvk/bridge that were compiled earlier today from Action.

[dull oar]

you can find instructions on how to set up cod 2 in the pins

[dull oar]

low poly conteen is now finished, it's got all it's maps as well now 🙂

[gaunt agate]

Now I'm not an expert. However, a canteen that was manufactered a week ago wouldn't be corroded this badly

[dull oar]

In a war? Outside every day for years? Maybe, maybe not

[gaunt agate]

Nah. That's years of oxidation

[dull oar]

Deaging is a piece of cake but I wanna keep it authentic for now

[gaunt agate]

Authentic would be time accurate, no?

[dull oar]

Authentic to the artifact not to a video game lol

[gaunt agate]

I guess

Either way

Looks great

[dull oar]

Ta buddy

[glass marlin]

@dull oar how many assets do u have to make before finishing the asset work?

[dull oar]

what do you mean? like when will I be done remaking stuff?

[glass marlin]

like how many assets to u have left to remaster?

[dull oar]

no idea, loads and loads. doubt I'll ever get to the end of it. just making art really

[dull oar]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-kronk-oh-yeah-oh-yeah-all-coming-together-its-all-coming-together-gif-24123604

the belt attachments in cod2 are stable, I have a game ready asset

oh and captain prices webbing arrived today, came with a trench digging tool 😛

right tweaking is done, materials look good 🙂 i'm going to bed

[glass marlin]

i really hope this mod gets popular

i really do

cause this is so so so so much professional effort for a free mod

like that asset looks amazing

i really hope when ur done with this

this mod will be like one of the top examples of rtx remix

thats if nvidia would still support rtx remix or abandon it lol

[sage locust]

Once he finishes Carentan showcase we will prepare a CODWWII comparison video and people will be blown away what can be achieved in almost 20yo game 😄

[dull oar]

Yay, sounds cool as, cheers guys

[spice garnet]

is there any other progress besides a handful of clothing assets and items? Like map assets, lighting work

[dull oar]

Nah I'm posting everything I do

[spice garnet]

It wasn't a criticism per se, just asking. If the goal is to remaster the game it seems to make more sense to do a first pass on the lighting and maps, after that move onto characters and other small details

[dull oar]

Honestly my goal isnt to remaster cod2 but make some cool stuff with rtx remix within cod2

[spice garnet]

ok 👍

[stoic jetty]

@dull oar just for a fact: today is my birthday

[dusk comet]

Happy birthday!

[radiant belfry]

amazing work on all of this

[dusk comet]

Yeah this is pretty crazy good

[dull oar]

Happy birthday

[dusk comet]

love ur work

[dull oar]

Cheers buddy

[sage locust]

If you would, there are important people in esports industry that want to bring cod2 to the spotlight for its 20th anniversary 🙂

[dull oar]

What's the deadline then?

[mystic fossil]

@stoic jettyhappy birthday

[tired brook]

should be around late 2025 i think since it came out in 2005 if i'm correct

[dull oar]

Captain prices leg. Gotta build his left one. Mostly bubble wrap

No idea where the rest of him is 😅

[dull oar]

bottled water 1944 style. EDIT: 1945, it's got a stamp and everything

damn pom's looking tasty on latest

[sage locust]

https://tenor.com/view/we-need-it-now-randy-marsh-south-park-informative-murder-porn-season17ep02-gif-19529653

*more screenshots

[dull oar]

i call this one, i'm really thirsty but my arms arent rigged

[sweet cloak]

Thirst but T-Posed, 2024. Pixels on Digital Screen.

[dull oar]

there we go, just doing the lil cup now

[gaunt agate]

You can tell how sad he is without even looking at his face

[dull oar]

there we go, best friends

[gaunt agate]

Me in the summer vs the winter

[dull oar]

lol

did the nose thing

[gaunt agate]

I know. I'm fun at parties

[dull oar]

big slurp version

https://tenor.com/view/big-head-silicon-valley-nod-nodding-gif-5747889

[sage locust]

I know you made it 1:1 scaled with original but with player model for comparison canteen looks super big 😄

[dull oar]

Oh no I think its me. Haven't measured it yet 😋

[dull oar]

three friends 🙂

my decals broke though, they have a ring effect all over them 😦

[gaunt agate]

rain

[grim lagoon]

Photogrammetry is such an incredible tool. Looks awesome. I think a bit of eye adaptation tuning would help with the far left one looking a bit overexposed on the side facing the sunlight

Though I imagine that's very low prio for you for now lol

[dull oar]

yea good shout. should have some bloom at least

[dull oar]

lighting man

[summer brook]

Looking incredible man. How are the stats for those props? Poly count, textures res, etc.

[dull oar]

6k polys for the canteen, cup is 5k. 8196 texture source down to 4048 in that screenshot 🙂

you can subdivide these meshes and conform to mesh for even more detail as well

[light carbon]

did you scan them yourselves?

[dull oar]

Yep, brought the real things off eBay and working through them. That's my set up minus the camera and light as it's charging

[light carbon]

You could make some cash selling those scans, maybe that would cheapen the look of the project but I know Polyhaven might pay you if you it's up to their standards.

[dull oar]

Yea good idea. thing is with remix when you release a mod the files are right there for the taking. Can't really sell them and release the mod

It's just USD files in remix openable and editable to anyone

[light carbon]

well you are the rights owner, so you own the assets, yeah anybody can steal them but legality is different like you can datamine games and steal their assets, doesn't mean it's legal.

[dull oar]

I just don't feel I can sell them if I'm making them so readily available to steal. It's gift wrapped in a USD file, even the material is set up 😋

[timid trout]

You can't stop modders ||unless you're nintendo|| that doesn't mean you cant license it for professional use tho.

[dull oar]

Yea that's a good point

[light carbon]

I mean that's what I was trying to say lmao

[dull oar]

bullet time! cost me £2 🙂

[stoic jetty]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/246921999522201611/1184921619878137916/GIF-231214_211400.gif?ex=6596f5c0&is=658480c0&hm=088f79ac0c61ac1124577f161ac1ad764ecf2a8ec8a1bae216fea15986999428&

nice

[timid trout]

I saw the world model gun pop up for a moment, you may wanna increase the detection range a little bit

[dull oar]

slow motion helps 🙂

[gaunt agate]

They do look rather large

[dull oar]

they're in the real world and the gun is a player model. not sure what to do about that...

scan came out alright considering it's VERY shiny.

[gaunt agate]

I feel like it could've been just modelled from scratch

[dull oar]

shame on you

nah 100% but i've done that hundreds of times, well boring.

[gaunt agate]

I find modelling from hand more fun

(I may or may not hate retopo)

[dull oar]

yea, depends if i'm in the mood. I do a lot of that at work so it's nice to do something else on the weekends

[gaunt agate]

Fair enough.

Are you in game dev?

[dull oar]

yea, artist. have been 14 years now

[gaunt agate]

[gaunt agate]

You are my mentor now

[dull oar]

Give up and start a goose farm

Tommy helmet with liner, happy days

[sweet cloak]

Coat it in flour or talcum asbestos powder to remove shiny

I don’t know how to get color back with that method but that’s how I was told to get shiny gone

[dull oar]

Yea good idea. Wanna see if there's a way to capture the specular component. It's there in front of me and now I have the diffuse if I capture the bullet with reflections and use something like a divide to leave just the specular behind

But if I could just scan with reflections in the first place I would have 😋

What if for every photo you take you take one without the polorisation filter attached? Then swap the photos after the scan is calculated

[gaunt agate]

And then you get early 2000s textures with baked in lighting

Re-remaking old textures

[sweet cloak]

I forgot you're using photogrammetry vs lidar. I think you can get away with adding a ton of marker dots or qr codes for photogrammetry

[dull oar]

I'm gonna have to try this I'm sure it'll work. ill need to detach the light from the camera so I dont move it and set up the remote shutter. if I blend the textures together with average blend mode I should get a smooth shine over the whole thing. Divide diffuse polorized scan and presto, one specular map. Then process to roughness and metalness

It's maffs

[gaunt agate]

[tired brook]

@dull oar Is it normal with the one you got that the primer is the same color as the brass ?

[dull oar]

I'm not sure I have accurate diffuse colours. The top bit is slightly pinker than the shell bit which is brass

That divide that should equal spec

I got the light on its own tripod so I don't move the camera even a bit when removing the filter. It's stuck on my powerful magnets and requires a little tug which would fuck up the shot

Hmm, the diffuse only shot still has some specular light dont it...just looks kinda darker

[sweet cloak]

Got a color checker card?

[gaunt agate]

The top bit is not the primer

Nor is the bottom shell

[mystic fossil]

what camera model do you use?

[tired brook]

Exactly, the primer is on the under of the cartridge

Generally bright like inox or at least not the same color as the rest of the cartridge, sometime it can be the case thoug, that's why i was asking 😄

[dull oar]

extracted spec and albedo

[dull oar]

nikon d8010 or something like that

not great but it is working

[mystic fossil]

i actually have d5100 and still rocks

[dull oar]

yay it works!

[dull oar]

rough ass texture cause this is hard man and my back hurts for lugging around lights all day. see those extra specular elements? pretty cool

[dull oar]

just need the clip (is that what its called? magazine maybe?) and I'm sorted for the m1

[sweet cloak]

This style of clip has a fun name; En Bloc clip

[dull oar]

He's pulling my leg

[tired brook]

Looks really good, would be even more realistic though to get a non fired primer on the cartridges with which you feed the gun and only get a fired primer when you're ejecting the brass.

[dull oar]

Sure, whats a non fired one look like?

[tired brook]

Ideally when feeding the gun; the primer shouldn't be already used, i know it's the case since your scan is based on an already fired cartridge, don't know if it would be possible to modify it ?

[dull oar]

Oh yea well easy

[tired brook]

when unfired, the primer is flat because the firing pin didn't hit it yet 🙂

Here is maybe a better image

But your work is still really, really good ! Looks really nice 😉

[dull oar]

Oh I see, cheers I had no idea. I'll make a duplicate butt and make it flat to be used on the unfired bullets and the dented one for the fired bullet. Let's see that sort of attention to detail in anyone else mod 😋

[gaunt agate]

Don't forget the different color

[stoic jetty]

Less gold?

[gaunt agate]

Yes

For the primer

[tired brook]

It depends of the cartridge. Look on the one you have

Some, and most of ww2 have the same color on the primer as the brass

Like the first one I have sent

Maybe a bit brighter and glowy but that’s all

[dull oar]

Brass bum

[gaunt agate]

Is that green corrosion?

[tired brook]

Seems like the protection paint that they put on some primers

Generally

[tired brook]

Sometimes green or red it’s a protective layer which is there to seal the primer, mainly used on defensive ammunitions to protect them from moist, water and to make them more waterproof

[dull oar]

wrapped up the canteen. bottle, cup, case and all together 🙂 I've got a medical pouch to do still but my tommy helmet is too tempting. gonna slap it on captin price

[dull oar]

woo, that came out great. top side, low poly and bake materials 🙂

[dull oar]

animated muzzle flash!

oh correction, animated HDR muzzle flash

[gaunt agate]

Animated blob of yellow

[dull oar]

this is very cool

[tired brook]

Maybe a bit too yellow ? Looks very glowy looks amazing though

[gaunt agate]

Are the gun hashes stable?

[dull oar]

nah not really, in places

less yellow

[gaunt agate]

They don't look like deformed meshes tho

[dull oar]

rigged and animated though aint they

[gaunt agate]

Most games do that but the hashes are still stable. Hashes in rigged meshes are only ever an issue when the meshes are deformed. Simple rotation and translation is usually stable even if rigged.

[dull oar]

oh wow got loads of muzzle flash types to do, the sten one is crazy, it's firing out the side of the barrel

[limber otter]

@dull oar small request

can you turn off the ugly rtx remix bloom?

[dull oar]

Nope

[limber otter]

i wanna see it without a huge blob of blur appear as soon as a bright object come into scene

[dull oar]

It's how you imply brightness on non HDR displays

[limber otter]

i know its just

ugh

i hate remix bloom

[dull oar]

Yea you've mentioned it before. I'll record a video without it but it's not great

[dull oar]

@limber otter here you are, barely any difference honestly

[limber otter]

it looks okay on the enviorment

but stuff like muzzleflashes and explosions

it looks horrendous

[dull oar]

yea it's quite strong on them aint it. best we got mate, think we just make do

[steady walrus]

Doesn't look that bad, in at least that video, not sure about the muzzle flash, but it does seem to bloom just a bit too much. If it has an intensity slider that can be turned down a bit it would probably be fine.

At the moment, from how it looks watching it on my phone, it kinda has a ReShade bloom shader look to it.

[dull oar]

on the muzzle flash?

i can barely see it on that environment video

just a nice glow around the edges of windows when looking out

i probably need to turn down the brightness of the muzzle flash if anything. it's brighter than the sun

[sage locust]

Hmm, why weapon blends into the wall at 0:08 like there was no clip?

[dull oar]

I have a value to fix that, was faffing with it over the weekend. Must have saved it by mistake

[dull oar]

box

[slow shore]

ooo its a mystery box

hope i get raygun

[dull oar]

you get a couple dead spiders and some old riding gear. 🐴

still working on my brodie helmet, should be done this week though

[slow shore]

nice retopo

[dull oar]

decals work now guys

wallpaper looks like some spilt coke down it but all over equally 😛 super stupid work in progress but i got decals to show off

[gaunt agate]

Make it cream stains

[summer brook]

Very nice.
Since decals were figured there is something I always wanted to try: Use a decal layer as dirt/grunge mask on top of translucent objects like the painting's glass cover since translucent shader doesn't support it 👀
Gonna do that once I get time with remix again

[dull oar]

oh good idea, i'll make a glass plane and check it out. til then fixed the wallpaper

[sweet cloak]

That do be looking like wallpaper

No wall baseboards?

You could take up wood working to photoscan one

[dull oar]

Still learning boot repair

[summer brook]

Lol for a couple seconds I was like "Poor tadpole, what happened to his PC" until I figured what boot 🥾 you were talking about 🙃

[timid trout]

Probably a Windows update wiped the grub partition he was using to dualboot

[timid trout]

Attach a light to it!!

[dull oar]

I wish, all the particles get grouped together so who knows where the light is. Maybe in the middle of the lot or something? I think they aren't stable because of this just like they were before Adams patch to fix props and BSP meshes.

You can't see particles in hash stability debug mode

You can attach a white light to the particles in rtx menu and it does look super awesome casting shadows from what your shooting up against the wall lighting up the whole room...but it's white with no colour options

Maybe open source remix can get some colour controls or something

[timid trout]

Add rtx.effectLightPlasmaBall = True to your rtx.conf and the effect light color will lerp between white and orange, which looks a bit more natural.

[timid trout]

We had a build for Auto where the effect lights will inherit opacity color. Useful, since it doesn't have an effect on the material color if you're using a texture

[dull oar]

hmmm it's traveling to the end destination. do i have a very low fps bullet?

the muzzle flash is also the impact sparks probably cant attach a light

we could probably script a mesh to appear at the end of the rifle after you fire and attach a light to that mesh

[timid trout]

I think changing either of the textures would be easier.

[dull oar]

It's a particle effect though ain't it. If I can tweak what comes out to be unique to the sparks that could work

[dull oar]

bang bang bang bang ect...

[gaunt agate]

Can confirm

[dull oar]

it's the hole from the bolt of my garage door 😛

tomorrow i'm scanning the hole in some wood left behind from an old bolt taken from a gate. adapt, overcome, survive

[gaunt agate]

A carefully drilled hole looks different than smashing a piece of led in things at very high speeds

[dull oar]

yea, what can you do

oh ok

[steady walrus]

Could always get a gun and shoot your garage, lol

[dull oar]

now we're thinking

[stoic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-stock-machine-gun-girl-gif-14124748

i watched that movie from gif just yesterday

[dull oar]

hat time!

[summer brook]

the bigger the easier for headshots, I guess 😅

[dull oar]

snipers dream

[sage locust]

Hardcoded hitboxes tho

[dull oar]

more bang bang bang stuff

Displace in is too strong and I used AO to make it look scorched but it's a bit shit. Needs some tweaks me thinks but good start

[summer brook]

I'd say they look a bit like floating sprites on top of the surface. Might need that secret sauce to make them "blend" with the surface beneath, like a normal map outline/edge to make it poke deeper near the edges, along with some edge highlights

by "highlights" I mean, they look sharp, almost like a 90 degrees turn from outer shell to immediate hole surface

[dull oar]

Ah yea good shout. Should be able to get that effect by just playing with the alpha

[dull oar]

@summer brook little normal edge on the one on the left, right is still old. think it's looking pretty cool with a little wood shell for some implyed varnish or paint or something

[summer brook]

hmmm yeah, starting to look grounded . Maybe a longer falloff, to really sell the idea? specially since it is tiny

[dull oar]

it looks better in motion, I'm expanding the decals edge to reveal the real wood shell, can double it for a test, one sec

[summer brook]

very nice! The lowres door texture now isn't helping selling the decals 😅

[dull oar]

hole

would

[summer brook]

thats pretty good. All the cracks, chips and bulges

[dull oar]

where a bolt was in a park bench 😛

the other one is cool too

yea thats better aint it

you can see the old one looks more like a sticker

[summer brook]

hell yeah. Looking awesome mate

[dull oar]

i'll dump these in the asset share for anyone else who needs decals when i'm done 🙂

[radiant belfry]

that's great. thank ya

[dull oar]

these decals, think its crushed concrete, maybe shallow penetration (burrito's the expect here lol)? the smaller guns make them

[gaunt agate]

uh

Yeah that is concrete holes

I don't think these are the right scale

[dull oar]

maybe they're shooting canons?

[gaunt agate]

surely

[summer brook]

Look a bit like fragmented bullets, like shotguns shots on raw concrete, or a large shot that dropped a bit of the surrounding plaster layer

[dull oar]

hmm gonna be a tough find I think. gonna do the dirt one next

right now i'm scanning my british soldiers shoe, captain prices shoe

[summer brook]

Grab a pickaxe and head to an abandoned building/rubble pile nearby and smash them walls.
Might get a full 64 raw concrete block stack home if your pickaxe is enchanted

[dull oar]

i do have an abandoned garden centre next to where i live come to think of it. the buildings still somewhat standing. i'll try there tomorrow morning i think

[summer brook]

Don't forget the high vis suit+hard hat to avoid getting shot yourself. Not a pleasant decal to have 😅

[dull oar]

all i got are war time helmets, it'll have to do

[dull oar]

custom multiplayer characters modded into cod2 anyone?

he's pitch black and has salad long fingers. a work of art

once I've worked out skinning in blender we're in business

[dull oar]

good news! he's not a shadow man. bad news! his backs messed up and i'm not sure why

[dull oar]

real antique ammo boot with matching era real socks and gators 🙂

need to colour correct the gradient in the sock, thats not meant ot be there but should be easy to do in post 🙂

deeeetail!

[dull oar]

character works fine, it's just a little silliness with my blender knowledge being next to zero. verts were missing weights.

we're back in business!

also if your character exceeds 5400 tris the exporter swears at you and to fix it you assign some faces to another material. so i'll just do that 🙂 easy

foot

[gaunt agate]

Indeed

Nononono

Soap

Nooooooo

[dull oar]

when its bath night but you dont wanna bath

[gaunt agate]

[dull oar]

when your my dog and you just rolled in something brown

[gaunt agate]

When Ur my cat and I give you a bath because u stink

[dull oar]

fixed 🙂 custom characters are a go baby!

even got to use new blender to make it so thats cool 🙂

thats a stock character exported from blender so the whole workflow works

[scarlet monolith]

Elden Ring rolling when

[steady walrus]

Awesome. Looking forward to some potato mashin'.

[dull oar]

bulit

[dull oar]

custom characters!!!

[gaunt agate]

I think one of your vertices is being stubborn

[dull oar]

yea its a rush job, proof of concept 🙂

[gaunt agate]

Looks good

[dull oar]

cheers mate, i'm gonna touch some grass with my dog and chill the heck out

[dull oar]

there we go 🙂 that'll do me for today
https://youtu.be/o9O-r4qkDOM

[timid trout]

I think tadpole was also the first to successfully put mesh replacements in game?

[dull oar]

First!
Yea I was, my terracotta soldier. Mark had to convert it for me then Eman ran with it making a tool and everything

[radiant belfry]

that was PashOK with Mafia 1 all the way back in December 2022

was only like 2 weeks after release. he replaced a car mesh iirc

sorry 😛

#showcase message

i believe this was it

[dull oar]

Noooo!!!

But your right, we reached out to him for help didn't we

[gaunt agate]

Ah yes. Back when #showcase was good

[stoic jetty]

Huh?

[gaunt agate]

yeah

[dull oar]

and they're finished

now lets go to ebay and find these shorts 🙂

[dull oar]

right guys just get your order in for the new 5 series graphics cards cause i'm gonna use every inch of one

also how come some day i can upload a 72mb video and most others i'm stuck with 25mb?

the frame rate blows cause i was photoscanning my enfield clip 🙂

[limber otter]

The server is boosted level 3

100mb limit

[dull oar]

oh right, neato 🙂

[radiant cradle]

My poor RX 7600

My poor Steam Deck

[sage locust]

My pc burns when watching

[dull oar]

another day, another processed scan. now we got a stripper clip (i think its called, americans will correct me if i'm wrong)

[gaunt agate]

You are correct

it is a stripper

clip

[dull oar]

woot 🙂

[dull oar]

english canteen anyone?

[gaunt agate]

How long does it keep my water cold?

[dull oar]

its wrapped in wool and made of tin. 10 seconds max

they used this is africa

this specific one was used in india

[gaunt agate]

hmm

That's not very efficient

[dull oar]

unless you wanted a cup of tea i guess 😛

and being english i do want one

apparently its a feature on british tanks to have a hot water heater so you can make cups of tea

[timid trout]

Well, I mean.. You are sitting right next to a couple hundred hp diesel engine

[sage locust]

I think WWII British tanks used petrol engines (mostly): Shermans, Crusaders and Churchills 😛

[dull oar]

okey dokey pokey pokey

is this necessary for cod2? no. do I want it anyway? yes

thinking about it captain prices mate does have one hanging off his webbing but it's a knife style bayonet instead of this one

[summer brook]

all sort of crazy toys. I wonder how you've got a ||spare table leg|| to scan at home 😏

[static tangle]

Just saw this... congrats on getting skinned asset replacement working! I know it's not well explained or exposed right now.

Did you have to do anything to correct the skeleton order?

[dull oar]

oh sorry its not skinned asset replacement, i'm modding cod2 😛

[static tangle]

ahhhh... I got too excited there 😛

[dull oar]

and we got an issue with normals i dont think i can fix, wondering if we might have an nvidia option?

[static tangle]

deets / github issue?

[dull oar]

where the bones bend the mesh we're getting meshed up normals, the triangle normals are fine but the interpolated normal are all screwy

i've captured the usd and checked it in max and confirmed the normals are jacked. it's happening during compiling of the asset with the old cod tools so we have no options

this is the usd post capture

before we compile to xmodel its sound, after the compile to load in game we get this

[static tangle]

huh... it almost looks like the normals are getting rotated in the opposite direction of the vertex positions

does COD do the skinning on the GPU or CPU?

[dull oar]

cpu

so we're stuck with the old ways

[static tangle]

ah, hmmm... if it was GPU I'd say this might be Remix's fault, but I'm not sure how Remix could be doing this if the skinning is CPU

[dull oar]

no cod2 has this as well without remix on this mesh

[static tangle]

ah, so it's a bug even when Remix doesn't exist

[dull oar]

but could remix try to fix it? i'm like one issue away from perfect photoreal 100,00 poly characters here

i have genuine antique uniforms behind me i'm scanning

i've secured a trip to a military museum to scan their weapons after hours

[static tangle]

well.. in this case we're just passing the vertex positions and normals through to be rendered, we're not altering the data.

[dull oar]

im so close to greatness!

[static tangle]

100k poly characters with CPU skinning?

and you're not getting 10 fps?

[dull oar]

runs well as well yea

[static tangle]

you sure it's CPU and not a vertex shader or something?

[dull oar]

the hashes arent stable and a capture gets no bones

thats all i know about if its cpu or vertex

i just send my latest build to david btw

[static tangle]

there's an option to disable experimental vertex shader support

[dull oar]

doesnt do anything here

not sure what that might mean

[static tangle]

probably means it's CPU

[dull oar]

anything you could do to make it generate nice normals or something though?

[static tangle]

I can't really think of a general way for Remix to fix this, if it's a problem in the original game.

It might be possible to hack in a way to ignore the vertex normals, but that would just give you hard triangle normals with no interpolation

[dull oar]

reaching now

[static tangle]

A harder hack would be to add some code that just detects the mesh somehow (by texture hash probably) and then manually calculates smooth normals for all vertices. That's kinda expensive in terms of compute tho, and I doubt we'd implement that ourselves. As long as it's easily disabled tho, we could take it as a pull request

[dull oar]

I would love that. at this point I cant see any other way

maybe if anyone at nvidia was inspired by a genuine m1943 jacket used by US soliders during the battle of the bulge in a remix game with real photoscanned weapons...
https://youtu.be/p7ROOvSmSwk

[static tangle]

Well if you can find someone to do the programming, it wouldn't be that hard of a feature to implement

If you file a github issue I can at least raise it with our leads, but I wouldn't expect them to give it a high priority

[dull oar]

yea i'll pop something in there 🙂 hope against hope. I'll carry on and suffer with the jank normals in the mean time

[static tangle]

If you can find a COD2 modder that can do basic geometry code in c++, I could probably give them a brief writeup on how they could implement this themselves

[dull oar]

@summer brook who can do stuff on the remix side, not sure if he'd be up for it. @slow shore is a cod modding legend. would you two be game to help?

[static tangle]

You'd basically want to add something that checks the texture hash of the draw call and modifies the vertex normals. You'd probably want to do it on a separate thread, implementing an algorithm like the one outlined here:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45477806/general-method-for-calculating-smooth-vertex-normals-with-100-smoothness

you can kinda use D3D9Rtx::processSkinning as an example, from src\d3d9\d3d9_rtx.cpp.

[summer brook]

from what I got glancing over the thread, the mesh is replaced in cod2 level and for some reason the mesh's vertex normals are being all distorted by the weights at CPU level, right?

[dull oar]

It's fine all to way til we compile the asset then you get this

[summer brook]

could it be a missmatch between the number of bones the engine supports per vertex and things get sideways at runtime?

[static tangle]

wouldn't that cause vertex position errors, not just normal errors?

[summer brook]

hmm yeah, most likely

[slow shore]

I know what @static tangle means but I'm still not sure why this happens in CoD2, even so I would prefer a solution that didn't require a modded client (which I've done in the past) and if the issue is present without RTX-Remix then still try to fix it if can be through the normal mod tools.

[slow shore]

Max is 4 weight influences per vertex like most engines

[dull oar]

We've limited max amount of verts affected by bones to 3 and it still does it

[summer brook]

@dull oar what if you made a unskinned replacement at cod level with an unique mesh that doesn't distort/mangles mesh hashes so you can perform the skinned replacement at remix level?

[static tangle]

would definitely be better to fix it within COD2 - but as long as this "force smooth normals" is gated behind a texture hash check, it's something that could be merged into Remix and made available to anyone.

[static tangle]

skinned replacement relies on a skeleton from the game

[summer brook]

the skeleton would be there, only mapped to a single bone though

[static tangle]

tadpole was saying that the skeleton doesn't show up when the mesh is captured, which means the game isn't sending the bones to the GPU

[dull oar]

Turning stable hashes into bones

You can stabilise a mesh hash be assigning all verts to one bone

It's easier than that, you can stabilise a mesh hash by assigning a material to groups of verts that don't move relative to each other

Turn the hashes into bones, ez

[summer brook]

sadly, if the skeleton data isn't sent to the GPU, there is noething remix can do

[static tangle]

we don't have any way to go from a group of meshes to a skeleton, but that's at least feasible. getting the skeleton order right would be a pain

but it'd be a pretty big feature

[dull oar]

Every game gets skin replacement. Would be wild

Could share character models between games

[static tangle]

you still need to be able to mod the game

[dull oar]

Oh yea true

It's how I'm stabilizing my weapons 🙂

[dull oar]

You'd define the parent bone in the hash

[static tangle]

but what if you get two instances with the same hash? we would have to figure out which child instance is parented to which parent instance, and if we get it wrong (like if the characters are close to eachother) you'd get some... very painful looking screwups

[dull oar]

All I do is set a new material per chunk. You could screw it up and get ripped characters but you'd have to be silly

[static tangle]

supporting cpu / vertex shader skinned mesh replacement is definitely something we want to support, and requiring modders to add a mesh per bone would certainly make that easier... but it also limits who can actually do it

[slow shore]

@dull oar Can u send me the compiled model I wanna check if it's in the compiled model result (or did u try with my xmodelconverter back to Blender) or the game just rendering the normals badly

[dull oar]

Sorry mate I've had to bail for the day, it's 1am ISH in the uk

[slow shore]

Np, I just wanted to check but I'll compile it myself then

[dull oar]

Just put me in the credits mate 😋

[dull oar]

Limits it to games with mod tools. Games without mod tools aren't getting as far as this honesty. like barnyard and sims

[gaunt agate]

Wouldn't mesh per bone take you to the late 90s when deformation wasn't viable

[static tangle]

yep, basically rigid bind skinning. But Remix could feasibly just treat those draw calls as bones to smooth skin some other replacement mesh.

[gaunt agate]

I see

[static tangle]

the challenge is in reliably converting a bunch of meshes into a skeleton (particularly if there are multiple instances), and in the toolkit workflow to let someone actually set up that skeleton and use it as a replacement

[dull oar]

Didn't we just an a tick box to separate out instances? Xoxor4ds thing

The aa/bb thing?

[static tangle]

the aabbs help when instances are separate from eachother - but I'm imagining a couple of characters shaking hands and their fingers become knots

[dull oar]

Wouldn't they need to be twins?

For the knotting to happen

It's not a real rig it's based on unique characters, not shared

[static tangle]

yep, but that's relatively common for npcs. a lot of them are only different in the face

[gaunt agate]

Let's say a CPU skinned character is playing an animation that loops every 60 frames, so one second. Will the start frame from one loop to the next have the same mesh hash?

[static tangle]

the idea is to rigid bind each mesh to one bone, so they'd all have stable hashes. Then you replace that entire batch of meshes with one smooth skinned mesh in Remix.

[dull oar]

If the verts don't change relative to each other within the same assigned material they're always stable

[gaunt agate]

So is that skinning based on the rigid bound mesh underneath or the bones?

[dull oar]

I got a gun I did last week somewhere

[static tangle]

the order of the verts also needs to be stable

[dull oar]

Started fixing guns with it last week. Using the stable hash for mesh replacements

[static tangle]

the rigid bounded meshes would each get a transform identical to the bone's transform, presuming the game does rigid binding reasonably.

[dull oar]

Guns don't flex

[static tangle]

then we just extract all those bone transforms and make a skeleton out of that

[gaunt agate]

Right, so you convert those rigid bound meshes into a skelly

Like get the bone positions from the rigid meshes

[dull oar]

Yea 🙂

[static tangle]

I should be clear - I'm speculating about ways to do this, not talking about anything we're actively working on

[gaunt agate]

That's a very insane solution which might work

I could have never figured that out

[dull oar]

#1099591203768504421 message
The clip and the bolt shared a material and were unstable during animation play back so I gave each there own material and now I got a mesh replacement on the clip 🙂

[static tangle]

An idea I had a long time ago was to let users select specific triangles (one per bone), and then derive bone transforms from there. It wouldn't require modding the game, but it does require a lot more UI in the toolkit, and also that the game have a triangle 100% controlled by each bone.

[gaunt agate]

That's unlikely

[dull oar]

Would be hard to find in older low polygon games wouldn't it

Big polys

[gaunt agate]

Yeah but it'd be bad for more broader compatibility

[static tangle]

probably. unfortunately there isn't enough information to derive a transform from a single vertex

[gaunt agate]

I've seen games where skinned rigid meshes have stable hashes

On the cpu

[dull oar]

Yea that's this thing

[gaunt agate]

Mostly weapon models that don't ever deform but are still controlled via the rig

[dull oar]

As long as each vert in ithe material doesn't change relative to each other within that material assignment it's stable

[gaunt agate]

For example in Delta force, the fp arms have unstable hashes while the gun is completely stable

[gaunt agate]

Makes sense

[dull oar]

Right, bed. night guys

[gaunt agate]

Wait tadpole

Quick off topic question

Do you have any experience with human photorealism in video games

Like skin and stuff

[slow shore]

tl;dr its a big rabbithole

also it varies greatly on which engine/renderer u use

e.g support for SSS etc

[gaunt agate]

I know but I wanted to ask some questions about some very specific stuff. I.e wrinkle maps

[slow shore]

for artist/designer side u just buy/download one of those face scanned wrinkly texture maps and substance paint that on top of ur model

[gaunt agate]

Human skin is a rabbit hole in any software

[gaunt agate]

Nah I meant realtime wrinkle maps based on skin deformation

[slow shore]

i saw a guy use blendshapes to do that, but that's all maya/blender etc

game engine wise idk

[gaunt agate]

Lemme explain

So in this image, both normal maps are compression

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196836285545971712/1255977579987599381/image.png?ex=667f17c6&is=667dc646&hm=e89a81cf6c0c66e0732103c4d47d9c0b641f1ccee6a8cff1e5cfd77d7f16a618&

But one is inwards and the other is outwards

Ignore the meme lol

I wanted to know what's the point of making two separate nm instead of just one normal map with all the compression

[slow shore]

side/up down? inwards outwards? to blend between i guess?

[gaunt agate]

And then calculate the distance between vertices compared to the base pose to find the compressed areas

At first, I thought one was a compression map and the other one was a stretch map

But that doesn't seem to be the case

If you look at the mouth, one is compression but outwards (cheeks) while the other is compression inwards (lips)

[slow shore]

correct me if im wrong but i think for wrinkle maps the workflow varies from software/game because it's not standardized yet

[gaunt agate]

From what I've seen, most games have a similar approach where the wrinkle maps are separated into multiple files

Here's an example from a different game where the maps are separated into three different types of motions

[slow shore]

maybe theres some stuff like stretch sideways and up or limitations of storing in normal

or better to blend this way for face

like FACS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_Action_Coding_System)

[gaunt agate]

Ah yes. Facs. The expression system with the least amount of range

I'll have to research deeper

[slow shore]

@dull oar Here are the normals rendered outside of CoD2 for the model you sent me

The normals seem ok I think, but the weird vertex see through is odd (which might be due to my bad implementation)

For reference this is CoD2's "playerbody_default"

Weird vertex see through not present in default model, maybe wrong weights for vertex or wrong weight paint? 🤷‍♂️

[summer brook]

looks a bit like indexing problem. Maybe the mesh is expected to be triangulated on export

[slow shore]

Ah could be that I forgot to triangulate before exporting

Also for indices on a mesh itself, in the model format that CoD2 itself reads they are stored as 16-bit unsigned integers, so a max of 65k

[summer brook]

oh well pointed. Tadpole mentioned a 100k poly char at some point up 👆

[slow shore]

I do wonder though because if it wasn't triangles I would've gotten a error while compiling with CoD2 mod tools.

[dull oar]

Little bit of experience, I've worked with files that have this set up. The controls for the power of the wrinkle map are the same controls for animation. You got a slider that goes from -1 0 +1. -1 is max opacity for your compression map, 0 is 0 opacity and +1 is max opacity for your stretch map. You use two maps as opposed to one if your two maps have overlapping sections

You need a weight map to define the parts of the face that get affected and keep the wrinkle map only affecting that one spot

[dull oar]

Yea that looks right don't it. Not sure what the transparency represents though but the arm looks right there

[dull oar]

Might have exaggerated a wee bit. That section of arm is well under at around a thousand

[dull oar]

This is the error you would see. Right bang smack in the middle of the section of arm I gave you. The normals are basically upside down as well as the arm twists a lot holding the end of the gun
#1099591203768504421 message

[gaunt agate]

Thank you. I'll see what I can do

[slow shore]

Yeah I'm not sure what causes this, altough maybe it's due to the CPU skinning it batching the mesh and (re)calculating normals badly? From what I remember it batches meshes at 4096 vertices or so before sending them to GPU.

Offtopic @static tangle when do we get WebRTX? 😏

I'm cooking

[static tangle]

webRTX? like RT instructions in webGL?

I wouldn't even know who to ask about for that

[timid trout]

https://youtu.be/Z7Nf5UYppuc
This guy is doing wild stuff with web gpu, sadly its chromium only
also this
~~https://github.com/codedhead/webrtx~~ actually runs on a compute shader

[dull oar]

I've looked at the weights on the original mesh skinning and they hide the seam on the twist bones by assigning the whole twist to the forearm mesh and the elbow to the shirt that's over the top. If they had a shirtless character with a smooth continuous mesh they'd have this problem as well. All bones have this problem though but few turn as much as the twist bones do

I think they're using them so you can have your shirt remain straight and untwisted while your arm underneath can be twisted upsidedown

All that said it's still a bug but now I know why the original meshes didn't show this issue.mits hidden in the bone weights

We do have r_skincache in game don't we. not sure what it does though,the mesh hashes change when you toggle it is all I can see

[slow shore]

Ah I've seen this, but yeah there's many pathtracer demos in either WebGL/WebGPU iirc i even saw one just use a fragment shader

[dull oar]

Your scanning ww2 guns in a months time at a museum. But how do you do it? Practice

[gaunt agate]

Dude build himself a doohickey

A doodad

A thingamajig

[dull oar]

https://tenor.com/view/wallace-wensleydale-hammer-gif-20832217

Invoking my inner Wallace

[slow shore]

Did u get permission 😮

[dull oar]

Not locked in yet but let's all collectively cross our fingers.

[gaunt agate]

I'm rooting for you

[sweet cloak]

Very advanced rifle there

[dull oar]

https://tenor.com/view/ross-friends-smug-smile-oops-gif-4195535

That's real on brand Blu tac mate

[tropic yew]

helo

textures are missing for me

can someone help?

[dull oar]

Screenshots please, that's a new one

[tropic yew]

also i dont think there is any differemce in lighting aswell

[dull oar]

Yea there won't be, you need to make lights

[tropic yew]

oh damnn

can you just send your rtx config file

and what about textures?

[dull oar]

Those are models mate. Textures are 2d pictures you put on models

[tropic yew]

ohhh

[dull oar]

Rtx remix is a tool to mod a game, you gotta get to modding mate.

Wherethefunbegins.gif

[tropic yew]

alr then

thanks tho

[dull oar]

Holla if you need a hand

[tropic yew]

ill think about it

[dull oar]

Hehehe antique fair turned out good

Got an M1 clip as well on the turntable behind the bren. I've edited the M1 to do away with the canned animation of the enbloc thingy flying off with a real one that fly's off with physics. Should have it in game before the end of the day

[gaunt agate]

That's not a clip. It's a magazine

Wait

M1

Oh it's behind

Makes sense

[dull oar]

sorry yea on the table behind

man i need to clean my turn table

it's bits of chipboard

[gaunt agate]

Don't

Helps with the photogrammetry process

[dull oar]

might be right actually, registration points and all that

[gaunt agate]

yeah

[dull oar]

gonna eat some dorrito's over it for extra coverage

[gaunt agate]

lol yeah

[timid trout]

tadpole is slowly building an arsenal for artistic purposes only

[dull oar]

the cardboard rifle can give you a mean papercut

[glass marlin]

@dull oar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke2h58rR2yw

smth u might be interested in

[dull oar]

nice, cheers mate. I'll give it a go 🙂

[glass marlin]

i wanna ask do u use photogrammetry as reference or just use image reference?

[dull oar]

its all photogrammetry, i retoppologize it and use the captured texture to drive the other data channels like metalness and roughness adding a little extra detail here and there 🙂

[glass marlin]

ah ok, what tool do u use?

[dull oar]

agisoft metashape

[sweet cloak]

You got some wild antique fairs. They’re just coins and junk here

[dull oar]

they had a boat load of decommissioned riffles as well, picked up a kar98. one miserable fuck had loads including an Enfield but it was all overpriced, in the thousands

when i say picked up a kar98 as in a picked it up and held it 😛

[sweet cloak]

You should see if the royal armory would let ya scan their stuff. I’m sure Jonathan Ferguson would be interested. 👀

[dull oar]

watching him right now 😛

he seems very nice

[sweet cloak]

He’s got the rare overlap of interest in gaming and weapons history background.

I would think the reactions series has lots of examples of ww2 weapons come to think of it.

[dull oar]

wow you're not wrong, looks like they've worked with rebellion on sniper elite
https://royalarmouries.org/contact-us/press-media-and-commercial/film-game-and-media-enquiries

doubt they'd be up to play around with a hobbyist like me, might be worth a shot 🙂

[sweet cloak]

I think they’d be interested in having them photo scanned as long as ya share them with the museum. Could be useful for their collection or archives.

Though, I’d bet Jonathan would be thrilled to have super accurate rifles in a game as well.

I’ve never looked through the armories actual channel. So many videos to watch

[radiant belfry]

who knows, COD2 may be his favorite game 😛

[dull oar]

thats something the other museum i'm visiting said, they want rights to post and share them which is awesome. The more people who see my work the happier i am 🙂

what if they licenced one of my scans to a movie or something

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-smiling-day-dreaming-gif-14873557

[sweet cloak]

Gotta make sure there’s an attribution bit in the licensing

[slow shore]

wtf thats that guy who does gun reviews for videogames 😂

[slow shore]

well makes sense

also maybe you or they could post them in sketchfab like other museums did

http://web.archive.org/web/20240229034114/https://sketchfab.com/blogs/community/sketchfab-launches-public-domain-dedication-for-3d-cultural-heritage/

(the original post unavailable due to site error)

[dull oar]

that would be best, its what ive been doing with everything ive finished as well with this channel thingy
https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1183842219216613377

[dull oar]

piiiiing

[radiant belfry]

the shadow is a bit creepy lol

very nice

[dull oar]

i have to cheek the normal map, its important

[gaunt agate]

Me when god freezes my body in time and space in a T pose

In a thong

[dull oar]

no rear ends in this one

[gaunt agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-gif-19478462

Femboy garand

[dull oar]

good lord thats carpet hes shot

original cod didnt have the clip shooting out like that, i modded the last bullet into a special model I replaced with remix 🙂 mods baby

and the original gun was unstable. I stablized it by splitting up it's materials on its moving parts and now its stable

modding the old game in the process

last time

[timid trout]

openfile
fprintln
closefile

With these 3 methods, you can write to rtx\scriptdata\<whatever you wish> file.
So we can read it from a dll mod which will then parse it & set rtx variables via xoxor4d's bridge api.

Is this too hacky?

I also found that as long as you don't change the map script, the level scope variables are always stored in the same offsets

@granite forge

[granite forge]

I would do more or less the same thing with my map_settings.ini file

or are you talking about gsc only?

[timid trout]

Yea no

I mean I would write to a file in the gsc, and also have an asi mod read the file, parsing & calling your api...

[granite forge]

so implementing scripting without implementing scripting

sounds hacky but should work

[timid trout]

Have a better idea that doesn't involve advanced stuff / magickery?

[granite forge]

well the best way would be to add a new gsc method that calls the bridge api. That requires quite a bit of reversing and coding tho :p

[timid trout]

Thats waaay ahead of me

[granite forge]

https://github.com/xoxor4d/iw3xo-dev/blob/2a41baa9148d7e2997cd95ccc009f95f04c7e51b/src/components/modules/gscr_methods.cpp#L538

you could maybe misuse some random unused gsc function that you hook in your dll

aaaaa trying to create a light was driving me crazy as it just wouldn't show up. Had a negative z position set on creation and it turns out casting a negative float to a DWORD and back is a no no. The light spawned at Z 1428512 something

[dull oar]

i got new hands in game! skinning and bones are still being a pain but this was rather easy

think i'm going to add some sleeves from my m43 jacket scan 🙂

also going to replace them with a scan of my own arm, keep the topology though