G6/z69-6

[foggy flower]

Well, now is just getting S6 finished and then just dip to A6 to then go all the way to A9 ^^

Feels weird to have GF at 6/10, should I finish it sometime?

[hollow glacier]

did you finish all artifacts?

[fickle flame]

no.

[foggy flower]

By probably Friday I should have them done

[hollow glacier]

Just in case
you do know that A9 is repeatable, right?

[harsh musk]

Where do I report if a layout on the spreadsheet is just lying about what it does

the second layout for BB2 claims to get over 1000 damage on the base with only 160 FR used. It doesn't even break 400 damage in reality

[fickle flame]

are you using it right though

[harsh musk]

I just realized i have heavy cruiser beam

too bad I've already grinded the stats for a cheaper clear, oh well

my brain was stuck on "it's a regen enemy, so i have to have beam no matter what"

[unique haven]

I may or may not be a complete idiot. Thought I haad completed all of G6, turns out you can miss on BB

[fickle flame]

[foggy flower]

The simple existence of the question kind of offends me because I'm using A9 to mill the process

[low jetty]

YOU CAN REPEAT A9????????

I THOUGHT ITS SO DUMB HOW THE LAST ONE GIVES SO LITTLE

[hollow glacier]

well, a lot of people didn't realise that
and your GF is very high level, which normally doesn't happen when you use all your FR on A9

[low jetty]

LMAO

how do you get that many fleet resources

damn

[hollow glacier]

by leveling R nodes

[low jetty]

hm

im missing mostly r7 and 4 levels of r5

and i still dont have enough for final fight

sad

ohh 2 levels of r6 missing too

still i feel like it wouldnt come down to so many repeats XD

[hollow island]

no

once artifacts are maxed you can spam A9 indefinitely

[low jetty]

ohhhhhhh right

[hollow glacier]

what's your power level?

[low jetty]

hehe

3.175

[hollow glacier]

that's not enough for b46(

[low jetty]

rip

yeah i mostly leveled the R nodes so far besides cheap S ones

ok s4 done

3.375 now and 4585 resources

[hollow glacier]

3.6+ is recommended actually

[low jetty]

NOOO

[hollow island]

:D

[low jetty]

bruh

thats insane

i do have 500 more fleet resources now

math...

well maybe i can beat it now

with 3,475 and 650 resources 🙏

probably not..

[hollow glacier]

nope

[low jetty]

shhh

let me hope

im cooking

[hollow glacier]

beating at less than 3.6x is
quite hard

[low jetty]

i died

[hollow island]

https://tenor.com/view/wii-bowling-you-died-nice-shot-nice-throw-wii-gif-14585950508892137938

[low jetty]

WYM NOT ENOUGH FUEL

anyone got some spare??

im addicted

feels like it will take way too long to get all the artifacts after beating it 😭

[hollow glacier]

you can always use some timeskips

[hollow glacier]

nope

[low jetty]

though the 1.5x will help

and probably the repeatable boy

[hollow glacier]

9-10k artifacts per run, up to 12k, if you renovated b6 (up to because of more and more FR)

with one run taking... 3-3.5x hours, depending on your fuel efficiency

[low jetty]

hmm

but thats still a LOT

[hollow glacier]

no?

[low jetty]

im at 80k/265k rn

hm

[hollow glacier]

yes, you'll need 18 runs

[low jetty]

oh what damn

[hollow glacier]

6-8 runs per day

[low jetty]

my math is failing me

[hollow glacier]

2-3 days

[low jetty]

thanks

i can always trust the people with default discord avatar to have the best advice

oh wait you do say only 9-10k WITH revnoation??

oh damn

no wonder

[hollow glacier]

yes

[low jetty]

me no have that yet

[hollow glacier]

it gets up to 12k, because you're leveling R nodes on the way

and S nodes

[low jetty]

yup

[hollow glacier]

did you reinforce in g6 at all?

[low jetty]

so i guess i neeed to figure out how to get renovation

yeah

i have it unlocked

i just dont have e23 components

[hollow glacier]

all tiles unlocked?

[low jetty]

no

[hollow glacier]

unlock all tiles via guides in #sector-117-123 (spreadsheet there in pins) and #sector-108-116

[low jetty]

thank youuuuuuuu

[hollow glacier]

yeah, 117-123 for you, spreadsheet

would suggest to run mats then level and run parts

and then level mats up to... 9 booster level
then same for parts and then level components to the same
iirc, at this point e23 is possible?

my memory may be wrong though

[low jetty]

ok thank you sm!! ill check it out and try some things

it does say if i wait 1,5 days i will have enough for rennovation

with the 4 slots missing

i do have a day timeskip....

maybe ill make it to half a day..

[hollow glacier]

that I do not know, sorry(

[low jetty]

nono i got it dw

thanks!

[dense lily]

the sheet for BB3 have way too many notes. i dont even know anymore

[low jetty]

uhm....... when you "finish current run" on a galaxy with fleet scrap in your inv, does it automatically go anywhere or do you lose it..

XD

((asking for a friend))

[hollow island]

auto spent on whatever node you have access to

[low jetty]

ok tyyy

[foggy flower]

What a glorious day if you ask me

I will be just close to finish it tomorrow

[foggy flower]

Am I really going to get late to sleep just to finish this?

[hollow glacier]

you may or may not use time skip

[crystal pagoda]

A coupleof hours away from a reinforce and I will get the last capital shield and whatever else I can afford with my next run

[tepid imp]

b6 renovation as well.

[crystal pagoda]

Thanks for that reminder

Guess it won't be a couple of hours 😛

Maybe I will just use a few time skips

[stone depot]

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-6
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, R1 Level 1, R1 Level 2
Run 2: S1 Level 1, B6 Cleared, R2 Level 1
Run 3: F2 Unlocked, B7 Cleared, R2 Level 2
Run 4: B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, R1 Level 3, R1 Level 4
Run 5: R1 Level 5
Run 6: R1 Level 6
Run 7: S2 Level 1, B10 Cleared, R2 Level 3
Run 8: B10 Cleared, R2 Level 4
Run 9: F3 Unlocked, B12 Cleared, R3 Level 1, R3 Level 2
Run 10: S1 Level 2, R2 Level 5
Run 11: HF Level 1, R3 Level 3, B11 Cleared, BB1 Cleared
Run 12: BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, S1 Level 3
Run 13: B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, R2 Level 6, S2 Level 2
Run 14: B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, R2 Level 7
Run 15: S3 Level 2, B18 Cleared
Run 16: B19 Cleared, R1 Level 7, S1 Level 4
Run 17: S1 Level 5
Run 18: BE Level 1, B20 Cleared, S2 Level 3, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2, R3 Level 4
Run 19: B21 Cleared, S3 Level 3, B22 Cleared, B23 Cleared, S4 Level 1
Run 20: S4 Level 2, B24 Cleared, F4 Unlocked, B25 Cleared, B27 Cleared, R4 Level 3
Run 21: B26 Cleared, B28 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R1 Level 8, R2 Level 8, R5 Level 2
Run 22: S3 Level 4, BB2 Cleared, BB2 Cleared, R4 Level 4
Run 23: B29 Cleared, S5 Level 1, R1 Level 9, F5 Unlocked, R2 Level 9

Run 24: S2 Level 4, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2
Run 25: S4 Level 3, B33 Cleared, R6 Level 3
Run 26: S3 Level 5, B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, R1 Level 10, R4 Level 5
Run 27: S6 Level 1, R3 Level 5
Run 28: S2 Level 5, HP Level 1, R4 Level 6
Run 29: S5 Level 2, B36 Cleared, F6 Unlocked, R2 Level 10
Run 30: S4 Level 4, B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, R7 Level 1
Run 31: S4 Level 5, BB3 Cleared
Run 32: BB3 Cleared, R3 Level 6, R3 Level 7, R2 Level 11, R2 Level 12
Run 33: B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, B42 Cleared, S5 Level 3
Run 34: R1 Level 11, R1 Level 12, F7 Unlocked
Run 35: B43 Cleared, GF Level 1, R5 Level 3, R5 Level 4, R5 Level 5
Run 36: S6 Level 2, R7 Level 2
Run 37: B44 Cleared, R5 Level 6, R4 Level 7, R6 Level 4
Run 38: B45 Cleared, R5 Level 7, R6 Level 5, R4 Level 8
Run 39: R7 Level 3, R3 Level 8
Run 41: F8 Unlocked, R8 Level 1, R6 Level 6, R4 Level 9
Run 42: R6 Level 7, R4 Level 10
Run 43: S5 Level 4
Run 44: S6 Level 3
Run 45: S5 Level 5, B46 Cleared
Run 46: B46 Cleared, R8 Level 2

still have to clean up arti's but not horrible for initial clear, in case thats helpful to anyone. feel like there were a few spots i was pretty inefficient but yeah

[old silo]

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-6
Run 1: B1 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B2 Cleared, R1 Level 1, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, S1 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, B7 Cleared, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2
Run 3: S1 Level 2, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, R1 Level 2
Run 4: F3 Unlocked, R1 Level 3, R2 Level 3
Run 5: B10 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R1 Level 4
Run 6: S1 Level 3, B11 Cleared, BB1 Cleared
Run 7: S2 Level 1, R2 Level 4, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared
Run 8: S2 Level 2, B12 Cleared, R3 Level 1
Run 9: S1 Level 4, R3 Level 2
Run 10: HF Level 1, R2 Level 5, R1 Level 5, B13 Cleared
Run 11: S1 Level 5, B14 Cleared
Run 12: B15 Cleared, S2 Level 3, B16 Cleared
Run 13: B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, S3 Level 2, B18 Cleared, B19 Cleared
Run 14: S3 Level 3, R1 Level 6, R2 Level 6, BE Level 1
Run 15: B20 Cleared, S3 Level 4, B21 Cleared, R3 Level 3, GF Level 1
Run 16: S2 Level 4, B22 Cleared, B23 Cleared
Run 17: S4 Level 1, S4 Level 2, B24 Cleared, B25 Cleared, B27 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2, B28 Cleared
Run 18: F4 Unlocked, B26 Cleared, S4 Level 3
Run 19: S2 Level 5, BB2 Cleared, R4 Level 3, R5 Level 1
Run 20: S3 Level 5, R5 Level 2, R2 Level 7
Run 21: S4 Level 4, R1 Level 7, B29 Cleared
Run 22: R4 Level 4, R3 Level 4, R2 Level 8, R1 Level 8, R2 Level 9
Run 23: F5 Unlocked, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, R1 Level 9, R4 Level 5, R3 Level 5, R2 Level 10

Run 24: S5 Level 1, B33 Cleared, R1 Level 10, R1 Level 11, R2 Level 11
Run 25: S5 Level 2, R6 Level 1, B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, R6 Level 2
Run 26: S6 Level 1, R2 Level 12, R6 Level 3, R1 Level 12
Run 27: S4 Level 5, HP Level 1
Run 28: R3 Level 6, R3 Level 7, R4 Level 6, R5 Level 3
Run 29: R4 Level 7, R5 Level 4, R3 Level 8, B36 Cleared
Run 30: R4 Level 8, R6 Level 4, F6 Unlocked, B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, R7 Level 1, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, B42 Cleared, R3 Level 9
Run 31: R3 Level 10, R4 Level 9, BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared
Run 32: S5 Level 3, R3 Level 11, R4 Level 10, F7 Unlocked, B43 Cleared
Run 33: R8 Level 1
Run 34: F8 Unlocked, R6 Level 5, R5 Level 5
Run 35: S6 Level 2, R3 Level 12, R4 Level 11
Run 36: R4 Level 12, R5 Level 6, R5 Level 7
Run 37: R6 Level 6, R6 Level 7, R7 Level 2, B44 Cleared
Run 38: S5 Level 4, R5 Level 8, B45 Cleared
Run 39: S6 Level 3
Run 40: S5 Level 5, GF Level 2
Run 41: R5 Level 9, R6 Level 8, R7 Level 3
Run 42: S6 Level 4
Run 43: B46 Cleared, B46 Cleared, R6 Level 9, R5 Level 10

[dense lily]

i dont understand why in the sheet there is .025 fleet dmg. how can you get 3.625x when the S node are 0.1

[rapid aspen]

So, what is the best L1 take for G6?

I am at 1.5 difficulty

Would be very happy if I could steal someone's solutions too? I am currently choosing fighter at L1

[rapid aspen]

Galaxy node

Gives +0.025 FR AND dmg/hp

Currently it seems that if I could make a corvette build work, that would be best. I am at the point of taking out BB1

[dense lily]

ohh

[dense lily]

always fighter for me

[rapid aspen]

Alright

Am stuck trying to get above... 773.92 damage to BB1 in 160 FR at 1.6 modifier

2 cruisers, 2 corvettes

Support online

Let me know if you are giving it a shot for me - I have given up. I had a working lineup that did just under 750 damage for 150FR

CRAP

I lost all the new solutions I came up with when I took a corvette at L1

Since I switched back

But there were two really perfect ones

Saved me a fair few FR, and in G6 even 20 extra FR makes all the difference since you are putting so much into those support lasers

R nodes must be much better than I realised for G6

[dense lily]

and whats the issue? if you want 2 attempt then that enough no

[rapid aspen]

My B9 solution was so good before

Now it feels wasteful

Can't remember what it was, just remember it was around 30 FR?

[hollow glacier]

the most common is fighter I think

[rapid aspen]

Hmm, well, it's a shame I lost some of my best clears, but I went back and redid it with fighters

Still not got BB1

[dense lily]

in 10h, last boss will be down

i couldve done it 5h early if i didnt forget to actually buy f8 beforehand

[full scarab]

is bb3 updated in the doc?

looks like there's 3 rows in game

or columns ig

[dense lily]

you mean last boss which is b46 or bb3 which is unlock tether

gg

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-6
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R1 Level 1, R2 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, S2 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared
Run 3: B10 Cleared, R1 Level 2, R2 Level 2, R2 Level 3
Run 4: S1 Level 2, F3 Unlocked, B12 Cleared, B11 Cleared, R1 Level 3
Run 5: S1 Level 3, HF Level 1, R3 Level 1, B13 Cleared
Run 6: BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R2 Level 4, R1 Level 4
Run 7: S2 Level 2, R3 Level 2, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared
Run 8: S1 Level 4, B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, R3 Level 3
Run 9: S3 Level 2, R2 Level 5, R1 Level 5
Run 10: S1 Level 5, B18 Cleared, B19 Cleared, BE Level 1, R1 Level 6
Run 11: S2 Level 3, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, B23 Cleared, R4 Level 1
Run 12: S2 Level 4, B22 Cleared, R2 Level 6
Run 13: R4 Level 2, R4 Level 3, S4 Level 1, B24 Cleared, F4 Unlocked, R2 Level 7
Run 14: S4 Level 2, B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, B27 Cleared, B28 Cleared, B29 Cleared, R1 Level 7, R5 Level 1, R5 Level 2
Run 15: S3 Level 3, BB2 Cleared, R2 Level 8, R1 Level 8
Run 16: S3 Level 4, BB2 Cleared, S5 Level 1
Run 17: S2 Level 5, F5 Unlocked
Run 18: S3 Level 5, S4 Level 3, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, B33 Cleared, R3 Level 4, R6 Level 1
Run 19: S4 Level 4
Run 20: R3 Level 5, R4 Level 4, R6 Level 2, R2 Level 9, B34 Cleared, R4 Level 5
Run 21: R2 Level 10, R1 Level 9, R4 Level 6, B35 Cleared, R1 Level 10
Run 22: R3 Level 6, R2 Level 11, R6 Level 3, HP Level 1
Run 23: B36 Cleared, S6 Level 1, R1 Level 11, R2 Level 12
Run 24: R5 Level 3, F6 Unlocked, R1 Level 12, R3 Level 7

Run 25: S5 Level 2, B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, R7 Level 1, R4 Level 7
Run 26: S4 Level 5, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, R3 Level 8
Run 27: F7 Unlocked, B42 Cleared, B43 Cleared, R4 Level 8, R4 Level 9, R6 Level 4
Run 28: R3 Level 9, R7 Level 2, R3 Level 10
Run 29: S5 Level 3, R6 Level 5
Run 30: R8 Level 1
Run 31: R8 Level 2
Run 32: S6 Level 2, B44 Cleared, R7 Level 3, B45 Cleared
Run 33: R8 Level 3
Run 34: S5 Level 4, R5 Level 4, R5 Level 5, R6 Level 6
Run 35: R5 Level 6, F8 Unlocked, R4 Level 10, R3 Level 11, GF Level 1
Run 36: B46 Cleared, B46 Cleared

[full scarab]

b46 you right

just assumed the last battle would be the last on the sheet whoops

[light flax]

I started my galaxies with corvettes as first 5-10 nodes were better with it for me, then I've seen on discord that full clears are best with fighters, the change did improve fuel usage, but it's not a gamechanger

[soft birch]

sir

[coarse vapor]

Should I look to finish off all R nodes before I go full machine gun on A9?

Oh just fill them in as you go?

[soft birch]

#sector-124-131 probably fill in as you go, i asked a bit earlier today if you want to follow those responses

[coarse vapor]

Thanks!

All in line with my thinking then, just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something important

[acoustic jetty]

finishing the R nodes first is pretty close to optimal anyway

and if you want the unique nodes achievement it definitely is optimal

[harsh musk]

man, most of g6 kinda just suddenly happens doesn't it

[novel olive]

Is there any place I can see tips on how to beat B33?

[soft birch]

Uhhh there’s a solution doc but do want that or tips?

[novel olive]

Where is the doc? 🙂

My page wasnt showing the fixated messages...

[proper bronze]

Ok. So I apparently did galaxy 5 super unoptimized. What did people take for L1 and L2?

[proper bronze]

ok wow. Trying that with the FS from S119 is cancer. B1, A1, F1. That's it. I have no more resources for B3. 🙂 Every run I see is like "Run 1: 11 nodes cleared"

[fervent zinc]

usually I just take fighters unless there's a good reason not to

oof not even B3? how much FR do you have? o.O

[hollow glacier]

and L2 is SO late in this one, so by the point you get there you will know what you want
usually it's fighters too
in M1 it's heavy cruiser if available, cruiser if not

[fervent zinc]

😮 my B46's screenshot got deleted!

I'm a little surprised a better clear hasnt been found

[hollow glacier]

yeah, I posted here that it was deleted

asked if someone has it or something

apparently someone found it

[proper bronze]

started with 611

400 for F1

[hollow glacier]

it's one-time deal

f1 activation is 100

you will be able to do more later

[proper bronze]

Oh I know

Just a "ouch"

See people posting about their first run being up to B7-B9 and I cannot even get B3 😄 Just "Ouch. I need to push my Sectors up"

[fervent zinc]

oof 400 that's not a lot to play with

[proper bronze]

611 first time, 400 used in the first full unlock of F1

[fervent zinc]

1200 FR when I went through apparently

you are just a tad early

[proper bronze]

Yup

[proper bronze]

How the hell did someone do B8 S/NH with 1.1x? Why is it worse than the the B/H: 1.1x? (referring to the spreadsheet)

[fervent zinc]

you dont like the clear in the spreadsheet?

[proper bronze]

Just

1. There is a Support/Hazard run that uses less FR
2. There is a Support/No Hazard run that uses far less FR than 1
   I'm half tempted to remove that entry entirely

[fervent zinc]

the s/h is cheaper than the s/nh?

[proper bronze]

yeah

[fervent zinc]

oh woops

I got myself confused

I forget, do you start with cruiser? or do you get that mid galaxy?

[proper bronze]

Maybe the FR is horribly wrong but I cannot test it with NH

[fervent zinc]

yeah you can, practice mode 😛

weird, it's a 57 FR clear. How did itever get labaled 108 lol

it's only deploying 60

[proper bronze]

updated it

And the person being like "Advisor is 87?". What were they running?

Additionally, I would think that the Hazard runs would be on top. The NH runs should be further down. Pretty much S/H->NS/H<->S/NH->NS/NH

Most people going into this aren't going to be NH running immediately and the further along you are the lower you should be looking.
Not sure who the original author is so I kinda don't want to be like "The organization needs work. I fixed it" and they had it organized.

[fervent zinc]

the original author is this chat

[proper bronze]

Fair

[fervent zinc]

but yeah, it could use cleaning up and reorganizing

[proper bronze]

As I'm not that far in yet. Is there a point where you'd run NS/H?

I can see that one

but what about S/NH?

[fervent zinc]

think I ran a couple that way, but it's more like "crap I dont have enough FR left"

[proper bronze]

fair enough

[fervent zinc]

that was about ns/h

s/nh seems pretty common, no?

[proper bronze]

Not far along in this. Going along and my FR is so trash I'm trying to optimize even further

but trying to figure how to organize it if I were

[fervent zinc]

yay I found a better clear - 42 FR

[hollow glacier]

all the skips are in pins or on the page for skips
at some point you skip support

[fervent zinc]

😦 below 50 now

how many possible entries are there anyway...

[austere adder]

Uh, at least 46x160

[fervent zinc]

yeah that's not many, but what about the GF levels!

also dont forget the bb's

is it just 10*(46+3)*160?

oh and h/s is up to 4x?

oh then L1, etc...

HP is x2, M1 is x3, L1/L2 are x2x3?

bunch of those are unreasonable combos, but still

[proper bronze]

Hmm, Not getting the numbers for B9 S/H 1.2x

[fervent zinc]

~2million combos?

it works, just FR is off? could be from a different version, I forget if there some minor tweaks along the way

[proper bronze]

And now I'm going to start being off the spreadsheet as I'm going to have 1.3 S/H because I don't have the FR to kill things 🙂 Oh well

[fervent zinc]

need more R nodes

[proper bronze]

Yup. Or just more sectors

Right now I'm right before the base/cruiser node and don't have the resources to do anthing. Next run I'll unlock 1.3 damage. shrugs

I try to balance the nodes, I probably should focus FR more

[proper bronze]

woo. I found a more optimal build for B9 S/H 1.1-1.3

[proper bronze]

What the everloving censored? Thought. Hey lets clean up the spreadsheet some. Start expanding on things so I can find which of the spreadsheet is actually best so people don't have to comb through so hard. Start at B1, as one does, and almost instantly am confused.
This setup is WORSE at 1.1x then it was at 1x

At 1x modifier you get a score of 30.84. At 1.1x you get 31.8????

[hollow glacier]

well, that's kinda normal

you probably need to mingle with positioning

[rich fossil]

lol

[proper bronze]

Not bothing with that. Just using the builds "as is" and seeing if someone suggested a better build. Do I delete completely defunct builds?

Like "Another build does everything better"

[rich fossil]

not my sheet but uh

if you are volunteering to fix it, then I'm sure people would find it helpful

[proper bronze]

I cannot promise to fix everything. Just planning on doing maybe a column when I get time

[proper bronze]

Other strange one. More power = more FR used for some reason

2.2x to 2.3x

[rich fossil]

yeah it happens

has been a thing in nearly every galaxy so far

mainly the ones with fighters, ofc

[hollow glacier]

yes, I won't call that strange by any means

[proper bronze]

Nobody but me cares but B1-B2 is accurate now.. Some things lasted longer than people gave credit to. Some started as the better option sooner. And some just were outclassed.

With the information there. There may be better layouts. I wasn't testing that

[rich fossil]

thank you for your service

[undone yoke]

welcome to g6

[proper bronze]

? I've been here for awhile. It was pissing me off that I had to scroll up and down a ton to find the best setup at a certain point

[undone yoke]

This setup is WORSE at 1.1x then it was at 1x

there's a lot of that in g6

[proper bronze]

ah

[hollow glacier]

there's a lot of that everywhere(

[soft birch]

Some of the setups are the best at 3.4x then don't have their score increase with that same setup until after 4.1x

[proper bronze]

I came across some of those. Some slowly get better. Some are like "so at x I take 2 shots. x+1 is 1.9 shots... so 2 shots. X+2 is 1.8 shots... so 2 shots" and nothing changes for a bit

[hollow glacier]

my 3.625-3.65 b46 setups are like the worst offenders I've seen
they're currently the best for those two power points, but they are utterly destroyed at 3.6 and 3.675x
idk if they can come up at higher power, didn't try, since at 3.725x onwards we have Alephs' build, which is 430 for clear with 2-shot, so less total FR than mine

[proper bronze]

Typically what I'd end up doing there is checking 3.6, 3.7. If it's worse before then and after your breakpoints they'll stay 'as is' but I've noticed a lot of builds are actually pretty good earlier than people gave them credit for

Assuming I get up to B46 🙂

(in my cleanup)

[hollow glacier]

at 3.6 my build doesn't work, at 3.7 too(

[proper bronze]

It works like that sometimes 🙂

If it's the best build at some breakpoint I'm going to keep it. I assume anyone else who cleans up will too.

My goal is to be like "Breakpoint X? This is the best build and it's in order with other breakpoints"

Reason I started cleaning up was because I hated having to go "Is this 2.3 better than this other 2.3 that is like 5 images down"

[hollow glacier]

it's currently best at 3.625x and 3.65x

problem is
we don't have 3.6x build in spreadsheet yet

no one was able to create something for that

[proper bronze]

Someone succeeded

I'm sure

Even if it's just a 3.5 build slightly extended

If NOBODY was at 3.5 at that point in time... Well then that's on someone smarter than me to figure out

[hollow glacier]

idk, but last time I checked spreadsheet didn't had 3.6x two-shot

and at 3.5x we had 3-shot, I believe

[proper bronze]

I'm cleaning up. I'm not a guru at builds 😄

[hollow glacier]

yeah, I'm just saying
it's a little frustrating, to not have 3.6x builds

[proper bronze]

spend an hour testing 2 things against eachother. Scroll down to next image. Simply better than both prior images. Ouch.

[hollow glacier]

that a very big problem with spreadsheet, yes

[proper bronze]

B3 is done. Wooo. Went from 8 images to 4

And Slyv changing anything may invalidate all this

[hollow glacier]

well, that here we can't really predict

[austere adder]

hopefully there are no changes

though ther eis one stubborn bug somehwere with inconsistency in results, so if that ever gests figured out and fixed might be a few subtle differences T.T

[proper bronze]

Yeah. The weird issue where sometimes fighters just suck worse then they did just a moment ago

[hollow glacier]

you're talking about auto-improve doing impossible battles?

[austere adder]

eh no I think thats been fixed

just whatever this is https://discord.com/channels/1023372620705566740/1397596957001650288

[proper bronze]

Also, this should probably go into suggestions but... I'm doing a ton of these fights. It doesn't remember them when I get to that power q.q

I'm halfway through the galaxy about and just brute forcing the spreadsheet to be nicer to people who follow after me

😄

B4 looks messy.

Away I go

I wish I could see what the advisors were here. B4 1x starts with a configuration that's not in the spreadsheet. Is better? No idea. 😄 But it would suck to put something in here that's straight up worse than someone already found but didn't think to add to the spreadsheet

1x = win, 1.1x = lose. Thanks fighters.

[proper bronze]

Argh. Fighters are so inconsistant

Probably doesn't help that what's going on is the fighter kills something. The support misses what it hit previously and the fighters flail around in a new configuration

1.1x-lose / 1.2x-26.96 /1.3x-24.44 / 1.4x-24.44 / 1.5x-27.35 / 1.6x-25 / 1.7x-25 1.8x-25 / 1.9x-25.62 / 2x-29.26 / 2.1x-24.44 / 2.2x-22.91 / 2.3x-22.88
1.2-1.4 good good. Getting better. 1.5x = what the fuck happened. 1.9x = Slightly worse but ok. 2x-YOU'RE WORSE THAN WHEN YOU STARTED. 2.1x ok back to where we were at 1.3x... going down again.
It's a rollercoaster of wtf

[proper bronze]

and b4. Off to actually play the game for a bit.

[proper bronze]

B4 question. It kinda leaps between various builds at certain break points. Should I format so the next best is always the next cell down or should I let them leapfrog up and down repeatedly (so far just 1 image) to conserve space?

For example, assuming 1.1x-1.3x in build A is best then 1.4x-1.7x in buld B is best then 1.8x-1.9x in A again and then 2x is C. Should I go ABC or ABAC?

ABAC is less trying to find where the next best is but potentially a lot more room needed.

[light flax]

I liked one unique layout, no duplicating, rather leapfrogging

[north raptor]

For the first 5 galaxies I just winged it, not ideal but I got there in the end, but I've come here seeking help on G6. I am 33 runs in and only B21 cleared. Looking back through the chat it seems as though there might be some sort of guide or spreadsheet but I'll be dammed if I can find it, so would appreciate any pointers in the right direction.

[hollow glacier]

pins

#1387177734215827549 message

[north raptor]

Thank you, I swear I searched for pins, but there doesn't seem to be a pinned post icon in here like all the other groups.

Ah I got it, I had to select "Open in full view" to see the pins icon, stupid discord making things hard

[north raptor]

Just wanted to take a moment to say thanks to everyone that has contributed to the spreadsheet ... it is amazing!

[proper bronze]

Can you go into detail on that? The ABAC route with duplicated images? Or ABC no duplications? Or "I don't like switching. This is good enough?" for like an route AC?

[light flax]

I meant that if there's a unique layout, I'd prefer to see it once, as for simple fights it's easy to find the one you look for, and for fights like with hazard+support+enemy base/ship there's already 30 layouts.
So I lean toward ABC no duplications

[rich fossil]

man beams really suck huh

[rich fossil]

think I've set 3 advisors so far clicking "deploy ships" from the previous advisor and just clicking start

[fickle flame]

lmao what

[proper bronze]

Not uncommon. I found a couple "i just tossed this in at 2.3x" and you find its best from 2x to 2.6x

The one I hate the most was one that was best at 1x and failed 1.1x. Just like "What?"

[fickle flame]

moment

tbf at that point between 1x and 1.1x is the biggest relative difference in stats one s node can give you

[proper bronze]

And it leads to a loss

Pilots get cocky i guess

[undone yoke]

there was somebody who posted 1 solution at like 4x or thereabouts for at least a dozen different nodes and I kept finding it was a better solution for like 1-1.5x less fleet strength

[proper bronze]

And every so often someone finds a better solution for like 1 specific spot. B2, Someone found if you move a ship one spot you use SLIGHTLY less for 3.7 but that's the only time it matters

I suppose it might work at like 3.65 or something but I try to avoid testing anything but .1s unless someone else included it

[hollow glacier]

I would argue, that testing 0.025s

is also good idea

since 1 level on GF is quite normal if you don't minmax

2 levels on GF are much less common imo

3 levels are very rare

[fickle flame]

you'd never know if somebody had 4 levels or god forbid 5 levels of GF though

[hollow glacier]

you don't need to

4 levels is +0.1
which is 1 level of S node

5 levels is +0.125
which is 1 level of S node and 1 level of GF node

I also know that some people have 10 GF without completing B46
Seen at least two of those

so basically if you want to do like max-max check, you "only" need to check 0.025, 0.05 and 0.075 additionally to 0.1 values

[rapid aspen]

So... Why is my amount of unstable artifacts offered for spending an instability going up each second

[rich fossil]

are you running b6 on components

[rapid aspen]

Hmm, that makes sense

Thanks

(Just a couple on B6 where there are free spaces)

[hollow glacier]

your b6 isn't renovated yet?

[rapid aspen]

No

Nowhere near

I have been focusing mats

[hollow glacier]

you aren't focusing anything with this setup

[rapid aspen]

Correct, I needed to start unlocking the inside bits, so I started with one side on parts

[hollow glacier]

better to do mats-parts cycle

[rapid aspen]

Not much point adding in extra parts producers if they aren't boosted by 7x boosters

[hollow glacier]

since currently your mats production is at least halved

[rapid aspen]

Ty for tip, will change accordingly

[hollow glacier]

and probably more, because you may be near next level of mats booster? that I'm not sure about

[rapid aspen]

Oooh, just 7x the cost of upgrading my mats. Should have upgraded the mats booster a while ago, ty

[rich fossil]

what in the fuck is going on here

practice mode just gives a different result to a normal run?

?????

... wait a sec

yeah it's float bullshit

now how the hell do I fix it LMAO

[hollow glacier]

in spreadsheet? probably can't, lol

as for game - ask Lucky or Sylv

[rich fossil]

not in spreadsheet, this is just my own clear

[hollow glacier]

maybe create bug report, if you didn't already

[rich fossil]

ye already done

[hollow glacier]

well, I don't think you can fix it in game too

[rich fossil]

D:

[timber turret]

you can fix it and recompile the game! ez

[hollow glacier]

"modders wil fix it"

[rich fossil]

ok well I figured out how to fix it at least lmao

gonna get my 1 FR back

[proper bronze]

Woo? New color for "Non-standard pick" for L nodes. >.> Is another color better than 'yellow' for that?

Not going to test if it's better or worse than anything. Just "Hey, yeah this is a thing"

The spreadsheet pretty much assumes you have 2 fighters

[proper bronze]

oh no... I found a new 'better'. Now I have to test it. Noooooo

When you add a entirely new entry to the spreadsheet and you're sad. "Hey. This ship never even gets in range to fire. Maybe I can remove it". Answer, yes. And it was apparently true for awhile

[rich fossil]

corvettes and not picking anything are both better than fighters for the first ~15 fights in G6 at various stat lines but there are so many skirmisher fights later on that you kinda have to take them after a while

[proper bronze]

B4, if you're running the Support route to farm resources from BB2, requires 2 fighters for most of the way

You only don't need 2 fighters in 1x.

is there a better strat without? Probably. I don't know it though

[hollow glacier]

yeah, just most people pick 2 fighters

[wanton nebula]

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-6
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R1 Level 1, R2 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, S2 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared
Run 3: R1 Level 2, R2 Level 2, R2 Level 3, B10 Cleared
Run 4: S1 Level 2, F3 Unlocked, B12 Cleared, R1 Level 3, B11 Cleared
Run 5: S1 Level 3, HF Level 1, R3 Level 1, B13 Cleared, BB1 Cleared
Run 6: BB1 Cleared, R2 Level 4, R1 Level 4
Run 7: S2 Level 2, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, R3 Level 2
Run 8: S1 Level 4, B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1
Run 9: S3 Level 2, R3 Level 3, B18 Cleared, R2 Level 5
Run 10: S1 Level 5, B19 Cleared, R1 Level 5
Run 11: S2 Level 3, BE Level 1, R1 Level 6
Run 12: S2 Level 4, B20 Cleared, R4 Level 1, B21 Cleared, B22 Cleared, R4 Level 2, B23 Cleared
Run 13: S4 Level 1, R4 Level 3, R2 Level 6, B24 Cleared, F4 Unlocked
Run 14: S4 Level 2, R2 Level 7, B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, R5 Level 1, B27 Cleared, B28 Cleared, R5 Level 2
Run 15: S3 Level 3, BB2 Cleared, BB2 Cleared, R1 Level 7, R2 Level 8, R1 Level 8, GF Level 1
Run 16: S3 Level 4, B29 Cleared, S5 Level 1
Run 17: R2 Level 9, R1 Level 9, R3 Level 4, R4 Level 4
Run 18: F5 Unlocked, S2 Level 5, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2, R5 Level 3
Run 19: S3 Level 5, B33 Cleared, S4 Level 3

Run 20: S4 Level 4, R3 Level 5
Run 21: R4 Level 5, R4 Level 6, R2 Level 10, R1 Level 10, R3 Level 6
Run 22: B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, HP Level 1, R2 Level 11, R6 Level 3, R1 Level 11, R2 Level 12
Run 23: S6 Level 1, R1 Level 12, B36 Cleared, R3 Level 7
Run 24: S5 Level 2, F6 Unlocked, B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, R7 Level 1, BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, GF Level 2, R4 Level 7
Run 25: S4 Level 5, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, R3 Level 8
Run 26: R4 Level 8, R4 Level 9, F7 Unlocked, B42 Cleared, B43 Cleared, R6 Level 4, R7 Level 2
Run 27: R3 Level 9, R3 Level 10, S5 Level 3
Run 28: R6 Level 5, R5 Level 4, R5 Level 5, R4 Level 10
Run 29: R5 Level 6, R7 Level 3
Run 30: R8 Level 1, R3 Level 11
Run 31: R8 Level 2, S6 Level 2
Run 32: GF Level 3, R8 Level 3, B44 Cleared, B45 Cleared
Run 33: S5 Level 4, F8 Unlocked, R6 Level 6
Run 34: S5 Level 5, B46 Cleared, B46 Cleared, R5 Level 7

Start could have been a little more efficient

[naive inlet]

Wouldnt it be nicer like this?
imho improves readability
(First row is locked on all sheets)

[proper bronze]

sure

No objection here.

[naive inlet]

Im also pretty sure there should be some background color scheme to distinct s/ns/h/nh
smth like this

it can also be done via conditional formatting (using the "starts with" rule) if we assume people are too lazy

[proper bronze]

Wouldn't hurt. However, how do we display off 'standard' track?

[naive inlet]

Well... i just had the worst f@#$ing idea ever

Hmmm
Not the best but... could work?
🟨 emoji time

[proper bronze]

the yellow is an idea. Mainly as I want to point out that it's still valid but it's not 'normal' for there

but the concern is also readibility

I don't want 9000 colors and flash bomb myself opening the doc

Also, in theory NS/H is possible but you'd have to be an idiot to try

[proper bronze]

I kinda don't know what to do with absolute shit 'non-standard build' results.
Standard for B5 1x=33.24
Non-standard = 40
Non-standard using a standard build = 44.24
So, it's obviously better to still keep the non-standard build but it's, currently, always worse than the standard build

I don't want to be like "You must conform" but I also don't want people to get confused with multiple layers of colors and "This says this is best but this ALSO says it's best and my numbers don't match with that"

[undone yoke]

I have no idea what you're talking about

either a result is better or it's not

if there's a new better result, add it to sheet, and if a layout is outdone by something else on every FR reasonably within range, remove it

@proper bronze you're not confusing S/NS for standard/nonstandard when it means support / no support, are you...?

[proper bronze]

no

'Not standard' = "You didn't take fighters in L1"

[undone yoke]

🤷‍♂️ include "L1 corvette" in the header for the layout/results

[proper bronze]

So when you have builds that depend on 2 fighters so they get the +10 cost to everything

[undone yoke]

I don't understand where you're getting standard/not standard from

[proper bronze]

I just don't know where to put em. Leave em where they are? Treat em like they're entirely seperate paths from the other path

Standard = 90% of the spreadsheet that goes off having 2 fighters

[undone yoke]

if there's no matching one on the sheet you'd simply add them... though there's not much point when the result is worse than with a different L1 choice

[proper bronze]

Is it optimal everywhere? Hell no. Did almost everyone take that? Yes

[undone yoke]

K.I.S.S.

[proper bronze]

That'd be "Toss anything that doesn't have L1=fighters" that'd be the simpliest

[undone yoke]

huh?

[proper bronze]

Again, if I disregarded every setup that didn't have fighters it'd be simple

That's the point of K.I.S.S

L1 fights that is

[undone yoke]

why would you suddenly talk about removing anything that doesn't have l1=fighter

[proper bronze]

Because that's the "Simple" you suggested

[undone yoke]

no it's not?

where the hell did I say "just delete shit"

[proper bronze]

So the entire debate is to what to do when people don't take L1=fighters. You tell me to keep it simple. Simple would be tossing them entirely

Ignoring them makes it complicated

[undone yoke]

[6:39 PM]

include "L1 corvette" in the header for the layout/results

I don't understand what is confusing about this

[proper bronze]

The part where you tell me to keep it simple and then don't suggest anything that makes anything simplier. Just lable the mess.

[undone yoke]

dude are you okay?

what is the problem you're trying to solve here, I'm not getting it

[proper bronze]

Just annoyed at some guy who's telling me advice that doesn't help at all

[undone yoke]

you're suggesting nuking sheet results on no basis other than what L1 choice was made, instead of actually checking the results

[proper bronze]

To properly accomidate for L1=Frig/Corvette I'd need to triple everything, account for everything for best

[undone yoke]

that's grossly overcomplicating whatever problem you're trying to fix

[proper bronze]

And considering most people don't USE Frig/Corvette it's not really worth it.

[undone yoke]

so what you're really talking about here is you brute forcing the galaxy with every possible L1 choice?

[proper bronze]

My goal is to get a path for everyone that goes 1x-some reasonable y

so 1x-2.5x or 4.25x in some cases

If I have to do 1x-4.25 for fights AND corvetttes AND frigates. It'd take forever. If I just left random builds in the middle of things it'd make things messy.

So the question was "Do I leave it messy, move them, or what"

[undone yoke]

there's no reason to redo fights for every single fleet strength

it's obvious looking at various sheet results where the general breakpoints are for removing ships

[proper bronze]

So... Mark those places. Easy 🙂

[undone yoke]

huh?

[proper bronze]

You said it's super obvious. Mark them

Make things nice for other people

[undone yoke]

...

you want to mark the obvious information already on display on the sheet with the guide clearly explained on the first page of the sheet, to make it more obvious?

[proper bronze]

I'm done with this conversation

[undone yoke]

when there's also specifically already a practice in place to bold results that are currently known to be best at a certain FR (as in, the breakpoint)?

I also don't understand what makes a build "random",

like I already said and reposted for you - if there's a new better result, add it to sheet

if it has specific L1 or M1 or other node choices that deviate - denote that when you add the results for your new layout

there's no reason to brute force every fight with every fleet strength, and it's equally intuitable where changing light ship choice slightly (where you'd think about changing L1 choice, to conserve the FR) would make any potential difference

you shouldn't be considering anything on the basis of "conformity" or nuking others' sheet results on the basis of L1 choices or whatever the hell is going on

[undone yoke]

also sometimes the ship that never fires still soaks hits or adjusts the placement/behavior of the NPCs so that's not a clear-cut thing either, all that matters is whether the FR result is better or not

[charred tinsel]

hmm... I seem to be getting different results in G6 B29 compared to the spreadsheet, despite having the exact same stats (2.6 fleet stats), and the same setup for the most part (only difference being corvette charge laser instead of regular gun).

On top of that, sometimes I win with 58.62 resources used, and sometimes I lose. Not sure what's going on there, but I'll accept this small improvement, even though it's inconsistent.

[proper bronze]

the last patch subtly changed things regarding fighters, if that spot uses them

[charred tinsel]

it does use fighters, yes

[proper bronze]

Had to adjust various points in the spreadsheet where suddenly a previously perfectly viable build is now failing

[undone yoke]

I mean, a different weapon choice is often all it takes

there's a lot of results in there too where I found better results doing things like changing to/from railgun on fighter

(which I tried to denote accordingly)

[charred tinsel]

hmm... how do I denote this in the spreadsheet? Something like 58.62 with charge laser, may take several tries , perhaps?

[undone yoke]

for this I would pick a color, denote it on the first page, and describe it as "may need re-testing or have slightly different results owing to recent patch changes to fighter behavior", as opposed to manually brute force testing everything

[proper bronze]

That works., Nomi

[undone yoke]

what's the 'may take several tries' part for?

are you saying you re-used the same layout multiple times with different results? cause that would be a Sylv-attention thing imo

[charred tinsel]

yes. Exact same layout every time, with 2 different results

[undone yoke]

did you happen to ss them?

[charred tinsel]

no, but I can retry and screenshot them. What kind of screenshot are you looking for, the result screen or something else?

[proper bronze]

I've never gotten a different result even on places where people marked it such but enough people have mentioned it that I wouldn't discount it

[undone yoke]

just something to paste here and then @ Sylv and say "hey look at this when you get a chance"

[proper bronze]

and your ship loadouts

[undone yoke]

this was my experience as well

[charred tinsel]

ship loadout is the exact same for both of these different results

[undone yoke]

right, the thing is to show the different results with that same layout

[proper bronze]

Yup. Sylv would need to see them though

more info = better

[charred tinsel]

alright, gathering the screenshots... assuming the game cooperates

[undone yoke]

plus it would let others try replicating it in practice mode

[proper bronze]

My understanding is there may be a bug with remembered setups and placing them yourself

Assuming I understood Sylv

(may be fixed too)

[charred tinsel]

damn, the game isn't cooperating for the win though... but you can see in one of the screenshots that my previous best is 58.62

[proper bronze]

prior wins may still exist to confuse you. That number may no longer be obtainable 🙂

lot of clearing of advisors after the patch

[charred tinsel]

oh, I forgot an important detail... this is actually my first time beating B29, so when I enter it, my side is always empty

[proper bronze]

but yeah, your first run might act different from your second

that is important, so not the auto-placed bug

if that's even still a thing

[charred tinsel]

...wait, I got the win again, this time with beam lasers on heavy cruiser instead of regular gun. Let me test this for consistency

uuhhhh... I got another improvement

then I hit Retry and did the battle again, and got 58.62 instead

at least it's winning consistently

[undone yoke]

those are both with the layout you first showed, but with beams on HC?

[charred tinsel]

these last 2 screenshots? Same layout, same charge laser, only difference is beams on HC, yes

[undone yoke]

specifically both are with HC beam?

[charred tinsel]

yes

[undone yoke]

alright, I'll do the thing - @austere adder we got a case of inconsistent results with unchanged fleet composition

[charred tinsel]

For details, screenshots start up here: #1387177734215827549 message

Details:
Fleet stats: 2.6
Ship position: stays the same
Configurations:

• Cruiser: Armor + Damage Block
• Corvette: Charge Laser
• Fighter: Regular Weapon
• Heavy Cruiser: Beam Laser

[austere adder]

might be solved in an upcoming patch got something else like it solved. but can open a bug report with the specifics to be safe I spose

[charred tinsel]

alright, I'll make the report right away

[undone yoke]

will you be clearing advisors again with upcoming patches that change things?

[austere adder]

no

it wont change things

just fix the inconsistency so only whatever small number can encounter them will be "changed"

[undone yoke]

🤔

I suppose it should be a net reduced headache for sheet curation lol

[charred tinsel]

it's posted now

I added more details to the bug report that I think are relevant for figuring out what's going on. Basically, it seems that the order in which you deploy and move your ships can lead to inconsistent results

[austere adder]

oh wait what version are you on

[charred tinsel]

Version 0.63.4.2

[austere adder]

hmmm ok

[charred tinsel]

will add that detail to the bug report as well, before I forget

[mild oak]

either 3.025x is a magical sweet spot for some zones or the spreadsheet needs more optimization around this dmg, ive cleared multiple 3.2x with it

im updating as i go along

[light flax]

I wouldn't delete layouts that a only possible if you choose L1 corvette over L1 fighter because that's what I was using all the time, without checking discord on what's the optimal L1 choice.

I've done all my G6 with L1 corvette, as I found first B1-B5 being FR better with corvettes and sticked to them.
After clearing whole G6 I did change to fighters and benefitted about 5-10 FR for the whole clear.
But that's probably thanks to other L2-3 that had fighters that I was picking, so before reaching L2-3 the runs where I could have chosen L1 fighter over L2 corvettes would be cheaper too.
There were maybe 2 nodes that were better with L1 corvettes than L1 fighters.

[obtuse lagoon]

Hewo, finished it a whiiiillle ago, but noticed my fleet advisor entry is still very high, is there a way to see what those entries are ? So I can share them and help others ?

[austere adder]

they are already helping others automatically :P

[charred tinsel]

for some reason, I have a setup in B24 with results that I can't replicate in my current run, despite having the same stats compared to the previous run.

Past result: 53.4 resources used
Current result: 54.73 resources used

Ship configuration and fleet stats are the exact same in both runs. I didn't make a backup unfortunately.

Fleet stats: 2.7
Ship configuration:

• Fighters: Regular weapon, positions A1 and B3
• Heavy Cruiser: Beam Laser, B4
• Cruiser: Armor, B5
• Corvette: Charge Laser, Shield, A5

Edit: not sure if it's relevant, but before I got this current result today, I did an Auto to B25 (including B25), then checked the results of some battles and realized I could optimize them further with the pinned spreadsheet. So I undid everything and then did some battles manually when they could be optimized (or auto-complete them if they're already optimized), up to B24.

[charred tinsel]

oh hey, I found a oneshot setup for B33! I added it to the spreadsheet already

[proper bronze]

I'd love to see those builds in the spreadsheet! The issue is the ones I find are like "I'm good for 2.2x-2.4x" and there is nothing even close to linking nicely with them. If there were full alternate routes using L1 Corvette/Frigates it would be easy to just include them. Are people supposed to just follow the L1-Fighter route until they suddenly can do the other route for like 3 rounds and then go back to L1-Fighter?
Consider this a request to include more alternative builds if people find them.

[north raptor]

B42 - I have 3.15 attack and following the first image in the guide I am getting absolutely slaughtered. I have both the support and the hazard as per the guide. Is it possible that this fight has changed significantly? Anyone else done it recently?

Ignore me, I see the problem, I haven't cleared B41 which is adding a second Hazard

[north raptor]

Does anyone have a feel for the attack stat and fleet resources needed to clear D3 the first time? 2500 FR is having a total laugh!

[rich fossil]

need about 3000-3100 total FR iirc

[rich fossil]

also you shouldn't need to take L1 for your first d3

[rich fossil]

1: B1 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, B2 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2, R1 Level 1
2: S1 Level 1, F2 Unlocked, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, S2 Level 1, B11 Cleared
3: S1 Level 2, F3 Unlocked, B12 Cleared, R3 Level 1, R1 Level 2
4: S1 Level 3, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R1 Level 3
5: S2 Level 2, HF Level 1, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, R2 Level 3
6: B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, S3 Level 2, B18 Cleared, R3 Level 2, B19 Cleared
7: S1 Level 4, S1 Level 5
8: S2 Level 3, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2, R1 Level 4
9: S3 Level 3, B22 Cleared, B23 Cleared, R2 Level 4, R2 Level 5, R3 Level 3
10: BE Level 1, S4 Level 1, S4 Level 2, B24 Cleared, B25 Cleared, B27 Cleared, B28 Cleared, R4 Level 3
11: S2 Level 4, S3 Level 4
12: F4 Unlocked, S4 Level 3, B26 Cleared, BB2 Cleared, BB2 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R5 Level 2
13: S3 Level 5, B29 Cleared, R1 Level 5, R1 Level 6
14: S5 Level 1, F5 Unlocked, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, B33 Cleared, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2, R4 Level 4
15: S2 Level 5, B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, R2 Level 6, R3 Level 4
16: S5 Level 2, R2 Level 7, HP Level 1
17: R5 Level 3, R6 Level 3, R1 Level 7, R1 Level 8, R2 Level 8
18: R4 Level 5, R3 Level 5, R1 Level 9, R2 Level 9, B36 Cleared
19: S4 Level 4, F6 Unlocked, B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, R7 Level 1, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, B42 Cleared, R7 Level 2
20: F7 Unlocked, B43 Cleared, R5 Level 4, R6 Level 4, R4 Level 6, R3 Level 6
21: BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, R1 Level 10, R1 Level 11, R1 Level 12, R2 Level 10, R2 Level 11, R3 Level 7
22: S6 Level 1, R2 Level 12, R4 Level 7, R5 Level 5
23: R3 Level 8
24: R8 Level 1, R8 Level 2
25: R6 Level 5, R4 Level 8, R5 Level 6, R4 Level 9
26: S4 Level 5, S6 Level 2, F8 Unlocked
27: S5 Level 3, B44 Cleared, B45 Cleared, B46 Cleared, B46 Cleared, R7 Level 3
28: B46 Cleared, R8 Level 3

3.5 stats, 3316 FR, GF Lv0
B46 340 FR 3-shot 😦

[austere adder]

28 runs? Wtf

[rich fossil]

27 runs has to be doable with better scrap planning, but the last half of the galaxy is pretty much on rails so not much you can do there short of getting d3 open earlier

this might've helped somewhat

[hollow glacier]

340 FR 3-shot is not much higher than 900 FR 2-shot

only 120 FR

[rich fossil]

tbh the booster tiles are cool the first time but then they really limit what you can do layout-wise on reclears, so I definitely didn't mind skipping f5 straight away. I think the bb3 one is cool cos it's only one tile (so it doesn't railroad you) and it actually does something interesting

[rich fossil]

yeah especially at 3.5, unarmoured cruisers fuckin melt so you have to get creative with CLs for base damage. just a bit sad cos I got to b46 with 888 FR, so I was 🤏 this close to 27 runs lol

[north raptor]

LOL I am at run 52 and still working towards clearing D3/F8 so I can attempt B46.

[fickle flame]

get optimised lol

[north raptor]

working on it, only found this group and the spreadsheet after run ~35

[hollow glacier]

don't worry, I cleared b46 only at run 42, and I started at s124, while getting to s125 soon after

[charred tinsel]

...oh dear, I wasn't very good at optimizing G6. I cleared B46 on my 66th run. I think I started optimizing battles via the spreadsheet from run 45 onwards or something like that? I don't remember.

Another thing that didn't help was that I started G6 at a lower sector than the recommended one for like... a dozen runs or so? Again, I don't remember

[north raptor]

yeah I definitely started way too early (S122 from memory) but I was about to max out my 4 days of FR so it was use it or lose it.

[charred tinsel]

at least now I can just repeat the last run over and over again for the next ~3 days to get all the upgrades, and then reinforce

[fickle flame]

yo it shouldn't be 3 days

surely you have base renovations

[charred tinsel]

yes I have base renovations

from what I remember, I rushed the base renovation unlock from G6, then reinforced

[fickle flame]

🤔

3 days for artifacts seems really long

[austere adder]

are you forgetting you can repeat clear final node? :P

[charred tinsel]

I'm repeating the final node, yes. About 9k artifacts per run, with about 127k artifacts gained out of about 264k artifacts needed. 3 hours and 41 minutes per run, so about 6.5 runs per day. I'm out of fuel currently

and I don't think I'm missing any bonuses to fleet artifact gain. Copied from in-game stats:

Fleet Artifact Gain: 3.88
Base: 1

Flat Value Additions
5x Achievement: Galaxy All Artifacts: +0.5
2x Achievement: Unstable Transit Enjoyer: +0.05
Total Flat Value Bonus: 0.55
Stat Total: 1.55

Multiplicative Multipliers
Base: Alien Synth Renovation: x2.5
Total Multiplicative Bonus: 2.5
Stat Total: 3.88

[fickle flame]

🤔 oh wait isn't there a third unstable transit achievement for using g5 origin

that's something I guess

and the greatly increased fuel efficiency from clearing b46 means it shouldn't be super long

[charred tinsel]

you mean the z69 UT origin? That's from clearing B46 in G6

and I haven't done that third UT achievement yet

I'm also missing the 1.15x fuel efficiency upgrade from G6 unless I decide to reinforce right now

honestly though, I don't mind waiting for 3 days if it means not needing to reinforce again until the next content patch

[fickle flame]

true

[north raptor]

hooray!

[royal summit]

I finished G6 yesterday and today I'm sad. Galaxies are so much fun! G6 was a hoot

[gloomy wagon]

Wait for G7

Soon soon 👀

[drifting terrace]

can any one give me plz a setup for the final boss one B46

[hollow glacier]

did you check spreadsheet in pins?

[rapid aspen]

FYI, folks - people will try to convince you that astrium fuel efficiency is the best upgrade. Unless it affects the next galaxy, my interpretation is that the huge quantity of points required to max out Astrium can be used in other areas of the tree to huge effect. [Don't spend much on it unless you can]

Queue objections:

[hollow glacier]

fuel efficiency will save you around 1d or more on G6
if you're already at s125 max, to get the same effect you need s128

[rapid aspen]

Eh, it could save you a day on G6 but when it comes to gameplay, it's extremely valuable to max out a shard on the first reinforce that you encounter it (sometimes - depends on shard)

Also allows you to reach higher sectors with higher boosts on other parts of the game too

[hollow glacier]

if you don't want to save 1+ day on G6 - don't take fuel efficiency
if you want that - take fuel efficiency
case closed

[rapid aspen]

Eh, there are more factors than just fleet repeat

Particularly after G6

[hollow glacier]

no

if you want to have an argument, I would suggest making experiment with g6, with fuel efficiency reinforce after renovation and without
and check which one will end up here
this will give us more information

[rapid aspen]

Hmm. I wish I kept track of what sectors I was on on certain days. It would help me identify what sector I was able to reach before reinforcing

I'm sure you can suggest an easy way? (I have thought of using backup saves - may do that if really necessary)

Also it kinda feels like people are being over-guided to the G6 astrium fuel efficiency upgrade, to the point that you would miss out on many ranks of really cheap upgrades

[hollow glacier]

backup saves only

well, if you want to prove that it's a bad thing, you may try other things

I only have info on fuel efficiency

[rapid aspen]

I wish I could just see the original cost per rank/level/point in each upgrade from my current save

It would help

[rapid aspen]

If I get more concrete data, I will give it to you

[hollow glacier]

I've also seen suggestions to reinforce only after g3, instead of g2
all I can say is that I don't have info on that one either

[rapid aspen]

I found that reinforcing 1/3 of the way through the skill tree (not 1/3 of the artifacts needed to max it) seemed to give me a slight edge. BUT I would say that G6 is different, also G5, which is more easy to work out an optimal system for.

But for the earlier galaxies, getting a few cheap upgrades from the next G and only going 4/5 on the most expensive upgrades from the previous G works well

[hollow glacier]

if you want, you may create a guide on ultimate reinforce points

[rapid aspen]

Hehe. Well, that would be fascinating, but a mathematical nightmare

I take your point

[hollow glacier]

anyways, if someone has better data on fuel efficiency node without no fuel efficiency node, I will check it and maybe change pin and what I say about reinforces
before that, I would suggest b6 and fuel efficiency reinforces, because that makes most sense from position where I was in - s125+ and only caring about fastest galaxy finish

[rich fossil]

I don't think people are being over-steered toward the fuel bonus; the advice is generally "reinforce once you've bought the fuel bonus", not "ignore everything except the fuel bonus", and people usually grab other stuff anyway.

the only time you tunnel the fuel upgrade and nothing else is if you hit s126 before starting g6, because you'll progress through the galaxy too quickly for any intermediate reinforces to ever hit 127+ before it's time to reinforce again, even if you took a bunch of upgrades

[vagrant quest]

Finally beat G6 today (S125). Now I just need 15 to 20 more trips to max out the upgrades. Decided to reinforce to make use of the available upgrades while I wait.

[arctic latch]

i just realized this says repeatable..

i finished b46 11 runs ago 😭

[fickle flame]

rip

[vagrant quest]

Same in G5, at least when I completed it. I think I only did two extra runs before noticing it was repeatable.

[royal summit]

dude I did the same thing... I didn't realise they were until G6 🙂

well at least it made Galaxies last longer...

[fickle flame]

well, they weren't until G6

since that was changed with G6 release

[proper bronze]

I know I'm wishing for a good thing to be even better but it'd be nice if they also went up each time you selected them. like 1.05x each time. I'm already at the end of the content. Just let me be done that much faster.

[arctic latch]

G5 WAS REPEATABLE TOO??

im being gaslit i never did a single repeatable artifact in g5

[hollow glacier]

but only after g6 was released

so if you completed g5 before g6 release, it wasn't

[arctic latch]

ah ok that makes more sense

[proper bronze]

I love how I'll cap G6 before I get back to s125. 🙂

from the halfway point.

[stable path]

5000 artifacts per run after clearing the final base seems a bit low, right? Guess I should invest some more time into the base before pumping all my fuel into this

[undone yoke]

you're not yet another player who doesn't notice the last node is repeatable are you?

[dense lake]

I've got about 14 hours til I cap Astrium Fuel, I will probably hit S122 by then, but I don't see how I can get to S123 in that time. Will I be ok dumping fuel at S122 for the first segment of G6, or should just do a few runs while pushing to S123 before doing a fuel dump to push for Base 6 Renovation node?

[stable path]

That's with a ton of repeats on the last node

[undone yoke]

then probably just burning too much FR on the way

consult the pinned sheet

[hollow glacier]

very low
is your b6 renovated?
Usually artifacts start at 8-9k at least

[hollow glacier]

you can dump fuel to get down to 3 days, and see, how much it'll give you

[stable path]

No, b6 is only at 1.7ish mult

[hollow glacier]

well, that's your answer

renovate b6

it should be quite fast with b6 renovation node

[stable path]

I got that but still feels slowish. Only today got all but the last 4 slots unlocked too

[proper bronze]

b6 won't be capped if he's just starting that. You had to be EOC or near it for base 6 to be capped. I still haven't maxed warp or bought all the base 6 stuff

EOC before the patch that introduced G6

[hollow glacier]

well, if you have b6 renovation node

and reinforced for it as soon as you got it

you will be done with b6 faster than without it

[naive inlet]

I really want to kick someone in the teeth rn...

[fickle flame]

???

maybe they mean no hazard/support (?)

[hollow glacier]

or maybe "not railgun"

[naive inlet]

No
This whole column is a f***ing mess, this cell especially
Its less than 0.0005% of total FR you have at this point

Its literally 0.01FR diff someone was sure people need

[undone yoke]

a difference is a difference, why get irrationally emotional about it?

the layout recommending one thing and a better result happening with another thing, is worth mentioning

whole point of the sheet is finding optimizations

[naive inlet]

Dude really? 0.01FR?
plus as i had said this whole column is a nightmare
there are 5 obsolete cells in a row, the others are a mix obsolete/broken/working results
And... i actually thought it was pretty funny (<0.0005%) 😛

[naive inlet]

Is this it? Why mentioning 45.09 then
Just write 45.08 (fighter no gun)
I doubt 0.01 could be considered "optimization"

[undone yoke]

because it's multiple people submitting entries and overwriting/deleting other people's stuff should be done with consideration?

methodical iteration and foolproof testing is usually not what people are doing when contributing to the sheet

if you are willing to put in the time to check, verify, and help clean up the sheet, go for it, but don't get upset at others making contributions

[proper bronze]

I did... and I'm still not capped.

I have at least a week after finishing G6 to cap B6

for the first time

at least

[hollow glacier]

that sounds too long?

I mean, I may be wrong, but it sounds very much too long

[proper bronze]

Probably is. I was looking at the 1e15 parts nodes and assuming the inner parts nodes wee 1e16. They were 1e14. Regardless still 27+ hours

but regardless. G6 is easier to complete than B6

but you're correct in that if you reinforced to get the base node ASAP bases would indeed be done sooner

[hollow glacier]

just in case
you're using only 1-type build, right? only mats, or only parts?

[proper bronze]

1-type, yeah

Possibly wrong setup though but this is what I'm doing atm

[hollow glacier]

it is wrong setup

at least in one tile

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WxJEY5_taXlAU7kobcn6dEiOCWGtTHaKO1q_gON7I1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0

since you have only 1 7-tile slot here

your production is pretty much halved

[proper bronze]

eh, I updated it. I do save some time. But only about 2 hours. That's still 2 hours better so I'll take it

[light flax]

go back to green tiles then, it really speeds it up

[dense lake]

make sure your green layout is optimized.

[proper bronze]

my green is about 2 hours per levelup of either mats or parts. I don't think it's worth it currently

[naive inlet]

Is there a reason why people write s+ns in bb3 column?

[timber turret]

support+no support

works for both

[naive inlet]

so basically if you dont use support slot... it becomes just "ns"?
im trying to understand why is it specified

[timber turret]

If a setup says S it will work for only when you have the support active because otherwise you will be way too weak

[undone yoke]

because it's the layout to use if you are using support

and also for not-support

only NS being present implies it's not the layout to use with support

[bronze bear]

who would you guys expect to win b46, armor tanks or rail gun fighters

[fickle flame]

I'm not sure whether the fighters can out dps the bulwark regen

[covert birch]

if their set on sheild damage then maybe

[proven sluice]

quick question where do i unlock heavy cruiser i dunno if im missing something but i keep seeing it mentioned but i can't seem to see a fabricator for it on g6. do i have to finish the galaxy first to unlock it or something?

nvm just realised im in the wrong channel

[timber turret]

this is the correct channel

[green wolf]

he seems to be in G5

Probably talking about the Cruiser Printer or Armor Tank Foundry

[timber turret]

oh yeah

[bronze bear]

@fickle flame @covert birch the fighters are able to beat b46 and armor tanks cant lol, i was playing around with practice mode while bored waiting for stuff and just tried it out

(without supports or hazards they can both do it but fighters cant do it with just a hazard)

[fickle flame]

oh hey

[covert birch]

Lol

Wasps vs Bees

[naive inlet]

Is this the standard build?
EDIT: nvm, probably a typo, default cruiser was meant

[hollow glacier]

heavy cruiser

is heavy cruiser

5th type of ship

if you don't have heavy cruisers yet, you need to upgrade this node

[idle hawk]

Playing suboptimally, what annoys me in this galaxy are the constant 3-6 hour expenditures to level up nodes.

It would be more annoying if i decided to optimize every s node level up so by midgame i just stopped doing that entirely.

The opportunity cost did not feel good

[royal summit]

I disagree - I thought G6's balance of damage stats, fleet resources, and that starting node that lets you dump fleet resources, was brilliant. Meant you had to keep doing the math on what was more efficient every run, every node captured. Loved that 2.5k wall for the final BB fight buff

Same with the buff nodes throughout the map. Kept re-running the nodes before and after a stat boost against nodes with and without the buff to see if I could clear better. Very rewarding map

[crystal pagoda]

That is why some of my friends quit this game. As they put it to me, they don't want to have to spreadsheet out optimal play.

[soft birch]

That's why i let other people do it for me :P
(And then I added improvements to lik 9 fights anyway)

[royal summit]

that's the beauty of the game though. You don't need to be optimal, just let it run a little longer and you'll get there, or in this specific case, run a few repeats more

[idle hawk]

but that's the entire point

i was running a few repeats

and losing 3 hours just to fund a node twice

didn't make for engaging gameplay

i could probably do better and kill a few more battle nodes but i wanted the comfort

still

the opportunity cost of NOT optimizing hurt quite a bit

[royal summit]

yeah fair enough. Can't discredit you for not enjoying it if you're not enjoying it!

[idle hawk]

but i wasn't running optimize and redoing my runs

consequently it felt like node leveling overstayed its welcome

[royal summit]

interestingly, I just spotted this:

sounds like your voice is heard to some extent

[idle hawk]

the support nodes needing unlocks was fine

debris nodes costing a tremendous amount of resources was fine

actually i liked the debris nodes

it's just the stat nodes really

10 levels of 0.04

[royal summit]

yeah :/

I guess things just get exponentially more difficult to balance the bigger the galaxy

scaling becmes an issue

[idle hawk]

you could be pushing forwards or you could press repeat run, invest in the node for the related fleet scrap instead of having to auto, and then wait half a day to do it all over again

yeah

[royal summit]

hmm yeah you're giving me good flashbacks at some frustrating days now 😄

[crystal pagoda]

You say that, but as I said, those people quit because they felt that was needed to progress, and they didn't like it.

[royal summit]

I find it difficult to believe that numerous people you know would put 1000+ hours into this game then quit because of Galaxies, but weirder things have happened! If they truly did leave because of Galaxies, I sincerely hope they left some feedback. Would it be too troublesome to ask you if you'd ask your friends to leave feedback in #1084278056618823790 if they haven't already? They may be instrumental to changing the game and coming back 🙂

[crystal pagoda]

Did I say numerous? Did I say they put in thousands of hours? No, I said neither of those things. All I said is that some of my friends quit because it felt like needing spreadsheet math to play the game. It doesn't matter how long it takes to get to G6 or not as I was just stating an issue that people had with the game and it doesn't change over time.

[royal summit]

You're taking this a bit... heavily, mate. No offense meant. You did say plural+ people in your wording, and this is the G6 thread so it's a safe bet to assume that's what we're discussing...

to be at G6 I'd be surprised if there was < 1000 hours

[crystal pagoda]

I am not sure what your problem is, but I said some, and that in no way implies numerous, nor did I imply that they quit after G6. All I did was respond to someone who said that they didn't like to do all the math to get the optimal routes for the galaxy and let them know that they are not alone with that feeling.

At this point I would ask you to just drop it as the converstation didn't involve you in the first place

[royal summit]

Dude you need to seriously chill, no one here is looking for a fight. You've misread this situation entirely.

However you think I'm speaking these sentences in your mind, I can assure you, it is not in the negative tone you think it is

I just want to talk about the game I love with other people, that's all dude

[royal summit]

and I'm not sure what you're referring to here, you replied to me...

[austere adder]

I know what he meant there. the ffedbacks been shared dbefore no need to continue that line guys

[crystal pagoda]

As I have asked and now Slyv has asked please drop it.

And I don't appreciate you twisting my words

[royal summit]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-pirate-pirate-salute-salute-intergalactic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-25016099

[vast moat]

Is there an optimal layout available for G6/B46?

[hollow glacier]

yes

spreadsheet in pins

[vast moat]

In which channel? Can't find it

[royal summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EiFoOc3t8Z3ktjKKC7wzE5wEO3_cZsBTelcZpUTau9k/edit?usp=sharing

this one

[vast moat]

Thanks!

[royal summit]

np

[undone yoke]

so who's ready to inspect the sheet to try and figure out how many results were possibly impacted by that bug

😆

[hollow glacier]

it was golden skin

and it made them worse

so I'm almost sure we don't have any clears there

unless it's some b46 clear, that was only working because of golden skin, lol

but that's quite unlikely

[undone yoke]

with how many results that got worse with 'better' stats... I mean...

bit up in the air innit lol

[hollow glacier]

just need to check every screenshot

if it has golden cruiser - it maybe be bugged

if not - it's likely safe?

[austere adder]

its also positoning dependant, it was just spots where it triggered different targets for the guns or not. which probably isnt super rare butjust not gonna be EVERY single one

[proper bronze]

?? I was pinged by something in this channel. Yes?

[undone yoke]

check discord inbox? if nothing there someone might've ding dong ditched

[timber turret]

Alright so now that I'm officially done with g6, I just wanna say that was an amazing galaxy

The best one so far

[austere adder]

How often were you re-doing battles, super optimizy or just once every few?

[timber turret]

Just once every few runs, usually after I levelled up some S nodes 1 or 2 times

I really love how the layout intertwines with itself

With stuff like F7 and F8

[hollow glacier]

agree
not sure about "the best", since I don't remember galaxies earlier than g5
but overall it was great

[covert birch]

stinky

[timber turret]

what nodes am I missing??

[hollow glacier]

for some reason f1 f2 f3 and a9 are all "unfinished"

and GF obviously

no, okay, that's how they should look for some reason

ah, no
i realise, you're in galaxy

probably some node from other galaxy?

since here only GF looks unfinished

[timber turret]

I checked them all and its only GF in g5 and g6 missing

[hollow glacier]

strange
i have 304/303, and everything finished
it was 306/303 before some of the updates

[covert birch]

weird

I still find it so neat how the Hazards and Supports come in the direction of where their coming from in the galaxy.

[light flax]

I've re-run my galaxies all nodes and I also have 304/303 compared to 306/303 some time ago.

[timber turret]

yeah its really cool

Man I cant find those 3 nodes wtf

[hollow glacier]

show all galaxies?

[timber turret]

all out of galaxy

[hollow glacier]

g2 A4 for some reason is unchecked

G5 D2B

and G5 and G6 GF

[timber turret]

Ohhh yeah those post-final battle artifacts

those got added long after I was done with the galaxies

thanks

[hollow glacier]

I should also check mine, lol

[timber turret]

yeah that did it nice

[covert birch]

okay thats just satisfying

was just barely able to fight here

Juicy

optomizing has never felt so good

[gusty cobalt]

Is this a good setup? Heavy crusser is beam

[hollow glacier]

if it clears - it is

is this better than other setups? zero idea, need to check damage done and FR used

also 3.55 is not very usual power level

[gusty cobalt]

Its clear at 3.7

[fervent zinc]

😦 stop optimizing guys, my numbers are getting worse

[covert birch]

nuh uh

[untold bolt]

It's become an addiction

Got a bunch by discovering 2 new B43 boss builds which took the lead at every stat value:

[hollow glacier]

nice
we "just" need to pack it all into something more readable for general audience

[untold bolt]

If Sylv added a 10,000 point AI purchase that lets Advisor place the ships in the right spots, we wouldn't need to 😄

Perhaps something only available after beating the last galaxy, so you're not paying to win, just make it easier to start with the current best and try to improve on it

[hollow glacier]

at that point it's useless

[untold bolt]

Not if your goal is just to push the envelope (e.g. leaderboard endgame)

[hollow glacier]

if you're that dedicated

you'll just
solve advisor

it's kinda fun to do

[untold bolt]

It is yeah, some of them feel impossible though

[hollow glacier]

not a lot that I've seen, honestly

[untold bolt]

Hey maybe a "consumable" for purchase that you can spend to reveal a single advisor entry in full, so you use them sparingly, and have to spend AI to get more

[rich fossil]

I can say pretty confidently that I'd have set far fewer advisors if I was given the previous solutions for free

probably a couple hundred of the ones I set were completely different from the old advisors

[untold bolt]

In my case, I have a "tolerance" for how long I can try new builds. If I start with a high score, I might play around 20 minutes to try to find something better, but starting from nothing, if after 20 minutes I'm usually still pretty far from the best, I'll just shrug and say "eh, good enough"

But you're right, to stumble on a drastic new solution you usually need to go off and try something new

Lest you get stuck in a local minima

Makes me feel like we're all just part of some big, inefficient machine learning algorithm

[rich fossil]

yeah before the verify button I spent a few hours on the odd fight only to find out it wasn't legit in the first place lmao

[untold bolt]

oof, yeah I wonder how that happens. I find sometimes in practice mode the advisor gets mixed up and gives the best score for say a "boss-is-dead" run even though I'm running with the boss active

[rich fossil]

but yeah as frustrating as some fights are when you're trying to find a new high score, handing people the solution does nobody any good

it's a combination of small changes from older versions, weirdness with auto-resolve, and outright cheaters

there aren't too many cheaters thankfully but some of the AT + CL clears on like b4 and b10 or w/e just don't quite work anymore lol

[austere adder]

I still want some solution kinda but man just having advisor show all makes it 0 engagement

[untold bolt]

I wonder too if an optimal build calls for 3 x Fighters but on your run you only bought 2 x Fighters and 2 x something else, is the advisor clever enough to ignore that run for you? Splitting solutions by "Stat" seems to be a "solved problem", but with all the possible combinations of fabricator purchases, printer activations, supports, and hazards, perhaps the code is not quite segmenting all the solutions properly

[rich fossil]

yes, unless it happens to be the best clear even with an overdeploy and someone who picked the same L nodes as you also ran it

[untold bolt]

Yeah I can see that. Even just easy access to the pinned spreadsheet is probably putting some folks on auto-pilot. Our only saving grace is that the spreadsheet is pretty terse, and lazy folks hate reading the docs

[rich fossil]

it's two separate advisors though

[austere adder]

Ya spreadsheet is fine cause that's like an external "ok i just want answers let me go find them" which is actually relatively low frequency. Vs in game 1 button etc haha

[rich fossil]

that and the sheet isn't gonna just hand you the best solutions because it'd mean that whoever set them also had the time and inclination to spend several days uploading and captioning hundreds of screenshots

[untold bolt]

Making me question my life choices over here

[rich fossil]

if you're doing that then I'd give you genuine props, I just cbf lmao

plus I feel like a lot of fights I kinda phoned in for one reason or another (usually because "advisor is on the spreadsheet, cbf improving it")

[fickle flame]

faith in guide dawg

[chilly elm]

Am I blind or is there not a BB1 in the spreadsheet?

[soft birch]

last tab iirc

[chilly elm]

Found it, thanks! Already beat it, but found it! 😄

[chilly elm]

Starting this at <20 makes this super painful =/

Almost done though!

[subtle lagoon]

so I saw the recommendation to get the fuel efficiency node then reinforce after i'd already reinforced for crew supremacy.... from here does it make sense to do another reinforce? especially considering i've beaten g6 already. if so, what other upgrades are highest priority?

[hollow glacier]

you will need approximately 17 runs more to finish galaxy
reinforcing now will speed it up by 15%, to around 51 hour

at this point you can basically ignore reinforces and just wait 2-3 days

[subtle lagoon]

makes sense, thank you for doing that math for me

[opaque gyro]

who ever made this g6 doc in the sticky i love you 😄

[covert birch]

a lot of players input the data for the doc :>

moderators then cleaned up a lot of it

[hollow glacier]

I think it was not only mods

[opaque gyro]

than i love you all what can i say 😄

[soft birch]

I updated like 10 fights! (I helped, kind of, but not really)

[noble night]

is this outdated? I'm following one setup with bigger fleet dmg/hp and can't win

B14 I'm at 2x and it no worky 🙁

oh nvm I am dum dum

[hollow glacier]

it's not outdated

setups with not exactly your fleet strength aren't guaranteed to work

at all

even with lower strength sometimes do not work

[light flax]

I wonder how much has the best run improves to the ones people were finishing while the spreadsheet was most actively updated.

[hollow glacier]

without any evidence, I would call a few FR per every node

[noble night]

anyone else have this not working?

or is it just not supposed to be listed as 2.9x multi in the sheet? or am I being a dum dum again

[hollow glacier]

god damn

someone deleted image

[noble night]

KEKW

okay so I am not the dum dum

[hollow glacier]

like
wtf

[noble night]

ye I figured I just move to the image below

xD

[hollow glacier]

I restored image

https://lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com/sheetsz/AHOq17GlWivWoUknymhcuRNKA0j_O4VLX1C_XY0cTGSjdWt5SRr8Wxk1Ot0o2Qxts3WBRQdIX_2ArALkLNMe2xBToxpnTnWKBN-io0wUHP148K6-l3zjjhykfHjU1EBg-tCHExBsQdA?key=U9eZ8SWRqBzp7VNUvH2efQ

it's supposed to be that

[nova furnace]

a9 only 106 art WTF???

[hollow glacier]

yes, it's repeatable

[normal tide]

Once B46 is beaten, is it better to dump Fleet Resources into A9, or instead try and max out GF first?

[rich fossil]

a9 is better by far, unless you specifically want the achievement for finishing every node in every galaxy

[inner ridge]

Don't want to mess with the spreadsheet myself but here's an improved B10 S/H with base at 1.2

[inner ridge]

The NS B11 set up works for 1.2 stats as well

[inner ridge]

And a cheaper two shot on BB1 S/H with 1.4 and heavy cruiser unlocked

This set up on B12 S works with 1.4 as well

[astral sand]

due to how the latest update changed the S nodes to become +0.25 each, the pinned Google sheet could be shortened tremendously by removing all the impossible intervals

[shell lintel]

I'm getting 85.7 instead of 65.7 FR for B36 @ 3.5x, can someone confirm that's right? I'm using the loadout on F8

[hollow glacier]

I'm getting 65.7

you're getting 85.7, because you don't have SHC

Starting Heavy Cruiser

or you didn't choose heavy cruiser at M1

[shell lintel]

huh weird, I do have SHC, but maybe I forgot to pick M1

[hollow glacier]

probably

don't forget, that usually +20 means that you don't have one of the ships chosen

so you need to overdeploy

that's overdeploy cost

[shell lintel]

ah looks like I may have forgot M1

[compact stratus]

Is there a G6 config spreadsheet or something like for G5?

[hollow glacier]

check pins

[compact stratus]

Oh. I thought you couldn't do pins inside a thread. Nevermind then

[quaint cedar]

B1 Stats 1.0 - Advisor result(27.8)

what ships is best option from L1 node?

[hollow glacier]

the usual option is fighter

or corvette

frigates are useless mostly

rather
frigates after first one
only used in a few places

[quaint cedar]

is BB1 without F3 node a bad choice? 😄

why F2 and F3 are sooooo expensive

[wet seal]

all Fs cost the same

[astral sand]

look at the pinned spreadsheet. The last sheet has an analysis on when you can skip the F nodes, depending on your current Fleet Damage and Health

[wet seal]

if you check the pinned google spreadsheet's scores, you will find out approximately at which power level you should get rid of the F3

sigh...

I hate when this happens

pro-tip for the very end of G6 - when you've unlocked all dmg and FR upgrades except the artifacts, avoid using "Repeat last run" for the next run, and go through manually, thus charting the "True last run".
I made this mistake, I had been farming all the optional routes every run to maximize Scrap, but after I was done with that, I didn't think about it and kept "Repeating", thus wasting a lot of FR on Scrap that I didn't need/couldn't use anymore.

[quaint cedar]

B6 Stats 1.0 28.5

B7 Stats 1.0 59.42

[hollow glacier]

why don't you post them in spreadsheet?

[quaint cedar]

ok, ill do it

[quaint cedar]

anyone has layout for B8 1.5 stats? the one in spreadsheet is wrong, i believe its from 1.9 and higher stats

[hollow glacier]

let me restore b8 1.5

https://lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com/sheetsz/AHOq17H5wEAu_o5Gds0in9qngpH9LIORFaN3RJnnJ31VR842BvCDGTSpS-Osz0G2sct0OE7DcLrdX8oJVeQYK6ORhyXSNvpxdrBAD2FFWB5vCnyOtMdoCC55Rh2YhDP7UxKCoW36XxM?key=U9eZ8SWRqBzp7VNUvH2efQ

[quaint cedar]

with same setup im obliterated

[hollow glacier]

this should be the image

so try this setup
someone vandalized spreadsheet again, I guess

not neccessarily intentionally, but they did

[quaint cedar]

thanks.

[winged tinsel]

looks like someone also killed b9's 1.25 setup. 🙁

[quaint cedar]

hmm,it was there few hours ago, hope it wasnt me 😄

[hollow glacier]

kinda restored it

[winged tinsel]

Oh I think I found it. Somehow it's just randomly in cell D4 covering B4 layout.

[wet seal]

image wasn't inserted in cell properly

anyway, here's an eoc question - after I've completed all 303 fleet nodes, is there anything else to do in galaxies after that except farming for achievements?

[fickle flame]

n

o

[quaint cedar]

anyone here have layout for this setup ?(much better than in the file) stats 1.5

this is my layout, its best i could so far achiev, sadly still far away from result above

[quaint cedar]

here is a bit better result with small change in setup. when i get satysfing result im gonna add it to file, for now i have hope someone can help find better result 😄

[light flax]

if you are looking to find the position from the advisor, I see you are using those ships, but not their abilities, that will give you different results

[quaint cedar]

no. i just gave up and tried a bit different

in the begining i was looking with exactly same setup

[hollow glacier]

you mean, you want to repeat advisor but can't?

well, I cleared with that, but not target points
have like 2.5 FR left, instead of 10

this was much closer

startegy, probably, is to divide small ships and big ships

[quaint cedar]

yes, i tried to postion advisor's ship to get same result i failed, so i start to play a bit with armors/weapons and got better result than my previous best, but still worse than advisor 😄

im already much further but with next travel gonna check it and update file for next players

[hollow glacier]

just need to save 0.7 FR somehow

lol, I one-upped the advisor

and now my clear is new advisor

[quaint cedar]

😉

added to the file

how the heck this one is possible

[fickle flame]

validate, you say

[quaint cedar]

i did, it passed

[fickle flame]

looks doable tbh

[hollow glacier]

yes, looks might doable

but also on your screenshot I don't see power and sector

[hollow glacier]

this uses less resources

than advisor

but since I'm not in galaxy, I can't claim that one

it maybe can be optimized further

as I'm not in galaxy, I have +10 cost for overdeploying fighter

and since they all die, if I had starting fighter, it would be 71.96/80, which is better than advisor

kinda funny, how we broke 2 advisors today already

[quaint cedar]

❤️

[hollow glacier]

also, my carefully done b46 3.625 clears are absolutely useless now, since we go to either 3.5 or 3.75, and at 3.75 there're better two-shots than mine...

and both of them don't even work at 3.75x, iirc

only at 3.8, which is also unachievable

[fickle flame]

3.8 is unachievable?

[quaint cedar]

do you think you can beat b26 with these resources ?

[hollow glacier]

no, we go by increments of 0.25 now

1-1.25-1.5-1.75-2

basically half of the spreadsheet can be torn to pieces

[fickle flame]

I thought it was 0.2 huh

[hollow glacier]

@quaint cedar also, that explains why you have so many advisors in g5 probably
different power numbers

0.25 for g6

0.05 in g5

0.15 in g4

[quaint cedar]

its because i was focused on FR instead of Health and damage

while others go for health and damage

[hollow glacier]

maybe that too
but still, power numbers changed, I believe, so a lot of free ones