bb3 is dead and I was like "yay warp things" but I have not completed the warp tree 😦
#G6/z69-6
strong coral
hey, at least there's that 6x warp OD boost
fervent zinc
somehow I didnt think it took 600 FR to get to D3
prime ice
damn i thought i had a good layout then i look at spreadsheet and there's a better one there 😦
regal plover
what does P stand for in the spreadsheet?
prime ice
practice mode
south zodiac
somehow I didnt think it took 600 FR to get to D3
i had about 3050FR and ended up 2 short for D3
vague hound
B12 2.925x 43.97
regal plover
has anyone done B26 without the support?
strong coral
not me, at least not without spending overdelploying a bunch of cruisers
fervent zinc
dont think it's possible to do it without spending more than F4
strong coral
it's some very expensive scrap
someone is at 4.025 in the spreadsheet... that's just rubbing it in
prime ice
uhh it's not saving my result
i cleared b25 with 48.something and i look at the node and it says 52 with my old layout
austere adder
are you on latest 0.7?
fervent zinc
that shouldnt affect his personal result, no?
austere adder
if not, undo that -> save backup -> tyr agian to confirm -> if its still broken send me that bacup
austere adder
that shouldnt affect his personal result, no?
some versions werent overriding the results right
fervent zinc
ah
hollow glacier
not sure how helpful it is, but this is my best clear on B46
3.625 power
2 fighters and 1 Heavy Cruiser chosen
900 FR total with another clear #1387177734215827549 message
8872.26 damage on this one, 490 FR needed
prime ice
are you on latest 0.7?
lol i looked at playstore and there's an update that says "fixes fleet battle lost on undo"
welp time to redo this entire galaxy
swift maple
*is a moron*
I did the same thing, sorta
fleet surge
B21-30 +
subtle sparrow
sad D3 into F8 immediate completion seems quite unfeasible, just costs too much
fervent zinc
😦
cursive scarab
More lasor beamz
cursive scarab
And I tought my 150 was good
hollow glacier
And that's another clear in addition to this one on B46 #1387177734215827549 message
3.625 power
2 fighters and 1 Heavy Cruiser chosen
900 FR total
7160.97 damage, 410 FR needed
P.S. Apparently, for reasons, this specific clear duo only works at 3.625. If you have more power, it's worse.
#1387177734215827549 message
Here's link for 3.725 clear for 430, which works for two kills for 860 FR
atomic grotto
is this supposed to be attainable without maxing g6
you can leave out GF and like 3 S/R nodes
fickle flame
those are firing bars
fervent zinc
it was like that last time too, so probably
austere adder
ya, basically leaving all teh GF as optional completions to still get these
atomic grotto
o makes sense
fickle flame
has anyone done B26 without the support?
armor tank cruisers are the only things that exist for more than 10 seconds and they don't do very well against the swarmers without support
they are also expensive
fervent zinc
ez solution, get 100x stats and spam fighters
fickle flame
sorry, but stats cap at 4.25
fervent zinc
only if you dont try hard enough
fickle flame
🤨
fervent zinc
(if you arent cheating, you arent trying)
regal plover
Aleph with the exploits again 😛
fervent zinc
I would never!
regal plover
I might have to start doing fast suboptimal runs. this is too damn slow...
Run 1: B1 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B2 Cleared, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B6 Cleared, R2 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, B7 Cleared, S2 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R2 Level 2
Run 3: F3 Unlocked, S1 Level 2, B11 Cleared, R1 Level 1, R1 Level 2
Run 4: S1 Level 3, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R2 Level 3
Run 5: B12 Cleared, HF Level 1, S2 Level 2, B13 Cleared, R3 Level 1
Run 6: S1 Level 4, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, B17 Cleared, R1 Level 3, R3 Level 2
Run 7: S3 Level 1, S3 Level 2, B18 Cleared, B19 Cleared, R3 Level 3
Run 8: S1 Level 5, BE Level 1, R1 Level 4, R2 Level 4
Run 9: S2 Level 3, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2
Run 10: S3 Level 3, B22 Cleared, B23 Cleared, R2 Level 5, R4 Level 3, R1 Level 5
Run 11: S4 Level 1, B24 Cleared, F4 Unlocked, S4 Level 2
Run 12: S2 Level 4, B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, B27 Cleared, B28 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R1 Level 6, R2 Level 6
Run 13: S3 Level 4, BB2 Cleared, R5 Level 2
Run 14: S2 Level 5, B29 Cleared, R3 Level 4, R4 Level 4
g6 is too time intensive/we have too much fuel 😦
regal plover
at some point it's not worth it falling behind on reinforcing
and it's better to just do faster suboptimal runs
fervent zinc
😦
cursive scarab
Damn just got to the final fight, that's one hell of a grid
prime ice
dont you catch up anyways cuz of artifact farm at the end?
that's what it was like for the previous galaxies
fervent zinc
unfortunately that does not give you the seconds back that you spent optimizing fights 😦
fervent zinc
eventually you will too!
and then we can complain about not having 3100 FR to start with together
atomic grotto
i think it's about 60 runs to finish all artifacts
fervent zinc
lol I still have 10 runs of fuel left. Geeze
atomic grotto
although it's probably less than that if you finish scrap early
subtle sparrow
I honestly wish G6 costed more fuel
every day I come home and spend the entire day working on G6
fervent zinc
yeah 12-24 hours is a better goal for costs I think
regal plover
ok, did I get really lucky?
subtle sparrow
G6 is large (like G5) but it feels like there's so much optimization and routing to consider instead of "do I go top or bottom this time"
south zodiac
i enjoy G6 alot more than G5, because i didn´t have to do the "top or bottom way"
fervent zinc
I mean the answer was alway both anyway 😛 get that sweet scrap
subtle sparrow
G6 is really impressive with the amount of options to make, but man it's tiring to keep up with fuel
south zodiac
if i could start over again i would put more scrap into Resource Deposits than Shipyards, damage seems to only matter at certain thresholds
fickle flame
I'm still at all in on stats
regal plover
isn't it great that you have to decide whether you're fighting B26 before you hit B25 if you want to be optimal? ☹️
fervent zinc
gonna be a few runs of farming 3100+ FR in your near future lol
fervent zinc
god that's painful
south zodiac
isn't it great that you have to decide whether you're fighting B26 before you hi...
do you really have to? i feel like the difference between supported or not on B25 gets so low at 3+ damage i stopped bothering and only activate F4 for B26
fervent zinc
isn't it great that you have to decide whether you're fighting B26 before you hi...
if not farming every node for scrap, probably ignore it. BB2+B26+F4 makes the scrap kinda expensive anyway
but ya, it sucks that I'm at the end of a run going "oh I guess I do have enough FR to farm BB2... But I didnt grab F4"
fervent zinc
yeah but it's like 160+ FR to get it
south zodiac
and BB3 is cheaper to get if you can get it
fervent zinc
I guess now I'm just farming D3 until I get finish...
south zodiac
second D3 is still 625FR, so i´ll probably only attempt B46 the run after that
strong coral
BB2's FR to scrap ratio isn't great at all (when you factor in the cost to get to it), especially if you're just looking for something to use up those last few points
atomic grotto
hey does anyone remember the base costs
of r1/r2/r3
i have them maxed already
im setting up a thing to calculate scrap required
atomic grotto
ok 20
fervent zinc
cursive scarab
BB2 is 160 FR for 120 scrap for me, not that bad. And that's not counting the discount you get on B25 as well
strong coral
that's 0.75 scrap/FR, where BB1 is 1.8 scrap/FR and something like B42 is 2.1 or so
prime ice
d1/d2 are infinite scrap/fr 😛
strong coral
that's true, we are all swimming in undefined amounts of scrap on this blessed day
D3 wins that race though, 0 for 60 is very, very nice
atomic grotto
:|
more even than i expected tbh
kind of flawed calculations because after you finish running for scrap you'd just stop doing full runs
fervent zinc
does that mean I should do more scrap runs or less scrap runs?
strong coral
you've got more FR than i do, which means you're already ahead on FR nodes and you won't need much of that scrap for long
atomic grotto
current R nodes
maxed R nodes
so that's still a significant boost to artifacts, maxing R
strong coral
ignoring all the other A nodes, i need 1717 693 A6s to finish
whoop, i forget the multiplier like a fool, number not so big after all
atomic grotto
ok, so for the correct "full runs until max, then do arti runs"
fervent zinc
I should go optimize my early battles... but I don't want to 😦
atomic grotto
it's ~16 runs to max scrap (rounding down because i'm also not accounting for incremental gains from leveling S6), which gives me another 193k artifacts, and from there it's 5 runs to max artis (4.7, not reasonable to round down from incremental gains from leveling R nodes)
fickle flame
and BB3 is cheaper to get if you can get it
really?
it's less scrap too though
nvm that was fixed
fickle flame
I guess it's only two extra nodes
atomic grotto
the average efficiency of f4-b26-bb2 is 0.871 (f4 is ~83 extra scrap, not 100, since it also makes b25 cheaper)
the average efficiency of specifically bb3 is 1.317
39+bb3 is 1.138
actually lemme see if b26 is reasonable without support lol
strong coral
it isn't
atomic grotto
signs point to never
fickle flame
actually lemme see if b26 is reasonable without support lol
no
atomic grotto
well actually maybe it is at 3.9ish
fickle flame
even at max stats you need like 4 cruisers
fickle flame
even if b26 is beatable without support, F4 still helps a little on bb2 and b25
cursive scarab
38 runs to clear G6, that went quicker than expected
atomic grotto
bb2 is cheap to do supportless
it's just b26 that makes the entire venture unfeasible
strong coral
it's the only node with consistent degen, which also means it's the only node that really requires a second cruiser pick to make efficient... but then you're losing out on all the others
fickle flame
currently I've got 150 scrap leftover and debating whether to put it into the 1200 cost S5 or R1 or R2 which only cost 160
screw it, all in stats
atomic grotto
on second thought i don't want to sit in g6 for another 12 hours before my proper reinforce
swift maple
at some point it's not worth it falling behind on reinforcing
Just don't fall behind 😭
atomic grotto
arti runs it is
swift maple
on second thought i don't want to sit in g6 for another 12 hours before my prope...
Hmmmm?
atomic grotto
doing scrap runs vs arti runs
swift maple
Oh, duh
swift maple
but ya, it sucks that I'm at the end of a run going "oh I guess I do have enough...
Then grab F4 and run BB2
fervent zinc
And that's another clear in addition to this one on B46 https://discord.com/chan...
this layout bothers me so much. Why does putting anything in B1 result in a much worse result?!? 😦
fervent zinc
Then grab F4 and run BB2
then I've wasted FR in B25, which was what Luna was saying
hollow glacier
this layout bothers me so much. Why does putting anything in B1 result in a much...
that depends on your definition of "worse"
I just had 900 FR left to clear B46
and my first clear was 490 FR
swift maple
Is there a 1 shot build or is it impossible to do so
hollow glacier
so I needed to find 410 FR clear
fervent zinc
my definition of worse is does less damage to the boss lol
swift maple
Just targeting shenanigans likely
hollow glacier
and I did found 410 FR clear, which was
well, what you saw
that's not about B1 btw, it's just trying to save as much FR as I can
hollow glacier
Yeah it's straight impossible to 1 shot
you do have 3.6 or more power, right?
swift maple
3.625x
hollow glacier
you can clear at 3.625 with 900 FR with what I showed earlier
but you have 899 FR
hollow glacier
what run are you on sanctum
killed on run 42, currently on run 43 getting artifacts
fickle flame
Is there a 1 shot build or is it impossible to do so
just impossible
atomic grotto
neat
swift maple
you can clear at 3.625 with 900 FR with what I showed earlier
but you have 899 F...
I can prob save FR somewhere
But yeah not gonna micromanage that hard
I'll just wake up tomorrow or wait the 4.5 hours
Or timeskip
atomic grotto
yeah i think if i opti'd b46 better it could've been a run 28 clear or so, wasn't sure if 3.625 was possible to 2 shot while being below 1000 fr so i played it safer
hollow glacier
it was hard to get 410 clear already(
hollow glacier
yeah i think if i opti'd b46 better it could've been a run 28 clear or so, wasn'...
damn, much less runs than me
swift maple
you can clear at 3.625 with 900 FR with what I showed earlier
but you have 899 F...
Yeah I meant 1 shot, not 2 entries, but no worries
atomic grotto
my actual kill was run 31 at 3.725
hollow glacier
still, 11 runs difference
swift maple
I'm at 36, decently efficient?
hollow glacier
I mean with Solanaceae
atomic grotto
i probably spent like 10 hours just opti'ing the earlier battles
fickle flame
cue the 'holy shit you are fast' at beating g6
swift maple
The sheet helped a TON
You guys rock
Thanks for the optimizers that did the battles for me
atomic grotto
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1isMhMeoTuihf5OIX6rmwQ0G6vwIAQSO1lGIPw4gfclk/edit?gid=1291123235#gid=1291123235
my current FR usages are here too
hollow glacier
funnily enough, I'm almost sure that my 410 battle is in advisor now for 3.625
For 2 heavy cruisers and 3 fighters
atomic grotto
if people notice any big discrepancies between me and the sheet, i think i did the really big ones that were 20+ FR but could've missed some
i don't actually know how advisor works for battles where progress is retained on an enemy
i kind of figured it only kicked in after the enemy died
swift maple
funnily enough, I'm almost sure that my 410 battle is in advisor now for 3.625
F...
Hmmmm, do I undo and double clear
Wait, you can't 410 twice, right?
atomic grotto
410+490
swift maple
Yeah no
hollow glacier
zero idea too, but when I asked advisor, it showed me exact number and type of ships I had in 410
atomic grotto
nice
hollow glacier
theoretically you can shave 490 clear a little
since 410 is very efficient on FR
I'm just not sure how exactly
atomic grotto
im just sitting here in s127 on my fresh reinforce now
im supposed to not spend fuel until i climb to like 129 for the efficiency...
atomic grotto
i passed out for 11 hours after reinforcing
swift maple
RIP
atomic grotto
so yeah more like 8 hours of meaningful base progress
swift maple
Ok where's the 410/490
atomic grotto
i don't even remember if i had an autobuy on
hollow glacier
#1387177734215827549 message
swift maple
Discord can't search the thread
hollow glacier
they have links to each other
theoretically you can shave b1 fighter from 490 and it will be enough? not sure though
swift maple
No the fighters are absolutely necessary
Do I want to rerun the galaxy to save 0.56 FR LOL
I tried to shave the frigate but you only get 6.6K damage then
hollow glacier
you can replace 1 fighter with frigate, iirc, but that ends up with same FR(
swift maple
If I can find a slightly more efficient battle somewhere I can do it
hollow glacier
it's also funny, that corvettes with CL are only good on one side for whatever reason
on other side they don't kill both snipers
hollow glacier
great, now you can clear B46
swift maple
And that's another clear in addition to this one on B46 https://discord.com/chan...
Unpin if necessary IDK nor care
fervent zinc
b46 is annoying 😦
hollow glacier
I will check later if I can shave 490 clear, instead of 410 clear
since 410 clear ended up so effective somehow
fervent zinc
I finally got something better than your 410 clear. Slightly.
hollow glacier
how much damage and FR used?
swift maple
Oh?
fervent zinc
430 FR for 7600 dmg @ 3.725 (so I cheated and got +.1 damage too lol)
it's an 860 clear at least, I guess
swift maple
GG thx Sanctum
swift maple
430 FR for 7600 dmg @ 3.725 (so I cheated and got +.1 damage too lol)
But it's 430? I thought you were comparing directly to 410 at the same stats?
swift maple
Yeah yeah I'm referring to this
I finally got something better than your 410 clear. Slightly.
hollow glacier
using fighter at the middle is actually
quite interesting
when I'll work on 490 one, to make it slightly lower, I may look at it
fervent zinc
yeah I realized I had enough scrap to get 3.7 before the fight, so I went back and got it and then the 410 was only giving me 5k damage lol
hollow glacier
yeah I realized I had enough scrap to get 3.7 before the fight, so I went back a...
lol
that's
that's kinda stupid
swift maple
Ah, RIP
fervent zinc
b46 is a very dumb fight in that way 😦
absolutely no changes I make result in a predictable outcome
oh you changed that teleporting corvette to a fighter? Your front line just got destroyed
fickle flame
confusion
hollow glacier
430 FR for 7600 dmg @ 3.725 (so I cheated and got +.1 damage too lol)
also
at 3.725
this is kill in two clears
for 860
fervent zinc
ya
hollow glacier
since b46 have 15k
fervent zinc
I might call it here. That was too much tinkering
if I had grabbed m1 cruiser instead of heavy, it would be cheaper 😛
oh wait, no I'm dumb. I have 4 of each. so it'd be the same
fickle flame
anyone work out yes/no for F6 skip?
hollow glacier
okay, no, I'm not sure how to shave 490 one, lol
it's probably possible, but idk how to do it for now
modern shale
Silly question with the G6 Supremecy upgrade, will that lock me out of crew level acheivments?
fervent zinc
b46 is gonna suck for spreadsheet, every stat is going to require its own clear lol
hollow glacier
I think only like
3.625, 3.725 and maybe 3.825 clears are needed
since at lower than 3.6 it's impossible
and if you're higher than 3.7, you probably wasted a lot of scrap on S nodes and not a lot of on R nodes
and 0.025 is because you're almost inevitably will get GF level 1
but if not... okay, having 3.6, 3.625, 3.7, 3.725 will be wild already
swift maple
Silly question with the G6 Supremecy upgrade, will that lock me out of crew leve...
How... do you not have them?
We're talking about these? Literally prestige and print 6, go until you stop overkilling, then prestige and do it again
undone yoke
do I take F3 from here? at 2.3 fleet dam/hp
undone yoke
How... do you not have them?
I had to deliberately farm a bit for mine, it helped having sleeves at like 8s each 🤷♂️ the button to buy mastery points in 1 press sidesteps this achievement
swift maple
Oh, OOF
@austere adder Might want to fix this, if possible? You can somehow get perma-hardlocked out of crew level achievements
austere adder
its cause bulk buy didnt count, it does now
modern shale
But now that I have the supremecy G6 upgrade I can't even go back
fervent zinc
😢
modern shale
Not that it matters except for the steam achievement which is how I noticed 😭
fervent zinc
Run 1: B1 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B2 Cleared, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R2 Level 1, R1 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, S2 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R1 Level 2
Run 3: S1 Level 2, F3 Unlocked, B11 Cleared, R2 Level 2
Run 4: B12 Cleared, HF Level 1, R3 Level 1, R3 Level 2, R1 Level 3
Run 5: S1 Level 3, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R2 Level 3
Run 6: S2 Level 2, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, R2 Level 4
Run 7: B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, S3 Level 2, R1 Level 4
Run 8: B18 Cleared, R3 Level 3, R1 Level 5, R2 Level 5
Run 9: S1 Level 4, B19 Cleared, BE Level 1, R3 Level 4
Run 10: S3 Level 3, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, B23 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2, R2 Level 6
Run 11: S1 Level 5, B22 Cleared, S4 Level 1, B24 Cleared, R4 Level 3
Run 12: S4 Level 2, F4 Unlocked, R2 Level 7
Run 13: B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R5 Level 2, B27 Cleared, B28 Cleared, R1 Level 6, R5 Level 3
Run 14: BB2 Cleared, R4 Level 4, R4 Level 5, R3 Level 5
Run 15: S2 Level 3, B29 Cleared, S5 Level 1, R1 Level 7
Run 16: S2 Level 4, S3 Level 4, R1 Level 8, F5 Unlocked
Run 17: R2 Level 8, R2 Level 9, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2, R2 Level 10
Run 18: S2 Level 5, B33 Cleared, R1 Level 9, R6 Level 3
Run 19: S4 Level 3, B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, R5 Level 4, R4 Level 6
Run 20: GF Level 1, S3 Level 5, HP Level 1, R6 Level 4
Run 21: S4 Level 4, B36 Cleared, F6 Unlocked, B37 Cleared
Run 22: S5 Level 2, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, R7 Level 1, B42 Cleared, R7 Level 2, R3 Level 6
Run 23: S4 Level 5, BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, R1 Level 10
Run 24: F7 Unlocked, S6 Level 1, R5 Level 5, R1 Level 11
Run 25: S5 Level 3, B43 Cleared, R6 Level 5, R4 Level 7
Run 26: R2 Level 11, R2 Level 12, R3 Level 7, R1 Level 12, R5 Level 6
Run 27: R8 Level 1
Run 28: S5 Level 4
Run 29: S6 Level 2
Run 30: F8 Unlocked, S5 Level 5, B44 Cleared, B45 Cleared, B46 Cleared
Run 31: B46 Clear
well there we go, 31 runs to clear b46
now I... have to go back and optimize every fight a final time
austere adder
man, ok G7 gonna aim for 200 to clear so that it turns out to be like 100
fervent zinc
it's gonna be a lot of runs to max artifcats 😦
also g6 is too big 😦
make g7+g8 instead of just g7
man I definitely phoned in those last 6+ runs. I just wanted to be done
atomic grotto
50 nickels
fickle flame
wtf-
atomic grotto
this one i spent 15 minutes on too before getting nickeled
fickle flame
man, ok G7 gonna aim for 200 to clear so that it turns out to be like 100
lol we are getting +33.1% FR too
atomic grotto
"ok i can use a fighter to draw the first volley of the armored medium so cruiser can take it out, while still taking enough swarmer fire for the missile frigates to finish everything off"
36
nickel: 34
hollow island
FR inflation issue
fervent zinc
nickel: 34
just post all your final clears so I can steal them and not have to do it myself 😦
atomic grotto
go get nickeled by the advisor for the proper gameplay experience
fervent zinc
nooooooooooooo
it's also annoying going into practice mode to see the FR, then back into real mode to do the fight
atomic grotto
why don't you just do the real fight in practice mode too, and then just take a screenshot when you back out
you have to put one on the sheet anyway
unless...you don't pass it on...
atomic grotto
nobody uses l1 corvette
austere adder
thats so weird that top is so often good lol
I mean, grouped on one side make s sense, so you dont ahve ships shooting the whole time and they have to close in from enemy side
but beingaalso the default ordering of ships is hilarious
fervent zinc
you have to put one on the sheet anyway
no u
atomic grotto
smh get outta here sheet leech
fickle flame
nobody uses l1 corvette
nobody except me :"(
fervent zinc
I'm just going to take credit for every shot that is gold/red ships. Those are all mine
atomic grotto
never broke 200 smh
although i easily could if just threw away a run to do it at various levels of GF
but that's lame
atomic grotto
cuz leveling gf is still bad at this point
costs me artifacts at the end
i mean i could undo it yeah
that's like double lame
austere adder
huh, did I not make that one part clear
fickle flame
is that better or worse
fervent zinc
but I can't autorun practice mode
atomic grotto
it seems to only submit if i click one of the accepts at the end
fervent zinc
if I leveled GF, I could autorun
atomic grotto
i've abandoned practice to undo and resubmit my proper run and advisor still didn't update until after the proper one
austere adder
would it be fun to hold some like re-progress contest or something for earlier galaxies to fill those out?
Officializing anything into a contest kinda takes some of the fun out of it I think but getting those filled out would be noice
atomic grotto
did you have to wipe them at some point? i thought the first 3 ended up decently optimized too
austere adder
all was wiped this main patch
atomic grotto
ahh
austere adder
due to the no x2 but the outcomes actually changed subtly all over
fervent zinc
<.< but they'll just get wiped again
austere adder
nah we should be stable now. nothing else on list of fixing that would make it big
atomic grotto
that sounds kind of fun then
hollow glacier
nah we should be stable now. nothing else on list of fixing that would make it ...
well
topside favoritism exists
undone yoke
do I take F3 from here? at 2.3 fleet dam/hp
anybody weigh in on this?
atomic grotto
i don't think top/bottom is really fixable
fervent zinc
hwo???? 😦 I'm already failing at this in b1
fickle flame
anybody weigh in on this?
pin
fervent zinc
... I tried that layout. I know I tried that layout. Why is it suddenly working...
fickle flame
aleph confused
undone yoke
pin
ik the pin but it's not clear about partial coverage, like, I've been skipping f3 situationally a lot while clearing be/b21/b22
and not always burning FR on b11/bb1
fickle flame
according to the tests done it doesn't actually matter
hollow glacier
I basically stopped taking F3 when I'm not going for BB1
undone yoke
so if just doing b21/b23 you'd skip?
hollow glacier
I always do that, yes
you know, on the theme of advisors too
imagine trying to decode b46 from advisor
where 1 incorrectly placed ship result in wildly different damage
when Aleph took +0.1 S, and suddenly for whatever reason it's much worse
fervent zinc
B46 is a nightmare to optimize. I'm not doing it
it took so much tinkering to find my final layout, and it's inexplicably 50% better than the layout I tried right before it 😦
mellow siren
Run 43 was my B46 clear
austere adder
I dunno what makes top side better
hollow glacier
run 42
first 4.5 days of fuel and then 8 timeskips (until fuel eff) were on s125, then s126 FR
so around... 20 first clears, or maybe more, were on s125 FR, since 1 timeskip was always 1 run or a little more
austere adder
it always being better seems odd, like it will tweak targetting a tiny bit maybe, or what shoots what of your ships
but why is it always better O.o
fervent zinc
do not try to understand the monster you created
fervent zinc
oh wait that's impossible.
fickle flame
what's that
fickle flame
but why is it always better O.o
it's not always
fervent zinc
or.. am I reading it backwards again...
austere adder
oh ok
hollow glacier
oh wait that's impossible.
isn't that (used/total)?
so very possible
fervent zinc
ya, backwards
undone yoke
I mean I have noticed that when it's a symmetrical layout on both sides the enemy side never splits symmetrically
most noticable with fighters
fickle flame
yeah when you have fighters in the middle, 6 go up and 3 go down
fervent zinc
that's because it's not symetric, everything prefers up. You should imagine the center line is just below what you're imagining now
atomic grotto
i have to keep optimizing this one sadly
because lower FR ones are below this, but still
hollow glacier
we just need middle 3 fighters to spin at one place until enemy arrives, confused where to go
same for armored cruisers
atomic grotto
sad
hollow glacier
it's funny, how even though I haven't optimised my runs a lot, I still have quite high number of advisor entries
hollow glacier
at least I know it's not mine, since I almost never use armored frigates
fervent zinc
maybe
undone yoke
I feel like the advisor is sometimes tripping and not saving the right ship equipment options
undone yoke
maybe
that did it, what the heck
and it is actually even better without beams 
how though
hollow island
command ship carriers
hollow glacier
right, I need to optimise some nodes, armed with the knowledge that beams aren't always the best
fervent zinc
is B9 your fault too @atomic grotto ??
swift maple
command ship carriers
You kill those slowly...
fervent zinc
very slowly
hollow glacier
I feel like we need some way to use battle simulation without entering galaxy
atomic grotto
yeah but isn't b9 pretty easy
just 2 ships
woah
after like 7 months
i finally see a gigaveil
there goes my combat amp
hollow island
ive never seen one
fervent zinc
ugh. I had 35.41 😦
oddly enough, the fewer ships there are the harder time I seem to have finding the optimum layout
fervent zinc
I dunno what makes top side better
plenty of layouts in the spreadsheet are hugging bottom corner, too
I got 21.27 😢
sola got bb1?
swift maple
The FUCK
- Fixed inconsistent Fleet battle result with specific skins
I KNEW Spaceversary was bad
fervent zinc
that's slander
swift maple
It cannot be slander
Slander requires falsehood
Truth is an absolute defense against slander
fervent zinc
yes, I'm saying it's false
swift maple
You are false
fervent zinc
rarely
swift maple
But this time, certainly
fervent zinc
I thought I found b8's 18.44... but my screenshot is wrong? and 😦
fickle flame
I KNEW Spaceversary was bad
it's actually Advanced which is bad
austere adder
was
fervent zinc
it's still bad, just not for numeric reasons
swift maple
it's actually Advanced which *is* bad
Wait what
LOL
NOOOOOO
I had a disadvantage
Rekt
I DEMAND A RECOUNT
SYLV REFUND ALL MY ASTRIUM FUEL AND I WANT A GALAXY REFRESH
fervent zinc
SYLV VARIATIONS!!
of course now it's gonna pretend like it never varied
I think this is a plot by sylv to make me think I'm crazy
swift maple
Alright what's the efficient B46 no base clear
Oh I should use the sheet and scroll down
Galaxy brain over here
austere adder
wellit could be better too, just depend son if splitting the turrets out occurs or not based on spacing/timing ><
slow aurora
After clearing BB3, should I work on farming scrap for increasing resource deposits or shipyards, or would it be better to focus on pushing new nodes? I'm at 2828 resources, 3.525 D/H, and have up to B40 cleared so far
sharp thorn
I cleared b46 at 3.625 and maybe 3500 resources so it sounds like you can push while building the R nodes
sharp thorn
it's actually Advanced which *is* bad
where's future turkey on the tier list?
slow aurora
Thanks, I'll try that route then. Saves time on tuning after every upgrade 😄
regal plover
somehow I still have over 3.5 days of fuel despite doing a couple of runs today lol
fickle flame
somehow I still have like 2 days of fuel too lol
regal plover
has anyone run their fuel down to the red using g6 runs only? lol
fuel efficiency may be overrated it seems
acoustic jetty
you can spam repeat run any time
hollow island
red
fickle flame
speed
regal plover
you can spam repeat run any time
but that's so bad when you could have gotten farther the next run 😆
by quite a lot sometimes
regal plover
ok what does your g6 history look like? just how inefficient did you have to go to run down all your fuel? or did you just play for many hours actively?
sharp thorn
ok what does your g6 history look like? just how inefficient did you have to go ...
Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-3
Run 1: B1 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B2 Cleared, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R2 Level 1, R1 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, S2 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R1 Level 2
Run 3: S1 Level 2, F3 Unlocked, B11 Cleared, R2 Level 2
Run 4: S1 Level 3, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R2 Level 3
Run 5: B12 Cleared, HF Level 1, R3 Level 1, R3 Level 2, R1 Level 3
Run 6: S2 Level 2, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, R3 Level 3
Run 7: B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, S3 Level 2, R1 Level 4
Run 8: B18 Cleared, B19 Cleared, R2 Level 4, R1 Level 5, R1 Level 6
Run 9: S1 Level 4, BE Level 1, R2 Level 5, R2 Level 6
Run 10: S1 Level 5, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2, R4 Level 3
Run 11: S2 Level 3, B22 Cleared, F7 Unlocked, R3 Level 4
Run 12: B23 Cleared, S4 Level 1, B24 Cleared, F4 Unlocked, R2 Level 7, R4 Level 4
Run 13: S4 Level 2, B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, R5 Level 1, BB2 Cleared, R5 Level 2
Run 14: S2 Level 4, BB2 Cleared, B27 Cleared, S3 Level 3
Run 15: S2 Level 5, B28 Cleared, R3 Level 5, R2 Level 8
Run 16: S3 Level 4, B29 Cleared, F5 Unlocked, R2 Level 9
Run 17: S5 Level 1, B30 Cleared, R5 Level 3, R1 Level 7
Run 18: S4 Level 3, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, B33 Cleared, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2, GF Level 1
Run 19: S5 Level 2, R6 Level 3
Run 20: R1 Level 8, R1 Level 9, R1 Level 10, R4 Level 5, R5 Level 4
Run 21: B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, HP Level 1, S6 Level 1, R2 Level 10
Run 22: B36 Cleared, F6 Unlocked, S3 Level 5, R6 Level 4
Run 23: B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, B42 Cleared, R7 Level 1, R7 Level 2, R3 Level 6, R1 Level 11, R2 Level 11
Run 24: BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, R4 Level 6, R4 Level 7, R3 Level 7, R3 Level 8
Run 25: B43 Cleared, S4 Level 4, S4 Level 5
Run 26: R5 Level 5, R6 Level 5, R1 Level 12, R4 Level 8
Run 27: R8 Level 1
Run 28: F8 Unlocked, R8 Level 2, R2 Level 12
Run 29: S6 Level 2
Run 30: S5 Level 3, B44 Cleared, B45 Cleared, S5 Level 4
Run 31: B46 Cleared, R8 Level 3
Run 32: B46 Cleared, S5 Level 5
Run 33: S6 Level 3, R3 Level 9
Run 34: R7 Level 3, R6 Level 6, R5 Level 6
Run 35: R3 Level 10, R4 Level 9, R6 Level 7, R5 Level 7
Run 36: R4 Level 10, R4 Level 11, R3 Level 11
Run 37: S6 Level 4, R3 Level 12
Run 38: R4 Level 12
Run 39: S6 Level 5, R7 Level 4
run 32 clear
acoustic jetty
B35 is busting my balls
sharp thorn
spoiler for G7
acoustic jetty
current strat
3.025x- 64.76 FR
3.125x- 64.22 FR
3.225x- literally die
best new strat so far on 3.225 is 67.5 FR
regal plover
I may be overoptimizing g6 🤔
acoustic jetty
i prefer to call it having fun playing g6
regal plover
and also not playing actively enough, but not much to do about that
sharp thorn
you also started late from what i could tell
regal plover
by like 1 day
atomic grotto
wow people really fucked up the b41-46 tab huh
regal plover
not that long
acoustic jetty
broke down and look at advisor, it says there's a 62.49 with these ships 👿
atomic grotto
fixed the zooms but there's like 2 clears lost to the void
regal plover
dig through the edit history
sharp thorn
which one are you missing
fervent zinc
what's missing?
atomic grotto
anyway i came here to ask if people opti'd the b43-b46 chain on art runs yet
sharp thorn
what's the stage
atomic grotto
or do i have to opti with all 2 real L2 choices
atomic grotto
what's the stage
42
acoustic jetty
that image has the layout in text sola, it may never have had a picture
atomic grotto
oh ok
acoustic jetty
somebody does that. i added pictures for some of them
sharp thorn
must've been added this afternoon. i don't see it in my last backup
acoustic jetty
they've been true that ive checked
atomic grotto
ok, doesn't look like there's optimized high stat scrap for b43-46 so guess i'll work on that
im just gonna do b46 -> dump all in a9 -> leave
fleet surge
whos doing such things and not using ctrl+z after - just leaving
fervent zinc
someone who doesnt know how to zoom
atomic grotto
something something shopping cart theory
fleet surge
someone who doesnt know how to zoom
makes sense
p.s. or how to behave
hollow island
atomic grotto
err wai ti have the labels backwards
corvette seems noticeably worse
wonder if you can opti it more
maybe i'll do a hybrid
b10, b11-bb1, b17-d3, and mayyyyyyybe b39-bb3 each run
fickle flame
oh ok
me trying to convince sylv that since now we have grid coordinates it's possible to have a copy/paste layout system
atomic grotto
it's funnier this way
fickle flame
lol
sharp thorn
We can always make our own layout code
and then just have the cells dynamically change to create an image
fickle flame
🤔
reef hedge
is it just me or are some of the fleet layouts in the doc BS? 😄
atomic grotto
do you have examples
reef hedge
dont remember anymore, will test again next run
atomic grotto
they're editable by anyone so it's easy to both fix and grief the sheet
acoustic jetty
i've spend a certain amount of time malding in a copy of the sheet trying to come up with better formatting
conclusion, spreadsheets are not supposed to have images
on the bright side i kind of actually understand how pivot tables work now
atomic grotto
yeah spreadsheets don't play well with images
atomic grotto
you can't refer to them like regular cells, they're a pain in the ass to line up well with cell lines, and you can only display them all at once like a giant collage which means a lot of scrolling
acoustic jetty
have you tried sorting one of the battle columns? like, one with both hazard and support
it's a nightmare
if you could copy and paste a section of both image and cell entries that would be something
but the images are draw layer objects on top of the cells
you CAN have images inside cells, which would be "better" but google sheets doesn't let you do that easily
if i were starting over, i'd format it with alternating normal height rows for text and super tall rows to show where the images are supposed to go
but that would only help a little
you could maybe bite the bullet and have separate columns for each battle/support/hazard combo
fleet surge
you can't refer to them like regular cells, they're a pain in the ass to line up...
i dunno why it has been made in a way
but u can put a single image into single cell - ive used such sheets
acoustic jetty
you have to have the images as a file though? i cant see an easy way to do it from the clipboard
slow aurora
I only added one graphic, and it was very easy - even gave me a nice red line going across the top of it so I could line it up with the one in the row next to it.
Mad props to this community for the sheet, shows the quality of our players that there wasn't some doofus sabotaging it
fleet surge
just in cas - ShareX is best ever in the world tool for making screenshots - and it has autoupload if u need to anywhere like imgur
acoustic jetty
yeah the number of people casually fixing things is sufficiently higher than the number of slobs
slow aurora
Another good way to word that LOL
sharp thorn
you have to have the images as a file though? i cant see an easy way to do it fr...
shift right click to bring up the copy context menu for an image in sheets
fleet surge
oof this one is a good idea, but the main problem random people has no tool to extract that data from game - the line with layout
fleet surge
so we can make something to process it and compose a solution with corresponding images - then again if there would be an export tool maybe there would be an import as well and we wouldnt need images at all
--
im talking about gathering data
or is your screen a sneakpeek for G6 sheet remake with no needed optimised layouts?
sharp thorn
there's only one image for each ship type and the cells are just showing it repeatedly
so it's lighter weight
fleet surge
r u answering to me?
sharp thorn
not the part about extracting a code from a user image
fleet surge
anyways ive asked couple questions - so let them get either answered or ignored
sharp thorn
i don't fully understand what you mean by "no needed optimised layouts"
fleet surge
we have sheets = people can add their input with optimised layouts
u r showing a solution that uses codelines with numbers corresponding to 1 copy of little images
either u r talking about polishing finished completely optimised G6
or we have no way to input data with more optimised layouts along the way in case thats for G7 and new galaxies
@dragonite
acoustic jetty
shift right click to bring up the copy context menu for an image in sheets
that's good to know and also was a problem i'd had
but i was saying, given an image already in your clipboard, how do you paste it into a cell
atomic grotto
there's only one image for each ship type and the cells are just showing it repe...
but the real question is, are you gonna use alternate skins for each armor mod
uhh, ctrl v just works for me
acoustic jetty
that puts a draw-object image floating over the cells. like the sheet currently has
acoustic jetty
i dont see a relevant option in the right click menu and i cant paste an image while editing a cell
what's the trick, to do this #1387177734215827549 message
acoustic jetty
ffffff thos tiny semitransparent dots lol
sharp thorn
yeah i didn't realize how terribly sheets handled images until this
i always used to insert directly into a cell
atomic grotto
i wonder how high i can push before i hit the ~48 hours of fuel hard enrage
acoustic jetty
we could do this, there's still time
a glorious future of images and text you can cut and paste together
fleet surge
bb1 was improved a bit by some1
FUUUU\
ive made a backup and was working in it ffs
fleet surge
cherrypick my commit 😿
im not sure when i went to backup copy.. ok np at least will fix bb1
atomic grotto
default skin convention wins again
fleet surge
weapon can be enabled in settings
it has icons we can start understanding - im ignoring them atm
b11 also fixed iguess thats all..
languid thicket
By using the spreadsheet shared with Solanaceae as a reference, I was able to complete Galaxy 6.
Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-3
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R2 Level 1, R1 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, B8 Cleared, R1 Level 2, R2 Level 2
Run 3: S2 Level 1, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R1 Level 3
Run 4: S1 Level 2, F3 Unlocked, B11 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R2 Level 3
Run 5: S1 Level 3, B12 Cleared, HF Level 1, B13 Cleared, R3 Level 1, R3 Level 2
Run 6: S2 Level 2, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared
Run 7: B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, B18 Cleared, S3 Level 2, R2 Level 4
Run 8: S1 Level 4, B19 Cleared, GF Level 1, R2 Level 5, R1 Level 4, R1 Level 5
Run 9: BE Level 1, S1 Level 5, B20 Cleared, R4 Level 1
Run 10: S2 Level 3, B21 Cleared, B22 Cleared, R4 Level 2, R4 Level 3
Run 11: B23 Cleared, S4 Level 1, B24 Cleared, S3 Level 3, R3 Level 3
Run 12: S4 Level 2, F4 Unlocked, B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R5 Level 2, R2 Level 6
Run 13: S2 Level 4, BB2 Cleared, BB2 Cleared, BB2 Cleared, R1 Level 6
Run 14: S3 Level 4, B27 Cleared, B28 Cleared, B29 Cleared, R2 Level 7, R1 Level 7
Run 15: S5 Level 1, F5 Unlocked, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2, R3 Level 4
Run 16: S2 Level 5, B33 Cleared, R4 Level 4, R3 Level 5
Run 17: S4 Level 3, R1 Level 8, R4 Level 5, R2 Level 8
Run 18: S3 Level 5, R5 Level 3, R4 Level 6, F7 Unlocked
Run 19: B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, S6 Level 1, HP Level 1, R2 Level 9
Run 20: S5 Level 2, B36 Cleared, F6 Unlocked, R6 Level 3
Run 21: S4 Level 4, B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, R7 Level 1, R6 Level 4
Run 22: S4 Level 5, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, B42 Cleared, R2 Level 10, R3 Level 6
Run 23: S5 Level 3, B43 Cleared, R1 Level 9, R1 Level 10
Run 24: R2 Level 11, R7 Level 2, R5 Level 4, R1 Level 11, R3 Level 7
Run 25: R4 Level 7, R4 Level 8, R2 Level 12, R1 Level 12, R3 Level 8
Run 26: R4 Level 9
Run 27: R8 Level 1, R8 Level 2
Run 28: S6 Level 2, R6 Level 5
Run 29: S5 Level 4, B44 Cleared, B45 Cleared, F8 Unlocked, B46 Cleared, R3 Level 9
Run 30: B46 Cleared, R5 Level 5, R6 Level 6, R7 Level 3
regal plover
B28 got messed up in the spreadsheet 😦
sharp thorn
By using the spreadsheet shared with Solanaceae as a reference, I was able to co...
character limit?
languid thicket
There was a character limit of about 2000 characters.
fleet surge
woohoo not wasting
finished the run and not 4days yet
this one will take 10 times less time
sharp thorn
comin' together
fleet surge
comin' together
atomic grotto
comin' together
why do you have fighter to the left of corvette/frigate if its id is 3
fleet surge
how do u know ids? do u have access to somewhere?
we dont know how database is structured
sharp thorn
why do you have fighter to the left of corvette/frigate if its id is 3
cuz that's how it is in the game
atomic grotto
game sucks
sharp thorn
numbers are just unlock order
prime ice
run 32 and i still need to unlock d3 😦
fickle flame
comin' together
coding up a whole website to display fleet layouts
strong coral
i realise this might seem a bit reductive (and possibly wildly optimistic), but why not just encode it as an ontology of some kind for the ships?
using darg's screenshot above for an example with some arbitrary hazard/FR values thrown in :
B99 3.225 123.6 NS/HS FA- A2, C-S B1, F-- B3, C-A A4, HB- B4,A5
with each ship as ClassWeaponDefense
sharp thorn
i have a 2D array of fights vs stats to pull from. the ships have a mod configuration that is each possible permutation
fleet surge
oof B24 2.9x - +3fr, had to try 5 +- layouts:)
regal plover
The spreadsheet is quite sparse when it comes to 3.??x and 4.??x clears, at least at the lower battles it seems
It doesn't end until it's down to 5 FR or whatever the minimum possible is, with no support 😄
fleet surge
well some are not that fast im at 2.9x 🙂
regal plover
Same but enough people must have reached 3.??x at least to get some clears
Or did people just stop optimizing the lower battles? Lol
strong coral
mostly because the higher ship values give insignificant FR improvements compared to the middle range
fleet surge
Or did people just stop optimizing the lower battles? Lol
they do i often see 3-4 stats clear on b1-10+
regal plover
But at least try replacing a cruiser with corvettes or dropping a ship every now and then lol
fleet surge
give it time i guess
hollow island
this does not seem right
undone yoke
idk who's managing the sheet but the NS/NH setup works with 2.4 as well, 42.76 result
fleet surge
this does not seem right
at what run have ugot gf 1st lvl
fleet surge
idk who's managing the sheet but the NS/NH setup works with 2.4 as well, 42.76 r...
what is that? b21?
regal plover
idk who's managing the sheet but the NS/NH setup works with 2.4 as well, 42.76 r...
Everyone is managing the sheet
Hence the chaos.
hollow island
at what run have ugot gf 1st lvl
11
regal plover
Edit in your findings
undone yoke
what is that? b21?
oh, yeah sorry
fleet surge
oh, yeah sorry
sheet has no solution with shielded corvette.
regal plover
It's like a wiki, except worse
fleet surge
upload below everything if u got new layouts
regal plover
Why are we using a spreadsheet instead of a wiki anyway? 🤔
undone yoke
sheet has no solution with shielded corvette.
still 42.76 result
fleet surge
idk who's managing the sheet but the NS/NH setup works with 2.4 as well, 42.76 r...
btw also try those layouts from sheets first maybe they are even better? - not many ppl get there with 2.4 stats only bigger
hollow island
hi guys were looking for more wiki editors since the update added so much stuff. just register to start editing and im not advertising btw
fleet surge
feel free to add info
regal plover
It's not like calculations are happening. I don't think there's a single formula in that spreadsheet
fleet surge
pfft
lame css wiki i dunno with tons of unneeded extra text to post plain text
sheets imho is ultra better and also some formulas
anyway nvm, thats just imho
regal plover
Isn't there a way to edit a wiki with a WYSIWYG editor?
hollow island
visual editor sucks
also if you just want plain text you dont need much extra stuff
fleet surge
we need to check 3.425x stats for skipping f5 - with lower stats
maybe will check around 3.1... not sure if SHC is mandatory
acoustic jetty
It's not like calculations are happening. I don't think there's a single formula...
there COULD be calculations if there were any data
such as auto-updating the F-skip checks
acoustic jetty
err, i'm what im saying is the data is there to do that, it's just not formatted sanely for a spreadsheet
because we're using it as a scratch pad
fleet surge
no, we dont have data for lower stats
we r trying and see if it works right now as we progressing
and gathering it
what happened with b31-40
are we migrating to image per cell?
fleet surge
what are these 2.525 fleet strength numbers?
what about them
undone yoke
oh wait is that from GF?
fleet surge
yep gf +0.025 per level
undone yoke
weird
fickle flame
this does not seem right
holy advisor
undone yoke
sharp thorn
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o7y-BaLz7GtMEOyv49MJa4vxkrHL7WRvZiGe87HAI_g/edit?usp=sharing
undone yoke
better than the 2.5x 59.41
fleet surge
ive asked above - only problem is how will we contribute data
it should be fast and easy to share your optimisations imho
regal plover
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o7y-BaLz7GtMEOyv49MJa4vxkrHL7WRvZiGe87HA...
wow fancy
fickle flame
in theory, you should be able to input a string representing the grid coordinates of whatever ships and the sheet would display it
sharp thorn
did you not look at it?
regal plover
did you not look at it?
who? me?
sharp thorn
ugh mobile
nah it looks fine on my phone
you just have to zoom out
and landscape
fickle flame
ah yeah surely it'd work...
fickle flame
ive asked above - only problem is how will we contribute data
so about this one
sharp thorn
without some sort of image processor designed for fleet (not happening), there's no way around having some manual aspect to it
the code can be formatted automatically easily, but you still have to say what you put where somehow
fleet surge
should have link to another sheet maybe to upload data old way or smth i dunno yet
should be user friendly to those who dont know your coding behind etc
sharp thorn
somebody teach chatgpt to tell a frigate apart from an armor frigate
hollow island
wat
fleet surge
but all that only for later!
atm we can just have and use your work result with our optimisations results so far
that will allow to complete G6 very efficiently for new comers
fleet surge
btw, with all my input in any form (of answering to questions or sharing opinion)
i talk about what is not perfect or what can be improved
but that doesnt mean that im bullying kinda, on not happy/greatful/against etc all these cool things and solutions
im just lazy to thank and explain all that
hollow island
theres no way to tell between hull and armor
fleet surge
i will add that i never look to ships outfit 😂
neither while using sheets etc - only icons below icons (like flags/checkboxes)
so absolutely dont care and i wont parse solution by skins in my head when using
i think having SHC will be needed to skip F node.. not sure
wevegot solutions yet with a single HC
fleet surge
guys quick question not having SHC adds 20 fr?
regal plover
😦
worn trail
so is this the optimal time to reinforce? or should I push to s127 for some reason?
fleet surge
so is this the optimal time to reinforce? or should I push to s127 for some rea...
ive seen this one
first u can get starting nodes cause they are SUPER CHEAP
cursive scarab
so is this the optimal time to reinforce? or should I push to s127 for some rea...
Might want to grab a few extra capital shield/damage to make sure you can reach 127
fleet surge
2nd i think s127 ||has perma slot|| so im trying to get to s127
worn trail
feels like worth getting all overdrive ones too then
fleet surge
they cost like 75-300 and u have maxed one with 2k per level
one g6 run costs like 5-6 hours and nets like thousand or not sure arts - i would buy those little upgrades
and how much time will it take to get back to s126 - like days?
worn trail
I think I'm going to just reinforce now with as much as possible and reinforce again before galaxy is finished to push for 127
before the final reinforce
unborn quail
ive seen this one
is it your first reinforce ?
worn trail
or maybe I should just be lazy
fleet surge
is it your first reinforce ?
thats copy paste from above - not mine
saved as a semi goal..
unborn quail
oh ok
fleet surge
im gonna do the same maybe bit different
unborn quail
seems that i cant reach 126 w/o a reinforce on my side
fleet surge
in short - im gonna spend all my banked time then reinforce and ill share what i got by that time
unborn quail
thats what i did, got around 15k artifact not that much
fleet surge
got 3days banked left and im working on 2/5 astrium node - got 8k node alreay for splice
with these 2 nodes after b33 i guess itll get faster
unborn quail
nice, how is your history going ? doing runs at s126 seems to do the difference as well
fleet surge
iirc optimising galaxy in the end win if u prioritise arts in runs
fleet surge
nice, how is your history going ? doing runs at s126 seems to do the difference ...
yep s126 is good:( im sorry that ur are 1 sector below
unborn quail
Yeah duno why x) seems that i cant breach to s126 easily :X
whats your C.battle overdrive reactor lvl ?
fleet surge
iirc its 18 and 39 levels into
unborn quail
im t17 0/100 x)
unborn quail
what lvl is your research atm ?
fleet surge
iirc its 18 and 39 levels into
but ive been to s126 long ago - so u dont need that much to get to 126
unborn quail
yeah i guess you were at eoc longer than me before patch
fleet surge
yes but i mean beating s125 isnt that hard compared to beating s126 and for galaxy u only need to reach s126
unborn quail
I cant beat 125 w/o days of OD and research lol
fleet surge
maybe some shield mod swap can help etc - where u first strong then regen or smth or the opposite way also fighters type and build etc
unborn quail
maybe i need to do some test yes
fleet surge
argh not a single solution for B33 NS for low stats just like for 32 31 30 but those at least have something working
fleet surge
what lvl is your research atm ?
cant check atm this and history im in the long fight
but im n the run 10-20 iirc
fleet surge
moment
acoustic jetty
it's part of the 2.5x F2 clear and it doesnt work for me anymore
the sheet gives 51.42 and the advisor gives the same with the same ships
fleet surge
but there were fixes - everyday new that smth can stop working
deep hawk
Me right now: skips, go! I don't want to wait 40 runs to get enough resources.
fleet surge
acoustic jetty
what in tarnation
deep hawk
Probably overexagerrating with 40. But certainly 30 given you at best get ~10k artefacts per run
fleet surge
am i blind?
i think report that to Sylv
cause he s working to make practice equal to battle
i dont understand how is it possible to make it not equal at all btw:):)
it fights in real time not calculated fast..
acoustic jetty
i think the game engine does simulation and collision and it's somewhat black box
fleet surge
but game engine is made by Sylv or is that some Unity i dunno
acoustic jetty
it could even be hardware dependent i think
fleet surge
... could be anything but from my simple view - hes got battle and another battle called practice - how can they be different
acoustic jetty
USI is made in godot i believe
fleet surge
i mean its not like battle is in real time and practice is instant result of battle - its in real time as well - like 'the same'
glad iris
There's no reason to have a different battle functionality for practice
You just don't have it save and add custom options
acoustic jetty
things that shouldnt matter but do somehow, classic bug
magic the gathering online had a card once that worked differently in foil
...well that's taken the wind out of my sails for trying to optimize and share strats
fleet surge
someone's checking f5 skip at 2.9?
we do, but its paused until calculator is made on separate page,
i think rough estimate it wont be worth untill SHC - printer at least
but need mroe optimisation for NS and S after
fleet surge
or was that abandoned?
anyways need optimisation for available layouts for NS 33 32 etc - they are at sheets
both with SHC and w/o SHC
if any1 can/want to improve them
cause so far we have only a single take on it
glad iris
Ah yes ofc
I may or may not be responsible for this advisor
In case you're wondering it's just 9 armored cruiser
glad iris
It's like
150 FR for 120 scrap
Sounds like a good ratio
Then again
If you're using FR on that you're not pushing further for more fuel efficiency
Anyone got an advanced spreadsheet calculator for fuel efficiency x resources x stats?
fleet surge
after 30/40 nodes completed my runs were like 6:05 to 5:59 hours
not sure if efficiency is efficient
scrap-stats-first time unlocks..
glad iris
How are you still so high on that
deep hawk
Have you reinforced for fuel efficiency?
I think I should finish artefacts on run 54 or 55
glad iris
My math's telling me ~60
After B46 did you focus on A9 or did you farm scrap with extra FR?
deep hawk
A9
focus on resources
I only have 3.75x fighting stats
Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-3
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, R2 Level 1, R1 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, S1 Level 1, B7 Cleared, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R1 Level 2, R2 Level 2
Run 3: S1 Level 2, F3 Unlocked, B11 Cleared, R2 Level 3
Run 4: S2 Level 1, B12 Cleared, HF Level 1, R3 Level 1
Run 5: S1 Level 3, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R3 Level 2
Run 6: S2 Level 2, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, R1 Level 3, GF Level 1
Run 7: S1 Level 4, B16 Cleared, B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, R2 Level 4
Run 8: R1 Level 4, R2 Level 5, R3 Level 3, B18 Cleared, B19 Cleared, R2 Level 6
Run 9: BE Level 1, S3 Level 2, R2 Level 7
Run 10: R1 Level 5, S1 Level 5, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, B23 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2
Run 11: S4 Level 1, S2 Level 3, B24 Cleared, R4 Level 3
Run 12: S3 Level 3, B22 Cleared, S4 Level 2
Run 13: S3 Level 4, F4 Unlocked, B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, R4 Level 4
Run 14: S2 Level 4, R1 Level 6, BB2 Cleared, R5 Level 1
Run 15: S4 Level 3, B27 Cleared, B28 Cleared, B29 Cleared, R5 Level 2, R3 Level 4
Run 16: S5 Level 1, R1 Level 7, R4 Level 5, R2 Level 8
Run 17: S3 Level 5, BB2 Cleared, R5 Level 3
Run 18: S2 Level 5, R3 Level 5, R2 Level 9
Run 19: F5 Unlocked, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, R1 Level 8, R1 Level 9, R5 Level 4, R4 Level 6
Run 20: S4 Level 4, B32 Cleared, B33 Cleared, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2
Run 21: B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, R6 Level 3, R6 Level 4, R3 Level 6, R1 Level 10
Run 22: HP Level 1, S6 Level 1, R2 Level 10, R4 Level 7
Run 23: S5 Level 2, B36 Cleared, F6 Unlocked, B37 Cleared, R2 Level 11, R1 Level 11
Run 24: B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, B42 Cleared, R7 Level 1, R7 Level 2, R3 Level 7, R2 Level 12
Run 25: R6 Level 5, R5 Level 5, BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, R4 Level 8
Run 26: F7 Unlocked, B43 Cleared, R6 Level 6, R3 Level 8, R5 Level 6
Run 27: S4 Level 5, B44 Cleared, B45 Cleared, R6 Level 7
Run 28: R8 Level 1
Run 29: F8 Unlocked, R8 Level 2, R1 Level 12
Run 30: GF Level 2, S5 Level 3
Run 31: S6 Level 2, R8 Level 3
Run 32: R3 Level 9, R3 Level 10, R4 Level 9, R7 Level 3
Run 33: S5 Level 4, B46 Cleared
Run 34: B46 Cleared, R8 Level 4
Run 35: R4 Level 10, R6 Level 8, R5 Level 7
Run 36: R6 Level 9, R4 Level 11, R3 Level 11
Run 37: R7 Level 4, R3 Level 12, R4 Level 12
Run 38: R5 Level 8
Run 39: R8 Level 5
Run 40: R7 Level 5, R5 Level 9
Run 41: R5 Level 10, R6 Level 10
Run 42: R7 Level 6, R5 Level 11
Run 43: R7 Level 7
Run 44: R5 Level 12, R6 Level 11
Run 45: S6 Level 3
Run 46: R7 Level 8
And yes, I have used a few timeskips because I am lazy with waiting for artefacts
But won't skip right now due to going to work soon.
glad iris
Didn't think it'd make that big of a difference
subtle sparrow
3.525x seems insufficient to get a 2 shot clear on B46
cursive scarab
I did 3 fights at that fleet multiplier
strong coral
you'll be doing a heap of scrap runs after it, so one extra to break B46 doesn't mean much in the long run
fickle flame
these are all different ships <:pepebobo:875562287946170379>
see this is why I color-coded my health type mods
hollow glacier
same
I color-code enchanced weapon
enchanced armor
and both
fickle flame
mixed weapon and armor types is too much for me
anyways you can visually identify weapons without changing skin
only the health types are indistinguishable
hollow glacier
wdym?
I have:
- Standard ship
- Ship with not standard weapon
- Ship with not standard hull
- Ship with both
That's all
fickle flame
the neurons in my brain work like this:
default - green
armor - red
shield - blue
armor tank - speedster (red with stripes)
spacemas is a bit jank and advanced and golden skins suck tbh
hollow glacier
I see
For me it's
- Steampunk
- Red
- Blue
- Green
fleet surge
for me color means armor and weapon as well
hollow glacier
idk, I don't have it
fleet surge
green - rockets - blue shield/armor,
red - nothing etc
althou with sheets everybody has its own hash table
btw golden skins - there r most optimised layouts somewhere with golden skins only iirc:):)
but with those golden or steampunk - not sure skins - all types of ships look the same for me
its best to have not only by color but also by skins
guys if some1s up for testing some F node skips - feel free to copy calc on the Calcs page and put it below other calcs here and do ur testings
fickle flame
anyone testing F6 skip yet
fleet surge
im doin 2.9 f5 only atm and thinking that ill fail will try again after i get SHC
but f6 calc is here, its just needs data
fervent zinc
what is shc
cursive scarab
Starting heavy cruiser
cursive scarab
Yes. Don't blame me, I didn't come up with the stupid SHC acronym
subtle sparrow
super heavy cruiser 🗿
fervent zinc
I don't blame you, you're just the one bringing me this disturbing news!
fervent zinc
turn it into HP!
fleet surge
HP absolutely not understandable
fervent zinc
who calls l1 shipyard or "choose your own ship node" 😦
fleet surge
P is for printer but H - no idea
cursive scarab
What's wrong with writing "starting heavy cruiser"?
fleet surge
space
fervent zinc
HP absolutely not understandable
why is heavy printer so bad??
I wil continue to be unreasonably upset at this 😠
fervent zinc
only one of these acronyms appears in the game!
fleet surge
even notation couple days ago
fervent zinc
ya, I'm a human being. I reserve the right to be unreasonable
fleet surge
anyways HCP is acceptable but SHC is so used already..
and there should be legend ofc - some vocabulary
acoustic jetty
change them all
fervent zinc
??? no matching clear?
oh... I didnt choose l1...
acoustic jetty
better, change them all to refer to a single cell that defines it
fervent zinc
wait I mean "my starting ship bonus"
acoustic jetty
then edit war over that cell
fervent zinc
or mssb
fleet surge
better, change them all to refer to a single cell that defines it
what r u saying
fervent zinc
better, change them all to refer to a single cell that defines it
change everything to a concat formula, so no one knows how to use the sheet anymore 😛
fleet surge
u want use to replace HCP or SHC with formula?
acoustic jetty
it was a joke, i was saying make every single reference to it a variable defined somewhere
fervent zinc
I keep fixing the manual space someone is adding to a text wrapping whenever I find
fleet surge
i dont think that matters as author is working on user friendly product already - we just need to provide some more raw data in any form
fleet surge
I keep fixing the manual space someone is adding to a text wrapping whenever I f...
big thx! doing the same etc
do follow the convention!
fervent zinc
like why 😦
relief
apparently you cant ctrl a and change every cell. Love google docs.
acoustic jetty
you're saying to use the built in text wrapping function
that works on every screen size?
why do that when you can just put hard returns
fervent zinc
but if you don't use hard returns, you can't make it a pain in the ass to add a clear in the center of the range
fleet surge
why what?..
fleet surge
since when they bad
fervent zinc
what is... I'm not trying to decipher this. I don't need to know about f nodes anymore <.<
acoustic jetty
but it's so pretty now
fervent zinc
ok you can select all the rows and add text wrapping. So every cell has text wrapping enabled now.
Just need to remove hard coded returns if you stumble on them
fleet surge
: some times with modified ships sometimes - there r many reasons
acoustic jetty
but your screen isnt the same as everyone else's screen
ideal for you is not best for everyone
fleet surge
i understand now - that u hate everything u dont understand - well thats a not good life attitude i think
acoustic jetty
lol
fervent zinc
I think that's actually you right now lol
where do you need to hard code returns in this document?
fleet surge
ideal for you is not best for everyone
if u answering me - read again - line break not to fit on screen they are LOGICAL
-different layouts different stuff
dozens places
acoustic jetty
yeah would make sense sometimes
fervent zinc
point to one, I want to understand what you're saying
acoustic jetty
here's some clears, here's some other cleats with +missiles on a new line
the problem is you literally don't know how wide the cell is
fleet surge
acoustic jetty
on the next guy's screen
yeah great, now make your window half it's current width and tell me how it looks
etc
fleet surge
im not there to make our sheets fully adaptive or responsive design sorry
ask dargonite for all that
fleet surge
btw on any mobile we can goto settings and check PC view or something like that in chrome browser if something is bad
for a given web page
fervent zinc
this one however is super annoying
fleet surge
and I wouldnt have removed the return
most of them make sense - somewhere where failing stats are over some where where
fervent zinc
I'm at 3.725, so let me add my result to it. Oh look it's in the center of the text, wtf?
fleet surge
ok that sheet is not mine so no point in arguing - do whatever u want
fervent zinc
most of them are like this example from what I've seen
where we should just be using text wrap
fleet surge
do u know the rule 80 (80 column rule)? this convention is there for a reason over the whole world
if u r gonna argue against it the conversation is over
coders have widescreens nowadays its said... but the rule lives over decades and i gladly cherish it
yes code will be maybe 10 times more rows
ive imagined that manual line breaks may be bad on even smaller screens - if some1 wants - fix them, thats a lot of work tho
fleet surge
this one however is super annoying
--
modify them to that wrapping mode if can - let it be good,
and those cases where few layouts are in 1 cell - should be split ofc, but ppl input data all in 1 place often not making screenshots - so lots of work
fervent zinc
anyone know the optimal layout for B20 @ 3.725? cant get the 30 FR clear
oh fuck me, I had a better clear and got all excited and it's still not the optimum
fleet surge
can smbd teach me how to input image in cell
ive tried shift ctrl rmb lmb etc stuff no drop menu pops
i can "add an image to cell" but itll require upload a file not just ctrl+v
cause smbd has started rework of the sheet, but ppl still add screenshots and i do just near the cell not into it
this is what ive got so far
we need a solution for B31 NS/NH: 2.9x with a single HC
to make it worth before HCP node swith 29.x+
regal plover
how important is it to go for BB3 vs. going ahead with more B nodes?
fervent zinc
my best clear on BB3 is 76 FR, so it's decent scrap wise
fleet surge
can somebody help with my questions?..
fervent zinc
and you probably are going to be stuck farming scrap to get 3100+ FR and 3.6+ stats
(B42 is super cheap though, after the hazard)
fleet surge
need B31 NS/NH: 2.9x 75.5 FR max to make f5 skippable
hollow glacier
what does NS/NH mean? just to be sure
fervent zinc
no support, no hazard
fleet surge
and also no starting heavy cruiser in this case
so very difficult
but feeeeeeeels doable... or maybe not - not enough fire power:(:9
cursive scarab
I don't get fleet battles. Sometimes it's just impossible to replicate an earlier result even without gaining any fleet damage/health
fleet surge
I don't get fleet battles. Sometimes it's just impossible to replicate an earlie...
either there was a fix to the game or your stats have changed
99%certain
omg omg omg
ive alt tabbed to answer discord there and back to 75
what was that
75 is just what i needed not a single FR more
jeez thats practice mode:( now let me check how miserably will i fail in real battle
fervent zinc
I don't get fleet battles. Sometimes it's just impossible to replicate an earlie...
some of them are just really bizarre, or only 1 specific layout works and everything else is garbage