i don't think i bothered keeping the calcs for f1 though
#G6/z69-6
atomic grotto
atomic grotto
i don't even have them on my own sheet anymore
that was like 4 runs ago
nobody has enough brainspace for that
atomic grotto
Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-3
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R1 Level 1, R2 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, S2 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R1 Level 2
Run 3: S1 Level 2, B11 Cleared, B12 Cleared, R2 Level 2, R3 Level 1
Run 4: F3 Unlocked, S1 Level 3, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R1 Level 3
Run 5: S2 Level 2, HF Level 1, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, R2 Level 3
Run 6: S1 Level 4, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1
Run 7: S1 Level 5, B18 Cleared, S3 Level 2, B19 Cleared
Run 8: S2 Level 3, BE Level 1, R3 Level 2
south zodiac
i would be angry if i could remember my numbers to compare them
fervent zinc
ya... 4 days of fuel at 6 hours each is a lot of runs
not skipping F2 yet? 😦 I want to skip it already
atomic grotto
i think it's unlikely to be skipped because of the b10 value
idk
b7-b10 costs me 72.68 fr rn
fickle flame
F2 is super valuable mainly because of b9/b10
it's very funny for b10 because you can clear it with 5 FR
atomic grotto
i'm at x2 stats so i'll check it out next run but i think it's a waste of time until like x3
fickle flame
yeah F2 is basically worth it until around 3x iirc
it might be possible to make it worth skipping at like 2.5x but I ain't figuring out new no-support layouts
atomic grotto
if i had a nickel for every time the advisor default deploy was the optimal one
i'd have 10 nickels
seriously wtf
fickle flame
wtf
fervent zinc
advisor is learning
fickle flame
well I guess stacking em into the top corner is a pretty good strat overall
fervent zinc
soon you'll be obsolete
hollow island
the strategy for fleet is to bully enemies, 1 enemy at a time
fervent zinc
why is my saved clear 16 FR... but I cant get better than like 30
fickle flame
F3 is a little interesting, after you get rid of B22 and the hazards it might be worth skipping if you also skip b11 and bb1
however those are efficient scrap nodes with the support so it's usually still worth taking F3
atomic grotto
skipping bb1...
maiden pollen
at what time its better not use F1 ? (first support)
atomic grotto
might be a thing for huge pushes only
atomic grotto
at what time its better not use F1 ? (first support)
1.4-1.5ish
b7-b10 is such a pain
i keep forgetting to swap equipment
fickle flame
F4 is very funny
it's worth taking solely for b26
yes, it can genuinely save you 100FR there
fervent zinc
beat the advisor by 0.1 FR. woo
fickle flame
bb2 is good scrap, so it's usually worth going through that path when you get there
fervent zinc
I'm so confused though 😦
maiden pollen
1.4-1.5ish
and f2 f3?
atomic grotto
dunno
fervent zinc
not 1.4-1.5ish though
fickle flame
and f2 f3?
a lot higher
around 3x for F2, b10 is super good with it
F3 depends if you go for bb1, which you usually should
fickle flame
the early nodes are generally more efficient, except for b4 and b5 which suck, and b10 is hilarious - b11 and bb1 are good
atomic grotto
S neglect
fickle flame
reaching HF with 1.6x is not absurd
fickle flame
how are you guys going with S nodes
atomic grotto
nice 1.27 damage
fervent zinc
reaching HF with 1.6x is not absurd
You mean HP
which is at the end of the galaxy
and is very absurd from where I'm sitting
fickle flame
how does this guy have heavy cruiser on b9
also, that's not a heavy cruiser
fervent zinc
aw fuck me, you're right
I swaer I checked like 3 times to make sure I wasnt mistaking a cruiser for a heavy again too 😦
fickle flame
nice 1.27 damage
wut
fickle flame
tf is that layout
fickle flame
1.4x and 2x stats is pretty big difference
fervent zinc
it's only 0.6, not that much
fickle flame
oh lol that corvette wasn't even a deployed one
fickle flame
I was very confused by this layout, since my armor tank cruisers are speedster skin and I was wondering why you were putting armor against the 2x armor enemy
hollow island
it's only 0.6, not that much
😐
fervent zinc
don't be upset, it's just simple logic
doesn't work for me at 1.4 😦
ah because that layout is wrong for 1.4x, and I just stumbled on the 68.75 one lol
strong coral
maybe i'm going mad, but it feels like my ships targeting priority has gone to hell, with charge laser corvettes ignoring shield ships in the same row and going after armoured ones a row up
fervent zinc
targetting has always gone for the closest target, shield/armor doesnt matter
strong coral
yeah... that's why i'm wondering why it's going for a different row
fervent zinc
because that row is probably closer, I'd need to see screenshot to say anything else I think
strong coral
like in your screenshot above, when i put charge corvettes in the bottom row, they go for the row above
let me skip to that one
fervent zinc
targetting goes after similar sized ships first, then closest target
strong coral
the fighters are closer to the front, but they sure aren't closer
fervent zinc
so they're ignoring the mediums
strong coral
i don't remember them being that stupid, but it's been a while since i was in G5
fervent zinc
been like that always
fervent zinc
can someone else confirm if this works on 1.5x?
atomic grotto
can someone else confirm if this works on 1.5x?
fervent zinc
what? how did you finish it at 1.5x with 10 FR less than the 1.6x stats? when it doesnt even work at all for me 😦
fervent zinc
oh you turned off hazard
was like "wait how did you kill the snipers from way over there"
atomic grotto
oh
fervent zinc
yay redid half my run to save 7 FR so I could one shot B16 <.<
fervent zinc
2500 o.O
I love how some fights have 10 layouts on this spreadsheet, and then there's B13 with one layout
fleet surge
I love how some fights have 10 layouts on this spreadsheet, and then there's B13...
hold on b13 is not mine its new as well
noice
-13 fr from morning
fervent zinc
apparently I'm bad at fleet
fresh breach
anyone beat bb2? i can't figure it out
also, does anyone have the bug where the Heavy Cruisers just randomly decide to stop moving ?
fresh breach
anyone beat bb2? i can't figure it out
best i can do for now is 769 damage (3 turns) with this layout
tepid imp
best i can do for now is 769 damage (3 turns) with this layout
I got 904 here 2.45x
fresh breach
that's still 3 runs, i guess there's not much more that can be done without more FR
slate tulip
#sector-124-131 message
"I had a repeat Fleet run fail due to lack of resources earlier.
That shouldn't happen, right? Resources are always better every run"
So im having this problem alot. If i Auto Battle I end up with a bunch more FR than if I Repeat, even if I Auto Battle'd the previous time. Its like its not saving my new high scores. This is happening even when im not increasing the strength of my units between runs...
umbral hamlet
BB2 - did 1600 damage in first run with this setup, forgot to make screenshot
was 1000 damage with beam laser
sly valve
Anyone done B12 no support yet?
My best shot at it, 147.24 FR used, more efficient than spending 100 FR on support I guess
indigo wing
So what's the consensus for M1, regular or heavy cruiser?
hearty scaffold
I'm going to thank you all in advance for doing the 🧠 work that my just-back-from-the-office arse couldn't do ❤️
fleet surge
So what's the consensus for M1, regular or heavy cruiser?
i always take HC - just like having shield dmg as well etc
weary remnant
is B24 bug or what the top heavy cruiser do nothing and just sit there
tepid imp
working fine for me.
tepid imp
i will find a way to record
subtle sparrow
So what's the consensus for M1, regular or heavy cruiser?
Its pretty close, maybe the first time through stick with regular cruiser, but the next time go with heavy- I found some better results but didn't work super hard to optimize
If you're going to fight a base or command ship, heavy beam cruisers are excellent
tepid imp
weird
sharp thorn
they met quota
sharp thorn
jesus
subtle sparrow
F7 isn't relevant for a while but I imagine F7 beats GF
GF might save a little FR by the time F7 becomes relevant
sharp thorn
F7 isn't relevant for a while but I imagine F7 beats GF
might as well do F7 if nothing else is in reach. You won't want to spend the FR when you actually need F7
autumn owl
Sylv said there’d be an obvious point to reinforce mid-G6, but I’m either blind, or stupid, cause I don’t see it
There’s several good nodes, but nothing that I see that demands a reinforce asap
tepid imp
Sylv said there’d be an obvious point to reinforce mid-G6, but I’m either blind,...
base 6 renovation and astrium fuel eff
gusty furnace
The Base 6 renovation (and potentially the fuel efficiency off to the side)
tepid imp
up to you if you want to get fuel eff before reinforcing, I didn't at my end.
autumn owl
I maybe just didn’t understand the base renovation description
Though with further thought, ir leads to more artifact gain
tepid imp
you get this one in b6.
autumn owl
Yeah, saw that in spoilers
tepid imp
yeah more artifact gain and changes b6 upgrade.
gusty furnace
Even just the 10x b6 production bonus is a decent argument without understanding the renovation part other than 'even better b6'
autumn owl
I dis see the fuel efficiency, that was my thought of reinforce point, but that was for faster G6 clear, I was looking for somethibg kinda gamechanging
worn trail
yay redid half my run to save 7 FR so I could one shot B16 <.<
I forgot to spend scrap to upgrade ship damage that run so I had to undo as well. I think the key to that battle is balancing your cruisers on top and bottom so they can quickly kill reinforcements and then focus on the base again
gusty furnace
B6 and fuel efficiency both lead to faster G6 clear, and quicker access to the gamechanging things
autumn owl
The warp or the crew was my guess, but didn’t seem like they’d be majorly relevant for a mid-galaxy reinforce
subtle sparrow
Faster G6 sorta is gamechanging
Since you'd need to reinforce at the end of G6 to get all the buffs anyway
autumn owl
I mean you’re not wrong, guess I just took the comment another way
swift maple
Faster G6 sorta is gamechanging
I don't see why the 1.05x Fuel Eff is "gamechanging"
tepid imp
less 17-18 mins per run xD.
inner orchid
could also be new ship and utility
maiden pollen
is there bb2 setup with boss?
tepid imp
is there bb2 setup with boss?
#1387177734215827549 message no one with 1shot build yet.
subtle sparrow
I don't see why the 1.05x Fuel Eff is "gamechanging"
Depends on how many runs you (or perhaps the "target" or average player) take to clear G6, after getting the upgrade
1.05x isn't a lot though I agree
The artifact gain seems more impactful especially if you haven't been in EoC hell ramping up Base 6
swift maple
Fair, I "was" for a bit but not to the extent of you guys
The best fleet feeling is when you cleared a base last run and now you can save like, 150-200 FR
I can't get 37.7?
gusty furnace
tbh, optimal G6 is probably reinforcing right after you can get the B6 upgrade, and then again after fuel efficiency. But I only want to do one mid-galaxy reinforce.
swift maple
Wait, why would that 3 run gap be optimal?
You wouldn't even have time to push a single sector
Oh I misunderstood
Crew Suprem is huge
2.325x, do we stop using F2 now?
hasty fjord
1 shot B41
onyx trail
I actually wonder if it makes sense to push base 6 upgrade + crew supremacy and then reinforce. So not looking forward to doing crew again. Might just do that, won't take that long to get there
sharp thorn
Does the base 6 upgrade reset the slots? Cuz that would add a startup delay to the artifact bonus
it would actually be a nerf to me because I'm at 2.15x
mint roost
for b13 this works at 1.5 power as well :)
1.4 power can be done by placing another heavy cruiser on the back rank fighter, and moving that fighter up
tepid imp
it would actually be a nerf to me because I'm at 2.15x
you'll get a different b6 bonus afterwards.
sharp thorn
Yeah but what does it do
tepid imp
Yeah but what does it do
sharp thorn
That doesnt tell me anything
gusty furnace
Does it reset slots on reinforce, or only after you purchase the 3e23 component upgrade?
tepid imp
That doesnt tell me anything
tepid imp
Does it reset slots on reinforce, or only after you purchase the 3e23 component ...
just once.
reinforced just now, slots remain the same.
gusty furnace
So no need to build back up to 3E23 if I have it before getting the G6 B6 upgrade, correct?
tepid imp
yes
gusty furnace
Thank you.
tepid imp
just like how old b6 works
sharp thorn
What run are you on?
hasty fjord
Just finished 38
sharp thorn
When did you beat b22
hasty fjord
Run 18
sharp thorn
Man beating g6 should be easy without reinforcing but getting the artifacts without that buff would be annoying
hasty fjord
Which buff?
tepid imp
Man beating g6 should be easy without reinforcing but getting the artifacts with...
you get a permanent 2.5x when you buy the b6 upgrade.
sharp thorn
yeah but i'd need to reinforce to get that
hasty fjord
Oooooh is that what that does
sharp thorn
it's going to be a kind of garbage reinforce if I do it
tepid imp
Oooooh is that what that does
#1387177734215827549 message
I'm almost back at 126 after reinforcing, warp and reactor mostly delayed and research.
hasty fjord
Damn that might be a reinforce and sit until G6 done, then reinforce again angle
sharp thorn
Yeah
Awkward middle reinforce
So probably better to do it earlier rather than later to start making dividends on the artifact bonus
And then ignore efficiency because it’s pricey and only amounts to an extra 5% time delay
Although I wanted to T19 synth and research first
tepid imp
yeah, that helps if it won't take too long to reinforce.
hasty fjord
Hmmm, the upgrade on my base went from 2.16 to 2.5x artifacts which isn't a large boost. But it does start the A.Synth and rebuild process
sharp thorn
Oh it goes from current mult to 2.5x. That’s a bit misleading
tepid imp
I think upgrade should say cap current fleet artifact gain to 2.5x.
fleet surge
no improvement for B1 :(:( ppl are lazy to share their layouts for higher stats
hasty fjord
Ok this is wild - reset with starting ship and without prestiging I'm at s72
sharp thorn
3.275 
tepid imp
they're asking for clears on higher stats 
fleet surge
B1 17.54 1.8x most i could do
swift maple
Alright where is the BB2 clear
Agh 1 shot is insane if even doable without 320
716???
That's 1000+
Yeah it doesn't count the health lost to remaining shots after the ships die @austere adder
sharp thorn
gotta love an efficient run
fleet surge
B5 NS: 1.8x-49.88
tepid imp
@timber swallow 1 hit b33.
timber swallow
<@328594219998511104> 1 hit b33.
nice i beat mine
wispy marten
Heavy cruisers seem prone to breaking
like it stops moving and attacking, period
I have 2 sets of them out and one of them just STOPS
it's 100% a bug with the beam weapon, since it stops happening when I use the standard
maiden pollen
why my ship not atk? (auto repeat on)
hasty fjord
I've noticed that occasionally happens with heavy cruisers where they get stuck. Can't seem to repro it consistently though
sharp thorn
bb2 is mean
This deals 1341
this deals 1735 for 100 more FR
2.2x is too low to do this clean
ok this is 1780ish
tepid imp
darg, not sure if you saw, 4th spliced crew needs 400 adaptation levels to unlock.
sharp thorn
sheets does weird stuff when there's so many people. try refreshing
atomic grotto
yea i did like 3 times
sharp thorn
lame
atomic grotto
68.21 on 2.1
do you have a better one before i fix the sheet
advisor says 65 but i didn't figure it out
atomic grotto
rip
sharp thorn
atomic grotto
oh that's 58.37
sharp thorn
the 63 was probably back at 2x
atomic grotto
i like the part where mini rail is still better on neutral targets despite being nerfed like 4 times
hmmm
should i dump my remaining FR into GF or F7...
gusty furnace
F7. You don't need it now, but when you want it you won't want to unlock it then.
atomic grotto
i can probably squeeze out 1 level of GF at least since it's so far away
or can i
i think it's like 10 runs away at least
nah there's too many other F nodes
tepid imp
gz
gusty furnace
How many more to max artifacts?
hasty fjord
Hard to say, but I have 1/3rd of the artifacts I need right now.
tepid imp
is A9 even worth the trip, A8 gives a ton xD.
hasty fjord
I think in theory when you cap out your R nodes it would be a FR dump
Also, sub 3:30h travel time is awesome for repeats
austere adder
dang 46 is pretty low
sharp thorn
oh what you got comin'
atomic grotto
ok so assuming like 25-30 more runs, that's 5-7 days
humanity is totes doable
as for corruption...
maybe i should look into the acclimation modules
austere adder
has there been any more reports of auto run improve giving impossible results?
soft sable
I'm at 42 runs and trying to figure out a line-up for B46 right now.
atomic grotto
yeah there's a couple
but not recent
people are mostly at 2x+ now statwise
and i haven't seen anything broken around those values
austere adder
hmmmm ok
atomic grotto
did you see my report about volley rng?
fickle flame
hurr
austere adder
did you see my report about volley rng?
ya, looking into it later after stupid beam (and apparently cruiser with burst fire O.o) pausing
atomic grotto
cool beans
fickle flame
I think it's clearable with only one armor tank cruiser
sharp thorn
not with my hp
covert birch
fickle flame
I put them bottom left
deep hawk
B9 1.1 S/H 132.68
(all ships 1 up from current 1.1 S/H)
atomic grotto
i love sitting here for 30 seconds in solo cruiser clears
fickle flame
:)
regal plover
what's a support station?
fickle flame
i love sitting here for 30 seconds in solo cruiser clears
B17 is painful
regal plover
apparently you need to spend the FR to unlock the tutorial 😆
regal plover
same but i literally downloaded the update like an hour ago lol
fickle flame
I didn't tryhard that much but surely one right
fickle flame
it's free real estate
hmthis got me 41.96 hmm
atomic grotto
as opposed to what
fickle flame
I'd like to know how much FR this clear gets
this
atomic grotto
doesn't practice mode tell you how much it used
atomic grotto
?
atomic grotto
funny as hell
too bad b18 and b19 cost so much that it's still kind of mediocre overall
strong coral
apparently i'm not quite as bad as i thought, unless it's lying to me to save my feelings
swift maple
Can you skip F2 at 2.5x?
swift maple
yeah F2 is basically worth it until around 3x iirc
Ah
sharp thorn
teleport shotguns 
atomic grotto
if i had a nickel for every time advisor default deploy was optimal i'd have 20 nickels
how is it doing this
austere adder
O.o
that seems weird tbh
are you checking other configs
like its matching what advisor was, but maybe a different one would still be better?
atomic grotto
yea, i mess around for 5-10 minutes with recommended build in different layouts
then i just hit advisor deploy and it beats them anyway
austere adder
stacking at top is just op I guess 
swift maple
Yeah I can't get he 71.94 at 2.625x
I can hit 75
Saving 300 FR over the course of a run due to removing ships cuz high stats and checking in on most recent sheet layouts
Feelsgoodman
Got the 8000 Crew Supremacy, why is Fuel Eff so damn important
inner orchid
howmany skips was that?
hasty fjord
I think around 60
I'll post how many runs it took in a sec, busy clicking buttons on new run
And base is back to full slots again
hasty fjord
72 runs to finish off the artifacts
atomic grotto
how rough was bb2, is it a strict 2.5 wall?
swift maple
When you're timeskipping that much you hardly give a shit
hasty fjord
I wouldn't say hyper efficient, but I did make sure to run nodes over again after S upgrades (up until the end)
swift maple
Ofc
stark pecan
I wouldn't say hyper efficient, but I did make sure to run nodes over again afte...
I dont really do this but I do use the auto to do it
swift maple
That's probably what he means
But taking ships away and "redoing the placement" is probably too much to ask
hasty fjord
I did run nodes to optimize taking away ships and reducing FR count, on top of running with the same comp with higher stats for better FR
When I got to the end boss I ran through an auto-determine if it could improve FR pass
atomic grotto
im debating between 2 R nodes or S to 2.5 for bb2 pushing next run
72 FR or easier fight
hasty fjord
I generally pick whichever upgrades are cheapest - bang for the buck
acoustic jetty
I think the main thing is that S is always efficient and R isn't
if you want to fight a hard battle, doing it using more R means overdeploying or it might be literally impossible
S just helps
the other way around does exist, you hit a big raw FR sink and run out. but for some of those you can just partially contribute so it's fine
swift maple
I generally pick whichever upgrades are cheapest - bang for the buck
Stats are weighted at 2x resources
So 0.1 stats for 300 scrap would be equivalent to 0.1 resources for 150 scrap
proud skiff
B29 2.5x 63.05
boreal dome
so, um...is there a bug where heavy beams just...wont fire?
literally, they just move into range and SIT there
sharp thorn
yes
boreal dome
fix/workaround?
mystic reef
S also applies the moment you get it, R only applies the next time you travel
boreal dome
ah, thanks. didnt spot it in the list
boreal dome
So 0.1 stats for 300 scrap would be equivalent to 0.1 resources for 150 scrap
really? even tho resources are generally incremented in 0.01?
swift maple
It's up to personal interpretation
When I was testing the fleet update with @snow willow that's what we arrived on
You can weight them higher or lower
swift maple
Not sure
I asked and got mixed responses
So I don't think there's a concensus for "comparative value" other than "stats are better, generally"
Yeah I'm gonna punch the button I think
I'm not too worried about the 2 extra days or whatever to fully complete the galaxy
boreal dome
I just punched R myself. I did as much as I could until I had a decent stretch of time to do the R
acoustic jetty
someone put a B19 in B14 no it was just an image in a very wrong place, the old one was still underneath
atomic grotto
the only 2 shots i've seen are like 250
acoustic jetty
and i think they deleted an old solution too as they had a "strict upgrade"
sharp thorn
you can 2 shot with 200
swift maple
200 total, 100 each?
sharp thorn
no, 200 each
atomic grotto
what S though
swift maple
Ah, I might have delayed a bit, def higher than 2.2
Thanks for clearing up confusion
sharp thorn
how much fr do you have?
atomic grotto
270
sharp thorn
then you can only do the 200
sharp thorn
reaching bb2 isn't that painful
stretching to b33 is going to be fun though
nobody has posted anything in the 30s yet
sharp thorn
you have to do most of it to reach r6
sharp thorn
it's a hazard gauntlet
sharp thorn
and b33 has 17500 hp 
wispy marten
B30 kicking my ass
languid quest
this is a bogus set up, at least at 1.3
swift maple
When do we skip B26/BB2
sharp thorn
It’s good income so only when you need to push i guess
swift maple
How the hell do you get this clear, it's 61 at 2.7?
sharp thorn
How the hell do you get this clear, it's 61 at 2.7?
did you try it
the shotguns teleport onto the vets and then get stalled by the fighters
swift maple
did you try it
Yes I tried it
I tried it multiple times
I would NEVER complain without experience
swift maple
any other oddities noticed?
I have not found the other gamebreaking bug, no
Oddities is 10% still isn't worth methinks
Give us the 20% and then balance next galaxy around that 😛
XD
languid robin
Give us the 20% and then balance next galaxy around that 😛
We get up to 2, 2% and 2.5% source later don't worry 
swift maple
Yeah I'll recheck
NOOOOOOOOOOO No B31 clears
I actually have to THINK?
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
timber swallow
I actually have to THINK?
dont hurt your self 😛
sharp thorn
I'm getting there
swift maple
Do you stop with B22 (D1) path at some point (until necessary again)
sharp thorn
I already popped F7
swift maple
From advisor but re-arranged
swift maple
I already popped F7
So you just don't go down B22, right?
I might pop it this run and save the FR to push next run
Yeah I have a 72.27 from advisor, thx though
sharp thorn
with what stats?
swift maple
2.925x
ancient basin
How do you even actually use the advisor, it never shows up for me
swift maple
You lose
Then it pops up
If it doesn't pop up, nobody has solved it with equal (or lower ???) stats
ancient basin
62.64
sharp thorn
might have to settle for 84.63 at 2.8x
ancient basin
nah, its b32
sharp thorn
what was the 31 layout?
swift maple
sharp thorn
ty
swift maple
Ok so yeah the 32 clear NEEDS those stats to even clear
I did it with 92.27 and I undid LOL
sharp thorn
73.01 with CL vets instead
sharp thorn
done
swift maple
Advisor is OP
atomic grotto
hmm
i feel like doing a few runs with F1 enabled ate my F1less clears after i stopped using it post-BB2
swift maple
Oh boy
heady cradle
I added a heavy cruiser to my fleet but i can't use it at bb1?
atomic grotto
@austere adder best clear doesn't seem to play very well with the optional support stations
swift maple
I added a heavy cruiser to my fleet but i can't use it at bb1?
You should be able to, send screenshot?
swift maple
<@119635852585336832> best clear doesn't seem to play very well with the optiona...
I've had some weirdness
Oh yeah
sharp thorn
75.83
heady cradle
I did. Shows.up on fleet screen
heady cradle
swift maple
Very weird, and mobile
heady cradle
Very mobile
swift maple
hit start better
Thx for contributing to my micro-optimizations of FR
austere adder
<@119635852585336832> best clear doesn't seem to play very well with the optiona...
what do you mean?
swift maple
May Sylv bless you
atomic grotto
i had several optimized layouts without F1
swift maple
i feel like doing a few runs with F1 enabled ate my F1less clears after i stoppe...
This
atomic grotto
but the game no longer saves them because i used F1 for 2-3 runs and then stopped
austere adder
i had several optimized layouts without F1
oh and it wont let you use them with it on?
atomic grotto
yeah
austere adder
oh wait they are fully gone you mean?
atomic grotto
well
swift maple
Yeah I can confirm?
atomic grotto
fully gone
swift maple
I've had weirdness with F1 after swapping a few times
austere adder
ok do you ahve backup saves
atomic grotto
um, sporadically
austere adder
I have a supicion but not sure on this, if you can send me a save as is now, then one that had at least one other run without it thatd be superhelpful
if not I can just recreate myself I think
swift maple
Ssame, RIP
atomic grotto
i have one from 30 minutes ago that ill check
heady cradle
Why can I not use my printed heavy cruiser anywhere?
hollow island
wat
ancient basin
Did you unlock it, or did you actually buy one in m1?
heady cradle
Both. See above screenie
Gonna try again from a full undo. Exiting game didn't fix anything
timber swallow
Both. See above screenie
might need 2nd run for it maybe
heady cradle
So bases cannot use advisor right?
This is the 2nd run. It let me but a ship at m1
Er buy
Strange. 9t will add the normal cruiser but not the heavy.
sharp thorn
ok well this is 172.92
still hunting for better
what's annoying is that mediums teleport to the furthest medium, not the furthest enemy
heady cradle
3rd try.... wtf... I have started fresh entry, restarted program, and i cannot use the heavy cruiser on bb1....
Or anywhere actually...
It takes the resources when I select at m1, but i can't use it anywhere
sharp thorn
Finally hit GF1 
austere adder
poor neglected GF
heady cradle
Halp
heady cradle
Si
austere adder
bugged atm, latest update once on mobile will fix
heady cradle
Phew
austere adder
for now try to find the little scroll bart on the right of the ships and scroll it down ><
you can get to it just hard to scroll that lol
swift maple
poor neglected GF
Just like in real life
swift maple
ok well this is 172.92
I can't see a better one?
sharp thorn
b29 is harder after disabling the hazard
swift maple
Clearing up some misconception that I personally had
My final time doing crew "proper", and the first and only time I'll be able to use the Mass Sleeve print
sharp thorn
I've never used it either
hollow island
cost slightly less artifacts
swift maple
Yes yes but you miss the siphon
glad iris
Yes
languid quest
feels like I'm just gonna end up sitting at s100 again after reinforcing for that node
prob gonna be able to push to 127 before i get it
swift maple
Then push?
The issue with "intentional mid-galaxy reinforces" is that people sit at S100
acoustic jetty
surely the first mid galaxy reinforce with the descalar makes pushing worth it?
if there's a second mid galaxy reinforce, then you get the s100 issue again
languid quest
well I don't know what's really in the later sectors but to me 127 seems like the limit with the key shard
acoustic jetty
the 50x scaling stats in sector 123
so you get an effective 3.1e8 x cap stats in sector 127 after the first reinforce
subtle sparrow
this isn't doable at all for me with 2.325
acoustic jetty
that;s kind of a lot
subtle sparrow
top mediums live, center medium lives, skirmishers still alive
chaotic system I know but this is a huge loss
acoustic jetty
sit up on your left buttcheek, hold your tongue between your teeth and squint
subtle sparrow
I can get this clear with 94.01
sharp thorn
this isn't doable at all for me with 2.325
do you have support on?
subtle sparrow
🤨
subtle sparrow
my message seemingly got eaten idk if discord bugged
swift maple
Yeah I deleted it, accidentally
subtle sparrow
but I was looking at practice B24 and there was no support
(that's because it's the wrong battle)
sharp thorn
as in you tried to slot in the 25 team in 24?
subtle sparrow
I tried the B25 layout in B25, didn't work, then accepted my 94.01 clear, went into practice mode to try and figure out how it works with 2.2x stats but chose the wrong battle to test in
gonna undo B25 and just spend on F4
sharp thorn
You on mobile?
stark pecan
😱 I wanted to steal someone's one-shot BB2 but no one to steal from
sharp thorn
You need like 2.4
atomic grotto
hey @austere adder could you double check this bb2 advisor? it worked for me on 0.3 but on 0.4 it's eating about 5 more FR now
probably related to the practice mode stuff you did in this version
although it does it in the non-practice too
oh well
austere adder
I get 68.89 when I try it
subtle sparrow
F2 Skip results - 2.325x Fleet Multiplier
Nodes B7/B7/B9/B10
33.92, 30.13, 84.6, 12.74 FR spent, total of 161.39
With Support:
5.05, 13.55, 13.27, 5, total of 36.87+100 for F2 for 136.87
F2 not viable to skip still at 2.325x
atomic grotto
I get 68.89 when I try it
beam heavy cruiser is still bad at 72.25, but it becomes 67.78 if i switch the heavy cruiser to non-beam
weird
i mean i do expect beam to be worse here, since there's not much time to keep a ramped beam on
but it's weird that it changed for me
austere adder
and I get the 74.49 if I do the other one
austere adder
ya
I think al the major bugs and inconsistencies are evened out
hopefully >.> <.<
the only major thing to do is the info saving reinforcement settings too I think right?
not really a bug just annoying
atomic grotto
there was the thing about F1 runs eating F1less layouts
austere adder
oh right ok
atomic grotto
there also seems to be an issue where if you do a better clear on a replay, then keep messing around, it'll only save that first better clear
i just went from 96 to 76.6, then from 76.6 to 75.8
it only saved the 76.6 (this is still on the regular mode, not practice mode), and i had to undo it and restart
B28 from top layout to bottom layout
then i moved the frigate in bottom layout from B2 to B4
austere adder
hmmmm
swift maple
I have ALSO had weirdness with first clears on a run being worse than my previous best, with everything else being equal
Not what Solan is describing but still, kinda related?
atomic grotto
you mean beyond the usual fighter chaotic system thing?
atomic grotto
missiles are also decently chaotic ime
atomic grotto
bleak burrow
speaking of 'advisor'. I've literally never had one that actually worked out for me. The last time I tried it suggested two fighters :/ Or am I misunderstanding how it works?
subtle sparrow
more than I thought
subtle sparrow
speaking of 'advisor'. I've literally never had one that actually worked out for...
you'll have to move the ships around, and advisor does work, had at least 2 helpful deploys today
languid robin
I've got 7.... I had a lot more but as people been optimizing more its went way down
subtle sparrow
Run 1: B1 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B2 Cleared, R1 Level 1, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, R1 Level 2, B6 Cleared
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, R2 Level 1, S1 Level 1, B7 Cleared, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared
Run 3: S1 Level 2, B10 Cleared, S2 Level 1
Run 4: F3 Unlocked, S1 Level 3, B11 Cleared, BB1 Cleared
Run 5: BB1 Cleared, S1 Level 4, B12 Cleared, R2 Level 2
Run 6: S2 Level 2, R3 Level 1
Run 7: HF Level 1, R2 Level 3, R1 Level 3, R3 Level 2
Run 8: R1 Level 4, R2 Level 4, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, R1 Level 5
Run 9: S1 Level 5, B16 Cleared, R3 Level 3
Run 10: B18 Cleared, R2 Level 5, R2 Level 6, R1 Level 6
Run 11: B19 Cleared, S2 Level 3
Run 12: BE Level 1, GF Level 1, R3 Level 4, R1 Level 7, R2 Level 7
Run 13: B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, S3 Level 2, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2
Run 14: S3 Level 3, R3 Level 5, B22 Cleared
Run 15: B23 Cleared, S4 Level 1, B24 Cleared, S4 Level 2
Run 16: F4 Unlocked, B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R5 Level 2, R5 Level 3, B27 Cleared, R1 Level 8
recovering from fleet fatigue a bit and digging down into fixing deployments instead of letting autorun do its thing
bleak burrow
huh - 34 entries here
hollow island
the advisor appears if someone else has cleared the battle with those ships and the same damage/health as you
bleak burrow
so how did I get two fighters as the recommendation? Bug, exploit?
hollow island
have you tried all 45 combinations yet?
bleak burrow
is there a base in G6 that two fighters would work? :/
atomic grotto
there are a few that are 5/10 so you could probably throw anything
atomic grotto
stark pecan
ah.
atomic grotto
would be nice if this got boosted to like x1.05 too
but at the same time, it's still miles better than x1.1 fighter
so it's whatever
hollow island
why does 1.1 fighter even exist
languid robin
I'll take your 1.1 fighter if you don't want it ❤️
subtle sparrow
damn BB2 layouts are lacking
if I had a nickel for every time I tried doing a node without knowing there was a support
this seems reasonably good
against the metric of "there aren't any other clears on the sheet and I looked in discord for pictures and used those for help"
acoustic jetty
end of last run FR that could have paid into beam:
25.68 FR
actually paid (cleared B2 instead for +10 scrap):
12.57 FR
End of this run:
subtle sparrow
tragic
acoustic jetty
and yet, behold:
subtle sparrow
man
Auto Run in Background didn't give me the improved FR savings from having higher stats
atomic grotto
this seems reasonably good
i had a 2.5 130+200
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did 700 + 1300 damage
fickle flame
ok the b9 battle sucks
told you :)
subtle sparrow
Auto Run in Background didn't give me the improved FR savings from having higher...
and seems like autorun in general just isn't giving me the FR I should be saving
fickle flame
autorun sucks
austere adder
man I should give a setting for a save at start of every galaxy run huh
fickle flame
I still dont'h ave it
fickle flame
man I should give a setting for a save at start of every galaxy run huh
honestly I think a 'save just before leaving' is better
acoustic jetty
is it that autorun is doing reinforcements with wrong weapons?
cause that doesnt save?
fickle flame
after all, you can undo to the start of the galaxy
subtle sparrow
autorun is fine if your stats don't change at all and it can save you time but
fickle flame
then you can avoid this shit
subtle sparrow
but now I need to go through each battle manually and run the battle for my FR savings
acoustic jetty
man I should give a setting for a save at start of every galaxy run huh
for my issue and miniboss, we would want a save at the end of a galaxy run
just before we push finish run, cause then you can still undo back to any point in that run
fickle flame
yeah
austere adder
I dunno how I can make it save before you finish lol
fickle flame
prestige saves -> same mechanic?
austere adder
ya but thats a good idea and im tired
acoustic jetty
kek w
acoustic jetty
i lost 5 FR somewhere from my last clear and had to scramble at the end
eventually got it!
glad iris
this seems reasonably good
I didn't take pictures, But I think I did a 3+3->2+2 cruiser clear
So I'd say this setup looks pretty good
winter goblet
they die together
fickle flame
mutual destruction
fervent zinc
who ruiined the spreadsheet with this nomenclature 😦
winter goblet
hmm
fickle flame
2025 is a good year (?)
winter goblet
where can I get Heavy cruiser beam?
atomic grotto
winter goblet
thank you!
atomic grotto
how many of you guys are at level 1 galaxy foothold
fickle flame
fun fact guys, shield regen enemies used to be 20% regen
atomic grotto
i'm still level 0 even though on g5 i got like 2-3 levels fairly early on
glad iris
You mean GF?
atomic grotto
lmao that sounds funny
fervent zinc
it's so expensive this time
glad iris
I'm at 1
fickle flame
how many of you guys are at level 1 galaxy foothold
I got one by accident when I was supposed to get BE and left the galaxy, and it went into GF
+1 run to get BE 😭
fickle flame
F7 is single use
glad iris
Don'y
atomic grotto
it looks funny
fickle flame
you shank b43 in one run and then don't touch it anymore
btw don't even think about b43 before F7
it's completely impossible
fervent zinc
well now I'm thinking about it
fickle flame
40 lasers doing 1000 damage each
fickle flame
fickle flame
well now I'm thinking about it
you can try
tepid imp
seems impossible without F7 yep
fickle flame
in other news: D3 should be reachable sometime around b42 being reached
fervent zinc
😦 how come I have no entries when I beat the advisor
fickle flame
I figured it out
fickle flame
😦 how come I have no entries when I beat the advisor
update to latest version
maiden pollen
any setup for B35?
fickle flame
I didn't update and I didn't have any and then today when I updated I got like 20
atomic grotto
advisor rejects old version uploads yeah
fervent zinc
oh he snuck in more patches
fickle flame
speaking of which, I think the advisors sylv told us to make in the beta version got deleted too
kek
atomic grotto
i did notice that you can smuggle previous best into new stats advisor
even if it's a chaotic fighter moment where 1.5 > 1.6 or whatever
it'll still upload as a 1.6 clear
fervent zinc
oh noes 😦
fickle flame
oh
atomic grotto
at least practice mode tells you the exact fr used
so you can reverse engineer and if it's off by <0.2 or something you can just go fighter moment and move on
fickle flame
actual strat to save time figuring out layouts is to run battle, practice battle to look for exact FR on advisor and then try beating it
atomic grotto
yea i've been doing that
fickle flame
sometimes there are easy optimisations you can do over the advisor
fickle flame
did you lose one
fickle flame
competition grows
fervent zinc
yay I'm recognized
atomic grotto
it's ok just add an achievement for 100 advisors right now
and then ill autoget it and not care about it anymore
tepid imp
anyone have b26 without support? xD
fickle flame
I don't really have the time to reverse engineer the layouts and optimise enough to get a lot of advisors
atomic grotto
i uh
fickle flame
just getting within like 5% more than the best is good enough
atomic grotto
don't think b26 is meant to be reasonable without support
fickle flame
anyone have b26 without support? xD
don't bother
tepid imp
ohh so it's hard node without support, okay xD.
tepid imp
gotcha
fickle flame
super not worth skipping F4 if you care about b26
if you do take F4 though you can clear it with like one armor tank cruiser ez
very funny
tepid imp
yeah need to go b26 for R5.
atomic grotto
fickle flame
bb2 and b26 are good scrap with F4, and it helpsa little with b25 too so it's usually worth it
fickle flame
probably less than me
tepid imp
you really love optimizing, If I can't kill a node, I just throw it on S or r node xd.
fickle flame
atomic grotto
it's the fun prog experience you can only get at the start of a new fleet galaxy
otherwise people already figure everything out a month in
tepid imp
kek
fickle flame
my next S costs 600
yep my policy is everything in S nodes unless I can't get a level in it but can get one in R nodes with the leftovers
atomic grotto
damn
fickle flame
and if I can't get another R node level, everything into S node
how good it is, idk but
in we go
tepid imp
with the buff on fast fueling, is it now worth getting? I reinforced only with b6 renovation
fervent zinc
apparently I have a bugged previous best 😦
fickle flame
anyways, I already beat g6 on the s123 FR so now with max s126 FR it's like super luxurious
fickle flame
with the buff on fast fueling, is it now worth getting? I reinforced only with b...
worth but if you already reinforced once less so
atomic grotto
apparently I have a bugged previous best 😦
reported
fervent zinc
if it's uploading... then someone is going to waste a lot of time on b7
fickle flame
how bugged is it
tepid imp
How many runs is that?
on my 44th run now.
fervent zinc
lower than anythign on the spreadsheet at any stats
atomic grotto
and you can't reproduce it?
fervent zinc
nope
atomic grotto
lol
fervent zinc
I get like double it
atomic grotto
i mean b7 you eventually get to 5/10
fickle flame
practice battle with the advisor
atomic grotto
so it's not that bad ig
glad iris
Was it a node with support fleet?
fervent zinc
it is a node with support
glad iris
Support was known to bug the first run at launch
fervent zinc
weird when I do a fight that just has no advisor
I'm so middle of the pack, how has no one done this
glad iris
Which one
fervent zinc
B9 at 1.7
glad iris
With support?
fervent zinc
ya
glad iris
fervent zinc
like b8 has an advisor
so... I guess that ugy bought an S node before he did b9...?
glad iris
What basic ship did you get at L1?
fervent zinc
fighter
glad iris
Well you're not getting my advisors at least
fervent zinc
4+ fleet runs a day is a lot... or am I just bored of USI this week... hmm
fervent zinc
yeah I have, which means I have to run 4+ fleet runs a day
perfectionism trumps the lazy sadly
how dare this advisor do the fight 1 FR better than me 😦
with the same ships
winter goblet
😦
fickle flame
which poor sod needed so many ships-
fervent zinc
that's more or less my previous clear, minus one ship. But it's not 1.6x and it was never going to be 77 FR lol
fervent zinc
sounds more reasonable, and probably like 120 FR
grave elm
is there any point where you stop to spend that 100 on support nodes?
fervent zinc
yeah
fleet surge
is there any point where you stop to spend that 100 on support nodes?
yes ofc
fervent zinc
F1 is about 1.4x
grave elm
okay guess im around that point - so i will try tonight
i reached the debris fields so far and started to cheap them down
geuss beam thingie is next stop
fleet surge
There's variance in hazard/support fire
found out the cause - need to change weapon on fighters
atomic grotto
i think the volley thing got fixed
hmm, maybe not, i think the beam bug took priority
glad iris
Beam bug still exists
atomic grotto
nice
fickle flame
partially fixed
austere adder
volley inconsistancy shoudl be fixed
beam bug (and apparently ultra rare non beam bug) gonna be one of those that lasts ages it seems lol
fervent zinc
it's what sylv gets for playing with chaos
oh there's no advisor for this fight 😦
... but there's a clear on the spreadsheet
oh now there's an advisor
what triggers the advisor showing up??
languid quest
isnt it lose a fight enough times?
fervent zinc
like 90% of the time it shows up after losing once
fleet surge
isnt it lose a fight enough times?
try losing with just a single ship or smth
fervent zinc
but I lost a lot of times here, and wona bunch more, and then suddenly it showed up when I was about to accept my fate
glad iris
Losing once should try show it if it exists
fickle flame
go to practice mode settings and click check advisor
languid quest
don't you need to win the fight at least once to get to practice mode?
fervent zinc
go to practice mode settings and click check advisor
why?
fickle flame
because you can see the advisor
fervent zinc
cant practice mode though
fleet surge
B11 improvement
S: 2.2x-15.67
fervent zinc
also the question was just what makes it show up, not how do I view it
fickle flame
just throw a ton of ships for quick and dirty clear and undo it later
regal plover
wait I don't have it..
fervent zinc
practice mode doesnt seem to think it has a hazard o.O
oh the spreadsheet is for b14 lol
regal plover
yeah, looks like someone messed up the spreadsheet
fervent zinc
wonder what screenshot is suppose dto be there
fervent zinc
more stats bad 😦
fleet surge
more stats bad 😦
there were hotfixes - some layouts start working differently
fervent zinc
nope. did it 5 minutes ago
fleet surge
u must be far ahead of me - 100-89 is expensive
fickle flame
well now I'm thinking about it
hi
regal plover
no one posted a B13 clear without the new ship 😦
fickle flame
sylv asked us to test it to confirm if it was
fervent zinc
effiency
fervent zinc
no
