backrow missiles...
#Unstable Transit
wild timber
dawn gate
if only I could like save this run to let me go back to main game controls till maybe someone tells me if there is even a layout switch I could do 😆
dawn gate
ah nice thx. Figured might be a cheevo for finishing 120, but it's leagues further then I had ever gotten
fervent turret
shower thought: what about speed upgrades?
fleet steppe
movement speed upgrades?
I think more often than not it'll be worse for the player, diluting the pool of damage/fire rate upgrade options
a little more choice over speed control might be nice but charge lasers/close range missiles might be enough
fervent turret
maybe add it to hull upgrade?
nova light
kind of worse, because the ones that actually have more hull and therefore benefit from it more are things like heavy cruiser, which are slow, and fighters which are fast basically don't benefit from hull at all
nova light
no, being slow is an advantage, because it means they don't rush to the front and get slaughtered
instead fighters can go first and cover for them
since enemies are as stupid as your ships are and only target closest
light verge
fighters practically have to be slotted in the back instead of in front
in most cases so they can do their shield task better
fervent turret
that's exactly what would make increased speed interesting on the bigger ships?
enables you to position differently
fervent turret
is triple burst (two burst upgrades) + the fleetwide burst upgrade from frigate detrimental?
nova light
the double tab ability has no downside on its own so... probably not?
light verge
that wasn't too bad
woeful zephyr
wow people did better than stage 23 cleared 😮
woeful zephyr
it's been a good few days for banking
dire bison
It's a shame we can't stack banked levels
fervent turret
-# 1 free instability for every 10 banked levels?
well maybe more like 20... or 50, idk
wild timber
that kind of defeats the purpose of banked levels existing in the first place
light verge
^
banked levels are used to skip
put an instability incentive on it and people will run the mode just to get more instability
fervent turret
... right?
light verge
the point being nobody will use the skip function if you put an incentive every 10 banked levels
because people will instead constantly go for banked levels
alpine hemlock
wouldnt mind the initial stacking idea though
fervent turret
the people who don't wanna spend extra time in UT would use the skips
what would be the point of stacking 60... 80... 200 skips
light verge
the people who don't wanna spend extra time in UT would use the skips
if that's what you think then you should doublecheck why people keep asking in these number go up discords what's the most optimal strategy to deal with things
answer: loss aversion
fervent turret
if that's what you think then you should doublecheck why people keep asking in t...
you should doublecheck how many people in this very discord express not wanting to play UT and use the most of their skips as possible
skips would absolutely still get used
by the people that want to skip
and people like me who don't really want to skip save for convenience, can get something out of pushing and limit testing and improving
light verge
you should doublecheck how many people in this very discord express not wanting ...
They're not incompatible thoughts
What this means is if you incentivize instability gain via active play people will be forced to play actively to maximize growth in the minimum amount of possible time
nova light
so what they already do
light verge
so what they already do
No, because using banked clears is equal to a full UT clear so long as people have 10 or so clears in stock
Putting instability gain per 10 clears will grant one more round of UT and so people will try gaming and playing it to hopefully get 20 clears regularly
wild timber
so what they already do
remember how pre-ut rework everyone was just waiting for the 2-3 mega optimizers to push a new high score so they could immediately copy it for 5% gains or whatever
it'll be like that again if banking super high stage gives you additional bonuses beyond qol
nova light
we'd like not to do that
dire bison
Agreed, kinda... But if we got back to back "more choices / duo / more mods" it would be awesome to be able to take advantage of that by building the bank up.
fervent turret
we'd like not to do that
what's the difference when people just blow skips to ignore anything but the "2-3 mega optimizers"
there isn't an incentive to actually play UT out as things stand
just hit 10, just get some banked skips, no effort/thought/challenge
for waiting a day or so for each one it's an underwhelming feeling
nova light
it's a tough balance between people who want more and people who don't care and just use 7 banked stages forever
fervent turret
truth
wild timber
i mean you can call it boring and too easy to hit s10 (which it probably is) but current ut still has like 500+ people a day
cerulean compass
UT is one of those features where some days I CBA with it cos I have other things I want to do with my time. Other days I absolutely love it and use a couple of banked ones b2b just for funsies.
UT reminds me of a game I used to play years ago though called Gratuitous Space Battles (https://store.steampowered.com/app/41800/Gratuitous_Space_Battles/ and https://store.steampowered.com/app/344840/Gratuitous_Space_Battles_2/) so it has large parts of nostalgia for me.
Ultimately though, I think UT does need some additional spice. The daily mod changes do keep things exciting and incentivised, but I'm not sure that stacking runs is the right answer.
Stacking is a convenience for those days when you're too busy - is that the intended purpose? Maybe? Turning it from a QoL to a scaling feature feels poor.
What about a drop system for alien artifacts that you use in a reward/upgrade tree? Every 5th wave a mini boss wave, every 10th a major boss wave, with increasing drop chances at rarer artifacts, maybe even unique upgrades at milestone waves. Using banked runs would yield lower %s
fleet steppe
love upgrade trees
don't want banked runs penalized, fleet is already a really high activity tab relative to the rest of the systems
woeful zephyr
the last several days runs really like giving us these 4 ships
fervent turret
sylv secretly stealth removed fighters from UT? 
nova light
I don't like frigates
wild timber
bold
lusty umbra
Was CL buffed?
empty cargo
yes
lusty umbra
Will every adviser setting with cl used need to be re-verified?
Or it's strict buff that it won't needed?
empty cargo
CL buff in UT only
alpine hemlock
sweet jesus
empty cargo
fun
alpine hemlock
id take it for laughs but im on stage 9
wild timber
tbh on s9 cruisers can still tank a couple volleys fine
idk if this is worse than a swarmer + sniper layout
alpine hemlock
i had two fighters, i wasnt risking it
nova light
stage cleared 0 🤔
fleet steppe
insane enemy loadout ngl
shell jasper
oh lol no extra ships expands the grid past 10 ><
nova light
beefy
wild timber
oh lol no extra ships expands the grid past 10 ><
charge laser snipe supremacy
nova light
good times
shell jasper
uh, probably a hard thing to like "notice" or remember I guess but
if you guys run into any interesting enemy arrangement that is not just "wowzers this sucks" toss it in here or something and I can use it for a normal galaxy battle lol
I dont even know what that would be but figured might as well watch for anything 
light verge
aye
but that is a devious enemy arrangement anyhow
bulwark for complete draw aggro
mediums for high damage on medium-sized units
and missiles for everything else
is this AI Total War when the AI decides to really screw you over?
nova light
if you guys run into any interesting enemy arrangement that is not just "wowzers...
using rng to generate ideas as was meant to be
fleet steppe
The Unstable Transit of Babel
dire bison
More run modifiers like this please 🙂
dawn gate
never noticed till afgter my last run that the run moidifiers change maybe every day or least when one does a run or otherwise buys an upgrade. Had balance my last time which explains why couldn't get fighter buffs to appear reliably
could've beaten the final one that gives a cheevo if hadn't picked fighters teleport to back cause enemy setup was built to counter that hard
fervent turret
I just avoid teleport now
even with heaps of barrier it just results in enemy deleting your fleet
I think it's maybe more interesting with "no extra ships"
woeful zephyr
I think teleport still works with missile fighter mono
fervent turret
kinda surprised myself getting this far on this
nova light
more mods is pretty good
river flax
Oh yeah there's a very rare here, yay
OH, I thought More Mods was +1 CHOICE every 3rd, not "an additional upgrade"
Yeah wow
nova light
more mods not more choice
obsidian glade
I didn't get the extreme stage 10 clear achievement D:
Oh fuck I had fragile on ffs
Welp time to do that again
nova light
thats pretty impressive
obsidian glade
:D
Yeah I had a great combo with charge laser in the back and teleporting missile fighters in the other back
I just kinda assumed the 1hp was part of extreme lol
I really like teleporting fighters lol
nova light
the hardest part is just not getting chipped on stage 3 when enemy types first differentiate and you get your first weapon pick
if you're unlucky, it's just impossible
obsidian glade
yeah thats true it can be rough
nova light
like you can get front row swarmers back row missiles a shotgun and fighter in between and then now what
die
obsidian glade
rip
cerulean compass
More run modifiers like this please 🙂
more mods like this one please ;P
barrier > QCLs > Fire rate > damage > range
fleet steppe
29 super good
missiles at this stage just delete my fleet with each volley
I think a single hull upgrade would actually matter here, missiles do 30.1 damage, corvettes are still at their base 30
dire bison
NICE! 29's awesome
fervent turret
you didn't get barrier for corvettes either, huh?
I got to 30, burned all my rerolls, accepted fate
lusty umbra
how burst fire works with beam?
fervent turret
how burst fire works with beam?
#1335902304959987733 message
scroll up a bit for more convo
dire bison
more mods like this one please ;P
Indeed 🙂
The ship improvement bonus was a trap, wasn't worth facing the missile enemies in stage 30 😦
wild timber
i think im just gonna keep spamming stage 0 1st runs to get to see how many people are doing ut
shell jasper
wowzers over 1k?
shell jasper
looks like ~150 each for the other galaxies
nova light
sure looks like im dead
nova light
The ship improvement bonus was a trap, wasn't worth facing the missile enemies i...
at the end I was rerolling for as few missile enemies and mediums as possible and got an extremely stinky layout xd
fervent turret
WTF is this...
that layout managed to beat it, crazy weird to me how bad that prior result was
nova light
sounds about right
I've done stage layouts that moved like 2 ships and went from 300 to 0 damage taken
fervent turret
I also don't think this works for UT at all
fights vs bases are one thing but things go so fast in UT you barely get to shoot twice and the fight's over even with missile launchers
nova light
I mean yeah it sucks so don't click it
it's actually a lot better for beam laser since tickrate doesn't get debuffed
fervent turret
game really just said "screw your run"
nova light
next time don't click on the enemy layout that has 4 missiles
obsidian glade
Fewer choices no extra ships is rough
fleet steppe
I also don't think this works for UT at all
I actually had a decent run with one of these
I had a missile cruiser that had a wiping volley despite not having to upgrade it that much
I think it's pretty bad most runs but it did work out for me one time
nova light
Someone cleared 30, we all got bumped down it looks like lol
bullocks
I did think 30 was clearable, I had a couple rerolls left to fish for better enemy configuration
nova light
you could just do a simulation
woeful zephyr
you could just do a simulation <:USIShrug:1288517050708529224>
yeah, but that doesn't give you banked stages or advance your record stages cleared for non-simulated
nova light
oh right
fervent turret
why do I keep doing this
closest I managed was killing 1 sniper
on frickin' stage 3
dire bison
10 ships/16 guns vs 46 ships/guns? Perfectly balanced lol
woeful zephyr
3 runs today.. they were ALL none somehow
obsidian glade
I feel like if I reroll a rare/very rare it should stay rare
I've seen a bunch of other roguelikes handle it like this and I think it makes sense
nova light
let's ignore the fact that rerolling the base mod for barrier projection is way better than every other options
cerulean compass
missiles at this stage just delete my fleet with each volley
Yeah missiles wreck havoc!
cerulean compass
Indeed 🙂
oooo interesting, you took my first spot, but with exact same results. Wonder how it decides draws then. Latest to do it? Alphabetically?
dire bison
I think I shared it, not took it 🙂
cerulean compass
bless you, kind person
dire bison
I'm a giver!
cerulean compass
I'll take a 2nd 😄
woeful zephyr
if you tie you all get the same rank
nova light
and interestingly I still have rank 2 but so.. do you...?
oh it seems to be a tie
dire bison
minibosstank (and probably others) also shared it. We were 1st place when I matched you, but moved down to 2nd by the time he joined us
nova light
nice
cerulean compass
minibosstank (and probably others) also shared it. We were 1st place when I matc...
ahhhhh got it
2nd place gang 🙌
dire bison
Shame we don't see the top score. Was it 30? 32?
cerulean compass
aye, would love to know
nova light
probably not past 30, because the enemy difficulty scaling doubles again
it doubles every 10 stages
dire bison
ahh
cerulean compass
ohhh damn, no wonder 30 wooped my behind
or would it be 31 would scale uup?
1-10 (10 stages), 11-20, 21-30
nova light
beating 30 seemed possible with a better enemy layout but 31 definitely would be over
nova light
or would it be 31 would scale uup?
I don't quite remember but I think so
like you see beating stage 10 is 'about intended' so no extra scaling but from then on it gets harder faster
dire bison
playing mono cruiser with close missiles. Have 14 ranks in range, and my third row still can't fire a single shot before the match it over
river flax
31 the scaling is increased, yes
woeful zephyr
I wonder when the next time getting to 30 will be possible in non-simulated..
obsidian glade
We need public leaderboards
woeful zephyr
We need public leaderboards
but then you have to name yourself in the game
or I guess it could take the discord name
empty cargo
what about web players
woeful zephyr
they get some weird number
obsidian glade
but then you have to name yourself in the game
Thats fine, my name is 000adcd8-0c64-4635-8263-03fe3df9f082
woeful zephyr
unless Sylv implements a way to name yourself in game
obsidian glade
That never went awry ever
woeful zephyr
That never went awry ever
empty cargo
average day in #1335902304959987733
obsidian glade
ah good old bobby tables
shell jasper
stage 20 looks like. I could maybe just put like the first place score somewhere
wild timber
blorp
shell jasper
oh no we were under 1k on the 18th very sadge :*(
torpid oriole
did well today
shell jasper
oh no extra ships always seems funny ><
nova light
oh no we were under 1k on the 18th very sadge :*(
feel like on none days there would be fewer people willing to play
wild timber
yeah no extra ships is arguably the second best modifier after duo
not only is it effectively the same as more mods because you don't "lose" a mod every 2 stages to having to add extra ships to your roster
but it also means you can very consistently screen ships on your side, esp with charge snipe
light verge
no extra ships is great because you don't get butt-screwed by additional ships
light verge
What if you like getting butt screwed
fervent turret
😐
ofc as soon as I post I manage a winning layout... and I don't understand how it works
fervent turret
same mods and half the distance I got...
wild timber
xd
shell jasper
your performance is real hit or miss :P
shell jasper
ofc as soon as I post I manage a winning layout... and I don't understand how it...
space battles are just too complicated smh
fervent turret
lowkey I kinda wish there were practice mode options for no player/enemy scaling, just more/bigger enemy ships as you advance in stages, and periodic additional ship choices for players if not using 'no extra ships'
maybe the point of using that to understand tactical placement better, would be moot because scaling is present everywhere else, though
shell jasper
ya wouldnt apply much at last for UT stuff since that scaling is so assymetrical and wonk
kinda does for normal galaxies though since you usually can be even statted with enemy comps for most part even if thats not always the case
obsidian glade
I would love a full-on sandbox mode though
Placing ships wherever I want, setting scaling myself
nova light
maybe the point of using that to understand tactical placement better, would be ...
the whole point of simulation is basically that
obsidian glade
Just to play around
nova light
but a full sandbox mode is fun
obsidian glade
-# I think something like that already exists in the debug build
nova light
rip all cl run
woeful zephyr
ofc as soon as I post I manage a winning layout... and I don't understand how it...
That describes all of fleet
woeful zephyr
space battles are just too complicated smh
Real space battles aren't 2D. They aren't even 3D cause they take place in 4D spacetime with relativistic effects.
dire bison
Is exploitation considered the better base ability compared to barrage?
wild timber
yea, way higher coverage and even if it was the exact same boost on average i'd prefer it because fire rate can still overcap when ships are out of range
dire bison
Thanks 🙂
fleet steppe
phase enemies would solo your fleet if you didn't hard pick disruption weapons every single game
woeful zephyr
phase enemies would solo your fleet if you didn't hard pick disruption weapons e...
maybe enemies which can only phase once and then they're done phasing?
or twice or whatever
nova light
maybe enemies which can only phase once and then they're done phasing?
so... barrier with extra steps
light verge
I would love a full-on sandbox mode though
ah yes the total war military vs peasants inside a garrison grindset
obsidian glade
Precisely
obsidian glade
i hate balance i hate balance i hate balance
dire bison
"balance" lol I've gotten 4 burst for the corvette, zero for the frigate
bitter umbra
well this be the end
had horible enemy rerolls
either missiles or gatling enemies
WAIT IM ALIVE
now im dead
:D
that was only top ten
nova light
zam
woeful zephyr
my record breaking run only got me to rank 80 lol
and it didn't slightly break my previous record, it broke it by a long shot
river flax
Are hull boosts "good"
Lovely
Barrier Projection + Burst Fire 🤯
Got baited into rare but bad pick rip ME
Didn't get Versatile but was looking
fleet steppe
Are hull boosts "good"
generally no, I don't think anyone has done math on particular breakpoints but damage/fire rate are generally accepted as better
fleet steppe
29 super good
one hull upgrade on corvettes helps them live against one missile from a stage 27 missile ship which is something I guess
hull boost on cruiser for hull bomb is fine
dire bison
hull boost + ship upgrade, or just hull boost? For vettes
If hull boosts scaled somehow, instead of flat rate of base ship, they would be more attractive. Especially for the hull bomb abilities. If forced to pick between hull and range, though, I almost always pick range (which also needs improved to be attractive)
fleet steppe
hull boost + ship upgrade, or just hull boost? For vettes
corvett is base 30 hull, and the missiles on stage 27 were doing 30.1, so I needed any hull upgrade - full ship upgrade would have worked too
might be nice to know damage thresholds for mediums, snipers, maybe even gatlings to know if hull boost gives you an extra hit on some stages
dire bison
That wouldn't be too difficult to figure out, but would take a good bit of time and focus
fleet steppe
it also isn't some golden rule, mixed engagements means those thresholds will be very messy, outside of clear conditions like a sniper or medium stalls
I don't enjoy Unstable Transit enough to dedicate the time to finding that out
dire bison
I started playing with ranged numbers a while back, to see when certain weapons would let me get close enough to attack enemy snipers at their 1200 range. Most were mid 20 ranks of range, lowest was 15, and close missiles at least had 30 ranks before I couldn't beat the level and were only at 955.35 range.
think only fighters can use those effectively in mono testing, thanks to teleport
I think if hull/range worked off of current max hp/range instead of base, that'd make them a choice instead of a "never click this upgrade button." Or if instead of a flat one time boost they activated/improved an increase-over-time function. So a 600 range weapon with 1 rank in weapon range would get 605 next level, 610 the following, and so on. With two ranks, it would gain 10 per level, etc. Had a lot of games where the C row never fired a shot because A/B killed everything before C got into range, or C row never fired a shot until A/B had already been wiped out because C wasn't there to help in time and C gets to face the entire enemy force. Especially vs missile/sniper in enemy back row with their 1000/1200 range
fervent turret
this is cursed
managed a solution
@shell jasper you wanted to know about interesting layouts yeah? this maybe is one
I wouldn't say no to having like... +2 retries
shell jasper
<@119635852585336832> you wanted to know about interesting layouts yeah? this ma...
hmmm what make sit awkward? the fighters coming in late or?
fervent turret
idk about awkward it just was interesting working out how to beat it with positioning
nova light
interesting layout moment
fervent turret
but also one of those that makes me begrudge being outnumbered lol
never found barrier so that run fell over a few stages later
bitter umbra
Honestly, i really like no extra ships as it keeps the enemy sizes down aswell
torpid oriole
duo is king
nova light
dang, I missed out on it cause I was busy making the capital synth chart
empty cargo
synth addict
fervent turret
is it just me or does CL feel bad on the cruiser in particular?
wild timber
ok yeah, perception of run mods is definitely off compared to how good stuff is in practice
dire bison
Maybe. I cleared 26 on 8-24. I don't think I'll run UT until this weekend unless the mods look really good, I'm still at 18 banked.
terse night
I personally hate unstable transit. I just try getting to 15ish, finish, and then using all my charges complete the 3+ others
If it were a bit more controllable it'd be more interesting.
bitter umbra
thats why its pretty easy to get to 10
nova light
there's no smart targeting, but is there anything that determines where they move towards besides closest enemy? #sector-124-131 message
nova light
they move toward nearest same class, shoot any threats in range
also using same calculations for nearest/farthest enemies?
shell jasper
same calculation?
nova light
same calculation?
#sector-124-131 message
shell jasper
they perfer some targets in the sense of the same size class. (fighter, corvette, frigate) and (cruiser, heavy cruiser)
shell jasper
they shouldnt
river flax
Ayyy
fervent turret
passing thought: what if teleport had a button here that let you turn it on or off as desired?
obsidian glade
You pick teleport, you better know what youre doing
fervent turret
teleport is exceptional though in that it genuinely hurts you more than it helps you
because you can't really control when/where to use it
obsidian glade
Its weird tho because I feel like some of my best runs were with teleporting fighters
They distract the enemies so perfectly
Especially snipers
obsidian glade
I mean yeah
shell jasper
oh I need a ut mode that starts with fleet teleport lmao
bitter umbra
oh I need a ut mode that starts with fleet teleport lmao
honestly, would be funny
Overcharged
Every Friendly Ship has fleet teleport.
lol
or could go for Ludicrous Speed
for the meme
bitter umbra
seeing swarmers with fighters would be funny
shell jasper
if there was a few funny ones could be a mode that randoms which one
kinda how balance chooses the ships randomly
bitter umbra
Could have a Randomized Weapons Modifier
Would also be interesting to see a potential Hazard Ship in the next UT galaxy. Provides a Hazard for the entire Match till its is destroyed.
wild timber
in practice tp is basically just like having another reroll
even if on average it gives you net value, it can still turn favorable engagements into unfavorable ones
dire bison
fun in mono fighters. Eliminates the need for range upgrades. I never pick it in actual play, though.
light verge
**Overcharged**
Every Friendly Ship has fleet teleport.
Nothing personal
nova light
Nothing personal
wild timber
**Overcharged**
Every Friendly Ship has fleet teleport.
Overcharged - Every friendly ship teleports every 5 seconds
Gridlocked - Every tile has a random grid bonus each round, including enemy tiles
Final Exam - Extreme + No Choice + 9001 resets
it would be funny if you could pay 1 reset to move 1 enemy unit around
dire bison
or delete one enemy unit. As long as we don't change the rate that we earn them, it wouldn't make a huge actual impact, but it sure would feel like it did
nova light
enemy spawns are related to our ships so
nova light
**Overcharged** - Every friendly ship teleports every 5 seconds
**Gridlocked** -...
realistically teleport doesn't do anything after the first couple rounds
shell jasper
Neat
obsidian glade
which run is that lol
nova light
what the f
let's go gambling
wild timber
which run is that lol
first of the day
obsidian glade
oh wow yeah I see it
nova light
I should do this one, it's interesting
remote rain
Nice.
obsidian glade
damn nice
torpid oriole
fervent turret
dang, I'd have liked to keep trying this fight, felt like I was getting close a couple times
-# technically I can close & reopen the game but that's cheesing
woeful zephyr
dang, I'd have liked to keep trying this fight, felt like I was getting close a ...
wow I guess all CLs is the new winning strategy, always
the old missile fighters work well but not as well as CLs now
fervent turret
honestly I feel like a big part of CLs winning is just keeping your own ships at a distance and being able to fire back at sniper/missiles
it's part of why I feel like teleport is sabotage, it just means the enemies all focus fire and delete you instantly
this fight was hard because the bulwark was grabbing CL attention too soon/too long, if I did it again I might try railguns on the cruisers but not sure if the range would be there (maybe the rapid CLs instead of the snipe?)
plus I spent a bunch on cruiser hull here hoping for cruiser bomb, never found it
woeful zephyr
When I go all CLs I go all snipe and put my ships as far back as possible
Seems to work decently well
Especially with corvettes
remote rain
Yea I went long range CL on the cruisers and TP fast CL on the fighters.
fleet steppe
wow I guess all CLs is the new winning strategy, always
got to stage 23 just fine with missiles 😎
misclicked on one fight where I took a lot of damage, it was a tough layout but probably could have reduced the damage
round 23 Hard scaling shot up super fast though, went from mostly ok round 22 to impossible 23
light verge
hard to argue with CLs since they outrange most enemies, which it should be like that
fighters are still pretty weak with them though
remote rain
I just used TP fighters for distraction mostly.
Didn't really care about their damage, it was the long CL cruisers that were pumping for this seed.
dire bison
CL Snipe, no TP/HB, vaguely kept upgrades even between fighters and cruisers but started favouring cruisers more towards the end. At 20+ I picked the upgrade with more focus on what enemies to face vs what upgrade to get. Skirmishers bad, missiles/snipers good
river flax
realistically teleport doesn't do anything after the first couple rounds
I would like to be able to explicitly disable Teleport
river flax
passing thought: what if teleport had a button here that let you turn it on or o...
Oh, this
wild timber
nova light
Mono be like
mono oh no
empty cargo
what
wild timber
when are we getting regen bulwarks in ut
nova light
never, that's op
fleet steppe
Bulwarks my beloathed
wild timber
damn only 710 yesterday
lowest i've seen by like 200
must be because everyone is getting ready for SILKSONG tomorrow
shell jasper
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo we slippin
obsidian glade
maybe just boring modifiers on those days
river flax
Nice rank
obsidian glade
nice
shell jasper
were back, before
fervent turret
this fight just curbstomps me no matter what I try and results in full base death 😐
mods were fewer choices & more mods
woeful zephyr
yay 😄
cerulean compass
my goodness - what on earth is this wave... cannot get anywhere near beating it... it's wave 8 for crying out loud. Those missiles are too good
wave 10 had 3 bulwarks, easier than that wave 8 😮
woeful zephyr
so Sylv tried to balance UT after everyone was picking all missiles and now everyone's picking all CLs it seems 😂
probably CL snipe specifically
cerulean compass
yeah, I default to CLS whenever I can... CLS + fire rate stats + barrier/rapid fire = winning
I wasn't at UT when it was missiles meta
but the receiving end of it hurts :S
shell jasper
Ez fix can just revert lol
cerulean compass
fleet steppe
I wonder if the introduction of Heavy Cruisers made frigates indirectly worse (for UT)
It's one more ship type with only two ships for less aoe/multi targeting
fervent turret
I keep thinking about mixing MLs and CLs but then I always second guess myself on what ships to put them on
you need the ML ships to be able to take a couple extra hits (e.g. barriers) because they get closer, you can't spam hull reliably enough outside of mono, if you get frigates you neeeeeed them to be snipe CLs, the cruiser/HC both also die much too fast if they get closer, but fighters/corvettes will also just melt without heaps of barriers...
the fact that CLs slows your ships's speed, on top of raising their range, feels actually so beneficial
and I think it's because the thing that matters most is staying out of missile/sniper range as long as possible... which is a bit :\
when it's not mono/duo, my runs are feeling pretty heavily dominated by whether or not I can collect barrier upgrades on all 4 ships
dire bison
From my games, it's almost completely about range. There are multiple weapons that take 25-30 range upgrades before they can attack a sniper that's attacking them. Close missiles are only 955 range (245whatevers away from the sniper) after 30 upgrades. And the only way to get that many is under simulation settings, basically, testing mono runs. By that time, range doesn't matter since we gimped out damage output so much from the 30 missing damage upgrades. Not being able to attack ships that one-shot mine doesn't give me much incentive to ever pick a different weapon. 3rd layout row makes this problem worse.
fervent turret
that's why I'd want to mix in the CL to deal with that
but then you get these weird combos that just melt you
nova light
now that's an interesting layout
fervent turret
welp, never found any barriers, so I guess I should be happy I got this far
tired blaze
is the strat still to avoid picking big ships?
woeful zephyr
not bad
woeful zephyr
nice 😄
nova light
almost
nova light
almost always 1
tired blaze
I'll take it.
dire bison
Twins!
fleet steppe
Stage 3 choice of barrier vs fleet wide fire rate on corvette...
nova light
depends on what the barrier is on
fervent turret
especially if you aren't using beam/CL on the corvette
nova light
corvettes or fighters? yes
frigates or cruisers? no
fervent turret
it's still good on frigate/cruisers if possible
lousy sniper randomly deciding to aggro one of them over a more disposable target
woeful zephyr
I end up with cruisers making the last stand with all CL snipe crew, so yeah, it can be useful
they don't make a very good last stand but it's something
woeful zephyr
🤔
dire bison
I wish I could burn through these fast enough to have 3 scores at once visible lol
woeful zephyr
I wish I could burn through these fast enough to have 3 scores at once visible l...
I don't burn through mine lol
dire bison
I cash my paycheck after I work, too 😛
woeful zephyr
I save the banked stages for whenever I'm not actively at my computer
otherwise I do an active run, no matter what I have banked
dire bison
I refresh ahead of time if there are killer modifiers going on 🙂
woeful zephyr
I refresh ahead of time if there are killer modifiers going on 🙂
refresh?
like you bank a bit in case there are awesome modifiers?
woeful zephyr
maybe I should do that
not that it's needed to get 7425 every run
I'm still massively behind on these..
despite not using all my banked stages down to 10
dire bison
with the damned diminishing return system, it won't be long till I stop bothering at all and just take the 7 stage freebie. The difference is already getting pretty low
woeful zephyr
with the damned diminishing return system, it won't be long till I stop botherin...
not going for 135?
increasing cap battle helps a lot towards that
still with diminishing returns, but there aren't a lot of alternatives
dire bison
I doubt I'll hit 135 before patch, but we'll see. Right now a 10 clear gives me a x1.0110 vs a 7 at 1.0077 so it's still worth hitting the 10. But with every upgrade those numbers get closer together. %wise, keeping the same flat value already has diminishing returns, this double dipping is ... rough.
woeful zephyr
I'm apparently below 1% for cap battle now 🙁
dire bison
<laughing> Give a 10th grade kid, me, and Warren Buffett each $100 and the impact differences are already huge, but give the kid $100, me $1, and Warren a penny and it's just some joke
woeful zephyr
for the full 10 stage max
dire bison
Not sure when I'll hit the 1%, I'm close at 2.05e5
woeful zephyr
Not sure when I'll hit the 1%, I'm close at 2.05e5
dire bison
median marlin
Hmmm
I was told that Damage is basically the king here, but I might've misunderstood
Does Fire Rate count as part of that, or is it just the Damage only that you want to roll for?
woeful zephyr
I've been taking both and prioritizing the one that increases DPS more.. 🤔
dire bison
fire rate helps a LOT more in the beginning. After the first 5 or 6 levels (stages) I go with whichever has the higher dps gain
woeful zephyr
UT Classic™
median marlin
fire rate helps a LOT more in the beginning. After the first 5 or 6 levels (stag...
Oh, interesting, I'll have to consider that then
dire bison
The type of enemy matters with this, of course. But if you're already 1 shotting skirmishers (for instance) and you're facing a few groups of them, being able to fire quicker will help clear them while firing at more power per shot will not benefit you.
Kind of like hull bomb being really powerful in the beginning but not in later stages.
woeful zephyr
UT sure likes giving UT classic lately
nova light
oh my good lord those missiles are unkillable
nova light
in the end, the damage wasn't too much as long as all the shotguns and the mediums were killed
it was only the missiles left alive at the end
anyways I was just doing a quick run to spend instability
river flax
Yay, a Very Rare
woeful zephyr
well this is a nice set of 5 day ranks
shell jasper
huh, some quirk of timing maybe? did they do that if you put them in a different starting slot that sitll tps to sniper?
wild timber
i think missile default behavior is to shoot 1 missile per enemy in range, since the snipers are still getting plinked here
bitter umbra
yeah
wild timber
even if the missile does like, 2% of the enemy hp
bitter umbra
i belive thats how it is
woeful zephyr
wait sola put beam laser on two of the ship types? 😮
and on cruiser of all things? 😮
nova light
hey beam laser is actually pretty good
nova light
why do they ignore the sniper...
the sniper also ignores them...
shell jasper
oh ya your right I didnt see th emissiles hit those snipers
wild timber
well you can see it starting to turn to the fighters but they all die between sniper shots so it doesn't get any off
dire bison
hey beam laser is actually pretty good
Agreed, I really like it. I think it needs some slight tweaking to fill the niche, but overall it is decent.
nova light
oh right, the snipers don't turn when they change target, only when they shoot...
dire bison
I'd like to see attack speed increase rate of damage ramping up on it, for instance
nova light
just make firerate also increase tickrate on beam laser
dire bison
I thought it did?
nova light
noooooooooooope
dire bison
dire bison
I think it always did, but didn't show in tooltip - but that could just be my memory glitching
nova light
it was probably during spaceversary
I kind of forget there's actually been updates since g6
eoc moment
dire bison
Here's my gripe. 24 (25 if you count ship improvement) range upgrades and I can still be attacked by ships that I can't fire back upon
nova light
snipers only have 1100 range innit
dire bison
No, the missiles are 1000 and the snipers are 1200
nova light
mauybe it was 1100 and 1300 and they were nerfed
dire bison
Could be, truthfully I don't remember
bitter umbra
would be interesting to see a UT beam upgrade which makes the enemies weaker
Exploitation beam, similar effect to the base effect
dire bison
That would be cool. Each weapon be able to apply a debuff, would encourage mixing weapon types. Dunno how much the system can track
nova light
that is a lot of swarmers
woeful zephyr
I'm pretty sure I've had more, many times
woeful zephyr
rank 1 stuck 🎉
shell jasper
noice
dire bison
I love that we flex differently 🙂
woeful zephyr
I love that we flex differently 🙂
why does only 1 of them say z69?
how does it decide when to put that on?
dire bison
Good question, I'm not sure. The days before it didn't have that either
That might have been the day I had a windows update? So had to restart the game
🤷
woeful zephyr
stil missing a bunch of these despite running UT a lot..
woeful zephyr
🤔
autumn fossil
stil missing a bunch of these despite running UT a lot..
if you actually care, ships per fuel is almost certainly maximized with g6 (currently). which will also progress the galaxy entrances counter - that isn't incremented from UT
woeful zephyr
if you actually care, ships per fuel is almost certainly maximized with g6 (curr...
I think ships per fuel is maximized by simulated, since it uses 0 fuel 😆
simulated UT that is
autumn fossil
true. but realistically, how much do you simulate ;p
woeful zephyr
well I don't run galaxies either cause what's the point?
it takes away from UT artifacts too, so it's even worse than simulated
nova light
however it's much healthier for your sanity
woeful zephyr
however it's much healthier for your sanity
cause it's all automated? I guess
or I could just wait until G7 😆
which is even better for sanity
nova light
fuel has to go somewhere...
nova light
at this point I can't be bothered to do too many UT runs... well, also been busy for a while
woeful zephyr
at this point I can't be bothered to do too many UT runs... well, also been busy...
I guess you can get away with about 1 real run and roughly 4 banked runs (or however many depending on how well you're doing) and still get the 10 stage max, which means less actual UT runs done
dire bison
dire bison
snipes. Barrier on both ships + base barrier. Really got hurt by only having 1 burst and 2 grid bonus, though. Had to heavily rely on rerolls starting from the very first selection
woeful zephyr
🤔 I had a similar loadout
also CL snipers
must be luck with picking the order of stuff right
dire bison
Think I got 10 attack speed on vettes before their first damage T_T
woeful zephyr
damn, pretty different than me
I also prioritized corvette upgrades which might have been the wrong thing to do
dire bison
I didn't really prioritize, tried to keep them balanced. But didn't have the option for about half the choices - hp/hp/range/speed was very common
woeful zephyr
interesting that balanced did better 🤔
usually stacking is better I think
also I avoided range upgrades
cause snipe already has plenty of range
dire bison
depends on what you're up against. And yeah - agreed. Snipe has enough range to not need ranged upgrade. EVERY OTHER DAMN WEAPON has so little range that you're dead by the time you get enough range upgrades to do anything.
But vettes prio the small baddies and HCs prio the big baddies. So position them so that they run interference on the opposite baddy types, see if that helps.
woeful zephyr
run interference?
I guess since they target different types, balancing helps cause of that
dire bison
yes
and the mirror seems true... big baddies target my HCs, and so on
So if those hexagon guys have to travel from the top to the bottom because of where I put my HCs, that whole field of fire is a great place to line up the other guns. As soon as the smalls get dead, those hexes are the next prime target
the bulwarks get ignored as they crawl towards my HCs lined up in the back, then all the sudden the vettes they passed turn around and whack them from all sides because the swarmers and snipers died off.
etc
dire bison
or "hard"
wild timber
i don't actually know how much hard increases difficulty by stage like 15 tbh
dire bison
I dunno either, but I avoid that one if possible
nova light
interesting that balanced did better 🤔
on duo, balanced is good enough
nova light
and the mirror *seems* true... big baddies target my HCs, and so on
reverse is true, all ships will target same size class
bitter umbra
people really are scared of no extra ships
no extra ships are amazing lol
autumn fossil
but muh single-digit fps missile fighters
woeful zephyr
yay 🙂
nova light
how curious
dire bison
What was your basic strat?
nova light
curious because I didn't really have one beyond the usual 'just take damage/firerate/rare mods'
and uh, snipe charge lasers
dire bison
been tying with rapid beams in sims, liking more than the splits. But I want to find a way to add in some range before getting overwhelmed to allow 2nd/3rd ranks to join the fight
nova light
I remember sola doing some math and showing rapid beam is generally worse than default beam lol
dire bison
I think it is after so many tics, but that was so high that I figure I'm dead anyway at that point haha
or maybe damage increase, not tics. It was a while ago
nova light
anyways if I tried harder, one or two more stages is definitely possible
dire bison
3
nova light
maybe
dire bison
that's what I got
so better luck on rerolls could have pushed even higher.
I didn't even get burst one one ship, and had 2 bonus tiles total by the end
woeful zephyr
is there a way to see what the run modifiers are after you've already started and it's not the first run of the day?
oh never mind found it
woeful zephyr
is it possible to cram more modifiers in?
dire bison
technically? yes. 1 more.
drifting hinge
if i have charge laser fighters what do yall think i should run for heavy cruisers, beams, missiles? something else?
dire bison
I prefer keeping either all energy or all kinetic, so I wouldn't get missiles. Beam or CL would be my choice
CL will often be "more powerful" but the craptastic range of beam might let your cruisers get in front of the fighters to absorb shots for them
drifting hinge
interesting, why do you prefer not mixing?
CL cruiser and fighter feels... vaguely unsettling to me but im not sure why
nova light
CL fighter is just weird already
drifting hinge
what i love my CL fighters
nova light
fighters are anti-snipers, not snipers 
drifting hinge
they can be both!!!
nova light
interesting, why do you prefer not mixing?
so you don't get a mix of enemy types
drifting hinge
wait it works like that? i thought it just sassed you however it wanted
really makes you wonder how ive ever gotten a top rank in this heh
dire bison
You get up to 1 of the "other" type, I believe
drifting hinge
ahh interesting
dire bison
and however many vanilla ones they want to send your way
drifting hinge
i still dont quite get beams, like you need them for those blockers but arent they kind of weak otherwise?
ive tried both kinds and they both felt sort of clunky and wierd
nova light
well you don't really need them because they don't regen in UT
drifting hinge
well double CL it is then, wish me luck
dire bison
I REALLY like beams. They just need some minor tweaking imo
woeful zephyr
fighters are anti-snipers, not snipers <:Sylv_NotLikeThis:1181079972497072189>
when the rest of your fleet is snipers, what are the fighters supposed to be? splitting your forces in half seems to be bad overall
I guess teleporting missiles could be good otherwise
drifting hinge
you prefer snipe over quick?
woeful zephyr
yeah
drifting hinge
CL already has crazy range
woeful zephyr
not enough
drifting hinge
it feels far easier to get swarmed and lack fire rate
woeful zephyr
if I can't reach their whole fleet from the back row it's not enough 😆
drifting hinge
but ive never done the math to find out if buying fire rate is more efficient than buying damage and range i guess
it always feels like you get maybe 2 shots off and then its a liability unless their fleet is entirely heavies
woeful zephyr
put everything farther back
dire bison
my usual plan is to get 4-6x fire rate, then whatever has highest dps gain after that
woeful zephyr
should be able to kill the first row before they're even in range
and hopefully more
drifting hinge
that only seems to work until they spawn a couple fighter units
and then its game over!!
i suppose i could do CL snipe fighters and CL quick HC
really invert expectations
dire bison
Don't Rian Johnson your fleet.
drifting hinge
you arent my real dad
woeful zephyr
Don't Rian Johnson your fleet.
ok what is this reference?
dire bison
He's the guy that directed the 2nd film of the 3rd star wars trilogy... I want to say last jedi. He made a big stink about subverting our expectations. And he did, we went to the theater expecting a decent movie
drifting hinge
you mean like fleetwide teleport drive on my snipers???
dire bison
that might not be awful. It's good in mono testing
drifting hinge
i have never gotten teleport drive off the ground
its always a tremendous failure of everything
dire bison
never seen it good as a grid bonus, and all fighter bonus is rough when 2 of your 7 are fighters. But fleetwide? That might do something positive
woeful zephyr
teleport was good back when missile fighters reigned supreme
dire bison
yup
woeful zephyr
before the CLs got boosted
dire bison
and missiles got nerfed
drifting hinge
alas unkillable bulwarks have done me in
damn, only rank 3
soon to be rank 89 after 100 more people do the run
dire bison
maybe, ties share rank. How far idd you get?
drifting hinge
23 with no damage but i didnt clear it
dire bison
CL Quick isn't bad
nova light
CL already has crazy range
if it's not enough to outrange enemy snipers, it's not enough
nova light
CL Quick isn't bad
mono moment
dire bison
indubitably. It's the only way I sim, gotta inch forward on that achievement somehow 😉
drifting hinge
snipe just feels too slow and also that you just get more stats from quick?
dire bison
2x Burst helps a lot with the speed, but it doesn't take many fire rate upgrades to not feel slow for me
wild timber
cl snipe is good but risky to full lean into
even regular cl can be a little risky until mediums can start spawning, because until then you're more likely to run into large %s of swarmers
woeful zephyr
maybe that's why my ranks tend to be all or nothing (sorta)
due to CL snipe either being amazing or a flop
it seems to do well more often than not though
digital bobcat
Is there a recommended strat to maximize artifacts gains? Barrage missiles vs CL, fire rate vs Hull, etc? What mods to look for when I run?
dire bison
UT artifact gain caps at stage 10, so anything past that is just bragging rights and/or time off from running again.
Weapons (imo) - CL > ML > Beam/Mini. Any of them are more than adequate to get you well past stage 10. Stick with both energy or both kinetic.
Upgrades - Fire Rate >= Damage >>> Range >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HP. In general, go with whatever says it has the best DPS gain. Never get HP.
Upgrade Rares - Burst x2 and x3, never x4. Ship Improvement. Rapid Fire / Double Tap. All of these are very good. Hull Bomb / Dispersion are both very good in the beginning but lose power in later levels. Teleport is a trap, only worthwhile in duo, and only situationally at that point. In general, avoid it.
Spawn location bonuses: 2x Damage + 2x Speed >>> 2x speed >(slightly) 2x Damage + Health > 2x Damage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything else.
Run simulation, a lot, and get familiar with different ships and weapons.
nova light
barrier grid buff can be decent if you don't have it normally
fervent turret
lol
nova light
'tis but a scratch
empty cargo
is that floating piece of scrap a base?
digital bobcat
Thank you! I'm wondering if there's
a way to maximize the efficiency overall, like, wait for x run mods, get to level 19, use artifacts to level 8 while you wait for the same mod config etc
My best stage cleared is 18, I always split weapons (missiles and charge usually), I expect I'll do better just focusing on one
(I'm at the point in the game where I have nothing to do, login once a day to see how far I still am from my next synth goal and spend Warp Q points, so I'm getting too invested in UT because it all i have left lol)
dire bison
Best way I've found is fight battles with good modifiers. Good = more choices, duo, no extra ships, more mods. Avoid bad modifiers - fewer choices, hard, balance (balance is OK, but not great). Get a good score, click the free point buttons until you get down to 13 or so, and start looking for your next battle. Repeat forever
For weapons, beam + CL go well together, so do missiles + railgun. Not ideal to mix the two groups, though.
autumn fossil
(I'm at the point in the game where I have nothing to do, login once a day to se...
tbh, not worth caring all that much imo. the scaling is just so bad
autumn fossil
as far as i know, the only things you need from UT to get to s135 are fighter stats and cap stats. cap stats you can also get from research and adaptations, and much more given how poorly UT scales. fighter stats you can't get anywhere else, but it's also the worst scaling UT out of all of them, so....
digital bobcat
Yeah, I just have nothing else active to do so I'm getting too invested in this 😂
I've got max Capital synth, maxed first two warps and done with Residuum (just have OD and AF science left), 180 Capital alien research.
I'm going to get a few levels in the next tier of Discipline synth to get the Crew Capital bonus at 400 discipline points, then go back to alien research until new content drops
autumn fossil
discipline mastery module is nice, but don't bother getting too much of it. i'd say 3 levels max. 2 levels is almost exactly +1 humanity per crew, 3 levels is +1.41 average, so basically +1 per crew but you get it faster
fervent turret
I've been going heavily into synth
empty cargo
synth addict
fervent turret
not just to try to eke to 135 that way, but to future proof
autumn fossil
tbh i don't see the point in going over 1e5 in anything aside from cap stats and fighter stats
and those two only to make it to s135
nova light
well mastery vaguely makes it easier to get humanity points, which also persist on reinforce
fleet steppe
UT artifact gain caps at stage 10, so anything past that is just bragging rights...
other advice I'd give on UT:
Avoid picking (Heavy) Cruisers when possible, as it will increase the enemy fleet ship deployment "strength" higher and can lead to increased variance and harder fights. Never pick Tank Upgrade.
Barrier is King in basically every situation
on Duo, consider missiles over CL if you're given Fighters as one of your ships
Zone upgrades/Spawn Location bonuses massively rise in value with No Extra ships
Column A zone upgrades are a bit scuffed when going CL, but play better with ML, something to keep in mind when one is offered early
Spend your rerolls to ensure you get the weapon choice you want (CL or ML run), then use your rerolls late in the game to avoid particularly bad enemy fleet selection (Avoid Bulwarks, more than 1 Missile, and offtyped Medium ships for your chosen weapon type)
nova light
cap stats does too but even more vaguely
nova light
other advice I'd give on UT:
Avoid picking (Heavy) Cruisers when possible, as i...
note: in duo, (heavy) cruisers are generally worth picking though (you don't have much choice either way)
nova light
Best way I've found is fight battles with good modifiers. Good = more choices, d...
balance is outright bad (unless you have duo as well), forcing you to split mods between 4 ships is terrible for scaling stats
in duo keeping balanced stats between just two ship types is much more acceptable
tired blaze
CL + a bunch of fighters with barriers!
I also hard disagree that HP is a bad stat. Obviously you want to stack as much damage as you can on your main DPS ships. But you don't always have that option. In that case going for HP is worth. Even delaying the backline's doom for just 1 second can be the decider.
nova light
'hp is bad' depends on how far you are aiming to go
it's mostly only useful for making you be two-shotted instead of one-shotted, but at that point you'd then need to take hp every single time to avoid just getting one-shotted on the next stage, which makes it not very useful
and at high enough stage enemies will one-shot you regardless, so the only time hp is useful is at the tail end of a relatively short run to make your ships survive just a little bit longer and then maybe you can clear one more stage
dire bison
Knowing ahead of time where your final wave would be would add a little value, and it does technically have more value for HC/C if you take their aoe attacks. Perhaps others can make it work better than me, I just won't ever take/recommend it.
fleet steppe
and a little bit more fire rate might ensure they can shoot one more ship to draw aggro, which might come up with missile offense clearing their previous "target"
dire bison
I wish my characters with a 30% crit rate had the type of luck Balance has had this week 😂
woeful zephyr
9-17 doesn't exist, nothing to see here
dire bison
Mine just updated. Got 3 skips banked, so I'm good still 🙂
woeful zephyr
Mine just updated. Got 3 skips banked, so I'm good still 🙂
what's a banked skip? 😂
I don't even remember what day the 23 came from lol
whatever it was, it fell off the end of the history apparently 😂
dire bison
From the 16th I believe
woeful zephyr
yeah, looked at old screenshots and mine was also from the 16th I think
dire bison
woeful zephyr
I'm guessing I spent 1 banked run from then lol
woeful zephyr
🤔
fleet steppe
Waiting for good mods to go for 20 again
rain kindle
is this something constant across for every player?
https://discord.com/channels/1023372620705566740/1420201073465098260
Notice something strange ? Or maybe its just strange for me.
woeful zephyr
🤔
woeful zephyr
also wtf is these run options, hello?
What run options?
Like the ones rolled by the game?
dire bison
yeah. Not been a good selection for a while now
digital bobcat
Terrible options - hard, balance, no extra ships, fewer choices etc
nova light
barrier look weird now
empty cargo
pixelated
median marlin
I could really use some tips for clearing stage 20 of this
I've gotten as far as 19 but no further than that
wild timber
simulation run with mono?
median marlin
Mono?
wild timber
wild timber
it's not in the standard pool, but the achievement doesn't specify standard runs only
median marlin
Oh, wait, does a Simulated run count?
wild timber
yea
nova light
And does that also count for Extreme?
extreme also does not spawn in standard runs
so rather than simulated runs count, you can only simulate a run
wild timber
pew pew
nova light
mono is stupidly op
autumn fossil
mono close range teleport missile fighters my beloved
nova light
barrage is still better than close range even with teleport lol
autumn fossil
hmm, armed with this knowledge, maybe i'll finally break through 42
nova light
aren't there arrows next to their icons at the top
autumn fossil
Damn, 42?
only 39 this time. matches my previous best for g4. g6 has better mods, but i wanted to get g4 and g5 to clear 40 at least before pushing harder in g6
median marlin
Oh, I hadn't even thought about the specific galaxies...
Being blatantly overpowered can be kinda fun~
I kind of want to experiment with rapid-fire Charge Laser...whichever the 4-ship one is, I forget
autumn fossil
meh, corvette is just worse fighter
median marlin
Got up to 38 that time!
In G6 specifically
I'll head back to the first galaxy to see how far I can push that, and to mess around with strategies
autumn fossil
Being blatantly overpowered can be kinda fun~
the reason i do it is to get fleet kills for the achievement. i really find UT to be unfun in general
median marlin
Oh, wait, do those count towards that achievement?
median marlin
Oh
Well that changes some things
Okay, this Charge Laser spam probably isn't really optimal, but it is quite fun, and it's a lot friendlier to the ol' framerate X3
Do you want Burst Fire, or no?
autumn fossil
two levels max
median marlin
And what ratio of Damage vs Fire Rate do you go for?
I've been doing 2:1 but I can probably do it better
autumn fossil
it shows you the expected dps
median marlin
So just get whichever is higher, then, instead of trying to pay attention to exact ratios?
dire bison
yes, but getting a head start on fire rate has helped me a lot, especially with slow / single target weapons
median marlin
It seems to still be ending up at 2:1 anyway so I guess I have good instincts X3
Got the z89 galaxy up to 37
median marlin
Whew, managed to reach 41 myself in G6!
tired blaze
Stage 2, and I get barrier'd fighters, this gun' be a good run 😎
Stage 4... even more barriers lol
Yeah I'm done.
tired blaze
Yeah I'm never getting this crazy of a setup again. Look at the fire rate on those missles lol
dire bison
Helluva run, congrats 😄
tired blaze
Barrier Projection on 7 fighters is nutty
dire bison
Haven't tried missile / rapid beam combo before, looked effective
tired blaze
somewhat
think they needed a bit more range to be safe
because I picked teleport they had no protection lol
dire bison
shame it wasn't group tele
tired blaze
if I had just gone standard CL might have gone further
but idk I never get to use laser
dire bison
I love beam, it just needs some slight tweaks (imo)
fire rate increasing ramp up speed for instance
tired blaze
I don't know I think it's been buffed enough to be viable
but I still don't have the confidence to pick it lol
dire bison
they are all viable, I just what the choice between them to be difficult
tired blaze
I feel like missles or at least rapid fire is mandatory to make lasers work
but haven't played with them enough to know.
median marlin
What're the strats for CL vs ML?
dire bison
Try to get barrier and lots of snipers for CL snipe, group tele for CL quick, lots of skirmishers/meds for ML barrage, and group tele for ML the_other_one.
median marlin
I admit I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the enemy loadouts...
dire bison
It matters a lot in the beginning and end, and much less in the middle.
median marlin
And do you want to use Fighters or something else for CL?
dire bison
Whatever they give me. If no fighters in my lineup, I don't take the short range option.
I prefer all one weapon for every ship. Failing that, both energy or both kinetic.
median marlin
Oh, I was talking about in Simulation for min-maxing purposes
dire bison
Nowadays? I pick a number 1-4 twice, then click start. First number is the weapon choice, second is the specialty. 1,2,3,4 left to right
It's just to inch forward to the achievement at this point, any combo gets me between 20-40 somewhere.
fleet steppe
I do wish fighters were even less aggressive with pushing when given the range to use
pic isn't great but CL snipe gives a lot of range
median marlin
Uuuh....is there a way to scroll to the left?
fleet steppe
1st pic is early in the fight, where the fighters move up to where they are now, Second is moments before it to show their range
dire bison
yeah, think it's a hard limit or set % for hold distance, forget which 🙁
Takes a LOT of the range advantage away
fleet steppe
also think this might be a bug post engine update, but not being able to see enemy stats for a given stage here feels really bad
river flax
Nice UT today
fleet steppe
CL is pretty legit after the buff
river flax
Ah, on Frigate I take it?
fleet steppe
on anything
fleet steppe
maybe not fighters as much but with the third column the range advantage is quite impressive
no extra ships makes the range even better
that much extra range was overkill for fighters, I had hoped to give them the extra reach so they'd stop getting shot at (fighter base range means even charge laser snipe isn't full coverage) but it wasted some upgrades
river flax
CL snipe or the other one?
fleet steppe
I used CL snipe
generally prefer CL quick over snipe but felt good about it this run and decided to commit to it
we're so back
fleet steppe
yes
river flax
And avoid missile enemies like the plague?
fleet steppe
teleport is funny for mono run meme but I don't take it in daily runs
yeah
Barrier Base very rare upgrade also just incredible this run
river flax
Oh didn't see it, I'll see it later
fleet steppe
looks like Stage 30 is the end of the line
I think the enemy selection was ok and the layout isn't horrendous, there's just too many stats to chew through
river flax
I wish Weapons had a Rare or even Very Rare versatile marker
Maybe Very Rare for 2x > 3x
fleet steppe
Gaming
river flax
Grats
fleet steppe
holy second run has great run mods too
river flax
Big sad
woeful zephyr
Interesting to see that both CL snipe and missiles+beam can tie for 1st place
dreamy pilot
is there a leaderboard beyond the "rank" you get when you complete a run?
empty cargo
no
nova light
I mean for your main ship
the prestige tab
nova light
probably due to the engine update
probably also due to not getting crappy hard or balance modifiers
drifting hinge
damnation rank 3
drifting hinge
Interesting to see that both CL snipe and missiles+beam can tie for 1st place
you mean cl quick right
cuz thats what i did
woeful zephyr
wait @fleet steppe did CL snipe on both, right?
woeful zephyr
Eternal and Skolander tied for 1st with different weapon sets
that's what I'm talking about
drifting hinge
woeful zephyr
oh, 3 people did better.. and cl quick can tie with cl snipe and missile+beam too 🤔
drifting hinge
i was rank 3
woeful zephyr
wow Sylv might be getting close to balancing UT 😆
drifting hinge
i believe its a 4way tie currently, unless im missing something
woeful zephyr
if you're 4th that means 3 people did better than 29 500
woeful zephyr
a 4 way tie for 1st would give 1st to all 4 people
drifting hinge
how embarrassing
woeful zephyr
does rail gun need balancing? does anyone use it?
drifting hinge
well one day i will get first, i feel good about how i did using tp anyway
or maybe not and i will die in obscurity
maybe im just too tired but if eternal cleared 29 with 500 and i cleared 29 with 500 then how would the score be different, or are we all tied for 2nd??
empty cargo
then eternal is also 4th
drifting hinge
oh i think i know why i was confused now, you said they were 1st but they must have dropped
andi was simply too slow to be 1st
alas
drifting hinge
i was reeeeal close to clearing 30
woeful zephyr
we'll see how close I get later 😅
drifting hinge
maybe if i had been paying attention to the enemies instead of just grabbing whatever
couldnt finish the last cruiser
fervent turret
oh, 3 people did better.. and cl quick can tie with cl snipe and missile+beam to...
got to 31 with snipe CL on frigates and trying out rapid CL on fighters... had a great start with early barriers
really not sure about rapid CL or not
feels like it helped getting past a fighter-heavy one on 29 or 30 maybe
but anything else it feels like it's worse than snipe?
fervent turret
Uuuh....is there a way to scroll to the left?
click and drag?
dire bison
woeful zephyr
wow someone beat 32
