#Core Computing Challenge
trail kite
whats your atk multiplier on improved tracking
trail kite
i doubt you can clear 18 within a reasonable amount of time but good luck
acoustic glacier
i feel pretty close
small trout
whats the run time
trail kite
prob like 8hr
trail kite
where u getting 14 from
acoustic glacier
lmao
small trout
yeah your improved traking has me messed up... i know its 10 times higher because of challenge...
small trout
youre not soft capped on immproved... traking will take 6-8 hrs to cap
trail kite
maybe ill do core compute next then cause ive only done 17 and i can do 2 cap cap 3s per lvl
what ship settup did ya use
trail kite
i should smoke through it then
acoustic glacier
level ~160 bonus from power with compute/power focus on shards
trail kite
i think i should be fine
ive also got all red synths max so can insta unlock max core compute bonus
acoustic glacier
maybe u can clear s19?
trail kite
and ive got th next unlock that helps with compute aswell but you havent unlocked that yet
acoustic glacier
i think u can afford v3 beam and bulk at that point?
trail kite
most likely
covert scroll
What is the value of increasing compute exponent? How exactly is compute bonus calculated?
brazen scaffold
wrong. The exponent is 0.5 at first, and it increases by +0.02 per completion of this challenge. So at 9 completions, it becomes level^0.68
also, check the pins
covert scroll
Ok but thats an 'oversimplified formula'. I wanted to know what is the difference in formulas between the first bar called '1.1' and another bar called '1.25'.
brazen scaffold
this Desmos graph tells you the formulas, and allows you to mess around with the variables:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/bngq4eme3v
brazen scaffold
wrong again. The effects of each bar in the Basic tab are added together to form the total multiplier at the top
you can easily check this via the tooltips
I meant that your caveat ("bar 1 damage is multiplied by bar 2 damage") is wrong. Though I'm assuming you're referring to the bars in the basic tab
small trout
removed my incorrect info so only the right answer shows 😛 thanks nomi for correcting me
icy glade
does the "Generation Cost" number there mean anything significant?
brazen scaffold
it works the same way as the level cost in normal compute: you need enough compute speed and compute power to make it do something within a reasonable amount of time
icy glade
so it just represents how much that bar needs to be filled before generating a salvage/level?
which is not something i need to worry about past getting my compute speed and power up, just like normal
brazen scaffold
yup
icy glade
sweet, thank you!
i'm attempting clear 4 probably too early, but was just taking a closer look at stuff and noticed it
astral zenith
i'm attempting clear 4 probably too early, but was just taking a closer look at ...
average 4th clear is sector 30
astral zenith
i pick up a void energy
game says i can do CC
void energy runs out
game says i cant do CC
small trout
because void energy boost compute by 250% so you are on the edge
astral zenith
because void energy boost compute by 250% so you are on the edge
and i did 2 CCs in a row when game doesnt say i can do one
small trout
because the flash is just a hey ITS POSSIBLE. you can do them early with a time cost 😛
astral zenith
didnt take too long either
small trout
sylv flashing you was because people was forgeting to do them early.
icy glade
average 4th clear is sector 30
I managed to do it earlier with a bit of idling, my highest sector is like, 25
proper vortex
Doing CC2, stuck on wave 8 before clear
small trout
beam / LC / LC
lcs are full bottom row...
proper vortex
If I do full bottom row, then I can't kill anything lol
small trout
LCs full bottom beam isnt full bottom
proper vortex
yeah beam isn't
small trout
beam is with the first choice going top
proper vortex
small trout
sit in s4 and build up improved tracking a bit
and make sure your using your skill 😛
azure osprey
Yo guys, I'm at sector 68 and finished every challenge except the last compute, any tips or guide? seems impossible atm
brazen scaffold
you can use crew for this. Cyber specialist's unique perk (+1000 levels/sec cap) helps a lot. Oh, and use one V3.0 weapon as your main DPS, with the other weapons being either laser cannon or kinetic cannon, depending on what your DPS weapon is
azure osprey
you can use crew for this. Cyber specialist's unique perk (+1000 levels/sec cap)...
I tried V3.0 weapons and crew but still seems impossible, maybe I need stronger crew then
small trout
no... if you used capstone...
and capped all bars its a waiting game
sit in 17a and farm improved tracking and money lvling your cores.
you dont use "all" v3 cores... only the beams and shield..
rest will be v2
make sure lcs are in full support (all bottom row) beams set like this
azure osprey
What is capstone?
azure osprey
i just maxed out every compute thing and still doesn't have a chance against sector 20+ enemy
i guess i try with T4 weapons
omg finally finished..
trail kite
very nice
zealous pike
hello
i want to ask about the optimal ship arrangement for the challenge because i spent hours for different arrangements and none of those can even pass sector 6
small trout
pins
*This is important
Use s4 to farm improved tracking for some amount of waves as it benifits from the 10x boost of challenge rules...
*
CC 1 - Beam / LC / LC 2x Bulk
CC2 - Beam / LC / LC 2x Bulk
CC3 - 1x Beam / 3x LC 2xBulk
CC4 - 1x V2 Beam / 3x V1 LC V2 Bulk / V1 Bulk
CC5 - 1x V2 Beam / 3x V1 LC 2x V2 Bulk
CC6 - 1x V2 Beam / 5x V1 LC 3x V2 Bulk
CC7 - 1x V2 Beam / 5x V1 LC 3x V2 Bulk
CC8 - 1x V3 Beam / 5x V2 LC 2x V2 Bulk / Deflector (CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection)
CC9 - 1x V3 Beam / 5x V2 LC 2x V3 Bulk / Deflector (CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection)
small trout
because it stops regen and has higher damage potential pre s35 with LC support
each lc gives beam 30% boost... plus bonus damage to shields
zealous pike
ok
though my ship had never last long enough to make it work
small trout
thats why you use bulk gens.. also dont forget to farm wave kills in s4
your ability 6 is dependednt on it
and in challenge is 10x more effective
zealous pike
Ahhh
i did it
thank you
astral zenith
each lc gives beam 30% boost... plus bonus damage to shields
isnt it 4x?
hardy crypt
***This is important
Use s4 to farm improved tracking for some amount of waves a...
i must be totally misunderstanding how to do this challenge, cause i'm at S36 and can't manage CC4 with this setup
small trout
i must be totally misunderstanding how to do this challenge, cause i'm at S36 an...
Are you still in challenge?
small trout
isnt it 4x?
LC supportive routing pictured (not 4x)
shild bonus is 40% per each LC (2 buffs)
small trout
isnt it 4x?
so where are you getting or thinking 4x anything?
hardy crypt
Are you still in challenge?
Nah, i dropped it for now
small trout
if you have a few minutes and wanna jump back in i can check some of your pages and help out...
im thinking its income issue, so may need to drop 1 beam in favor of v1 lc for damage bufs instead..
also gota rember to farm some impoved tracking in s4 before moving on
as its 10x benifit...
i wrote the fits last night from memory, but it does still rely healily on wether your comput has enough bars maxed so i may have you using to many high verios weapons to early..
hardy crypt
Ah, I had not properly understood the s4 thing
My plan is to dump most of my next but of warp essence into compute, but I'll definitely make better use of that going forward
astral zenith
so where are you getting or thinking 4x anything?
small trout
is this in challenge or out?
astral zenith
in
small trout
ok.. it been long time since i use "x" display but out side challenge this is what sup rout looks like to me.. so i still dont know why it shows 4x... because thats not how challenge modifys nodes
astral zenith
but these are also a lot higher
small trout
yea that display is weird and noth mathing to me at all.. thats not 10x origional either
small trout
if you minus 1 then add 1 you did nothing?
astral zenith
ye
astral zenith
i overcomplicate things
small trout
you didnt sylv did... so back to origional point.. 4x is = to the 30% (slightly) that i was refereing to 😛
because its not 30% buff but 300% in challenge
so you was right and i was confused
small trout
because a 2nd beam comes out more damage
wraith wedge
I don't understand how that can possibly be the case.
When 2 beams is equivalent to double damage.
While 1 beam 1 LC is 4x the damage.
small trout
because maths... youve narrowed in on 1 portion of the eqaution..
wraith wedge
So what does the math look like?
small trout
let me find it im not a numbers guy
wraith wedge
The LC gives 4x damage on it's support node in the computing challenge.
And using a second beam just doubles your beam damage.
And won't get you more than the 4x an LC would.
wraith wedge
(Beam + Beam) x (LC) x (LC) is basically (1 + 1) x 4 x 4 = 32
small trout
stop
wraith wedge
While Beam x (LC) x (LC) x (LC) is 1 x 4 x 4 x 4 = 64.
trail kite
Just wait a sceond
wraith wedge
Not to mention the extra +200% shield nodes on the other LC.
Against shields you actually do 2.888x more damage with the third LC over a second beam.
small trout
the entire challenge isnt against shields for that point.. to the others i said im not the math guy.. i cant find the speadsheet that was done but if you want to theory craft the numbers then go to https://discord.com/channels/1023372620705566740/1079897910860329101 and talk with Nomi and the other math people
small trout
its the same scale
wraith wedge
If it's outside the challenge, then yea I agree.
In the challenge it's not the same.
small trout
all the challeng does and set it from 1.3 to times 10
wraith wedge
Since the LC gives 4x damage instead of 1.3x damage.
small trout
thats just times 10.. it scales the same
wraith wedge
You definitely aren't a math guy lol.
astral zenith
supportive routing is multiplicative
small trout
again take the theory craft to theory craft..i answered why its 2 beams and not another LC..
do what you want.. but the guides work
wraith wedge
You answered why it's the case outside the challenge.
wraith wedge
The laser already rapid fires with perma lazer skill.
trail kite
and there are stages where hitting more enemies quickers means u dont die
wraith wedge
The only concern is killing the boss.
astral zenith
2 beam is better against swarmers
small trout
2 beams is better against boss lmao
wraith wedge
Swarmers are never going to be the problem compared to the boss.
2 beams can't be better against boss when 1 beam + LC gives 4x damage.
Compared to 2 beams which is just 2x damage.
trail kite
i should probably do core compute right 8 and 9 right im at stage 58
small trout
youll want these base milestones and youre almost there on 2
wraith wedge
First pic is 2 beam 4 LC, the other is 1 beam 5 LC.
First pic has slightly more tracking, so its total DPS is a little more than half of the second pic.
But my point stands, going 2 beams vs. 1 beam 1 LC is half the damage.
Unless there are some weird shenanigans with 2 beams where they ramp faster while attacking the same target at the same time.
small trout
do you not understand i dont care? im not the math guy and this isnt therory craft gtfo
wraith wedge
It's better to go 1 beam full LC.
Well there's conclusive proof.
And not theory craft.
That 1 beam full LC is better than 2 beam rest LC.
small trout
youll get your proof from the math pople.. and the testers
trail kite
what about the multiplier from tracking skill
wraith wedge
Where 2 beams is half the damage.
small trout
theres more going on than just raw number
wraith wedge
Tracking skill only multiplies damage on that one weapon.
What else goes on in a fight against the boss?
small trout
youre not counting wasted damage from over kill
wraith wedge
Other than DPS?
small trout
range
trail kite
bring up the core dmg tab
small trout
armor (damage mitigation)
small trout
tick rate
trail kite
its a way better dps calculator
wraith wedge
Overkill doesn't matter against bosses.
wraith wedge
And going 2 beams vs 1 beam doesn't change the tick rate.
I'm discussing the core computing challenge.
And how 1 beam is better than 2.
It's literally half the damage.
Sure if you're doing a normal run not in the challenge.
Then by all means go 3 beams 2 LC.
I trust the guy you screen shotted.
small trout
im not changing guide because you dont like it.. Ill make changes to guide when it stops working
you do you
trail kite
because 2 works
small trout
why not make your own guide?
wraith wedge
Well whatever, I only come here to see when doing a challenge is viable, and not for builds.
small trout
im not here to cater to every playstyle and viable option
wraith wedge
Not going to halve my damage just because a guide says so.
small trout
noone asked you to..lmao
wraith wedge
Yea, and I was just asking why you'd run 2 beams instead of 1 beam.
small trout
its for people who failed to complete challenge on own.. its what works
trail kite
Then dont follow the guide
wraith wedge
And I even showed the math for why 1 beam is better.
And you're just being rude for no reason.
trail kite
then make you own guide
wraith wedge
Yea whatever, I'm done with this topic.
Also another thing in your guide I just noticed, but you are also running shield synergy for some reason instead of 3.5x damage on your beams.
Shield synergy stacks additively, and you already have tons of shield damage from LCs.
small trout
I trust the guy you screen shotted.
if you trust him let me ask one question..
he stated have an adittional beam was better than an additional LC in post...
why are you still so hard for the additional LC over the additional beam?
wraith wedge
Yea he said that for what's likely outside of the computing challenge.
Which is what I said, I trust him for the setup outside the challenge.
Inside the challenge, you go 1 beam, rest LCs.
And please at least change your screenshot from shield synergy on beams to 3.5x damage.
small trout
cant add pics to a previous post? so no? also by losing LC in favor of the beam that 2x shield buffs lost so having the 2 beams with shield.. is net neutral
wraith wedge
Losing an LC also loses 4x damage from Fire support.
So it's half damage.
And also less shield damage.
And going 2 beams with shields loses 3.5x more damage.
So now you are losing a total of 7x damage.
I also feel like CC9 would be better with a full kinetic weapon set since the boss is an armored one, though I wouldn't know without practical experience.
small trout
if you retro fit in final sector sure... but getting there will be problomatic...(using full kin)
wraith wedge
Yea you'd retrofit in z21.
It's also a shieldless dual laser fighter as well, so no shield damage penalty.
As one of the normal mobs.
trail kite
you would lose your tracking
small trout
nope
wraith wedge
Retrofitting doesn't lose tracking I think.
small trout
tracking is run based retro has nothing to do with it
trail kite
ah good to know
small trout
tracking starts "tracking" even when you dont have ability bought as well
it starts wave 1 sector 1
trail kite
i had a felling i would get this when i prestiged
but i dont have salvage redirection avalible yet
small trout
quick "cheat" fix for that is warp points
as many as you can get here
then he needs less stats to get 51 skill points
trail kite
im a little weak might need to run a few overcharged warps
small trout
less than you think
you only need 1 point in
the rest can go into others
you can also do cc8 and 9 without salvage redirection... it will just take a little longer
but sylv countered that with addition of new compute bar Cap+++
brazen scaffold
the entire challenge isnt against shields for that point.. to the others i said ...
that screenshot of my message applies only outside of this challenge. When doing this challenge, do 1 beam + laser cannons for the rest
wraith wedge
It's actually optimal to go 1 beam + 1 bomb launcher + rest laser cannons for CC.
Bomb launcher adds another 10% range to your beam, while giving you access to the Volley skill, which also gets a boosted 10x bonus for some reason.
So instead of increasing your laser damage by 2.5x, it increases it by 16x in CC.
You do however, need to activate it before the beam laser locks onto the boss.
I cleared up to CC8 with just v2 beam and up to 10 cap+ capped.
I probably can also do CC9 if I farmed tracking a bit.
Not sure if the full kinetic setup will work though.
Also your shields don't matter at all if you haven't unlocked the deflector yet.
Bosses will one shot you anyway.
Gonna waste 1 hour just to see if I can clear CC9 lol.
small trout
i did cc 9 with 3x bulk
its possible.. just a pain in ass... somewhere between 3 and 5 hrs farming ablative shielding (and cs - salv redirection) would not recomend...
wraith wedge
I don't even know what salv redirection is lol.
Managed to clear up to s20 with a full kinetic setup, the only issue is that s21 has hull enemies that are tough to kill.
Cleared CC9 with v2 kinetic weapons and no deflectors.
The idea is to get lucky with the enemy spawns so that at least 4/5 are armored fighters.
You can actually kill one shieldless fighter with your bomb launcher specced into damage instead of cooldown + volley activation.
The boss instantly dies to a single kinetic cannon specced into armor piercing.
Takes around 1 hour of farming s4 for tracking.
Your shields don't matter at all, everything one shots you.
Farm with a single beam + LC setup, which can take you all the way to CC8 completion.
s20 and s21 requires retrofitting to 1 v2 bomb launcher + 1 v2 KCs + 4 KCs.
My tracking bonus was around 6x in the challenge.
CC9 should be completable at merely 4 cap+ capped, though it's best done at 10 cap+ capped.
trail kite
easy claps just used 1 v3 beam rest lc v2 2 bulk v3 1 deflector only had 10 cap cap just cleared until i had 520 wave clears
astral zenith
why are CC7/8/9 average all at S49
wraith wedge
Probably because people opt to do them all at the same time then.
Though you can easily clear CC9 at S43 max.
small trout
why are CC7/8/9 average all at S49
because the stats are from before content update
when there wasnt a cap+++ bar and when salvage was less
meaning you needed crew to achomplishe those with any sense of "reasonable time"
wraith wedge
A 1 hour clear at S43 max seems pretty reasonable to me.
Only need 10 Cap+ as well.
tiny lily
Are the stats at the top on average sector for completion still accurate?
astral zenith
oops...
small trout
Are the stats at the top on average sector for completion still accurate?
no.
they are pre content update
wraith wedge
I'd think they'd be relatively accurate for the early completions.
Probably not for the later ones.
Especially for CC7/8/9.
tiny lily
im working on 4
small trout
it tells you the date... its litterally "NOT" up to date
tiny lily
yes, but nothing says if anything relevant has changed since then
small trout
yes there is
tiny lily
oh, i failed to read pins again, bah
wraith wedge
The only relevant change I'm seeing there is that Kinetic Volley was buffed.
Compute 1.1 cap+++ isn't even needed to clear CC9.
small trout
content update added an entire compute bar
wraith wedge
I never used that bar to clear CC9 though.
small trout
youre not the majority of players
wraith wedge
Well now the new players can follow what I did.
And clear CC9 at S43 max in an hour.
small trout
No?
this image shows you in s48?? which is inline with old data of being in s48/s49 lmao
wraith wedge
This is way past when I first cleared it.
small trout
but point is... data is from july... theres ben signifigant changes...
wraith wedge
#1087075244583436378 message
small trout
yes its easily doable sooner now because of buffs to compute
wraith wedge
The screenshot doesn't show my computing page.
But you can see my scrap and look at how much scrap each bar gives.
And it's in line with 10 cap+.
And yesterday I was only S43 max.
Today I'm S48.
And no running the usual 1 v2 beam + 5 LC doesn't come close to clearing CC9.
As far as I can tell, most people were waiting until they could do v3 beam in CC9 to clear it.
small trout
As far as I can tell, most people were waiting until they could do v3 beam in CC...
wrong? #1087075244583436378 message
wraith wedge
Yea that guy is using v3 lol.
Not v2.
And was S57 yesterday.
Look at their scrap, e37.
trail kite
yeah i def could of done it sooner but i was on a mastery run i went from stage 52 the from before the mastery
tiny lily
is this really your suggested build? CC4 - 1x V2 Beam / 3x V1 LC V2 Bulk / V1 Bulk
trail kite
and it was probably accomplishable earlier than that
wraith wedge
It's accomplishable at S43 max in fact.
small trout
is this really your suggested build? CC4 - 1x V2 Beam / 3x V1 LC V2 Bulk / V1 Bu...
mine yes itll work
wraith wedge
Well, as long as you have enough computing power/speed to cap up to 10 cap+
That's all you need to clear up to CC9.
trail kite
its def not 10 cap +
wraith wedge
That's what I had.
tiny lily
Whats the logic of having v2 weapon and sheilds you can't afford to upgrade?
trail kite
v2 are really cheap
small trout
Whats the logic of having v2 weapon and sheilds you can't afford to upgrade?
because you can afford it?
wraith wedge
With my setup here #1087075244583436378 message
small trout
you never unlocked comute advance tab
go to base 1 or 2 and look at grey unlocks on right side
wraith wedge
I don't think he's going anywhere even with the advanced tab.
tiny lily
Oh yeah it's the first upgrade of base 2
wraith wedge
They are barely capping shield/damage 10 with 4e3 allocated power.
tiny lily
ahh, I've not seen mention of that once yet. Cool.
trail kite
get that asap
wraith wedge
And only have 8e3 leftover.
Might need to push computing nodes in warpdrive some more.
tiny lily
I can pop an xmas base boost and get that in an hour or so
i just did the first base challenge earlier
wraith wedge
xmas boosts are better used on warp core speed as well.
small trout
hes not sober... good luck with reasoning
let him have fun and fly drunk
hes my favorite type of eve pilot 😛 easy pvp kills
wraith wedge
Also if you have 4 weapon slots, you should be running Beam + 2 LC + bomb launcher.
tiny lily
im stoned, but yeah, i follow @trail kite's logic
trail kite
do ya play eve online dersies?
wraith wedge
The volley skill gives 16x damage in CC.
small trout
do ya play eve online dersies?
tiny lily
also, im probably definitely done playing...i've been nibling at this thc sorbet and just noticed i ate...too much
anyway, thanks for your help tonight @small trout
trail kite
Night matt
tiny lily
yeah, im gonna close this and tomorrow ill be able to buy advanced compute
Night, happy holidays
trail kite
have you checked the recomend base setups
tiny lily
I've seen several recommendations, but i haven't tried @small trout's from the pin yet, will deal with that tomorrow
i have a retrofit available, and am parked in s4 for farming
tiny lily
Should I be able to push past challenge 4?
wraith wedge
Just go as far as you can until you can't I suppose.
wraith wedge
The pin is outdated apparently.
And yea with overnight tracking you could probably go up to CC5 or even CC6.
small trout
CC having 10x boost to damage nodes is huge
wraith wedge
Apparently it also gives a 10x damage boost to volley as well.
tiny lily
yeah it does, thats how i did CC3
wraith wedge
Makes taking one kinetic weapon optimal when you have at least 4 weapon slots.
small trout
it shouldnt affect volley
wraith wedge
Then it's a bug.
tiny lily
It's not?
wraith wedge
tiny lily
How is it different from laser boost?
wraith wedge
Laser boost affects attack speed.
So I guess the 10x doesn't apply to that.
Since it's an attack speed node, not a damage node.
If you can count a skill as a node.
Though the unlock for the skill is a node.
It's not a bug if you consider the skill itself as an upgrade.
small trout
skill "isnt" damage by tag... so its up to sylv if its intended for buff or not..
tiny lily
wraith wedge
Yea the damage that comes with the upgrade is as intended.
Just not sure whether or not if the ability itself getting the 10x boost is a bug.
astral zenith
wait what
astral zenith
😐
lilac thunder
thats why you use bulk gens.. also dont forget to farm wave kills in s4
how dows one farm waves?
wraith wedge
how dows one farm waves?
You use the void beacon module and leave the game open at s4.
If you don't have access to the void beacon module then idk if there is any difference between s4 and everything else.
I'm not sure if the wait time between enemy waves is different between all of the sectors and if online/offline wave time is different.
Maybe s4 is still better even without the void beacon.
If that's the case, you'd still leave the game open and afk at s4 until your tracking is high.
small trout
correct on most points.
online is better if you have beacon.
you can get waves kills offline..
s4 is best early game with or without becaon and is only replaced in normal by higher sectors with same enemy type.. (swamers and skirmishers) they have low hp and zoom into your weapons range quickly,
in challenge you dont dont need to go beyond s4 till youre ready because enemys dont drop scrap.. you income is based on compute only so your entire pupose of killing enemies is improved tracking ability...
stuck jay
Also if you have 4 weapon slots, you should be running Beam + 2 LC + bomb launch...
Beam is still the main DPS, right? So, at least in CC9, why bomb and not KC?
wraith wedge
The boss is armored.
stuck jay
KC has armor damage support?
wraith wedge
And in CC9 you run 1 bomb, 5 KC.
stuck jay
oh
wraith wedge
Before that you run beam + 1 bomb + 4 LC.
You can clear CC9 when you are able to green bar 10 cap+.
stuck jay
of course, computer and reactor for utilities, right?
wraith wedge
Which is around s43 or s44 max.
Computer and synth I'd say.
To make sure you can max out the t6 module for computing.
wraith wedge
Well as long as you can green bar 10 cap+, it doesn't matter.
4 cap+ can probably work too.
You'll just have to wait longer to get your v2 KC to level 110.
stuck jay
I green bar 1.1 cap ++ without compute shard I'm fine
wraith wedge
Oh yea you are more than fine.
Then just go computing + whatever, it doesn't matter.
stuck jay
also, I ran continuous for CC5-8 which is an absolute bruh moment
wraith wedge
Lol, your shields don't matter actually.
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You don't actually have to reroll enemies before the s21 boss.
I learned that you can actually just reach the boss, make a backup save, then load it.
And there will be no normal enemies, just the wait for the boss.
You probably won't even need to farm tracking all that much.
Since my armor piercing KC just one shot the boss.
stuck jay
the KC killed your boss?
wraith wedge
Yea.
Not the bomb launcher, that one is just for range.
You spec one KC into damage, the rest into support.
stuck jay
if it wasn't for range. I'd just use a missile
I just green bar'ed 1.1 cap ++ in-challenge
without stopping to farm tracking
wraith wedge
Yea you definitely don't need to farm tracking to kill the bosses.
You might need to save/load away the normal enemies for s20 and s21 though.
stuck jay
I'll be fine
stuck jay
What are the max enemy stats on S21?
wraith wedge
You can check in sector info.
Everything will one shot you, but you one shot the boss so it's fine.
If you have deflectors unlocked, you could use those instead if you wanted.
stuck jay
I don't, but the idea is to farm enough so that the support KCs can one-shot the normies
wraith wedge
Nah, you can just use bulk armor in full regen mode.
Then push forward with auto and engine on.
You'll gain more distance than you lose.
And when you reach the distance for the boss, save and reload.
This will make it so that when you load, there will be no normal enemies.
And you can just one shot the boss.
stuck jay
That sounds like cheese
wraith wedge
It is cheese.
But it's cheese that saves a lot of time.
And lets you do CC9 way earlier than most people do.
stuck jay
Is it an old cheese tho?
wraith wedge
I don't think anyone's mentioned this cheese ever no.
Well the save/loading cheese is something people have done.
They just never mentioned using a kinetic setup with v2 weapons to clear CC9.
Most people use level 110 v3 beam + 4 LC + 1 charge and deflectors to clear CC9.
Which requires way more computing power.
stuck jay
when is the time to switch to kinetic?
stuck jay
what a surprise
wraith wedge
Actually you retrofit into full kinetic at s20.
Since you get more burst damage on the boss with the volley activation releasing +2 extra projectiles.
Might actually need to farm some tracking for the s20 boss.
stuck jay
I just put flex on red link to blue where I have compute for 3x power gen for a few extra levels in reactor compute
wraith wedge
You do want the battle shard linked from red to blue when fighting bosses though.
Gives attack speed and a little range.
stuck jay
no range in CC
small trout
all shield u will die
stuck jay
we cheese the normies out of the picture, dw about those
small trout
if going to cheat might as well use cheat engin or not even play the game 😛
small trout
i know how it works
stuck jay
It's still cheese
wraith wedge
Wouldn't call it cheating since you aren't using third party software to alter the game.
It's exploiting the game more like.
small trout
cheating is doing aything thats not intended..
stuck jay
one can argue it's save file manipulation
wraith wedge
There are a lot of things that aren't intended no?
Like going deep into a sector where you can't even kill enemies, then using a shard loadout to farm research/shard drops, and the s51 mechanic EXP.
small trout
anyway.. i said my piece..
wraith wedge
Plus it's still possible to clear CC9 without save/loading.
You just need to farm tracking for an hour.
stuck jay
or 8()
wraith wedge
Yea clearing CC8 doesn't even require farming, can just go straight to it and exit if you wanted.
stuck jay
I'm gonna do some synth challenges before I complete CC
wraith wedge
Also the full kinetic loadout still kills the normal enemies in s20 just fine with some tracking.
60% damage dealt isn't a problem.
It's the hull enemies in s21 that require the 1 hour of tracking farm.
They take 100% damage, which is 66% more damage than the shielded enemies, but they have more than 4x the HP I think.
Also kinetic cannons have shield damage mode as well.
Can use one kinetic cannon in shield mode to snipe the shields, and the rest can kill the enemies when they are stripped.
In fact I'm pretty sure you can just use the kinetic loadout from s1 to s21, it just straight up does more damage to bosses due to the 10x multiplier affecting the volley skill.
wraith wedge
Yea I'm able to go straight to s20 with full kinetic and only 1.4x damage from tracking.
Only around 3x tracking is needed to kill the enemies in s20 to face the boss.
In fact 3x tracking is enough to kill the normal enemies in s21 as well if you get lucky with either 5/5 or 4/5 armor enemy spawns.
So 30 minutes of s4 farming is enough with just v2 kinetic weapons and 10 cap+.
torpid heath
For computing CC4 if I can only get these levels should I be using Beam 2.0 or no? Also are all of these abilities good?
Not sure if I just have to farm more improved tracking or what
brazen scaffold
all the nodes are good. CC4 is probably too early for using V2.0 beam, so... V1.0 beam should be fine
torpid heath
Yep that was it thanks
torpid heath
***This is important
Use s4 to farm improved tracking for some amount of waves a...
I would recommend changing CC4 to V1 Beam, personally V2 didn't work at all unless I wanted to run for hours but V1 finished in 15 min
Probably same for CC5
I think bulk generator also V1 x2
brazen scaffold
yeah, I think V1.0 cores are best for CC4 and CC5
small trout
I went based on sector guidance. When you "should" be tackling these challenges your compute will be able to afford v2 beam and shields.
But according to rockstip just run kin
zealous pike
when should i do CC3
like, 8 green bars?
zealous pike
ok
Just want to make sure
boreal steppe
cc5
tiny lily
Should I do core 5 as soon as I get the destroyer?
oh, i see the pin implies doing 5 before the destroyer, so im gonna go with Yes.
candid mantle
ok, so i'm dumb... what is compute 1.1 cap?
trail kite
it increase the cap of damadge and sheild 1.1 compute
candid mantle
is it a warp upgrade?
trail kite
its the 2nd tab of compute
candid mantle
ohhhh
yeah, i don't have that yet
prolly shouldn't be doing compute challenge 3 yet i guess then
trail kite
you unlock it ||Under Base 2 ||
trail kite
you might be able to beat it without advanced compute it will just take about an hour for tracking to lvl up
because compute in the challange only effect how much scrap you get and once you get them to lvl 120 you dont really need any more scrap
torpid heath
What does "CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection" mean / where does that come from?
astral zenith
s51 thing
dense geyser
||ok so I'm on r1 and redoing all the challenges and I'm wondering if I still need to do the CS salvage redirect or if just having the synth compute level booster might be enough, what do y'all think||
dense geyser
||yeah you totally can, thing got one shot, I guess all you need once you're at this stage is maxed out core upgrades with the classic setup. my computer power was e13 and my compute speed was e43 and I had the maxed out compute level synth thing at grey t8||
normal yacht
Alright I have no idea what I am doing wrong in going for Core #9. I have v3 for all -> Beam, Kinetic, Charge, 3x Laser. All are lvl 120. v2 Bulk Shield. 2x Deflector. Can not beat sector 20 (or 21 haha). Ideas please and or thank you.
trail kite
Alright I have no idea what I am doing wrong in going for Core #9. I have v3 for...
because you are using the wrong setup
- 1x V3 Beam / 5x V2 LC 2x V3 Bulk / Deflector or v3 bomb launcher, 5 v3 Kinetic cannons 1V3 bulk 2 deflectors.
normal yacht
because you are using the wrong setup
Ill give it a whirl. Thanks. Is there anything else I am forgetting to do? I can hit sector 59 normally which seems to be well above what is stated at start of thread.
trail kite
Ill give it a whirl. Thanks. Is there anything else I am forgetting to do? I can...
letting your tracking lvl up by sitting in sector 4
short flume
this Desmos graph tells you the formulas, and allows you to mess around with the...
I'm trying to understand the formula, despite the value is pretty accurate when level is high, it doesn't work well at low levels? For example to simulate the very beginning of game, letting C=0 and B=0, it gives 0.15 for 1.1x and 0.375 for 1.25x 🤔
brazen scaffold
when C = 0, that means L = 1. C is just the exponent in the formula L, so it's easier to input high numbers, at the cost of making it a bit harder to input lower numbers.
However, I have no clue what the actual numbers are at lower levels at the very beginning of the game, so I have no idea what's going on there
zealous pike
why would pinned comment recommend to use V2 beam in CC4?
glass topaz
it's doable, but you need to wait until you have stuff in warp unlocked
zealous pike
i can barely upgrade V2 when im doing it
how
glass topaz
In fact, you can do CC5 and 6 with it.
zealous pike
ohhh thanks
meager zodiac
glass topaz
the destroyer helps, since you get 2 extra LCs
It's not needed for CC6, but a must for 7
You won't have enough compute to do CC7 unless you stall for a long time farming for everything else
which... just go to s40
deft scarab
the full kinetic setup is kind of hilarious
deft scarab
wait just kidding. i don't know how he got past s20 with full kinetic.
astral zenith
wait just kidding. i don't know how he got past s20 with full kinetic.
kinetic volley is also 10 times more powerful, unlike laser boost
deft scarab
no i am doing it right now and s20 boss kicking my ass with deflectors
stuck jay
KV is a damage boost descending from core, so of course the 10x is applied
astral zenith
no i am doing it right now and s20 boss kicking my ass with deflectors
how much damage did you do to boss before you retreat
might need to change some of the bomb's nodes
those are a bunch of 3.5x damage
deft scarab
oh true i was so focused on the KC right below it
my low braincell count just followed the picture
stuck jay
the main damage is a KC or the bomb?
astral zenith
bomb
deft scarab
oh yeah wow i just change the bomb loadout and the bosses just boomed
quartz arch
I was thinking, if compute creates salvage, and we can sacrifice salvage for more compute, what's the optimal salvage/s to sacrifice.
I got this closed form solution:
0.1*e^(W(10*e*s)-1)
Where W is the Lambert W function.
s is salvage/s without the multiplier.
So if we plug in 10^15 for s, we get approximately 2.91*10^13, or about 2.91%.
Does this seem about right?
Assuming that salvage scales linearly with compute, which.. I don't know if it does. Does it?
brazen scaffold
the "salvage/s to compute speed" bonus is log10. So 1e10 salvage/s = 11x compute speed
quartz arch
Yes, that's what I used to derive the formula.
brazen scaffold
ah ok, just making sure. As for the salvage gained from the compute bars, I think they scale linearly with compute speed, power, and levels gained. Not sure about levels gained though
well, speed and power scale linearly in the sense that the bars get filled more times per second
quartz arch
Right, but once the tier gets filled and it moves on to a new tier, it might not be linear.
Here's how I derived the formula. Set up a formula for modified salvage/s value based on the unmodified salvage/s:
s*(1-f)*(log_10(s*f) + 1)
where s is the current salvage/s without the bonus, and f is the fraction of salvage/s to sacrifice.
Take derivative with respect to f, set it equal to zero and solve for f, and we get the closed form solution with the W Lambert function for the fraction of salvage/s we should sacrifice.
brazen scaffold
that's some advanced math beyond my understanding, so good job on figuring that out!
quartz arch
What the formula tells me is that if you leave the "Auto 1%" checked, it's close enough. For smaller values like 10^15 salvage/s you want to sacrifice like 3%, but for very large values (dunno how high they get at higher challenge levels) you might want to sacrifice less.
brazen scaffold
I think you can get around ~e25 salvage at higher challenge levels, possibly a little more. It's been a while since I did this challenge
quartz arch
Here's a plot of the fraction you should sacrifice based on unmodified salvage/s
brazen scaffold
so basically, early on, the optimal amount of salvage/s to sacrifice is about 7%-8%, and the percentage gets lower as you reach higher amounts of salvage/s
quartz arch
Yep
Someone should double check my math if possible though.
Once I start my next compute challenge I'll do an empirical test.
Also need to check whether salvage gain is a linear function of compute power, or if there are non-linearities when going up a tier.
light trail
Hey guys, so I am in the final challenge, getting butt handed to me by s21 boss. What is the proper loadout?
tiny lily
Is this really suggesting most people finish compute 9 at S49?
brazen scaffold
Is this really suggesting most people finish compute 9 at S49?
that's outdated data
tiny lily
Ah ok
I was gonna say I have a decent bonus from crews and im still having to build up tracking for CC7
brazen scaffold
Hey guys, so I am in the final challenge, getting butt handed to me by s21 boss....
there's a loadout in the pins here, but I'll share it anyway:
CC9 - 1x V3 Beam / 5x V2 LC, 2x V3 Bulk / Deflector (CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection)
Basically, you want to reach level 70 on the V3 beam and the V3 shields
tiny lily
Ah
light trail
is there a reason not to use v3 lcs?
quartz arch
I just unlocked the warp buff that multiplies compute by half your warp multiplier. Is this a good time to do challenge 5?
tiny lily
"(CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection)" What is CS?
Oh, well I just did 7 and 8 pretty easy after swapping to the CC8 loadout, heh
brazen scaffold
is there a reason not to use v3 lcs?
that's because you want their nodes that increase damage for all laser weapons, thus increasing the beam's damage by a huge amount in this challenge
brazen scaffold
"(CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection)" What is CS?
cyber specialist
brazen scaffold
I just unlocked the warp buff that multiplies compute by half your warp multipli...
probably depends on how big that bonus is, but my first thought says yes
light trail
there's a loadout in the pins here, but I'll share it anyway:
CC9 - 1x V3 Beam /...
awesome thanks, it took me a while but the bonuses you select really make a diff on taking on that s21 boss
quartz arch
probably depends on how big that bonus is, but my first thought says yes
A new 1600x multiplier to compute speed is pretty big.
brazen scaffold
I think that's enough to max a bar in the Advanced tab, and have decent speed for the next bar. You can always make a backup, then try the challenge. If you can't beat it, you can load your backup
quartz arch
I think that's enough to max a bar in the Advanced tab, and have decent speed fo...
So, after I finished challenge 5, I'm like.. "What, I only have to clear one more sector for the next one?"
So I did the 6th one as well.
The setup in the pin is really good.
trail kite
yeah they are not to hard if you sit in tracking for a little bit to max dmg
untold venture
For some reason my shields get smshed in Challenge 6 with the first shot of the boss.... so what do i miss here?
its 3x v2 bulk
astral zenith
what nodes
untold venture
astral zenith
16A B or C
untold venture
astral zenith
for laser cannons go full support
laser boost cd/power etc
and use laser boost automator module
untold venture
okay, now he kills me in two salvos, so this did help a bit xD
I'm sure i just miss some very basic stuff
astral zenith
not sure if using mass focuser on beam helps
ember tartan
is it possible to complete the core computing challenge 9 without salvage redirection?
well i manage it without, changed beam laser rapid ramp for mass focuser, and the boss melted in half second 😉
astral zenith
beam 2.0 if you cant get lv110 on 3.0
stuck jay
kinetic volley's damage buff also has the 10x buff
red lily
What is capstone skill and salvage redirection?
Is that with crew stuff that I don't have access to?
astral zenith
s51
red lily
Ok, understood
zealous pike
when should i do CC7?
i can fill 1.1++ now
astral zenith
backup your save to see if you can do it
zealous pike
umm
ok
glass topaz
you can just try, it doesn't cost anything but maybe 30 mins?
rain cedar
what does "(CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection)" even mean?
lavish wind
im doing something seriously wrong i think, ive beat sector 70, but for the life of my i cant get past compute challenge 7
rain cedar
ive beat sector 21 challenge and am only at sector 63 mainly cause ive been forgetting challenges
lavish wind
i have everything in the compute tab capped, i must be missing something basic
rain cedar
synt, reactor, crew all good?
rain cedar
what weapons did you set up
rain cedar
use the setup in the pinned message
CC9 - 1x V3 Beam / 5x V2 LC 2x V3 Bulk / Deflector (CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection
just go high version you can that still maxes upgrades
lavish wind
thank you, that did it, beat 7, 8, and 9 all in a row
i hadnt touched the laser cannon in a long time
trail kite
Laser cannon helps alot in this challenge because it is buffed
valid jungle
Here's a plot of the fraction you should sacrifice based on unmodified salvage/s
How did you get WA to play ball with this plot?
Neither of below seem to work to work:
LogLinearPlot[Evaluate[0.1 Exp[W[10 E s] - 1]], {s, 10^5, 10^30}]
log-linear plot 0.1 e^(W(10*e*s) - 1), s=10^5 to 10^30
short flume
is CS salvage redirection really needed to complete CC9? That seems really far away 😦
brazen scaffold
CS salvage redirection might not be needed nowadays, but it helps with completing CC9 earlier
quartz arch
How did you get WA to play ball with this plot?
Neither of below seem to work t...
log-linear plot 0.1 e^(LambertW(10*e*s) - 1), s=10^5 to 10^30
And the graph that I did was
log-linear plot 0.1 e^(LambertW(10*e*s) - 1)/s, s=10^5 to 10^30
valid jungle
ah, it must have been my assumption that WA would have assumed W=LambertW
Yeah, can repro now 😄
short flume
CS salvage redirection might not be needed nowadays, but it helps with completin...
I'm just at 51 unlocked crews around 40stats, not sure if I can do CC9 tho
the sticked one says 49 is ok
brazen scaffold
...man, that old pin keeps causing confusion, it seems. It's just some outdated stats, not recommendations for when to do CC1 to CC9
short flume
I guess at that moment it only have 49 sectors?
but I have done CC8 at around sector 45 without that capstone skill, maybe I will try it later today to see....
brazen scaffold
hmm... there's probably a way of gathering data about when people have done which completions of this challenge, putting that data together, then creating a pinned message here about it
so, that's about sector 46 for CC8. It's a start
pallid rivet
I'll delete or update those once I get power back
brazen scaffold
I can also unpin it
brazen scaffold
the very first message of this channel, which shares stats about average sectors for completing this challenge
this one
#1087075244583436378 message
valid jungle
Sylv could add some instrumentation into the game to emit a metric for challenge completions and the highest sector cleared, tagged with versions, s.t. this can be created (and invalidated) pretty easily in case of changes
short flume
cc9 really hard with my current progress lol.... near the end of s21 there's armored enemy and can't even beat them at all
retro into kinetic build in s21 maybe?
zealous pike
when will i able to do CC8?
1.25++ filled?
valid jungle
when will i able to do CC8?
1.25++ filled?
I did it whilst waiting for 48 push, without 1.25++ filled
unreal spade
so i guess i can do it in s56 XD
yup just blasted through it. I wonder if i can manage CC9. hmmm
unreal spade
Just finished CC9 took me about 54 minutes. no wheres near an opimized run
quartz arch
Hmm I'm S54 maybe I should try it...
livid urchin
Im on the third compute challenge... should I equip weapons on 1.0 or 2.0?...
astral zenith
Im on the third compute challenge... should I equip weapons on 1.0 or 2.0?...
can you afford lv110 on 2.0?
if not, 1.0
livid urchin
Nope, but I had 2.0 equiped XD so I was curious haha, thanks
wraith wedge
You can clear CC9 at s43 or so btw.
With the full v2 kinetic setup.
Dunno why people keep repping the laser setup with v3 lol.
rugged fulcrum
I can't find pinned messages. should all my weapons and shields be v2?
I'm at s50 trying to do compute challenges from 5 up
trail kite
I can't find pinned messages. should all my weapons and shields be v2?
If you are capping 10 ++ they can be v3 and you can smoke through until stage 20 then swap to kinetic or just wait a bit for tracking
rugged fulcrum
you mean 10 cap+ cap+? i've never got near capping that. should I be, at s50?
quartz arch
With the full v2 kinetic setup.
I'm doing CC9 after I end this run. Going to give full kinetic V2 a try.
wheat plover
I feel like I'm slamming my head against a wall with CC4, I've hit sector 35, can fill up bar 1.25+ with my computing loadout, but I just kind of get to Sector 13 and brick wall in progress
I've tried running a few different combos and mixing V1s and V2s, but I really can't seem to get past sector 13 for some reason
Like I tried running a beam laser and 3 LCs set to supportive routing, and either the V1 laser ends up underpowered or the V2 laser needs a ton of levels to catch up to the V1 even with 1.25+ filled, and this feels wrong?
ANd then I tried running nothing but kinetics, but they decimate everything, but the shields regen to fast in 13 to be overwhelmed so idk
wraith wedge
ANd then I tried running nothing but kinetics, but they decimate everything, but...
Just to make sure you aren't missing anything:
Compute shard
Battle shard on orange
Reactor compute
Compute module
Spend salvage to speed up compute
Spend VM for compute power
wheat plover
Yeah I did tweak my battle shard slightly (but it was swapping a level 1 orange for a max purple so really nothing) but I did a run again this morning and it went through fine. Idk
Finally happy its done.
tardy sequoia
cc9 is crazy beam 3 and lc, all kc nothing works and i am hours in
wraith wedge
cc9 is crazy beam 3 and lc, all kc nothing works and i am hours in
Run one bomb launcher, 5 Kinetic Cannons.
Every single KC like this.
The uncircled nodes are whatever.
You can have one KC going shield spec for shielded enemies.
Must have these nodes on your bomb launcher.
Spec into damage for your bomb launcher for bosses.
You will one shot bosses.
The only things that will give you trouble are the hull normal enemies in s21.
And maybe the shielded normal enemies in s20.
You might have to fiddle around with the bomb launcher's priority targetting for that.
And use damage nodes instead.
And have a KC on shield spec for the normal shielded enemies in s20.
The KC on shield spec would use damage nodes instead of armor boosting nodes.
For those shielded enemies at s20 specifically.
tardy sequoia
okay
wraith wedge
You can also cheese the normal enemies.
By just going forward max to the boss.
Then save/load.
When you load there will be no normal enemies, and you'll just fight the boss.
The bomb launcher should just one shot the boss.
If it isn't, use more damage nodes.
Also, reload the game for the new update, since that fixes bugs with core node choices.
vernal oyster
is the pinned loadout the current best one?
brazen scaffold
I think that a full kinetic setup with 1 missile + kinetic cannons also works. No idea which loadout is best, but I'm fairly sure they're viable
wraith wedge
1 missile doesn't have enough range, the boss will one shot you before you can one shot the boss unless you have deflectors unlocked.
Or the normal enemies.
brazen scaffold
what would you suggest instead?
wraith wedge
The one bomb launcher + 5 KC.
You can clear cc9 with around 30 minutes of tracking farm with v2 weapons.
At around s43.
brazen scaffold
wait... S43 for CC9 ?!?!?
timber plaza
What exactly is CS capstone skill?
wraith wedge
It's a s51 thing.
And also a thing you only really get like s65+(?)
You can clear CC9 at s43 though.
Ideally you'd have deflectors unlocked before doing cc9 though, it's easier that way.
The pin is fine up to CC7.
CC8 is actually the same as CC7.
And CC9 is better done with a v2 bomb launcher + 5 KCs.
timber plaza
ok thanks for clarifying!
austere geode
Just cleared CC9 w/ @wraith wedge 's setup, havent cleared s44 yet on non challenge
Ran 1beam + 5 LC till after s19 boss, then switched to 1 bomb +5KC
Using max damage bomb to kill s20 Boss
Then switching bomb to max support and 1 KC to max damage for s21 boss
3 bulk, all weapon 2.0
Thanks rockstip!
slate tangle
do advance computer lab work into this challenge?
brazen scaffold
yes
slate tangle
ty
rugged fulcrum
im not succeeding at cc8 and I dont understand why
astral zenith
im not succeeding at cc8 and I dont understand why
can you show your core
rugged fulcrum
I've seen people recommending full v2 kinetic
i've beat s52 so it seems like I should be able to have this
its been a day
astral zenith
id say 1 main 5 support is better
rugged fulcrum
I got stuck at 16 i think with the skirmishers
astral zenith
the players use laser build then retrofit to kinetic
rugged fulcrum
so if i replace missils with another cannon support
glacial umbra
which wave is the best for grinding improved tracking?
astral zenith
s4
glacial umbra
thanks
meager wolf
anyone able to share a loadout for core computing 5? currently struggling
I just saw the pinned comments
so I found it lol
uneven osprey
what makes s4 the main place to grind for tracking?
round verge
God I can't get to/past 20 on cc9. I've tried following several builds here and the game SAYS I can do it but
astral zenith
God I can't get to/past 20 on cc9. I've tried following several builds here and ...
is salvage redirection on
are laser/kinetic cannons set on support
round verge
I don’t have salvage redirect, I was following rockstip’s guide
hazy moss
CC9 - 1x V3 Beam / 5x V2 LC 2x V3 Bulk / Deflector (CS with Capstone skill -Salv...
I followed this, on normal runs I can get up to 73
I have that exact setup, have 1 crew member for compute
And yet I still cannot even get the Sector 20 boss
hazy moss
God I can't get to/past 20 on cc9. I've tried following several builds here and ...
Same 🙃
hazy moss
Just cleared CC9 w/ <@102422457704538112> 's setup, havent cleared s44 yet on no...
With that setup I cant even make it TO the S21 boss 🙃 I think i am doing something INCREDIBLY wrong
rain cedar
Maybe you're forgetting to enable some modules or reactor stuff
naive elk
So just finished CS9, cannot even get to 60 normal sector, Want me to share my build @hazy moss ?
Also to note, i breezed through it, was not a concern at all.
Well i'll share it anyways:
Not sure how much is relevant, so here take it all. @round verge For you too
hazy moss
Thank you for the thorough help, for some reason now it was a breeze after not really changing anything
Now i just have to get Compute up to 1e22
naive elk
Aha it just be like that sometimes
oak sand
should i still be using full support laser cannon during CC1 and 2?
round verge
Dunno what was different this time but yay, CC9 done!
west whale
guys i stuck at this challenge core 3/9 stage, challenge lit green so i took the challenge but i feel i can make it but i want to heard you guys opinion.~
west whale
ah ok i found out my problem which is i using 2.0 weapon and shield >.<
twin flicker
Done cc9 with @wraith wedge 's setup and @austere geode explanation, on s21 last wave before boss just needed a little luck with spawn armoured.
tender jasper
Run one bomb launcher, 5 Kinetic Cannons.
just finished with @wraith wedge's setup as well. Maybe we should pin the comment i'm replying to?
brazen scaffold
Better strategy for beating CC9, from @wraith wedge . It works as early as around sector 43 in normal runs.
- 1 beam + 5 laser cannons until S19 boss is beaten. All weapons V2.0, 3 bulk shields at V2.0 as well. Use all bottom nodes on laser cannons. On beam, use all the damage nodes, along with Laser Boost Power and Mass Focuser.
- After beating the sector 19 boss, retrofit to 1 bomb + 5 kinetic cannons. All weapons are V2.0. 3 bulk shields, all V2.0 as well. Circled nodes in the screenshots represent must-have nodes. Uncircled nodes can be whatever.
For S20 boss, use max damage bomb.
For S21 boss, switch bomb's nodes to support (bottom) nodes, and set 1 kinetic cannon to max damage.
You might need to set one KC's nodes to anti-shield nodes and damage nodes to deal with shielded enemies in S20.
brazen scaffold
Better strategy for beating CC9, from <@102422457704538112> . It works as early ...
stuck jay
how much tracking damage is needed to beat CC9?
brazen scaffold
iirc, about half an hour's worth of farming tracking if using kinetic setup
red lily
Better strategy for beating CC9, from <@102422457704538112> . It works as early ...
Why not beam V3? You can do it with V2 and below level 180ish?
brazen scaffold
I believe that's because using V2 kinetic weapons is way stronger than using a V3 beam
red lily
The V3 bulk shields produce better if you can get to 110. Just double checked.
If this is a minimum requirement though, it's not an issue.
Lol, I powered through s20 while forgetting to use support nodes on kenetic canons.
vernal oyster
What is the capstone skill?
astral zenith
What is the capstone skill?
compute level caps x25, salvage gain x0.01
vernal oyster
oh is that just the name of the skill type?
I cant afford that skill yet but the game is telling me I can do CC8
acoustic patrol
I started the Core Compute challenge because the notifier said I could handle it but I'm having a lot of trouble. I barely got through challenge 1 and now I'm stuck on challenge 2. My salvage generation has plateaued around 3,300/sec so I can't really upgrade my cores anymore
I saw some advice about running all laser cannons + 1 beam laser but the beam laser is barely tickling the enemies
pallid rivet
When you say you saw the notifier do you mean you saw the notifier so you did compute one and now you're trying to two? Or you had already done the first one and you saw the notifier so you're trying the second?
acoustic patrol
The latter
pallid rivet
make sure you are taking the "good" upgrade nodes on the laser cannon etc
acoustic patrol
I took the top row upgrades because of the challenge damage buff
My laser cannons are lv60, the beam laser is lv50
acoustic patrol
I wasn't aware there were tiers, so I guess tier 1?
pallid rivet
If you can't get to the node at 70 to take the bottom one the laser cannons aren't doing you much good
The improved tracking node will scale you pretty hard though so maybe just wait a bit for that if it seems like you're close
Unfortunately I can't recall how easy it is to get to 70 early on in the challenge
acoustic patrol
It costs 7.59e6 to go from 60 to 70 and I'm still making less than 4,000 salvage/sec. I'm running every compute boost I'm aware of (Compute shard, battle shard in Orange, compute module, reactor boost)
I guess I'll just let it run overnight and check it in the morning
pallid rivet
What do you have for the salvage consumption thing at the top of compute?
Ohh yeah you'll be able to do it overnight if nothing else shouldn't really need to leave it overnight but it'll work :P
acoustic patrol
I have it at 100/sec for x3
pallid rivet
well You can try double checking that your not missing anything by looking at compute speed on the stats and info page but nothing else coming to mind for me
west whale
erm im stuck~ QwQ have advise?
solemn agate
erm im stuck~ QwQ have advise?
same, even with max computing, idk what i do wrong
west whale
QwQ
deft hawk
Do I need warp compute sync to do cc4? Because I'm plateauing
deft hawk
For anyone interested cc4 takes about 4 hours without warp compute sync if you are at sector 30 (pick level 1 weapons and shields)
rain jungle
(CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection) what on earth does this mean
brazen scaffold
it refers to a specific thing in Crew, specifically Cyber Specialist's perk that increases the levels/sec cap by 1000
brazen scaffold
normally, you'd be able to get that perk during this challenge, but only if you're far in the 51-74 sector range. However, there's a much stronger strategy that allows you to beat CC9 a lot earlier, and it does NOT require this perk at all. It's in the pins in this channel
rain jungle
well, I was going for that one anyway
just didn't understand the capstone thing saying it's doable at 49
rain jungle
normally, you'd be able to get that perk during this challenge, but only if you'...
I'm getting raped at sector 19
actually 18
am I doing something wrong, or is it supposed to be slow?
because boss 18 one shots me
brazen scaffold
iirc, there are compute speed bonuses you can use in this challenge, such as compute shard, compute speed module, and reactor boost. They help a lot
rain jungle
I'm using everything
I was able to get past s19 with some well timed boosts
but s20 is wrecking me even harder
so I'm farming tracking and void matter
hope that will help
narrow mauve
Yeah, there was some bit about farming tracking
brazen scaffold
oh yeah, that part is missing in the pin
I vaguely remember that it was like 30 minutes of farming tracking
fierce thicket
farming tracking?
im about to attempt C9, currently only done up to C6 but at sector 50
oh ignore me, the core boost
astral zenith
is that even doable at sector 49?
salvage redirection is like s60+
rain jungle
I vaguely remember that it was like 30 minutes of farming tracking
lol I'm way above 30 mins
astral zenith
it is a strategy that allows you to do cc9 much earlier than you should
but its kinda luck based
rain jungle
it is doable
it just took me about 6 hours
and happened when I wasn't looking
you basically one shot bosses, but can't survive the minions
fierce thicket
what utilities am i supposed to run?
farming tracking rn
and what V Device setup is the best? feel like that should be added to the guide
fierce thicket
improved tracking goes up offline right? might just go to bed and make it easy
fierce thicket
jk
that was fast
i was afk with the wrong setup for the first 45 minutes
you have to actively time your buffs to beat 20 and 21, cant just afk. The luck of it timing perfectly is so rare, would take hours
this was my set up while trying to push
maxed tier 6 on void matter recovery, Computer speed, power generation, and i ran void beacon to farm waves faster at the beginning
rest is useless
run this to farm
summer forum
weapons
swift pagoda
I've been following the pinned strat. guide, and I've been idling for close to 40 hours now and I'm still getting stomped by S18. I'm using the beam and 5x laser cannon, with 3 bulk gens. All level 2. My improved tracking is currently around x24 damage. What am I doing wrong?
winter void
I've been following the pinned strat. guide, and I've been idling for close to 4...
you can try using using 1bulk 2 deflectors worked for me i beat 18 and 19 after changing to this build
swift pagoda
you can try using using 1bulk 2 deflectors worked for me i beat 18 and 19 after...
I'll give it a shot, thanks!
narrow mauve
I've been following the pinned strat. guide, and I've been idling for close to 4...
Are the laser cannons on the supportive routing?
devout escarp
for challenge 9 what level of shields and dps do you need? I have 5e13 shields and 2e16 dmg but I am not making much progress past zone 20
somber iris
I think something is wrong here .. from my understanding, if you disable auto upgrading in core tab, you should not get any upgrades, right? Why do my stats still rising?
astral zenith
I think something is wrong here .. from my understanding, if you disable auto up...
improved tracking/ablative shielding?
somber iris
improved tracking/ablative shielding?
I'm at S45, I don't know about these. Running on Beam 2 and Continuous Generators 2 now with one deflector .. and I'm getting like 1% improvement per minute both for dmg and sheilds (not measured, just rough guess)
astral zenith
I'm at S45, I don't know about these. Running on Beam 2 and Continuous Generator...
this upgrade here
somber iris
ah .. nvm .. I've totally forgot about these .. thanks
astral zenith
(its also 10 times as powerful in compute challenge)
somber iris
I knew I was missing something
tender wren
I feel like I'm missing something for CC4
I'm getting consistently stuck at 13-14 with the recommended build
(build)
I'm running all the compute buffs I have, I'm here on warp, and I have a 70x from base 2
...perhaps I should've asked in my progression chat, but I'm already here
remote token
im doing core computing challenge 4 and it says that my compute levels are supposed to convert to salvage... but i get zero salvage... ever... in this challenge... have no idea why... my compute levels are in the advanced tab...
astral zenith
wait a bit
remote token
been 9.5hrs... and ive tried turning off all the auto options as well, no change...
narrow mauve
It says “start challenge” for some reason
Maybe try restarting the challenge?
Also, you should prob use t2 weapons when you do end up getting salvage
You can beat the entirety of compute challenges using t2
astral zenith
ok uhh
looks like you entered another challenge
remote token
t2? nvm, i figured out the problem... im on the base challenge... im dumb...
astral zenith
moment
remote token
yep, i was in the wrong challenge, its working now... feel dumb now... lol gonna have to check the base challenge chat for strategies on it
astral zenith
base 1 and 2 are just
dont use boosters if you dont have base 3
vocal crescent
is the ability buff considered as full dmg node too? or is it support? talking about bomb launcher
brazen scaffold
buffing volley improves the damage buff it provides, so it's basically a damage node that affects all weapons, assuming volley is active
vocal crescent
so if the cc9 "guide" says full dmg on bomb is it with the volley buff or the rapid fire?
brazen scaffold
I think it would be volley buff
vocal crescent
alright, thanks. Also im struggling with not having enough shield for the boss. I kinda should be far enough to be able to complete it but not sure
devout escarp
I am really struggling on 9th level for this challenge
astral zenith
can you show your core
devout escarp
I followed the pins and my highest zone (73) is way higher than the recommended.
I tried some different combos, here's the current one:
astral zenith
thats the issue
devout escarp
I don't seem to get very good dps out of the 2.0 weapons, so I have been using 3.0
ohhh, tell me!
astral zenith
you should use 1 beam 5 laser cannon
or 1 bomb 5 kinetic cannon
devout escarp
is there some secret sauce I am missing there? I tried that setup and my dps was way lower
astral zenith
all laser cannon lv70 should be on "supportive routing"
well actually laser cannons should be all bottom path
beam should be all top except lv70 which should be bottom(mass focuser)
devout escarp
ok I am going to zoom back to zone 21, and retrofit to 1 bomb and 5 kintetic
which I believe is the z21 setup
astral zenith
also use laser boost/volley automator
devout escarp
So the idea is you always have volley up?