#👂┇game-feedback

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vital basin
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Revert good nerf please, it takes all the fun out of the already pretty shitty sledge after you nerfed it. First qm combos and now this 😭 just let melee players have fun
 please atleast make time somewhat reasonable like .5


small ingot
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Data Reshaper is now random on barrels?

frigid cloak
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What is going on?! I'm getting lvl4 aimbotters every Point Break game rn.
Litterally just got off a game with a lvl. 4 guy going 56-2 ragehacking with the LH1.
New improved AI anti-cheat my ass

hollow kelp
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shockwave nerf is actually horrible, i hope its just a bug and can be fixed

keen lily
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sliding in game broken 0 official communication gg

brisk canyon
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New update and Scotty still isn't a datable npc, games cooked smh my head /j
Reply if agree

sullen dew
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show peoples elo in friendlist next to their name

true karma
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revert this patch or fix the movement, game feels like unfettered ass to play now

strong dust
languid wagon
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Health changes feel good, heavy faster movement feels good, light slower movement does not feel very good

scarlet tide
slender oasis
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Hello, been a while since I've been here. This is a piece of my mind, and a sentiment to seasons past on this game. 1.9k hours. That's a lot of time to waste, and I don't like wasting time.
I don't think any of these changes are the changes needed nor that people have been asking for. This game has a serious identity issue it should REALLY figure out. Read that .txt cause man I've seen some stuff and this is that culmination of that surmise.
If I get banned for writing all this then good, proves me right. If not, I'm just gunna leave anyways, so I really don't care.
Final words, figure it out The Finals. Thanks.

📎 The_Finals_more_like_The_Final_update.txt
north dew
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"I don't like wasting time"
"1.9k hours"

Brother in christ

surreal roost
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Dude they need to fix this damn match making cuz why am I hard stuck in silver with 12 kills avg per round and my teamates have 2 kills and play like bots bruh!!! I hate this and even my friends who play bo7 are better than the avg player here and they barely even play this game. its so dumb that i can't random que and have one good teamate at least!!!!

tawdry sapphire
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The goo gun nerf would not be problematic if it was actually good at anything beyond combat, right now in the meta the cashout just gets launched into an open area with no cover, where heavy does not have anything like data reshaper to deal with those situations

A non combat goo gun is theoretically usable in indoors situations, but the current game meta just does not have that in dia+, every single cashout is just hole - wall - winch

So when you top that off with goo itself being nerfed HP wise and being way too easy to destroy, it just lost its plot, in what scenario is it useful now? Outdoors is useless, quick cover already exists with barricade, goo nade and dome shield where the spec slot gets filled up by something way worse than winch claw comparatively
In what world does winch claw not get reworked but this happens instead? Was goo gun really that much of a problem compared to how winch is turning the game into a roof sniper simulator?

signal bronze
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make the golden kitsune facewear work with hoods! please embark

livid mica
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we need a gateway skin and i have perfect idea, two ospuze cans

pure vine
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Making winch let you haul yourself up on stable structures like the lights grapple gun would take the edge off the whole light health buff

broken geyser
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I think to supplement the new changes, the heavy health should be at 325 but with a faster movement speed to make it a little more noticeable.

The light however should have its health brought down to 160-165 seeing as that grapple and dash barely shows the impacts of its character's base speed being reduced.

mossy fjord
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can we stop with the tacky gold cosmetics spam. Honestly I was kind of hyped for some new medieval amour but then it turns out its covered in gold filigree. Also please remove the modern branding from the medieval style cosmetics. It completely spoils them. Finally please give the option to remove contestant numbers from clothes. I dont need a massive neon orange number on a elven style jacket.

quick lark
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with this respec mode where does it put medium in comparison to movement with heavy 10% faster and light 10% slower?

gentle bluff
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feedback on the movespeed changes, too long to post: https://pastebin.com/JYgcT4JB
I am overall not happy with the changes and I do not think they will do what Embark want.

as for the goo changes, I am not seeing anyone liking it so I don't really have anything to add other than it's absolutely terrible. breaks kill setups, kills goo gun efficacy, makes stalling impossible.

all these changes only serve to kill skill expression and fun, without really making the experience better for new players imo.

vernal hedge
rotund sluice
# gentle bluff feedback on the movespeed changes, too long to post: https://pastebin.com/JYgcT4...

Goo gun stunchains were absolutely terrible and anyone with a brain knew it would be nerfed eventually.
Health and movement changes for respec order are great. The devs have spent three years trying every possible way to balance the game while leaving those untouched, and are telling us directly they will not create a better game without these changes. You may not like it because you are used to a certain way of playing, but that issue is because your muscle memory is having to adjust. Everyone said the same thing when the health regen changes were rolled out for each class - it will ruin balancing, make the game too arcade-y, blah blah blah. Everyone now agrees it was the best choice to make. They are not removing class identity, they are just making class identity better manageable.

The melee issues are a bug and they will fix those.

And saying "skill expression" is 100% pointless. I have never once seen someone say "skill expression" to mean objective skill, I have only ever seen it to justify why someone's opinion should be respected. The devs have years of balance data to back up why these changes need to be made.

urban swallow
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Shockwave and goo changes suck everything else idk we will see

tired meadow
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Embark, you just killed an entire play style. Goo sledge/spear was such a unique and fun play style that was actually pretty well balanced (otherwise it’d be seen in competitive play all the time). Goo gun was easily the hardest heavy spec in the game to use. Goo gun was basically nerfed by 75%. I don’t think there has ever been a nerf this heavy before. Like I’d be much happier if you had halved its ammo and made it take longer to reload, but instead you made one of the main functions of this specialization completely useless. The worst part is, you’ve messed with goo locking before! Every time you reverted the changes and apparently you STILL haven’t learned.

Also the speed/health changes that you plan on implementing are going to kill class identity even more than you already did when introducing healing to light and heavy. The main thing that brings people into the game is the raw variety of play, and it feels like you are actively trying to make all of the classes feel similar. Don’t do that! We want them to feel unique!

Embark. You are killing your game! You don’t listen to your community, you make unnecessary changes that hurts the larger player base, and you only seem to cater to competitive players. This is almost the last straw from me. I used to have so many unique play styles that I enjoyed, including goo spear. I loved how every class felt so different to play. Now the only thing keeping me in this game at this point is dagger. If you touch it, I’m done.

hard arrow
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Bring back Head2Head!
It was the most strategic but also laid back gamemode and it catered to an audience that the game does otherwise not reach. While it created solo-queue problems, those are solvable by either only allowing 3 stacks to queue or extending queue times and putting solos in only solo lobbies, or creating heavy penalties for players that leave games after it started!

I miss head2head 💔

vernal island
meager pollen
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The goo nerf completely wipes goo gun from viability

narrow slate
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I'm liking the health and speed changes, personally. I'm running more in line with my team and it means more engaged fights as opposed to a series of 1 v 3's. Also, I've no idea what these complaints about goo gun are, but I use winch. Oh! Speed changes makes heavy melee feel much more viable. Big fan. 🙂 I hope it stays!

ebon elbow
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I've just lost a game bc a misleading wipe sound. I thought our opponents were wiped but it was an another one far away from us. And this isn't the first time. There should be a difference in the sound, maybe the far wipe should be dimmer and/or in a lower pitch.

quartz ivy
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Add Bonus Pages to Legacy Battle Passes

hearty bough
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Fox object carry interactions - many times now if I grab a friendly totem “too quickly” and go around a corner to rez, the game decides a second later that I didn’t actually grab them and teleports the totem back to where it started

river valley
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All of the recent changes to what cosmetics can be paired with each other creates a desire for upper body pieces that have hoods having the ability to be paired with headwear. The Standing Guard + Mischievous Grin for example

eager roost
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I have a complaint to make
In previous patches i was able to use the customization TRADITIONS EDGE(HEADWEAR) and the customization VAIYA PROCEDRE(FACEWEAR) at the same outfit, when i tried to add something to it at the latest patch it was automatically changed and now i cannot use this customizations at the same time
Please look in to it i really liked that outfit

vestal pebble
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The recent patch is the worst patch I've ever experienced in any videogame, ever. I'm embarrassed to live on the same planet as the troglodite who pushed this through. Yandere dev could make a better patch.

severe forge
deep wigeon
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10.30 will go down in the finals history as the worst patch.
Only fix is to revert it, and make goo gun 0.50s at least.

mossy lance
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Revert the goo nerf. It completely kills Goo gun as a whole, not just goo sledge.

dull tiger
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@dense niche

worldly oak
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@dense niche

errant sedge
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This is the worst patch I have seen on the finals since I started playing at launch, why did we change the sliding and quick melee mechanics, now this game is starting to feel like apex with all the dead slides and the way quick melees work now.

If this update is not reverted this will be the end of the finals, and I don't want to see the game I love die because of of update

Embark don't mess with the core mechanics like thus again

fading condor
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I understand why goo got nerfed, but when an entire specialization revolving around it becomes borderline useless by association, you guys have to find a better way to handle changing goo ://

noble path
rigid cape
native halo
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Despawn last box in ranked like you used to, the games are always griefed in overtime, you can win every cashout and every fight but god forbid you to lose ONCE trying to secure the last cashbox - you're OUT.

marble osprey
toxic valve
ripe elm
gaunt cliff
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BRING BACK HEAD2HEADDDDDD. i've never begged for a game so badly, please lord bring it back

orchid root
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ditto ^ no reason not to have h2h

vale lantern
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dagger oneshotting a heavy makes perfect sense, 10/10 game, fix this shit

tribal gust
honest verge
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I've played goo gun since open beta and I wholly expected some sort of balancing to happen to it eventually. I think the CC ability of the goo gun fit the heavy theme of being a tank. If anything I think the ammo per clip should've been reduced, essentially nerfing the CC durability. It took some ability to lock a player down, and it left you vulnerable since you had to focus a single enemy. There was also skill expression involved as the goouser would have to hit the enemy torso to effectively block them from shooting.

I think the approach to balancing the goo gun was bad. It really gutted what has potential to be a niche and interesting playstyle unique to the finals. Meanwhile we have the Winch, obviously the most popular specialization likely since release, and a rehash of something already done ad nauseum in the industry, with the same headaches other games have experienced implementing it.

Overall I think Embark does itself a disservice by catering to the e-sport and competitive scene too heavily when the game is the perfect sandbox for innovative casual gameplay. I have felt that e-sports was going to be a flop and resented the resources it took away from the rest of the game.

coral seal
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embark please add the option for controller players to have different response curves for scoped in and not scoped in so that u can have for example exponential responce curve for hipfire and linear for aiming down sights. would be a really appreciated quality of life addition

gray flare
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dude if theres ever another update thats this fucking bad and introduces this fucking many undocumented changes and bugs im actually quitting permanently and this isnt a joke

mighty vault
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its still crashing

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tame chasm
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bring back head to head it used to be the most competitive and fair gamemode

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gritty tangle
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Bring back head2head quick cash is shit

wide oyster
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revert goo nerf

low goblet
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why did riot shield get elbow taken away when you hit

last mirage
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revert goo nerf, revert quick melee nerfs, revert sliding nerfs.

quick coyote
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Head2Head. Bring it back. Get rid of the third party simulator (quick trash). If someone wants to play some crack head mode, they have TDM, PS, and PB. H2H gave a fair and balanced experience of cashout without having to lock tf in every single second. It was also great for new players. My friend and I haven’t touched the game since it’s been gone. Guess we ain’t coming back.

west trellis
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I can no longer quick melee combo with melee weapons. There's like a solid three second delay between a left click and a quick melee which just totally kills sword even more, kills dagger combos, and riot shield. Pleeeasssee tell me this is a bug

short rock
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a limited gamemode that's just season 1 only loadouts would be cool and awesome I think

ruby sphinx
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Massive L of an update. Why not make this test bullshit a fucking LTM?!

fathom nest
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We need some more IRL merch

lean bluff
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Let shockwaces disparse smokes and buff smokes so they actually hide u and not just make u look like a idiot

echo radish
cobalt pendant
dry hill
narrow spade
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Should make it so that defender coins get extra time added if you kill subsequent players, it's too easy for ppl to coin in over and over currently making high skill moments especially 1v2 or 1v3s way less impactful than they should be

toxic sedge
empty zodiac
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Goo nerf before winch nerf.
H+ nerf does nothing against healing while stealing, but you address this issue in patch notes.
No fcar nerf, but 95% use it because there's no point to use other guns (fastest ttk, fastest reload, easy to control recoil, small hip fire).
It's pretty sad, that embark promote silly spray and pray playstyle by giving more ammo, while shotguns are slowly rotting in the side.

I escaped in the finals from other games, because it had the best shotguns, but I guess embark have other opinion about this and shotguns should be always an outsider.

eager gyro
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  • Bring back Head 2 Head

With the removal of Arena Debut, I thought you were finally going to readd this.

  • Quick Melee bugged or secret intention?

After today's patch QM can only be executed only AFTER the melee action is COMPLETELY over. This is really bad for people who are used to this mechanic after TEN seasons.

  • Please test before pushing to prod

You released stuff that was NOT documented on the patch notes. Such as my previous point. https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1494427437440700526

  • Friend List

is completely bugged. It shows friends connected when they are not, or playing/queueing when they are not. Introduced this season.

  • Chat censoring

Has been bugged since the introduction of this feature. You can type some insults but get censored on common words. It's ridiculous and frustrating. At least implement a workaround and allow turning this feature off.

dawn swan
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how to declare a bug, with last patch i found big one

silk copper
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Bring back qm :<
It just feels like an unnecessary nerf for many melee users like riot shield. Most of those weapons aren't very good anyways.

arctic bay
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I do think the goo nerf should have happened but they didn't give the Goo Gun any compensation buffs or anything.
Like better fire rate at least.
Or make right click deploy a 2x2 wall.

Or at least make it 0.3 or 0.4 instead of 0.2 seconds.

rich fox
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the riot shield has to be the least used weapon in the game lol.

maybe give it a buff or rework it

mental veldt
# honest verge I've played goo gun since open beta and I wholly expected some sort of balancing...

Completely agree, I come to the finals mostly to experience unique and refreshing gameplay exclusive to this game. I played goo gun for that reason. Every game I played I have to contend with the endless amount of heavies running winch claw because of its straightforward utility and incredible value.

But I love being able to put genuine thought and effort into getting kills with the goo gun, as it takes far more than one click to get value from it, and when it actually works it feels amazing.

Just hopped on and played goo gun and it is just unusable now. I tried to work around it but without being able to stall for that 0.8 seconds and reposition you are completely left out in the open. By the time you put away the goo gun and take out a weapon the enemy already has the time to empty half of their mag into you.

I genuinely want to know why it was necessary to nerf it to this degree. Was it really that oppressive in the meta, because I hardly see goo gun over winch in any given game. I do not think removing the versatility of the most versatile specialization in the game is the right move.

Like Funky said, an ammo nerf would be perfect, as it forces the player to rely on aim to get value out of it instead completely tanking one of its main uses.

azure dagger
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If you want to bring more attention to the major and have more Americans fly out in attendance or tune in then you wouldn’t host the major during American thanksgiving

royal moon
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I really do love the minor bug where the Practice Range continues to play the main menu's seasonal OST in the background. Makes my daily practice a bit more enjoyable. Would love for this to become a permanent thing. Maybe a jukebox on the wall?

torpid yew
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Bring back Head2Head and revert goo nerf or atleast make the time 0.6 or something.
Also don't like the light speed nerf or heavy HP decrease please don't make it permanent.

spice stag
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starlight hollow is actually the worst map the game has ever had and its not even close

celest chasm
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WTF DID YOU DO TO SHAPER YOU ABSOLUTE MONSTERS????????????

tender hill
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Since the patch today, the game crashes every 15 mins

dense parrot
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for the love of god embark please stop nerfing movement, please fix the shockwave, it is so bad now

stark notch
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Dev Note: The H+ Infuser still performs a little too well compared to the Medium’s Healing Beam and can be too powerful in securing Cashout steals while under fire. This change has been made to level things out

nerfing the cooldown does not address the issue they're presenting in their explanation. you need to either nerf the healing per shot, the fire rate, or ammo count to lower the insane burst healing while under fire

sonic spoke
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They did not wait 10 seasons. Goo was significantly changed in season 3 or 4. Then again later.

outer wasp
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HI i just wanted to give it you the feedbacks about the changes in world tour. After few hours of gaming, light felt definitely too slow and vulnerable. With the heavy the sensation was better but i was reflecting on what the heavy should mean into the game mechanics: should be a bullet sponge, a tank or not?

haughty musk
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Hey I just wanna say that the sword did not deserve any of what was done to it this is absolutely ridiculous and u literally just made a perfectly balanced weapon way harder to use and it already required a lot of skill y take take the quick melee u already have a camera lock feature and damage reduction u cant just keep taking things away from melee especially the sword can you please bring back the quick melee or buff something else with the sword plzzz this is beyond stupid

still rose
main horizon
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H infuser didnt need the nerf idc what you say

proud plinth
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Goo didnt need to be nerfed this bad set it at like 0.5 0.2 is way to low

wooden atlas
neat yoke
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please playtest updates for bugs before releasing patches that completely break the game in multiple major aspects, thanks

dark niche
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now that the starlight hollow mode is gone......where is h2h??

hushed quiver
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As a Light main since S2 with 540h;
Thanks for the health update.
It feels good to not die to a sneeze for once.
Good change, keep it

queen matrix
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Very good change to light, its good to have a fair fight with anyone doesn't matter if its heavy or medium, i really like it.

worldly knot
burnt notch
tranquil karma
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Having tried the new light and heavy in the respec for a bit, I can confidently say they both feel worse.

Light: Feels like a weak medium, can't run away in time when caught off guard or trying to retreat, not fast enough to chase people down efficiently. The extra health is not that noticeable but the decrease speed is VERY noticeable.

Heavy: Not a tank. The increase in speed is nice I guess but when playing heavy I'm not trying to run around all the time/push a lot, I'm trying to play center while my teammates can orbit around me. The decrease in health makes it harder to tank effectively, esp considering how long it take to start health regen without healing items.

Ultimately the classes each have their roles. Light is a glass cannon that runs in and out of the fight dealing dps, getting cleanups, flanking. Heavy is a tank that can draw enemy fire, set up cover, hold ground for the team to play around. Medium plays an in between role capable of doing both heavy and light tasks, clearly not as well as lights or heavies but able to alternate as a team needs.

The respec health and movement changes actively make lights and heavies worse at their respective roles in a team comp. To be very clear, if they move forward with the respec changes despite the clear negative reaction I'm seeing from players across the board I believe that would be community betrayal and would cost the game a large sum of players.

Not even gonna talk about the other 10.3 changes here, pls playtest your patches, I hope to god that the slide, melee, and shockwave issues are bugs and not intended. The reshaper and googun don't deserve this. https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1494427437440700526

cinder hedge
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Where’s head 2 head 😓

idle sentinel
tawny oak
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Give starlight hollow back its own playlist

manic burrow
tribal spoke
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Yeah so the melee changes? Bug? Rework? whatever this is that makes qm no longer usable mid melee animation, it killed dual blades they are dead in the water they already struggled in high elo but workable now they are truely dead. This needs to be fixed and Im certainly not planning on playing until it is

unreal fossil
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It baffles me that the Goo Gun, the most creative/versatile Heavy spec that's also always been the least picked, gets a semi-direct nerf that essentially kills its combat capabilities before the Winch does.

Yes, the Goo Gun could be oppressive when spammed. But using the Goo Gun as a combat tool only synergized well with FT/Sledge/Spear, and was only realistically efficient at a range comparable to the Winch, assuming you didn't spam and could hit the feet/chests of your targets reliably.

Others might disagree, but IMHO, using the Goo Gun to its full potential, especially in combat scenarios, requires a lot more skill than using the Winch.

The Winch has been an uncontested and unhealthy meta pick for several seasons already. Its ability to stun make it a ridiculously cheesy/borderline broken when paired to meta Heavy weapons like SA1216. Those with enough playtime know that most Heavies suck ass if and when they fail to hit with their precious crutch spec...

The right way to fix both specs would be to reduce the ammo capacity and/or add a cooldown to the Goo Gun, forcing players to make more conservative use of their ammo, while Winch Claw has its stun effect removed entirely.

limpid orchid
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GIve bonus XP to a random Quickplay game everyday (with a clear indication on the World Tour page) so players can naturally try other gamemodes
Many new players that never even played Pointbreak tried the Starlight Hollow LTM just because of the "Arena Debut" tag

Once again, the reason for this and many of my matchmaking requests is the same: its hard to queue for some gamemodes in South America

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gritty jetty
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when you inevitably nerf the 93r again please just put it back to what it was before instead of making it even worse

west skiff
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Replace the goo nerf with a 'decaying' system:
instead of always being 0.2 seconds, let the first goo that sticks to a player stay at 0.8 seconds, then subsequent goos within a short period of time will have their duration decay; 0.8s, then 0.6s, 0.4s, and then 0.2s repeatedly until that player has not been gooed for some time.
This would maintain Goo Gun's ability to stifle approaches or escapes or interrupt interactions, without allowing it to stun-lock players for an extended period of time

The problem with goo gun was not its ability to lock players in place, but its ability to do that repeatedly for extended periods of time with little counterplay. Limiting their ability to do this only once or twice would largely solve the problematic design while still maintaining the various skillful combos and use cases for goo lock.

sweet barn
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not a fan of the light change i die slower but cant seem to escape like i used to due to being slower

pine garden
sonic arrow
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Embark I'm glad we're trying changes out before sending them, but this is not it

Respec genuinely sucks and can potentially ruin the game

And speaking of ruining the game, #1494427437440700526 Because this is probably the most game breaking bugs we've ever had in an update.

wind marsh
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I'm not sure what is in store for the melee rework next season, but this patch completely destroyed its current form. From the health and speed changes, to quick melee not canceling, to sliding being messed up. Hopefully the movement changes are unintentional but the rest still completely overlooks melee as a combat system.

ruby igloo
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0.2 sec is too low. Goo Gun doesnt effect the player at all.

versed hazel
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goo nerf before winch nerf is actually kind of insane

round granite
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bruh people will always cry about something every time a new patch drops , making everyone happy is impossible . i think EMBARK should focus on bringing more new playstyles instead of static ones based on data insights.

eager nacelle
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Why nerf goo gun when barely anyone uses it, why nerf heavy when they are the most shunned character in general, why buff light when they are arguably the most busted character in the entire game. worst patch to date

cyan sable
tame zealot
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One thing i'm genuinely curious of is why the nerf to both Dagger and Sword's swing speed? I mean sword I get in some cases, but dagger is so small and much less damaging imo

ember ferry
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oh my god melee feels so awful now, why are quick melees and slide attacks gone now

plain palm
still bronze
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I'm here to complain about the goo gun
It needs a right click action that freezes players, but takes way more goo ammo to use. My primary counter against obnoxious melee players is gone :(

ocean eagle
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The smurfing is out of control this season and it's making me want to quit the game

craggy basin
young drum
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yall added 2 bullets to the xp? i need more range and faster reload on this POS

obtuse phoenix
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As a heavy main, i actually like the hp adjustment and speed boost

I think light maybe only needs to take a -5% speed instead of the -10% but the hp boost is probably good

BRING GOO LOCK, BACK HOLY F BRING GOO LOCK BACK
Goo lock is a tech skill that you must learn. It keeps the game interesting and fun and competitive. Even if goo lock is at .5 lock instead of the original .8 it would make all the difference

versed cloud
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Although I haven't truly taken the time to feel out all the changes I will say I appreciate your efforts to try and make the game better. Just make sure you're careful playing with lights speed as people are going to percieve that as a shortening of the skill gap. I believe many of the weapons don't feel good in their current states, and should have more impact on the field. Just keep working on it until you find that sweet spot. Thanks Embark

elder viper
slow pagoda
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^ i agree with this the flamethrower spam/winch combo is inescapable and kills the enjoyment completely for the round

hybrid patio
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i feel for the heavies, i think you should bring back goo gun- it’s found its niche

ps.
please more nama tama merch! oversized tshirt, emblem, gun, grenade, upper back and hat please half_friend sad_friend

also, restock on the plush i need a replacement đŸ€

novel rune
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the goo change takes away the spirit of the goo life.

reef jay
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goo gun change is awful just tested completely lessens the enjoyment of goo gun

cursive urchin
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Quick melee nerf is awesome, but I would take it a step further: when you are using a melee weapon, "quick melee" should just trigger that weapon's normal attack, similar to how it works in Marvel Rivals.

Right now, having both a melee attack and a separate quick melee creates a burst combo that feels unintuitive. New players especially will not understand why they suddenly took so much damage compared to a standard melee hit.

Pressing an extra button does not really add meaningful skill expression, it just adds confusion.

tall sparrow
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I liked the hp and movement speed adjustments, but the goo change feels bad as a goo player.

winged hawk
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Speaking from 3 games of anecdotal evidence trying out the Respec order changes so far, 2 as Heavy, 1 as Medium:

Generally, it felt like my team could arrive at the same fight and be in the same proximity without any class breaking off too far to be completely unable to respond to threats. Even in a game on Kyoto, of all maps, with 2 Light teammates, I, as a Heavy, was able to be within at least 30m or so of them during each fight.

It was also nice to see Light teammates be able to participate in direct combat without immediately dying after being looked at. I was able to take time as a healing Medium to buff a Light teammate taking direct fire without them getting beamed.

Any occasions where our team lost direct engagements usually felt like there were the result of bad initial positioning or other mistakes rather than the team feeling like they couldn't catch up to each other. Two instances included moments of me either Charge 'n Slamming off high ground away from my teammates or into two enemy players without checking where they were.

I'll need a few more games of testing these changes out to see how the perspectives are from playing Light, but from what I've seen, it is easier and nicer to fight together.

snow venture
simple ether
#

Everytime I come back to this game Iam quickly reminded why I left. Gave is plagued with cheating smurf accounts.

small spruce
#

i havent played this game since season 7 i come back and im still getting dominated at long ranged mid ranged and close ranged by lights with bolt action snipers just delete it from the game until you actually balance it and make some kind of mechanic that make it fair to fight at all ranges with all guns im uninstalling till theres actually a change is made to that thing

wraith gale
#

TY for nerfing H+ infuser, this was part of my S11 wishlist
that is all. refer to my older message to see the rest of my wishlist. I'll play the game more when some of those get implemented

pliant lichen
#

Legitimately suspicious how hysterically unnacceptable this patch was, like it genuinely feels like an attempt to kill the game. Money laundering or something and the game needs it's plug pulled. Wtf is this?

Like there is so much to list off that you've straight up broken in one patch that it's not worth the time to type it all in here.
Seriously revert this patch. Not as a joke either. Straight up ctrl+z this shit cos you've somehow managed to put the game in the worst state it's EVER been and THAT is saying something.

Save this game, holy fuck. Please save this game.

languid wagon
#

The health changes are good and heavy speed buff is fine but light speed nerf was NOT needed

dry lava
#

DO NOT GIVE LIGHTS 25 MORE HEALTH PLS
its already hard to kill lights in one combo with a spear I have to do 2 melees and a winch to kill but that only works if they don't have dash or grapple so my only option is to rpg but with 25 more hp it goes from very hard to impossible to kill a light without an rpg

rocky torrent
#

So quick melee change has completely nerfed all melee weapons over all, all the combos that melee had was with qm so dagger is like no longer viable for high level plays anymore since one of its main gimcks is gone for the heavy backstab qm

hexed grove
#

Dual blades are stupid, change their hitbox

toxic coyote
#

nerfing shockwave was the most anti fun thing you could do

spring plank
#

The HP increase on light is a good change. It’s not super noticeable, but in certain situations it really helps survivability, so it’s definitely a step in the right direction and feels fair overall.

However, the 10% movement nerf on light is not needed at all. The class needs survivability, not to be slowed down. You’re giving light more HP, then taking that away by making it easier to catch and kill. That just cancels the benefit. Light speed should be reverted to how it was.

For heavy, both changes feel good. The movement speed increase is nice, and the HP reduction is fair. Heavies already have a lot of HP and access to strong sustain, so there’s no need to bring 350 HP back.

About the goo changes, calling it a “niche playstyle” ignores how it feels on the receiving end. Getting gooed and locked down while being burned or smashed isn’t fun, it just removes control from the player. It’s the same frustration people complained about with stun gun, but now those same players want their version back.

And then there’s winch, which is still doing the same thing. It pulls you in, cancels what you’re doing, and puts you in a losing fight with almost no counterplay.

Also seeing people @dry lava say light HP shouldn’t be increased because they can’t kill lights with spear combos is wild. Spear already has huge range with right click and doesn’t need precise aim, plus winch and RPG exist. If someone still can’t finish a light with all that, that’s a skill issue.
Meanwhile dagger gets nerfed and can’t reliably secure backstabs, especially vs heavies holding right click.

If these abilities stay, especially winch, then stun gun should come back too. Otherwise it’s one-sided. You can’t remove something for being annoying and keep mechanics that do the same thing.

Right now it just feels inconsistent, and the double standard is obvious, and balance should favor fair gameplay, not frustration.

nimble mural
#

Will I get banned if I use a hall effect keyboard? I don't have one but I've been thinking about getting one.

daring ingot
#

DAY 22 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

storm veldt
#

BRING BACK HEAD2HEAD

quick bough
hearty vector
#

Remove light, medium, and heavy and add the poo class that farts on enemies until they are very smelly

zinc wolf
glad quail
#

pro tip
dont ask some one a survey question when they are queued up for another match right off the bat

proven mist
#

did embark nerf the shockwave? prior to the most recent patch, I used to be able to shockwave off of all types of jumppads to get extra height and distance, and now that doesn't seem possible anymore

ebon kindle
#

The recent bug fix to fix the double shockwave bug has inadvertently removed nearly all tech related to jump-pads, such as the ability to launch yourself horizontally and vertically, some clarification if this was intended to remove said tech would be appreciated, and if the changes aren’t intentional, a fix would be greatly appreciated

smoky zenith
#

why is everyone just more medium now.

dusky tinsel
# simple ether Everytime I come back to this game Iam quickly reminded why I left. Gave is plag...

100%, nearly every other match there is a dodgy player with 10 wins who knows everything about the game and has perfect aim. They're either cracked players smurfing, which should be bannable because it's anti-fun and destroys the already very loose matchmaking even further, or they're banned cheaters coming back for more.

I understand it's difficult on a free game to eliminate this problem completely but more needs to be done about this

stable mica
#

The goo nerf is bad. Makes using goo to slpw down a melee fighter useless now

tired meadow
sonic geode
dreamy locust
lost merlin
#

Add Mr. Worldwide ( pitbull singer ) as a skin, maybehe would be down for a colab!!!

spare topaz
#

Trophies and canisters are fucking bugged dude. Anytime I pickup my teammate or a barrel it is immediately dropped.

Friends list is also bugged. So many people that show up online are not truly online.

glacial rapids
unborn salmon
#

I've never felt the need to post anything but this is the worst patch I've ever played

brisk laurel
#

I can't play world tour because of the experimental changes. Please make it a limited time mode on a separate playlist. Otherwise I won't be back until next week.

orchid osprey
#

This latest patch got me thinking I should maybe just uninstall.

regal drift
#

Hey what does error code Tfla0027 mean

stray wing
solemn sedge
upbeat inlet
#

This patch neutering shockwave is actually asinine. Disappointment is immeasurable and I genuinely believe the spec is complete trash now.

Assuming the extent of the nerfs is not just a misunderstanding due to it being a bug, it's just cooked and way worse dash.

That being said, light main now. RIP Med main season 1-10.

cloud jewel
#

Shockwave specialization was awesome before the patch. Now it's just sad...

hazy shore
#

did you turn off the anti cheat with this updated? ranked has been filled with them tonight

sonic spoke
#

It's not just ranked

chilly perch
#

Please give us communication even just saying “hey we’re aware of this this and this and working on it” would make most of us feel alot better the fact y’all aren’t even doing that though is making us worry that this stuff isn’t gonna get fixed or isn’t a bug in the first place.

leaden shell
#

Congrats embark u managed to spit in the fave of ur melee players even more well done

sick junco
#

Used to be the sword Light before the sword nerf. After this, turned into the goo/sledge Heavy for a year or so. Deleted the game two days ago (spear secondary tracking really need some lookout, check the bug report section for more info) and, after reading a recent patch notes decided that I'm not coming back soon.
And for a statistic (from a gold rank perspective), for a year of playing I met 5-6 other goo/sledge players (with 3 goo/spear tryharders). Now, it seems like the playstyle would completely extinct.

final kelp
#

I just came up with a potential solution to point break's issue where it's too easy to stop defusing: what if, defense getting kills increases the time to detonate actively armed boxes by like a second?

civic flax
jolly dagger
#

So when are those bigger hats in merch store dropping gang.

gray bough
#

I completely agree.

Now it feels like we're all different subclasses of medium

I don't get why we are stripping the game and its classes of its identity. I didn't install this game to be playing cod

cunning laurel
#

this most recent patch has made me really sad.

demat from 10s to 20s was already brutal. shockwave was at least a good alternative. now shockwave/pad tech doesn't work anymore, data reshaper barrels are now random, quick melee is either broken or nerfed. none of which is in the patch notes.

either this is the most spaghetti code I have seen in a long time or you're up to something and don't want the community to get upset because you're carving all the fun out of the game.

young hatch
#

Every game QC, 3 stack pre made.
Every game 3rd.

Solo queue casual is what brings in players. Having every game, back to back, game after game against pre made 3 stacks is why new player retention is so poor.

FPS games are made from casual players, competitive side feeds from casual play. Fix the matchmaking, allow solos to play each other only in QC. Ranked is ranked
 it’s supposed to be pre made teams, so not fussed about that.

clear haven
#

Dear Embark, the real problem with the H+ Infuser is that it heals so much in such a short amount of time that it makes the person being infused effectively invulnerable.
Why is that? 800 RPM. I have no clue why you keep making all these insignificant tweaks instead of addressing its biggest problem point: HP per second. I’d suggest gutting its rate of fire down to 600 (you can start with 720 if you think that’s too drastic), then it’ll truly be put in its place.

toxic valve
warped haven
#

Needing to empty the mag to use the quick reload on the arn feels so clunky. It would be cool if you could single tap r to half reload and double tap r to do a full reload, or something of a similar effect

torpid solar
#

Am I the only one noticing the spawn change in Cash Out, or am I slow? Why is it that when it’s a team wipe, we’re spawning almost 200m away from the cash out we just had? Stg there’s moments where we could’ve stolen it back, but because we’re so far there’s no time to even try getting there.

rigid cape
narrow birch
#

pretty strongly dislike this change to light. The health regen rate is the worst thing imo. Its so hard to play the light poke playstyle which i feel is very common with this massive nerf..

spark crown
#

fix the anticheat asia ranked is dying from cheaters

clear moat
#

Melee is completely useless now in the same season that was supposed to encourage melee

amber granite
#

fix smurfing

topaz harbor
unreal mortar
#

I love game

junior oasis
#

I’m so tired with this game it’s like fighting 3 things and the creators of the game at the same time. 1. Cheaters/Smurfs run rampantly as ever. 2. Server issues never resolve 3. Matchmaking is still dogshit .

And add the fact that creators have themselves forgotten what made this game special. S1-S2 was the best time of this game. Everything after that has been a clusterfuck to say the least.

Their whole balance approach is so much based on Spreadsheet and Comp(Esports) that makes no sense given the games player base already hanging on to life support. Casuals have nothing to go for in this game. Other games have comp grow naturally but not at the cost of casual player base because they know that’s what keeps the game alive. And look at this.

Funny how they understood that with Arc Raiders but fail to implement it here despite the success. I wouldn’t be surprised if half the OG crew left the game.

All this game is just Store updates with cool animations and skins. That’s it.

The new balance updates as usual favour heavies and Lights and anything good medium is just unacceptable for the Dev team for some reason. Medium has heal specialisation nah let’s give them to all classes as gadgets. Medium gets movement with shockwave nah, not allowed with the Sole exception of Evasive dash on lights of course.

The new respec order is a joke - yeah let’s give 25 more health to dash spamming melee light users , they surely won’t draw the new player base away. Two years later to this game and now their thinking of this lmao 😂😭 can’t make this shit up. Give heavy more movement because that’s just what they need. Medium and fun nah not allowed play support+ victim always. Nobody asked for this shit. There’s a reason this game has a low player base it ain’t underrated.

I’m just moving onto other games way too many games out there to make what little gaming time I have not be awful.

sudden trail
#
  • Please bring back the cashout location at top of the crane at least to the non competitive matches (quarter and semi tournament matches and other casual modes)
  • Please add the collapsing crane sound effect from the destruction teaser video to the game. It creates a great sense of danger in the video but I don't ever remember hearing it in game.
simple bronze
hollow kelp
scarlet pilot
spring plank
#

Seeing people say “melee is completely ruined” after this patch is wild. Where was this energy when light melee, especially dagger, kept getting nerfed again and again? No one said anything then, but now goo gets changed and suddenly melee matters.

That double standard is obvious. Heavy and medium melee gets touched and it’s a crisis, but light melee has been getting worse for a long time and nobody cared.

I’ve also seen medium players complain about melee while relying on Shockwave, which exists to shut down close range fights. You can’t run something that counters melee and then complain melee feels bad.

Light has been hit the hardest. Dashes nerfed, movement nerfed, dagger and sword heavily affected. At this point dagger is basically dead. There’s no reason to use it anymore. The backstab angle especially needs to be reverted back to 180° from 150° so it actually connects consistently.

Movement nerf on top of dash nerfs just kills the class identity. Light is supposed to rely on speed and precision, not be slowed down this much.

If anything, melee should be made consistent across all classes, not selectively nerfed. Heavy could use a slight movement buff, but light should keep its HP and original speed.

Movement matters, and saying a 10% nerf does nothing just shows lack of understanding. @scarlet pilot @hollow kelp if a light escapes or fights using dashes, that’s the point. Track better, use your tools, and adapt instead of expecting free kills.

The game should reward skill and counterplay, not favor one class. Right now, most feedback just sounds like people wanting their own class stronger instead of the game being balanced.

bright crest
#

yeah the light's movement change feels less impactful than the heavy's, on heavy it feels like im playing medium lol

supple tinsel
#

delete starlight hollow

safe ravine
#

Everything about this patch is despicable, I spent the last few week trying to find a cool and fun build with Shockwave, even made a character out of it. With the cool new cosmetics, I made Geralt in game, playing dual blades, mines, aps and data reshaper.

Now honestly the build is just ruined, shockwave just feels too sluggish to play now. And dual blades are basically dead. Not to mention the fact that aps can't be picked up again and the CD is the same 🙂
Just ruined my build COMPLETELY. I honestly don't want, for the 3rd season in a row, to run meta boring sheet (heal beam, with fcar jumpad and defib) in ranked to be able to reach diamond.
I wanted to grind diamond with my off meta pick, for fun. But apparently Embark hates fun.

This patch is just utter dogwater, I love your game, but this kills it for me, anything fun being removed is so sad to see. At this point, just go back to dice and work on battlefield, if ur gonna remove player expression completely, and only make the most average fps game again.

Edit: Also, I always hated goo, felt too strong and never played that stuff, thinking it was unfair and too strong. Big time hater of the goo gun here aswell, but Embark WTF.... 0.2s? Round it down to 0s, or better yet just remove goo, it's the same result.

lost python
honest wing
grand hare
#

fix shockwave, nerf winch, buff goo, buff m60, add more recoil to arn

wicked void
#

fix shockwave
fix shockwave
fix shockwave

tropic pebble
surreal spear
#

I like the change to HP and movement speed for heavy and light, bringing them closer together. After spawning its always its always a 1v3 / 1v1 on box or wait as light for the team. The wait kills the ground gained through speed. (Yeah yeah poke and such) I like that the heavy can keep up. More team engagement on tap 1. Feels good individually and for the team

pine raft
#

2 week break, first match get shit on by some level 19 account which surely is a new player. time for another 2 week break ig. no reason to try to compete with such a system where every other player is a smurf and the rest have diamond badges in silver :D not to even mention all the bullshit like winch, constant thirdpartying and griefing. all in a system which punishes u greatly for losing. and people wonder why no one plays this game

the game lets you down on every possible occasion. something as simple as shooting a zipline with thermal bore doesnt work. it breaks everything around the zipline but the zipline remains intact. something as simple as that doesnt fucking work in this game

just honestly fuck this game, its so dissapointing and frustrating to even touch this. i truly hope i never touch this again

willow hamlet
#

HP change is terrible i saw a light tanked a burst of P90 and the speed change is pratically pointless for Heavy, this patch allow Light to run away more often than it already did before and it's even more annoying with sword player and SH1900

outer wasp
#

I think that some of you out there is confusing skill issue with real actual problems of the game. The patch is bad, but stop complaining about every random thing.
The biggest problems of the game are always the same:

  • smurfing/cheating
  • griefing
  • server status
  • matchmaking
    About the new patch:
  • the problems are not on the movement of the characters
  • lowering hp on heavy for some speed could be ok, but what is the identity of that role? Is he a tank or not?
  • Light with this speed could be ok but i think that some weapons should do less damage or is too easy to kill
desert lichen
#

nice server, ONLY this season I stared to have ping with the red icon on the screen, unplayable

fading chasm
#

When blunderbuss in game on heavy

candid folio
#

OCE servers still laggy constantly

feral charm
# 
I was high platinum dagger main I could easily carry any game winning around 50% of 1v3 on average 13 kills per round and 1 death but now I cant do anything even in low gold 0 kills 10 deaths

I wanted to record 1 ranked dagger montage per season but I cant win anything
I recorded S8 and S9 (S9 is not uploaded cuz no thumbnail)
if I try to record for S10 no clips even on lower ranks

dagger is now just a meme weapon that is used for trolling
I became heavy main and when I see a dagger I just think oh a free kill (dagger used to counter heavy now its useless)

I know that there will be a melee rework but even if backstab returns to 180 degrees then it still be worse than when it got nerfed to 75 degrees cuz everything else in loadout got nerfed a lot of times

Idea for rework
1. lazy:
- just revert most of the nerfs

2. full rework
- dash gets 2 charges and 5.5s recharge (this change will also make fighting lights less annoying cuz they will not spam dashes as much)
- backstab will restore 1 dash (to allow chain stabs)
- 160 backstab angle
- make verticlal backstab angle 180 degrees
- fix backstabs registering as normal hits
- fix range (sometimes you cant thit enemy from 1m and sometimes you can snipe some one from 10m)

also remove winch cuz its not fun to use and its not fun to play against so its lose lose + revert sword to season 3 cuz current sword is annoying to play against and use so its lose lose, season 3 sword was fun to use and fun to play against```
vital basin
signal basin
#

Nerf the XB ffs

Season 10 : Medium Legacy

keen lily
#

10 seasons and ranked matchmaking and griefing is still ass, you are either the best team and go through the rounds or you are the worst team and get griefed in, double jeopardy changed absolutely nothing

winter turret
#

Dreamless

maiden anchor
#

I can't stand being matched with bad players on my team anymore, man. I'm not the best, but I want a team that's at least decent.

sterile plank
#

Just got a fun idea for a buff to Data Reshaper.

Usually I'd ask for it's third charge back or a faster recharge rate, but I got a fun idea that makes use of the barrel rotation.

What if right clicking on a barrel reverses the barrel rotation?

Like a smoke canister then turns into a red barrel by right clicking it, instead of it turning into an orange barrel as it usually does with a left click

crystal viper
frozen tree
tepid tapir
#

please change goo stun to .4 seconds at least so that the stun is just long enough to stick the goo and switch to flame to light it or switch to hammer to bash someone... I'm not one of the dummies asking for a full revert, I know anything longer than that just makes it cheese again but anything shorter (this .2 second bs) makes it useless...

faint lotus
delicate crypt
#

i only want to know, the nerf to the shockwave is wanted or is a bug to be fix, becouse there arew no info in the patch note about the change

quartz ivy
#

Add Bonus Pages to Legacy Battle Passes

tawny thorn
#

~embark WHY DO YOU UNBAN CHEATERS? proof: PIANSIX#0892 was banned in S9 for rage hacking to Ruby but currently climbing in S10 Ranked. WTF is wrong with you
~raise minimum lvl for ranked

glossy zephyr
#

Why did the spear get shadow nerfed?

dark niche
#

being able to reshape dome shields is nice but i think the data reshaper still needs a third charge

stoic oasis
#

please bring head to head back

elfin crag
#

I don't know how often people bring this up, sorry if this is a frequent topic. also sorry for the wall of text, originally i sent this via EggMail, and was told to share it here instead.

we started playing the game as a 3 stack recently, and we quite quickly came to the conclusion that the format of ranked cashout is completely broken.

the first 4 cashouts are meaningless. in fact we found a surprisingly "efficient" way to do the first 2 "phases" (so first 4 vaults) is to hunt down and 3rd party the 2nd team on the scoreboard over and over again, then grab one of the 22k cashouts. even if you get wiped while doing this, you will end up with more money as the previously 2nd team, meaning they get eliminated and your team qualifies.

this is only one example, there are other similar examples where the cashout mechanic can be used to essentially grief the 2nd team. this left us pretty surprised, since this the complete opposite of what one would consider intuitive game design. normally one would think it makes sense to fight for the objective at every phase of the game, but currently this is not the case.

it's a damn shame because otherwise it's a very fun game, but ranked at it's current state is just not fun to play, at all.

it would be nice if this got reworked in some way, perhaps make it so that the cashout pay out mechanic happens over time and not at once when the timer runs out, or something like this but more sophisticated.

either way, the game is dope i just wish ranked was better.

mental fiber
#

Hi,
ive got a rather quality of life game feedback for the practise range that could be a pretty cute helpful addon for it.
To test out weapon sights or skins or any attachment of an equip you need to leave and join. why not just making it possible to change every loudout in the practise range. shouldnt be too hard to execute.
Im thinking that way cause games like Battlefield 6 and older even make it possible to change loudout and everything MID match.

hollow oasis
# elfin crag I don't know how often people bring this up, sorry if this is a frequent topic. ...

You're right. Me and my friends have also found that earlier cashouts are essentially meaningless. You can qualify just by grabbing a later cashout even if other teams also only got 1 cashout. At that point kills won't even earn a team enough cash to overtake your team because the later cashouts are just worth so much. It's not just the cashout amounts that need changing, it's the whole bracket system too. 4 team modes are so unfair as you get no compensation for holding a cashout most of its timer and almost nothing for getting kills.

fluid birch
#

anything mentioned here that isn

normal topaz
#

Guys how to give feedback about the changes?

stoic robin
#

The bug that keeps unequiping all weapon skins, character gestures, emotes, etc is very annoying, and its been this way for a while. On that note, why is there no option to EQUIP A SET OF EMOTE/GESTURES AND ETC, TO ALL CHARACTERS AT ONCE? (Like how you can apply a weapon skin to multiple loadouts, yadayada). Instead of having to do it all individually set everything up for every single loadout, over and over again. If they want to shove skins in your face for you to buy, the least they can do is not reset and unequip from your gear every week

deep wigeon
#

Hey Embark, can you allow players to be creative and express their skills in your game by mastering stuff outside your "intention"?
I could go all out on all the awful changes, but I still can't understand why you nerfed the shockwave and labeled it as "unintented boost"
You guys want all the 3 archetypes to reach the fights together, so why ruin medium movement and still limiting any proper movement to the light class?

timber nova
#

Okay no seriously. I grinded to get the "lava look-see" facewear as it went well with the "tradition's edge" helmet (atlyn style helmet) but now you guys removed that as a combo? I now have 2 heavies which are now wearing the combo still (pre patch)... did I become a hacker now?

honest furnace
#

Go back a few seasons, back to just before recon sense was removed. That was a fun game. The current state of the finals feels very Beta compared to how polished it once was. Source 1700 hours

limber prairie
muted plaza
oak kernel
#

Keep the hp changes, do the gun balance, but revert the runspeed changes in respec order. I feel like that's the best direction to go

solid sable
#

Anyone else lagging like crazy?

eager gyro
#
  • 10.3.0 shadow changes / issues NOT documented in patch notes - PLEASE TEST BEFORE RELEASING
    EDIT. Prior to 10.3.1 some things have been fixed. Thank you Embark.

1) Quick Melee can no longer cancel melee attacks.
2) Slide cannot be performed while using Mesh Shield or during melee attacks.
3) Shockwave previously benefited from verticality; now it feels pointless. Pad–Shockwave tech has been removed.
4) Goo Gun lock duration reduced from 0.8 → 0.2, which is excessive. A value around 0.4–0.5 would be more balanced. While preventing steal interruptions is understandable, it should still reliably restrict movement. 0.2 currently puts the user at a disadvantage.
5) Reshaper now produces random outcomes. It already needed QoL improvements; this change makes it worse.
6) APS is difficult to pick up consistently.
7) Servers are worse - significant lag introduced after this update.

  • Bring back Head 2 Head

With the removal of Arena Debut, this was expected to return. There was no clarification on why you removed this mode ever.

  • Friend List

Completely bugged. Shows friends as online, playing, or queueing when they are not. Issue introduced this season.

  • Chat Censoring

Bugged since release. Some insults pass through while common words are censored inconsistently. This is frustrating.
PLEASE ADD A TOGGLE TO DISABLE THIS FEATURE.

pallid rock
#

Please revert or fix the goo gun nerf.

somber hare
#

I do hope the movement changes to the shockwave specialization aren't intentional, and could be reverted

floral pollen
#

Why on god's green ass earth did y'all buff light?

covert halo
#

This update changed several things unannounced and there has been no statement from embark clarifying what is intentional/here to stay and what isn’t intentional/a bug. These issues are huge and need a fix or at least an acknowledgment very soon.

Goo gun: the change listed in the patch notes has led to unintended consequences, as similar to S7 goo gun can now defend teammates from damage while they are stealing, while removing the ability to stall enemies who are stealing. Killing multiple goo play styles aside, this change isn’t healthy for the game as the defender should have the upper hand.

Shockwave: the momentum you gain from shockwave has been nerfed, and again this was not in the patch notes, many players are disappointed with this change as the specialisation breathed new life into the game that is being taken away without any announcement from embark

Aps turret: you are unable to pick up aps turret feasibly, it is facing some kind of bug that makes it so only one very specific position allows you to pick it up. Aps’ physics also become completely bugged if you dematerialise it through the floor, again these are drastic bugs that need to be addressed and acknowledged

Melee: melee weapons rely on quick melee cancels in order to be viable, without these cancels they are literally terrible weapons, even with the cancels melee weapons do not compete with range weapons in almost all scenarios. Dagger, dual blades and spear have been hurt by this the most, these weapons have been nerfed extremely hard because of this change and yet again it was not in the patch notes. Fix it or acknowledge it

Hover pad: you can no longer move the hover pad by quick meleeing turrets or aps that are attached to it, removing a fun and creative tech from the game that was a highlight of the launch of S10. Yet again this change was not listed in the patch notes. You need to fix these bugs or acknowledge them as full fledge changes that are here to stay.

Terrible update

coral seal
#

embark please just revert every nerf to shockwave, it was needles and shockwave was in no way game breaking with the bit of movement tech we had

spring vortex
#

My feedback is that if they want more microtransaction money they should make the shop UI better. It actually feels so claustrophobic and hard to find anything

hexed crown
#

Fix ranked matchmaking system please!!!!!!!!!!!! Why I(gold in most seasons) can fight with ruby and diamond(also previous seasons) in ranked match!!!!!!!!

hollow shuttle
#

REVERT THE LAST PATCH

sacred glade
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Hello, pls fix shock wave it need more force, its so weak now pls

sacred glacier
#

No we dont like the new health updates.

storm crescent
winged sundial
#

please make data reshaper not random towards arena barrels again, now it turns barrels into random different barrels

stark pilot
#

revert the last patch.
WTF THE MOST NO BRAIN UPDATE I HAVE SEEM.
That is the first time I dont want to paly this game anymore.
WTF.
I'm the S0 player.
WTF

misty prawn
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  • April 16 Feedback

Survivability change on light

175hp doesnt really add too much to the light, speed change isnt noticable within gameplay too heavily though i think light movement speed nerf was unwarranted, the brought up issue of “getting to cashbox too early and dying first” is the light players problem not the classes problem.

  • Prefered changes
    I would actually change lights back to 150hp, give them maybe slightly better regen and give them mobility buffs as they are too weak currently (dash too easy to predict, read and track), grapple cooldown will get you killed instantly. These changes dont put lights out of combat for too many seconds when they wait for regen and give them even better survivability because of better util.

‱ April 16 update feedback

Heavy HP change 350>325, 10% Movement speed

I feel like this change was unwarranted as heavies will die fast regardless, i never struggled to fight heavies with 350hp as they have fairly slow movement speed and large and easy to hit hitboxes with bad mobility, 325hp didnt feel crazy impactful other than just dying a bit faster than usual. Movement speed increase by 10% was a bit too much, it felt like a beefier medium, id reduce it down to maybe 4%.

  • my prefered changes

Give heavy 350hp, reduce movement speed buff to 4%, nerf healbeam and infuser as thats usually what makes it harder to kill a heavy not the hp. 350hp heavy is only hard to kill if the timing of the player is bad or they position wrong or play into heavies positional advantage.

  • April 16 feedback

medium gameplay

with lights having bit more hp they just feel like the more mobile medium class, heavy having more movement speed just feels like a beefier less mobile medium class.
Medium feels significally stronger vs heavies as medium has a lot of high TTK weapons with headshots and now im sure weapons need some rebalancing which is even more difficult than core health changes. TL;DR dont balnce around player mistakes

thorny wagon
#

this update is so buns

respectfully...

stray wing
#

**List of bad things from this patch **

  • All melee animations seem uncancellable this patch, you cannot interrupt them with Quick Melee and you are also forced to wait out the recovery at the end of each animation which makes M1 and M2 chains slower. Especially affects weapons like Spear which rely on animation cancels for their spin to be viable. This also has been theorized to not just pertain to melee animations, but ALL animations, as some say that they feel mantle animations take way longer, which would line up with the issue of recovery in the animation being uncancellable (some also claim this is due to Latency, with high ping making animations feel slower)
  • GooGun is unable to prevent cashout steals now, meaning that despite losing its best defensive capability, it has now regained (for the 3rd time) its most obnoxious offensive ability, which is Gooing up your teammate while they steal, making them untouchable whilst you have ammo
  • Even though it's a temporary event, the HP changes and speed changes have only served to make light overtuned. Light's guns are designed with their squishiness in mind, there's no reason to make the glass cannon glass be less 'glass' if you aren't also going to proportionally make it less 'cannon', but at that point you may as well just make everyone play medium and have access to every gun/gadget/spec
  • Data Reshaper barrel reshape order has become randomized for seemingly no known reason
  • APS Turet is unable to be picked up, and also seems to phase through all surfaces if you Demat the floor below it
  • Trophies on Playstation (and possibly Xbox) seem bugged, zero progress being tracked on both existing and fresh accounts
  • Removed (unintentionally or not) the ability to use Shockwave Orb to push yourself onto a Jump Pad and gain increased momentum and height. Some say it is still possible but the output is lesser, and also wildly inconsistent
  • Numerous people experience extreme Lag/Latency/Game Crashes due to AntiCheat
round isle
#

It should be much easier to change your contestants costume on the fly

neon zinc
#

This update is so cool that I will now trust claude more over devs

toxic tangle
empty needle
#

what in the latency?????????????

bright mason
#

Embark forgot to upload this shitty update on April 1st 😭

astral snow
#

please fix the servers, ranked is unplayable

tribal gust
muted portal
#

Give goo gun back

signal bronze
#

day 2 of asking embark to make the golden kitsune facewear work with hoods! 🙏

tepid summit
#

One full day with the worst update of all time is too long

hard arrow
clear haven
#

I speak on behalf of the entire community here:
Give us the option to disable contestant numbers entirely. So many outfits and weapon skins are ruined by having these numbers plastered onto them when they don’t at all belong.

sonic spoke
#

Haven't had s fun match since patch

alpine latch
bright quest
#

Embark PLEASE revert shockwave to what it was before the update. It feels a lot more inconsistent now.

worn shuttle
#

Revert. The. Patch.

summer rune
#

revert the patch
and at least give the players an update on what is going on

vapid flare
#

anyone else not get a s9 diamond charm and sticker?

foggy orbit
#

Revert. The. Patch.

rotund galleon
solemn fulcrum
#

Bro please give map selection in matchmaking. I don't wanna see starlight hollow ever again

rotund pine
#

Ironic. Revert this patch. You guys QA department continues to miss a lot of bugs and doesn’t critically think hard enough about how removing or fundamentally changing mechanics will affects the players who use them. 1/10 job embark. I know ya’ll can do better.

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orchid osprey
#

Revert immediately

sterile canopy
#

thank you junior western bacon chee for spurring embark into action

Perhaps a nice compromise would be if goo gun would keep its stun, but only slow enemies as opposed to completely blocking their movement?

daring ingot
#

DAY 23 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

narrow sand
#

Can we nerf the sword

dense compass
#

This is the worst update. World tour sucks. The goo gun got nerfed??? Cmon. It was such a useless skill until we figured out a way to make it viable and then you took away the only thing that makes it useful during fights.

uncut drum
rustic sapphire
tall loom
pure arrow
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Glad goo was reverted! However, when it comes back it really should be like 0.4-0.6 instead of the literally useless 0.2

You guys say it was never intended to begin with but took 10 seasons to change it. I feel as if it should be kept at this point. Maybe rework it to prevent actual griefing but using it to close or open distance was genuinely useful. EB_EeveeSad

ebon kindle
#

shockwave is still bugged after the hotfix, which means the nerf to all the tech was likely intentional :(

thick stump
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stop nerfing heavy
nerfed chain - cant chain through sheild
nerfed hp
nerfed goo gun - cant interrupt cashout
what next? remove heavy weapons? make him play with his hands? no wait you already did

solemn sedge
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DONT CHANGE GOO. It is in a state that allows for vital tek with dagger and sledgehammer. Without it, both weapons become significantly weaker and unviable. I’ve mained goo sledge for 10 seasons, just for one stupid patch to RUIN it.

bold cedar
elder wyvern
warm charm
#

I fr need head2head back. I was shocked by the amount of players who dgfa that it was gone or actually hated the mode. Its the only mode in the finals i can see casuals playing and its a great mode for new players. Love this game but man i havent played in 3 weeks.

wet herald
#

Reasonable way to keep goo stun in the game

Goo can only stun an enemy player when shot at the feet, essentially "sticking" them to the ground. Shooting them in the face results in the 0.2 second/instant break, while hitting the feet remains unchanged.

This way the person being hit by the goo can still shoot the heavy and there is a higher skill to stalling a player. Continual stuns make it easy for the effected player to actually fight back in this scenario.

golden badger
#

Goo

Temporarily increased the time it takes for goo to break when overlapping a player from 0.2s to 0.8s

Dev Note: The change to the time it takes for goo to break that we made in 10.3 caused several unintended severe bugs, including not interrupting objective steal attempts, as well as allowing shielding of stealing teammates from all damage. As a result, we feel we have to revert this change for the time being, but we intend to have these issues solved and the change reinstated in 10.6. We apologize for the mistake, especially after all the great memes related to this change yesterday!
LOL

drifting egret
#

so a team of 2 lights just beat us all down in quick cash. how on earth would one think they need more health or any buff what so ever

hardy hull
#

please some new 93r reload animations

river valley
#

You had something cooking with the release version of shockwave. Revert the nerfs to shockwave

wind mist
#

Shockwave is not functioning properly. Doesn’t work with momentum from before the shockwave only after, so super/rocket jump etc now is shit

muted owl
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Medium this season has been put in sweet position with the new specialization and crossbow, until they did the hp changes. I feel like having more hp on light feels to op because I just win 1vs1 against mediums so ez now, but the movement is kinda buggy/annoying idk. The hp for heavy change doesn't seems to effect me tho, since you already have alot of hp and high defense with domeshield, barricade etc.

In my opinion they should reverse the hp and movement speed buffs because light rn feels to op against mediums and lights are able to deal with heavies better than the before.
However I think giving the heavy more base movement speed keeps them better up with the team8s and makes live better when going from a to b, when having to run like 150m
I think I have a great addition to fix the movement speed problem for the heavies when they are gonna put back the movement speed back as it was, and ill explain it right here.

You have the base movement speed of each class for example
light = 275
medium = 250
heavy = 225

light and medium on all terms have their base movement speed when going in a straight line, going left or right and doing 180 turn.
Heavy should have the 225 movement speed on all times, but when walking in a straight line (by just going straight and moving kinda left or right) They should be able to build up momentum.
So for example when having to run 150-200m for a vault and running in a straightish line for 2-3sec they build up momentum and get like 250 movement speed aswell, so you can keep up with the mediums.
This was kinda my idea with the heavy falling behind and not being able to join the fights faster, so they can revert this hp and movement speed adjustment.

The nerfs they should do aswell for guns are the following:
Light class:
m11, when you are somewhat close to somebody u shred them so hard and there is almost no counter play, either reduce the fire rate or damage to 15 in my opinion
arn-220, give somewhat a harder recoil pattern than it is now and either reduce the fire rate by a bit or giving the quick reload like a 0,1-0,2 sec extra reload time, right now having 60 bullets for the light class is diabolical op in my opinion.
katana, nerf its left click its stupidly op.

Mediums:
crossbow, gun is super strong should get a nerf don't know what.

Heavy:
shak-50, its downright impossible to compete against it close range and most of the times you have close range fights, and once u get winched as light or medium you are pretty much dead with no counters play.

Enjoy reading the finals bible btw.

compact sparrow
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it would be nice to have some transparency whether the new shockwave is a nerf, a shadow nerf or just a bug, since it wasnt fixed in the 10.3.1 hotfix

novel skiff
#

Light is supposed to be fast, heavy is supposed to be tanky! Why would you change that!!??

last mirage
#

Revert the patch please.

frosty elbow
#

update drop

tawdry canyon
#

we noticed several unintentional bugs and with today’s update, we’re fixing some of these issues
some NOT all 💀 these updates are fucking awful ngl. what a joke
wtv is left of the finals dev team is clearly just an intern and a monthly sub to chatgpt

tranquil karma
real cosmos
#

It's hard to tell if I'm recalling an item with the Codex of Exile multidevice. if it glowed just a bit brighter when recalling that would be great

iron berry
true jolt
#

anyone experiencing the bug from changing heavy to medium in the lobby and suddenly shuts down?

versed hazel
#

im glad bullying embark devs into reverting the goo change actually worked

topaz harbor
abstract harbor
#

I just wish they could decide WTF they want this game to be, and stop making these poor, thoughtless updates.

supple mortar
#

Just revert like everything

mossy fjord
scarlet pilot
vale monolith
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Just here to say THANK GOD the quick melee delay was a bug

dawn steppe
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the changes that are being consider fro light and heavy are nice and all and I do agree with the movement change but I dont think you should change the HP the HP is fin as it is its the movement speed that needs a change and I also DO NOT agree with the SUPER NERF to goo youve already nerfed it so it is countered by almost every thing with the HP nerf so any explosive CL40, frag grande and any other explosive can instantly destroy it and now you take away one of the best and smartest ways of the usage for goo aka goo stalling or go stunning making is 0.2sec from 0.8 is WAY TOO MUCH taking it down by 0.5 it would be a bit better but 0.2 IS WAY TOO BIG OF A NERF TO GOO

Also please for the love of god change the way you gain Show Tokens trying to grind for them is absolute torture and takes way too long

(Its obv that someone in The Finals dev team is a light main is is super babying his fav class)

radiant panther
#

Flamethrower is still stupidly broken

"Erm well get far enough away to kill them"đŸ€“

Every fight is close range in this game and flamethrower is aparently a must have for heavys. It makes playing light useless and the afterburn from the flamethrower is just as long as getting hit by a Pyro grenade/Pyro canister If heavy mains hate lights so much they shouldn't have to go with flamethrower as an option every time.

I've quit this game for 2 seasons straight and so badly want to get back into the game but flamethrowers are still so stupidly brainless and overpowered that I cant find a reason to enjoy the game

(I play all classes but for ranked I like hoping on light mostly)

runic needle
nimble mural
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I am not getting progression for the medium build achievement. I am at 140 and have been there for a while. I need 150. I get wins and no progression.

warm solstice
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hate hate hate the movment changes. i dont want to play The Mediums. i want to play The finals. stop reducing the skill expression, the marvel rivals crowd arnt gonna play no matter what.

slow crescent
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Thx for revert goo gun nerf and dont nerf it again in 10.6! Its already more week than ever cuz of goo nerfs and "fixed" goo tech

Why are the most fun things need to be nerfed? Like why cs dosnt nerf bunny hop or why they make rocket jump instad of just nerf it in TF2.. Or maybe apex with their movement. There so many fun things and all other devs know about, but Embark kill all of your own funniest stuff.

Please dont, or even add more fun things like this!! Return goo tech as well with ship or goo catapult!

frigid coral
#

Excuse me, sir
Please limit the Point Break stage to Starlight Hollow only!

rigid shale
#

thefinals thank you for reverting the changes to goo, sliding, and quick hit. all 3 are crucial to dagger performance.

fierce patio
#

Oh no guys seems you accidentally added a delay to demat when you pull it out and put it away. Quick hot fix should do it huh? Thanks

lime lark
#

Can we have head to head back. I see no reason not to have it back now the starlight hollow map event has ended

formal coral
#

Can we have significant change of the meta, like in plat, diamond, it's still poke meta, hold position heal ur teamates and that's it, it's so stale and boring

thorny lynx
#

So it seems like damage goes through the dome shield sometimes now. Another super great patch for 1200 broken things.... and you forgot to push the "anti-cheat" button on again

mild gull
#

How to correctly balance the 93R

The recent 93R changes did nothing but make it an overpowered light deleter while having basically no effect on the classes it struggles against, which are medium and heavy. Hence, Embark needs to look at other ways to balance it rather than altering the damage.
This can be done by making the burst delay shorter, which will make it more viable against ALL classes while not making it overpowered versus lights.

Proposed 93R changes:
Damage: 24** (revert from 25 back to 24)**
Burst delay: 0,275s > 0,23s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,54s -> ** 0,72s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.22s -> 1,14s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.68s -> 1,56s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.40s -> 0,42s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,72s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.22s -> 1,08s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, compared to the 93R's 21, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R (except light). This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which is the product of an oversimplified buff to damage.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

agile oak
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I love the revert of the change for goo to break. Reducing it to 0.5s is reasonable. 0.2s is way too punishing.

jagged cedar
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What is with yall nerfing any good movement that isn’t on light, RIP my darling shockwave

vital basin
#

Don’t change goo. Keep it how it is.

sudden agate
#

Please undo the nerfs on shock wave

wide vortex
#

thanks for the goo nerf cancel

outer egret
#

Achievements are still completely bugged on console, what a shame those devs are

tired meadow
#

Embark actually listening?! Hell yeah! Thank you for reverting the goo changes for the time being. I do ask that you hear me out here. If you make the goo break almost instantly it completely kills fun melee on heavy. If you want to fix permanent goo locking, change the goo gun. Maybe nerf the amo or reload time so that goo melee is still possible. With limited amo and a longer reload the goo gun would be a lot more fair I’d think (coming from a goo gun user myself.) goo locking does in fact have counter play, but if you aren’t currently running any of those counters, I can see how it’d be frustrating. Give both parties a chance rather than just completely gutting the goo guns offensive capabilities. Please consider this for 10.6

novel shoal
#

Remove light

stray thunder
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I solo Q and find it very interesting that when I play Cashout the matchmaking is absolutely fantastic. There are more or less always two team that get all of the money and two team that are stomped. Both in the first and in the second round. But you never find yourself entirely on one or the other side game after game. You lose some and you win some. I also always get teammates that clearly have some game sense and actually know the rules of the game.

Then I play Ranked Cashout and oh my God the matchmaking is flawed. You can get stomped on by the entire lobby game after game and your teammates doesn’t even seem to understand the basic rules of the game.

Clearly this is problem in the mechanics of the matchmaking itself and not a skill issue or too low player count.

dreamy vector
#

Kinda first impressions on the world tour/unranked cashout thingy, heavy change feels great, light without adjusting weapon damage for new break points feels bad, honestly if you only went to full game with the heavy changes I think it would be better

safe ravine
#

CAN WE REVERT SHOCKWAVE ALREADY? HOW DO YOU KILL A SPECIALIZATION THAT LITERALLY JUST DROPPED?

topaz jungle
#

Dear embark, the dagger feels funky. Not the good kind. I appreciate the increased mobility, but I can’t say I like the melee nerf

noble ingot
#

I have a plan for ranked cashout. In round 1 (cashout) 4 teams battle and top 2 go into their own bracket for 3v3 and bottom 2 go 3v3 aswell. The team that wins the 3v3 in higher bracket places first. For the lower bracket the team that loses places forth and the team that wins faces the team that lost in higher bracket. This 3rd round determines 2nd and 3rd place respectively. This is a good idea for multiple reasons. 1) only needing 4 teams will drastically cut que times for a already low player count game. Giving teams that got griefed out a second chance to reduce frustrating rs losses. And also having mostly finals rounds would obviously rely more on skill than 3rd party . Dang ts took long to typ. Hopefully yall see this cause I feel that a change like this would solve many issues of ranked

gritty jetty
floral venture
#

This game is unbalanced, everyone should be forced to play medium with ak, jump pad, grenade, and breach drill with turret. Remove all non Yellow/black cosmetics to make the finals great again

fleet peak
#

i think either my game is bugged or goo sledge is back baby!!! i think they reverted it i just now came from a match.

pure vine
#

the change in goo from 0.8 to 0.2 is TOO DRASTIC.

frigid horizon
#

Absolutely crazy that one update made pretty much every player of this agonizing video game: mad
Embark you gotta test this stuff before it releases so it doesn't break the game.

sonic arrow
wet kelp
#

PLEASE BRING back head to head It was the only game mode Me and my friends played played please emabark

cobalt dagger
#

I personally dont really like the new health pools. Ive gotten really used to the feel of each TTK of the classes and the adjustment to them without also adjusting any of the weapons feels really awkward. I guess it could just be a skill issue but still it just doesn't feel right.

fair jungle
#

Hey Everyone. Nice to see you today. I am Tunnel Vision. The Sledge heavy main. My name has come up here before, cited as a reason to nerf Sledge. Tragic Day.

I've played the finals since the last week of the open beta. Fell. In. Love. With everything. Do you guys remember Recon Sense? It when the devs weren't scared to let us be crazy. Wall hacks didn't matter cuz we had something to compete. It took SKILL. SNUKES maybe not. But I do miss them. And maybe I sound biased. But as a light main during the OB and season 1. I gotta say. I miss them.

I hate the new dynamics. And the devs reasoning for some of the nerfs just blows my mind. "We needed Sledge because players found it too difficult to counter in close quarters." Yeah, it's a Sledge hammer in the hands of the biggest hit ox, slowest moving character in the game. It is SUPPOSED to be scary. I'm sorry but taking away the damage that it gave because sword lights feel like it's too powerful is a LACK OF DEVELOPER IMAGINATION. . Would love to see the other classes evolve new ways of taking me down and force me to evolve my playset to compensate. But instead, the game has become a cat and mouse game of chasing the next best thing after each nerf.

Changing the health gap between lights and heavies is my Final straw. Hate me for it. I don't care. But I feel the classes are losing their identity and It breaks my heart. I get it devs. It promotes people to stick as a team and whatever. I think it's absurd. How did we play the game for 2 years before you decide that the health didn't match. I've seen COUNTLESS lights solo entire teams with 150 health. Now it'll be even easier. Everyone. You've seen it here first, lights and mediums are the classes they WANT you to use. Nerf after nerf after nerf for heavies while medium gets all the new goodies and lights feel more like fighting mediums now.

There is no point in playing heavy anymore. It's not 'slow' anymore. We used to have mesh with 1200 HP. They don't want heavies

hollow kelp
stray wing
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Hi embark, Im really greatful for you making this hotfix fixing several issues. However Id like to ask you to not change back the goostun to 0.2s. Its just too low to do anything, you dont even have enough time to drop a domeshield or something. I dont think a core mechanic of this spec since season one should be changed this drasticlly. Please consider a less severe changes like 0.4-6 or alternative solutions. For example have i heard of the idea, that continously gooing the same persone decreases its effect ( for example 0.8 to 0.4 to 0.2 to 0.1). Or the option of a wipe button each team can use twice a round if only one teammate is alive to reset. The limitation of amounts it can be used is for limiting the potential to abuse this mechanic and is just an example value.

And I apologise if my persistance on reverting the patch was stressfull, it was well needed though

versed cloud
#

Put OG Las Vegas map back into the quick cash playlist. I miss it so much it's crazy. I don't like the sponsor rendition it just made it look super generic like Fortune Stadium and killed the identity of the map.

tender glade
#

Please revert the changes to goo's stun. It's used for a handful of creative, off-meta strategies, and there was no need to destroy it altogether.

random garden
#

Do we know why the base max height shockwave was nerfed when paired with a normal jump? not even a jump pad or crazy tech! I used to be able to get to the top of the building in the practice range but now i can only get to the second floor window... seems like a 50% nerf diabolical.

Please revert base shockwave height paired with a normal jump immediately. Very discouraged this wasn't mentioned in the hotfix!

sharp wagon
#

NEGATIVE MOUSE ACCELERATION ON UNREAL ENGINE 5! Mouse smoothing on/off feature for the finals pweaseeeeeeee arc raiders isn’t your only child you have another

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toxic valve
#

Shockwave is bugged, since the 10.3 change shockwave has not been working properly in terms of stacking movement speeds, if you jump and shockwave you get the same height as if you didnt jump and it doesnt work properly with jumpads, and it no regs far more often

fresh citrus
#

Please revert the slide. I really like the direction for speed changes, even if its 3%, but slides were very helpful before now

regal steppe
robust patio
cobalt pendant
#

What is the point of the classes being so similar in movement? That was one aspect that made the Finals different. Might as well make everyone move the same. Unfortunately, it will be no different than BF or COD. Just make specializations that can only use certain weapons. Once the Finals loses its originality, RIP. Might as well focus only on ARC.

stable gull
#

Whatever changes you made to shockwave to kill its movement tech, fix it. This thing sucks ass now

nocturne tendon
#

Revert the health movement speed changes immediately

delicate crypt
devout patio
#

Longtime finals player

Joined this just to say the health didn't need balancing

sharp sparrow
#

Hey Embark, if for some reason you read this or anything in your own stupid discord server how about listen to your player base whenever you ask us for feedback on changes. Literally nobody has been asking for this shit. Game gets less original every "update".

lament mountain
paper falcon
#

yall do nothing about the amount of cheaters in this game. im running into them every match. they know exactly where i am. know exactly when im about to pop a corner and prefire everything. im so close to never playing this game again.

fading wing
#

I really enjoy playing The Finals, and I appreciate the work your team puts into keeping the gameplay fresh and exciting.

I’d like to suggest bringing back a FAMAS-style weapon similar to what we saw in Seasons 5 and 6. That version had a great balance, satisfying burst-fire feel, and added a unique playstyle that a lot of players enjoyed. Reintroducing it—or even a redesigned version inspired by it—could bring more variety and nostalgia to the current weapon lineup.

Thank you for your time and for continuing to improve the game.

Best regards,

proven crown
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  • Griefing has to stop. URGENTLY implement RS given for cash extracted - no more predefined RS

  • Brussels and SA Dammam servers are cooked

  • RPGs aren't firing and domes not deploying before switching weapons - cancer.

  • Spawn changes recently - SUCK. Getting 3rd partied on vaults and early cashouts, and teams we wipe waiting on the station to steal the plug - GREAT

primal crow
#

Its ridiculous that they give the light more health rather than reducing the hitbox time on the sledgehammerit literally floats for a whole second allowing them to completley miss and still kill yuo

fluid geode
#

Dear Embark. How about instead of nerfing and un-nerfing goo you fix your rakned seeding?
Im not even Gold ffs why am I playing against plat/low dia people.
I should at least not lose RS for being used as cannon fodder just so the unemployed can find a lobby.

vocal bloom
#

got shot through a wall, no fixes or updates to the anti-cheat but hey lets buff light!

gritty tangle
#

Bring back Head2head quick cash is shit

ocean eagle
#

Man, yall won't even address the smurf issue. That is going to bleed you dry. If you don't handle it, you deserve to lose players

somber snow
#

Add a report option for not playing the objective. THE FINALS is an objective based game, and aside from TDM, everything has higher priorities than kills. So many ppl queue up into 'casual' modes and treat it like CounterStrike TDM matches or whatever (endless respawn)

smoky gust
#

i think goo doesnt deserve to be nerfed
if it has to be anything, dont make it destruction time

also, please bring back head 2 head

empty needle
#

pls bring map picks, literally no one wants to play kyoto.

ebon plank
#

fix the seeding shit is whack, and if youre not going to do anything about hackers fuck you then

storm veldt
#

BRING BACK HEAD2HEAD
also add the multi-device to equipment

ashen stirrup
#

Head 2 Head was my favorite game mode so seeing it gone is really dissapointing, It seems alot of other people feel the same. It's one thing to get rid of a mode but not having any explanation or setting on any expectation on when it will return just seems unreasonable.

I hope Embark can bring Head2Head back or atleast explain why they removed it..

quick coyote
#

Head2Head. Bring it back.

digital holly
#

High CPU and High GPU usage after updating, game unplayable. Have updated drivers but didn't help.

obsidian sail
#

MGL is trash

frigid cloak
#

Honestly Embark, fix your game. Performance has been horrible recently, bugs are still everywhere and both the last updates I have been kicked from the server for broken game files and had to validate and redownload the update.

If making a simple balance change brakes your game code, it means it was coded poorly from the beginning.

languid wagon
#

Fix the inspect getting stuck on arn pls embark 😭

sick pier
sterile canopy
#

There are two possibly unintentional important changes which were added in 10.3 and removed in the hotfix, which were not listed in the patch notes.

  • sword became able to phantom strike again: left click could be triggered before the right click finished.

  • spear spin became cancellable after the first spin with a left click, which instantly switched it into a left click attack.

I hope that the developers are aware of these.

coral tapir
#

shockwave nerf is beyond disappointing :(
I cannot soar like an eagle anymore

pliant lichen
#

Fyi, lowering goo stun duriation to anything lower than .6 seconds is gonna' break a whole bunch of interactions. Melee parries will become jank, mine parries, and Flamethrower viability will disappear in competent lobbies...
Maybe actually consult someone who plays the game and pays attention to Goo Gun and it's issues/identity.

Gee golly fucking motherfucking gosh~!
I wonder if there is anyone who could be consulted about the balancing of Goo Gun, some type of expert on the topic.....................................................................................

You do not play (and as was proven yesterday) playTEST your game. Start consulting those that actually do, before making changes to how things work on a fundamental level.
Not good enough.

compact sparrow
#

there could be an /all chat

hidden path
#

I need a team ranked so bad yo

grim dagger
#

new player expirience:
the "matchmaking" for cashout is horrible. i'm matched against teams full of ruby, while my "rank" is silver.
every game is 0-10 for my whole team, most of the time my mates just disconnect or troll.
at this point I don't know why i should continue this game.

dry lava
#

For the health changes decreasing the heavies health makes no sense since they have no mobility and they rely on dome shields and barricades to make up for this but dome has been nerfed and mesh and dome both get countered by lights and their Glitch grenades so this ms + hp change to heavies just cancels each other out and makes them closer to a medium with no mobility than being a more distinct class.
For lights giving them 25 more hp is a massive buff for lights given that they get their combat mobility from tp, dash, and grapple and not from their faster movement speed. 25 more hp is a massive difference especially for melee weapons which rely on a combo in order to kill lights.
For example with spear the only viable way to a kill lights in high elo without an rpg is to melee, winch, melee in that exact order cause if you winch, melee, melee their dash or grapple will get them away from your second melee giving them a free kill. So the only way for a spear to kill a light with any frontal lobe is to either sneak up on them to get the first melee in then try and hit a winch on a dashing away light then melee or to get a melee on them then rpg which has a 45 second cooldown. But if they are given 25 more hp the winch will no longer do the extra 5 damage needed to kill the light requiring another melee for the kill confirm combo which is impossible cause lights will be able to dash or grapple away from it leaving only the rpg combo which works on only 1 light every 45 seconds assuming you dont miss the rpg on a light dashing away.
Moral of the story the heavy change is bad cause it makes them less unique and accomplishes nothing and the light change just makes lights op. But if you must do this change a good change would be to make winch do 30 damage instead of 5 that way melee heavy is playable against lights and not impossible. And yes winch already good but 25 more damage on an 7 second agility is much better than increasing melee damage. ran out of char lol

placid lance
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"Hello,

I am writing to you from Latin America. I’ve noticed that Competitive Mode doesn't seem to be working correctly for our region.

Every time I try to play, the matchmaking queue goes on indefinitely. Even if I restart the search, the wait time far exceeds the average without ever finding a match. Interestingly, the Quick Cash mode works perfectly and finds games quickly.

I really enjoy the game and would love to play competitively, so I wanted to bring this to your attention. I hope you can look into the LATAM server status or matchmaking settings for this mode.

Thank you for your hard work!"

dreamy locust
young hatch
#

As someone who’s solo queued ranked. And only receive bronze team mates every single solo queue even in placements (first time doing ranked).

How do I only get team mates with 1500-3000RS and these are my enemies while I still lose RS because my team mates struggle to get more than one kill?

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brittle abyss
#

For Damage/ Fire Rate/ Range/ Accuracy Categories on weapons could you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make them numerical values rather than ambiguous bars.

pure vine
sick heart
#

Hi Embark, I got only one question for you. Why do you hate sword so much? Everything you did new, every update you made in the last seasons, has been a hard nerf on sword and melee weapons on general. A good part of the community complains about sword and melee weapons in general. they say its easy, that its bad but at the same time that its too strong. I dont understand why you, as game devs, you keep buffing and nurturing OP, low skill, low risk and high reward weapons like DB, sniper, cl-40, spear, flamethrower. A big part of the weapon roster can one-shot a light. I understand the need to close the dmg gap between classes, but why nerf dash so much and add a nerf to light speed? it doesnt close dmg gap, it only makes weapons like sword completly unusable. I hope that in the next melee update youll keep this in mind and wont nerf sword again. To sumerise what I truly want to say, I feel you keep rewarding low skill, low risk and high reward gameplay, but nerf high skill gameplay.

craggy basin
cyan sable
#

Fix the shockwave please. It doesn't give nearly as much velocity anymore and now seems to have a speed cap

sinful vapor
#

pls do another set of koi caliber skins model would look so good.....

upbeat inlet
clear moat
#

Don't touch my goo again it's perfect

west skiff
#

Head2head needs to come back, it was my favorite mode

hard arrow
#

#1494593123123335260

YES PLEASE, removing Head2Head was so bad for the health of the game. Since Embark clearly cares what we think a little bit, this really needs to come back

sour plank
#

hi hello, I have one thing to say

return to me mine almighty shockwave, return it to it's glory

marble cloud
#

bow needs a nerf

gritty jetty
#

winch is not fair or fun

meager drum
#

We need to punish for leaving in Point Break. The amount of times I have to play the last 3 objectives with 2 teammates v 8 enemies is infuriating.

regal crane
#

ya'll gotta decrease the final round time 20 minutes is depressing if the other team is just plain better than you. As they can get the first cash and camp the other the rest of the time making it an awful experience

outer egret
wide oyster
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dont nerf goo into 0.2 sec it basically kills goo gun as a melee weapon support. you dont even have enough time to switch back to your melee before the opponent shoots you or keeps running. maybe nerf it to 0.5 secs as a start? goo gun already has the lowest pick rate of all heavy specs afaik.

civic flax
analog hearth
#

Today I was kicked out of the game, immediately after that the game downloaded something of 1.7 megabytes. What was that?

sacred compass
dawn stag
#

I will immediately buy the lady unyielding set if you include a variation of the platebody without the chain hood
i hate skins that force a hood that hides your hair

void thunder
fair jungle
# fair jungle Hey Everyone. Nice to see you today. I am Tunnel Vision. The Sledge heavy main. ...

Part 2 of my Rant.
I have failed the developers as a veteran player by not saying something sooner. But for the most part. They've always gotten it right.

I MISS NUKES. Ok, I know, they weren't fair. But man they were SO fun. It's what drew me to the game. The fact that there are so many ways to win and it's not about having the best gun + best aim to win. It's about how well your team and pull a play from the box of chaos we all call. THE FINALS. .

I feel like the developers reward creativity less and less. People see a new gadget and find a cool use. (Using the shockwave for movement) And the devs see this, along with a few complaints and take it from us. They have shown time and time again that they favor easy balance over letting us be creative.

There is no point in playing heavy. Every class has heals. Every class has destruction. Every class has defensive abilities. They thing that made heavies shine is our ability hunker down and fight. Now we are just cannon fodder given rubber bullets for the illusion of self defense.

Why is it that medium can spam 5 100 damage explosions and my SINGLE RPG does 100 damage only IF I direct him it's absurd
It's a ROCKET LAUNCHER. ITS SUPPOSED TO BE STRONG. PLEASE GIVE ME A LONGER COOL DOWN I JUST WANT MY ROCKET TO FEEL LIKE IT SUPPOSED TO. Seriously, that thang used to do 175 damage. A whole team of heavies could wipe a whole other team. That's what made that APS good for all modes.

Who remembers season 3 winch? I loved it. I would SNIPE people with it. It was the most sure way to get that pesky dash light from escape with you cash box you just opened. 17 meters was the range. And I miss it

I actually like how the ranking system is working right now. Trust me, we could have 16 team tournaments again with a plethora of skill sets mixed into one lobby.

I must say. When I do play medium. I usually rock defib. There's been at least 3 times where I have to relearn the timing for exactly how long to charge em....

woeful arch
#

90% of the time I use the "DO NOT REVIVE" communication wheel option, teammates (randoms mostly) see it as a dare and do actually revive me. They unsurprisingly end up losing the point for being too far from the objective and coming back too late to defend it. There has to be a better way to formulate this, that doesn't tap into reverse psychology?

paper falcon
#

You won Embark! You lost another player due to your crappy anti-cheat system, horrible bullet registration, giving controller players strong aim assist, horrible latency and ping, and horrible balance changes. Thanks for ruining your own game.

hallow siren
#

Revert shockwave

plucky estuary
#

instead of nerfing goo stun, why not have it decrease stun time every consecutive shot to prevent griefing?

hushed sun
#

Are the servers down? I can’t get in a game.

rotund gust
#

the new equipment pings fucking suck. Noone needs to ping a fucking flame barrel. We have text chat and this EQUIPMENT HERE spam is freaking stupid

upper citrus
#

Fire your balancing team

violet vigil
#

respec order has potential.

i am happy that embark is experimenting with core fundamental elements of the game, that they feel needs refining.

as much as some players argue that "all you need to do is slow down. the light doesn't need a movement speed nerf. the heavy doesn't need a movement speed buff." embark appears to be attempting to improve the new player experience.

that's something i'm all about.

west hornet
#

Please for the love of God let me hit Esc multiple times to get out of the chat window. It gets stuck on all the time.

torpid quarry
#

Please reduce the frequency of starlight hollow in PB. Its every other match, sometimes twice in a row

scenic sandal
#

New health values aren't well thought out considering no weapon damage values were changed and makes the data basically useless

I fail to understand how making the light walk slightly slower stops them from grappling away from their team or dashing away from their team and still getting to the cash out first. Also I fail to understand how giving the most historically selfish class in the game 25 more health is supposedly going to make them push alone less? How exactly does giving them more health make them want to be less selfish

Rebalancing the game around new players who cannot realize that all riding the same Zipline and jumping the same pad will let you all get to the objective at the same time isn't something that people who have played the game for 3 years should have to worry about. How exactly is it my problem that people who have 2 weeks in the game haven't learned to play together and also how does this update even stop lights from separating from the team as I already explained before?

Lastly they've stated they would rebalance all guns, gadgets, etc... it's just a wild idea to rebalance the entire game almost 3 years into its lifecycle because people cannot figure out how to use movement abilities together and even if a balance change was done there's no saying we don't end up in the same spot again

icy steeple
# fair jungle Hey Everyone. Nice to see you today. I am Tunnel Vision. The Sledge heavy main. ...

This guy right here ^^

THE FINALS needs to bring back creative skill expression without nerfing everything seen as an exploit, sledge multi-hit was a little OP, but it was SO MUCH FUN. I feel as though the game through its multiple million nerfs has turned this game into a "omg i just got oneshot by an RPG" to "yeah im 5 nothing and i can tank an RPG." sometimes you get hit by things that feel unfair, but if youre playing light... you just gotta deal with it. Massive amounts of damage need to be brought back into the game, esp. on heavy.

small shadow
#

Show exact ping

foggy raptor
#

fuh ahh game will load me to a match where there’s only 1 player against a full team like wth u doing embark

chrome lichen
# woeful arch 90% of the time I use the "DO NOT REVIVE" communication wheel option, teammates ...

the audio that plays sometimes is the same as the revive audio so perhaps they hear that, coupled with the tendency to spam revive over the years they just assume you want a revive. I'm gonna say most of the time people spam that, the audio is usually the same as the revive audio so if you don't read it it seems like someone is asking for a revive. If you only do it like once or twice it seems to work like it's intended more so than not.

unreal zodiac
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i kinda love the changes ngl . and i love that heavy has a easier time chasing people. if anything I feel heavy should start to heal a little bit sooner but anyway i totally understand why devs want to make this change this will unironically help devs have more freedom with future weapons and balancing stuff

thick kelp
#

does revolver have more dps than bfr wrong chat

full sierra
#

you need to nerf invis badly, in ruby its almost universal on light and the more invis there is the more necessary it is for other lights in the lobby to run invis

daring remnant
#

ping issues on oce really bad bro

topaz cloud
#

Can we get 4 team ranked not 8?

jade mirage
#

Add the Sniper scope as an option for every shotgun
that is all

fluid geode
#

Hey Embark, care to fix the fucking game crashes?! Or atleast fix losing FUCKING 800 RS FOR "LEAVING" WHEN IT HAPPENS EVEN THOUGH I REJOINED ASAP AND GOT 3RD FUCKING PLACE?!

stray wing
#

Hi embark, i really want to thank you to adress many of the issues in last Hotfix. I also want to apologise, in case i and several others made a bit too much pressure and Stress, because of frustration. However i want to talk about googun. In my personsl experience i dont see googun as too oppressive. However some seem frustrated with the goolock. I ask you though, please do not just decrease the number to 0.2 for a simplictic fix, basiclly completely removing a usecase of this spec. For example have i seen ideas put forward, like a decrease of the stun power with every addional hit in a timeframe starting after like the third hit(0.8 to 0.8 to 0.8 to 0.6 to 0.4 to 0.1 for example). I think this would decrease frustration too, while maintaining the specs usecase to a degree and making it a higher skillcheck. Or decrease the googuns ammo count or increase the reload, please do something, that doesnt fundamentally destroys this spec

urban hatch
#

Consider Selling to Tencent, yall suck at Ranked Modes

thorny lynx
#

Shout out to all the incels using macros on the crossbow. Im now 100% sure you have never been tucked in at night by a loving mother, dad never came home after leaving for that pack of Newports and Im sure you smell of code red Mountain dew and blue takis

south trail
maiden jolt
#

Remove the timer for the button for leaving a game

tawny oak
#

revert the changes done to servers with the "H0tFix", seems to be a pile of hot shit, causing performance issues, server inconsistency and damage issues, please stop playing with servers when S10 drop was perfect, why do you always ruin the fucking game with every update?

give us back starlight hollow as its own playlist, this is a joke to mix it with the rest of the unoptimized hot garbage maps

brazen thorn
#

Nerf goo gun that nobody uses WOW but health and speed changes are nice pls keep in game

analog silo
#

please experiment with decimal points for weapon damage

golden ferry
#

We need a mullet asap!

novel skiff
#

Ok why the hell dose it take so long to level up weapons? Like seriously it's insanely slow! Please fix

tight compass
#

Dear Embark Studios Team,

I am writing to express my strong interest in seeing THE FINALS developed for mobile devices. As a passionate player and part of the growing mobile gaming community, I believe bringing the game to mobile would greatly expand its reach and success.

Mobile gaming has evolved significantly, with titles like Call of Duty: Mobile setting a high standard for performance, graphics, and competitive gameplay. If THE FINALS were to come to mobile, it is important that it follows a similar path—being well-optimized to run smoothly across a wide range of devices while maintaining its unique destruction mechanics and fast-paced action.

Optimization should be a top priority. Many players use mid-range devices, especially in regions like Africa and Asia, so ensuring stable performance, good frame rates, and minimal lag would be key to the game’s success on mobile.

Additionally, I strongly suggest that the mobile version be a standalone game, rather than a cloud-based or streamed version. A native mobile application would provide better performance, lower latency, and a more competitive experience for players.

THE FINALS has incredible potential on mobile, and with the right optimization and standalone structure, it could become one of the leading FPS games in the mobile gaming space.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Yours sincerely,
Kritixx
Maybe Lenn in the future

sterile plank
#

Still wish that whatever u guys did to Shockwave gets reverted, it feels really bad to use now.

Also being able to reverse the canister rotation on the Data Reshaper with Right Click would be really cool

lapis saddle
#

Revert the horrible update from two days ago

quick sinew
#

BRO EMBARK, JUST PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS "WHY DID WE CANNOT CHANGE SIGHT IN THE PRACTICE MODE ? IMAGINE LOGIN TO THE MODE U SHOULD BE ABLE TO TEST ANYTHING BUT CHANGE THE SIGHT OF THE GUN ?' WTF EMBARK. DID U TELL ME TO LOGOUT FROM PRACTICE TO CHANGE THE SIGHT AND GO LOG IN TO PRACTICE AGAIN JUST TO TEST IT ? WTF
AND UR FRIENDLIST UI SO ANNOYING.

lapis ice
#

can tell the game is using UE 5
2nd UE crash just happened. first one was yesterday for "removing components" (no i didnt)
now an EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION
game is fun but i wish people would use UE 5 less, in favor of UE 4 (way more stable in my experience)

runic sierra
# pure vine the change in goo from 0.8 to 0.2 is TOO DRASTIC.

it is genuinely just not a necessary change, i feel like people post these clips of "GRRR IM GETTING GOO LOCKED LOOK HOW EASY GOOLOCK IS" and theyre literally just standing still, actually goo locking a player pretty much requires them to be really up close or just immobile and not with their team.

killing off an entire niche of the playerbase because it wasnt intended is stupid, this logic made us lose tech like gooship, nade grappling, and goovement

and no, 0.8 is not "too long" to be stunned its literally near the minimum 0.6 seconds for goo to be viable so you can switch back to your main weapon

now if embark wanted to address the abysmal deploy time of weapons and make it so it didnt take a year to switch between weapons, then id be more tolerant of a stun nerf

restive drum
#

Embark please for the love of god never reset everyones rank when season resets in ranked. Its a total mess when last season diamonds and rubys are in gold lobbys for a whole month after the reset. Why not just drop everybody one league below? smh

hoary steeple
mild basalt
#

Can we change the volored outline of enemies to the base xharacter models ? Like having the TV skin on your head doesnt outlinr the TV but the normal shape of the characters head inside it ?

junior cloud
#

BRING BACK THERMAL VISION, INVIS HAS HAD ENOUGH FUN, bugged thermal vision is fine until you can fix it, dont just remove it and let lights abuse invis

clear moat
#

Nerf winch range I'm tired of getting winched into a full team across the room or when the opponent is clearly losing the 1v1 and uses winch to get free damage like a panic button same as charge and slam it's just too much range and the stun is still long and to nerf goo also nerfing the goo gun "temporarily" for what reason?? It's not overpowered in any way it's such an unused specialisation and now heavy melees isn't even viable anymore and saying it's unintended for it's stun is crazy cuz it has been the same since launch and possibly since open beta and 10 seasons later you change it... If it was really overpowered it would have been in every team comp in TGM25?

past granite
#

Achievements are broken, get them fixed ASAP. Deep Pockets 50 mil progress is frozen. I am stuck at 42,088,000 having cashed out over 500K last 24 hours. Check steam discussions - lots of people having same issue - when fixed need our cash updated!

verbal anchor
#

can we have 30 second team wipe respawn back on oce quick cash, would like some semblance of the full game on good ping

blazing rock
ionic viper
hazy swan
#

please make portuguese cosmetic skins 🙂

mild gull
#

How to correctly balance the 93R

The recent 93R changes did nothing but make it an overpowered light deleter while having basically no effect on the classes it struggles against, which are medium and heavy. Hence, Embark needs to look at other ways to balance it rather than altering the damage.
This can be done by making the burst delay shorter, which will make it more viable against ALL classes while not making it overpowered versus lights.

Proposed 93R changes:
Damage: 24** (revert from 25 back to 24)**
Burst delay: 0,275s > 0,23s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,54s -> ** 0,72s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.22s -> 1,14s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.68s -> 1,56s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.40s -> 0,42s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,72s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.22s -> 1,08s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, compared to the 93R's 21, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R (except light). This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which is the product of an oversimplified buff to damage.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

swift burrow
weak cosmos
#

Can you guys please make it so if I’m not in a stack I don’t get matched with or against a team in a stack. I do not want to fight two or three players who are all talking to each other while I get two teammates who look like they just picked up the game and jumped straight into ranked.

arctic bay
#

Clubs don't feel like they do much, they feel lacking.

Improve the club board and make it so there's pinned messages so people can see stuff like a Discord link or other important things.

Make club contracts more meaningful, like a weekly club contract that can only be progressed when playing with other club members and it gives better rewards, or make it weekly/monthly but make it so everyone can contribute to it and the rewards are given until the end of the week/month to those that contributed

And add an option that allows anyone in your club to join you next to Open To Friends button in party, sometimes you want specific people to join such as people in your club but not some other friends.

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round isle
#

Please allow rotational offset of default crosshair. Vertical and horizontal

sweet hornet
#

It is difficult to find out how much each sight zooms in (1.5x, 2x or 8x) and is only findable on the wiki. It would be nice for this information to be visible when choosing a sight (or iron sights).

slow void
#

any way to get a larger FOV than 100 ?

vale acorn
#

When's the toon season Embark

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sinful vapor
#

koi caliber bundle 2 eggpet

young hatch
#

Fix casual matchmaking, fix QC matchmaking. Why do I get 10 games in a row against all pre made 3 stacks? While my team is solo queue or sometimes duo lights.

I rotated through a lot of 3 stacks the last hour or so. Which shows, there’s a good amount of players partied, which means there’s more than enough for 3 stacks to only be playing 3 stacks in QC.

Oh, and in between losing every game, I then wait double/triple the noted queue time to be put into games in progress which are almost lost.

There’s a reason why new players don’t stay, 20% win rate and playing teams which are 100% grouped together is not optimal. COD tries to minimise solo queue running into parties. However in COD, if two people or even three people are partied, that’s 1/3, 1/2 of a team in a party, in The Finals that’s 66% or 100% of a team that’s partied and working together.

1 win in 22 games. Out of 12 games tonight, zero have been solo queue enemies.

Every game is pre made 3 stacks. Surely there is more than one person solo queuing quick cash


Oh look, more games against pre made 3 stacks.

Am I the only solo queue player queueing quick cash?

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feral hare
#

Bring back head 2 head

misty prawn
# misty prawn - April 16 Feedback **Survivability change on light** 175hp doesnt really add ...

Additional notes: April 16 update

Light

HP changes dont actually really impact anything, times where id die with 150hp ill die at 175hp anyway (in most cases its me dying because of mobility/lack of)

Heavy

Heavy 325hp isnt noticable either if you get out positioned or put into a situation you cant really out play, id die with 350hp anyway, i havent changed the way i play heavy i can just do it faster with the movement speed buff

My wanted changes still stand; revert health changes, buff dash (make it harder to read, less cool down), buff grapple (less cooldown or double charge) give heavy 3-4% movement speed buff it just makes him feel a bit less clunky though can be left unchanged aswell would be fine

molten fog
#

option for PEACE only TDM, thanks.

mossy lance
#

Have an option to let me be able to see my friends current ranked league in the party menu

quartz ivy
#

Add Bonus Pages to Legacy Battle Passes

vapid bluff
#

I do have a feeling that sliding around is still not the same, especially with minigun I can feel it . idk, something feels wrong with sliding. pls make movement great again

north eagle
#

please do not reduce light's movement speed. I doubt that 175 health will be much, but i'd rather not see the classes become closer to each other. are people angry that the classes are too distinct from each other? why make them more generic?

empty zodiac
#

FIX SMURFING PROBLEM!!! I can't play with my friend, who started to play recently. We are getting ppl against us, who have less than 100 wins but play like a diamond/ruby. You are talking about how it's hard to newbies to adapt, but the reason they can't because the dont match against each other! They play against a kids who have no computer time restrictions and a bunch of smurfing accs. Stop avoiding this problem, you can't blind us with your "experiments", because the root of problem is obvious, you just dont want to solve it for some reason.

stray wing
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Hi embark, i really want to thank you to adress many of the issues in last Hotfix. I also want to apologise, in case i and several others made a bit too much pressure and Stress, because of frustration. However i want to talk about googun. In my personsl experience i dont see googun as too oppressive. However some seem frustrated with the goolock. I ask you though, please do not just decrease the number to 0.2 for a simplictic fix, basiclly completely removing a usecase of this spec. For example have i seen ideas put forward, like a decrease of the stun power with every addional hit in a timeframe starting after like the third hit(0.8 to 0.8 to 0.8 to 0.6 to 0.4 to 0.1 for example). I think this would decrease frustration too, while maintaining the specs usecase to a degree and making it a higher skillcheck. Or decrease the googuns ammo count or increase the reload, please do something, that doesnt fundamentally destroys this spec

digital holly
#

Please someone explain why you still get -RS when you play a whole ranked game with only 2 players on your team??????????????????????????? Make it make sense. Fucking ridiculous.

uncut drum
#

Another day of asking for Head 2 Head to be put back into quick play instead of freakin point break... It's literally just TD with objectives it's all team fights no fun back and forths

pure vine
# runic sierra it is genuinely just not a necessary change, i feel like people post these clips...

Another point is, goo moves so slowly that it's only good at short/medium range when trying to goo lock someone. To be able to goo lock someone for less than a second is only really useful in niche situations but if it's causing too much grief then like I will always say,

IT'S MORE FUN TO BUFF
THAN TO NERF.

This game is supposed to be bonkers. Why not make a spec or something to break goo faster? Maybe Emoting breaks goo instantly. Maybe there's a certain kind of weapon, like melee weapons, that break goo instantly when you're inside it. Know how bonkers that would be? Like I'm right up on you when you're stealing, I goo you, you break free immediately by swinging dual swords and turn to me and cut me down as you follow through with your swings!

Like, I hate zippy little sword lights. With a passion. I hate invisible dagger lights. With the fury of a hundred suns. I'll never ask you to nerf them. Instead I'd want a buff, like imagine motoin detectors double-pinging or extra-outlining someone invisible or the outline lasting longer on someone who dashes through its detection radius! Imagine BUFFS instead of nerfs.

World's GREATEST game show. Not the world's FAIREST gameshow. Everyone knows that producers of game shows rig the game so it's more fun for the viewers at home, they cook the stats and stoke tensions to make it more exciting, more crazy, more bonkers. Think like a game show runner, not a play-it-safe corporate slop purveyor.

Be better, Embark, like some of us still think you are. ❀

winter sparrow
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why do you hate the Medium class so much Embark? please stop nerfing everything potentially fun about this class while simultaneously buffing Lights and Heavies to the point of making Medium’s almost completely unviable

sterile canopy
grand hare
#

i think if you are below level 10, you should play with bots

coral seal
clever crescent
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day 14 of asking for a paris map till i get a baguette sword skin, a paris map, or both

empty needle
#

i have bad latency since latest update...

mellow bloom
waxen thicket
tepid summit
#

Please focus on making this game casual

rapid valley
#

You can do all the experiments and changes you can but if you don't make the casual modes fun and balanced all this work you are doing is just useless for the majority of players.

delicate crypt
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hey embark, i want to ask, there will be a real nerf to the winch claw in the future? it's at least five season that this specialization is free kill brainless to us; even at 1 meter of distance player use it because for his stunning effect. Can you remove the stunning effect and buff other aspect, so that can be a specialization and not a free kill button

glossy marlin
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I still think there should be an option for

  1. Uncensored chat
  2. All chat

(note, I just say "good ass game" and "good shit" a lot)

daring ingot
#

DAY 24 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

fading falcon
#

Fucking garbage balance
the finals❌
the light✔

hearty coyote
#

Fix the social menus.

true jolt
#

the server crashed...

jolly dagger
#

Add bigger hats to merch store i beg

fiery geyser
karmic rover
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feedback about the M60 it’s actually a pretty good weapon, but it feels kinda overlooked.

It only has basic skins and no unique reload or inspect animations, so it ends up feeling a bit boring compared to other guns. Would be awesome to see some more creative skins and a bit of animation work to give it more personality.

tight compass
#

The finals Mobile

trail terrace
#

@young hatch this is really on point man, it really really sucks to solo q this game.

quick coyote
# delicate crypt hey embark, i want to ask, there will be a real nerf to the winch claw in the fu...

Nah. Nerf dash first. Then we can talk. It’s a get out of jail for free card. As long as you get 3 spamming dashes that regen super fast, I get 1 winch that’s easy to miss and takes forever to comeback.

@marble spindle bot reply. you’re light is leaking all over the server. Go back to COD.

@turtlw skill issue. When I’m light, I spam dash sideways right after being winched and win 9 out of 10 times or throw a goo grenade. Takes no skill. The one winch you have takes timing and aim. I also try to weaken the heavy before I get in range. Light isn’t supposed to win a 1v1 with a full health heavy up close đŸ€Šâ€â™‚ïž

sick heart
#

It would be nice if we could change sights while in pratice range or at least have a way to look in the sight before a game

inner coral
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make controller mods like RC Filters bannable or blocked from opening the game.
(I don't know enough about detection or the metrics you can get with your setup), but in terms of fair-play and balance of inputs this has to get checked at the door.

Controller mods that adjust how the controller handles data and how it's relayed to the game means these controllers receive an increased rate of aim assist per millisecond, per input.

this starts to be noticeable with polling rates but is no problem.
It becomes a huge problem with various mods like RC filters and board mods.

If you try to research what type of mods or upgrades you could get similarly on a mouse, you either come up empty handed or discover the only comparable is actual cheats or macros.

[Also make CL40 a gadget].

(PS : why is it that Mouse aim culture is built upon practice, technique, and hours played. But Controller aim culture is all about min-maxing aim assist with controller mods or settings values?)
Too late to undo it, but cross input gaming with no standardizations is the main problem with modern FPS in my opinion.

ember ferry
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is quick melee still fucked

long badge
#

why does going back and going down on ziplines exist delete that feature

marble spindle
sonic arrow
#

when the evasive dash is evasiveđŸ€Ż

dark niche
gritty jetty
nova flint
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Shockwave nerf is trash.... revert it back to how it was originally

topaz jungle
#

Itchin for another round of cashball

sharp sparrow
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Embark please I BEEEGEGGGGGG you remove or slightly change the glitch looking effect (the visual effect applied to a player that is spotted or a lights dash) to be less noticable. I CANNOT COUNT HOW MANT TIMES I HAVE BEEN SHOOTING AT A PLAYERS AFTER IMAGE EVEN IF THEY ARE JUST WALKING IT IS GAME RUINING.

deep wigeon
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revert shockwave, make Medium fun again.
make demat cooldown 15 second.

dense ocean
#

day 53 asking for a free moolah peluche

lime lark
#

Just a bit of feedback on the heal ball changes. The change to its placement is more of a nerf due to the fact you can no longer prioritise placing it on the surface of slanted roofs so it simply falls of the roof unlike before where it would place onto the roof directly and not fall down. Mabye make the placement in the air less forced.

toxic sedge
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^this is well thought through and would help quite a bit with the dash problem

wide creek
# toxic sedge ^this is well thought through and would help quite a bit with the dash problem

No, light is already weak as it is in higher ELO. This would totally decimate the only spec that gives lights a chance to compete.

They need to buff other specs, like making invis actually invis or grapple have 2 charges.

Dash is fine as it is, they literally just nerfed it.

@cursive urchin Stop copy pasting the same bullshit. Your argument is extremely flawed and spamming it in feedback doesn't make you any more right.

@gritty jetty HHM or MMH is meta don't be silly

Edit: Also, 93R needs to be put in the ground again. Literally the exact some problem as before, its now being used by every single high level light again.

bold cedar
honest wing
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"evasive dash is evasive, i want it to be less evasive"

safe quiver
#

the MVP sytem doesn't make sense imo, I had the highest global stats on my team and only got 3rd, with my 2 teammates (level 19light and lvl44 medium) in front

safe zenith
#

get rid of light class all together

solar garnet
muted plaza
sterile forum
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still crazy that you have to win 3 rounds in a row to offset the loss of 1 round - all of the ranked changes and thats still the case

weary pine
#

Nerf the effing M11 already! Its getting so damn old!

elder wyvern
timber vigil
last mirage
# runic sierra it is genuinely just not a necessary change, i feel like people post these clips...

@cursive urchin I agree with these points and I would like to add onto them. I dislike the dash specialization and crowd control like winch, goo, nullifier and lockbolt that is in the game. Mainly because of how universal it is in it's balance and implementation no matter what combination you create for your character. The current balance around dash and CC is justified with certain weapons in mind like melee, but for other weapons that don't have huge restrictions with how you deal damage, these items and specializations result in annoying games that take people out of the experience. Its not that these specializations and gadgets need to be restricted to only one set of weapons, that would not be fair for a game about limitless customization. Its that certain types of weapon that needs its specialization and gadgets to be tweaked and balanced around, otherwise we lose unique playstyles that make the game fun at the moment. Because we cant just do direct stat buffs to melee weapons to fix melee, (even though that is probably what's gonna happen for season 11,) when most of how you sustain yourself and get into the fight with items are eroded from different weapons and playstyles over the years. I want winch to not stun you while being dragged by a heavy who has ranged weapons, I want goo gun and grenade stuns to be reflected based off of if you are using a melee weapon for every class, I want that recent lockbolt update to not have a fast recharge for ranged heavies who use it constantly as an opener for fights. I want the dash's current nerf to it's recharge to not be present for melee weapons as to promote sustainability for sword and dagger lights, but nerf/rework that small survivability boost for some of the medium to long ranged weapons. overall I want gadgets and specializations balanced around the weapon type itself, not around what gun types shines through the most when paired up with items, then nerfing those items universally no matter the damage.

shrewd ferry
#

GARBAGE MATCHMAKING

quasi ferry
#

Someone broke bro's camera âœŒïžđŸ˜­đŸ’”

west skiff
#

head2head is what quick cash should be. H2H is approachable to all skill levels while having all the depth needed for a rich core gamemode and none of the goofy third partying 3-way nonsense

BRING BACK HEAD 2 HEAD!!

torn haven
#

another day of asking for gun run mode 🩅

umbral linden
#

HEAD 2 HEAD

rotund gust
#

I played a single game yesterday on sys horizon and it was freeze stuttering alot compared to previous patches.
Seems like it was since tuesday update or the hotfix.
Xbos series X btw.

versed cloud
#

Fix the barricade and MGL32 they have been so inconsistent since the game launched and haven't gotten any love.

craggy basin
pale obsidian
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Provide an option for a dedicated ping option as most of the time I just to ping an enemy and not use the ping wheel at all. Marvel Rivals has a dedicated ping options which really helps in chaotic fights, so it would be helpful in The Finals’s environment

cosmic ether
placid harbor
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Bring head2head back

past viper
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The assistance if a player quits in a ranked round is not enough. We were ranked 2nd, teammate quit right after the first cash box, and I still lost 700 RPs because they quit.

lilac solstice
#

sadly i havent been able to fully test it due to my game essentially being a powerpoint presentation every 20 seconds

carmine plume
#

i cant play the game because everyfucking time i launch the game i get an error and now i have a new error that essencially makes my game unplayable thanks embark

frigid coral
#

Please make the game map selectable.

limpid orchid
#

Pointbreak and Powershift dead on South America once again.
This is UNACCEPTABLE. Im considering UNINSTALLING

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wanton edge
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Any idea when we get a matchmaking rework ? đŸ€·â€â™‚ïžđŸ«‚

turbid mortar
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Shockwave countering barricades is unnecessary. Were barricades really that oppressive? I always use them, but I don't run into them nearly as often. Mediums can already counter them with data reshaper and, in most circumstances, demat could just go around them. Now we have to deal with them just falling over from a shockwave? This didn't even come with any sort of buff, like being able to place barricades on walls or something. With how common shockwave is to encounter, barricades feel like they took a pretty big hit to their functionality. It comes in the same season as their coolest skin ever too. (Side note, can we get more creative barricade skins?)

ionic viper
real elm
#

there should be NEXT TO NO INPUT DELAY on ALL GADGETS AND SPECS

dark niche
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the movement ability makes the enemy harder to track⁉ ⁉ ⁉ ⁉ ⁉ ⁉ this entire feedback can be summarized into one sentence: "i main heavy and can't aim"

sick heart
swift compass
#

Isaiah 55:6:
​“Seek the LORD while he may be found; call upon him while he is near.”

pliant rose
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i dont know if this is a known issue but since the last update i have terrible ping in some rounds and a perfectly fine one in others, everytime i check manually i got a good one even in the rounds i have bad ping. Kinda stopped playing because of it

cerulean birch
#

Larp alert

sinful finch
#

the mouse script situation is insane. also make winch go thru mesh again

grim herald
#

The current health updates in Worldtour result in a nerf to the SR 84, as a bodyshot+ quickmelee are not enough to kill a light build anymore. Please consider this if you go through with the changes, as chances of winning close range fights with other lights become even lower then they already were before

uncut drum
#

Again asking to see if anyone here wants H2H back in qp cuz i wanna introduce more of my friends back into the game without getting ass blasted by another team who camped all game

brisk lake
#

An option to adjust the transparency or opacity of ally health would be great. It reduces visibility too much if you're fighting at a distance and an ally passes in front of you.

tight compass
#

Dear Embark Studios Team,

I am writing to express my strong interest in seeing THE FINALS developed for mobile devices. As a passionate player and part of the growing mobile gaming community, I believe bringing the game to mobile would greatly expand its reach and success.

Mobile gaming has evolved significantly, with titles like Call of Duty: Mobile setting a high standard for performance, graphics, and competitive gameplay. If THE FINALS were to come to mobile, it is important that it follows a similar path—being well-optimized to run smoothly across a wide range of devices while maintaining its unique destruction mechanics and fast-paced action.

Optimization should be a top priority. Many players use mid-range devices, especially in regions like Africa and Asia, so ensuring stable performance, good frame rates, and minimal lag would be key to the game’s success on mobile.

Additionally, I strongly suggest that the mobile version be a standalone game, rather than a cloud-based or streamed version. A native mobile application would provide better performance, lower latency, and a more competitive experience for players.

THE FINALS has incredible potential on mobile, and with the right optimization and standalone structure, it could become one of the leading FPS games in the mobile gaming space.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Yours sincerely,
Kritixx
Maybe Lenn in the future

sacred siren
#

has it always been the case that you can melee through the cashout and hit the C4 on the other side?

toxic sedge
# wide creek No, light is already weak as it is in higher ELO. This would totally decimate th...
  1. Why is your only goal insulting everyone? I would love to know your rank.
  2. How many hours do you have on each of the classes? Especially would like to know about your heavy gameplay.
  3. I do actually agree that lights other specs could be buffed, a bit only though.

From here, this message is for the channel, though I doubt embark reads much of this(valid, admittedly)

Shockwave should be buffed again, if not as much as before.

vocal cave
solemn sedge
#

dont change goo plz, its perfect how it is

orchid holly
# toxic sedge 1. Why is your only goal insulting everyone? I would *love* to know your rank. 2...

the AI suggestion you were admiring removes depth & skill expression from dash. it’s also literally the first thing it suggests.

if you go back and forth with AI on what to make of dash the best suggestion it gives is adding some kind of timing to either shotgun and dash or bloom and auto weapons for max damage. none of these things would stop a good player. the guy posting what you were admiring also pretends to be a dash main while asking for the class & heavy to be removed in favor of medium. i know they are not putting any effort into their prompting and are just copy and pasting the first thing. so i totally understand the guy frustration you’re replying too.

if you think shooting + dashing is something a low skill player does i’ve honestly almost never seen it except from really high tier players. i basically told ai that it wasn’t easy & they shot this back to me after going back & forth.

if you have a really small mousepad & slower sens i could see it being more difficult to deal with. i enjoy taking out skilless dashers personally.

——

i am pointing out that some of the anti dash suggestions being posted are AI and leaving this up to make a point. not recommending we use it

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ember ferry
#

Why the fuck are we taking what ai says seriously, at all...?

steady breach
#

Love the changes for movement so far as a heavy main. I use KS23 only and with light being slower, it really feels like I can consistently win against them much more than before. Heavy also feels far faster and can keep up with teams now. I do think light might need a buff across all its specs as cloak is definitely far weaker because of it, and they are far more reliant on movement specs than ever. Maybe it's too early to call it but I think these changes are great and I'm shocked by how much I love them

plucky estuary
#

If the intent of the goo gun nerf is to remove the prolonged stunlock, then why not just reduce the ammo or make consecutive stuns on a target have reduced duration? a base 0.2 second stun would competely kill melee/flamethrower goo combos.

woeful arch
pearl sleet
#

The rest of the point break maps feel garbage now compared to starlight hollow 😭

daring ingot
#

DAY 25 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

marble orbit
#

starlight hollow just ain't it. i'd rather play kyoto

noble path
#

DO NOT CHANGE THE GOO AGAIN - A better alternative is to allow Dematerializer to work on Goo and make it so that the Knockback Specialization on Medium will instantly destroy expanding Goo, that will create counterplay for the only class that is affected by Goo stun lock (and Jump Pad is already a counter to goo already)

vocal bloom
#

amazing playing a full gold team while my team is unranked, fix your ranked system

sonic spoke
#

i was wrong. this patch is horrible. put the hammer back over the shoulder.
Also wth, solo que intoe double 3 stacks and we aerr seed 1....

i have to eat my words. matchmaking was actually good we won, was not a blow out, but not "hard".

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daring remnant
# scenic sandal New health values aren't well thought out considering no weapon damage values we...

I agree. Editting the health and speed of the builds is a bad idea. It would be altering the one fundamental constant around which 3 years of The Finals and a hundred specialisations, weapons and gadgets have been balanced around.

It causes more problems than it solves and doesn't actually address the issue of lights running off since grappling hook and dash still exist. We are three years into this game, tweaking the health and speed of the builds means youre going to have to tweak every specialisation, weapon and gadget in the game, and probably the layouts of certain maps too. It would be a fools errand to try to think you could rebalance every item in the game (even IF changing health and speed makes it slightly easier) in a satisfying and fair manner when you're still trying to figure out how to make xp-54 not suck but also not be absolutely overpowered.

I worry you (embark) don't have the manpower to implement this change well, and as I believe the change does not truly address the problem you are trying to address, I worry that in the end, it will not have the desired effect, and you'll have to think of something else to change.

*Bonus feedback: In my opinion, making the builds more similar is taking away the identity of this game. The Finals is unique among shooters because of a few select factors, and having balanced weapons isn't what makes it unique, it is having light medium and heavy. The differences between them is the appeal of this game. Lessening these differences would mean lessening my (and no doubt a significant portion of gamers) interest in The Finals over the hundreds of other first person shooters. Without a lesser appeal of a less unique experience, gamers may be less likely to get into this game when theres other games that do balanced weapons better. There is only one The Finals, embark. I hope you know what you're doing, and I hope you make the right decision. I, and many others love your game, and would hate to see it rot away.

young drum
#

XP buff to 17 damage, its so weak where it's at. Also the current reload animation happens before the magazine is empty. the reload animation starts at 34 bullets

bronze zenith
#

SENDIN TO LEVL

tranquil karma
ashen grotto
#

I would kill for some more skins that change the way your character holds/operates their gun, specifically for the basic guns like the akm or fcar and what have you, even something as simple as a vertical foregrip where your character holds it instead of the handguard or a skin/animation set where the character holds the ak with a c-clamp grip instead of the normal one

remote kiln
#

Actual nerf for the h+ infuser???

“Increased the delay before ammo starts regenerating from 8s to 10s

Dev Note: The H+ Infuser still performs a little too well compared to the Medium’s Healing Beam and can be too powerful in securing Cashout steals while under fire. This change has been made to level things out”

How does nerfing the regeneration = What the dev note is saying???

Nerf the amour of healing with it already, nerfing the time it takes to start the regeneration didn’t do anything to why this gadget is dominant.

The rapid fire and the amount of healing is the reasons why it’s dominating better then heal beam. Not the regeneration

This change doesn’t balance things out at ALL

torpid quarry
#

Starlight hollow is not a good enough map to be forced to play it every other match, why did you do this

tulip rose
#

Ranked system is worse than in beta stage. Now you get faced against triple premade ruby/Diamond players, almost every game in very low gold games. They beat us in total team points almost 3 to 4 times sometimes. And when you lose, BAM - 1100 points. If yo udont have the amount of players for a ranked system to be fair, than just straight up delete the mode. This is not even close to anything about being "ranked", it is designed to bully other players who want to test their skills, because they put in ring professional boxer against 2 year old! literally the worst system in evey shotter game ever designed.

civic flax
west hornet
#

This game was cool and it now become a hot mess. The game is full of cheaters. Played quick cash all night and one in every round 2-4x the damage of every player. Make the game unplayable

charred rover
#

please bring back head2head

fervent coral
#

Recon senses man...

maiden anchor
#

When am I going to stop teaming up with two dumb Lights in the solo queue?

kind kite
#

I have a question abt ranked i played placement games with my 2 friends and top fragged every single game and also had the highest objective score, but when the placements were over i placed bronze 4 and my friends who didn't do as well kill wise placed silver. Im astonished on how the ranked system works could someone please explain. (didnt realize there was a cooldown, if you have an answer please respond in dms(open)

ruby talon
#

i feel like the seed system in lower ranks doesnt really work, ive heard it works better in upper ranks but in lower ranks all of the skill levels vary a lot. i dont want to lose 400 rank being put in 1st seed against 5 people who hit diamond last season

woeful plank
#

EMBARK PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION- WHY DO SEMI AUTO WEAPONS LIKE LH1 OR V9S HAVE BLOOM DURING JUMP SHOTS OR IN AIR COMBAT AND FULL AUTOS DONT THATS A BIT REDACTIVE TO A GUN THAT RELIES PRECESLY ON AIM AND HIT SCAN

waxen thicket
#

  • Add bullet drops beyond max range for all guns, similar to KS23 and SR84. This will make open cashouts guarded by campers easier to push

  • Add 40 damage to direct hits with MGL32, letting it break arena props and shields while also rewarding accurate body hits

  • Add a midair detonation trigger for MGL32 and CL40 with aim button, allowing for early detonation of the shots at 50% damage so that they can still be useful when out of position

  • Make all Pike .556 scopes available for the SR84, and vice versa. Marksman scopes that are compatible with each other should be interchangeable

  • Give Pike to Heavy. Pike is a weak weapon and is outclassed by both the Repeater and Crossbow in terms of poke and dive. The low dps on Pike would be a better fit on Heavy class, finally giving them a Marksman weapon

  • Make KS23's hipfire fully accurate like all other shotguns, lack of headshot and hitscan already makes it too weak and unreliable compared to Akimbo and BFR

  • Remove the last 2 spins on Spear's heavy attack, or better yet, turn it into a charged spear throw with more damage than the Bow but shorter range, longer chargeup and slower recovery

  • Hide kill noises and scoreboard notifications for Dagger backstab eliminations, similar to TF2 Spy

  • Rework Cloaking Device into a Phasing Device, which also lets users jump through walls at a high energy cost, allowing for silent infiltration and escapes

  • Rework Guardian Turret to instead grant 2 smaller turrets with less health, damage and cooldown

  • Add a 20 damage explosion to gas burns, making gas+fire loadouts actually useful for offense

  • Let explosions and destructions create craters on the ground as makeshift covers in open areas, allowing for trench warfare similar to BF6

  • Add knockback to explosive self-damage, allowing for tricks like Rocket Jumping and Nade Boosting from TF2

  • Remove ADS slow for shotguns, since they don't gain accuracy on aim like other guns anyways

grand crow
#

I hope there's a Light spec next season, it's been two years bruh

orchid thunder
surreal bluff
sour wigeon
#

NERF SWORDS BUFF GUNS

twin helm
#

fix shockwave yea

warm briar
#

Can we make the Cerberus a little more viable? Don't get me wrong I like it but it's... What's the best way to describe it? Bipolar? Sometimes you will do a lot of damage even if you barely graze the guy and sometimes when you have your reticle centered on the enemy they will only take 8 damage. In addition I don't like the way the fire damage works. It always burns just enough to leave the guy 1hp, I swear this must be a feature that it can never finish a person off with burn damage just based off of how many times I have seen this happen.

sterile plank
#

Please revert whatever u did to Shockwave, it feels incredible unintuitive and weak to use.
Also would be cool if the Data Reshaper can also reshape things with Right Click, and it additionally reverts the canister rotation when reshaping a canister

hybrid silo
#

Embark I know medium needs to remain as a walking heal beam and jump pad dispenser but while you are in your experimenting phase, could you experiment with removing the delay from demat and reshaper? I know I‘m asking for a lot here and to compensate you can add a 40 sec cooldown between charges because I would rather have that then this fuck ass delay(plus medium needs to remain a walking heal beam and jump pad dispenser).

While you are at it you can also experiment with adding a fixed pattern to demat because when I try to run away I usually take out 2 pixels from under me, if I want to shoot at someone under me it almost always takes out the entire floor/roof from under me. I know that these changes make too much sense so only implement them when you are running an experiment.

Also, I just wanted to congratulate you guys for the amazing and long awaited infuser nerf that changed absolutely nothing. You guys successfully missed the issue yet again but that’s why we love you Embark, keep em coming.

lime lark
novel skiff
#

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eternal hinge
#

Personally I feel like absolutely ridiculous to increase lights’ health, and decrease heavy, three lights team-up not only move incredibly fast but also extremely hard to eliminate
with all dash, healing gun, or invisible

amber granite
#

This game is not for casual players. Health and speed changes, in my opinion, only serve to please the more casual player base. The best fps games are competitive and aware of that. In my opinion The Finals needs to embrace the fact that it is geared towards a competitive player base.

celest acorn
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Please, do not nerf goo lock with permanent 0.2 timing.
Goo gun become one of the most versatile utilities in the game, and it basically synergizes with everything. With Sledge also, we need this goo lock timing. But yes, I agree that around goo lock a lot of frustration has accumulated. Especially because of griefing and constant goo locking players on the place for long period of time.

So maybe there can be a compromise? Like: lets first goo lock can be normal 0.8 seconds, second goo lock 0.7 seconds, third 0.5 seconds, fourth 0.3, fiveth 0.1 and etc. After some cooldown, lets say 2 seconds, enemy again will be gooed with full 0.8 seconds stun. Or it'll can be just magazine nerf: not 20 goo blobs, but 16.

Formed community really needs goo lock in any form, but no less than 0.6 seconds. Instead it'll be just useless utill for so many weapons, gadgets and playstyles. And its really sad.

chrome lichen
frigid horizon
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Is the data reshaper supposed to use both its charges on one thing? I was watching a clip i took and one barricade used both charges..

Also with the deployable buffs thats been going around i think its time data reshaper got its 3rd charge back

dreamy locust
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Wow i so look forward to Embark returning the Goo nerf and watching all of us Goo heavies be sidelined and leave the game.....

white oasis
#

There needs to be a leave option for teams that have no chance of winning. It’s. Not enjoyable waiting to respawn just to have to wait 5 minutes to get back to the main menu.

formal thorn
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Have the respawns been changed? I feel that with the last updates, respawns tend to favour third parties. Like A LOT. Last season wasnt like that. If your team got wiped out you would respawn within 100m aprox of a cashout with a team alone. Now it doesnt matter if there already 2 teams fighing a cashout, you respawn near them and because of distance and time, you will be forced to go third party them. I feel this is sooo annoying. I understand that a game with 4 teams will eventually set up third party situations, but the change from last season to the current one... very bad, honestly.

worn pier
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Hi Embark, is it possible for you to implement SMAA into the PC graphics settings? All the included anti aliasing settings look really bad and significantly impact the enjoyment of what would otherwise be a really good looking game. As far as I know SMAA is already included in Unreal Engine 5 so it would be really easy to implement.

hidden swan
frigid coral
#

Excuse me, sir.
Could you please make Point Break's map selectable?
I really love Starlight Hollow!

granite dagger
#

Please nerf the crossbow literally shreds in seconds

formal coral
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For a sandbox game, the way to win at higher level is litteraly always the same, one heavy with winch and shak or SA, one medium with FCAR or any other ARs with healing beam staying 10m from his heavy and a light glitching and going dash. The game and the meta is stale as shit but we are focusing on decreasing health instead of adding any real changes on winch on dash or on medium. Ohh sorry we added smth, a new spec that we instantly nerf to the ground for some reason

limber prairie
shrewd ferry
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Fix your garbage matchmaking, and stop teaming me with noobs

atomic shore
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how can i warm up for ranked when cashout is different, quick cash is garbage? BRING BACK HEAD2HEAD

pseudo warren
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FIX THE game with last update you messed up gateway and glitches - sometimes they are not working.

warped niche
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Bring back head 2 head IM BEGGING

winter sparrow
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People claim the SBMM is too strong but personally i think it’s too weak. I don’t want to play against ruby players, ever. Make them play against each other (only!) and let me play against other gold players in peace. Fix the matchmaking and you probably solve 1000 other smaller problems automatically as a byproduct.

Also, please delete all these cheap 10Hz servers and let us play in at least 30Hz. Preferably 60Hz. You can afford it now that your CEO is also EC of Nexon

ionic forge
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tfla0004 i was banned in 2023 and cant connect my arc account to it to get the skin i was not cheating while playing the finals i downloade it again and im still banned i was not and never had cheats

main ice
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We need something to prevent spawn camping the attackers on A in starlight hollow. I want to play a objective based game mode and not TDM

slow shard
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Idk about other people but since 10.3 this game has become pretty much unplayable. Constant. Never ending. Lag. And High Ping. Every game. I can tolerate and be open to a lot of changes and balancing to this game but what is left for me to tolerate if I cant even play the game? The connection issues are most definitely not from my end as my connection and internet speed has remained unchanged. Other games I play have not suffered in the slightest. I will be leaving a negative review until this game is actually playable. Urge others to do the same if they are facing similar issues.

oblique notch
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I got bored and wrote a three paragraph message on why Embark should change The Finals' reward system to be closer to Rocket League's reward system. Can't wait for the "I'm not reading allat" replies ch_hop

TLDR: This would make ranks more accurate early in the season, promote more diamond level players to play beyond 40k RS other than hitting Ruby, would make boosting players for rewards harder, and make ranked rewards mean a player is actually at that skill level more than they got lucky and peaked at the bottom of that rank

The Finals' ranked rewards system should be like Rocket League's where player have to climb through the reward tiers instead of simply getting the rewards for reaching the rank. In Rocket League, players start at the bottom, receiving nothing at the end of the season regardless of their rank. As players win ranked games, they progress to the next reward tier, but only if they are at that next tier's rank or higher. A gold player can progress from bronze to silver to gold rewards, but cannot progress to platinum rewards until they win games while at platinum rank. If you derank before finishing a reward tier, your progress is kept and will continue to progress once you rank up again.

In The Finals, this both makes ranked rewards mean something more than simply hitting a peak (as a player has to maintain a rank long enough to hit that rank's rewards) and prevents the entire ranked ladder from being compressed early in the season, placing players much lower than they should be, making ranks incredibly inaccurate for a significant period of time at the start of every season. This would lead to another issue of barrier for Ruby skyrocketing as reasons progress, this could be fixed by limiting the max placement RS to 42500 (instead of the current 28500). This new system also encourages low diamond players to play more beyond barely touching the bottom of diamond, which is healthy for all ranks as high plat and diamond+ players will have more players playing at a time, leading to fewer high ranked players in gold/silver lobbies.

In Rocket League, players must win 10 games per reward tier to progress to the next. In The Finals, not only would this have to be reduced as even a single round of a ranked tournament lasts longer than an entire match of Rocket League (I propose something like 5 wins), the idea of a "win" in the context of this new rewards system would have to be changed too if we want progression to feel fair across all ranks. I propose that a win for ranked rewards should be counted as a tournament where RS isn't lost instead of simply qualifying to the next round or winning the final round. This makes progression fair as RS gain and loss is generally indicative of how the game expected you to perform in that tournament. A player will have to perform better than expected for the game to count it as a win (for the rewards system ONLY, I'm not proposing that this W/L system is used for actually tracking wins and losses.)

As a sidenote, this new rewards system shouldn't affect the ranked player card badge, as that's indicative of peak rank more than anything.

civic flax
mellow bloom
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Fix the dagger hit reg, im literally facing the enemy as a heavy and im getting backstabbed lmao

empty needle
#

since the latest update i have been having very bad latency.

short cipher
#

Fix achievements, bring back head2head. Stop ruining your game

gloomy anchor
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Why the fuck is the game removing 600+ RS when losing as seeds 7/8?

The game randomly selecting you to lose a couple of games in a row should not wipe out hours of work winning tournaments

Seeds 7/8 should have minimal or no loss since its just the game setting you up to fail based on rng

ember obsidian
daring ingot
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DAY 26 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

grim dagger
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Hello Embark - thank you for keeping the game fresh and intresting. I love the super long patchnotes and that you are testing new things to improve the game!
Please add more cute, girly & sexy cosmetics! I wanna spend cash on your game, but I can't really find anything I like.

PS: Please add a black bob hairstyle for hoodies - like the white valentine-wheel version from last year. All outfits with hood (like the new one) look super ugly without hair - and I don't like masks.

Oh - and I love the kinetic flare skins! Can we get more of them?

topaz jungle
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Dear embark. Thanks for the hotfix. Have you all considered reworking Seoul for powershift? It’s one of the oldest maps and seems pretty imbalanced

willow vigil
#

Remove every class, put a Walmart in fortune stadium, and turn the game into titanfall 2

hearty coyote
#

Fix the social menus.

fallow laurel
#

Wtf is this guys. I have so many games in ranked play where the third guy just is disconnected from the beginning and leaves completely during first round. I’ve lost a few thousand points because of this. This should affect the rank as is does in no way reflect skill, game sense or whatever.

regal steppe
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Why are we trying to change hp and speed values of classes? This is such a risky change. Like literally this is what makes this game so unique and special and you’re about to take it all away. Like ok give heavy a buff with maybe 5% or the 10% speed c increase but don’t mess with anything else. I love this game so much, I just hate when the devs suicided their on game or noobs. đŸ«©

south ravine
#

Day 86 of asking Embark to add native HDR support to the finals.

celest chasm
#

Can we get 3 extra seconds on smoke? That season 8 nerf has been oppressive with no fix in sigh and it's kind of useless for any thing outside of countering fire and mediocre smoke and steals.

It does not cover a doorway or vector effectively.

thorn gulch
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That health change is so stupid (Only L mains like this, it's breaking the balance of every weapon)

deep wigeon
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revert shockwave nerf
make demat cooldown 15 sec
make goo gun stun 0.5 instead of 0.2

Embark, prove you actually care about dynamism and skill expression rather than narrowing heavy and medium playstyles to serve a single purpose.

supple tinsel
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I just hoped from four different games of tdm and one of point break, the FIVE HAD STARLIGHT HOLLOW can we nuke this mf map already

1 in 13,824 odds btw

manic oak
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Should do something about the insane amounts of smurf accounts and still alot of cheaters. But the amount of smurf accounts now are insane. And matchmaking is still terrible.
And casual gamemodes are always ruined by 1-2 giga sweaty max rank players farming the lobby against new players and low rank players. No wonder new players leave this game. When smurfs, giga sweats, and cheaters ruin it for them in every mode they go in to.

jolly dagger
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Bigger hats in merch store pls gng

velvet burrow
hollow wolf
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Please enable killcam in point break!! It looks like it full of hackers but no way to validat because of the missing killcam

thorny lynx
#

Why has The Chinals become the game WE ALL WANTED?

pliant rose
#

EXTREME PING ISSUE: I dont know why more people arent talking about this but the game is abselutly unplayable for me and many of my friends right now. Some rounds its fine but others it feels like im playing on NA servers (im in eu) or even worse, even when only selecting eu in the regions, sometimes with constant 500ms delay. When checking my ping manually i get around 12ms even with the game open and running. Please fix this, it must be fixable as it only started recently

fervent dove
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t would be great to have the ability to view match history.
Also, there is a lack of player statistics. For example, when clicking on a player's profile, it would be useful to see their average stats such as KDA, win rate, and other basic metrics.
Also, please do something about smurf accounts.

lapis anchor
#

Is h2h coming back yet?

pliant lion
#

Can you finally remove the stun effect from the winch claw?

And especially remove the ability for the heavy to shoot sooner that the person being winched.

young hatch
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Matchmaking for casuals in this game is cooked, especially for anyone decent playing solo.

Quick Cash is meant to be casual but it’s the opposite right now for decent casual players. Every second game, really
 most games for me, you’re up against full 3 stacks running like it’s ranked finals, while your team is three randoms (sometimes a duo of lights) with zero comms and no coordination.

And it’s definitely not a player population issue, because it’s clearly not. I’ve rotated through multiple different 3 stacks in the same session. They exist. There’s enough of them to match against each other. So why are they constantly being put against solos?

In a 3v3 mode, a full stack is a massive advantage (coordinated holds, movements, staying on top of each other). It’s not like bigger team games where a party is just part of the team.

This is the kind of thing that makes people quit and new players aren’t sticking around to get farmed by stacked teams 24/7. Solo players aren’t going to grind through this either. Casual modes are supposed to keep the game alive and drive new player experience. Having to play 100% stacked teams as a new player because SBMM says so, isn’t optimal.

hard arrow
warped meteor
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fix this little oversight please. Medieval armor does not touch bare skin it has a layer of padding under it. No reason for the ankles to be showing here, should be cloth or chainmail.

Also, Bring Back Head 2 Head (and/or add 1 round cashout mode)

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upper furnace
#

Dear Embark amount of smurf is insane, please help us not ES player wanna play too)

lament sable
#

Can we do something about these griefing teams please?????????

kindred oak
#

For the love of god can we get “console only cross play”

hidden prawn
paper meadow
#

Just successfully spawn camped the attackers to death on starlight hollow in point break. It’s been made harder to do for sure with the most recent adjustments but a group of real dedicated dinguses can get er’ done. This is also an issue on Nozomi, since folks can just camp out in the lower courtyard of that first push and mop up attackers. Going in the right direction for sure but there’s still improvements to be made. Also Point Break related the amount of xp, fans, etc seems oddly low for this mode. Especially considering how long some games run, I just had a match were some players were racking up nearly 50 kills by the end and after winning on attack I left with less than 2k xp, less than 1k fans, and like 1 legacy pass tokens if you get one at all. This isn’t really an issue in WT (except with legacy tokens) so this adjustment seems possible.

Also also I made a series of posts in #1201841543926005810 that are of note. Just a buncha small cosmetic issues.
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1495040423524175872
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1494855741230551061
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1494845142132064297

Also also also y’all should probably add H2H back lol, I think everyone assumed it was gone specifically to make room for the new map queue (although that was questionable on its own) and now that’s gone leaving an H2H shaped hole. I don’t even play it personally but it’s odd to completely eat a reasonably popular mode, this is no terminal attack eh?

sand holly
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i cannot play since the update , i crash every game, never had that before

hearty bough
#

Please give some clarity on if the shockwave nerf (not in patch notes) was intentional or not

tranquil karma
#

Given how massive a change the respec would be I believe we should have some way of directly voting for it rather than sending our feedback into the void.

I feel like the way the respec was implemented: as a wt change instead of a limited time mode will be used as justification to push the change if the number of people playing wt this week barely changes from last week. There may be a ton of people who don’t like this change but just want to play wt and it skews the data a bit.

I personally will not be playing wt until it goes back to normal. I’ve tried the respec and don’t want it. I don’t think others who don’t want it will do the same though.

sterile plank
vocal bloom
#

how am i supposed to win against a 7 seeding with people who are unranked? give me people in my rank, not people who barely touched ranked

past granite
#

FIX ACHIEVEMENTS PLEASE ASAP

hollow kelp
waxen thicket
# thorn gulch That health change is so stupid (Only L mains like this, it's breaking the balan...

no it's not, it's one of the best changes they ever done to this game.

Anyways, cloak and turret needs rework, they're too weak as specs compared to others.

Rework ideas for turrets:

  1. Turn the turret into a drone or RC with wheels, that can be moved remotely by pressing Q. This will make managing the turret and repositioning easier.

  2. Rework it into 2 smaller turrets with half the cooldown, health and damage. Having 2 turrets mean they can cover more angles, protect each other and grant a backup in hand when one is destroyed or falls down, which happens way too often. It would make the turrets more effective without increasing power.

  3. Make it an equipment, that's it. The turret is already too limited in it's functionality to be a complete specialization, being too easy to counter without enough damage to justify the opportunity cost over others. It would be simpler to just make it an equipment like Healing Emitter, which is useful but not strong enough to be a full-fledged specialization.

Rework ideas for Cloak:

  1. Like TF2, Make cloak completely silent. But also, disable all weapons and items during cloak, and make decloaking slow and loud. So cloak can be more useful, but also force the user to be more careful when and where to attack.

  2. Add a phasing effect. While using cloak, jumping allows the user to pass through walls and obstacles while consuming more energy. Like Dematerializer, but only user can pass through and leave behind no hole for teammates or enemy. Allows cloak to be used for infiltration and escape through walls.

Any 1 of these changes for each would make them more useful as specs.

blissful fable
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When are you going to fix shockwave? It’s a huge nerf that is ruining the positive momentum that s10 was generating.

meager shuttle
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I hope your cashout experiment that you’re doing shows that medium is the most victimized and low picked class. Please stop favoriting light class and make medium class strong again.

abstract atlas
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Im not sure that this is possible but when in a party of over 3 players we arent able to do a private match, unless im missing something

safe ravine
#

The update was so bad. During a Ranked tournament (YES RANKED), what happened on 2nd round: 2 people from each team got connected to a game, and the remaining 1 was connected to another game. So we had 2 matches in parallel, our solo guy didnt qualify but we did, and he still joined us for the final match.
It was a funny bug, but it's surprisingly trash one. GG Embark

AND FIX SHOCKWAVE !!!!!!!!! SPE JUST DROPPED AND U MESSING IT UP, maybe nerf was intentional but why not mention it in the patch notes!?!

abstract coyote
#

Giving the heavy class a healing emitter is basically saying mediums no longer need to be helping anyone out as the heavy class can now heal themselves and all teammates.
(Make healing emitter work just like any other healing item allow it to heal to a certain amount then it self destructs itself/or goes into a cooldown)
having it heal forever until it’s destroyed or thrown away from them is not the way as heavy’s can put domes and barricades around it. Not to mention lock bolt you down if you get to close. Let’s be realistic heavy’s were made for defense. Also as a light main remove healing items from light class too. I miss when this game was balanced with light being combat, medium being healing and heavy being defense. Now if your a heavy class your all 3. Medium are useless now. And lights are strait up killing machines that don’t need to heal other players.
Embark have you lost your ways of the play style. I’ve been here since beta and it’s been a blast playing but we are forgetting what made the finals. “The Finals”

vital ice
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Server instability issues are negatively affecting gameplay I've had to deal with multiple Wt matches where people are disconnecting constantly from the lobbies on my team and the whole lobbies costing people matches it's too difficult playing duo and being a member down hurts alot

raw blaze
#

ay man like.... Come on.. 😭

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trail terrace
#

embark is gonna get sued one of these days for this kind of matchmaking

wide summit
#

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET RID OF LOW GRAVITY

urban swallow
fluid geode
#

Fix ranked ffs. Seeding 8 with 2k to win, ~500 rs for even SURVIVING the first round but somehow LOSE 600 WHENB NOT?!
Atleast dont make me lose RS when using me as cannon fodder so the unemployed can find a game in under 2 mins.
This is bullshit.

regal widget
#

please give me the option to turn down the in game crowd chanting.

karmic crypt
#

This. 100%. I think this recent update to Cashout has made me realize 1) that all it did was buff heavies and nerf lights to be honest and 2) that there is a systemic flaw with the entire game and no it is not health and speed. It's your medium. You have made them... basically useless as a support class. If you are going to build a game with a support character you need to build around them and make them fun to play. Medium is not fun to play, especially in the most recent shadow nerf/bug for the shockwave. This video by lootgoblin on Youtube is great at explaining. It's about TF2 for the most part but this applies to any and all class-based, multiplayer team games. Fixing this systemic problem won't be easy but I think it will sky rocket this game into the stratosphere if done right. Like no doubt. TF2 is still played and very popular and new stuff is added every century if any at all.
Responding to @abstract coyote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVILjrp7A5U

slow void
#

Servers are not really stable these days ... hit registration Feel really bad and random.

ruby talon
#

PLEASE make some punishment for leaving a game for all modes, at least like a 5 minute ban so that people dont just leave when they think they are losing

opal patrol
#

Now that arc raiders players are balancing out can you guys PLEASE do some marketing for The Finals? It is literally the best game out right now and it is slowly dying meanwhile I see absolutely zero advertising. PLEASE put in some effort to this amazing game.

high axle
#

would it be a option too add a delay between the dashes from light idk how much but it think it would still good but u cant spam it and it would be still usefull

broken citrus
#

Quick Cash till next Thursday 👍, screw whoever decided to give light 25 extra hp

clear haven
#

Can you stop forcing every medium into being a healing droid and actually make demat something worth picking

cursive radish
#

Hello Embark,
I’d like to share a couple of suggestions.

First, I think it would be really useful to have a feature that lets you preview the player card pose of an emote before purchasing it. Since The Finals is an FPS, it’s not really a game where players tend to spam emotes — they’re fun, but not as "central to the experience" as in games like Fortnite. Personally, the main reason I’d consider buying emotes is to customize my player card, so being able to preview how they look there would make a big difference.

Second, I think it would be great to add more meaningful rewards for top-ranked players, especially for the top 10 or top 100 (or even top 99). Right now, the reward for being in the top 10 is having your name on a trophy in the Practice Range...which honestly feels pretty insignificant — For context, I’m not a top 500 player and likely won’t be, but I believe these changes would still benefit the competitive experience overall.

It could be more engaging to introduce "time-limited" rewards that stay on your profile for the duration of the season. For example, if at the end of the season I’m ranked 97, I could receive a “Top 100” outfit or jersey with the number 97 on it (or even a standard jersey for everyone, since numbers can be customized). At the end of the season, if I drop out of the top 100, I would lose the item.

I also think this could somehow help reduce smurfing: by adding more meaningful and interesting rewards (especially for top 100), players would have a stronger incentive to keep grinding on their main account instead of creating new ones to climb again. This would ultimately lead to a healthier competitive environment.

wide vortex
#

can you delete the winch already

keen pumice
#

anyone else having insane lag spikes ever since season 10 has started? I've tried everything to fix it and I still have 10+ lag spikes during the game that make me lose fights and games. The game is basically unplayable at a competitive level right now because of it

karmic hollow
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In the final round, the other team played better than us. But they weren't pushing the objective - they just stood there and shot at us. For 25 minutes they stalled and didn't let us lose. It's torture. You can't leave the game, you can't stand still either. Some of the worst emotions in my life - random strangers stealing my time for their own enjoyment. The devs need to do something about ** like these.

@tired maple Why are you doing this? Do you enjoy tormenting people? Does it make you feel better about yourself?

west skiff
#

BRING BACK H2H

white anchor
coarse shore
#

Hey y'all, new to the discord - just joined cause of the bugs introduced in the latest patch. Has Embark at least acknowledged achievements being broken?

woven quest
#

light sword makes the game no fun! *sad face*

grand hare
#

clearly the biggest problems are the servers, ranked and cheaters

fierce valve
#

Why do we have an emblem on our playercards that calls out our level?

Like.. why?

short sequoia
#

Im gonna be honest and I posted this a while back. Chances are its not going to be changed back but I honestly prefer the old background announcer while in matches. I loved his old version of what i believe was "quad kill! Someone's getting promoted!" Because the new version just feels off or feels like hes "over-expressing" the gameplay.

idle thorn
#

Could ranked at least give extra points if you get gangbanged by 50 third parties during a single cashout? It's kinda fucked up how as soon as you hit plat you have to slave away at seeding 1 every game while people play so randomly.

radiant reef
#

Please add way more outfit slots, and make them save everything cosmetic related, including player cards. Leave contestant slots purely for archetype, spec, weapon and gadgets choice.

cursive urchin
#

Because movement, survivability, and damage can all happen at the same time with minimal commitment, dash removes the need to choose between escaping and fighting. Most other tools in the game force a tradeoff between repositioning and output, but dash lets you do both at once with high reliability.

A low-impact fix would be to make dash always move in the direction of the crosshair, like it already does when no movement keys are pressed. In that state, dash goes straight relative to aim even if you spin during it: https://streamable.com/agly3t

If dash were tied to crosshair direction, that changes:

  • Escaping would require committing your aim away from the target
  • Continuing to deal damage would require committing your movement toward or around the fight

That separation brings back meaningful decisions under pressure. Instead of one input covering multiple problems at once, players would have to prioritise - either disengage cleanly or stay engaged and risk punishment.

Right now, dash collapses those decisions into a single low risk action. Even when caught in the open, it feels tankier than heavy while dealing damage. Examples from pro play: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2746415466?t=3h30m21s and https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2752067545?t=1h54m19s

Adding directional commitment would restore that layer of gameplay without reducing the skill ceiling.

sour wigeon
#

Nerf swords buff guns

hollow shuttle
#

The seeding system needs to go, 90% of the time it has absolutely no say in team strengths (especially in solo queue) and it punishes you massively for getting unlucky or even actively getting griefed by the other teams. It is a very bad feature to have ranked point rewards be tied to the seeding because of this reason. It also makes it a gamble whether you loser 200 or 1000 ranking within 10 minutes, or gaining 600 or 2000 in 30. This means if you are unlucky and constantly get a low seeding, it can take you up to three times as long to rank up for the same level of performance. The inverse is also true, if you are unlucky you may lose rating three times as fast as if you are lucky. This dependancy on so many luck based factors can completely ruin the competitive experience

edgy sphinx
#

Day 9999999 of asking to fix matchmaking

bright flicker
#

So glad when you play thefinals 99% of the time someones getting revived immediately so its entirely pointless to actually get kills in the first place

sterile canopy
pure hatch
#

Still no attempt on ranked balancing? 6th game, playing against literal gods as my frioends and i are bronze .... like cmon

normal mauve
#

sometimes it just stucks at red screen after match ending (when returning the lobby) windows 11

tight compass
#

Dear Embark Studios Team,

I am writing to express my strong interest in seeing THE FINALS developed for mobile devices. As a passionate player and part of the growing mobile gaming community, I believe bringing the game to mobile would greatly expand its reach and success.

Mobile gaming has evolved significantly, with titles like Call of Duty: Mobile setting a high standard for performance, graphics, and competitive gameplay. If THE FINALS were to come to mobile, it is important that it follows a similar path—being well-optimized to run smoothly across a wide range of devices while maintaining its unique destruction mechanics and fast-paced action.

Optimization should be a top priority. Many players use mid-range devices, especially in regions like Africa and Asia, so ensuring stable performance, good frame rates, and minimal lag would be key to the game’s success on mobile.

Additionally, I strongly suggest that the mobile version be a standalone game, rather than a cloud-based or streamed version. A native mobile application would provide better performance, lower latency, and a more competitive experience for players.

THE FINALS has incredible potential on mobile, and with the right optimization and standalone structure, it could become one of the leading FPS games in the mobile gaming space.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Yours sincerely,
Kritixx
Maybe Lenn in the future

sinful vapor
#

koi caliber bundle 2 pls pls i beg

topaz jungle
ionic cove
#

pleeeeasee revert the sh1900 changes

bleak vortex
rich fox
#

hand cannon for light would be cool. pretty much the same thing as the revolver

covert dagger
#

I do not care if it takes 10-30 seconds longer to queue please just after all this time figure out the matchmaking. Let me play against lvl100's

sudden spire
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The TTK in this game is too short. I miss the feel of the game in the beta when you didn't die in a gun-fight in a half second

limber prairie
tranquil karma
# rich fox hand cannon for light would be cool. pretty much the same thing as the revolver

Could be cool but would be hard to stand out against other options considering how many pistols/revolvers already exist in game. It unfortunately probably couldn’t be a revolver considering there are already 2 of them. The next thing that comes to mind is a deagle but heavy already has the akimbos. It can’t be fast firing because v9s already exists and full auto would be pointless too.

I think a good option for smth that would stand out would be a 4-shot break action derringer. Give it good dmg per shot, bad recoil, decent accuracy and dmg drop off, mid reload speed.

lean sundial
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MAYBE UPDATE YOUR SHITTY ANTI-CHEAT ALREADY? EVERY MATCH I FIND CHEATS, LOTS OF PROOF IN REDDIT, 10SEC TO SEARCH AND FIND THEM YET YOU KEEP QUIET AND PROTECTING THE CHEATERS. KERNEL LEVEL CHEATS, TAKES 5SEC TO GOOGLE. FULL AIMBOT AND WALLHACKS AND YOU DON'T DETECT SHEET, NEITHER YOU CARE ABOUT THE REPORTS ANYMORE. YOU ARE CLEARLY ALL TOTALLY MENTALLY CHALLENGED OVER THERE.

rain cargo
#

B point on Starlight Hollow ruins the whole map. Attackers have to push uphill into defenders with high ground and indestructible cover.

versed cloud
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Animate the enemy team colors edges that way they're less likely to blend with the colors of the map.

paper meadow
#

Folks have been getting shot and winched around corners for years now, and now more recently we’re seeing more and more reports of bullets not registering. The discrepancy between player locations from screen to screen is getting silly, it’s like I’m playing dark souls 3 pvp again. No other multiplayer shooter I’ve played has had this problem to this degree, even faster paced ones like Titanfall 2.

I’ve had mountains of anecdotal evidence for ages, getting killed by snipers through walls as I peek in and out is basically an hourly occurrence when I’m playing. But here’s a great visual demonstration of these issues from the bug reports channel: https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1490774959864287414 . You can see from OPs pov that their entire head is below the ground when they get hooked, but when the replay runs it shows the winch connecting basically before they even start falling downward. That’s a full heavy’s height difference between screens, nearly half a second of fall time unaccounted for on the enemy’s screen.

This is absolutely unacceptable in a shooter in my opinion, we’re forced to make snap decisions with great aiming precision but basically all cover has a half a second deadzone until you’re actually safe. If you play light regularly that means that in theory quite a few weapons could bring you from full health to zero while you are fully behind cover on your screen.

I understand the way that the server keeps track of destruction is quite complicated and where we’re at is commendable really. But I just wish this latency was being prioritized or at the very least commented on, especially when y’all have decided to go all in on e-sports.

Oh also achievements have been broken across all platforms since Thursday. That wasn’t even worth a mention in the hotfix notes? Yeesh.

frank holly
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Still haven't been given RS back for the blatant cheaters I've versed

woven dirge
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Fix ur fucking ranked system. I keep getting ppl that r new to the game. It should not be happening

restive warren
ebon elbow
#

Did some new cheat software came up recently? Today's lobbies were infested with them. I didn't notice so many cheaters in the recent seasons as tonight.

wooden sand
#

hologram multi device skin when?

hard arrow
#

Dear Embark Studios
#1494593123123335260
I’m begging, it was such a chill and fun gamemode that provided a learning environment that other gamemodes don’t

warped niche
#

For the love of God remove moving platforms

native yarrow
#

Thanks for making your games a hell of a mess!
Well done!!!

toxic sedge
verbal kayak
#

Can someone explain what the purpose of this "you cant queue with people 10000 RS lower or higher" thing is, if most of the matchmaker abuse comes from smurfs in 3 stacks queueing with a bronze/silver to get into low lobbies? Its almost like embark WANTS smurfing to happen. Every single game I've played the last 2 nights has been a 6th place first round knockout where I get brutally bullied by people with 70k in cash, with my team having less than 10k. I get punished massively due to it being an "easy lobby", they get 2k RS for winning and climb.

unreal zodiac
#

yo we need a screenshake reducer

young hatch
# verbal kayak Can someone explain what the purpose of this "you cant queue with people 10000 R...

You can’t queue with a duo, but I think a trio you can.

But even as solo bronze I had lobbies of at least 2 gold full stacks. Even players with Ruby backgrounds.

Thats me as a solo player who when solo queues mostly gets team mates with 1500 - 3000RS. Of course I always come last or second last.

This is my first time trying ranked, so placement matches with low level bronzes against silvers and golds meant I lost every game and was lucky to start with 10k RS. All my light team mates would run off and die 200m away the spam revive or get angry they died and no one helped.

It makes zero sense that I have only been given bronze team mates while solo queue enemies in silver are getting silver or gold. And there’s silver, gold pre made three stacks.

paper river
#

Power Shift Needs a Ranked Mode

dry smelt
#

can we get lifetime stats for each weapon

quick coyote
#

Please split players up by in game hours. No way I should fight someone with more than 1000 hours when I have 300 and my teammates have less than 20. How does this happen???

polar valley
#

Clamp gadget when?

plucky estuary
#

The demat change is only a buff if you use all 3 charges within ten seconds, otherwise it is a major nerf. The cl40 buff is also a nerf since 5 extra damage on a direct hit isn't as noticeable as even more self damage and even less splash damage.

white pine
# plucky estuary The demat change is only a buff if you use all 3 charges within ten seconds, oth...

The Demat change is hardly noticeable to me, feels like basically how it always has imo

You're absolutely right the CL40 change is a huge nerf. It's just so punishing now for no real upside.

I'd go as far as to say it's the mediums worst weapon at this point. Small clip, incredibly inconsistent ranged damage, and you can't take any fights in 5m or closer you need to retreat

Dual blades are genuinely stronger than cl40 at this point.

dim rivet
#

Shockwave nerf 👎

stone grotto
#

CHat am i dumb or is the cns sponser gone?

west hornet
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Fix the cheater problem. The game has lost so much potential. It’s so frustrating to play with one team having 3x-4x kills and damage. All they need to do is post the stats of accuracy or shots hit. Some of the lobbies I’m in it’s 90 percent. I don’t believe these are legit.

gritty jetty
hybrid hearth
#

Damn, whole bunch of haters here huh?

Uhhh I think the game is pretty damn fun. Been playing since s3 almost religiously. I’ve only come across 2-3 cheaters in my time.
Regarding the new World Tour Test with the health bars closer together, I’m actually pretty against this. I’d prefer if you kept it normally. People will complain no matter what. The balancing of the game is pretty damn good. The only weapons that aren’t performing well are the clearly joke weapons that were never intended to be high level weapons (Sword, Dagger, Dual) Honestly just keep it the way it is now, there’s no need for any HUGE update to shake things up. People will complain about anything.
Like some moron was complaining about moving platforms😭 It’s been in the game since forever. Just say yer bad at the game lol.

Anywho, uhhh keep it up Embark. You’re actually doing a wonderful job.

plain vigil
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Why did y'all nerf shockwave or the shockwave jumpad tech, it's what made the shockwave tech so much fun 😭

small shadow
civic flax
weary pine
# gritty jetty ive had 4 confirmed reports in over 1,200 hours and i rage report people every g...

Really? I have 1100h inround time and i got atleast 50 confirmed reports the last seasons. Ive found that there is alot of soft cheating (recoil scripts etc) and less hard cheats in the later seasons.

Point Break has seen more cheaters as of late as it has no death cam while modes like Cashout/Worldtour has alot less. Havent played alot of ranked of late but i can imagine that diamond+ is where most of them live.

solar garnet
#

Increase dagger backstab width and range

waxen abyss
#

Embark, i have 3 wishes:

  1. Revert shockwave verticality nerf, literally no one complained about it.

  2. Revert all demat nerfs and just give it 2 charges, or at least remove that god awful delay between switching to it and the moment you can actually use it, because it's nearly unusable in CQC. Also it still has a bug where it consumes 2 charges instead of 1 within a single interaction.

  3. Add detailed weapon stats and match history. Those bars on weapon stats really feel rudimentary. Why do i need to know headshot multiplier of the weapon if i don't see its damage in numbers in the first place. Also killcount and hours played for every weapon, spec and gadget would be neat too.
    I wish you well Mr. Embark

lime sky
#

Revert shockwave yes

gritty tangle
#

Bring back head2head quick cash is a fucking monkey circus and overwhelming it has not a fair gameplay its a fucking bullshit delete quick cash bring back head2head I m exhausted of third parties and fast respawns

daring remnant
tawny oak
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fix the fucking servers, how do you release 10.3.1 and fuck the game up? crossplay servers NEED maintenance and fixing, no reason consoles should have damage reduction and damage buff with perfect registration. more console players in the lobby more of pc issues. PLEASE DO SERVER FUCKING MAINTENANCE

daring ingot
#

DAY 27 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

dull summit
#

Why oh why can you not change sights in practice mode????

novel folio
#

evertime i load into a game or the next round of a tournament it crashes, and it's the same crashed i've i had 1.5-2 years ago

maiden anchor
#

First ranked match of the day:
Two Lights, one of them with a dagger. It's complicated.

tepid laurel
#

Why is quick cash so sweaty, everyone’s destroying my team and I


dense ocean
#

day 54 asking for a free moolah peluche

deep wigeon
#

Supposedly, the "Medium" season has it's meta shifted to HLL lmao
just revert the shockwave nerf Embark, and reduce demat to 15 - 12 second cooldown, and get rid of the delay while at it

honest wing
solemn fulcrum
#

Just a proposal. Remove or significantly weaken ADS aim assist on controllers and buff high speed rotational aim assist (eg. Against Dash).

trim cliff
#

Please make ranked bearable like why do I lose 2k in 10 minutes and gain 400 in 40 minutes it feels terrible tbh. Also fix greifing it's not healthy

restive trench
#

Heres to hoping the team at finals sees my message and they add a chainsaw theres so much money to b made with it lol

jolly dagger
#

PLEASEEEEE ADD SIZE 60 HATS TO MERCH STORE
BTW LIGHT CANT GET -10% MOVEMENT IT SUCKS ASS NOW DO -5%
HEAVY FEELS MUCH NICER YO PLAY
ADD MORE INGAME ITEMS TO MERCH STORE I LOVE WHAT YALL DID WITH THOSE CNS SAND CLOTHES
BIGGER HATS IN MERCH STORE PLEASE

young hatch
#

Fix your matchmaking for QC.

No one logs on and goes “I feel like playing a few quick games solo queue QC against multiple pre made 3 stacks”

They log on to solo queue because they may not have time to get a pre made going, they’re only on for a few games etc. it’s supposed to be the causal mode, the mode that new players play.

No new player is keeping this game installed longer than 5 games if all they get solo queue is pre made 3 stacks.

Fix your EOMM, good solo players should not be punished by playing only high level, high hour 3 stacks.

Tonight 2/3 games were already games in progress being lost, all against pre made teams.

Edit 3/5 games, all matches in progress. Fix your matchmaking.

toxic sedge
pseudo warren
#

Its medival season why not introduce 20v20 melee only game mode - last team standing winning - 5 rounds

Just let 40 people clash with melee weapons till the last one standing.

If not 40

10v10 Can work.

surreal sedge
#

Revert the patch, use all the budget spent on the work programming this patch and more to promote & market the game, a single YouTube ad popping in my feed every now and then would be a good reminder y’all still care about spreading the word of one of the greatest FPS games to ever release.

Treat this game like the divinity it is and market it please, y’all shared you sold 14million copies of ARC Raiders so put some of that back into your better game.

There’s never been more of an opportunity to do this with how addicted everyone is to their phones & the virality clipfarming can produce. Sophisticate a budget for it so we can see 100k steam charts again one day🙏

also, you shouldn’t be able to vault while you’re using mesh shield as heavy, it doesn’t even make sense, no way these fat lards are pulling themselves up rocks and windows with one hand.

elder gyro
#

I would love for the game to not allow ADS until you’re fully reloaded your gun (my opinion, I always die because of it, please The Finals people accept my need and opinion)

Also matchmaking is kinda weird because on my first ranked game since s3 or s4 I got put against 16/14k (I think I was bronze in the far away and forgotten season if anything)

astral snow
#

what's the logic behind the fact I'm getting seeded 2nd or 3rd against full gold teams while no one on my team is higher than silver 1?

cerulean echo
#

I want whatever the person who designed the Sword Dash light combo was having. SERIOUSLY TERRIBLE

uneven nexus
hybrid hearth
maiden jolt
#

Remove the delay of the demat when pulling it out because it has made me die when i'm trying to get away from the enemy

faint saddle
junior oasis
dark niche
hollow shuttle
#

ranked feedback: so something like this actually really fucking sucks

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grand hare
#

an just 1 african server

floral venture
topaz jasper
cedar cave
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the issue with people not using cloak is that it doesnt give you any advantage outside of losing one gadget slot, the vanish bomb gives you basically identical benefits of cloak while still maintaining good movement

mellow narwhal
#

PLS make cashout 2 rounds instead of 3 like the chinese version trust the game will feel miles better

fierce patio
#

Remove demat delay it’s slow blah blah blah u get it

mild violet
#

Revert shockwave pls

mild gull
#

How to correctly balance the 93R

The recent 93R changes did nothing but make it an overpowered light deleter while having basically no effect on the classes it struggles against, which are medium and heavy. Hence, Embark needs to look at other ways to balance it rather than altering the damage.
This can be done by making the burst delay shorter, which will make it more viable against ALL classes while not making it overpowered versus lights.

Proposed 93R changes:
Damage: 24** (revert from 25 back to 24)**
Burst delay: 0,275s > 0,23s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,54s -> ** 0,72s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.22s -> 1,14s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.68s -> 1,56s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.40s -> 0,42s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,72s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.22s -> 1,08s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, compared to the 93R's 21, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R (except light). This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which is the product of an oversimplified buff to damage.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

upper leaf
#

add a sans skin ( dont mess this up )

foggy orbit
#

I think if you rebalance the weapon damages across the board then the health change is going to be really beneficial. I can imagine it being a lot easier to balance items with less of a health disparity between the builds, but I don't want lights to be more tanky and heavies to be less tanky as a result of the health changes. TTK's across all the weapons thus far should remain the same with or without the health changes. However, I hard disagree with the movement speed changes, this takes away the identity between the archetypes.

But I love that we are doing such drastic experimental changes, a great step in the right direction for transparency and player feedback.

round isle
lost python
#

Embark please fix gyro auto calibration

hexed scarab
#

After the update, the cash stopped being added to Steam for achievement Deep Pockets

past granite
lime sky
#

Fix Shockwave;-;

hard arrow
sterile plank
#

Fix Shockwave/revert it to before the update that ruined it :c

Fun addition for Data Reshaper would be if the right click also reshape things, but for canisters it reverts the canister rotation

tribal steeple
#

The Asian server turned out to be an excellent testing ground for cheats battle 👍

trail terrace
#

just remove solo q at this point man

spring bluff
#

Bring back h2h

daring ingot
#

DAY 28 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

rigid shale
#

phone number verification đŸ“±

mild basalt
#

WHY THE FUCK ARE NEW PLAYERS PAIRED AGAINST RUBY/DIAMOND PLAYERS IN CASUALS

iron steeple
#

Nerf heavys they have way too much health, Or at least buff light guns their awful against heavys. Ik u devs are heavy mains.

rotund pine
#

I’ll add to this and ask that you make it so the window for stun is only .5 or make it so the gooing only happens to the person using it. I dislike stun a lot but self goo was a very useful tactic for keeping myself alive with a spec that takes so much time to set up sustain for the player. If you decrease the time to set up cover that works on most sides for the player no one would care about or need a stun because they’d always have reliable cover.

sonic spoke
true karma
somber trail
#

i hate aim assist so much its ridiculous

chrome hamlet
#

Add the option to enable push-to-talk with controllers on PC. I find it frustrating to keep my mic open, and it would be very useful to use the dpad to enable push-to-talk or toggle the mic.

wild galleon
#

Still would love the ability to bind the A button on Xbox to something other than jump (like ping) and being able to coin. Sadly I must leave it unbound until that bug is fixed 😭

Will the real bumper jumpers please stand up? đŸŽ¶

golden badger
#

Why THE CHINELS has a ping indicator and THE FINALS don't ????

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lunar vault
#

Sniper still way too strong

cloud oak
#

This is partly what is wrong with you game, I so rarely ever see stacks matching stacks its pretty much always stack one side (2 to 5) and all solo q on the other.... when the stacks include diamonds and rubies on comms its just a joke mismatch

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sonic crater
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I've never come across a game like this that spends more time kicking me from the server than letting me enjoy playing it. I've spent hours watching useless videos on to fix this error and the other error - not one has worked. And enough Reddit to write a book on the topic. Uninstall. Reinstall. New Windows installs. NVidia drivers. BIOS upgrades. It's a fantastic game. But at this rate SIMS is giving me more exciting game time.

pseudo warren
# hollow shuttle ranked feedback: so something like this actually really fucking sucks

You lost only 147 and could won like 1400... What sucks? There are golds too... 3 teams are your RS...

Yes the Ruby team is not good to face against but they are just humans as well, you Can beat them... And the finals ranked is so bad you dont need skill to get to the next round... You just need luck...

Which brings the topic:

EMBARK MAKE RANKED 3V3
And also fix the false bans... Unban peoples account and start a new, you messed up

minor star
#

Serious feedback on Sword

I played Sword for about 1000h (hit rank 90 with it before) and a few things get lost in the heated "Sword is overpowered/unplayable" discussion.

First of all both sides need to be understood where they are coming from.

Yes in a casual lobby where people don't hit the important shots a Sword that is just running around and left clicking people to death seems absurd, overpowered and has little to do with skill expression.

The Problem is as soon as you cross the line of people investing enough time to hit even just a moderate amount of their shots left clicks become less and less viable and you have to learn combos and movement tricks to minimize the damage you take while maximizing the damage output. That's where the sword lunge comes in. Lunging is the part where skill expression shows with movement, spacial awareness and positioning. With reducing the damage AND introducing a rotation clamp the lunge becomes really clunky to use and less effective than the simpler M1 spamm.

So what can Embark do to fix the issue for both sides ? Put the focus of the weapon back on the lunge to reduce frustrating scenarios.

Second Problem, lunging through an entire team and dealing massive damage with very little counterplay should not be a thing. It is very frustrating to play against and extremely situational. It should be like other melee weapons. Left clicking less damage but can multihit and the "special attack" single target but is special in some way. Hammer has a single target high damage and destruction. Sword should have single target damage on the lunge but high mobility.

The rotational clamp itself got introduced to get rid of people 360° rotating through an entire team for a huge hurtbox and is without multihits therefore redundant. The server sided calculation of it has been bugged ever since it got introduced but has never been adressed. In the current season flicking the lunge will still yank back your entire camera and make accurate aiming impossible.

I intentionally didn't talk about hit registration because it haunts the game as a whole and has only gotten worse in the beginning of season 10 but of course it increases the frustration for alot of people. Hit detection, desyncs and server performance in general should be a heavy focus for you because it is very frustrating and from experience playing with alot of different people a big reason people ragequit or in general leave the game. Like all other bugs it should not be a reason to increase/decrease the weapons power and should rather be fixed.

Changes

M1 Damage 88 -> 74 (one more left click for each class)

Lunge Multihits -> removed
Lunge Damage 120 -> 140 (without multihits and less left click damage you need the combo breakpoint of 136 to have a fighting chance)
Lunge rotational clamp -> removed

Other Feedback

Ranked needs one less round. The current playerbase can't sustain proper matchmaking with 24 player lobbies. Cutting it in half with 12 player lobbies and 2 rounds for everyone so even the "losing teams" play for 3rd place would not only help with players being on similar skill levels but also relieve frustration for the casual playerbase from losing rs in 15 mins but gaining the same amount in 45 mins.

Small QOL Updates You have so many good features that would be little work for you but would impact the community positively and fill the content breaks. One example would be releasing the collected data about weapons etc. as an api just like for example "op.gg" or "lolalytics" from League of Legends. Collab with the talented people in your community that already built sites like the leaderboard/bans/rename tracker. Other ones would be changing the weapon stats to numbers instead of a vague bar so it's more readable, adding assists to the profile or having a simple match history that locally saves the stats of the last 10 games or so.

uncut drum
#

Another day to ask nicely for Head2Head back

steel bough
#

GLITCH GRENADE OFF LIGHT AND ON MEDIUM!

signal temple
#

I’m not sure anyone will read this, but I think the perspective of someone who bounced off the game matters more than just hearing from people who already like everything.

I have around 300 hours in The Finals and I’ve been playing since the early closed tests — back when everyone was bald 🙂 I stopped for many of the same reasons that still exist today.

I recently came back and was disappointed to see that, aside from some balance and destruction changes, the core issues are still there.

The main problem is that the game rewards moments instead of consistency. You can control a cashout most of the round and still lose everything because the last one is worth the most and takes the least time. This pushes last-second steals instead of rewarding good play.

The format feels confusing. You play two parallel matches, and you’re compared to players you may never interact with.

Spawn logic removes agency — you can’t choose where to respawn and often end up in bad situations.

Ranked feels unfair and unclear. You can be labeled “best in the lobby” and get punished more for a loss, even against stronger teams. It doesn’t handle team imbalance well.

High TTK + 3-player teams makes everything dependent on teammates. If someone leaves or the team isn’t coordinated, the match becomes nearly unplayable, and compensation is minimal.

There’s also too much downtime — after wipes or near the end, you’re often just waiting with nothing meaningful to do.

The 3v3 finals feel like an anti-climax with slow wipe cycles. A 5-team format fighting to avoid elimination could add more depth and allow for a better 3-team final.

The game has great destruction and gunplay, but right now it feels more chaotic than tactical, and more frustrating than rewarding. It’s disappointing not to see more experimentation given its potential.

At least the game seems to be doing well commercially — you can see expensive skins and deluxe passes in every lobby.

quick rampart
#

plz don’t implement the health changes the wt mode is unplayable for non lights

quasi ferry
#

ADD A LATENCY INDICATOR!!!!

last skiff
#

I suggest adjusting the heavy spear so that the character can stop moving during the right-click heavy attack phase. Otherwise, just endlessly dancing around like an idiot is a guaranteed way to get killed. Either buff this weapon or remove it altogether.

formal coral
wide vortex
bold cedar
old goblet
#

The ‘Deep Pockets’ trophy is broken on Steam , I earned more than 1 million and it didn’t count anything.

supple hemlock
#

is the shockwave nerf a mistak?

slow void
#

I see potatoes launcher everywhere ...

molten fog
eager gyro
#
  • Shockwave 10.3.0 nerf

Previously benefited from high verticality; it was heavily nerfed. Pad–Shockwave tech doesn't make sense anymore. It is currently better to use the pad normally than using shockwave with it.

  • Bring back Head 2 Head

With the removal of Arena Debut, this was expected to return. There was no clarification on why you removed this mode ever.

  • Friend List

Completely bugged. Shows friends as online, playing, or queueing when they are not. Issue introduced this season.

  • Chat Censoring

Bugged since release. Some insults pass through while common words are censored inconsistently. This is frustrating.
PLEASE ADD A TOGGLE TO DISABLE THIS FEATURE.

sonic arrow
fading otter
#

I cant post the video but am willing to send it to the devs i just got locked under a map got kicked for inactivity, tried a hard restart

summer elk
#

Make every gun fire universally while jumping on bounce-pads and being in the air. This is just another thing to cause problems with balance and effectiveness on every gun.

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hearty bough
hearty sentinel
#

a little spooky going into heavy esports events where server performance is in a state that you can confidently shoot where someone was a full second after they have moved and get hit markers

wide creek
# toxic sedge 1. Why is your only goal insulting everyone? I would *love* to know your rank. 2...

  1. Literally wasn't insulting anyone but Riyn at first, cuz saying that each dash is 50 hp is incredibly stupid and the fact that they keep copy pasting it into this channel could actually make them nerf dash MORE which would destroy the class. I also said my rank already, diamond every season, working my way back there so far this season (school).

  2. 700+ hours in light, probably 50 or so in medium and the rest in heavy. I don't know exactly, something like that. Use SHAK, Lewis, Akimbo and sledge on occasion.

  3. Yes exactly, I'm not asking for insane changes, just little buffs. Most of the reason people complain about dash is cuz every light uses it, because we HAVE to, especially in higher ELO. It's also just the go-to light spec, it fits the class perfectly.

The rest of that text was after he insulted me, so please don't characterize my feedback as being on insulting. He actually deleted his comment I just realized, wow nice one.

surreal sedge
#

Add an immediate start to health regen after a team wipe for the team who confirms the last kill, dealing with a 2nd team/third party is fine but it would be great to have at least a bit more of a fighting chance getting jumped by another team

restive warren
solar sail
shut lava
#

FIX YOUR PNW SERVERRRSSSSS

cursive urchin
#

Would be good to see the anti cheat look at system security settings like Secure Boot, IOMMU/VT-d, etc being disabled, as these are often linked to DMA setups.

Anti cheats like FACEIT Anti-Cheat and Vanguard already factor in overall system security and low level behaviour as part of detection. Not saying ban off one setting, but it should count towards spotting suspicious environments.

Feels like a gap at the moment that could be tightened up to help keep things fair.

keen lily
toxic valve
#

how much longer is it gonna take before barricade placement is fixed again?

still vortex
#

does anyway experience a bug in bernal hanging structure where everything become chromium ? this has being going on since the beginning of season 10

tame tinsel
#

"Power Shift" is alot of fun, good mode imho
kinda like king of the hill and tug of war had a strange baby LOL

reef jungle
#

Bring back terminal attack for custom games

safe ravine
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This game needs to die, seriously. The senseless grind in ranked, just going against rubys and smurfs/cheaters feels pointless. (U said u fix that for S10, and its just S9 2.0 all over again, same problems - no solutions)
The shadow nerf of a lot of gadgets last patch (incl: aps, data resh, shockwave...), to try to rework the game into making all classes similar.
The low player count.
Are u anti-fun Embark?

Everything is against this game, I've been a big time TF player since S1, I love this game, but when Embark can't get respawns right on a map that's been here for 6 seasons. It's just criminal.

Context - the first fight for the first vault happened, and pink gets a considerable position advantage cuz they got wiped first?????????? So dying first and playing bad is meta now? Wtf is this Embark, ur game is not rewarding at all for doing well in ranked, when ts happens
And ofc, u can stomp the lobby and be second, but still u will get griefed cuz rubys are dominating, and they basically just decide the outcome of the game, So really I ask you, whats the point of playing this shit game? Give us more casual stuffs then!!!! But even casual scene is dry af, so gg embark I guess
Also: I'm enjoying getting daily messages that my reports have been banning those stupid smurfs (with no RS refund btw) 🙂 but I dont work for you Embark, FIX YOUR OWN GAME

dense parrot
#

please fix shockwave, stop removing any fun movement from the game, what is the point of that?

plush fjord
#

Yall saw that goo gun was overtuned, so u decided to nerf it to the ground, and now goo gun meelee gameplay is dead. every single time theres a broken weapon, yall nerf it to rock bottom, and every time theres a busted weapon, u buff it till its broken af.

clever crescent
#

day 15 of asking for a paris map till i get a baguette sword skin, a paris map, or both

narrow fjord
#

m11 needs nerf asap

dark niche
swift rapids
#

Skill11 needs to be toned down to other weapon's level

stray temple
#

hard agree, m11 needs either a mag or damage nerf

ember obsidian
#

m11 is only good on aim assist controller, that's why you think it melts, otherwise it's weaker than v9s but not everyone knows how to play it

ocean eagle
#

TDM team made up of almost all level 100 got stomped by level 15 or less. The smurf problem is making me consider quitting and you guys obviously don't car3

floral venture
# dark niche m11 is & has always been balanced imo, what needs to happen is other weapons nee...

Take a second and step back "the m11 has always been balanced, other weapons need to be buffed" if other weapons need to be balanced around it its over tuned

(Edit) I see your point and those weapons definitely need a pick up, however it is also important to consider the sheer effectiveness of weapons in mid to low skill lobbys, I personally don't believe that weapons should be balanced around the top 1-5% of players. However I don't think M11 should be gutted, perhaps reducing its effectiveness with aim assist or making it more difficult to control rewarding more skilled players

plucky estuary
#

I honestly think h infuser should have just been a medium gadget. They're supposed to be the support class, but if you want to heal your team, you have to give up your specialization, meanwhile the flanker class can do the same with just one gadget.

maiden lichen
#

Fix the ranked matchmaking pls

spark fog
#

is this arc raiders?

thorn gulch
# maiden lichen Fix the ranked matchmaking pls

this a 100 times, embark made matchmaking for ranked a absolute joke.

  • People actively try to downrank now
  • People you are matched with are not in the rank that they are in (Silver players that have dia badges, ruby smurfs that activly try to be barely gold)
  • When matched with duo, they are most likely 1 good guy and one person who should not be in that lobby
  • Smurfs and Cheater
elder wyvern
# floral venture Take a second and step back "the m11 has always been balanced, other weapons nee...

M11, V9S, ARN, and LH1 are all equally good in their ideal scenarios. Light has the most variety in meta picks. Heavy on the other hand only has 2 viable weapons at high elo; SA1216 and ShAK-50. It's also important to know that SA1216 has been meta for the majority of this games life. Even Medium has at least 4 'meta' weapons. (FCAR, Chimera, Revolver, and Repeater)

The real issues are the XP-54, M60, and Famas being underpowered compared to other picks.

lime sky
wet verge
#

How many more seasons for Thermal Vision to come back!!? Seriously! There’s nothing to counter these Invis lights. They truly be pussymaxing

vestal prairie
#

Rather have the terminal attack ranked season than this season's honestly

sour wigeon
#

Nerf swords buff guns PLEASE FOR ISREALS SAKE

hard arrow
#

#1494593123123335260

Honestly I’d be ok with a rotating LTM queue with a bunch of the limited modes including power shift instead of power shift (seriously does anyone play that game mode? /gen) with head2head in that queue, it could switch out once a week like overwatch or once every couple hours like apex legends or ARC RAIDERS

west skiff
#

BRING BACK H2H
also fix shockwave

warped meteor
#

Bring back Head 2 Head

plucky sail
#

yo am i the only one who thinks riot shield needs a rework

normal crest
#

The new health
/speed changes are great there's more teemplay and melee is better for heavy

languid nimbus
#

CHANGE RANK MATCHMAKING TOMORROW!!! Two level separation for party and teams. Theres no shot I should be playing Diamond 1 or Ruby payers as a Gold 1.

sharp wind
#

can I get a minigun inspect where I just start bicep curling it. I beg

old matrix
#

Re-upping some suggestions for ranked mode changes:

  • Make tournament size adaptive to the amount and quality of players online (anywhere from going straight to a 2 team Final Round if it's difficult to find fair matchups, all the way up to old-school 16-team tournaments when there is an abundance of similarly ranked players).
  • Continue to provide seedings at the start of the tournament (which was an essential feature when you added it), but compute and reveal RS changes only at the end of the tournament, so that you can give credit for Cashout Round placings, to encourage people to play for 1st place in every round.
    Separately, I feel bad for the people struggling with performance, but the game has been buttery smooth for me recently. Thank you! I don't know what you did, but I hope it's something you can maintain.
hollow shuttle
copper mulch
#

HERE TO PUSH MY AGENDA AGAIN
I'm back, and with some minor tweaks.

GIVE SOME WEAPONS A QUICK KICK THAT REPLACES QM.

This is the most elegant solution to melee balance I have decided on after significant consideration. Allow me to explain what I envision it doing, and why;

  • Kick off of walls hard enough to allow even heavies to perform movement tech. This would directly boost the options they have in getting to enemy positions, and getting out of bad positions. Ideally, melee players will be able to slide across walls such as in Deadlock and quick melee would automatically push away from the wall.
  • Push enemies away and off ledges. Currently, melee players just can't deal with platforms on some maps as you're most often automatically out of position by being on one. Additionally, this would give all melee players more options against Sword players, due to how they can easily outspace them in 1v1s by lunging through them repeatedly. This is coming from a Sword player.
  • Class dependent features: bigger hitbox depending on class, leaving light only slightly higher since the balance of lunge+QM oneshot combos against lights is important; shorter and longer endlag causing Lights to be able to climb some vertical walls while Heavies have to walljump like mario; knockback from kicks, which would be massive for Heavies and almost none on Light; and finally damage, which would be the same for Lights and highest for heavies.
  • It should interrupt certain abilities and actions, such as winching, grappling, lunging, spear spinning, holding objects, reviving, taking cashout, etcetra. NOT reloading, to be clear. The first is to give Dagger and Sword players a chance against a sledgehammer/winch player, as a competent sledgehammer user against an equally skilled sword player will usually get the one shot in 80% of cases, due to how generous the sweeping angle is, similarly to lunges.
glass sandal
#

can you Make a gun that say I love you because I love you and I love everyone and I love the Finals

mossy fiber
#

Good morning, loved the recent Famas and 93R buffs, but i do have some suggestions:

  • We should revert the Shockwave nerf and return the jump pad interaction;
  • Demat was shadow nerfed (pullout time dramatically increased);
  • CL-40 was shadow nerfed (reduced fire rate);
  • Model 1887 fire rate has always been less than the listed 77 rpm (currently about 72);
  • BFR Titan fire rate is still lower that stated (btw that gun needs some buffs too);
  • The Goo Gun nerf should NOT return, instead you could simply give players goo-stun immunity after 2-3 blobs to retain heavy's melee viability;
  • Melee weapons are still horrible but i suppose you're leaving that for Season 11;
  • Smokes still have a ridiculously long cooldown despite you advertising them on youtube shorts???;
  • M11 on Light is extremely overpowered but must retain it's DPS, simply making the reload longer would punish people who miss 2 mags but kill you anyway;
  • Dagger is extremely janky and relies on broken back hitboxes, fixing those while giving it a movement ability would be fun;
  • Pyro Grenade could use a fire radius increase to improve viability;
  • Pike 5.56 is still horrible, could use a fire rate and mag buff;
  • Breach Drill sucks, it could use a C4-like remote activation;
    Thank you for reading my tangent.
vital basin
#

Nerfing the goo gun of all things will make it even more niche and situational than it already is. Just don’t do it.

rugged verge
versed cloud
#

Buff MGL32 and Barricade both are completely inconsistent and need love. Also nobody needs 2 minutes of LOW GRAVITY. 60 seconds is more than enough guys.

young hatch
#

Fix your EOMM matchmaking. It’s horrible for good players who solo queue.

Wait times become blown out, I get faster games as a sweaty three stack than I do solo queue.

The games are always unbalanced and I always lose.

I just tried Point Break. Multiple enemies over level 150 who are duo stacked.

My team had one duo, and significantly lower levels, lower kills, lower wins.

It took 2 minutes as per estimated time for my first game of the day, first game is always a loss, so it’s expected.

Now I’m 12 minutes waiting when expected time is 2 minutes. During a busier time of day as well.

NA servers queueing for point break. Second time in a row waiting over 10 minutes. Looks like I’ll hit over 20mins or quit before I get a game.

pale obsidian
#

Would be nice if the game also tracked teammates healed for profile stats. As someone who primarily focuses on support their team via healing, would be nice to show off as their contributions and career stat.

prisma dagger
#

Fix shadow nerf to shockwave?

lean sundial
#

NIER#8287 FULL RAGE CHEATER REPORTED A MILLION TIMES AND EMBARK DOESN'T BAN, ALLOWS KERNEL CHEATS AND PROTECT CHEATERS!

full sierra
#

nerf invis badly

sacred siren
#

when bow nerf? shit is so unb elievely fucking broken

craggy basin
wide summit
#

nerf the 93r now

winter sparrow
#

F I X A N T I C H E A T ! ! ! ! ! ! !

i run into 10-20 cheaters daily now, it’s insane
 Embark get your shi together

frosty sphinx
#

HOLY SHIT FIX THE GOD DAMN 3RD PARTYING AND SPAWN LOGIC IM LEGITIMATELY CONVINCED SHOVING RAZOR BLADES UP MY ASSHOLE WOULD BE MORE PLEASUABLE THAN PLAYING EARLY SEASON RANKED THIS IS A FUCKING SHIT SHOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

gritty jetty
#

nerf heal beam or prevent a team from having more than 1 heal beam

it should never be possible to lose rs in third and final round should be 500rs minimum

high stag
#

Hey Embark, fix this

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sudden spire
rancid obsidian
#

When Head to Head is back?!

The only real mode Head to Head besides TDM got removed and I ask why?
This was the only mode which was less luck and chaos based because only 3v3 and no other teams coming in and ruin the party. This is such a shame. We played it like 90% of the time if we were only 3 players.

And btw why you still can't play Point Break with 8 players in a lobby? It doesn't make sense. So we are still stuck to 3 players for cashout or 5 players with mostly trash modes besides TDM.

Embark, just why removing Head to Head? Don't remove good stuff to push worse modes...

I'm so disappointed of Embark. With removing Head to Head they showed exactly how they don't understand anything. Focus on performance, gunplay, aim. Not on trash cheap ability stuff.

tawny oak
#

make starlight hollow its own playlist/mode

Fix servers, tons of weapons not dealing proper damage or even registering at all.

ADD A FUCKING SERVER FEEDBACK/REPORT TO THE FUCKING GAME, After a game is done let us give the server a star rating system and feedback on it, i know it wont help you since you guys dont give a fuckin shit about the servers anyway, so many horrible servers running in this game, you guys NEED to remove or do server maintenance

echo radish
#

Make rank 4v4

limber prairie
south walrus
#

Hi, is anyone else experiencing huge freezes on every game? The Finals is the only game where this is happening to me

zinc wolf
#

Add an AK-47 to medium

sonic arrow
oblique notch
woven grove
#

Remove the m11 from the game, the light class already has a more than fantastic smg that nobody uses because the other option is a high speed high damage high accuracy minigun that reloads near instantly. You guys were looking at how to get the xp54 more used, make it the only light smg

cerulean parcel
#

Genuinely enjoying the health and move speed changes being tested. I’ve put a few rounds in on all 3 classes. Teams have felt tighter. I didn’t miss what was taken and enjoyed what was given on both light and heavy. And medium didn’t seem affected negatively for it.

cerulean echo
#

Frieren collab.

hallow siren
#

The shockwave fix for when you get hit by two shockwaves at once, has also made it incredibly inconsistent to shockwave jump on your own. PLEASE revert this. It's not like people were getting hit by multiple shockwaves at once that often anyway

daring remnant
#

dont ever change health values of the builds, you hear me. dont alter the fundamental pivot point of the game. you change that, its not even the same game anymore, it becomes more like every other game. and if the finals didnt have the unique appeal of light, medium, and heavy discrepancies over generic fps games. why would anyone play it over the big AAA titles with bigger budgets and better ping. I love this game, please listen to reason.

proper horizon
#

I literally joined this server just to say that the health and speed changes are literally the worst thing this game has ever had done to it. Medium is actually unplayable right now unless you're spamming CL40. The game balance existed and worked and even just 25 health to light upends that entire balance. Weapons like Repeater become weapons that reward skill to useless paperweights that serve no purpose in the sandbox as the breakpoints for Light and Medium become nearly identical minus hitting a headshot on Light followed by a bodyshot. So the question remains, why run Medium at all? Gadgets, that's it. Medium is a gadget slave. Lights increased health pool makes them play closer to Medium now but with more movement gadgets, and the Heavy speed increase has made weapons like Sledge and Flamethrower dominate any close-medium (if they know what they're doing) range engagements. And the minor health decrease does yes change some breakpoints but their health pool is still large enough to tank enough rounds to get their kills before they die. Pike has been absolutely decimated (again) by the health changes and the only real viable options now are automatics and high DPS weapons, precision weapons like LH1, SR, Repeater, Pike, BFR have just been neutured with the changes and each will need substantial damage increases to make viable which could also just be solved by, get this, not going through with the health change in the first place.

blazing meteor
#

the amount of people hacking with xim and cronos zen in the usa evening time is insane. i saw one lobby where 2 whole teams in cashout were all using these hacks. there are also a ton of people using map hack and mele weapons, ill hide up some where on a goo wall and people will know im there when they can't at all 100% can not know, but they will poke me up there before i know they are even looking. they will legit poke me on sight with other grenades and what not. the cheating is so bad its not playable in usa evening time at all. spawn get aimboted, repeat.

stone thorn
#

"Hear me out!" New guns for the finals

-MPX on light @800 rpm, 35 round mag, 13-15 damage to the body, 20-24 to the head.

-HK416 on medium @700 rpm, 30 round mag, 18-19 damage to the body, 25-28 to the head,
or
-MK47 Mutant @650 rpm in semi auto or burst
(preferably 2 round burst with a negligible, optimized delay designed to allow for rapid, consecutive bursts, essentially functioning as a "double-tap" mechanism, basically click fast = full auto), 30 round mag, 21.5 damage to the body 32 to the head.

  • M249 on heavy @700 rpm, 100 round mag, 18-19 damage to the body, 25-28 to the head.

Let me know what y'all think.

spare topaz
#

The amount of crashes is insane

sacred compass
wide creek
#

The Chimera is too strong. Its also literally just a better pike and better LH1. Get some new fucking ideas jesus.\

junior cloud
#

can we please get a counter play to invis

wraith gale
#

Please take some time to work on banning legitimate cheaters and not organic players next season. It will help both The Finals and ARC. ARC is already losing TTV viewership bc y'all are taking too long to clean up your games.

This is also part of my wishlist

stoic mural
#

Instead of reducing the movement gap with these shitty half buff half nerfs to light and heavy what if we just didnt change health at all and flat doubled the sprint speed of all classes keeping the same movement gap but still fixing the frustration around heavy being so slow without actually needing to nerf anyone or change the balance of like every weapon and gadget

civic flax
brittle mortar
#

return the combo of the vaiiya procedure facewear and the bunny bash ears headwear
i fail to see the necessity in not allowing them to be combined when they clip less than some actual outfits

jolly dagger
#

When those bigger merch hats dropping embark im waiting

shut lava
#

FIX YOUR PACIFIC NORTHWEST SERVERS

silent musk
#

It would be nice for the lady unyielding set to have a version of the upper body cosmetic with no hood đŸ™‚â€â†•ïž

torpid quarry
#

Allowing a full team of 8 to carry grenade launchers with infinite ammo is a crazy design choice

serene quail
#

I would like to be able to queue for a specific map, or at least have a priority set on a specific map. With the release of Starlight Hollow I now fully know the layout of that map because I could queue it specifically. All the other maps are still very difficult for me to know what is where.

Also, playing quick modes should give the same amount of World Tour points. I dont want to be stuck playing the core mode all the time to get those points. The quick modes give way less. Maybe a way to track a double or triple consecutive win for 14 or 25 World Tour points just like in cashout mode.

velvet burrow
#

maybe the possibility to use neutralizer on teammates to avoid damage ?

acoustic wadi
#

nobody gives a fuck about your grand major embark. fix your fucking matchmaking

keen lily
#

fix the dogshit matchmaking, why do i have to play ruby stacks in gold and get -300 for it lol

storm veldt
#

BRING BACK HEAD2HEAD

and also some more bucket hats, like a full black one would be sick

naive anvil
#

Make it so if u bought a battlepass the season it came out u can finish the bonus page

jaunty tulip
#

#Unban ChickenPhobia

foggy orbit
royal fractal
# foggy orbit Awareness

Sometimes the sound dont work. Steps n glitch sound.
Also in certain shader quality settings u cant see them at all

hearty dagger
#

BRING BACK THE SECOND FRAG GRENADE

young hatch
#

FIX YOUR EOMM MATCHMAKING.

It’s horrible for solo queue players.

It’s blatant.

I win one game, the next game is a match in progress with pre mades on enemy teams and the game is being lost.

One win, should not auto slot me in your EOMM system and put me straight into losing games during peak time.

EDIT:

@honest wing are you the kid that thinks there’s no SBMM in The Finals? Stay in school.

normal cosmos
#

Revert shockwave to its original state! It was perfect 😭

honest wing
viral fjord
#

Where do I apply to recruit devs who can add more spammable animations for light class ?

knotty smelt
#

Nice game 👍 no bugs, no internet lag, no long que, no cheaters. good game

modern gale
#

man games should be dodged if a player doesnt connect.. ranked game going 2

safe ravine
meager quiver
#

This might be overly brief from me, but I'd really want a few things added/brought back to the game

auto balancing
select multiple game modes to queue for
bank it as a permanent mode

Some might disagree, but I truly believe these would benefit the game's longevity and attractivity

fluid stump
gilded sparrow
#

Amethyst skins for excess season pass tokens and Opal skins for excess VRS.TFcoin

limber prairie
#

My only gripe with this game’s progression is how absurdly long it takes to get show tokens for legacy passes, with contracts not giving any boost to their gains it feels infinitely slower than the active pass to progress and makes me not want to get more than one or two legacy passes because I won’t ever play enough to progress more than that. I’ve nearly finished the base pages for the current pass and have finished less than a third of one legacy pass in that time for comparison

dense ocean
#

day 55 asking for a free moolah peluche

severe forge
#

just do something with smurfs

mild ocean
#

wtf happened to shockwave why is it so shit now, it just barely launches

timber nova
#

Can you guys buff the ks-23? It sucks over all and is a net negative to any team and the user itself. Somthing like a fire rate buff would be nice.

near ice
#

Dual pistols for medium when, Embark?

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waxen thicket
#

, cloak and turret needs rework, they're currently the weakest specs of their respective classes. But they still have decent viability in lower ranks, meaning they need not simple numerical changes but something more to also be useful in higher ranks.

Some rework ideas for turrets:

  1. Turn the turret into a drone or RC with wheels, that can be moved remotely by pressing Q. This will make managing the turret and repositioning easier.

  2. Rework it into 2 smaller turrets with half the cooldown, health and damage. Having 2 turrets mean they can cover more angles, protect each other and grant a backup in hand when one is destroyed or falls down, which happens way too often. It would make the turrets more effective without increasing power.

  3. Make it an equipment, that's it. The turret is already too limited in it's functionality to be a complete specialization, being too easy to counter without enough damage to justify the opportunity cost over others. It would be simpler to just make it an equipment like Healing Emitter, which is useful but not strong enough to be a full-fledged specialization.

Some rework ideas for Cloak:

  1. Like TF2, Make cloak completely silent. But also, disable all weapons and items during cloak, and make decloaking slow and loud. So cloak can be more useful, but also force the user to be more careful when and where to attack.

  2. Add a phasing effect. While using cloak, user can jump to move through walls and consume extra energy. Like Dematerializer, but only user can pass through and leave behind no hole for teammates or enemy. Allows cloak to be used for infiltration and escape through walls.

  3. 10% increased movement speed during cloak, simple enough but extremely effective on an already fast class. Many players, especially Dagger mains have been claiming that cloak doesn't have enough mobility compared to Dash or Hook, so, just give them that. Easy fix.

Any 1 of these changes for each would make them more useful as specs.

glass sandal
#

can we get a I love you Map I love you and everyone and the Finals

scarlet harbor
#

Do not go through with the HP changes to light and heavy, please.

late prairie
#

Bring back Head2Head

tawny oak
#

Servers need HELLA REMODELING, how is one game solid good with reg and damage and the next its a fucking joke, 2m away, shot heavy in the back with swd off, all pellets hit and it doesnt even kill them but i can take damage from bullets when im already around the corner. fucking mbark man fix your servers
1 Sided servers where one team gets benefits with damage and reg while the other suffers with desyncs, do some server maintenance, im happy you guys get ddos since thats the only time you actually do any server inspections and "rEpAiRs" shame how hackers need to force you to do server maintenance to fix your game and make it more consistent. just do weekly repairs/maintenance, drop the game for 2 or so hours before weekly reset and do repairs.

how is practice range damage and registration MUCH better than the regular matches, hitscan gun should act the same with reg and damage but they dont, fix the game

quartz ivy
#

Add Bonus Pages to Legacy Battle Passes

loud pelican
#

ADD THE EMERALD BACK TO THE M11 SILENCER, WHY DID YOU GUYS REMOVE IT 😭

mild gull
#

How to correctly balance the 93R

The recent 93R changes did nothing but make it an overpowered light deleter while having basically no effect on the classes it struggles against, which are medium and heavy. Hence, Embark needs to look at other ways to balance it rather than altering the damage.
This can be done by making the burst delay shorter, which will make it more viable against ALL classes while not making it overpowered versus lights.

Proposed 93R changes:
RPM - 1000 (current cycle rate)
Damage: 24** (revert from 25 back to 24)**
Burst delay: 0,284s > 0,235s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,52s -> ** 0,71s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.21s -> 1,12s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.68s -> 1,58s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.40s -> 0,415s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,71s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.21s -> 1,065s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

Keep the mag size at** 21** to preserve the 93R's punishing nature.

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R (except light). This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which is the product of an oversimplified buff to damage.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

eager gyro
#
  • Shockwave 10.3.0 nerf

Previously benefited from high verticality; it was heavily nerfed. Pad–Shockwave tech doesn't make sense anymore. It is currently better to use the pad normally than using shockwave with it.

  • Bring back Head 2 Head

With the removal of Arena Debut, this was expected to return. There was no clarification on why you removed this mode ever.

  • Friend List

Completely bugged. Shows friends as online, playing, or queueing when they are not. Issue introduced this season.

  • Chat Censoring

Bugged since release. Some insults pass through while common words are censored inconsistently. This is frustrating.
PLEASE ADD A TOGGLE TO DISABLE THIS FEATURE.

onyx loom
gritty jetty
desert solstice
#

LMH health/speed changes:

Both casual and tryhard friends don't notice a significant difference between 150/250/350 and 175/250/325 with the move speed changes

One player actaully thought the update was live on point break and was complaining about it....

certain weapons are thrown off, but even so, it's very playable and the movespeed changes mostly made the differences less significant

with good changes to weapons to match, I'm certain it will improve the game

frozen python
#

game's in a good state but still waiting for my S9 dia charm, thx in advance

Edit: My bad, just realiyzed there is no charm reward anymore...why not tho?? Isn't it like the most common cosmetic ranked reward in all fps?

rigid shale
#

phone number verification đŸ“±

hybrid hearth
# floral venture I agree with most of this, However the fact that silly bayblade spear isn't lis...

Well there’s other weapons lmao I just listened the ones that came to mind first.
You’re playing moving platforms wrong then. Stay off the platforms and defend from a distance or move the terminal off the platform itself. I believe all classes now have a way to move the terminal.
It’s significantly easier to defend the cashout from a close distance at her than being ON the point. ESPECIALLY the moving platforms with little to no real cover

odd prism
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GIVE SHOCKWAVE ITS JUMP BACK!!!

civic flax
grand hare
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ive been seeing a LOT of cheaters embark

hard arrow
stone thorn
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"Hear me out!" New guns for the finals

-MPX on light @800 rpm, 35 round mag, 13-15 damage to the body, 20-24 to the head.

-HK416 on medium @700 rpm, 30 round mag, 18-19 damage to the body, 25-28 to the head,
or
-MK47 Mutant @650 rpm in semi auto or burst
(preferably 2 round burst with a negligible, optimized delay designed to allow for rapid, consecutive bursts, essentially functioning as a "double-tap" mechanism, basically click fast = full auto), 30 round mag, 21.5 damage to the body 32 to the head.

M249 on heavy @700 rpm, 100 round mag, 18-19 damage to the body, 25-28 to the head.,

Let me know what y'all think.

round isle
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Maybe click r3 as your running to get an arm pump run boost, putting your weapon “away” and prioritizing running? Clamber/climb is a little slow.

I feel the game was running perfect pre patch. Not sure what you changed but it felt better before

wild galleon
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Day 3 of asking to allow me to bind the A button (Xbox) to something other than jump and still being able to “insert coin” after death. Instead I have to leave it unbound or I’m stuck in limbo waiting for a revive

dark niche
pulsar belfry
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After playing since S1 and 1500+ hours
 I think the only way to fix the current issues with ranked matchmaking is to have smaller bracket games.

Instead of 8 teams and 3 rounds, it’s time to go down to 4 teams, 2 rounds.

Smaller lobbies would improve matchmaking times, 2 rounds offer quicker games, and in addition there needs to be some hard rules for Ruby players not getting matched against Gold. The skill gap is unfair for both.

High ELO players are getting terrible RS in return for their time investment and everyone else who can’t close the gap on a team that’s tens of thousands of RS above your own is going to lose hundreds to thousands in RS. It doesn’t make any sense.

I’d rather wait a longer queue time than go into a match where the skill range is wide. Wide shouldn’t even be an option.

spare pagoda
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So now Riot Shield can eat up the CL-40 shots like nothing, wow, great, amazing

tranquil abyss
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bring back the easy placement for deployable shields

empty needle
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fiox ur fucking matchmaking this shit is not fun at all gg

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dusky pasture
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When will Thermal vision return?
Please don't delete it like what you guys did to the Recon Senses

daring ingot
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DAY 29 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

dull pawn
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Honestly I think the number one player in the world getting put in a gold lobby is healthy for ranked, you guys should keep it up

left sedge
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The developement team for The Finals is Awesome but the guys managing the game are just masssive dorks,
so a guy and his team got banned cause the players from VGG were getting shyt on by chikenphobia and his group and the losers from VGG got mad a contacted and "guy" they knew on embark and chikenphobia and his team got banned within 13 hrs.

EMBARK plz can we stop with this esport bullshyt and you guys sucking on this "Professionals" players balls.

wind flame
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Remove Kyoto from the map pool. It's a pretty wallpaper, but it's a horrible map to play an FPS on. Either make us able to deselect maps, remake the map, or remove it. Every time i play on it it's a horrible experience.

blazing meteor
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wow good job banning chicken, and his hacking teamates... now ban the hackers that i play against every day and were good. otherwise your game is just hacking sim.

chickens teammate was hacking, you smurf or play with aimbots over and over and get banned im 100% supporting that.