💣┇weapons-gadgets

[worn topaz]

what's the ideal weapons gadgets loadout for a light

[muted condor]

Dagger, invis, invis grenade, tracking dart, vortex

[chilly granite]

weapons don't matter, they just change the positions and style of play

[indigo nexus]

Maybe something like;

V9S + dash + gateway + H+ + glitch nade

But I’m not 100% on what the light meta is right now.

[chilly granite]

ARN is the easiest light weapon to use - it doesn't care hwo you posiution and it has no recoil, so you casn do anything and it will work

[indigo nexus]

But realistically if you have to ask it already doesn’t matter

[chilly granite]

m11 is the most ppowerful light weapon, but requires you to actually position properly for it and it has a little bit of recoil

[tardy light]

Big disagree. Easiest light weapons are dagger, bow, sniper. Arn takes massive skill

[chilly granite]

on the gadgets, a gadget you use it worht infinitely more than one oyou forget to use

[faint steppe]

Yeah, best weapon picks are probably V9S, M11, LH1 and ARN mostly depending on the map with V9S being the best all-rounder pick. Glitch can sometimes be swapped for Vanish depending on the enemy team

[tardy light]

Glitch SHOULD be picked to counter mesh/dome if it’s present

[chilly granite]

So regardless of the gadgets you choose, make sure you're using them a lot and effectively. THe most powerful gadgets are gate, h+ and glithc, but all three can be hard to use

gadgets that are slighitly worse but sitll extremlly powerful are breach, invis bomb, sonar and nulli

glitch is not needed to counter mesh/dome, most high ranked players who don't use glitch by default, only swap it in against double heavy teams

[indigo nexus]

goo nade I think is perfectly serviceable too

[chilly granite]

goo nade grapple only imho, there's just better options if you aren't using goo perches

if you use grapple and do goo perches then it's scary strong

[faint steppe]

Tbf, goo nade is probably the most versatile gadget in the game. Basically never a bad pick

[indigo nexus]

Maybe, I think goo is more useful if you play at a level where you don’t die very quickly due to enemy inaccuracy though, which probably applies to this person

[chilly granite]

defensively on light, goo nade isn't as powerful as on medium becuase llight has less hp so it's easier to secure kill

[tardy light]

@chilly granite what are ur honest thoughts on TK

[chilly granite]

oohohh that's true solar

it doesn't work at high ranks well becuase you die so fast that goo doesn't offer much proetction, but if you're bleow mid gold it's probably mcuh better

goo is 100% never a bad pick, even in high ranks, but light has insanely powerful gadgets, so there's usuially a better one

[chilly granite]

I'm not sure what skill you think the arn takes?

sniper and bow are incredibly punishing if you ever miss in cqb, and at long range, they're projectile so much less consistent than arn even with high skill

in mid range, they just lack dps for bunring though a mesh or dome. An ARN will kill a dome and a heavy under it stealing, much faster than bow or sr84

[indigo nexus]

probably ‘ragebait’!

[tardy light]

I was shitposting lol

[indigo nexus]

you ‘took the bait’ as it were

[chilly granite]

ok good

[tardy light]

My tk question is serious though

[chilly granite]

I'd rather take the bait than some noob be mislead

I don't like tk's because they don't support the range I like to play at

I like to play a highly varied range - I don't like to play cqb OR distance, I like to be in and out plaiyng boht

that's why I like the bow, as it's the weapon that is strongest, in the greatest variety of ranges

and I really, really, really hate the tks audio

[tardy light]

Ok fair response. I should try bow. Any good guides u know of?

Tk emitted audio is bad but not as bad as finger deagles audio. The tk quick juggle inspect and charge up audio is rlly good actually

kinda hyper realistic but it makes u sound like a ninja 🥷

[chilly granite]

bow is basically hitscan wihtin like, 10/15/25m on l/m/h

focus on learning to hit fulldraws consistently first, and then start worrying aobut partial draws

the bow has shitty breakpoints so understanding them and when to dive for quickmelee and such is important

the dps is terrible so healing ruins you always, it's worth pikcing up a heal emitter and throwing it away lmao

partials are variable speed based on how long you've drawn, so it takes a lot to get used to, but that's where the real power of the bow is because you can hit insane ttks, like a twohit on medium for like, 0.69s ttk

[tardy light]

I’m assuming partial draws are predetermined and it’s not like a continuum u can release at

[chilly granite]

it's a continum

damage increases at 7ms/damage

i headshot a light for 148.. if I had waited 7ms longer then he would've died

[tardy light]

wowzers

[chilly granite]

I have a clipo

[tardy light]

I wanna try it cause I’ve been on a grapple TK streak and my lack of range when I see a good target from a roof is killing me 😔

[chilly granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182330547234684989/1470635047467094117/frameperfectheadshot.mp4?ex=69bad05e&is=69b97ede&hm=2f2c542f89bf8a9c803f77e60a7759c077e6313b5141f052875610ba5fc4a1c3&

I counted the frames on this kill and it seems to be frame perfect minimum draw for 150 damage

grapple tks is sus tbh, tks are basically only good in cqb where dash is most powerful/most needed to keep llight alive

[tardy light]

ikkkk I just live for the dopamine of getting a TK headshot mid grapple 😩

[chilly granite]

lmao

[tardy light]

I sweat all season in ranked and I brought this to WT as a meme loadout and ended up rlly enjoying it

[chilly granite]

you'll for sure enjoy grapple bow

main thing with grapple bow is you basiucally need nulli for heavies/healbeams in cqb

you just don't have the damage to win

[tardy light]

I bring nully usually it’s my crutch

[chilly granite]

with tks its a crutch, with bow it's just needed

hahaha

[tardy light]

I met someone who allegedly solo queued grapple TK to 45k though this season. insane

[chilly granite]

I buy 40k, 45k is insane though

I'm pretty sure u can hit 40k on macro/stall only, pasifist

[tardy light]

Lmao sounds about right. Someone made a reddit post today about hitting plat 3 no kills.

[chilly granite]

I have games where my health is bad and I just can't hit shots and I hit plat 2 just on stall and macro

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182330398299140127/1478508779384602748/I_love_my_loadout.mp4?ex=69ba745a&is=69b922da&hm=698fbfae5db63a889655696ab94c2928960edfd3ef55b5b612a9b334a66ecaee&

[tardy light]

Whoa
Smoke?

What’s the play on bringing smoke over H+/gateway in LMH no heal beam? What do u use it for? If it’s just fun and based I understand that wondering if there’s an intent behind it though

I don’t think I’ve seen smoke ONCE in ranked since they removed thermals (thank god it sucked to fight against)

[chilly granite]

it's secret tech

I mix it up a lot

goo grenade is probably the right answer

grapple goo perches are insanely op when abused

smoke is very strong though, if it rendered consistently I'd still use it

there is unironically secret tech

[tardy light]

Are u worried sharing it will get it fixed or smth

[chilly granite]

nah I'd perfer if it was fixed i just cba to explain

and it's not that super powerful anyway

mainly fun

anyway, my gadgets are my gadgets, I don' treally recommend anyone else play with them

[slender mica]

do you have any tips for using bow?

[chilly granite]

I would be running flahes instead of goo if I had lvl 6 goo

[tardy light]

I am lvl 1 bow but I recommend drawing back the string and aiming it at the enemies hope that helps at least a bit

[slender mica]

alr ill try that before i was just aiming down sights and praying it would shoot

[tardy light]

Gotta farm the drip

[chilly granite]

@slender mica as I said, its mostly hitscan to 10/15/25m l/m/h

practice fulldraws until you're consistent with them at a variety of ranges, parital draws are the real strength of the bow, but you need to learn to walk before oyu rrun

ads is bait, bow has 3x ads like pike, so you'll never hit a med or light in cqb iwth it

you get slowed when you draw, so oyu want to peek with a crouch slide while drawiing

[slender mica]

hmmm i was suspecting that the ads wasnt helping

[chilly granite]

try to learn the shot timing on the full draw

so you''re not wasting time holding arrows, the bow has terrible dps (107) so you need to get every drop of dps oyu can

me and f3rr30s (hes ruby bow) both use quite slow mouse sensitivities for finals, which ends up being a good mouse sens for non-ads bow

most players mouse sens is good for ads 1x sight, which is too fast for bow non-ads

ads on bow is for 35+ m shots, long range shit

[slender mica]

i think mine is quite low anyway

well how low is yours? mine is 34 800dpi

[chilly granite]

he's like, 800/23, I'm 800/22

[slender mica]

ahh so im slightly higher

[chilly granite]

KEKW

[tardy light]

Damn I’m at 1200/50 😬

[chilly granite]

50% faster "slightly higher"

[slender mica]

is the world spinning for you or something

thats crazy high

[tardy light]

Maybe I misunderstand u guys? My dpi is 1200 and my sens in game is at the midpoint which I’m assuming is between 0-100

[chilly granite]

yeah kurama the reaosn u need nulli for cqb on tk's is because your mouse sens is too hihg bro lmao

[tardy light]

xD

I’m used to it and I hit some crazy shots I promise

[chilly granite]

It's not about the shots you hit, it's aboput the shots you miss

[tardy light]

I just forget ab those

[chilly granite]

let's start with a basic test: can you easily move your mouse 1px on your screen in desktop?

[slender mica]

i used to be around 22/800 but i moved up sensitivity cause i could barely do a 360 from one side of my mousepad to the other

[chilly granite]

or actually, better test. Turn off focal scaling, and use sr84, and see how easily you can line up a headshot at 30m

[tardy light]

Is focal scaling a finals setting

[chilly granite]

yeah

[slender mica]

yes

[chilly granite]

it lowers sens to keep it feeling similar based on the optic your using

[tardy light]

I’m already procrastinating by typing here so I’m not gonna launch the finals now but I’ll eventually check.

[chilly granite]

basically, when you turn it off and use sr84, you can see how precises your mouse control really is

[tardy light]

Ah fuk it I’ll go do it

[chilly granite]

becuase you have much smaller fov with sniper, you can really see all your tiny hand shakes and suchlike

@slender mica you don't need to 360 ever, only need to 180

real men have strong enough arms to lift their mouse

[slender mica]

in general its useful to be able to track around

[chilly granite]

wimp mindset

[slender mica]

especially on sword lights

[chilly granite]

nah it's true if you're ads'd with a normal gun, because focal scaling on normal guns reduce sens to about 3/4

but the bow odesn't have focal scaling on the draw, and the ads is ridiculously zoomed

[slender mica]

but i can see the gains from a low sens on bow

[chilly granite]

So the sens to use ads in the same way as you use ads on normal guns in cqb, would be insane

and so you need a low enough sens that it's reasonable to use it same as the ads on normal guns

[tardy light]

im gonna have to dm u the video cause im a yellow role...

[slender mica]

what role is it to send photos and videos

[chilly granite]

oirnage

rthe one after yelow

[slender mica]

am i colour blind or am i already orange

[tardy light]

salmon not orange

[compact tundra]

The one after yellow is red

[slender mica]

salmon is NOT a colour gang

[compact tundra]

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[chilly granite]

@tardy light I'm curious to see but main thing is just to make sure your sens is one where you have a dpi: with single dot precision, for desktop usage; and a sensivitriy with comforatble degree of precision

[compact tundra]

Salmon is a color just not one in the discord

[slender mica]

thats yellow not orange

[slender mica]

it is????

[tardy light]

so what should i do exactly snap to target back and forth at 30m in practice range while ads? with sr and focal off?

also i checked i am indeed at 1200/50 😔

[compact tundra]

Yea and actually I'm wrong, the junior mods are salmon colored

[tardy light]

HOLY SHIT focal off made it impossible. with focal on i can do it but now its like hyperspeed

[chilly granite]

sr84, focal scaling off, zoom sens and sniper sens 100%

[slender mica]

so im ornage

[chilly granite]

@tardy light focal off is exactly what your bow/hipfire mouse movement is like, you just can acutally see it

[slender mica]

ok good im not just tweaking and thinking im colour blind

[tardy light]

so focal on just changes sens depending on whether im ads or not? and focal off keeps it constant? wouldnt i prefer focal on during gameplay?

[slender mica]

ye but with bow most of the time your not zoomed in so you dont have the same problem

[tardy light]

maybe not for bow and tk i guess? but for regular guns ya?

[stoic garden]

focal changes sens depending on the amount of zoom yes, much stronger with shit like sniper, barely perceptible with things like m11

[compact tundra]

That depends on playstyle, My friend who semi-mains bow plays hip fire only kinda but a lot of bows ads to shoot

[stoic garden]

i honestly keep it on with normal guns to control recoil a bit better

[chilly granite]

you have the same accuracy problem, but you don't see that you can't aim well enough

being oblivious to the problem =/= the problem doesn't exist

I would like to have the precision with my sensitivity to get dead center on my intended head at 25m consistently on hipfire sens

[tardy light]

doesnt that give u a harder time in close range

[chilly granite]

focal should be on in gameplay

it also increases sens when you sprint

[tardy light]

omg it does thats weird

[chilly granite]

kinda? it's complicated

that's why it's easier to hipfire in cqb than ads

but having a sens that gives you precision to be accurate in hipfire cqb is also a benefit

If you have a spread, beiung more precisely dead center on enemy, will increase hit probability

Generally speaking, you can almost always move your arm faster, but it's often hard to move it more precisely

I've done 90 degree flicks that were 3 frames at 72 fps

I used to have a mouse that would stop wokring becuase I moved my arm faster thna it's sensor could work, and it was a gaming mouse lmao

[tardy light]

i guess ive always made small movements and just relied on my wrist

[chilly granite]

it capped out at around 5m/s, most modern mice are 50m/s

that's a whole 50cm mousepad in 100ms

and half a mousepad in 50ms, which is about the same as 3 frames for 90 degree turn on my sens lmao

[tardy light]

i just switched to 1000/40 in practice range and i feel kinda sluggish. thisll be just like when i swapped quick melee and spec button and kept on accidentally grappling into people and meleeing at the sky for a week

[chilly granite]

crank in game sens to 100, and check that you can control the mosue with single dot precisiosn

you don't have to, but it sucks with some software if you don't have single pixel precision

volume controls are the usual problem

[chilly granite]

you need to tank it

you aren't a frog, you are a human, you don't need to make small adjustments

you'll build muscles and learn skill way faster if you play wisth some insane sens like 15/800

I say that's insane like I wasn't using it a month ago lmao

[tardy light]

a melee player would obliterate me

[chilly granite]

you have grapple

just be far away

[tardy light]

how tf did u play on this

[chilly granite]

hahhah

[tardy light]

tbh going back to my old sense already feels really weird and now i just feel like i cant play lmao

[chilly granite]

you gotta move your arm at 5m/s

that's a 50cm mousepad in 100ms

from center to edge and back again in 100ms

I got arthirtus if I can do it you can

but yeah, alot of it is buidling the muslces for it and the habits of learning when to lift your mouse

[tardy light]

sry no response im reading but just fucking around and missing a lot in practice range

[chilly granite]

@tardy light it's wroth practicing just moviing your arm as fast as you can and practicing moving it smoothly too

but yeah, your old sens was almost certianly one that was above the level of precision you can apply consistently, which is why you felt the need for a nulli on tks lmao

[tardy light]

Hipfire has always been really iffy for me
even with other weapons

[chilly granite]

it will be because hipfire is above the level of precision you can apply

[tardy light]

im trying 1000/40 now i am definitely not trying ur fk ass 800/15 sorry dude

[chilly granite]

that's still too high, the max u should run is 800/40

that's almost double my sens and it's what uni runs

unless you think you can be more precise than uni is lmao

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[tardy light]

well idk uni im assuming theyre a pro. ill try 800. is uni on 800/40 or half that? i dont understand from ur message exactly

[chilly granite]

@tardy light but yeah, you'll develop the muscles and adapt a lot faster if you're doing someting really hard

[tardy light]

isnt it cool that i hit diamond on 1200/50 though. really goes to show any1 can do it

[chilly granite]

I'm 800/22, uni 800/40

you should run 800/22 at least to develop the habits, even if you swap back to sometihng more sane after a short while to develop the muscles and habits for 800/40

[chilly granite]

no, it shows you can pacifist run it 😛

[tardy light]

does dpi/sens matter or just the sum? like 400/80 vs 800/40

[tardy light]

listeennn i hit some crazy clips u gotta believe me. im nasty with the deagles. just not in hipfire (they have bad hipfire accuracy anyways)

[blissful briar]

yur

[chilly granite]

Sens dictates the precision of a single dot of movement, so if it's too high, you can skip over heads at long range

but as long as sens is low enough (about 75imho)

then the multiplier matters (400*80 or 800 x 40)

[tardy light]

im getting used to 800/40 now. ill try to get at least as percise as uni then lol. thanks for all the advice

[chilly granite]

@tardy light if you're planning to play bow, then you should really be using much lower, he's playing on ads guns

800/32 is probably max for bow

[tardy light]

well im not planning to play bow ill try it out

[tardy light]

is the reason cause u hipfire at longer ranges with bow?

[chilly granite]

yes, with bow, you're hipfiring out to 20+m

becuase zoom is pike level zoom, so it's only really appropriate for more than 20m relaly

if you try bow zoom in practice range oyu'll see how strong the zoom is and how it's just gonna be really bad at close/mid range

[restive plover]

Is m60 comp or should I play something better

And what should I run with it

[chilly granite]

all heavy weapons are fine

rpg dome +1 dpeending on spec/playstyle/skill level

dealers choice winch, mesh

goo gun and cns are playable depending on map and skill

[humble flume]

Machine guns + mesh shield and dome shield

[tardy light]

i feel like goo is good on every map. except maybe kyoto

[chilly granite]

Cns based on map, goo based on skill might have been clearer

[tardy light]

goo stall much skill very hard lol

[chilly granite]

No, but it's more skill than winch or mesh KEKW

[tardy light]

Hey, mesh players have to use one of their 10 braincells to figure out when to press q

[short fable]

As a mesh player, I am highly offended that you think it takes no less than 2 braincells to know when to put up mesh 🤣

[chilly granite]

@tardy light btw the deags have solid hipfire

they're only slightly worse than ks23

[tardy light]

im gonna send u a video lol (yellow role failure)

[compact tundra]

Na bruh do it in like #💥┇spawn-point or #⚡┇the-finals-chat

[sudden pewter]

Yeah there’s standards here

[slow linden]

I have claimed another scalp it seems

Haven't played in a while,came back to that

[sudden pewter]

Same

[slow linden]

I've collected 6,how about you?

[sudden pewter]

Idk 🤷‍♂️

[compact tundra]

Rank my MGL loadout boys

Also doubles as my akimbo loadout

And if you replace goo gun with C&S it's my secondary sledge loadout

[slow linden]

W

[stoic garden]

beautiful beard

[cunning slate]

Sorry I've been absent, but what's going to happen in season 10?

We getting a new weapon set? If so, I want M1911 on medium. Or G18C

[shell sonnet]

[hl ragdoll intensifies]

[analog pewter]

Why do people insist on bug reporting in feedback
They literally tell you it's not a bug report channel

[paper plaza]

What do yall think about dagger

Ive switched from playing med and heavy to playing some light and have been playing around with the dagger, its fun and doesnt seem to be op

[ionic drum]

Okk 👍

[sudden pewter]

New weapon teased, nothing else known until the teasers drop

[sudden pewter]

Idiots don’t read

[paper plaza]

Wait where, where was it teased

[sudden pewter]

Dev stream. I said teased but in reality Oscar just showed a big ascii WEP. Then said he couldn’t say anything else

Teasers will start dropping tomorrow if Embark keeps their word

[paper plaza]

Damn. I missed the stream

On twitch right?

[cunning slate]

Just text or an outline or what? WEP doesn't give good info

[stoic garden]

do u know what ascii means lol

[sudden pewter]

Literally text(made of text), that spelled out WEP.

[indigo nexus]

not WPN?

[sudden pewter]

I could double check but ultimately both lead to the same road

[ashen hawk]

what when??

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/poopman-poop-stain-homunculus-gif-5894943418330622711

[stoic garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182330547234684989/1474167503956476078/togif.gif

[cunning slate]

Brother thats disgusting

[stoic garden]

they jiggle when he walks.

[tardy light]

definitely not op. if its fun use it! if you bring it to ranked be prepared to drown out hatred

[sudden pewter]

He’s just a little guy

[stoic garden]

dagger and op cannot be in the same phrase

[sudden pewter]

Dagger and frustrating? Peanut Butter and Jelly

[muted condor]

Dagger and bad game design? Synonyms

[sudden pewter]

Give it up yellow. You don’t have rights here

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-emdeb-fail-failure-cat-gif-16703817715131368982

[compact tundra]

I like dagger, it's fun

[eager wasp]

amazing weapon if you hate yourself

[paper plaza]

Dropped a 25 kill game between 2 rounds of WT

[eager wasp]

yesh, but i guess it also hits me harder, the inconsistencies bc i also have poor internet and fps 💔😞 but from my experience, its really fun but its also really miserable at the same time, esp since they keep nerfing it for no reason at all

[compact tundra]

Im sure its a lot worse for you cause every time they nerf it your whole muscle memory has to change meanwhile this dudes trying it for the first time so there's no muscle memory to retrain

Cause after they changed dagger from click to stab to hold to stab I dropped it for like 3 seasons cause it felt awful for me

[eager wasp]

i didnt grt hit hard with the charge up one, i adapted pretty fast tbh, and honestly i really like it, just dislike the movement penalty ofc as does everyone else that usses it

[compact tundra]

Yea the movement penalty really makes it feel like they want dash dagger to be the only really decent option and make cloak and dagger harder to use

[cunning slate]

Rolecism at its strongest point

[tardy light]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-gif-4898920832982668727

damn it how do i keep forgetting

[compact tundra]

You are like a professional yellow role

Bro forgets everytime

[kindred gorge]

I know someone reads in here cause a white role suggested a light bulb skin for the flashbang and it came out like 2 weeks later so maybe the explosive crossbow will be a hit

[compact tundra]

Also boys I had a sword dual last night and cooked this poor man. I joined the game right as they put the second vault in the cashbox and had no teammates so we started being friendly and I challenged this dude to a duel and cooked this poor man.
Also I love how ritualistic it was, like I signified the dual, we lunge danced past each other to initiate and then like kept feinting a lunge before attacking

[kindred gorge]

schwacked his ass

[compact tundra]

I did, what's worse is there were 2 swords on their team and they were miced and the other died before this due to shenanigans so his homeboy watched him get cooked, a true tragedy

[tardy light]

duel

[compact tundra]

Ok mister I'm bad at English, I'm from America dammit we speak an average of like .8 languages

[tardy light]

well now u know 😉

[compact tundra]

I think I fixed it on the first one and then fucked it up for the second. Anyways it's like the same word so like it work out

[past geyser]

p90 fun

[kindred gorge]

Don’t lump me in with you on that lol

[kindred gorge]

True!

https://tenor.com/view/goodanswernephew-meme-gif-9234359276627553652

[past geyser]

as a bronze player where it doesnt rly matter whats the best its js a rly fun gun to use

[kindred gorge]

Depends on your personal preference really, play whatever you want

[compact tundra]

That is OUR average, as an American you should be proud of all the 0.8 languages you speak

[kindred gorge]

I will always be a revolver supremacist though

[past geyser]

i have revolver and famas in reserve

both fun also i js do better with the p90

also i love the motion sensors for some reason

[compact tundra]

I have a weird love of turret, like I understand it's ass but it's so fun to use to me

[past geyser]

fair enough bc omds it can be the difference sometimes

also, i joined in s8, what does Thermal Vision do? is it basically sonar?

[compact tundra]

This was a spot I used last night and it was so good

[kindred gorge]

A buddy of mine started playing this season and he’s also a big on p90 and sensors

[past geyser]

based

my loadout is

P90
Demat
Zips
defib
motion sensor

[kindred gorge]

Now that’s interesting cause I very rarely see new players lock in defib

It’s mostly turret with a hint of heal beam

[compact tundra]

Do you mean dematty?

Cause yea I agree, especially with the nerfed and less responsive dematty seeing a new player lock it in is weird, but more power my brother I hope it's glory returns one day, maybe not to the extent it was but at least with a better QoL

[compact tundra]

Thermal vision turned your screen gray scale and would make enemies white, so you could see them better, I loved using it on sniper or long range ARN cause it made debris smoke way less of a problem

[next yew]

bring back thermal pls

[flint needle]

They should add like a trip mine with a visible red laser. Could be cool with defense and stuff but just a thought.

[tardy light]

wiki says:
"The Throwing Knives' stable accuracy enables a high-movement playstyle with lots of moving and jumping"
meanwhile throwing knives actually have terrible jumping accuracy with primary fire. hmm 🤔

[south olive]

like claymores but then it would just be the same as mines then. maybe lasers then

but throwing knives need a cooldown of some way like if u throw like 10-15 consecutive knives without stopping then the arms get “tired” and it slows down a bit

[slow linden]

Give heavy an apple fritter

[modest lynx]

2 apple fritters

[slow linden]

3 apple fritters

[modest lynx]

Now heavy can share with every build

[slow linden]

What would the apple fritter do and how would he share

[modest lynx]

Sandvich tf2

[slow linden]

I prefer the bison beef steak but fair enough

[modest lynx]

Real lwk just a lunchbox type item for Heavy would be funny

[slow linden]

You could feed one to the enemy to ensure a more honorable duel

[modest lynx]

Feeding both my Dagger and the enemies dagger and watching them fight

[slow linden]

Indeed

[frosty token]

I am here to make a post talking about my enjoyment of Medium Dual Blades in Point Break. While I always carry Heal beam, Defib, and Zipline, I'd like to hear about any other gadgets to run with support Dual Blades for Point Break.

[still magnet]

Goo grenade

[slow linden]

Breach drill

[pine pivot]

Im just over halfway through plat using primarily dual blades and fcar, and my loadout has always been heal beam, goo nades, pad (though im going to try zip next season) and defib.

Its really difficult to justify switching off of defib and a movement gadget, so there's only really one variable slot

[plucky spade]

Defib should be reverted to max hp on res and moved to class specialisation

[mint wasp]

FR

[mint wasp]

Yh

[slow linden]

No max hp on res,remove defib sickness,keep half health,remove I frames and let people shoot you while you're printing to cancel defib

[slow linden]

Keep it a gadget

[stoic garden]

today i won my first 1v1 by strafing and crouch spamming, somehow it didn't feel sweaty since i just wanted to try it, it's pretty funky tho

it was fcar vs fcar if anyone asks

fella was also strafing, but not crouching

[terse gorge]

what are we expecting next season gentlemen

[slow linden]

New specs,hopefully new guns

[terse gorge]

I see, I think they confirmed new specs like two seasons ago. New gun would probably be on light

[slow linden]

Hopefully M2browning for heavy

[tardy light]

a new battle pass at least

my reasoning: not every season has new maps. not every season has new weapons. not every season has new specs.

every season has battle pass 👍

oh yeah and music
and a store dlc
and prob some balance changes

[cunning slate]

Or an injector pen...

[cunning slate]

Last I checked, we only had the battle pass and a map. Weapons should be added to make the pool easier to guide into a better experience.

What would be arguablly better is reworks to specs and weapons. Light, no matter what, is unfair and not fun. If you want to improve the game, Light has to be tuned to be easier to play with and against.

[tardy light]

lol

[cunning slate]

I'd be happy with the I-frame removal if I either get a partial refund for them dying or the cooldown was class-specific.

[slow linden]

No refund for dying,commit to and protect your revives you stat padding Troglodyte

[tardy light]

Sorry, i am that person who ends a point break game with 18 revives by letting you die just to rez you again

[cunning slate]

Look, Im an "emotional ssupport medium" my job isn't killing, it's making you die less.

[slow linden]

It's not about killing,wall off your revives with goo,give suppressive fire,do not push,protect

[cunning slate]

But it just becomes a boon if it's not obvious they are fragile.

[slow linden]

You don't need to apologize to me,you've punished yourself enough

[tardy light]

i still need 2k more revives im not done

[slow linden]

Then your suffering will continue

[tardy light]

raaagh theres no good club tags anymopre

[slow linden]

Goo is not fragile,goo is strong,also lights are a waste of a defib,never defib lights,only heavies and mediums unless you absolutely need to

[cunning slate]

I meant the revived

[tardy light]

i be leaving my L teammates dead 💯

[cunning slate]

Lights are a hex 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[slow linden]

The revived can and will recover when provided with ample healing or cover or suppressive fire,you need not do all of these things at once but doing at least 2 will result in more successful revives and getting people back in fighting condition faster

[slow linden]

Only defib goated dB or dagger lights

[heavy tendon]

I wish you could decline a revive. Sometimes you just get revived in the worst places

[compact tundra]

😢

[compact tundra]

Bro I fucking hate this server sometimes

I tried to send something in game feedback to explain Yungs idea for ranked and it blocked me for God knows what reason

WHY THE FUCK IS THIS BLOCKED?!?

There goes a 6hr cooldown cause spam?!? ig

[muted condor]

Loser

Nope not that word

[compact tundra]

Losers ?

Nope not that one

I really think it's a stupid spam rule about me repeating the numbers so much but like the fuck, this is isn't even spam and they let the daily spammers get away with that shit all the time, how is mine flagged but

BRING BACK TERMINAL ATTACK
x20 is aight

[sudden pewter]

Losers

H2H

[sudden pewter]

I think it’s due to all the empty space

Bot probably flagged it to prevent big empty messages.

[stoic garden]

this server and freedom of speech do not mix

[sudden pewter]

Also calling it now, Scotty is an AI. Not in the meta sense but in universe

[sudden pewter]

The blacklist is hilariously bad. Both in-game and out.

[kindred gorge]

I could've sworn we'd seen an outline/silhouette of them in a promo for one of the cns season

[sudden pewter]

Could take place in the arena?

[kindred gorge]

could be

[proven parcel]

why are light specializations so ass?

grappling hook for long range and evasive dash for everything else

any use for cloaking device? Or what would it need to be a real option

[sudden pewter]

*Evasive dash for everything else

[proven parcel]

yea

i wish cloak and dagger was a thing

instead you remove all aspects of stealth one shot fantasy by making it only usable with the evasive dash behind opponents

[sudden pewter]

Server latency makes the dagger very frustrating to use or play against. Genuine invisibility opposed to a cloak would be cancer given Lights burst capabilities.

[proven parcel]

would a speed boost during stealth not be a good way to make it viable?

maybe even apply it to the vanishing bomb if you have cloak

[sudden pewter]

No.

Light is already the most mobile archetype. Invisibility is its own benefit, it doesn’t need speed on top of it.

[proven parcel]

it would lead to build diversity and whats the problem with light beeing mobile?

you cant catch up on someone who is running away with cloak and dagger especially while charging

so you have to use evasive dash making every light a coackroach that jumps all over the place

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856603795738722307/1425920121473470554/togif.gif

[proven parcel]

if you want to make a stealth fantasy then dagger is ofc the perfect thematic fit or V9S

[muted condor]

I think it’s a easy fix just remove light

[stoic garden]

maybe

[proven parcel]

any serious takes?💀

[compact tundra]

ARN should be mid ranged and the XP-54 should be the long ranged Auto on light

[mild pike]

I've thought that certain melee weapons could use a slight mobility buff, including dagger. They should buff the movement speed during the backstab wind up.

[hardy dust]

Dagger used to have no movement penalty while charging up

When embark made it hold to backstab they made the windup longer + movement slow

[regal obsidian]

the speed penalty on charging stab is dumb

doesnt make any sense

[muted condor]

Dagger is dumb and doesn’t make sense

Fun weapon in the wrong game

[kindred gorge]

its kinda crazy how much inspiration finals takes from team fortress 2

[regal obsidian]

why not

[frosty token]

The people have spoken. Dual Blade Breach Drill as a possible setup. I do want to thank those who have input and I have developed a strat for: jump pad (look guys, if Monaco is the map, Jump Pad is what i'm taking), goo if jump isn't needed, but... Breach Drill primarily for defense, but I'm still thinking through situations in which it would create objective openings, because open ground / no cover generally favors defense on point break.

[proven parcel]

this might be true but then cloak needs to be gone too

[muted condor]

Just doesn’t fit the game and works on completely different mechanics than all the other weapons and destroyers class breakpoint balancing

[junior portal]

any new weapons for season 10?

[sudden pewter]

At least one.

[junior portal]

k

[toxic quail]

Are these the new gadgets for season 10?

[cyan fox]

damn, thats a good find

[long nymph]

no these are already existing cosmetics

[cyan fox]

https://tenor.com/view/hortonhearsawuo-weird-laugh-lol-funny-gif-1361013422660509711

[toxic quail]

I see, I’m slow

[untold blaze]

Cosmetics for what I’ve never seen them

[long nymph]

rate reducer is a gun charm and geofence is an "emblem" chest piece. like the detective badge or the banana

[toxic quail]

Now that we’re getting teasers of Alfa acta maybe they’ll revisit these gadgets? Maybe it was just teased then and they pushed the release until this season. Idk tbh

Pure speculation but you have to admit that they sound/seem like gadgets that could be in the finals. Maybe not all 3 but 1 or 2 of them

[long nymph]

they already are in the finals bro. theyre cosmetics lol

[sudden pewter]

these are cosmetics

What is that website?

[slow linden]

Congrats on red btw,sad I missed it

[slow linden]

I personally think light shouldn't have any long ranged autos,xp54 was a fucking nightmare to deal with when it was good at range

[kindred gorge]

Been Red a while but thank you

Autocorrect of pain and suffering

[tardy light]

is this an argument based off realism?

cause if the reverse is true whats the point of changing it?

[sudden pewter]

Seems like they’re really emphasizing that S10 will be pretty big, hopefully it makes up for how relatively dry S9 was. (Love the QoL focus though)

[old flame]

https://www.alfaacta.net/

[sudden pewter]

😔

[old flame]

4:04 time adds to it

[sudden pewter]

Really hoping next season is as big as Embark seems to think it is. Love the game but the majority of my frustration with it comes from Embark rather than the game itself.

[slow linden]

You were just orange the other day

[sudden pewter]

I’m a girlboss and I’m here to gatekeep the facts and posit you’re being gaslit

[compact tundra]

That's fair but I think having a lewis equivalent with really punishing recoil would be good. I think light can have one just there recoil tends to be really forgiving

[compact tundra]

No it's based off that I think the ARN already has enough going for it with its good recoil, quick reload gimmick, and amazing headshot, and I think making it the most versatile range option on top of all that is a problem, meanwhile the M11 and XP-54 feel very samey

[slow linden]

I personally think a good way to balance automatics is no horizontal recoil(not for any gun its shitty non player friendly balance) but harsh and oppressive vertical recoil

[compact tundra]

Vertical is a lot easier to control though. Lewis is so skilled because of how hard it is to control the horizontal, I think in general you're right horizontal should be rare but it's an effective tool for balancing if we don't assume Zen's

[slow linden]

When I say oppressive I mean oppressive,yank that shit down oppressive

Vertical is player friendly,I like the Lewis sure,but only the Lewis should be like the lewis

[hardy dust]

I don't think recoil is a very good way to balance weapons ngl

It doesn't affect it too much at higher level play and can make stuff feel more annoying to use

[stoic garden]

then we have v9s

[hardy dust]

Plus since recoil patterns are consistent it screws up people who memorize them

[hardy dust]

Yeah, but its also semi auto so its not exactly the same

[chilly granite]

It takes 15 min to get decent with a pattern and everyone else gotta deal with the change anyway

[hardy dust]

Yeah its less of a point than the other but still worth noting

And I don't mean decent I mean like put actual effort into ot

Either way, recoil should be a less used tool in balancing

[chilly granite]

Rn recoil is the main balancing tool they use tbh

Like there's near no spread, and even the most cqb weapons have insanely high damage floors due to how they structure falloff mechanics

And even on straight DPS, most weapons are too close to their competitors imho

Recoil is by far the most dramatic difference between competing weapons on any class

I do think if you want to put laser beams in the game you gotta make sure their damage is shit (cough cough v9s)

Cough cough arn cough cough M11

[stoic garden]

what is m11 doing wrong exactly

[chilly granite]

No recoil first 20bullets

It's ridicous easy to burst fire with the first chunk of the magazine even out to 35+ m on the M11, easier than on the xp imho

[stoic garden]

ur tweaking on god

[chilly granite]

The M11 recoil goes crazy eventually but the start is crazy ez

The arn just doesn't have recoil

[stoic garden]

arn is probably the easiest gun in the game

[chilly granite]

V9s has less than the arn which already has nothing

Arn is 100% easiest gun in the game

It doesn't care about your positioning because it always does good damage

Doesn't care about your recoil control because no recoil

Doesn't care about ammo management because y has training wheels

The other thing with the M11, like, the M11 has bad recoil at 37.5m, but at 10m, it's recoil is relatively even smaller than the arn at 37.5, and that's the start of falloff for both weapons

The M11 is piss easy if your actually using it within optimal it's just noobs don't use it within optimal

But you go see a ruby M11 and you'll see their dashing into your face taking up your entire screen and you're already dead to them just aiming dead center at your head and not controlling recoil because your head is their entire screen

The M11 is meant to be used in 10m range, but there is nothing to create skill differentiation within that range

The xp54 has BAD recoil at 22.5m compared to either alternative at the start of their falloff

And the lh1 has bad recoil at 15m, let alone the 50 of it's falloff

And if you look at medium, it's same shit again, p90 has no recoil with optimal 18m, akm and fcar have awful recoil for 30/35m?

And medium also has revolver and CB which just have no recoil at all because that's cool

All weapons should have skill differentiation for their optimal range

Lewis and m60 both have excellent skill differention for their optimal, shak doesn't, and shak is op

What makes something op is when skill can't differentiate between good and bad players. You're not beat by the player but by the weapon

I'm just rambling so I may regret some of this when I wake up

But I think my vibe is correct

[tardy light]

Talk your shit bow kun 🗣️

[tardy light]

take us back to the olden days with forced iron sights and visual recoil

[chilly granite]

Visual recoil fuckno

Visual recoil makes people nauseous and probably causes seizures

It should be like counterstrike: visual recoil is less than true recoil

Like, in real life the barrel end of the gun wiggles more than the end that's tucked into my shoulder and that wiggles more than the eyeballs in my head

Camera tracking recoil 1:1, let alone being worse, is icky because recoil that is good for balance might be bad for enjoyable camera movement

[tardy light]

I kinda like the idea of visual recoil I’ve never heard of the health argument but the thing I didn’t like about it is people just use external crosshairs lol

[slow linden]

Just vertical recoil is good balance and easy to grasp,horizontal is where it goes wrong

And it does affect high level players if the recoil is high enough

[chilly granite]

Big disagree, a potato can pull mouse down

The Lewis and M11 are overly extreme in my opinion

[slow linden]

What I'm asking for is recoil so severe that if you try to beam like that you're going to pull your mouse off your desk

[chilly granite]

I think the xp, akm and fcar are well designed recoil patterns

[chilly granite]

That doesn't exist in any game ever for a whole bunch of reasons

[slow linden]

Xp doesn't really have any recoil and it never did,just doesn't do a lot of damage unless you lock to someone's head

[chilly granite]

They should make iron sigts actually 1x optics instead of 2x as they are now

The xp objectively has worse recoil than M11 and arn lmao

[stoic garden]

????

[chilly granite]

Wait are you on controller?

[slow linden]

Mid range weapons should be impossible to use at long range,being able to just beam people with automatics from four rooftops away isn't good balance

[stoic garden]

no im on m&k that shit is 2 straight lines

[chilly granite]

I agree, but dispersion is the best way to do this, not recoil, as dispersion can't be hacked

And also, dispersion can't be skill gapped

No matter how hard you make recoil someone will learn it

[stoic garden]

how about turning into projectiles at the end of their falloff

[chilly granite]

At 22.5m the xps pattern is much more inconsistent and larger than the m11s, I'm not saying it's hard but it's the hardest on light

[stoic garden]

with this you'd have to tweak all guns's falloffs ig

[chilly granite]

M11@10

Projectile at falloff isn't a bad idea but would melt servers probably

If I had faith in servers I agree good solution but can be skillduffed

If you're comparing M11 and xp at the same distance, yes the M11 is worse, but the xp is meant to have over twice the range of the M11

For its optimal and falloff, the xp has worst recoil on light by a wide margin

[slow linden]

Dispersion affects the guns mid range too,unless you're talking a hard limit on range or a projectile range where the accuracy starts going all over the place I'm not sure this would work

[chilly granite]

Properly tuned dispersion has 0 impact at midrange unless you were almost missing anyway

Csgo ak is a good example, its dispersion is smaller than a head until you're deep into falloff

If you are centered on a head within range you will hit 100% of the time on the first shot

Csgo also has heavy bloom on recoil, increasing dispersion as you shoot, similar to akimbo in finals, and that is what people think of

[slow linden]

Fair enough but the guns in cs also have very forgiving recoil,mainly vertical focused anyway

[chilly granite]

That's an interesting take from someone who considers the M11 to have bad recoil but ok

[slow linden]

I actually really like the gunplay in cs

[chilly granite]

A4 and ak don't have forgiving recoil relative to finals

[slow linden]

I said it has no recoil,just like every other smg,it's dispersion is so high that it's practically a shotgun tho

[chilly granite]

They do compared to Lewis, but it's insane compared to shak rather

[slow linden]

Should really give the p90 the same treatment

[slow linden]

What are we comparing Lewis and shak to? I'm lost

[chilly granite]

Cs ak

[slow linden]

I was speaking on automatics in cs in general

[chilly granite]

Idk maybe I play against a lot of cheaters but the dispersion on the M11 is piss easy

[chilly granite]

Basically only the ak/m4s have properly balanced recoil, the other weapons have weak enough damage the recoil is irrelevant

Or rather, without easy recoil they would be entirely useless

[slow linden]

If you're from bronze to gold and all you play is ranked or cashout maybe you do play against a lot of cheaters,other than that idk

Also apparently there are a lot who use subtle cheats in ruby

[chilly granite]

Gold-mid play myself, but I get a decent % of ruby lobbies, I play ranked, point break mainly where I get beamed

[slow linden]

But those are rumors

[chilly granite]

Almost certainly true lol

There's a lot of obvious boosting and win trading

Actual cheating is not much further e

[slow linden]

I agree,but I must play the unbiased party as I do not play ranked and have no dedicated team to play with and hate playing solo,so I will only ever peak high silver or low gold

[chilly granite]

Thats a cope I'm solo and I peaked mid plat and I'm 100% sure I can go higher

[slow linden]

I have a dedicated team to play casual with,but one of them hates ranked

[chilly granite]

I dropped because I tried to play heavy lol

-12k rs for not playing my bow

To be fair, I have 2100 wins on light and 100 on heavy and medium each

[slow linden]

I just hold contempt for randoms,it's not cope,I hate solo q,I'm sure I could climb,but I would get bored,there's no one of meaning to share the glory with

[chilly granite]

Thinking I can play heavy or med remotely competently was a cope

[slow linden]

I am a heavy main that sort of struggles to play light at times so I understand this stance

[chilly granite]

That's fair, playing with randoms sucks donky, I just want the coins

Before S8 I only played placements ranked, otherwise only bankit or tdm

Then S8 wanted sr74 gold skin since iw as sr84 main

Then S9 coins

I'm literally teaching all my tdm main friends to play cashout "so they can get the coins too!" So I don't have to deal with awful randoms

[slow linden]

You are a light main so I see why you had fun with bank it,unfortunately it wasn't friendly for the other classes so it had to go

[chilly granite]

Dude I was a grapple main it wasn't friendly to me either lmao

[slow linden]

Ah

[chilly granite]

Invis and dash was harrrd meta in bank it hahahah

But yeah, bank it had/has serious issues, but I do love it

[slow linden]

Fair enough,but you understand why it's light friendly yes? Light is good for melting one guy,that one guy you've been avoiding all game and camping by box is probably loaded,do that a few times and just run and hide a few times and easy win

[chilly granite]

Oh absolutely

Invis db was like 60% of bank it lobbies in s1

[slow linden]

I think bank it might be somewhat responsible for cloak being gutted,I liked playing and fighting cloak

[chilly granite]

Grapple sr84 was not good in bank it

[slow linden]

Even dB I have no problem with

[chilly granite]

Idk I doubt they prioritised bank it in any balance decisions

I've heard that invis was a huge problem in high ranked cashout

But yeah I actually like how cs1.6 sprays worked

[slow linden]

So ruby was to blame? So again dogshit balance

[chilly granite]

You have multiple patterns that are randomly selected when you start spraying

But you can recognize and compensate for it

[slow linden]

The what?

[chilly granite]

I mean invis is both shit and annoying now

[slow linden]

I like invis,I find dash way more annoying

[chilly granite]

1999 counterstrike

So the AK has two diagonal patterns; one and up and left, one up and right.

When you start spraying, you gotta recognize which direction it's recoiling and then control it

[slow linden]

Kinda neat for one gun but I don't think every gun should work like that or lewis

[chilly granite]

Both are op as shit and both need to get nerfed to hell

Invis, if it worked consistently, would still be op as shit, but sometimes it just doesn't work at all

[stoic garden]

remove bow kun he's telling the truth

[slow linden]

Invis is not op its dogshit and it was mid at it's best😭

[chilly granite]

It was literally meta defining for high ranked cashout in s1-6 apparently

[slow linden]

Dash has always been op even in beta when heavy was broken

[stoic garden]

i can never agree with bow fella's light nerf ideas until heavy is dead ngl

[chilly granite]

I don't want ligth nerrffed

[stoic garden]

❤️

[chilly granite]

Destroy dash and invis and give light 180hp to compensate , ez

[stoic garden]

we already told you that aint ever happening, let me take you to the wheelchair

[slow linden]

High ranked is not a majority of the game this is irrelevant

[chilly granite]

I want grapple ligth buffed and all the bitch lites to die in a hole

[slow linden]

Also uf you've played halo at all you can just see cloak players half the time

[chilly granite]

If embark likes even numbers give light 200hp

90% of the time I see them super easy, but sometimes there's literally nothing there, that's what I mean by it needs to work consistently

My opinion: make it a fast version of TF2 cloak

200ms uncloak instead of 1s? Of spy

But true invis until you decloak

No shoot from cloak

Shooting from true invis is bullshit

And while people's screens and graphics setting vary, it will never not be true invis for someone

[slow linden]

Cloak is shit,here's me beating an m11 with post nerf sword,also literally seeing and hearing him invis and darting him to style on him

[chilly granite]

I understand why cloak is shit

[slow linden]

And I never found it annoying when it was good

Dash was always annoying

[chilly granite]

Did u play light Vs invis?

Like, invis db as a light... It's rouhh

And again, as long as graphics settings and bad screens exist, it'll always be somewhat a problem

[slow linden]

Yes,both on grapple and invis myself

I main dB,throwing knives,matter and dagger on light,I occasionally run sword

[chilly granite]

And cosmetics affect invis too

You play every single light weapon with a oneshot combo from invis and don't want invis to be nerfed curious

KEKW

You also play the weaponsthat are low key weakest on invis

You should try lh1 sometimes you might understand why lh1 invis was meta

[slow linden]

I'm aware a default or form fitting outfit is better with cloak,I've played with and without the meta outfits and done good or bad it's not that big a difference

[chilly granite]

Invis becomes exponentially more effective the further you are away

And all Ur weapons are high cqb weapons that to varying degrees need or want dash more than invis

[slow linden]

I play lh1 occasionally because I like battle rifles,but I don't like them in the finals,I used v9s when it wasn't meta,haven't touched it most of this season because I am often anti meta

[chilly granite]

Lh1 is a lot more fun now they made the visual recoil less vomit inducing

[slow linden]

Anything I hate fighting I don't typically use myself,but have used enough to hate it more

[slow linden]

Also matter only has a one shot combo on light and throwing knives are really annoying to use against automatics because they're a semi auto projectile weapon

Matters shit anyway

Really wish it got more love

[chilly granite]

That's why they both depend on dash, and why Invis will feel unseprowed with them

Meanwhile lh1 can three tap a med and 4tap a heavy from invis in an instant

At50m no less

If S10 doesn't buff matter I'm gonna riot

[slow linden]

I use shotguns with grapple

[chilly granite]

It's my beloved piece of shit

I absolutely adore it but it's soo bad if you don't have dash to compensate for it's simply awful damage

I play it with grapple too, I hate playing dash, feels like a cop out

[slow linden]

Throwing knives yes with cloak,but if dash is enough to make mediocre weapons meta competing then it should not be in the game

[chilly granite]

Its not so much that, it's that dash compensates especially well with their specjfic weaknesses

[slow linden]

Dash is the tool of a coward,grapple and cloak are based

[chilly granite]

Its not dash that makes mediocre weapons meta competing, its dash makes dash-synergetic mediocre weapons meta competiing

Dash should not be in the game in it's current state anyway

The best example is the xp54, it has no dash synergy so even dash can't make it meta, you're better off running invis or grapple with xp54

I don't think cloak is particularly manly, but dash is indeed cowardly

[slow linden]

Same thing pretty much,we're onto semantics at this point and all things said and done dash needs to go

[chilly granite]

Dash synegises with three categories:

Cqb weapons

Cooldown weapons

Quickmelee combo weapons

Tks are cqb and cooldown

Matter is all three

Bow cooldown and qm combo

[slow linden]

Light should get a drone spec,like a drone you can fly around and it has a shitty little gun on it or maybe you can flash people with it

[chilly granite]

They just need to give dash an actual cooldown so it's evasive dash not evaisve speedhack

[slow linden]

Winchclaw needs to go it's killing heavy,dash needs to go it will eventually kill light

[chilly granite]

Like, dash has too little cooldown, so instead of being a dash, it's an insane reposition tool, insane gap close, and it can make you impossible to hit for even some of the best aimers in the game

Give it a full second cooldown between dashes and its literally fine

You cant just get out of jail for free

[slow linden]

You can cheese people who are blatantly cheating with dash and winch

They must go

[chilly granite]

There's reworks that make them fine

But they need to be reworked to some degree

Anyway I gotta sleep Im gonna try grind dia tomorrow

[slow linden]

Ones that make them completely alien from what they are

Winchclaw needs to be turned into the rope tool from gmod or completely removed

Dash needs to be limited to one dash and have its distance and cool down doubled or tripled

[slow linden]

If they do not receive reworks they must be excised so that the game will live

[frosty token]

Dash has been due for a rework and I'm sure Embark has been trying, but the cooldown is too low for them to force the rework/nerf dash CC.

[viscid carbon]

tbh they're probably gonna nerf dash the same way they did demat, just remove one charge lol

[languid sage]

take out cl40 and roit

[vocal stone]

Imo would be fun if they added some bug-themed bundle. Like T-pose emote, place-holder texture weapon skins etc

[indigo nexus]

I had a dream that showcased the new S10 weapons and gadgets. Here's what we are getting:

• another flamethrower. It looks different to the current one, long and thin, I think it's on medium
• another flamethrower. Shorter ranged and more damaging. It's on heavy
• basically a copy of the pike except it sets you on fire, for light
• an RPG alternative that shoots a fireball that works like a pyro nade

Also a brand new map, it's basically kyoto though

[heady kindle]

Those are called nightmares

[indigo nexus]

that’s the one

[tardy light]

why so much fire

[slender bear]

Hyped to see what Alfa Acta has planned for weapons and what CNS has for specs/gadgets

CNS is definitely bringing at least one spec, and I'd be surprised if Heavy didn't get a weapon from Alfa Acta again

I honestly kinda want to see an amped turret rework from Alfa Acta and some kind of deployable hack for light, Turret would become usable and Light would get some deployable utility (which would be very fitting for a CNS spec)

Turret gets stronger in most situations but it can temporarily be turned on you with another spec, while Light in general gets some insane versatility (hacking turrets, glitch traps, maybe even lockbolts, sonar nades, mines, sensors, and healing emitters) in some unique situations (heavily dependant on opponents), at the cost of giving up Dash/Grapple

[chilly granite]

turret is too good already the pproblem is the ergonomics

and the problem with thhe ergonomics is that the ergos are hard to fix without making turret gamebreaking op

cns is probbaly bringging fixed recon senses and thermal vision

hacking gadgets would never be a light spec

thematically, medium is the "hacker" class

[compact tundra]

Goated dream, lets make this a reality

[compact tundra]

God I hope so

[kindred gorge]

Turret is honestly in a good spot, it's another threat for an enemy to waste time, health, or a gadget on at worst, and a 4th teammate at best. The only thing I would change about it is some way to not be so weak to goo, either having it break overtime (like when it hits players, just over a longer time) or having it continue to shoot at an opponents last seen position after they duck out of range so that it can do some damage if it gets blocked by goo or a barricade or such

I feel like people treat it like it's so much worse than it actually is

[compact tundra]

I feel like that's cause people don't use it smartly, they just kinda place it places and watch it get shredded and then call it bad cause the turret can't 1v1 a heavy. But if you use smart placement and use your turret for different scenarios rather than just on the cash box it actually ain't that bad

[compact tundra]

Tracking dart sword? My king does thou know the combos

[indigo nexus]

I can’t explain dreams :p

[compact tundra]

No it's ok, it doesn't need explaining cause that dream is peak

[chilly granite]

my wishlist:

• general

  • Healing nerf
  • fire buff: cerb is already strong, if fire was strong. Pyro nade is insane, if fire is strong. Fire is just ass.
  • goo nerf
  • better glitch gadgets for M/H (glitch gun for med nulli counterpart, and glitch mine for heavy)
  • Smoke buff (consistency + duration + cooldown)
  • flash gets application consistency improvements, and the fade time is nerfed

• heavy

  • shak, sa nerf
  • winch, mesh, rpg nerf
  • Lockbolt -hp +application
  • all gadgets activate on contact to shields
  • spear buff/rework

• light

  • dash nerf
  • invis reblanced for more invisible but a fade before attacking
  • matter buff, it's awful without overpowerd dash
  • vortex, null and breach buff
  • thermal vision returned
  • m11/arn/v9s recoil/spread nerfs

• medium

  • Better sources of breach. A c4/breach charge equiv wouldn't be terrible, but simply improving breach drill would be nice.
  • hp nerf, so med can actually get buffed without being instantly broken
  • one of their existing weapons, or a new weapon, with lh1/akibo breakpoints. Probably best as pike rework.
  • repeater goes projectile

[muted condor]

Another essay of slop

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739374141370794018/1475903356227555430/Image_1771953159827_838.gif

[chilly granite]

I reformatted for clarity

[chilly granite]

at least it's farm fresh organic slop and not ai slop

[muted condor]

AI lowkey cooked with its balance suggestions

[gray rampart]

What point of nerf every aspect fo the game?
Its just gonna make everything less fun

Half of the nerf of yours is for stuff that not even in often use

[tardy light]

do people post ai balance suggestions lmao

here are my balance suggestions guys:

Nerf Medium dominance (FCAR/AK meta)
Reduce damage consistency or add clearer tradeoffs—triple-Medium comps still define high-level play

Rework healing stacking (heal beam / sustain meta)
Lower stacking efficiency or add anti-heal—current sustain makes fights drag and invalidates breakpoints

Buff underused weapons to increase variety
Only a small subset of weapons see real play; expand viability instead of micro-nerfing meta picks

Light survivability tweak (slight HP or damage smoothing)
Lights get deleted too quickly by common weapons; reduce extreme TTK spikes

[muted condor]

No we were joking around with Ai once asking it to balance the game as a joke and it actually has better answers then most the troglodytes in #👂┇game-feedback

[tardy light]

tbf game feedback is really just a salt vent forum

people lose a match then run to it to release stress

"NEVER LET SWEDISH PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF BALANCING"

this is in game feedback lmao

[muted condor]

Tbf Swedes shouldn’t be in charge of anything

[compact tundra]

Shit it fucked up

God dammit I just lost like 20 minutes of work

[muted condor]

Add less spaces

[compact tundra]

Fucking bow-chan didn't get blue balled

[chilly granite]

I did like 5 times

I edited it a bunch to dodge teh censors

hahaha

[compact tundra]

I will put you in a dress mister

I got blocked again with like no spaces, I hate this fucking place

[median olive]

This is Discord's automatic spam blocker, unfortunately we can't do much here except report it as a mistake and recommend to split the messages up

[compact tundra]

Honestly thanks man just for responding. I kinda wish they'd drop the spam filter cause it doesn't really stop it too much as feedback shows sometimes, but there's probably a lot of spam it does block and I don't have any experience moderating so maybe I'm smooth brained

[median olive]

It does stop actual spam, but yeah, the downside is that long messages may get caught too

[edgy estuary]

Yeah can’t take 99% seriously in there. Most are just skill issues in denial.

Or blaming Embark for their own under performing setups/internet

It’s probably a punishment at Embark to have to read that channel

[compact tundra]

That one I understand a bit more cause I still see server issues occasionally but it's not too often anymore, I do wish they'd upgrade their server provider, tho that would cost moolah

[tardy light]

i could never be a dev without pr cause id talk so much shit

[edgy estuary]

Yeah I do get lag every once in awhile, but then usually the others in the lobby are also lagging, but as soon as I upgraded my internet and laptop basically all of it stopped.

Not like season 7(?) where it was just symbols constantly

[tardy light]

switching from wifi to ethernet eliminated lag for me... i saw somene complaining about bad servers and i asked what internet they use and they said satellite... ofc its not their choice but u cant blame embark lol

[edgy estuary]

Exactly, got people playing on like 7 year old shitters on a hotspot and expecting smooth games

[compact tundra]

Yea the problem for me is people in areas where they can't. In America it's not too uncommon to live in a place where internet providers are extremely limited to the scummier providers and they take advantage of the local monopoly. The only provider in my area is spectrum and they are absolute cheeks

[edgy estuary]

Yeah of course it isn’t their fault, can’t help where you are based, and the NA servers seem to be less stable than the EU servers, but it is when they just instantly blame the servers like it is something that Embark fix

The game is only going to become more demanding though, especially now they don’t have to make it run on Ps4

[indigo nexus]

Currently afaik they're using AWS servers, what would be the upgrade to that?

I don't really know which games are considered better, so I don't really have any reference

[stoic garden]

i dont want more melee weapons..

[alpine sphinx]

melee weapons are by far the most fun, and offer relatively easy counters so i dont see anything wrong with adding more variety

the maps are mostly very focused around long-mid range encounters so its not like any new melee weapon will shift the meta super much unless its something completely outrageous

if anything, i'd want a melee weapon that has a place in high tier play

[stoic garden]

what im saying is that i'd rather get something else, but who knows, maybe the modular head concept is interesting enough

[neat bolt]

WHAT THE HELL DID I SAY

[paper plaza]

Have you seen the trailer today

[gray rampart]

I hope its something for a M class bc it doesn't have good melee

[heavy tendon]

I’ll be really sad if the mace is just a skin for the riot shield or something

[shell sonnet]

sledge if anything

its probably a skin, similar to dagger
would otherwise break the "2x melee weapon for each class" thing we got going on
and idk how mechanically different it could even be from sledge

[heavy tendon]

Or that too. I don’t mind sledge but it has so many skins

[shell sonnet]

we cant really afford a balance situation like riot vs dual blades

[shell sonnet]

true, but its also makes it more likely to get the next skin

hmmm, compound bow skin maybe?
since its modern medieval?

[heavy tendon]

I’ve been thinking about a new melee for light. Something like the Jackhammer from Ultrakill

[gray rampart]

H is always get more stuff 😔
More specs
More body types
More interesting gadgets

[heavy tendon]

Their greed sickens me. I want more medium and light skins

[shell sonnet]

oh no
scary

[heavy tendon]

Not really. If you don’t know how to use it you might as well be tickling them

[shell sonnet]

...wouldnt that just be basically "dagger, but speed instead of back"?

would be too easy to abuse with free speed from dash/grapple im afraid...

[heavy tendon]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking, maybe put it on medium instead?

[shell sonnet]

i hope we get a roman combat shield one day
with like a gladius

[heavy tendon]

But meds have no real way to go fast unless it’s some bounce pad on wall shenanigans

[tardy light]

Mace kinda op. they need to nerf it

[shell sonnet]

if lights dont actually explode into coins, i dont want it! /j

[shell sonnet]

i mean, there you go

but i just dont think the concept really works, at least as it is right now

[compact tundra]

Oh my fucking god, is that a new melee or a sledge skin?

[heavy tendon]

I’d be disappointed if it was. Hopefully it’s a new melee weapon

[indigo nexus]

Surely it's a new melee weapon

[gray rampart]

I hope new weapon

[indigo nexus]

It wouldn't make sense to put so much effort into marketing a skin

[heavy tendon]

Probably for medium. Too small for heavy and too big for light

[heavy tendon]

Tbh though they did do something similar for a minigun skin.

[amber plinth]

Bonk

[sudden pewter]

JUNIOR MY FUCKING GOAT

[gray rampart]

BOINK melee for L would be fun

[heavy tendon]

L already has sword tbh

[sudden pewter]

Gotta be a weapon bro. Alfa Acta fans (me) eating good

[compact tundra]

I think it is cause they show other mace heads which would indicate other skins

[somber python]

I think it might be a medium specialty low key

[sudden pewter]

I hope that’s the case, but it seems like the heads have different effects. I’m praying they QA’d and playtested this shit

[heavy tendon]

Maybe other modes for the mace? Like a multi headed mace

[somber python]

It could also be the right click switches the comfig on the mace

[sacred cypress]

I really hope that mace is for heavy with a shotgun ot some firing option in it

[sudden pewter]

Wrong game

[gray rampart]

Maybe you could switch heads in combat
For example general head and some head you can lunch with a 30s reload time

[heavy tendon]

Like in overwatch with Bridgette?

[sudden pewter]

I knew “Ranged Melee” would happen eventually but I didn’t expect a horde of yellows (again)

[compact tundra]

Melee is actually getting some fucking love I'm so God damn excited, I'm going to kiss Oscar on his fucking lips

[chilly granite]

selfhosting

idk if valve provides it as a service, but valve's servers are rock solid too

but I think self hosting is the right choice. Long term it's cheaper and they just had massive cash influx from arc raiders

[sudden pewter]

Hopefully it’s getting love. I can’t imagine them dropping a new melee weapon and it not being overtuned. If it doesn’t come with the long awaited melee rework for other melee options I’ll be very disappointed

[shell sonnet]

would be a shame if we didnt get a pitchfork spear skin as well now though

[indigo nexus]

it better come with the spear fix, or I'll be forced to send another message in game feedback about it!

[shell sonnet]

i mean, they set up the horde with player models and everything, right?
so surely its prepared now

[indigo nexus]

But, do you think it would be more reliable? It seems like it would be quite a big project and I don't know why it would turn out any better than the current situation

[gray rampart]

First week new weapon gonna be a overpowered nightmare or useless trash
Spatially with melee

Cant wait

[amber plinth]

For clarity: one head are splitters that explodes shortly after impact, one is a regular mace's head and the third head has poison tips. Now all it rests is to clarify if it is a weapon or a gadget

[sudden pewter]

I’m sure we’ll see/hear more about S10 in more teasers releasing up until launch. Hopefully we’ll learn more about changes/additions beyond just weapons/gadgets. QoL should ideally still be happening

I can’t imagine it’s a gadget.

[chilly granite]

almost certainly, the same money can buy much nicer self hosted servers, and aws seems to be going downhill fast

eve's self hosting was excellent

[amber plinth]

The splitters head is the one you see exploding on the mannequin head

[indigo nexus]

the raw quality of the servers isn't the issue, though? At least, for the complaints I see. It's generally about packet routing

the servers only run into performance issues when there's an abnormal amount of destruction going on

[winged junco]

I would quit unless it did no dmg

[winged junco]

How would it be a gadget

[sudden pewter]

Yellows.

Deadass in the video “no reloads, no recoil” but a yellow still hopes they can launch the head smh

[ripe matrix]

I hope is something to replace the spear or others and no a third new meele weapon for a class

[sudden pewter]

• No way the spear would be replaced
• There are no classes in The Finals. There are archetypes/weights.

[indigo nexus]

why??

[neat salmon]

Heavy gets Mace, Medium gets Vector SMG, Light gets crossbow s10 right there

[faint steppe]

Are these weapons "confirmed"? Because another Medium SMG that soon seems unlikely

[gray rampart]

officially, according to rumors

[neat salmon]

We just got 60 seconds of Mace cutscene. That makes sense for heavy. I know we just got the p90 on medium, but I don't see them giving Light an SMG that would be too similar to the M11. Vector .45 ACP with drum mag or smth wild fits the CQC home self-defense theme. And we all want xbow, seems like a different enough alternative to the recurve bow for light and fits with the supposed medieval theme

Or that ends up being a paragraph of copium by next week, we'll see what happens

[gray rampart]

When was last time Light got a new weapon?

I started playing in the end of s8 so idk

[chilly granite]

s6 arn?

[tardy light]

bow-kun will u ever share with me the secret smoke tech u alluded to

[gray rampart]

Maybe mace is for light?
Bc we got new weapons for a M and H in s8

[deft swan]

Kriss Vector for light would be awesome IMO. I don't know how the balancing would be since light already has 3 smgs

[tardy light]

3 smgs?
m11 xp... what third smg o.o

[lost vector]

I think that the current meta would benefit from some new melee weapons like brass knuckles for medium or something like a great sword for heavy and nunchucks for the light

[tardy light]

bruh nunchucks

[chilly granite]

we are getting a mace

go look new video

[deft swan]

Oh shoot I was thinking of arn my bad

[chilly granite]

this shit is gonna suck

idk i dont think any new weapons need to be added

in my opinon most niches are already covered, the medium needs a lh1 equivalent and light needs an fcar/lewis equivalent, but that exists and it's called arn and just needs to be rebalanced around 23 bullet damage

[tardy light]

M and H need projectile weapons >:(

[compact tundra]

Mediums LH1 equivalent is the pike and lights F-car/lewis equivalent is the ARN

[chilly granite]

crossbow on medium and longbow for heavy would be nice

[tardy light]

i want throwing axes for heavy

[chilly granite]

@compact tundra they're not true equivs though via different damage balancings

Akimbo/lh1 both 44/88

fcar/lewis both 23/34.5

akm/m60 both 20/30

[lost vector]

Yeah ,it would be really good but then they'd need to make it distinguish able from the normal bow

Maybe quicker reload for crossbow and increased damage over range for the long bow?

What do you guys think ?

[ripe matrix]

I think the for the H a longbow would be to much for long range, and the dev had already told that they don't want the H class to be good at long range

[tardy light]

proceeds to add bfr

[ripe matrix]

Yeah, infact they had nerf it using this excuse

[muted condor]

All new melee will continue to suck until embark fulfills the promise of a melee rework back in season 5

[ripe matrix]

The problem with meele weapon is the or are too good or are useless

[muted condor]

The problem is embark is ass at making meaningful changes

They are running the servers on literal potatoes and the balancing team is a single intern they aren’t even paying

[sudden pewter]

Ping is obscured intentionally because if we learned just how bad the servers were we’d riot

[gray rampart]

Is it THAT bad?
I constantly hearing that melee is sucks rn, but I started playing in season 8 and got diamond in this season relevantly easy

With a sword

[muted condor]

Hammer, spear, and sword are the only ones that can be usable

Even then they are C tier at best

[gray rampart]

Spear? 🥴
Isnt is most weak melee?

[muted condor]

Goof balls that don’t know how to use it would have you think so but it actually beats hammer in 1v1s now

Dagger is just fucked, riot shield is so inconsistent it’s not worth trying to learn because you’ll die to bull shit, and dual blades are finally not completely broken and shit but still suck

[tardy light]

i think riot isnt that inconsistent

[compact tundra]

Riots fine? Dagger can be hella inconsistent but it's inconsistent to both your detriment and benefit

[tardy light]

but i agree that dagger and blades are questionable. i still think sledge > spear

[indigo nexus]

to your benefit how?

[compact tundra]

Most the time yes, but spear has some good combos against sledge and can win that fight

[gray rampart]

but it hits are sooo slow...
I think if they make it a bit faster it would be much better

[tardy light]

dude spear vs sledge is not the way to determine which is a better pick lol

99% of the time when u bring it ur fighting guns, not other melee

[somber python]

Spear has better range which is why I think its better, sledge does have better damage at once tho

[muted condor]

Spear has a better TTK now surprisingly

[tardy light]

sledge's ability to travel through walls is unmatched tho

[compact tundra]

Uhm i thought you were responding to the message snale just sent about spear beating sledge in a 1v1 but aight

[muted condor]

Goo making spin deal no damage is the only reason it’s not the best melee

[tardy light]

sorry i mean a viable pick for a game not for melee matchups

[gray rampart]

There is at least 1 ruby team with hammer, but 0 with a spear
And i relatively often see hammer in high plat and low dia, but never seen spear

[somber python]

I think in terms of melee v melee im hoping this new weapon is for medium cause I think there melee is the weakest by far

[tardy light]

sledge is like free stall

[muted condor]

If they actually fixed the shield hit box then I might have to try it again but I haven’t been paying that much attention to it

[tardy light]

shield hitbox was broken temporarly when they tried to change it then they reverted it after like 1 week

[muted condor]

And the revert was also fucked

[tardy light]

idk it felt normal to me

[muted condor]

I don’t know if they ever fixed that

[indigo nexus]

I'm not aware of any long-standing fixable issues

[muted condor]

I’ll have to try it again

[compact tundra]

The shield itself is fine they just changed the hitbox in accordance to where it sits on your screen when not held up. Basically just making the hitbox more accurate to your screen when crab running

[fringe glacier]

Chat what medium gadgets should I run in ranked ?

[somber python]

Ill try to make it to plat then :p

[rustic torrent]

I'm so excited for the Mace

[tardy light]

goo/pad/defib

or altgernatively whatever tf u want

[rustic torrent]

Medieval season PLEASE

[muted condor]

Another mid weapon that will never get properly updated 💯 🔥 🔥 🔥

[fringe glacier]

What do u think of any mines for defence on cashout?

[gray rampart]

Problem with a hammer that you need a team for that
Its more team dependent then sword for example

[rustic torrent]

What the last guy said, Pad is synonymous with Zipline, and Goo can be changed out for either mine, but generally go with the goo, defib and pad, gives the most well rounded playstyle

[fringe glacier]

Ok thanks

[muted condor]

Drop the defib

[tardy light]

they will just not stand on them

[fringe glacier]

True dat

[rustic torrent]

Do not drop the defib

[muted condor]

Fuck defib

[somber python]

I main spear but yeah the same applies you kinda greed the team into play certant ways sometimes

[fringe glacier]

I would never it's too goof

[muted condor]

Crutch ass gadget

[tardy light]

so is rpg, do u hate that

[muted condor]

I prefer c4

[tardy light]

u can bring both

[gray rampart]

I would be scared of you
I tried to main all melee weapons and spear feels weird

[muted condor]

Not necessary on any of my load outs

[tardy light]

no gadget is necessary if u dont care about optimizing

[vapid surge]

[muted condor]

RPG isn’t even optimal
It’s not bad but not that important

[tardy light]

rpg is that important lol

[muted condor]

Dome is the better comparison to defib

[tardy light]

dome is up there idk which is more "essential" at least u can drop dome with melee

[muted condor]

The difference is it isn’t fucking annoying when a random takes it and throws the match because they don’t know how to use it unlike defib

[tardy light]

thats a bad teammate issue not a defib issue tho

[muted condor]

The defib is just a cancer on the game and should have gotten the stun gun treatment in season 1

[tardy light]

i can easily throw with grav cube, goo grenade, and more

[muted condor]

I like how you don’t even know what you’re talking about

Zero comprehension

[tardy light]

what lol

ur defib hatred is unfounded thats all, im trying to show u that by comparison

no need to resort to insulting me, that's very rude and uncouth

[muted condor]

It’s an annoying gadget and it’s pretty obvious you crutch with it

[gray rampart]

its not that deep

[tardy light]

um yes, i crutch with it by using a meta loadout to win games, thats how meta works, and im not ashamed to be a meta slave

[muted condor]

Medium is nothing with outs the most annoying gadget in the game and doesn’t deserve it

[muted condor]

This guy probably still loses to Cerb and mini gun players

[tardy light]

this guy resorts to making weird unrelated claims when his beliefs are challenged

[muted condor]

This guy relies on crutch equipment to get mid results

[tardy light]

what is mid to u? maybe to a pro sure. but hitting diamond was a personal achievement

could not have done it without DEFIB

though, i mostly played heavy anyways, but a couple of games on medium when team needed it

Though, u are, in fact, the #1 defib hater. congrats

[muted condor]

If diamond is an achievement im afraid you have very low standards

[stoic garden]

idk what else u expected lol

[tardy light]

whats ur RS buddy

[muted condor]

Good question id have to play to see that

[muted condor]

That’s me

[tardy light]

how can u make that claim then. u might be hardstuck silver and woudnt even know

[stoic garden]

im hardstuck gold!

[muted condor]

Bold claims require high levels of self confidence and delusion

[slow linden]

No I am a sword novice and nothing more

[faint steppe]

Nah, Diamond is solid especially when playing SoloQ. And we don't have to downplay personal achievements

[stoic garden]

so humble

[tardy light]

i didnt solo q fuck that i used #lfg channels based awesome teammates

[stoic garden]

so you're delusional?

[muted condor]

Toxic positivity will not help this man

[stoic garden]

ur just toxic

[rustic torrent]

Why are you guys giving into rage bait.

[stoic garden]

if people arent willing to listen and understand just end the conversation cuh

[faint steppe]

It's in no way toxic positivity. It's a fact that Diamond is a good rank if you look at where average players rank

[tardy light]

on this server i cant tell whats rage bait and bad takes anymore

[muted condor]

I play this game solo of course im delusional how else am I supposed to stay some what sane

[faint steppe]

It's definitely more fun and better for your sanity

[rustic torrent]

They are synonymous

[slow linden]

I like it Picasso

[muted condor]

You have to gas light yourself to actually have fun in this game

[stoic garden]

that must suck, i play games i enjoy with no brainwash needed

[rustic torrent]

Dang, I just enjoy the game. Seems like you should not be playing if you dont enjoy it

[tardy light]

most people on this discord seem to despise the finals and embark

[indigo nexus]

I would never play a game I did not have fun with

[stoic garden]

i kinda despise embark but i do find the finals pretty fun

[rustic torrent]

I would. I did. It sucked. And so did all of my teammates

I'm talking about Overwatch btw

[muted condor]

What if it isn’t bait
What if they truly is my dog shit opinion

[faint steppe]

Not really the case. But criticism simply makes for better discussions

[somber python]

I feel like spinning is the weirdest thing. Alot of the times spinning will put you in a worse position than you may have all ready been in

[rustic torrent]

Nah.

[slow linden]

Speak for yourself,sure embark doesn't run things right but the sandbox (that they keep taking the sand out of) and concept is enough for me to have fun with

[rustic torrent]

Yeah but a lot of people arent being critical. They are just being assholes

[muted condor]

I despise embark for being sell outs and not knowing how to make meaningful changes to the game

[stoic garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802158933262204938/1428634261912551484/attachment-3-1-1.gif

[muted condor]

Forgive me for my transgressions

[gray rampart]

But M1 attack that not killing L with 2 hits is diabolical

[muted condor]

That’s why you spin cancel

[faint steppe]

Those people are ultimately just part of any online discourse. But still, this server is by far one of the best. Especially considering it's a (competitive) multiplayer FPS. Because those are usually completely useless brainrot

[muted condor]

Also when is embark going to fix spin hit detection

We literally know what the problem is embark
It is fixable
There is no reason for it to exist for over a year

I will continue to take 15 trigger nades into PvE lobbies in AR until you address the elephant

[indigo nexus]

I would guess low priority + some technical complexity to it

[somber python]

Yeah its fucked up, it puts them to 5 tho so a breeze can take em down and if you winch or charge in to them its joeover for the light

[muted condor]

To busy making the chinals 😔

[rustic torrent]

Fair enough. Still a lot of toxicity going around for no reason. Especially with a dwindled playerbase, I see a lot of times that newer players get bullied for simply not knowing things and that drives people away

[gray rampart]

So you are just an asshole for no reason

[muted condor]

No I have a reason

It’s fun to blow up free kits

I will take your stack of metal parts and 3 rounds of light ammo for myself

[rustic torrent]

Eh, you'll be put in pvp lobbies eventually

[faint steppe]

Yeah, that's sadly unavoidable. Let's hope the next season can generate enough hype to bring back more people. And considering this season supposedly had a huge influx of newcomers I hope they expand on the "recruitment" system (although that's probably just going to be a bunch of smurfs ... rip)

[muted condor]

It’s super easy to get back into pve
Takes less than 10 minutes

[rustic torrent]

I just want verification for ranked. I'm tired of seeing level 13 people dominating lobbies like they have 3000 hours in the game

[gray rampart]

Its some loser behaviour to get into PvE lobby to kill people who didn't even expect to fight

[faint steppe]

Definitely needed for competitive integrity. But regarding the overall health of the game "smurfs" in casual modes are probably even more damaging.

[muted condor]

It’s easy gear and 100% part of the game. Expecting people not to play the game in the intended way is loser behavior

[rustic torrent]

Look at this guy point and laugh at this loser

[rustic torrent]

Fair, smurfs in general are just bad and I would 100% agree to connecting my phone to my account, but idk that could turn people off because "muh data is being collected"

[gray rampart]

So you can't fight normally and just killing yourself 10 times to fight someone who is doing quests and weaker than you
LOSER

[muted condor]

Laugh all you want I have the loot

[rustic torrent]

Dude, cope harder

You're manipulating lobby balance, thats not intended. You arent doing anything intentionally except being a jerkoff. Bait used to be believable

[muted condor]

Just put your rusted gears in my bag bro

[muted condor]

If it’s not intentional why did embark make it so easy to do and design the game in a way that makes it the most effective way to play

[rustic torrent]

Lmao

[muted condor]

The only fare fight is the one you lose. It’s called gaining a tactical advantage

[rustic torrent]

Fair*

[gray rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/4lokogangemperor-rage-bait-ragebait-china-lore-gif-7803056600524123396

[rustic torrent]

Look at this guy. Trying to post gifs. Point and laugh

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-emdeb-fail-failure-cat-gif-16703817715131368982

[sudden pewter]

I’m PRAYING we hear news of the melee rework but my left nut is tingling and my right knee itches, so it’s likely we’re due for another weapon teaser before hearing about reworks or QoL because the mouth breathing monkeys that need jingling keys to maintain interest in games crave new toys

[rustic torrent]

This guy doesnt know

[muted condor]

@sudden pewter I’m fucking board and these people get worked up to easy

We need to play marathon sometime

[sudden pewter]

We do

I’m looking forward to playing Cryo Archive later tonight but I just got some 3 day old kittens that need to be fed every 2h

[muted condor]

Darn

I need to finish my quests still. I got distracted by HD2

Also my brother and some buddies are making me play Over Watch again 😔

[slow linden]

WE need to marathon sometime

[muted condor]

Wait you play it?

[slow linden]

I need to figure out the perfect budget builds to hit the minimum value requirement

[slow linden]

Yea

[muted condor]

Hell yeah. I lost the two guys I played with because they play Diablo

[sudden pewter]

Same

[slow linden]

New expansion out?

[slow linden]

I play it too just not very avidly

[muted condor]

Yeah new season started for it last week

[slow linden]

Fuuuuuck I'm going to need to make a new seasonal guy,maybe I'll play druid this time

But that will not be for some time,Martin and finral season 10 will keep me busy

[celest plover]

whats like the meta heavy weapon?

[muted condor]

Shak, SA12, or BFR

[slow linden]

Lewis,sa1216,shak,bfr take your pick

[muted condor]

Lewis is meta now?
I’m out of the loop

[restive plover]

what yall think bout mace

[meager prism]

so in season 10 heavies are getting a mace? like come on they gotta admit thats just lame

[meager prism]

Lazy imo

Not to mention Embark said that season 9 was more of a "filler" season, so that season 10 could thrive with a load of new things. And we're getting a stupid mace???

[slow linden]

The 1 damage buff made it meta competing at least but it takes too much skill to actually be meta

[compact tundra]

So like what's lazy about it? We know next to nothing besides it is a melee weapon, and it might have changeable mace heads

[slow linden]

I am ready to bludgeon heretics not blessed by goo to death

[muted condor]

Another weapon that will for ever be mid because embark doesn’t know how to make anything that isn’t a auto or poke weapon work

[slow linden]

He's just a hater

[compact tundra]

I'm so hyped, I hope the heads are exchangeable. And I hope so badly it's on medium

[meager prism]

Whats lazy about it? Think of a scenario where you have to choose a weapon, from literally all the guns and melee irl, and you just pick a mace. Like don't you see it?

[muted condor]

He’s a hater because he doesn’t see the vision
I’m a hater because I don’t trust Embark
We are not the same

[compact tundra]

The one where it's fun, and like if it's on medium that doubles my chances of picking it

[meager prism]

I'm not a hater, I'm a weapon racist

[slow linden]

Also you said something about dart combos with sword earlier???? I was just styling on that guy I wasn't doing no combo