💣┇weapons-gadgets

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-swole-gym-lifting-yoked-gif-27561206

[zinc obsidian]

the pike is gonna be nerfed for sure next season but why not buff the scar or ak so that it becomes and equal to useful pick for professionals to use more then. It obviously doing something better then the other three as pike and Famas are doing amazingly compared to the other being used

[viscid carbon]

I simply cannot subconsciously control the FCAR’s recoil lol

The AKM meanwhile has zero recoil when abusing the recoil compensation mechanic

So the fact that you need to hit your shots with the FCAR gets further exacerbated by that wonky section in its recoil pattern

Why does medium have to have these annoying ass patterns when light and heavy guns basically all just pull straight up (except the lewis after holding fire)

[ember condor]

is it just me that i always thought that the xp had a 1.75x headshot multiplier

[sudden pewter]

It isn’t that hard bbygrl

[viscid carbon]

It’s annoying

[frail quarry]

Is there any new weapons tm ?

[sudden pewter]

At least two weapons teased. Nothing confirmed until the morrow

[frail quarry]

Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sudden pewter]

Praying for a Light deleting revolver. Everything else is just icing

Hell, give me a net gun that sends the IRL Light player to the shadowrealm

[muted condor]

Imagine they play us for absolute fools and these teasers aren’t related to new weapons at all

[tiny glen]

chat what do u guys think about a octane from apex stim like on medium as a spec. medium loses 50 health and doesnt have demi. tho stim is now on riot shield. but that would make drill used too

[tiny glen]

I hope its on light, but i deep down know that shi will be on heavy

[muted condor]

Actually a stim that increases mediums movement speed for a short time would be amazing as a dual blades player

[sudden pewter]

I’ve had a long discussion with chat, they want to tear off your skin.

[muted condor]

Hold on let this cook for a little bit

[sudden pewter]

No! Speed boost stinky and smelly and selfish!

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-adam-warlock-dont-be-rash-will-poulter-marvel-gif-7269497775167346680

[sudden pewter]

A speed pad however….

[tiny glen]

yeah same. but riot is there... I thought about same speed as light

[unique gust]

They would never give heavy a weapon that can one shot light, but light is free to have it of course

[tiny glen]

I can defib u faster

[muted condor]

Never defib me please

[tiny glen]

does sniper 1shot hs light?

[sudden pewter]

So true bestie 💅

[unique gust]

Sniper, SH1900, dagger

[unique gust]

There you go

[sudden pewter]

God forbid the glass cannon be glass 😔

[tiny glen]

light can 1shot each other

[muted condor]

Slightly brittle cast iron cannon

[unique gust]

Yeah they think that makes it acceptable

[tiny glen]

I think that too

[unique gust]

Dagger can also one shot medium and leave heavy in a comma

[muted condor]

I miss old rpg

[tiny glen]

dagger 1 shot rare af tho

[unique gust]

Not really

[tiny glen]

at least i ve never seen one

[sudden pewter]

Lights getting way too comfortable having low TTK’s, counter gadgets & mobility.

[muted condor]

Another day thanking embark for leaving the dagger in a shit state

[unique gust]

You haven't come across a good dagger main in your lobbies you're still getting the new player treatment

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182330547234684989/1397081229911785552/kJXz8C18O6bQyrWiq_ZLcTUyDyU8Udwn3h2YsveA3.mp4?ex=68c1af09&is=68c05d89&hm=f19beac47aa7d5904cd92992db9e8981ae99d8ab56b335e46e93cd61451f4fb9&

[tiny glen]

good for me then

[unique gust]

Not for long

[muted condor]

Also double barrel is to forgiving

[sudden pewter]

This is the frame I died btw

[wispy bloom]

is it? cuz i swore the dash cheeses the client/server for easier backstabs

[tiny glen]

seems fair

[unique gust]

Look again

[wispy bloom]

yup just like that lol

[sudden pewter]

Congrats on green.

[unique gust]

I'm green

[wispy bloom]

literally tracked him the entire time

[sudden pewter]

Light was never behind me, within my LoS the entire time. And I still get backstabbed.

[honest thistle]

why green?

[muted condor]

One of us one of us

[unique gust]

Why white

[tiny glen]

probably, idk i have never seen dagger and I dont even plan to use it

[sudden pewter]

Every time I post that clip some worm wriggles from the soil and says “Erm actshually you just got outplayed and dagger is totally fine”

[unique gust]

Dagger has a lot of melee assist on mouse and keyboard

[wispy bloom]

hey, shouldve looked into the future and tracked him before he got "behind" you

[tiny glen]

what about bow?

[unique gust]

I know it because I've used it before

[sudden pewter]

Erm you should have just kept your back to the wall so actually it’s your fault you got backstabbed from the front

[unique gust]

Oh yeah that too, throwing knives too

[honest thistle]

thats just the way i was born

[sudden pewter]

Shame.

[tiny glen]

luckily I just play a bit of sniper

[unique gust]

sorry for your loss

[tiny glen]

u prefer me to play anything else from that list?

[unique gust]

Nah just play Arn and you shouldn't get called any slurs I think

[tiny glen]

I play m11 arn too

[sudden pewter]

Of course you do. Filthy Light

[wispy bloom]

if only there was all chat...

[tiny glen]

I play medium and heavy too

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-gif-5080568167377406268

[wispy bloom]

i wanna see all the people im pissing off

[unique gust]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-and-jesse-pinkman-handshake-walter-and-jesse-handshake-gif-12675755010462311397

[tiny glen]

I play dual blades revolver and minigun

akm and m60 too

[unique gust]

I'm sorry for doubting you, go be a good teammate.

[tiny glen]

but today I mostly played light

[sudden pewter]

Give me the ability to disable the chat filter again. I miss banter

[sudden pewter]

𓀞 𓀟𓀅
𓁆𓀣 𓁏𓁀
Curse of Ra

[tiny glen]

oh 😔

I hope the revolver is for light even tho i know its for heavy

[wispy bloom]

as long as it isnt a heavy sniper

[tiny glen]

light needs a big pistol

[wispy bloom]

wouldve had satan on the field in every game

[tiny glen]

like 1 deagle or a revolver or a flintlock

[tiny glen]

no thx fr fr

I just dont see heavy using a revolver ngl

[wispy bloom]

i see it, they already have the akimbos but that revolver will be so busted

[sudden pewter]

We’ve had that discussion so many times it should be pinned

[stoic garden]

honestly i'm just waiting on a pike nerf so esports have something mildly more interesting to show

[tiny glen]

when do we get season preview?

[unique gust]

I played medium and light today

[sudden pewter]

I couldn’t give a rats ass about ESPORTS or the Major. I’m hopeful it brings in more meat

[wispy bloom]

it invokes true fear in the hearts of lights and mediums alike...

[tiny glen]

same

[unique gust]

A bit of MGL here and there too

[sudden pewter]

Tomorrow

[tiny glen]

how many hours

[tiny glen]

whats that

[unique gust]

The launcher

[tiny glen]

the heavy one? shi is soo ahh

[arctic remnant]

Should heavy have a sniper or a marksman rifle in the first place I wonder, not many long range weapons for heavy

[unique gust]

My sweet little child

[unique gust]

I thought you were AI Burger man for a second

[hexed tulip]

why does the the anti-gravity cube have a circle aoe

[wispy bloom]

better stick to the shak and akimbos 😭

[unique gust]

Idk the weapon might not be for you

But it has been for me since S4

[tiny glen]

never tried it. and I wont try it in the nearest time

[unique gust]

Honestly give it a try

[tiny glen]

no have to try other things before that

[unique gust]

I used to be a light main before I started using it

[arctic remnant]

Tell me your MGL32 wisdom how do you reliably hit shots that will bounce

[unique gust]

You just have map knowledge

[muted condor]

Pray

[tiny glen]

I ve played w a mgl user and he clutched a 1 v 2 and then ressed me in head 2 head

in close range

[arctic remnant]

You think heal beam should be buffed or the healing gadgets to be nerfed, if we were to buff it maybe heals for the user, more capacity or some sort of gas and fire res for the receiver

[muted condor]

We do not want a heal beam buff

Just nerf H+

[arctic remnant]

To be nerfed?

[sudden pewter]

Tomorrow

[tiny glen]

its already tomorrow for me dude

[sudden pewter]

Go to #game-announcements , your timezone is taken into account for the time given

For me (NA East Coast) it’s 7:30am. For you (Poopoo Land) it could be different

[lost plume]

bro unlocked secret east coast timezone

[lusty rampart]

beisde pike whats the tier list for medium weapons?

[sudden pewter]

Everything I don’t like in F tier, everything I like in S-B tier

[tiny glen]

for poopoo land (apparently italy) its 4.30 pm

[spring spear]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-today-gif-14731534949278669964

[spring spear]

Famas is 2nd best, fcar 3rd

[sudden pewter]

It’ll release at 4:30pm 👍

[spring spear]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-cancelled-gif-9661562198263154049

[sudden pewter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/1097649450748485692/D5655EF1-3B38-4B60-90F8-AEACC1BD8957.gif

[spring spear]

https://tenor.com/view/update-no-update-no-more-updates-gif-3470407786722281006

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[lusty rampart]

what melts heavies

[sudden pewter]

Minigun

[spring spear]

Famas and pike

[sudden pewter]

Not even going to bring up Revolver??? For shame

[spring spear]

That one depends on the range, famas and pike beams them across the map

[tiny glen]

get light a big pistol like a revolver or 1 deagle or a flintlock.

[sudden pewter]

Nah get Light a cigarette and a one way ticket for the MAID program

[tiny glen]

💀

[arctic remnant]

Repeater ;(

[open wyvern]

Im bored

[spring spear]

that ones just a worse pike

[open wyvern]

Am I the only person that sees a heavy and starts running

[arctic remnant]

Depends, and its not running it repositioning

[open wyvern]

Cause like I use light with sniper

So if I miss any shot I'm cooked

[open wyvern]

Noo I mean running 💨💨💨

[arctic remnant]

That heavy is going to eat your teammates alive you no team helper sniper

[open wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/siklawi-gif-6373612701674213840

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-emdeb-fail-failure-cat-gif-16703817715131368982

[open wyvern]

Yh

[open wyvern]

It is

Sniper is support from long range

[open wyvern]

Can I post this on my tiktok account?

[shell sonnet]

Not my clip, i just wanted to have this here to find it easily

[open wyvern]

Ok

[arctic remnant]

Sledge main ❌
Googun main✅

[open wyvern]

What did he actually do?

Explain please

[shell sonnet]

He shot goo in a way that intercepts the planned movement when using the jump pad
They loose a lot of their speed, dont make the jump, and fall to their death

[open wyvern]

Okk

[iron fog]

Does glitch grenade interrupt Cashout steal?

[cunning slate]

Valid question.

[iron fog]

I get people saying it does and people who say it doesn't, never tried myself

[sudden pewter]

No

It does not block LoS, it just disables gadgets or specializations.

[lavish niche]

Can you customize the sight on your gun at all because I thought I saw someone with a sight matching their gun skin but I may have been tweaking

[sudden pewter]

No, sights cannot be customized. The only custom sights are those that exist on skins. Such as the DISSUN FCAR

[iron fog]

K thx

[lavish niche]

That's the exact skin I saw thank you

[cloud oar]

I wanna see heavy get a fliegerfaust type weapon think that would be cool

[wispy bloom]

anyone that doesn't use jump pad or zipline on medium have a good reason why?

[eager wasp]

there isn't one, the only reason is that you are not using it is you are in lower elo and can get away with it not being as important, zipline is a flex slot but you should just about always have jumppad

to get your heavies/team around or just you in general, gives you much more ability to move around on maps

[worldly maple]

Can’t wait for tomorrow

It’s gonna be hype!

[muted condor]

Because planing your load out around randoms as a solo player it a bad idea

My medium is a 100% selfish loadout

[polar cedar]

no lmao
even if you don't work with your team, it's still worth choosing for quick rotations and taking height

[eager wasp]

i very much dislike the mediums who run no jumppad or defibs bc 90% of the time they aren't good enough to be trying to pull this lone wolf shit, its a team game and unless you are gonna be carrying an unbelievable amount you should be running them

[polar cedar]

jump/zip is arguably more of a must-pick than defib

[silver bay]

Give Medium a MANPAD to lock on lights and remove them from the match.

[eager wasp]

defibs! not healbeam woops, idk why i typed healbeam i was thinking defibs

[polar cedar]

all g, I got what you meant

[eager wasp]

jumppad and defib are the must picks, zipline is a decent pick for if you are stacked but i think is less important in soloq, i would at times much rather take goo grenade or something of damage or a gadget that counters someone in the lobby

soloq its hard to make use of the zipline bc the team are a bit silly sometimes and its really only for me which i can just like, get use outta somethin else

[wispy bloom]

i swap to zipline if im on kyoto since theres so much obstructions in the way, still doesnt help tho
hate that god damn map

so if you're solo queuing and you get double lights on your team, would you swap defibs for anything else?

[eager wasp]

i mean if you are petty sure bc fuck double lights, but usually i just keep them bc i could always get a quick revive if need be, out of everything on medium, if you had to pick one, defibs always

[muted condor]

Ngl defibs are crazy over rated

Especially when you have a heavy team mate

[lost plume]

I used to love defibs but they aren't great after all the nerfs

[wispy bloom]

its not even cuz i hate double lights, its just how they respawn with so little health i cant see the benefit when you could res them in a safe place

[eager wasp]

the use of it is to have a revive that you don't personally have to be there for which gives you time to do some damage by hopping back into a fight and then getting your teammate out there, you aren't supposed to be reviving your teammate out in the open and if you do atleast goo them off from wherever the enemy is to give them somewhat a chance

[tawdry pine]

Any new gear s8?

[shut bane]

Two new weapons no clue on specs or gadgets yet

[tawdry pine]

Good enough thanks man 🫡

[polar cedar]

p90 and .500 bfr

[worldly maple]

Excited for tomorrow

[sacred scroll]

Defibs are great as a soloq , I can use my teammates as meat-shields more often

[worldly maple]

See y’all on the arena

[ember vine]

helo is there anyone pls help me

[tacit fog]

EMBARK, GIVE THE P90 TO THE MEDUIM(plz not the light dear lord)

[worthy wedge]

finally started to get good with throwing knives, watch them give it a fuckin reload today

[tiny glen]

its p much 100%

[viscid carbon]

Seeing how Embark’s been treating medium lately I really wouldn’t be surprised if the P90 was a light weapon

[tiny glen]

get light a big pistol like a revolver or 1 deagle or a flintlock.

[viscid carbon]

the bfr is 100% a heavy weapon

[eager wasp]

what does that mean

[tiny glen]

what is tht

[viscid carbon]

one of the new guns

[tiny glen]

the revolver?

[viscid carbon]

.

.500 BFR

[tiny glen]

ohhh yeah... I hope the revolver is for light even tho i know deep down its for heavy... I just dont see heavy using a revolver ngl

[tacit fog]

imagine a tiny light with the massibe pistol

[viscid carbon]

that thing would be like half of its body lol

[tacit fog]

would be epic

[viscid carbon]

would probably have knockback too

[tiny glen]

light needs a big pistol tho

[tacit fog]

p90 is my favorite gun and light is my least favorite class so im kinda nervous about tomorrow

[viscid carbon]

Bean what do you main

[tiny glen]

it will be 100% on medium

[tacit fog]

heavy mostly

but support medium when i dont feel like it

[viscid carbon]

istg if they don’t rework/buff anything about medium in s8 I’m gonna switch to grapple light or smth

[tacit fog]

revive the model honestly

[viscid carbon]

medium main no more

[eager wasp]

medium isn't even that bad

[tiny glen]

medium just needs a fun gadget

[viscid carbon]

it’s boring and outclassed at everything

[tiny glen]

and they need to fix dual blades deflect

[tacit fog]

famas still deletes tho

[viscid carbon]

93r

[eager wasp]

pike is good, famas is good, fcar is good

demat is very good, defibs are good

[tacit fog]

healbeam could use a little love but not much

[tiny glen]

pad is good

[viscid carbon]

I mostly see medium if it’s shitters with cl40 or riot shield

Everyone’s just playing light and heavy feels like

[tacit fog]

nah support meduim is fun as hell when you have a friend who can play heavy well

[tiny glen]

riot shield should explode when I feel like it ngl

[viscid carbon]

the hitbox is annoying asf

shitbox if you will

[tacit fog]

heh

[tiny glen]

I play demat medium with revolver or dual blades

[tacit fog]

revolver is also a very good support medium weapon we call it "the clean up crew"

[plucky spade]

Demat getting nerfed

[tacit fog]

prob not

[tiny glen]

how do u know?

[viscid carbon]

is revolver ever worth using over pike?

[tiny glen]

yes

[tacit fog]

pike is more forgiving but revolver is better when you learn it

[viscid carbon]

pike is so inconsistent for me

[tiny glen]

pike is so boring

[viscid carbon]

and I hate the reticle

[eager wasp]

just a guess considering is the only spec used on med past gold users who still for some odd reason use turret

[tacit fog]

thats fair but thats kinda how the balance it

if pike had the red dot it would be busted

[tiny glen]

they should buff the others, cos demat is balanced

[viscid carbon]

imagine they give it the rds in s8

[tacit fog]

it would be epic

[viscid carbon]

honestly there’s no reason why the pike shouldn’t have access to more sights, the rail can for sure mount all of them

[eager wasp]

if rev was better to take than pike it would be meta, fortunately and unfortunately pike is meta however

[tiny glen]

honestly I see both turret and healbeam as gadgets ngl

[viscid carbon]

naaaah

[eager wasp]

bc it shouldn't be as good up close

[viscid carbon]

in fact I think infuser should be a spec

[eager wasp]

iron sights help mitigate it a little bit and noone even really uses the iron sights bc longer range scope is just better

[plucky spade]

Long time coming and the playstyle video showed a different demat implementation where it took time to dematerialize walls

[tiny glen]

hell nah

[tacit fog]

turret is ass and gets counterd by 8 things

[viscid carbon]

that or they nerf it, prob the latter

[tacit fog]

NINE THINGS

[tiny glen]

jus nerf it a little and it sould be a good gadget

[plucky spade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1ncyl3a/looks_like_demat_is_getting_nerfed_in_s8

[tiny glen]

what is this gameplay

[plucky spade]

bro it's a preview

goofius gooberius

[near scroll]

good

now that demat's been touched, it's time for winch and dash changes surely :clueless:

[tacit fog]

What the hell is wrong with winch

[plucky spade]

A lot

Getting winched around the corner, winching through shields, winch stunlock

[near scroll]

every heby close range weapon died so winch could live
and the combination of utility to play objective while also being an absurdly strong tool to use in a fight is too much rn

the change i'd like to see is a charge up mechanic that dictates range

[plucky spade]

Make it equippable

[polar cedar]

winch should be able to break if it grabs someone through cover

[plucky spade]

It already does, but it's a bit too forgiving imho

[viscid carbon]

engage in the obligatory akm vs fcar vs famas debate

[plucky spade]

famas is the best

[obsidian nexus]

there better be a 93r nerf in the patch or ill lose it

[olive topaz]

any nerfs or buffs coming to the throwing knives or bow season 8?

[ornate scaffold]

We don't know any of that yet. In a bit over 4,5h we will

[gritty smelt]

me, seemingly the only medium that runs heal beam now

[gritty smelt]

i mean it really just comes down to preference
i know the famas is better than the fcar or the ak, but i still pick them because i perform better with them

[nimble knot]

same

but I run famas in tdm, akm in wt/cashouts modes in fcar in terminal attack

[gritty smelt]

the fact that you mentioned TA just makes me tweak

[vocal stone]

What if they removed h+ infuser as a light gadget and made it as a second mode of the mediums healbeam? Like, somewhat of a tradeoff: you can either heal with a steady slow beam without aiming, or you can heal really fast but you need to actually aim

[gritty smelt]

give medium its identity back

[vocal stone]

Yeah, I'm talking about that. When you launch the game for the first time - it says that "medium specialises in healing" and then you see how light instaheals heavy with not even a specialty but gadget. It's confusing and kind of defeats the purpose of both medium and light with this healing meta imo

[gritty smelt]

thats what ive been saying since every class got heals
and medium got a breach that literally no one uses

i was disappointed to say the very least

[slender wind]

omg youre right i totally forgot breach drill even existed

[gritty smelt]

thank you for proving my point further :3

[grand turtle]

Breach drill instead of heal grenade for the support class :C
After the flashbang nerf, it became even worse than it was, which is hilarious.
Just need to turn for a milisecond and the flash does literally nothing.

[cyan rose]

Do you think if you made the gravity vortex also attracted bullets and rockets straying them from their original path it would make it more viable?

[frank sorrel]

It's would make it broken

[plucky spade]

Hell no it wouldn't, it would just be another dome shield

[gritty smelt]

i think they should do it then
give medium a gadget like lockbolt or rpg

[shell sonnet]

i mean, if its both bullets and explosives, then at least nobody gets to shoot through it
so it wouldnt create another aps situation

but i doubt that easily done with hitscan

[gritty smelt]

and heavy can get a panzerfaust

[gritty smelt]

it would be pretty much impossible with hitscan
the bullets dont travel, theyre simply registered

[cyan rose]

How would it be broken? It would pretty much be a 6 second temporary APS that no body can accurately shoot through

[frank sorrel]

Dome shield sounds right to you? for a light? Considering the short time it takes for their regen

So a dome shield, a steal preventer, and a aps all at once, for one gadget
Some of yall don't think straight

Not to mention, it traps heavies and medium

I want some of that good stuff aswell 🌿

[cyan rose]

I mean cant you say the goo also does all those things? it provides cover it stops steals and with goo gun you can practically endless trap and counter any thing they shoot like an aps but goo isn't broken

[indigo nexus]

goo can be broken very quickly

[cyan rose]

The vortex only last for 6

[indigo nexus]

Misremembering I guess, it’s 7-10 seconds

[frank sorrel]

Despite all the nerfs on goo, it's still very strong.
It's overused for a reason. Lights has no business in having that gadget imo. It just makes barricade on heavy irrelevant.

Now imagine combo-ing ur idea, onto a light with dash and goos. Who in the right mind would play M or H?

Better shielding than H and already better healing than M

[versed finch]

Breach Drill is the most useful gadget. I can use it in TDM, TA, and PS and it's super helpful. It's silent, so nobody hears it and turns away, I had such a short cool down, and it flashes everyone in the breached room

If Embark wants to introduce a new gadget, it least make it so running flash bang and demat doesn't do the same exact thing

[cyan rose]

Yea that's because lights are the easiest class to kill they should have a way to defend themselves plus it wouldn't be as good as the dome shield though, you cant steal with a vortex on you and dome shield allows for potentially free damage on the other team

M don't play healing anymore anyways, almost everyone plays demat because it is the better gadget for anti cashout, off angles and traversing better with your team

[frank sorrel]

• A good light is not easy to kill. (what is dash, grapple, cloak, smoke/thermal, goo, vanish bomb, gateway... for if not for the light to defend themselves?)
• Like I said, this idea would make M and H even more irrelevant.
• Sure you can't shoot back, but imagine for a second a triple light comp. Spamming your vortex and dashes with swords. They will trap ennemies, while dash thru their vortex, fighting back with swords while being immune with the 3 vortex, and even if they're low, they just gateway outta there (or goo, or grapple...)

[red dune]

What if data reshaper made enemy turrets attack enemies

[frank sorrel]

Not to say your idea is bad. It's actually cool in a way.
But it would mess up the game dramatically

[cyan rose]

I understand your point and I see the flaw that you are talking about it just adds another thing for lights to be annoying with, at the same time triple light is usually the worst team setup and yes it would be annoying but a heavy with flamethrower and winch can usually take on a full triple light with support

But as of right now the gravity vortex is almost never played because there are other things like goo or gate way and glitch which actually add something to the fight and team to utilize

[frank sorrel]

True. It would need some tweaks for sure.
Altho i played it recently during QC (not a reference for real games in ranked or WT), and the cooldown felt mega short. So it's not as bad, but def niche. A little buff in some way would be nice

[plucky spade]

A dome shield that activates after a second or two that it's placed, and that sucks you in, and that you cannot shoot through, and that can only protect you whenever

[shell sonnet]

they nerfed reshaper back down to 2 charges because it hard counters a specialisation

this would not only still do that, but actually bring the value of another specialisation, since you now own it
alongside punishing the original owners team for good placement

not a good idea

[wispy bloom]

demat getting a nerf.. im so cooked

[frank sorrel]

Yo how u know?

[plucky spade]

Scroll up I've linked a reddit post

[plucky spade]

Data reshaper should work on dome from the outside

[silver bay]

Link again

[silver orchid]

dagger buff ?

[frank sorrel]

demat will make ||you fly around the map||

[silver orchid]

demat will w h a t ?

[tiny glen]

be nerfed

will still be the best spec for medium tho

[silver orchid]

w h y

[tiny glen]

I hope the revolver is for light even tho i know deep down its for heavy... I just dont see heavy using a revolver ngl and light needs a big pistol

[silver orchid]

demat does not need a nerf-

[silver orchid]

before we add revolvers to any other class
idk maybe BUFF THE ONE THAT ALR EXIST
it feels like it does too little damage even with hitting all your shots

im not even a m main
and i think m needs a major buff

[muted condor]

Revolver is the Goat you just have to land head shots

[tiny glen]

idk, maybe because it deincentives other classes having breach but I still think it didn't need a nerf

[tiny glen]

revolver is soo fkn fun no way u say it deals no dmg

its balanced imo

[silver orchid]

i think it should two shot lights
the ttk is too low i feel like
it does good chip damage for your team, but i feel like u need a team who knows how to play around it to successfully run it

[tiny glen]

hell nah 2 shots light would be soo op

[silver orchid]

but idk i'm a light main who runs around with a knife so
i dont know much abt guns
i kill all grun users :p

[muted condor]

It does two shot lights

[silver orchid]

i think the dagger backstab angle needs to be slightly buffed like it used to be 180 which i do agree is op, but it should be like 160-170
bc the no reg on it pmo
its so b a d

[muted condor]

Head shot takes light down to 1 hit

[silver orchid]

either qm combo or two headshots
dont it do 148 per head shot ?

[muted condor]

I’m glad dagger is still dog shit and hope it stays that way

With how the latency stuff works its a good thing

[muted condor]

One head shot then literally any other damage kills

[silver orchid]

if u die to a dagger skill issue-

u shouldnt even let a team get that close
just beam
or track me around you
if i outsmart/ outmovement u skill issue-

i dont think anyone runs dagger in t500 bc they dont even let an entire team get that close to them
let alone a singular light

[muted condor]

IMO dagger should have never been added

[viscid bison]

Yet repeater, which has more range, more rounds, actually 2 shots lights

[muted condor]

It completely breaks the class balance and simply does not work in the game

[silver orchid]

cl40 shouldnt have been added

[silver orchid]

its honestly a skill issue twin-

i cant backstab any person with half a braincell-

honestly if you already let me get close to you, just walk backwards in a circle like a plastic 4 player or put ur back to a wall/corner and i cant do anything-

[indigo nexus]

Nobody can reliably prevent themselves from being backstabbed (well, apart from theoretically another light with a loadout which gives them enough movement to stay away indefinitely)

Because of course you can be looking right at the dagger player and still get backstabbed due to latency

[muted condor]

Never said I died to it

[indigo nexus]

Anyway, it is certainly not too strong, but it is jank on both ends

[silver orchid]

just hav good movement-
its so easy to not get backstabbed
play wit ur team or put ur back to a wall
or beam me before i even get close-

[silver orchid]

meh yea
the hit reg makes me sad

[indigo nexus]

There are a couple of very good dagger players out there which make this seem surprisingly unrealistic, but yes it is not viable against a cohesive team.

[silver orchid]

sometimes i backstab ppl in the face
sometimes i sneak up on ppl and backstab and it do nothing
it sucks for everyone tbh

[indigo nexus]

On the dagger user’s end I think it’s mainly due to the rotation adjustment thing which is also the issue for riot shield right now

[silver orchid]

kaelwhale i think is the best ive seen
so is my friend @feral bane or @hasty ridge
i wish i was friends wit them :(

[indigo nexus]

Invarcel was (maybe is, don’t really know) very good, not sure if better than kael or not

[silver orchid]

riot shield hitbox makes me sad:(

on the rare occasion im using a gun
I CANT SHOOT AT THEM

[indigo nexus]

Well, might be fixed very shortly.

[silver orchid]

my friends clip but still

[muted condor]

Dying to the cl40 now that is a crazy skill issue

[indigo nexus]

This clip highlights the rotation adjustment thing very well, actually

When they start their attack animation it disables it and you can see the real position of the shield, briefly

[silver orchid]

TWIN IM A LIGHT
AND WITH THE SPLASH DAMAGE
ion die to it, but it do hella chip damage

[muted condor]

Stands still
Lets the medium melee get into close range
Complains

[silver orchid]

BRO

[indigo nexus]

It highlights a genuine issue, but it is funny how poorly they played it

[silver orchid]

it my friends clip

i think the riot would be dead if the shots registered

[muted condor]

Bro wasted half a mag on a shield when he could have walked away and ignored the shield 😭

[wispy bloom]

You just have to predict the dash instead of react but I don't know how well that works since the dagger users Ive gone against probably werent good

[silver orchid]

well it was a private match trying to clip proof of the issue-

[indigo nexus]

Yes, but the shots should not have registered. What should have happened, is that it should have shown the shield in the correct place. As in reality they were shooting directly into the shield

[muted condor]

Why do you need proof every knows about it lol

[plucky spade]

Yeah, skill issue 1000

[silver orchid]

oh i understand now-

[muted condor]

Anyone past silver knows that’s how the hit box works and acts accordingly

[indigo nexus]

Pretty much, but the degree by which you have to predict it depends on the latency at that given moment which is unpredictable, and you can never fully predict when they’ll dash

[wispy bloom]

the way he just walks up casually 😭

[silver orchid]

when i use a gun or even the sword i can shit on a cl40
but not with dagger bc all the jumping plus splash damage plus 150 hp

[silver orchid]

fr bro jus pulled up T-T

okay but can we agree if you’re running light dash/grapple and get backstabbed in a 1v1 situation thats a skill issue-

[wispy bloom]

That might be true but I just dont believe a dagger user can reliably get a backstab off you if you're strafing at an angle while you're ready to predict them

But again, I never gone against anyone thats cracked at it

[indigo nexus]

Reliably, no. But some of them are very precise and good at moving unconventionally

[silver orchid]

the one thing i do to every light is to dash/grapple bunny hop over their head and overhead stab them
most dont predict that

[wispy bloom]

Only people i see getting those type of stabs are them god damn tf2 spy mains 😭

[silver orchid]

twin ive never played tf2 T-T

[wispy bloom]

yea WTF is that oml

[silver orchid]

i think dagger might be the easiest weapon in the game

[wispy bloom]

might need to add tf2 to your practice buddy, the tech those spies have invented are insane

[silver orchid]

easy rank up
takes 10-20 hours to master
then its just
grinding up

[indigo nexus]

Sounds like we need a dagger nerf

[wispy bloom]

dagger definitely isnt the easiest weapon when double barrel is right there

[silver orchid]

i have less then 500 hours and have touched diamond with it this season

[silver orchid]

shi u right

u wont see me high on those leader boards rn tho bc at the end of every season me and my friends speedrun bronze

[muted condor]

I just hope they never buff dagger, leave that shit at the bottom 🙏

[silver orchid]

i think i'm like 21k all the way from 43k

[wispy bloom]

atp I think i might try dagger, i've been trying to master double blades but that demat nerf might just cook them

[silver orchid]

speed running bronze is so funny

[silver orchid]

i can help you :3

[wispy bloom]

ive never touched light man, its gonna be hell 😭

[silver orchid]

i can teach you the ways in like 3 hours if ur down
am finishing up a project rn but i'll be done in like 3 hours

(if the servers are up)

[wispy bloom]

nah im not learning them just yet but lmk any tech you might have for when I do

[muted condor]

Sadly dual blades are the worst weapon in the game atm but they are extremely fun

[silver orchid]

just @ me when u decide to try it

[silver orchid]

fr

[wispy bloom]

feels like propaganda when I say this but then wipe an entire team afterwards

[silver orchid]

we need a dual blades buff

[wispy bloom]

idk what they could do to buff it without making it broken, like deleting the final hit animation

[silver orchid]

i think it needs a very slight buff, bc ive seen someone master dual blades and make them look like they actually do dmg

[wispy bloom]

they do deal decent damage to everyone except heavy, that anim cancel against them just isnt fast enough

[silver orchid]

i think its really bad, and should be made into a mastery weapon, just like dagger

[muted condor]

Remove the third hit, fix the reflect at close range and give medium some for of independent movement

Also fun fact dual blades have been in their current state for over half of the game’s life time. But remember embark cares about melee

[wispy bloom]

problem with removing the third hit is that it reduces the skill floor, now your max damage combo would be like 360 with 3 m1s and quick melee instead of 280 with quick melee.

[silver orchid]

i luv dagger <3

[muted condor]

The problem the third hit is literally pointless

Just shows that embark does not know how their own game plays

[wispy bloom]

should just increase the damage on the third hit so you can either prioritize extra damage or faster ttk

[silver orchid]

i they had a setting to dumb every animation
make everything less flashy
i get really overstimulated from the finals:(

[shell sonnet]

absolutely
even countering just 1 strong item commonly used could be enough to make it worth running with the few other things it does

[silver orchid]

@wispy bloom we should do customs :3

[stoic garden]

i like the implications you could run it with a shotgun for the full benefit of brawler playstyle

[shell sonnet]

ABBY APS 😂

[stoic garden]

but shotguns suck rn so maybe later

[silver orchid]

shotguns pmo in this game

they're supposed to be short ranged
w h y can a db do over 100 dmg to me from 30m💔

[stoic garden]

no it cant

[silver orchid]

y u h
h u h

i have multiple clips of db bs😭
like that

even if its not supposed to
it
still
does

[stoic garden]

🤔 idc

[silver orchid]

db is such a stupid weapon-

no matter what class
0.7 ttk

[junior imp]

What’s the new weapons?

[silver orchid]

p90 and revolver from what i heard

[junior imp]

Is the update up?

[silver orchid]

nah
not even the stream is up

cns kidnapped oscar 💔

[stoic garden]

shak kills light in 0.57

[silver orchid]

thats f a i r

its a heavy weapon
a light kills a heavy with a db in 0.7 seconds

shak is my fav gun
i think its perfectly balanced
its just so good

[stoic garden]

i get that db is terribly unfun to fight against, but it's almost fair to have such ttk when the range is so low

i hope it gets some sort of rework

[silver orchid]

me to, i think the spread is too large
like
buff model spread
and nerf db spread

[shell sonnet]

if you make sh1900 spread "worse" you make it easier to 1-shot lights

[stoic garden]

depends how worse 👅

[shell sonnet]

at least for close range

unless you make it so insane you need to be actually inside someone

[stoic garden]

we need rectangular spread

[silver orchid]

like
db is so bad
that i've seen bronze players go to gold bc of it

when they do dumb plastic one shit
but it's okay bc they have a fucking double barrel 😭

[proven compass]

BFR CONFIRMED THATS A SINGLE ACTION REVOLVER

ON HEAVY

[silver orchid]

the stream finally up ?

[proven compass]

AND P90

[silver orchid]

ts alr pmo🥀

it's gonna be hella interesting tho

imagine how the new season is gonna change the major

[sudden pewter]

@muted condor THEY REWORKED AND NERFED THE DEMAT

[silver orchid]

oh hell no

[proven compass]

Seems like it’ll be the same for escaping it’ll just be worse for aggressive plays

[silver orchid]

do we think demat needed a nerf ?

[proven compass]

It was without question the best option on medium
For the sake of variety, yes

[sudden pewter]

You can no longer see through the wall on the angle you’ve dematted

[silver orchid]

:(

[proven compass]

(For about a second)

[silver orchid]

i miss ob / s1

everything is a lot more balanced and cool now
but ob/s1 ui and things brings so much nostalgia

[sudden pewter]

Holy shit this is peak

[proven compass]

P90 on medium confirmed

[sudden pewter]

Theyve changed matchmaking so matches prefer putting solos against solos and teams against teams

And the instant replay upon death is so good

[proven compass]

Head2Head permanent lets fuckingg go

[sudden pewter]

PERMANENT HEAD TK HEAD

[proven compass]

finally a way to practice final round

Holtow and Trentila confirmed

Only 2 sponsors

BFR titan and the P90

[vague verge]

Why would I ever use the ks over the bfr

[proven compass]

Destruction

[sudden pewter]

VFX Customization!!

[vague verge]

Im heavy

Missing some destruction wont do much

[proven compass]

dissun is the sponsor for the ultimate pass

BFR HAS HIGH RANGED DAMAGE

[silver orchid]

OIHQWxciohDAD

SEASON 8
LETS GOOO
IM SO HYPE

[proven compass]

One legendary, one epic on the BFR in shop

P90 HAS SIGHTS
same skins as the BFR

[hoary coral]

its no new spec in the new season:c im so sad...

[proven compass]

Fuck light mains y’all get nothin today

[wispy bloom]

gonna fry me on that dagger 😭

[hoary coral]

i mostly want 1 for medium lol

[shell sonnet]

dont have patch notes yet, right?
mightve gotten buffs/reworks

[wispy bloom]

lot of great changes but no medi gun rework

[silver orchid]

we need nothing but a nerf tbh-

[proven compass]

P90 HAS A SKIN IN THE PASS

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

[wispy bloom]

Was the nerf just an indicator? its still nearly instant right?

[stoic garden]

good job on getting the 4th sidegrade AR of the game❤️

[proven compass]

It functions identically but you can’t see through it immediately

[shell sonnet]

buffed turret?!

[muted condor]

Do we have full patch notes?

[proven compass]

THEY ACTUALLY BUFFED THE TURRET?!

[shell sonnet]

oscar said we do

[winter jay]

just cooldowns

[proven compass]

oh lame

[muted condor]

Thank god

[proven compass]

P90 has a green reticle?

[muted condor]

That’s a good start the cool down was atrocious

[shell sonnet]

might do more than i think rn...

[wispy bloom]

gave me false hope 😭

[proven compass]

it was i was just hoping for something substantial

[shell sonnet]

more disposeable, could do good

[winter jay]

it got some tiny stuff about sprinting

[muted condor]

It’s fucking over

[proven compass]

god P90 anims are nice

[winter jay]

idk 5 seconds doesnt feel like a lot, but ill have to play w it

[proven compass]

DOES THE BFR DO 190 HEADSHOT?!

[wispy bloom]

o crap i didnt see that, this might be big..

[shell sonnet]

what do we reckon, winch into revolver gonna be a problem?

[proven compass]

long ass reload

[shell sonnet]

doesnt 1-tap lights tho

[proven compass]

oh i must’ve miscounted bars

this reload seems like it’s gonna be ass

NEW SIGHT?!!!!!!!!!

[proven compass]

P90 has kobra (with the T reticle) red dot, and eotech
BFR has red dot and the new optic

[wispy bloom]

winch claw nerfed, love to see it

[woven sequoia]

Babe wake up another high dmg weapon that requires precision dropped and it can't one HS lights 🔔

[silver orchid]

@wispy bloom lets do customs <3

[sudden pewter]

WHERE MY MINIGUN ENJOYERS AT???

[compact tundra]

Ok after reading the patch notes there's a lot of good and some bad. Kinda a mixed season for me

[winter jay]

i need them to release the music that was playing when it showed in the trailer

[proven compass]

NEW OPTIC HAS A DELTA RETICLE

[shell sonnet]

holy
kinda reminds me of drg

[muted condor]

I don’t know if I’ll switch off my Alfa acta skin for it but daaaaamn

Another season with no dual blades rework, game is dead to me

[shell sonnet]

nvm, found it

[proven compass]

Share with the class bro

[compact tundra]

SEASON 8 | GAME TIME — THE FINALS https://share.google/qAuoOu3DxmdWrhVRz

[compact tundra]

Still gonna post it for everyone else

[silver orchid]

i cant wait to see the instant replay of me backstabbing ppl T-T

[muted condor]

Gotta be real, patch notes are not very impressive besides the demat and winch changes

[compact tundra]

Adding a weapon that 1 taps light on head, and in the same update adding MnK to console is kinda just gonna be ass.

[muted condor]

I don’t think it does one tap

[winter jay]

pike nerf too ig

[muted condor]

Oh nice I missed that

[compact tundra]

Kyoto got a whole rework

But why the fuck did the H+ get a normal nerf while the thermal vision of all things is getting the nullifier treatment

[silver orchid]

p90 kinda stinks ngl-

[proven compass]

THEY NERFED THE H+ BY A SINGLE POINT LMAO

[muted condor]

I was busy looking for any dual blades and spear fixes worth reading

[silver orchid]

but
its like how every light smg should be-

[pale nacelle]

Ah but you see, they may incorporate input based matchmaking (at devs, please do this)

[proven compass]

Thermal is gone holy

[compact tundra]

I'm perfectly ok if they do this but with console based matchmaking this is gonna suck

[uncut condor]

thermal + smokes is literally a free kill most of the time it had to go lmao

[pale nacelle]

I 💯 agree

[muted condor]

Please god don’t make me play with these key board nerds

[weak kernel]

every time medium gets a close range weapon the cycle of people not realizing why medium shouldn't have a low TTK close range weapon without huge caveats repeats 😭

[compact tundra]

Every class has sonar, it's not that terrible outside of ranked

[silver orchid]

WAIT THEY REMOVED THERMAL ?

[uncut condor]

with sonar you know you're being tracked, in smoke with therm you can't see until it's too late lmao

[muted condor]

Thermal getting removed just shows the crazy skill issue this community has sometimes

Winch was left for multiple seasons as is but thermal gets the axe? I hate light players but that’s not fucking fare at all

[weak kernel]

thermal's just greyed out and has a "rework" icon on it so it'll probably come back in some kind of way

[sudden pewter]

Holtow will be winning. Trentila’s rewards are ass

[winter jay]

cloak reigns supreme s8 is cooked 😔

[compact tundra]

Big agree, especially since even without smoke thermal is great for recon

[weak kernel]

okay now that medium has the typical magnum and heavy has the big, oversized single action, light gets a spammy fan-the-hammer revolver next right

[lime dragon]

Yes, have fun fighting invisible player 👍🏻

[slow linden]

They added the handcannon I've been begging for I'm going to ospuze

[muted condor]

Guess who is going to run smokes and prox sensors on medium now >:)

[compact tundra]

I so hope so. I want a hipfire based, super accurate, quick draw revolver with weaker or no headshots.

[weak kernel]

the light SAA.....

[muted condor]

Without light having thermal triple medium stack with smokes is going to be 5x worse than lights with smoke ever was lmao

[strong brook]

Ok...what's for Light then?

[silver orchid]

invis is cheeks anyway so-
its just that from long range its alright

[muted condor]

They actually had stuff taken away this season and nothing added lmao

[coral imp]

they removed it cuz it was bugged

[compact tundra]

How was it bugged tho, seemed to work as intended to me

[muted condor]

They took it away because this player base doesn’t know how to adapt

[lime dragon]

Still one of the best way to deal against it, don’t get why it got removed completely, every bug that it has was a disadvantage to the user

[exotic skiff]

it's bugged since cb1

[coral imp]

idk, thats what they said in the patch notes

[silver orchid]

fr tho

[lime dragon]

Not highlighting invisible player in smoke, behind glass, or is they have skybox behind them

[weak kernel]

the double barrel has been preserved despite people praying for its downfall so you take what you have

[muted condor]

And light already has more weapons than options than the other classes

[winter jay]

i am. db on top 🙏

[lime dragon]

Winch is x10 even more unfair (I use it) but apparently it can stay as it is

[compact tundra]

Also removing TA for H2H leaves a bad taste in my mouth, kinda proves the devs won't keep their word if they don't feel like it

[silver orchid]

frfr
i get winched thru walls
or even while im behind the heavy

[compact tundra]

I wanted H2H to stay but did we really need to remove a game mode that doesn't even siphon that many players anyways. Like we could have kept both and it would be fine

[muted condor]

As a heavy main I agree

Heavies can NOT complain this season

[lime dragon]

Truly a non sense

[muted condor]

Last night was the first time I finished a full round of terminal attack lmao

[wanton musk]

anybody know wtf is the new weapons system?

[weak kernel]

P90 seems like it's exactly what you have to do with a medium SMG to make it not miserable to play against- If I'm right about that, people will probably be unhappy with it like they were with the cerb

[compact tundra]

I play it regularly and it's pretty fun as an alt game mode when you wanna shake things up

It was a really different game mode which now we have none of

[honest hatch]

Without TA this game is wack

[placid slate]

TA was peak, embark gutted its rep in season 3 so bad they had to remove it

[muted condor]

I hated the game mode but removing it is kinda dumb

[honest hatch]

Not the players fault best game mode is now gone

[placid slate]

Like I don't see how head2head overlaps with it

[silver orchid]

THEY FINALLY REMOVED WANNA BE SIEGE (terminal attack)

when ta was ranked that was pure hell

[honest hatch]

Head2head wt quick cash and ranked are allllll the same game mode

[placid slate]

How is it wannabe siege its literally just search and destroy

[compact tundra]

It doesn't, but what I hate is that we have 4 game modes now that fundamentally do the same thing different ways while one of the only truly different game modes is gone

[silver orchid]

siege is the same thing-

[compact tundra]

Probably the fact that gadgets don't refill but still I think it's cool if your bored of normal finals and wanna try something else for a game

[honest hatch]

Yea nothing special about this game anymore

[muted condor]

Yet here you are

[placid slate]

Also bank it got removed permanently now too

[molten crystal]

How is the winch claw out of line with overly prominent impact, but the evasive dash is untouched?

[placid slate]

Dash isn't a murder button

[compact tundra]

Dash is fine just the other specs are a bit weak comparatively

[molten crystal]

Well double barrel shotgun paired with it is, but that's a whole playstyle setup

[muted condor]

Winch is a single button that auto wins you the fight every time

[dreamy sage]

Besides light can run double spec with the vanishbomb

[copper sinew]

I hope it shoots very fast and reloads fast, with being able to really only kill one person with a mag.

[weak kernel]

it's incredibly stable with basically zero recoil but doesn't really kill noticeably faster than an AR or something at a glance. It can definitely kill more than one person per mag if you're in range, the big mag seems like part of the draw

[copper sinew]

Yeah and it also allows for repositioning cashout, grabbing vaultboxes out of a throw, grabbing statues from a safe distance and a bunch more stuff with debrie.

Honestly I'd prefer if they gave it a bit more range, but nerfed the cd way harder.

[compact tundra]

Why the fuck was TA removed from private matches, fucking bank it is still in private matches

Don't get me wrong I love bank it but it feels like TA is just being deleted at this point

[placid slate]

Bank it was removed from private matches

[compact tundra]

When? I played it like 2 days ago

[jaunty shard]

we need Terminal Attack 💔 back

[placid slate]

Today

[compact tundra]

Dude why the fuck does embark hate fun so much, who the fuck cares if I play private matches of bank it or TA

[copper sinew]

Dunno what to think about it, will have to test it myself tomorrow.

What I wanted from an smg was more of a dump a mag to kill an reload for a more rythmic playstyle. Like with the model, but hiding between kills rather then shots.

[placid slate]

Takes effort for maintenance or something

[shell sonnet]

something about people then going private and not playing main modes
which delays matchmaking etc.

i dont think it would be that much of a problem...

[compact tundra]

We go private cause they won't let us play the damn game modes

[weak kernel]

a pick weapon like that is kind of light territory, I don't think they were going to give medium a "get a quick pick, hide, pick again" weapon with range again after buffed cerb

[stoic garden]

that's literally xp54

p90 can do a little bit more with a bit less range

[compact tundra]

Oh my God why is dead go boom back, they literally hate melees at this point

[copper sinew]

I mean I would never expect it to kill noticably faster. It is just with ARs you have more of a run and gun playstyle, where you should really reload when you are empty or near empty and try to push people even with half a mag.

A change up in playstyle would be nice with a new weapon otherwise what is really the point.

[stoic garden]

it's probably the dead go boom with the throwable bombs

i hope at least

[compact tundra]

I haven't played that one, how does it work. I just remember early dead go boom that turned sword into a kamikaze weapon

[faint steppe]

It will be. Heavy should never have such high damage and range. It's ridiculously overpowered imo

[stoic garden]

basically dead people turn into timed bombs that explode after like 5 seconds, throwable like barrels and deal around the same damage as a frag

[copper sinew]

It is so much better. When people die they drop a bomb that explodes after like 5 seconds and you can pick them up and throw them around

[placid slate]

Realistically sa winch will be a better strat than it

[compact tundra]

Ok that sounds fun

[stoic garden]

it's really fun

[weak kernel]

I said they should just turn dead go boom into that a long time ago and I'm taking credit for it

[faint steppe]

Probably but the burst potential and longer range are insane for a Heavy. But I agree SA will be more consistent

[copper sinew]

I think pretty much everyone said that around the time that event dropped.

[weak kernel]

it's stable and spammy with okay-seeming hipfire, I could see it being fun to run- but part of the problem with introducing weapons that change up how class plays it that a class' weapons typically play that way because of class balance, like if you give heavy a sniper rifle suddenly the tank who wins every even 1v1 doesn't have range restrictions

[weak kernel]

Yeah I'm kidding it was a pretty clear solution

[ember sigil]

So I guess thermal vision is never coming back 🤡

[pallid timber]

Was thermal really that op?

[stoic garden]

unlike weapons such as repeater that have range and slow fire rate that allows peek shooting, you have to expose yourself a lot to do good with the p90 due to being a high mag automatic with nearly m11 range

[proven compass]

Give it 3 seasons

[pallid timber]

It's pain

[copper sinew]

Yeah but like medium has a similar playstyle already with the current Cerberus and somewhat with model. What I imagined for an smg would be trading a bunch of the burst, general damage volume and the ease of meatshots for some range

[stoic garden]

i think it'll be balanced

[muted condor]

If the P90 is a hip fire beast I know what my new load out will be

[weak kernel]

I dunno if I'd call it a "beast"

[muted condor]

P90, smokes, prox sensor , jump pad
Gonna make them regret removing thermal lmao

[compact tundra]

Man this season fucking sucks for casual and for lights. Heavy now has a better KS-23, medium has an SMG, and we lose the fucking thermal vision

[dreamy sage]

Not op but buggy, it was apparently easier to remove and rework than to fix live?

[left sage]

The numbers don't work out great for it with winch, most combos leave someone on a sliver of hp

[stoic garden]

ur doomposting too much, heavy's revolver aint gonna outclass the beast arsenal heavy already has

[tepid furnace]

Thermal gonna come back as a self-nullify

[weak kernel]

also giving heavy a handcannon is Cool

[stoic garden]

medium's smg seems mostly balanced, it starts sucking at range pretty bad, do mind the big mag tho

treat it like m11 but more dangerous (cuz med has 100 more hp)

[weak kernel]

I'm leaning on it underperforming a little considering the ARs are right there and do comparable damage with better range, could be annoying for light to deal with the big mag and accuracy

[compact tundra]

Brother we now have 4 versions of Cashout, powershift and tdm, Thats it. light doesn't have jack new this season, while heavy and medium get new weapons and one of them 1 taps lights on head. Bank it and TA were removed from private matches so I can't even enjoy alt game modes in fucking private matches. And the removal of TA means they're ok with breaking their promises if they feel like it so I have even less faith in whatever Melee reworks there cooking up

[muted condor]

You might actually see the ARs with the pike nerf

[muted condor]

I’m a bit disappointed as well, we didn’t even get any knight armor

[stoic garden]

new destruction system:
really good kyoto improvements that benefit light a lot:
pike and demat nerf:
thermal vision dead so cloak is 5% more usable:
apparently more optimizations (please):
the incredibly mind opening chance to play other classes:
live killcam reaction:
probably other things i forgot, oh yea, lh1 is meta again

[winter jay]

They saving that for the shop

[jaunty shard]

we need Terminal Attack 💔 back

[stoic garden]

the monaco improvements look great too

[worthy wedge]

you genuinely cannot play a l;ight against p90s

[weak kernel]

pike and demat nerf alone make this a Good Patch™

[dreamy sage]

THe revolver don't one tap to head though??

[stoic garden]

it doesn't, it deals 148, exactly like medium's revolver

[jaunty shard]

we need Terminal Attack 💔 back

[compact tundra]

I get there's a lot of good but them breaking their word on TA actually pisses me off, don't promise something if it's going to go out the window the second it's more convenient to do so. And I genuinely hate that their regulating private matches so much when they insist on keeping game modes to a minimum in the actual game

[cunning jasper]

Rip pike

[dreamy sage]

As far as i know it's only two weapons that one tap light to the head and they're both in lights arsenal. Sniper and Bow right??

[cunning jasper]

They got my boy pike, we ain't 3 tapping lil fellas no mo 😭😭😭

[stoic garden]

i really agree but i also really dont give a shit, never liked TA, bank it should come back tho

[dreamy sage]

I could never get Pike and LH1 to work for me, something about the firing rythm? (insert skill issue excuse here)

[viral flume]

Revolver, CL-40, slug shotgun(heavy), sniper, bow

[stoic garden]

those do NOT one tap

[viral flume]

That’s all I can think of rn

[stoic garden]

only sniper and bow, revolver can one tap plus quick melee if they headshot a light

the others do not in any case

[viral flume]

Lowkey missed the one shot part I was jsut thinking of quick ttk guns that’s my b

[ember sigil]

😭🙏 gonna be so garbage lowkey. It would just be an invis bomb but worse

[shell sonnet]

maybe theyre keeping it for a true medieval season?

[stoic garden]

s9 needs to time travel to the dark ages

[tepid furnace]

dedicated "i can't take this shit anymo" button

[worldly maple]

YES! This looks awesome

[exotic oriole]

who is we because I don’t see the we here

[stoic garden]

realest shit a white role ever said

[copper sinew]

Does it deal the same damage to body as well or does it have a smaller headshot multiplier?

[pastel locust]

Maaan light got nothing :/

[stoic garden]

nope, bigger bodyshot dmg, iirc it's like 88, let me see

[worldly maple]

Light's got more guns than anyone else, gotta give the other builds an opportunity to catch up

[stoic garden]

98

[copper sinew]

That's nice at least it will two shot lights unlike the medium's revolver.

[scenic forge]

i just wanted a buff to its acuracy in the air but i mean i'll take a damage buff to lh1

[stoic garden]

it's got long reload and slower rpm to balance out

[worldly maple]

Oooh, Not gonna be enough to switch me off of the M134 though

[stoic garden]

i love minigun too much...

[copper sinew]

Wish they have gotten a new spec tho. Some well implemented self-defence one would be good.

[proven compass]

Can anyone get a screenshot of the new magnifex sight?
it’s on the LH1, famas, cb01 and a couple other guns

[worldly maple]

One of the best additions they've ever made to the heavy loadout

[stoic garden]

my Friend had some, forwarding them here

[stoic garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317185703075119165/1415356345846206656/image.png?ex=68c2e8d0&is=68c19750&hm=60aba40a2dd6f5ee075af90a932e331ce014c6df7b484ab008fcb4e826869386& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317185703075119165/1415356450716254292/image.png?ex=68c2e8e9&is=68c19769&hm=0cf84da8c23934b4319154370bf07648180b6d722d5bcbb12bb3dae1d65988e2& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317185703075119165/1415356632472227841/image.png?ex=68c2e915&is=68c19795&hm=cbf80a7ee8bebf57b5f3091f938aee3c1544f425fe7f867fa4d5475adaae123f&

[proven compass]

That pike scope is nice
honestly might drop red dot for the magnifex on the famas

[stoic garden]

yes i really like it

[proven compass]

Weird that the new pistol sight isn’t on the 93R

[stoic garden]

also true

[stray sonnet]

the first sight feels like an insult to the irl vortex, it looks so ass 😭

[proven compass]

is the point of aim the top of the triangle or the center?

oh it is a uh-1
couldn’t tell from the scar irons

yeah that looks so ass considering the irl optic

[muted condor]

Maybe, I will say some of the new cosmetics do looks awesome tho

[silver orchid]

they did everything but remove or at least rework low grav:(

[muted condor]

Low gravity is the only game event I really don’t like

[stoic garden]

more people should be informed that low grav lets you keep momentum almost forever if you bunnyhop with good timing

[shell sonnet]

i think events could be more interesting
but low gravity is actually negative

[exotic oriole]

ong bro people be like “bro low gravity is so bad” but the movement is peak

[south dew]

the p90 is to op

[silver orchid]

n o
w a y

[stoic garden]

is it

[silver orchid]

against light its good
other than that
isnt the geatest

[proven compass]

Even if it’s strong
not a chance it dethrones famas and pike in the meta as long as H+ exists

medium playing mid range is just
better than cqc

[shell sonnet]

were not complaining about keeping momentum (at least im not)
it can be cool at times

imo its just ass to try and escape someone, jump down somewhere, just to get 3 seconds of float before you actually start falling and get killed where you shouldve survived
or with jump pad turning you into a pinata

afaik, map placed bounce pads also just make you slower

[south dew]

yes way

[ornate scaffold]

P90 feels quite balanced? Or what's the early opinions?

[muted condor]

Wild take but let’s not start making calls on the balancing of a new item with the first two hours of it’s release

[copper sinew]

Most events are just "damage from the skies" and they are pretty boring. Glad they are changing up the alien invasion as that was the best one of those, it just spawned randomly on the map, often in places that were empty.

[ornate scaffold]

Quite normal to discuss new weapons on the day of release tho 😅 Felt quite balanced to me and wanna hear the opinions of other players.

[sudden pewter]

Good riddance

[winter jay]

Idk I had one game with it and spent most of it getting two tapped by the heavy revolver

Felt good when it worked though

[muted condor]

I’m not saying don’t discuss it, I’m saying let’s not come out swinging with “New weapon is over powered” after playing it for one match

[grand turtle]

P90 feels quite weak for what it offers.
I would imagine the low range makes it up with good damage at said range, but it seems to not be the case?

[meager prism]

What heavy should get any next season imo: Quad barrel rocket launcher (looks like the Lockbolt's Guerilla grip skin) that shoots arc-ed rockets which deal sort of the same damage as the RPG except it doesn't bloody blow your meat off while it only deals a sneeze to any other enemy. -Thoughts?

[ornate scaffold]

Up close I felt it was on par with the AR's. Maybe slighty better. But the dropoff was noticeable, as it should be. Not a weapon you beam across the map with (like pre nerf XP 😅)

I'm surprised it has such a fast reload considering the 50 rounds. But at the same time those rounds don't last very long.

[meager prism]

Only been overpowered since it dropped. Just decrease the magazine size or lower it's accuracy by a lot since its too fast when it comes to spray-and-pray.

[winter jay]

Since it dropped? It dropped like an hour ago

[meager prism]

exactly

[muted condor]

If my P90 does not have 51 rounds people will die

[ornate scaffold]

I personally didn't struggle against others using it more than if they use for example Fcar or AKM. Had the same time to get away or win the fight basically.

But early days so might change my mind

[winter jay]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[meager prism]

For me it feels like I'm against S1 Fcar before nerf. I still have nightmares about it.

[lime dragon]

Demat feels horrible to play now it’s great

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/peta-farbar-petr-farbar-peter-farbar-gif-15417317830124358582

[ornate scaffold]

Yeah I bet if you main heavy it might be an issue. But when I fought heavies it felt like AKM basically in how much I damaged them. And then P90 has worse range.

[meager prism]

Anyway. I'm still waiting for a new goo gun tech. Though its been 6 seasons since last.

[meager prism]

GLAD it has worse range. However its too accurate in my opininon. Atleast for a SMG. I mean just compare it to any light smg and you'll see what I mean.

[winter jay]

The xp is a laser beam

[compact tundra]

Na goo super jump was discovered last season I think, also last season someone went over how to use goo gun to fit through vents

[winter jay]

M11 is iffy

[ornate scaffold]

Idk XP is pretty accurate as well. And at the same time since P90 needs to get close you can use that to your advantage as a heavy with shield or winch (?).

[meager prism]

nah bro that was long before last season. And the vent tech is old as the book of tricks.

[pastel locust]

That new sight is kind of nuts on the lh1, opinions?

[winter jay]

You are also in prime revolver headshot range. Idk if it was the sight I was using but it felt like I was hitting headshots in the chest in the practice range

[meager prism]

All I'm saying is, that they've basically stole light's gun and gave it to a medium. Feels wrong and out of place.

[lime dragon]

Do we know if console keyboard are matched against other keyboard ?

[meager prism]

I mean if crossplay is on, pretty sure yes

[ornate scaffold]

Yeah feels a bit weird. But alot harder to close distance as a medium at least. Let's see how it develops!

[lime dragon]

Yeah but if they turn it on will it just put them against controller then ?

[meager prism]

I have a bad feeling about how it will age. I can smell the nerf from miles away.

[lime dragon]

There is nothing about input based matchmaking in the patch note

[meager prism]

uhhm. I mean you could switch to controller mid game and it won't kick you so I guess so?

[stoic garden]

i'm probably still gonna use red dot, i fear the new sight might have scope glint, i really dont want that

[muted condor]

I really hope having keyboard locks you out of console only lobbies

[ornate scaffold]

Crossplay doesn't take input into consideration now sadly. But I suggested in Game Feedback they should make that change, and hope that more will as well.

[stoic garden]

someone tell me if they find out

[winter jay]

Enough about medium weapons. Is demat still king or is heal beam a competitor (turret is still shit)

[pastel locust]

I feel like I’m hitting more shots with it, I don’t see the recoil as much

[lime dragon]

Chronus wasn’t enough I guess, seems a very fair and balanced decision

[meager prism]

https://tenor.com/view/medic-tf2-healing-cure-team-fortress2-gif-21824734 dang no gif?

[stoic garden]

i dont give a shit about the recoil, more zoom usually means more recoil, if not, whatever

[lime dragon]

Demat feels very clunky to play now

[winter jay]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-embed-fail-embed-discord-embed-gif-embed-gif-21924703

[stoic garden]

i wanna know if it makes scope glint when adsing

[meager prism]

blame it on my rank

[pastel locust]

I love the LH1, just that recoils too bouncy, I’ll test for the scope glint

[winter jay]

Is not being able to see through it that bad. Or was it how it selects walls now

[winter jay]

Only on the acog I think

[zinc obsidian]

only two charges for the wall destablzier???
did the light get a nerf on his dash count too?

[lime dragon]

Neither of those, there is now a tiny delay between the moment you switch to the tablet and the moment you can actually demat a wall, it break every inertia you could eventually have

[meager prism]

I pray for the 2nd

[sullen bear]

Do you know if the new pike scope gets glint

[winter jay]

Ah I thought that was always there. Maybe they made it longer

[lime dragon]

If you are running and want to delay a wall you almost have to stop, else you will hit the wall

[winter jay]

The new one with the triangle reticle? No I don’t think so

[zinc obsidian]

why they nerf a tool for the medium again. He still gets his shit pushed in by lights and the three charges helped meevade lights

[lime dragon]

It was, but they made it longer I feel. Just my feeling tho I might be wrong but it feels horrible to play

[sullen bear]

I think it has a red dot, but it’s the one with the drop lines under the reticle

[winter jay]

Unless it’s a long range one I don’t think there’s glint, but they might’ve changed it

[winter jay]

I’ll have to try it, I only had time for one game so far

[sullen bear]

Hmm they’re both kinda zoomed scopes so I’m guessing it has glint

[zinc obsidian]

Bruh people mad at new heavy weapon. BRUH....you gotta aim with that damn thing and I love it

[grim jolt]

Zamn p90 is peak

[ornate scaffold]

Does exactly what it should

[rich flame]

Why would they nerf the Pikes ttk against lights

[hardy dust]

Pike was the best weapon in the game vro

[grim jolt]

I think they want mediums try their best

[hardy dust]

Still probably the best and it got a sneaky 2x headshot multi buff thats wasnt in the patch notes

[faint steppe]

Heavy never plays on his own tbf but we'll see. I still think it's too strong but time will tell.

[grim jolt]

nuh, CB-01 better, if u have nice aim

[south plinth]

Good nerfs/buffs all around imo, at least on paper

[rich flame]

Wait what

[crimson fossil]

ofc the new revolver had to get a cocking function so you cant even use it with winch or melee combo

[indigo nexus]

I think the pike nerf is more major than necessary

[indigo nexus]

huh, ok, that would change things

[sudden pewter]

The only buff turret got was a -5s cooldown 😭

[grim jolt]

😭

[indigo nexus]

a demat nerf is a turret buff!!!! (but healbeam buff, so... yeah)

[kindred arrow]

cocking not being cancellable is one of the worst universal gunplay decisions in this game

it feels awful every single time it happens

[sudden pewter]

It’s not by too much, they did yet another nothing burger change to H+

Wow! From 300 to 280! Thanks Embark! The H+ is totally balanced now!

[kindred arrow]

even if oneshotting lights with a pistol after a hook makes it almost worth it

[grim jolt]

totaly

[kindred arrow]

god forbid light catches a substantial nerf in the same patch that cut medium's best gun and spec by a third each

[normal prairie]

does bfr one tap lights

[crimson spoke]

What's going on with the Riot Shield?!? Please make them like before. I can't see anything!!! It sucks!

[kindred arrow]

leaves them on literally 1 hp, the hook's tickle damage is enough to finish it

[hardy dust]

Pike did not get hit that hard 😭

[kindred arrow]

going from 3 to 4 shots to kill is a big nerf even if it's "1 damage"

[grim jolt]

i think, it still best

[hardy dust]

Unless you hit headshots, plus the new scope is pretty good

[south plinth]

• 1 shot to kill on everyone and the hipfire nerf is what it needed tho

[hardy dust]

I agree its a nerf, but not that much of a nerf

[crimson spoke]

Why?

[hardy dust]

Since it has 2x headshot multi now im pretty sure

[shell sonnet]

i think the replay system may be messing with my recording software, could that happen?

[grim jolt]

because it can punish careless heavies

[rich flame]

Did they really buff the pikes headshot damage and not put it in the patch notes

[kindred arrow]

i should point out because of natural breakpoints in the finals in any other situation the BFR is just a worse repeater

[lime dragon]

What does cocking mean in this context ?

[hardy dust]

Pretty sure

[kindred arrow]

2 shot light, 3 shot mid, 4 shot heavy, first headshot does not subtract a shot to kill

[south plinth]

Yeah BFR versus KS-23 in a head to head fight who’s winning

[kindred arrow]

literally just the repeater with more falloff, less sight options, lower magazine, way slower reload, and i think it shoots slower

[grim jolt]

okey guys I have to sleep, if mother see I chating with u, she gonna break my heaad on the keyboarwdtrayhwyfwayfvsirgytftryu

[left sage]

bfr is a straight upgrade to the ks23 in terms of fighting

ks23 just demos

[rich flame]

Another L for my favorite weapon, I'm so opressed, nobody has it worse than me /s

[daring helm]

What class gets p90?

[kindred arrow]

medium

[daring helm]

So just m11 for medium

[left sage]

i do wish they buffed ks23 hipfire so it had something over the bfr

it isnt any better than the bfr at close range currently

[sudden pewter]

Chuck doesn’t deserve such slander. It was just the H+ ffs

[indigo nexus]

They might have fixed the spear spin issue silently, but I am still in the process of assessing it

[shell sonnet]

which?
winch?
thats been fixed

[indigo nexus]

I mean hit reg

[sudden pewter]

What’s the CB-01? I’m blanking

[left sage]

ye haw lever action i think

[compact tundra]

Repeater

[indigo nexus]

I used it heavily in a full match in many scenarios where it was prone to no-regging, and it worked every time

[sudden pewter]

They buffed the repeater??? Ain’t no way

[shell sonnet]

pleasepleaseplease

[sudden pewter]

4 more outfit slots tho, hype

NGL The Dissun Minigun might replace my AA skin

[sudden pewter]

It’s so fucking clean

[timber sparrow]

Whats the p90 dmg like

[zinc obsidian]

so they nerf the claw, and aggressive heavy playstyles...WTF. Iike the heavy and they do this to him again

[jolly pine]

winch claw is still meta

[zinc obsidian]

AND THEY DIDN"T NERF ANYTHING ON LIGHT

[timber sparrow]

🐴

[jolly pine]

light doens't need nerfs

[hardy dust]

93r and h+ in question:

[jolly pine]

the only thing that need it a nerf what h infuser, and it got nerf this season

[cursive owl]

I mean they did nerf h+ didnt they

[hardy dust]

Winch didnt get nerfed enough though

[timber sparrow]

Honestly 93r only needs a range nerf

[jolly pine]

93r is not the problem, the gun has the same ttk than xp, the only difference is the burst

[hardy dust]

Its literally hard meta 😭

[zinc obsidian]

bruh heavy is punished all the time. Like they call him a tank but his health is deleted and is a big targert

[rich flame]

Light can do literally everything, the only thing keeping them in check is low health

[jolly pine]

TRUE

[timber sparrow]

Hows the p90 tho

[jolly pine]

Is because is a burst weapon, not because is broken

[rich flame]

Light has crazy damage, wallhacks, healing, destruction, mobility support, etc

[jolly pine]

use your utility, that's the entire point of heavy

[timber sparrow]

Its hard meta because it out ranges basically every other similar ttk and can be competitive in close range compared to long range weapons

[hardy dust]

Because it has super good range, damage, damage per mag, burst damage and all of light's other weapons got nerfs

[timber sparrow]

if you look at the pick rates for the competitive scene 93r dominates it

[hardy dust]

Winch is literally prime stungun but so much worse

[jolly pine]

the range is fine, the dmg is a little bit overtune but is not that bad, and it has the same dmg per mag than most of the light guns

[timber sparrow]

Thank god they looking at thermal smoke, idc if that shit was mediocre it was hella annoying

[timber sparrow]

The range is definitely the problem

[jolly pine]

Fcar has better ttk than Famas, but famas is still the comp pick because is a burst weapon

[timber sparrow]

famas has zero recoil

[kindred arrow]

famas has no recoil and im pretty sure less falloff

[jolly pine]

Fcar also has zero recoil

[hardy dust]

And by being just slightly better in so many aspects its become hard meta

[timber sparrow]

It has less fall off

[kindred arrow]

fcar has horizontal sway when shooting it, famas hardly feels like you're even firing a gun

[timber sparrow]

If they nerfed 93r range it would lowk be fine

[jolly pine]

the dmg drop off is 40%, one of the worst in the light weapon category

[kindred arrow]

doesnt v9s drop off by 70%

[jolly pine]

Higher means better

[indigo nexus]

The famas has significantly worse range performance than the FCAR.

[kindred arrow]

okay, 30%

"substantial" and its a 0.05 difference

[pallid timber]

"Dev Note: Thermal Vision has struggled with a considerable number of bugs and issues for some time. We’ll re-work it over the next few SEASONS, at which point it will return to the roster. " cooked

[jolly pine]

True, but is still the comp pick because burst is better on this game

[kindred arrow]

why do i get the feeling that this graph erroneously includes an initial burst delay for the famas before the first shot which does not actually exist

[jolly pine]

Glad they removed thermal, no more smoke thermal strat

[kindred arrow]

i was right, point blank worst case scenario assumes that the famas is a full auto rifle with its average firerate over a minute which drastically lowers its actual dps in a 1v1 that lasts a few seconds

[pallid timber]

I do admit that smoke thermal was annoying but they took one of the best gadgets from the losing class

[kindred arrow]

the famas isnt full auto, you cant calculate its ttk in a 1.5 second fight by taking its average RPM, burstfire is a major advantage in a short fight

you might as well average the damage of a sniper rifle that oneshots to the head and say it takes half of the bolt cycling time to kill someone, that isn't how the ttk math works

[zinc obsidian]

My issues was that sometimes I had people not show up at all or sometiems invis not showing in the thermal like getting killed like they were a ghost the whole time

[jolly pine]

wrong, thermal was only useful against lights with cloak/smoke, it was niche and it allowed a really ratty playstyle that was not healthy for the comp of this game

It was also really buggy and inconsistent

[pallid timber]

Yeah thermal on invis people made them disappear depending on the background i think

[compact tundra]

Thermal was a really good scouting tool that was good just in general. It allowed you to basically see everyone around you and track them easily without them knowing

[jolly pine]

nobody used thermal for scouting on high elo, the only reason you use thermal it was to counter lights or to play smoke thermal

[kindred arrow]

if you have eyes you can do that without thermal

its not like it showed people through walls like s1 recon

[versed finch]

I have to redo my light load out because my whole thing was kind of based around smoke & thermal

[zinc obsidian]

I saw earlier people complaing the new BFR is op but it doesn't one shot so calm the fuck down.
I think it needs a reload speed buff maybe since well it hits hard and doesn't one shot headshot it kinda would help it slightly

[kindred arrow]

its literally just the medium repeater

[compact tundra]

High elo isn't the entire game and from what I saw thermal still had somewhat decent pick rates on high elo

[pallid timber]

What do you mean wrong, it's my opinion. Thermal did allow a ratty play but so does other things too. And it was a great gadget for more than only smoke or against lights.

[kindred arrow]

theres no substantial difference in performance in any area

[zinc obsidian]

yeah a reload buff be nice but it doesn't replace my deagles

[cursive owl]

I'm kinda surprised deagles haven't been nerfed more

[zinc obsidian]

why I love them

[kindred arrow]

deagles are not a problem child in the way other guns are

[jolly pine]

I love bfr but the range is a little bit busted, besides that i think is balanced

[cursive owl]

Heavy does not need to have ttks that fast but whateva ig

[indigo nexus]

you are incorrect.

[zinc obsidian]

thing is I do not think a heavy is gonna waste tapping 3-4 shots on medium far away and win the fight.

[kindred arrow]

i did in fact use the wrong rpm numbers in my own math