💣┇weapons-gadgets

[tired bolt]

whats the recommended kit for all classes overall?

[grave narwhal]

Nerf h+, rework/buff turret, fix/buff dual blades,

[grave narwhal]

HEAVY- tank/defense, shield bubble or shield as main gadget , any of their weapons are fine besides sledge and spear(weak in a defensive kit) I recommend goo gun, any weapon that fire bullets, dome, health emitter and c4 for cash out defense and wall breaking.

MEDIUM- ak, pretty simple, best weapon on medium in general, any specialty depending on how you wanna play, defibrillators are a must. Jump pad (for mobility defense, denying areas, etc) and smoke grenades for anti fire, cover, and to pull last second steals.

LIGHT- burst pistol mp5 or m11, any of those three for a team comp or quick kills, dash for main ability, h+ because it’s the best healing item right now, thermal vision (to turn mediums smokes into a dangerous combo attack, and to cover while their stealing with smokes) and finally ping grenades to give intel.

[grave narwhal]

Just a reminder this is a team comp kit because I’m pretty sure that’s why you asked, it’s REALLY basic, and you can swap anything out, try it out first, it might take time to adjust depending on how you play. And this only really works if your team is H M L

Medium supports teammates, heavy is a meat shield, locks down the objectives and defends, light is the damage dealer and healer, medium and light both are more focused on attacking and stealing cash outs in This comp, not really defense, but if you run turret on medium it really helps

[tired bolt]

for sure for sure, its good to know whats good staters though

[eager wasp]

light is the info gatherer as well, helps team prepare for incoming attacks etc

[grave narwhal]

If you’re new to the game, just try stuff, the finals looks pretty simple, but with all the different gadgets it gets complicated, every weapon is (kind of) balanced so just try whatever until you find something you like, and gadgets are like that scene from ratatouille, the strawberry gives you cover, the cheese highlights people with thermal vision, but put smoke and thermal together and it’s a deadly combo with few counters, there are (tons) of examples like this, and that’s not even mentioning the Snuke type of strategies, do dumb stuff, I works more than you would expect.

[tired bolt]

For sure, I've been running the lcar and it's honestly a really fun weapon to use for med

[boreal laurel]

For newbies, XP-54 or ARN-220 for light, AK or FCAR for medium, and M60 or SHAK for heavy are probably the best weapons

[boreal laurel]

Spear needs nerfed I guess 🤣 (actually I was just bullying a triple melee team, it was glorious)

[restive plover]

I'm thinking of a rework for the torrent, I would shrink the size of the torrent and make it into a orb shape (like futuristic). I would make the turrent have special bullets and before you deploy it you can choose between the bullets. I would have a fire round, explosive round, regular rounds, and a glitch round. Each ammo type would have its drawbacks like the fire ammo type makes the torrent overheat, the glitch torrent fire rate is slower and only shoots in small burst, the regular ammo works like it always does and explosive does damage to the host also. You can run up to the torrent and change the ammo type but before it activates you will have to wait 8 seconds. What y'all think?

[eager wasp]

if they were to go down the route of different ammo types they should just have it a one and done, no changing mid round

[night merlin]

365 busivness days to reload the model..... Needs a reload buff that's it...

[restive plover]

Nerf the Riotshield pls Embark

I buy the Next Battlepass 2 times when you nerf this Riotshield

[wet musk]

Just a thought but would be interesting to give light some sort of burn gun/ main weapon. As both heavy and medium have a fire weapon, but lights don't. Idk what it would be, heavy is a flame thrower and medium is fire shotgun shots. Maybe a fire melee but that seams bit too much. I'd love to see something. I know fire is meant to be more of a light counter, as it punishes them allot more than other classes.

[lofty bramble]

https://youtu.be/mGZQDWOFc1Q?si=vcCKSXsn6shsEnR9

this should help

[indigo nexus]

Shak for newbies? Unless said newbies have good aim that doesn’t sound like good advice. ARN will also be pretty hard to use for a new player due to its positioning demands.

[brazen mango]

Nah Shak is very beginner friendly

Shoots slow, low recoil, good hipfire, no longer ranges to worry about, kills in very few bullets

[ornate scaffold]

M60 more beginner friendly

[indigo nexus]

Mm, I think there is a reason lower elo players rarely run it. Even in platinum it’s not especially common in my experience. The limited mag and range really hurts a weapon for less precise players, “no longer ranges to worry about” is really not a good thing. Not sure why rate of fire affects anything here compared to similar guns. Hipfire is ok but not especially good, but recoil is fair.

[ornate scaffold]

Just slap a red dot on that bad boy

[indigo nexus]

I think lewis gun could be considered pretty beginner friendly

Though maybe not for the recoil…

M60 would be more beginner friendly if its damage dropoff wasn’t so harsh

Flamethrower would probably be rather beginner friendly actually, since bad players really don’t control the range of engagement much and like to get into CQC brawls all the time. Plus very big mag and easy aiming

[fallow carbon]

Hi! I was wondering...is there any real difference between gun sights?

[hardy dust]

Some increase zoom, some have a glare effect similar to sniper, but for the most part they are simply visual

[last urchin]

jump pad or zipline

whats the best grenade/mine for medium

defibrillator or Spiderman escape route (get their statues and get the fuck out and revive them safely as ospuze to defibrillator on mid combat which can cost a whole teamwipe)

jump pad zipline grenade(any damage/flash/goo/smoke/glitch gadget)

jump pad zipline defib

jump pad defib grenade(any damage/flash/goo/smoke/glitch gadget)

Zipline defib grenade(any damage/flash/goo/smoke/glitch gadget)

[dire flume]

I want to make some handicrafts myself, like fridge magnets, to give to my friends or to some friends who play this game at the exhibition. In the early stage, I plan to make a batch of pendants and send them to everyone in the group for a look. The contents are probably the sponsor logos, mamatama mascots and the like, weapons like Fat Man's Double guns, and game pass stickers. But I can't find the original pictures of the game pass stickers. is there any place where I can download these pictures, or is there any expert who has unpacked them? I really can't find them. I've been looking for a whole day. I want everyone's help. Thank you very much. tfboy is good

[obsidian nexus]

light class zero brain, DB problematic, 93R broken... this class is the definition of unfun to face

[obsidian nexus]

double barrel has serious balance problems

[hardy dust]

Its a noob stomper weapon. Great against bad players.

Not a balance issue.

93r is really strong rn though, and could get some teeny adjustments

Still would rather face a cracked sweaty 93r over a winch heavy though

Its literally the epitome of zero brain, broken, unfun and balance issue.

[mortal storm]

ok but winch means i can bully lights

[brazen mango]

Its too much easy value for how untalented it is, DB def needs a rework

Worst case its a weapon thats incredibly annoying because people just trade by running in, 2 shotting someone and dying, thats really unfun

Imo they should buff the reload + its spread again and lower its damage to 150

[brazen mango]

really balanced wdym

[clever oracle]

so balanced 👍

[tired bolt]

this for sure helps, ive been sitting on some points

[plucky spade]

zipline works best on bernal and syshorizon traversal wise because there aren't many inclines for you to take advantage of but jpad has like a myriad of uses soooo

[prime rain]

Yes

[wooden sonnet]

Yh cool

[lunar sphinx]

maybe if the medium had a brain he would know jumping in a dome shield against a sa1216 user is stupid

[compact tundra]

Na I'm gold and that's like the go to heavy pick alongside D-eagles. And newer players don't really think about clip size, they just shoot. So having to reload alot isn't something people really start thinking about till they start wanting to run ranked or something. And plus when they do hit their shots it's very rewarding so it'll feel more fun.

I'd actually say the lewis gun isn't beginner friendly cause high kick weapons require more skill and feel less fun to use

[indigo nexus]

well, them not thinking about it would be precisely the reason why it would be problematic

[compact tundra]

What I mean is it'll go unnoticed. They are not likely to blame the reload for why they die. And the high reward on hit makes it feel more fun, for most casuals fun is all that really matters

[indigo nexus]

Well, that point is kind of going to be conjecture I guess... personally I view a weapon's mag economy as one of its most important traits.

You're going to feel yourself dying whether or not you understand why anyhow

[frozen moss]

After playing a few hundred of hours of medium I know what gun id like to see in the game next.

A .45 acp pistol for the medium class would be fun. Maybe a Glock 21 with the 13 round mags. More damage than the light pistol but less ammo and similar range. Hipfire should be average at best.

[vernal folio]

actually a fire idea

[silent raptor]

Hello

[gleaming aspen]

give light a glock 19 with a switch and extended mag

[next talon]

Chat hear me out heavy should get a launcher that shoots out a light like a cannonball

[jagged burrow]

Twelve years ago high school basketball player Tony Farmer collapsed after hearing his sentence in criminal court for kidnapping, assaulting and robbing a former girlfriend. A creator on Vine used this clip and put the sound effect of someone saying "bruh" as Farmer collapsed.

This is the origin of the bruh sound effect. now john embark pls lvl me up i wanna create a VC ffs

[sudden pewter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/1097649450748485692/D5655EF1-3B38-4B60-90F8-AEACC1BD8957.gif

[timber sparrow]

Sword in tdm feels like cheating they just are all so bad 😭

[sudden pewter]

The moment 2 players on either team decide to go lone wolf the game is over

(It’s going to be Lights)

[compact tundra]

Is it tho, tdm is just a dm fest. I think that's the one game mode where going lone wolf works

[jagged burrow]

lmaoo

[royal pier]

Give Heavy Vortex.

[plush harbor]

sooo light loses a gadget thats never used and heavy gains a gadget thats never used

[compact tundra]

Vortex has uses it's just slept on, and vortex + antigrav + winch might honestly be broken with how easy steal stopping would be

[plush harbor]

vortex atm isnt used because heal smg gate and glitch are too good to pass up

so while heavy might be able to have a little bit more flexibility i still dont see it being used often

[burnt sand]

I haven’t played in a while and was wondering what weapons are considered strong right now for both light and medium. Any loadout recommendations would also be appreciated!

[compact tundra]

Yea but I also think meta slaving is dumb. I run gateway, vanish, and recently breach charge. Being reliant on gadgets that help fights for you is imo a skill issue. Glitch isn't necessary just good, same with infuser and goo. They're really good but you can honestly work without them given you and your team play well. But this also boils down to what weapon & spec you're running and what matchups you need to cover.

[plush harbor]

I meta slave because I play ranked not because I have a dependency on the gadgets themselves - only one where I do actually want it on every loadout is gateway just because it enables so much more freedom to the light playstyle rather than always focusing on plugging boxes
H+ and glitch are moreso just tools to help my team fight another team, if its quick cash i barely use them tbh

gateway is the essential, the others are auxiliary imo

[compact tundra]

Big facts, gateway is goated but I still don't really want it nerfed

[plush harbor]

it absolutely does not need a nerf

[plucky spade]

ok terry
video speichern

[plush harbor]

if it gets nerfed then the developers genuinely have some kind of mental deficiency
but they did the same to mesh and introduced winch, and gutted and rebuffed pike, and a whole bunch of other sins sooo its definitely not off the table 🫤

[compact tundra]

• ARN

• M11

• XP

• Matter

• V9

• 93R

• Double barrel if you hate lights

• all ARs are good but play a bit differently and cover different matchups

• Revolver if you can headshot

• Pike

• Repeater

• Cerberus if you can smell their breath

• Riot shields in a good spot rn

• CL-40 if you hate lights, on any one else this kinda sucks

[plush harbor]

model is better than cerberus
cl40 isnt good just annoying and easy to use

[burnt sand]

Alright, thanks y'all

Guess ill have to stop using throwing knives lol

[compact tundra]

I was iffy on adding the model. I love it and it's super fun but Cerb seems to be more popular in the discord so I thought my love for it was making me think it's stronger than it is

[plush harbor]

throwing knives work theyre just on the higher end of the "skill" based weapons

[compact tundra]

Na there good just don't really fit meta per se.

[plush harbor]

not to mention the questionable hitreg this game has, as well as the fact that they stop working somewhere around 40m

[burnt sand]

Yeah, i was messing around with em and the way they spread out when you jump or run is insane

Crouching didnt really affect the spread tho, but idk

But ill give the rest a go, thank you

[naive glacier]

he could've dashed/jump padded away (it's hard to make out the class)

[compact tundra]

You know I wonder what the devs think about the heavy hangout chat. Like the fact that every heavy in the game silently and unilaterally decided that only the heavy sticker shall be posted in the hangout server

[hardy dust]

I agree, but I still wouldnt put any of the 3 in whats considered a strong weapon rn

[plush harbor]

famas pike repeater/fcar

[hardy dust]

Honestly id get rid of repeater unless you're up against lights

[plush harbor]

i found repeater to work quite well tbh but i understand the sentiment

[hardy dust]

And famas/pike are a decent amount stronger than fcar

[plush harbor]

yeah theres a clear top 2 on medium but that third slot is kinda just there

[hardy dust]

Yep

[compact tundra]

I actually would personally put the model in strong for the reason that it excels at doing what medium should be doing. It has good sustain and good burst damage along with damn good range for a shotgun. So my point is medium should always be with the team, they are by far the most team focused class. And the model allows you to do good burst against an enemy in a team fight while your heavy cleans them up. If you helping shoot with your heavy the model is fucking great at just shredding teams. But it's a very weird play style and might not work at higher levels

[plush harbor]

nuh uh model too hard for the general playerbase to use so it sux

[hardy dust]

After the nerf the opportunity cost to using it just enough worth justifying it imo

[compact tundra]

Yea you lose a lot by equipping it, but if your light and heavy (assuming L M H team) can put work down range, then the ability to burst a large portion of a person's health in a team fight is great as long as there cleaning for you making the slow ttk not be a big problem. I see model as a ttk boost to your teammates rather than a solo weapon

[maiden nest]

This might be a hot take, but video games are supposed to be fun

So, I run a thermal vision/smoke/vanish bomb Sword light

[compact tundra]

Your evil and wrong, no fun allowed

But my main loadout rn is
Grapple
Sword
Gateway
Vanish bomb
Breach charge

[hardy dust]

Fair, but I find running stronger options can fill that role whilst also being very strong alone and at range. Model isnt bad, but it's not good enough to trade off consistent ranged damage and good 1v1 potential

[compact tundra]

Your right I just think it out preformes the AR's in team fights. Obviously that goes out the window with revolver, repeater, or pike. I should probably specify close ranged team fights

[brazen mango]

😂

[naive glacier]

oh wait... he was a light and he was half hp
he can only blame himself for coming into range

[hardy dust]

And I find it also pairs better with demat (and heal, but it got gutted), but its just barely not enough.
A small buff would be nice

[brazen mango]

that was a medium

[naive glacier]

wasn't he holding a sawed off?

[compact tundra]

I think instead of an extra bullet it needs a fire rate buff

[brazen mango]

thats a model

[compact tundra]

Why the fuck did a model close the gap on a SA12

[hardy dust]

Because the sa12 was 60 hp (greed was their downfall)

[brazen mango]

also how is he gonna pad out when there is a roof above his head, even if he demats out thats not garuanteed, also having to pad out there is a stupid point to make because it doesnt fix the core issue that winch stun is OP, he wouldve died before he couldve padded

[compact tundra]

But it's a model

[brazen mango]

because I was 60 HP but winch claw just lets me win that against a guy that oneshots me who has 120 HP more than me

[compact tundra]

It'll do 60 at like 15M

[brazen mango]

not to a heavy in a bubble

[hardy dust]

Yeah, but the dome was in the way. It was fair to run up to avoid the dome, but unfortunately winch is stupid

[brazen mango]

its a very realistic fight to win on model but he just losses cuz he gets winched into a bubble headglitch

[compact tundra]

I guess but the bubble only lasts like 6sec and he'd be in a better position after it went down

[compact tundra]

I agree the winch was the problem I just think that it probably wasn't the best idea to push that

[royal pier]

I would absolutely use it. There's several potential combinations.

MGL32, Spear, Flamethrower, Lockbolt if you have a cruel streak.

Also, who said Light had to lose it?

[brazen mango]

give Light Grav Cube

[maiden nest]

And as for Heavy, my favorite loadout is "raid boss": minigun, barricade, heal chuck and dome shield with mesh shield

"YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE WALL, AND I AM THE FUCKING WALL"

[compact tundra]

Pick the muscle mommy build and then put the maid outfit on her to make a battle maid

[maiden nest]

However, I think I'll swap off mesh shield for either winch or charge

Too much defense and not enough offense

[compact tundra]

Honestly with the rev time mesh isn't great with minigun from my experience

[maiden nest]

Should I buy .50 Akimbo next, then? 🤔

[compact tundra]

D-eagles are good if you can hit heads, shak-50 is better if you can't consistently

[shell sonnet]

i mean, i can see why grav vortex on heavy would make sense, but why does light need grav cube?

[maiden nest]

Shak it is then

[compact tundra]

I think it's sarcasm. Also vortex on heavy could make some very nasty steal stopping that I just do not want to see.

[maiden nest]

Imagine getting winched into a vortex, there would be a lot of people having a collective meltdown

[shell sonnet]

also consider, grav cube, once at the top, activate vortex

actual pinata

[compact tundra]

That was my original reply to the post. Grav + vortex + winch would be busted

Holy shit could you winch the vortex itself

[maiden nest]

ah yes, because removing an enemy's ability to act is such a fun mechanic

I'm starting to understand why people hate winch

[compact tundra]

I think it would be fine with some adjustments

[shell sonnet]

its easy really

so, you take a shotgun...

[compact tundra]

Imagine if you can winch the vortex, if you perfectly time it could you potentially spear chuck a whole team

[maiden nest]

now that's an idea

remove DB from light and give to heavy

[shell sonnet]

actually a potential balance idea i had once
problem is with how tanky heavy is, that might cause issues
but its not too far off sledge, which is also lethal up close

[last urchin]

Shak or ks

[shell sonnet]

uuuuuuuuh, actually

what if:
gravity vortex to trap someone
throw a slow ass barrel with explosives strapped to it in there
due to the black hole slow the explosives can charge
welcome back nuke

[compact tundra]

Shak is better, KS is more fun and pops rats

[indigo nexus]

ideas like this are cool but I think really too contextual to realistically pull off nearly often enough for it to be worth it

Nukes really have such little range now compared to how they used to be

[restive plover]

is the minigun good ?

[shell sonnet]

can do work
but you need to be able to play around it

really fun to get wipes with
just BBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRTTTT

[compact tundra]

It's 250 bullets of pure Alfa Acta freedom, what do you think.

[compact tundra]

Oh btw if you want any tips or advice on sword I am down to help. I sometimes post in the recruit and rise channel but really I just try to help any players I find that might want it, especially swords.

[last urchin]

I swear the winch feels useless fo everything but getting kills

shak is just fcar but for heavy

[compact tundra]

Guys I swear the mesh feels like it's only good for blocking damage these days. In all seriousness tho it's good at cashbox manipulation too

[modest lynx]

Yo how do combos factor into the sword playbook with the changes, im feeling like they're just inconsistent rn

[compact tundra]

One sec I'm getting off work

[modest lynx]

Fair

[last urchin]

yeep

[compact tundra]

They don't really anymore. The clamp makes mid lunge combos hard. But they still can come in handy if you can pull them off. I think the best case form combos is against lights. If you can aim your lunge well and have good QM timing then the L + QM is still effective just really easy to dodge on their part. Plus if you have Melee aim assist on then you can lunge at their side where your sword is between you and them and it'll give you a small window to hit the QM. but against mediums and heavies if you have solid cqc movement then just swinging then to death is best.

L= secondary fire/lunge
S= primary fire/swing
QM= quick Melee
TD= tracking dart

Current Combos

Light
L + QM
S + S

Medium
L + QM + L
L + QM + S + QM
L + QM + S + TD
S + QM + S + QM
S + S + S

Heavy
L + L + L
L + QM + S + QM + S
S + S + S + S
S + QM + S + QM + S + QM
S + QM + S + QM + S + TD + TD

When I get home I can clip the aim assist thing along with some good warm ups to try on sword for the cqc movement

[fallen karma]

Hey uhhhh, is revolver good? Or at least decent

[balmy dome]

I think it can be decent if you can aim it. That's a big if though

Sometimes i get smoked with a revolver. Other times i get revolver teammates that can't do much

[modest lynx]

GOAT status, bro gave me a spreadsheet, I'll def try out the warm ups when you get a chance to post em

[compact tundra]

Sorry our power surged and it's taking a while to make these clips. ill have the rest soon

This is the aim assist trick

[fallen karma]

Ohhh ok. Ty!

[modest lynx]

Thanks Dude, I was Wondering the exact point for the trick for a while, I've just been swinging my Roller cuz i run Gyroscope Sens

[compact tundra]

This is my usual aim warmup. I typically focus on unusual tracking since in most fights that's what's gonna happen to you given we have to use S as our main attack now. I also practice crouching and jumping while strafing to throw off my head hitbox.

This is honestly bad movement but it'll work for what I'm showing. You want to slide and jump while strafing around them to make them miss as much as possible, it's very effective against heavies since they're slow and are easy to strafe around.

Lastly this is just useful if you wanna run grapple or cloak, you can still basically get a dash jump-pad launch if you slide out of your lunge as soon as you hit the jump pad

[timber sparrow]

I try and never use the m1

[compact tundra]

Good luck brother. That is a daring task

[boreal laurel]

I mean if you've been conditioned to use lunge since open beta like I have, it's hard to give it up now. I still always open with lunge and switch to M1 after first contact

[compact tundra]

I've been playing since open beta too, and 7 seasons of lunge is hard to break but at the end of the day I like being able to consistently win fights

[timber sparrow]

ye basically

[modest lynx]

I be using this one even with dash

[compact tundra]

Yeah it's honestly good even with that just to save your dash. But it really shines if you switch off it

[modest lynx]

I feel you, BTW that aim routine got me already feeling some improvement i did a quick tdm and its hittin

[compact tundra]

It's just good to me cuz tracking that close is hard so I prefer making my warm up even harder just to kind of get used to when to time my hit.

[restive plover]

Is the spear for the heavy good ? I'm really liking the hammer

[eager wasp]

no

[restive plover]

Damn okay

[heady hemlock]

can we please get a counter to thermal vision, a gadget shouldnt only be able to be countered by itself. fighting more than one thermal smoke light is just not even fair

or give the thermal as passive nerf light make them glow slightly in smoke

[shell sonnet]

Smokes need to be more reliable and morr counterable

Id make smokes a solid spehere that you cant look into/out if

And if you are inside you see any other players inside as fading gray figures
(Cashouts and other items probably too)

Keep thermal useable for shooting out of it, but you can counter it by getting close

[boreal laurel]

It’s great for Power Shift, and it’s an easy counter for a full melee team

That’s about it

[eager wasp]

@wispy needle 15 days

[dusk garden]

do you think buffing turret by making it immune to glitchnades would be a good idea?

[teal grotto]

I think it should get lower firerate but not completely shutoff ig

[warm patio]

This may be a skill issue but I think some melee weapons need a nerf or some sort of rework

[timber sparrow]

Thats a skill issue melee is completely unviable rn

[modest lynx]

Fr Melee is cooked rn

EMBARK REMOVE MULTIHIT AND REVERT THE SWORDS DAMAGE AND DESTROY THAT CAMERA CLAMP WITH AN IED

[timber sparrow]

Pls embark save me

[tawny lily]

Even Arkham night cant save. Us 😭 😭

[ornate oar]

can you really reach high elo with the throwing knives? or is there a better weapon choice

@weary sun

[sudden pewter]

Throwing Knives are fine, no reason you cant climb with them

[ornate oar]

i just feel like idk theres better weapon for like close range or ill just get out spaced by a bow player

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, the Double Barrel

M11/XP are also fantastic options for close range

[ornate oar]

i used to main db for a bit but people started to realize where i was more and it became a lot harder to get close

specially open/big maps

[plucky spade]

Huge skill issue

[modest lynx]

We need s1 sword back man multihit was a stupid addition and buff the dual blades

[lone wing]

I don’t think dual blades are bad. There are just no really good movement gadgets and specialisations. Only jump pad and zipline, and to be honest, zipline is trash.

[modest lynx]

I think honestly they just should provide a larger lurch distance with them or something

[brazen mango]

Idk if we start stupidly shifting class specific util around might aswell

Heavy has the 3 strongest CC tools in the game on their class already (granted one is goo gun, an absolute throw pick) they dont need even more CC

[minor mirage]

Goo is so much fun

[raw cave]

the only thing i want about melee is for riot shield to block melee and charge'n'slam, because im tired of noticing a melee player in lobby and thinking: "Oh! Im fucked!"

[sand totem]

i hate riot shield

[indigo nexus]

riot shield does block melee

just it has to actually hit the shield and not hit past it

here is an example

[plucky spade]

It's by design that melee bypasses riot I feel. Like you counter ranged much better than anything else the game offers in terms of melee, the other melees should be able to have an easier time than you taking you down

[indigo nexus]

I think a problem might be that riot shield being able to consistently block quick melees could theoretically make it notably better vs players with guns close up

but that isn’t any kind of fundamental issue I don’t think.

[silent raptor]

Nei

[indigo nexus]

Definitely not. It’s important to avoid the interactions of such entities being unintuitive.

You could make glitch nade weaker in general, though I feel most people outside of high elo would be confused by such a change

the players which encounter turret often don’t run glitch nades to begin with

[plucky spade]

Why should turret be the exception

Also, glitch nade and barrel should work on jpads, triangle pads and ziplines

This would be a very good nerf to medium movement and enhance arena interactivity

[indigo nexus]

Ziplines? Now that seems really quite off.

[maiden nest]

I think it's a pretty unanimous opinion that turret is one of the worst specs in Finals, but I wonder how would one even make it up to par with Dematerializer?

I was thinking of giving it more utility, for example a mode/ammo switch - disruptive rounds that glitch enemies shot, stun rounds that slow their movement and stagger aim, tracking rounds that mark them for a few seconds, so on

[wide stratus]

Get rid of riot shield, it ruins the game.

[plucky spade]

Skill issue, the animation changes will make it better

[plucky spade]

Well, the ziplines get a glitching animation but nothing happens

[maiden nest]

People hate riot shield because it's easily countered by something that barely exists in The Finals lobbies - teamwork

For example - heavy winches the riot shield user while a light turns him into swiss cheese from behind

[plucky spade]

I cannot think of a loadout that doesn't counter the shield somehow, without the loadout being so out of meta you actively throw the game

[maiden nest]

If you're the kind of guy to always run off somewhere all by yourself and get cornered by riot shield, then yeah, you deserve to get your ass kicked

[plucky spade]

Even then a goo nade, can save your ass

[indigo nexus]

This is a gross exaggeration

Weapons should not be removed because some people don’t like fighting them

[raw cave]

and make lights glitch even more broken

[raw cave]

it's not even a good weapon

[silent raptor]

Hi

[weary sun]

yes you can reach high elo but jn general the ranged firearms like ARN or 93R are better in this meta
TKs are best used like a shotgun that can sometimes poke big damage at a longer range than a shotgun
and since its like a shotgun youre outranged by the season's meta weapons so youre forced to play around that

[plucky spade]

Eh in the name of consistency

[wide stratus]

Being a console player going against a pc riot shield player is impossible bruh

[raw cave]

cl40 goes KABOOM!

[indigo nexus]

I don’t understand why this would be the case.

Almost any form of movement is not reliant on rapid camera flicks

[ornate oar]

i really cant go past plat1 i just get my butt eaten with someone poking me from roof or a place i cant reach with the 93r or arn or xp

[ornate oar]

do u think i should switch to the sniper instead and learn how to play close range in case i get pushed? i really like high risk high reward weapons

[plucky spade]

What places can't you reach realistically as a light, this ain't tf2, walk there first

[weary sun]

sniper isn't that high reward

[ornate oar]

what do you think i should try as someone that loves tk and high risk high reward

[weary sun]

Double Barrel is technically high risk high reward

[ornate oar]

i dm u in private

[weary sun]

often enough the hitreg or last second movement makes you miss, thus making you unable to kill a medium or heavy

[wide stratus]

Huh? Are you not able to comprehend basic gaming mechanics? A person on pc can move their camera around much more efficiently than a console player can... Meaning a riot shield player can shield anything and the console player can't outrun the player whilst shooting their legs. It's a stupid weapon to have in a game. Why have a weapon that literally shields you at all times? It's just silly and unfair on players who aren't able to aim at a player's feet whenever they please.

[wide stratus]

The cl40 is also a dumb weapon.

[raw cave]

lets delete every weapon that is not AR, this will be so good! So easy to balance! And everyone is on the right terms! Also i think that everyone should have same health. And those ttks... they are so long, i think dying in 3 bullets would feel much better

[indigo nexus]

Can shield anything? I’m not sure what you mean by this. Riot shield players don’t have to flick their camera around to use the weapon effectively. You’re not supposed to be able to outrun them while shooting their legs, that would be ridiculously unfair against it.

Riot shield’s role is very specifically to work against the standard strategy of standing there and shooting the enemy, it would be unacceptable to adjust the weapon to allow even that to counter it

It shields you at all times, but only on one side at a time, in exchange for a total lack of ranged damage output.

[raw cave]

it also has the one of the longest ttk of all melee weapons, i think spear has similar ttk

i always confuse ttk for dps

[obsidian nexus]

winch = one dimensional unfun to face

[heavy tendon]

I kinda wish you could self nullify. Right now the nullifier feels kinda niche

[normal ice]

all Nullifier needs at the moment is to prevent people from healing and maybe reloading. Making yourself invincible on command would be broken as hell

[heavy tendon]

Invincible while being unable to do anything? It's basically a phase shift from titanfall

[normal ice]

Light has the fastest runspeed and has Gateway. They also have SH1900. You would just use it either to safely get into point-blank range and practically guarantee a kill on someone, or you would use it to safely run away after getting a kill (which is what Light already specializes in).

It would also allow you time for your Dashes (or grapple hook...? lol) to come back online

[raw cave]

maybe would be good if it was spec

[normal ice]

As a spec I think it could be fine, ye

Opportunity cost and all

[raw cave]

i would much prefer this for invis

[obsidian nexus]

93r completely broken right now

[wide stratus]

Finals player let someone have an opinion without going against it challenge: impossible

[shy vine]

the throwing knives are op

[plucky spade]

What are opinions if not to be discussed bro fym

[obsidian nexus]

yea, DB is not fun at all

[tall quiver]

I just want to know why all the shotguns are trash

[plush harbor]

except they aren’t?

[past parcel]

nerf sword

[timber sparrow]

Oh brother

[silent bough]

any good ways to solo engage a riot shield with my fcar, nade, zip, defib loadout?

[normal ice]

shoot the feet or run away

[silent bough]

Ill have to get used to aiming at feet. I always try to aim for the gap at the face but am inconsistent

[normal ice]

The hitboxes are janky af, it's not your fault. But yeah, if you can keep distance, Riot Shield can't do anything to you

Riot Shield is strongest when they act as a tank -- distracting you while their teammates fire away

So either you need movement gadgets to work around them entirely, focus on their teammates first, or set up a cross-fire to shoot the Riot Shield from multiple angles

or just use a non-bullet counter like Flamethrower

[timber sparrow]

Riot shield is practically incapable of taking 2v1s as long as you arent positioned right next to each other so just be aware of your teammates

[silent bough]

Awesome, thanks guys. Ill try these out. I'd definitely prefer to not get insta-tilted when running into one of these guys haha

[outer atlas]

Did they nerf db cause it feels like they did

[raw cave]

defib him till he's dead

[silent bough]

Does defib do damage to enemies??

[timber sparrow]

Nope not yet

[raw cave]

but seriosly, just use the zip, the most he can do is break it

[raw cave]

50 dmg

[outer atlas]

Cappppp

[silent bough]

BRB finna annoy their heavy to death for the next 3 minutes until death 😂

[raw cave]

https://youtu.be/6slOIhP4oC8?si=U0-OFgUyQCmnhrCo

[maiden nest]

News flash buddy, having an opinion doesn't mean others aren't allowed to debate it

What if in my opinion the Earth was flat? I'd definitely sound like a complete idiot, wouldn't I?

So to reiterate what others already have said - if you want to make a riot shield's match a living nightmare, just stick with your team and FLANK THEM

they can't shield from the front and behind at the same time, is it really too complex to comprehend?

and if you're still so inclined to work solo, then explosives, crowd control, gas and flamethrower also works

[prime coral]

Goo Launcher + Flamethrower shuts down a Riot Shield pretty hard

[proper elbow]

The amount of stuff that can counter it is pretty big makes me wonder why people still complain about it

[maiden nest]

Because people who do complain just want to point, click and score kills like it's Call of Duty

[timber sparrow]

Buff pike nerf spear

[outer atlas]

Wdym pike

I feel like light is over rated ngl

[proper elbow]

Definitely a take

[outer atlas]

Buff knife

[plucky spade]

The gap in the face doesn't work does it?

[proper elbow]

I think they buff defib to be 150 damage atleast

[silent bough]

I swear I've gotten headshot hit markers there, but tbh I haven't slowed down the footage after the fact to see if I was hitting above the shield

[proper elbow]

Just wanna zap a few lights🙂

[outer atlas]

Heavy makes me feel like the final boss

What is better world tour or rank play thingy thing

[raw cave]

don't see reason playing ranked other than amuse your ego

[brazen mango]

To fight good players

[silent bough]

The sense of skill based progression with ranked tickles my competitive itch

[boreal laurel]

Especially the lights who main, oh I don’t know, dash

[raw cave]

grapple is not easier to counter either

[boreal laurel]

As a riot shield main I give thanks every day that grapple lights are a rarity

[raw cave]

i really want for riot shield to have shield bash instead of quick melee that would do the same damage, but have a little glitch effect just enough to hit second time and not run to catch that light for another minute

[timber sparrow]

Buff pike

[maiden nest]

It's bait guys, just don't reply

[timber sparrow]

Nuh uh

[obsidian nexus]

remove DB from the game definition of unfun

same thing for winch. winch is one dimensional and never fun to face

[muted halo]

l was thinking if adding a heal reduction for the fire status would be enough utility to buff all the fire based items and props besides cleaning gas and goo. Any thoughts on it? The affected items would be Cerberus, Flamethrower, Pyronade and Pyromine. Besides pyro mine all of them are kind of mediocre right now imo. This would also add counterplay to heal spam. The value could be like 15 to 20%.

[wide stratus]

News flash buddy, I didn't say you aren't allowed to debate it.

[maiden nest]

Then why are you seemingly annoyed that others are challenging your opinion

[wide stratus]

I'm not gonna entertain you buddy.

Riot shield needs a nerf of some sort. The counters for the riot shield require you to either run away or be in a specific position and your team also needs to be in a specific position which is impossible with this awful matchups. If anyone disagrees, good for you but the reality is that riot shield is op especially against console players.

[muted halo]

why would it be better against controllers then mnk? Do you care to explain why?

[wide stratus]

It's not better against controllers, that's the whole point. A pc player using riot shield has much bigger advantages than a controller player has

[muted halo]

why do you think that is the case?

[wide stratus]

It's pretty obvious. Using a mouse you can turn around much faster than using a controller...

[muted halo]

so your issue is not wanting to increase your sense if you use riot nor use gyro aiming to rotate faster... which means you play sticks with aim assist. unless you play on xbox you could try gyro to see if it helps for that. Besides main way to use riot is bishop which both inputs can do without a problem

[wide stratus]

My issue isn't using riot shield. My brother you could've just read what I previously said lmao. The issue is fighting a riot shield, especially when the user is playing on pc.

[drowsy cliff]

the simple answer is turning off crossplay

[wide stratus]

But that just takes away a core element of the game

[muted halo]

you seem to not read nor understand what l wrote to you, l suggested you ways to allow you to turn faster on controller to be closer to pc high sense flick but you seem to not care. If this is such a big issue do as the other guy said and turn of crossplay

[drowsy cliff]

pc players will in most cases have the advantage compared to console players because of console hardware limitations however you can always turn your sensitivity up and the look boosts on controller

Also mnk will come to console one day just have some patience

[wide stratus]

Ok I don't care

[sudden pewter]

M&K is objectively the better input option, it isn’t supported for consoles to keep all console players level with eachother. If you have issues or don’t like playing against PC players you can disable crossplay in the settings menu.

It’s totally okay to not like fighting Riot Shield, there’s currently a latency related issue (afaik) where shots that would have otherwise landed don’t due to fuckery with the shield. It will hopefully be fixed soon and make it less frustrating to fight 😔

[sudden pewter]

Gods the minigun is perfect. I love it so much

If I had to choose:

• Fuck: Shak
• Marry: Minigun
• Kill: Flamethrower

[muted condor]

“Oh no I have to change up my play style to counter the enemy! I can’t just stand still and shoot them in the face with a AR” 😭

[sudden pewter]

White role 💀

[timber sparrow]

Buff pike its so underwhelming 😭

[compact tundra]

Riot shield actually does block Melee now, swords now have to lunge to your right or else when you swing the shield will flow them along the side and prevent the lunge from hitting. Whenever I face a good riot shield it actually feels like a duel now.

[timber sparrow]

Whenever i face riot its a free kill

[compact tundra]

It might be because I've been playing ranked and WT recently but I've faced some nasty riots that actually know how to fight me, makes some very fun duels

[timber sparrow]

I just wiggle the 40 degrees is more than enough to cover both sides

That and you can just dash past them

[compact tundra]

Oh, since clamping I've kinda stopped wiggling, and since I find the riot duel fun I think I'm gonna keep just facing them head on, no wiggle. Makes sense tho that that would work

Also I run grapple sword now, with the much easier super lunge now I can just bet on my lunge replacing the dash and I get to use the utility of grapple

[timber sparrow]

I abuse the crap out of the clamp lifting at the end of the lunge, so i can get the closest to old sword gameplay as well

[fickle mica]

Anyone know the best mid range option for a light controller player?

I use dash and m11 most of the time but for Bernal and Kyoto I could use smthn else

[modest lynx]

93r or XP-54 if you can keep your grouping tight it’s good at long range too

[raw cave]

whenever i face a riot shield it's the matter of the first hit and luck, sometime hits getting blocked, sometimes you damage right through

[compact tundra]

Arn is also a fantastic option, it's better at longer ranges than the XP

But it's a little reliant on head shots and your ability to weave at close range

[compact tundra]

That's fair, but that's just kinda fun to me, it's a competition on wether I'm better at dodging or their better at blocking

[modest lynx]

I feel that, I just miss superlunge doing damage it made the fights feel so much better

[compact tundra]

I agree, it's more of a positioning tool now, but it still does damage if you're slippery enough and can consistently hit blind sides

[modest lynx]

I’ve been trying everything to even get a meter of extension out of it and it feels more like a Hastened lunge than an extension, so I only really use it to outreact and combo in fights

But it’s An insane reposition tool

Nvm figured out how to get some distance and damage it’s just finicky af

[neat bolt]

Dual blades are so fun to use

[muted condor]

They really are

To bad they are broken

[fickle mica]

Thanks, I’ll prolly do 93r then since it’s hipfire aint bad and my headshot game is not it

[chilly briar]

sup guyss

[wooden sonnet]

Yo guys

[shell sonnet]

Hi yall

[sudden pewter]

Y’all* ☝️ 🤓

[shell sonnet]

What if low gravity was actually 0 gravity, and you could just "swim" anywhere?

[sudden pewter]

Lights would shit the bed even more than they do now

[shell sonnet]

Im am planting a nuke under your bed

[sudden pewter]

I’m Facebook friends with Obama and I’ll have him send a drone to your current location

[shell sonnet]

Good luck with that, i just bought alfa actas anti air premium package

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/obamium-gif-8037868343314571204

[shell sonnet]

How so tho?
I wanna know potential facets to consider

[sudden pewter]

Lights hypermobility and mobility tools are often adversely affected by the lack of gravity

Dashes can overshoot or leave them vulnerable midair as grounding tools aren’t available

[shell sonnet]

With swim i mean including downwards

Instead of jumping out of a window and getting 2 seconds of involuntary airtime like current low gravity, you instead jump out and immidiatly get to swim down

Same with dash, if you end up in the air, just swim down

What im most concerned about is ranged weapons just swimming to high ground where melee weapons would die way before getting close to fight back

[maiden nest]

I really, really like the Minigun because of the sheer damage potential and the BRRRRRRT, but I'm kinda confused about the spec for it

Winch technically should be the strongest choice, but it's hampered by the spool-up

[sudden pewter]

Mesh/CnS, any other questions?

[maiden nest]

CnS it is then, I was struggling to make good use of mesh shield due to how unpredictable randoms in solo queue can be

I would actively try to provide cover from a sniper only for them to run away and get themselves killed anyway

[sudden pewter]

You can use the Mesh to buy time as you escape bad situations, but it can also just delay your death if your teammates aren’t around, I’ve found lots of use with CnS as a Hail Mary if I’m caught out without spinning up, and if weakened foes run to cover or through multiple layers of walls you can just burst through it

[maiden nest]

I could forgo the C4/RPG and go all in on a juggernaut playstyle by virtue of demolition through CnS

Was thinking of Barricade, heal chuck and dome shield

[sudden pewter]

Barricade + Chuck works very well with Minigun because you can balance on top of Chuck and use the height to peek over the top of your barricade

While headglitching a solid 80% of your hitbox is hidden safely behind the barricade

[maiden nest]

And keeps the chuck covered so it doesn't get taken out, too 👍

[turbid harness]

WE NEED KILL CAMS

[sudden pewter]

Mind you want Chuck a bit further behind the barricade, which will limit your vision but make you impervious to pyro grenades thrown at the shield. Normally the flames bleed behind it a bit

[sudden pewter]

If you’re going to sperg out, the proper channel is #👂┇game-feedback 💀

[turbid harness]

Thx soz

[maiden nest]

That could be fixed by medium with APS, but it requires coordination

A barricaded heavy with minigun, protected by APS? God, I wanna try that

[sudden pewter]

Minigun heavy works the best when your teammates aren’t around plays around you. You’re a leadwall enemies HAVE to respect.

[maiden nest]

I'd be fucking invincible

[outer atlas]

Please add gernade vest basically throwing knifes but gernades

Or maybe a long double barrel shotty for medium

Please add long sword for heavy trust

[marsh shadow]

Cut the riot sheild in half. If they want full body protection, make it cost movement speed by crouching. Sheilds ruin just about every fps game, and this one is the most broken I've seen.

[outer atlas]

U trippin

Just flank them or use a flame thrower

Or run away doesn’t ruin the game makes it better

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1393085421482672138/speechmemified_pasteimage.gif

[outer atlas]

R u a dev

Nvm I’m stupid

[muted condor]

The Cerberus in the corner right now

[marsh shadow]

Running away is not a strat. Plus its inconsistent hitboxes are ridiculous. Ive heard people rotate left and spray, but that doesnt work half the time. Cut the sheild in half.

[sudden pewter]

My name is D. Veloper

[muted condor]

It literally is a strat, that’s literally what one of the three classes is built around

[outer atlas]

Bru is so right

[sudden pewter]

I understand being frustrated by the Riot Shield, the wonkiness of the hitbox is a known issue and will hopefully be fixed soon.

[outer atlas]

Do they rerelease emerald skins in world tour or nah

[muted condor]

The hot box is annoying

[hexed tulip]

hasn’t happened yet

[muted condor]

But the shield is fine as is now for balance

[outer atlas]

They release new weapons every season right?

[red pumice]

No not every season

[timber sparrow]

Buff pike

[hexed tulip]

not always
just like this season

[sudden pewter]

The drip of weapons will likely slow in favor of reworking current weapons/gadgets in the future

[tender dune]

makea a gedget taht makes u invincbile against dbs for 10 secs

just agaisnt the db tho

[shell sonnet]

would love to see that tbh

[sudden pewter]

It was brought up by Oscar in the AMA stream

He brought up an example of another game that does such (reworking old stuff to essentially be new) iirc but I can’t recall the name of the game or the aforementioned example

I’d much rather each weapon/gadget be unique than get guns that suffer from “X but Y” syndrome

||This gun is that gun but with more/less ____||

[shell sonnet]

real

id still be interested in making one of mediums rifles more hipfire focused

but problem is that people like their guns/skins and how they feel
i hope the sudden change of identity wont cause issues

[shell sonnet]

whats first on the chopping block you reckon?
turret?

[sudden pewter]

Barricade has been name dropped by Oscar

Turret is likely on their radar

[shell sonnet]

yeah, still dont know how theyre gonna do that
at least in a way that isnt basically goo grenade or barricade

did hear they have multiple working prototypes

i really hope they dont make a "reinforcement" item

[hardy dust]

Ngl barricades are fine rn

[sudden pewter]

An issue being targeted for the barricade rework is placement issues afaik

[indigo nexus]

This is a funny thing to say, to me. Can you explain why you don’t view it as a strategy?

[hardy dust]

The onyl real issue is placement

[sudden pewter]

(Anything on the ground making it implacable is frustrating)

[hardy dust]

A single speck of dust vs a barricade

[sudden pewter]

Pebble Geometry vs Barricade

I’d assume a potential rework would make the barricade something like Mesh, where instead of it being anchored to the player it just appears regardless of geometry

A possible issue with that is how barricades interact with geometry, barricades can prevent a roof from collapsing since it’s a physical object

[shell sonnet]

i hate when it cant be placed because of a pebble
it used to be perfect for monaco staircases too, now, since the headglitch fix, theyre too big

just make em clip at that point imo

[sudden pewter]

As long as I can still block ratholes or make it more difficult to go through doorways I’m fine with whatever they do

It would suck if they nerfed the viability of Barricade indirectly in an attempt to make it better or more reliable

Part of what I love so much about the Barricade is how disposable they are and how easy it is for me to replace them. If an enemy Heavy is using a KS23 and starts chunking my shield, I can just pick it up and plop down a fresh one

That would probably be changed in any rework, which is fine as long as I get something else in return

[shell sonnet]

im trying to like think of games that did/do things similarly to the finalks to be on the lookout for solutions ot concepts that could work

what if barricade turned into like a throwable barbed wire devensive structure, that you just throw down loosely, and where it lands it can roughly cover slightly more than a crouching heavies hight

either you cant shoot back, or your upper half is exposed, so no headglitching

no "solid" placement needed, stands up where ever you throw it, like chuck or dome

since it could be vaulted over, bared wire deals damage to someone touching it

im not sure if barbed wire would be unfit for the finals tho
maybe like electric spikes or smth?

thats also something, we have skins for them
so they need a baseline visual similarity

winch -> barbed wire would be stupid lol

[sudden pewter]

I much prefer the barricade, something that rather than affecting an observable area simply exists in a space.

[shell sonnet]

fair

[sudden pewter]

If I throw barbed wire, something that slows movement, enemies simply won’t use that avenue, they see the potential danger posed by it and will destroy the area to create another avenue, use mobility tools to go around it, or demat a wall to ignore it completely.

The barricade becomes an on-demand piece of the environment, it does nothing on its own. It’s just a facet you can change that affects both teams/contestants equally. It poses no innate danger to enemies, it’s no different than a wall or door(in that anything can be behind/around it)

If I see a mine on the floor, it immediately sets off an alarm in my head telling me there’s enemy activity here, or has been recently.

But a barricade? It doesn’t pose a threat. It has no immediate menace inherent to it.

[shell sonnet]

true, barbed wire is associated with slows, wouldnt want that

[sudden pewter]

I love the idea of barbed wire but imagine how frustrating that would be to fight

Any more and I’ll rant more about barricade, I’ll stop myself here

[shell sonnet]

maybe something like shock flooring
like a mine but low damage and cant be destroyed
only deals damage when moving (to avoid cashout cheese)

[sudden pewter]

My final message to the world: Barricade is great and has insane utility I’d hate to see lost, just make it easier to place, that’s all it needs

[shell sonnet]

just throwing ideas around, not much thought behind them

[shell sonnet]

why tho
id love to hear a ramble on barricades

yk, i just had an idea
what if you "badly" place a barricade (as in, facing into the room, so a vaultable gap is created)
but you put a mine on the opposite side of the vault path

[sudden pewter]

Honestly my rationale is selfish, I don’t want to see the barricade have turret/chuck placement mechanics

It’s an LoS block and I don’t purrsonally believe it’s so powerful it requires such

I like that you can vault over the barricade, it’s one of Heavies few means outside of GooGun/Gravity Cube for vertical traversal

[hardy dust]

Winch + anything is stupid tbf

[shell sonnet]

hond on a sec

[shell sonnet]

what do we think about this?

they think its bad placement, try to vault over, and get obliterated

[deep karma]

I mean you can see all of the blinking lights on it like a christmas tree even from the other side, so you'd just know not to do that right?

[shell sonnet]

eeeeh the lights tho...

wonder how likely someone is to miss that in the heat of battle
especially when short of time

was just a spitball anyways, thrown together in a minute, doesnt matter

[deep karma]

I feel like good players listen / watch for them most of the time.

Putting them on the floor in front of the barricade might hide the lights better.

[shell sonnet]

ok, but hear me out
what if
we use...

2 barricades?

they hear them, but dont see any lights
means it must be safe, riiiiight?

ok, good news, you cant see them

bad news, the barricades need to be so far apart, a vault can be done in a way that avoids them

the obvious next step

[shell sonnet]

gonna try that

might be avoidable tho
but with their... interesting... triggerbox it might end up being unavoidable

[deep karma]

I applaud your creativity but then I realize we're playing a game with demat where clever traps and level design do not matter lol

Also you could put them on the exit sign facing inwards, above the door frame, that seems simplest. They explode if they try to vault it.

[shell sonnet]

ok, hear me out, there is another way

[shell sonnet]

works 👍
tested

[boreal laurel]

Not to mention data reshaper…but then most people don’t even realize that gadget exists

[shell sonnet]

however, there is another far stupider, far sillier way to do it

[deep karma]

Datashaper requires you actually interact with the trap nest and takes up a slot to counter it, I think that's fine. Demat just skips engaging with it entirely and makes a perfect peek angle. 💤

[boreal laurel]

IDK, I just main both 😄

Plus riot shield, I might add—I must be so irritating to fight

[shell sonnet]

observe:

doesnt shine through from the other side

oddly enough to, pyro mines exploding this way doesnt produce fire, since the "ground" theyre on gets destroyed in the explosion

any ideas for shit i should mess around with?
im feeling creative today

[deep karma]

You could try to find a way to reliably glitch your head into a wall / ceiling so you can peek the other side.

[shell sonnet]

would that be allowed?
im already torn on the turret ceiling glitch

[undone dragon]

Give medium a tec-9 that’d be sickkkkkk

[deep karma]

I mean you should use every thing in the game to your advantage to win, and if something isn't supposed to be used they can just remove it.

[shell sonnet]

i may have just found something funny

is this something?

[split bone]

what in the source physics

[shell sonnet]

uuuuuuh

what do we think of this?
skipping stones

its because of the mines
glitch trap/motion sensor do not work on their own, they sit still when hit with smoke canister knockback
if you give them a mine as foundation tho, they go crazy

...

i wonder if the foundation acts on other physics objects in the same way

also i may have just created an invulnerable motion sensor

what is this?

it did end up below the broken railing (under the map tho) and freaking out when the dummy ran over the gaps, but i think that was just cl-40 knockback

[deep karma]

Invulnerable motion sensor stuck in geometry sounds promising.
Getting a clear set up on that would be useful.

[shell sonnet]

ok, mines are weird
it doesnt work with only motion sensors, but a mine as foundation can reliably glitch it below

but yeah, it uses your full gadget arsenal

[shell sonnet]

weeeeell, there might be some fun to be had

because it does work with stacked explosives, and they end up looking like a single mine

i really hope someone else gets funny ideas with these

i need more tech

[deep karma]

I got it with two, just put Prox Sensor on the bottom of a throwable, put it on the edge so it's underground, then reshape it.

Then it's stuck underground.

[shell sonnet]

i think that just up-warped, lemme check

[deep karma]

Sometimes it upwarps but I think it depends on the canister and how level it is. I got it with Goo Canisters reliably.

[shell sonnet]

upwarps

[shell sonnet]

ive only gotten it witha mine so far, imma try that next

works with goo-barrels
neat

i can upwarp it by letting go of a canister thats wall-clipping into it

ok so, if you put mines on the motion sensors top, it wont explode if someone walks over it, its too far away
if you put it on the side it explodes
but if you put c4 on that, the c4 wont be triggered for whatever eason?

[deep karma]

Does the mine do damage or just explode? Explosive mine specifically, ignoring fire damage from pyro.

[shell sonnet]

it explodes, deals damage, but doesnt detonate the c4
sometimes i might add, because it did happen just now

ok, i think i might be getting it reliably now, no idea what went wrong that one time

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

i can fucking downwarp a nuke through a floor

[shell sonnet]

also works with gravity vortex, allowing you to create a black hole on the opposite side of a wall/floor

visually bugged
sometimes it still displays the vortex particles, sometimes its invisible

what im now wondering is

a nuke downwarps, and then stops when it hits the floor below
a turret keeps falling until its out of bounds and despawns
why?

i could imagine its something about being non-physical
turret as 1 whole thing is non-physical and keeps falling

the mine stacks are multiple small objects, so perhaps only some become non-physical, and the others stay in place because theyre only attached?
and those then stop it from passing through the floor completely
sadly i cant test that because i cant downwarp single small objects

[shell sonnet]

Gonna mess around with goo launching tomorrow i think

Anybody got knowledge on it?

[upper kayak]

Can there be an option to set the distance indicator for the gateway to one position on the UI. It's hard to see how far you are from it when running because the icon moves around the edge of your screen.

[elfin hound]

I think we need to get a fighter jet on our wrist

[tender dune]

Probably not that’s pretty oddly specific

[spice vigil]

i think data reshaper could use a bit of a rework, in that changing things deployed by enemies could cost 2 charges, and arena props could cost 1 charge, with a max 3 charges

this means you cant demolish everything the enemy plaves down, but can get more utility and destruction from the arena which is what the game should be at its core

[boreal laurel]

Quick PSA for anyone struggling to face riot shield: dash and grapple work wonders.

And another PSA for anyone who happens to be matched with me: don't defib me. Pretty much ever. Thanks.

[silent bough]

the riot shield is made for degens

[muted condor]

Only defib me if we’re down to the last seconds of a cash out

The riot shield is made to skill check over confident silver players

[tender dune]

deagles should 3 shot lights with just body

that would be very much appreaciiated from the enitirety of the heavy community

[upper kayak]

Huh? It’d be a QoL change, devs change small things like that all the time to make the experience better. I’m just pointing out that it’s something that could use a change like that.

[plucky spade]

The riot shield filters golds

[plucky spade]

What next, revolver 2 shots lights?

[modest lynx]

Headshot , what's a Headshot?

[void ice]

simply learn how to hit head

[steel knoll]

absolutely

[steel knoll]

yes king

[plucky spade]

" Light mains dropped to 0, CB-01 obsolete "

[warped whale]

Had to share this somewhere, it was too funny played with a medium last night that did this hahaha

[eternal temple]

guys ops on mini gun

[cunning slate]

Pool que skin for spear. Does it exist?

[warped flame]

No

[warped flame]

Takes a long time to rev up but apart from that it is fun and also very easy to use

[cunning slate]

Is it a good idea?

[ruby shoal]

what does APS turret actually do and does it really help defend the cashout

[unique oasis]

cool

[mystic flame]

it stops throwables

and grenades, which includes rpgs

[ruby shoal]

oh okay its useful then xD

[wooden sonnet]

Fr

[proper elbow]

Simply on another level

[warped whale]

For real, why climb when you can zipline you know?

[brave solar]

it's not bad by any means... it can be pretty easy to deal with for an experienced player

some heavy options are worse, some are better. it's fine

[muted halo]

l feel like this is probably gonna get patched if people start using it in normal games

[boreal laurel]

It’s very feast-or-famine. If you get caught out of position or unready, you’re dead and there’s nothing you can do about it. If you shoot first, you shred. In this way it definitely tests your skills at positioning, preparation, and situational awareness rather than just your aim. It also demands that you rely heavily on your team and relegates your gadgets mostly to placeables rather than say RPG or lockbolt. In short, it forces you to play a very different game, which is fine if you’re up for that kind of thing. I like it now and then, but it’s too static in its playstyle for me to main

[wheat jetty]

Hmm culd be fun if they made a double toilet plunger fore dual sword skin

[wheat jetty]

And a mario plumber outfit fore the caracter

[deep turtle]

I went up a zipline into a suspended structure on Monaco and lunged three enemies in a row all huddled in there.
We jumpscared each other.
Felt awesome.

[raw cave]

you can do it yourself

[weary moss]

guys im new, whats the best light weapons

having hardtime between double barrel and 93r for competitive

[lucid plinth]

93R

Basically it’s almost a laser gun

[upper kayak]

Depends on ur preference, but in terms of damage/range the 93r is the best. Double barrel is good too but obviously it has next to no range

[lucid plinth]

Most underrated weapon tho

[indigo nexus]

93r underrated..?

[lucid plinth]

M26 is such a good choice, too

[upper kayak]

Not this season, been seeing everyone use it lol

[indigo nexus]

93r has been in the meta for a while

m26, now you could make a case for that being underrated with how little use it gets despite being a good contender

[lucid plinth]

idk if players use it widely in NA or European server but here I’m in Southeast Asia players barely use it

[grim jasper]

I had only used the m26 when it came out and wrote it off, I used it in a tdm last week and now keep running it when I run light

[grim jasper]

Its been used to hell in NA from what I've seen in my matches

[indigo nexus]

I see. It's mainstream in EU

competitively at least, but still pretty common in casual

[lucid plinth]

Players here are sweaty ARN lovers

[indigo nexus]

ARN is similarly viable really

[lucid plinth]

Do u guys even use the Thermal Bore?

I bring it in matches every time the arena has suspended structures

[grim jasper]

I've noticed it being used more recently, but for that exact reason I run goo gun and make a buffer. Its definitely a smart move to have it in reserves for this reason though

[lucid plinth]

idk if it’s even super useful, I just feel that taking down structures and destroying walls from long range are kinda fun😮‍💨

[grim jasper]

Oh trust me its useful! I agree with this as well destruction just makes the game soooo much better.

[rose tulip]

how did u get the vayia or cns tag ?

[compact tundra]

Go to the server settings and select channels & roles, it lets you pick that stuff there

[round sable]

Are the throwing knives good

[red pumice]

No

[round sable]

Ok

[indigo nexus]

they're fine.

if you're having to ask what weapons are good your skill level is too low for it to matter.

[brave solar]

they've got some pretty glaring issues but there are a few upsides. they're pretty fun at the end of the day sooooo play em regardless

[sudden pewter]

Yes

I find them quite easy to do well with

[compact tundra]

Very good if you can hit your shots, I hate them

[compact tundra]

A fellow flame mesh sister. What gadgets do you use?

[warped whale]

Heal ball and lockbolt

[compact tundra]

Fair enough, I like going full battle heavy, dome, rpg, barricades

I swear the triple shield works, barricade blocking is actually clutch a lot of times

[grim jasper]

Tripple chuck makes me feel some kind of way when playing power shift

[warped whale]

Also rpg for me I tried the winchclaw today and kept dying soooo much because I'm so used to mesh I kept misusing it thinking I was pulling out a shield hahaha

[compact tundra]

That's fair, it's just a muscle memory problem. I prefer shield over winch tho because B-hop sliding with mesh lets you keep a lot of mobility and can close distances, along with keeping mesh's more defensive uses, whereas with winch it's really just offensive

[warped whale]

Yeah I wanted to try it because when I miss my bolt, lights dash just far enough away from me that my flamethrower doesn't reach them and I wanted to yank them back in but muscle memory messed me up haha

[grim jasper]

Fellas fellas I feel we're all forgetting the best spec in the game

[compact tundra]

Praise the goo god. 20 shots of pure perfection. I'd never forget about the best spec in the game.

[grim jasper]

Lol I'm just really proud of how shitty of a meme I made. I just really love goo because if used right you can the same effect as a mesh shield and winch at the same time

[compact tundra]

Actually Deraingo does have a point kinda, goo is a better winch with flamethrower if you can hit your shots

[compact tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[worldly bolt]

Goo Barricade skin would be cool, barricade skins in general are needed

[compact tundra]

Like the barricade looks like goo?

[grim jasper]

trueee also why cant I put stickers and charms on my barricade 😡

[compact tundra]

Now that's fair. Just if barricade looks like goo it'd fuck up interactions

[grim jasper]

I think you could make it work. Just dont add too much 3d detail. Like the goo is engraved into the barricade

[compact tundra]

Oh that's fine I just don't want barricade to look like goo. Cause sword breaks goo in line 3-4 hits, it takes like 20 to break a barricade

I have no problem with more goo worship tho, a goo engraving on barricade is a very funny idea

[grim jasper]

Oh yea no for sure I think that's why embark is seemingly reluctant to make these "look alike" skins because the potential of them being too disruptive

[cunning slate]

How would you balance an auto shotgun?

[compact tundra]

The SA12 is a good example

[grim jasper]

Less ammo, or higher reload time, keep the range within the same meterage as sa12 or db

[compact tundra]

The matter is an aight example but I.kinda think matters sustain + damage + decent range for a shotgun is a little too good right now

[grim jasper]

I think a semi auto striker 12 could work for heavy as long as the heavy still had to hand load it.

[grim jasper]

I agree. I had only touched the matter when it came out before monday. My first game with it on I went 12 and 5 in powershift

[compact tundra]

It's certainly not op right now, but I just don't like how versatile it is along with it's great sustain. I think it might be ok with like 6 shots and a longer mag reload and maybe a little more reliable range. So like still can mostly meat shot at 10-12 meters but less bullets and a much longer reload

[cunning slate]

Id see aa12 or Spas

Spas would actually be more balanced. Managing a slow to reload pump action, but having a fast semi-auto to play with.

[compact tundra]

The striker looks cool and I wouldn't mind that, damn good burst, but poor range and a punishing reload. Probably would over shadow the SA12 tho since sustain on a heavy shotgun isn't as big of a factor in higher Elos when a supported heavy can team wipe

[grim jasper]

Yea I think the matter is the only shotgun that needs work imo. Like you said just slightly reduce the damage sustainability. SA I dont know because I havent used it too much, but ks23, model, and db are all in a good state rn imo.

[compact tundra]

I don't know, I love where double barrel is but it's oppressive in sweaty hands. It honestly might need a rework

[worldly bolt]

I mean if it looks like a goo wall just shrunk and shrunk to the correct perimeters of barricade i think it could be pretty cool, but engraving is probably smarter yeah because imagine they release it and someone gets confused as to why the goo clusters are shrunk so yeah engraved would probably work fine

[compact tundra]

So goo nades and barrels can create smaller clusters, the problem would be that barricade is way more tanky than goo, so itd be really confusing to fight if it looked like goo

[cunning slate]

Should we push for adding acid? Like acid grenades / barrels that melt the enviroment.

[worldly bolt]

Yes!!

[compact tundra]

Probably not, would shift up the meta a lot

[cunning slate]

Thought so.

[cunning slate]

Love the enthusiasm.

[worldly bolt]

Yeah thats why i think engraved could be equally as cool (comp wise)

[compact tundra]

It would over power fire and gas since I can't think of anything that counters it, and would give destructive capabilities, would probably instantly become meta

[shell sonnet]

i love goo gun

sadly my science was left fruitless today, no goo launches :(

[compact tundra]

R.I.P. goo planes and launchers, we miss you.

[grim jasper]

Or even just making sure the metallic texture is obvious enough. I think for barricade its especially difficult to make it look like something else because how thin it is. If we try and make it look like goo it ads bulk to the barricade which could affect the hit box of the barricade.

[shell sonnet]

might not work
the grid system is too rough for acid to really feel fluid
and where it works its likely just a worse form of explosive?
i dont really see it

(especially if it could create semi-permanent floor hazards where spilled)

[worldly bolt]

Maybe it could be a skin for dematerializer i think that could work but also idk because demat is immediate so maybe skin for thermal bore if that makes sense?

[grim jasper]

I got caught up with other stuff sorry it took so long for the response

[grim jasper]

I like this. I think frost, or a "sticky" substance would work well too

[worldly bolt]

Yeah so definitely just engraved

[cunning slate]

Id think it work like a more gradular, permenant demat effect.

[cunning slate]

We talked about that, but how would you see a "sticky" effect?

[grim jasper]

Just slows people down so like a "Gum" Barrel that drops gum on surfaces and it sticks for 15 seconds. When a user touches it they "Stick" to it i.e. if they stand on it their movement speed is decreased as long as they are standing on it then they have a 1.5 second cool down where they still have slow. If they touch it then they are given slow for the 1.5 second cool down. If you are on a vertical surface touching "Gum" you're velocity downward is slowed for as long as you're touching it.

The ice would be similar in that if you're hit by the ice you get slowed but if you walk on an iced surface your players friction is reduced and you slide around on the surface while it takes 5 second to melt

[compact tundra]

@orchid creek
That's a shitty contract but the easiest way to do it is probably quick cash or cash out . Run grapple or cloak light with the double barrel, gateway and nullifier. Gateway vaults to make sure you always cash the vault and then nullify or Melt anyone anytime they steal. If grapple use it to run the vault faster and to grapple in to prevent steals. If cloak then hide and nullify them while their stealing

[cunning slate]

We came up with the idea that id increase enviro damage, reduce player friction, and some other thing i forgot about.

[orchid creek]

I meant to post that in the #game-feedback, my mistake.

[shell sonnet]

people really dont like slows
and given how negatively people already react to being glitched for another half second after leaving a glitch traps aoe, i mdoubt this would go well

[compact tundra]

You did but I'm on cooldown so I had to respond here

[shell sonnet]

i wouldnt slow on ice either
instead, icing up the feet for x seconds so you have slippery floor physics whereever you go
but even on that im not sure if that would be fine

[grim jasper]

This is true. I'd just like more objects I could use, more utility

[shell sonnet]

but there are other ways, without impacting players in this way
im sure there are ways

but personally i do love combos, so id be interested to see where this goes

[cunning slate]

Yeah. As long as it doesn't up player damage taken.

[compact tundra]

Just saw this in game feedback and I want this as a shotgun so bad now

1 slug plus that top heavy spread. Cat girl shotgun for medium please!!!!🙏

Realistically tho it'd work as a 4 shot clip shotgun with a 1 shot slug as the alt fire

The other takes are dog shit tho

[cunning slate]

Idk why, but I don't like the model. Its strong, but it sucks.

[compact tundra]

Na it's super fun, one of my favorite weapons in the game. That thing is mean if you can hit the shots, especially at mid range

[cunning slate]

Yeah, but it's the cycle animation has too much view shake.

[compact tundra]

It doesn't view shake for me, that's weird

[outer atlas]

What other games yall play /that I should try

[compact tundra]

Shadowrun 2007

[outer atlas]

Kkkk

[compact tundra]

Gonna have to go to gamestop to get a disc tho. And there's like no players left so you'll also have to play bot matches unless you find a group still playing (there's a few on Xbox I believe). But it's one of my favorite shooters ever made

[outer atlas]

Kk I’ll try it

[cunning slate]

Wat

[compact tundra]

Hot take, but I kinda want an ltm to bring back the "revive 3 players in a game, 3 times" daily contract. It was really funny watching people fight over revives and call coin users as many slurs as they could get out

I watched people actually chase each other stealing statues out of each other's hands and it was super funny.

[outer atlas]

If it hard to get the gem red thingy in ranked than emerald one in world tour?

[compact tundra]

Ruby is harder than emerald because you don't lose rank in WT, so it's just your ability to grind, while ranked does have you lose rank on losses, so you can get locked in certain ranks due to skill or team comp

[compact tundra]

Your doing gods work my man, I am now going to bully quick cash players with this on skyway stadium

[shell sonnet]

have fun
if you get any ideas, let me know
there is still so much tech to discover, but we need to know where to look

[compact tundra]

I kinda wanna try that barricade mine C4 combo you showed with winch. Winching people into a barricade nuke sounds fun

Gonna have my buddy run light so we can add breach charges to the barricade nuke

[timber sentinel]

Willbo3lml

[shell sonnet]

actually, did i post the vortex video?

dont think so
basically, if you put vortex on an object, you can place it in a way that the vortex faces downwards and summons the black hole on the opposite side of a wall/floor
might be silly to trap people with

i wonder what happens in if spawns inside a wall?
does it pull everything?
does it pull nothing?

[compact tundra]

Note taken, I'm guessing you use the red barrel trick for that one. We could add anti grav cube and maybe a glitch mine to guarantee they get stuck in the black hole and then bully the shit out of them.

[shell sonnet]

not even red just
i think any works as long as its on floor high facing down, since it spawns like a meter away

with glitch trap that'd be mean tho

[compact tundra]

Yes, gonna throw a dome down and then just emote on them before they get cooked in fire

[shell sonnet]

its pretty easy with goo barrels
look down while holding it, let go to make it fall on the round side, place on the flat side facing you, pick back up, look straight ahead, drop

[stoic garden]

yet again high quality setting videos reminding me this game has stunning graphics

[shell sonnet]

i aint gonna make that thing load and save 3 different times just to see which one is small enough to post without nitro
you will take your 3 pixels and you will learn from them

[stoic garden]

no i mean

ingame high quality settings lol, idc about video size, besides you can post large videos in this server with boosts

[shell sonnet]

yeah its like 1 am, my brain isnt working, i dont get it lol

[compact tundra]

Don't worry I'm fluent in sleep deprived.
He sayin yo shit looks pretty, good graphics bro 👍

[shell sonnet]

ay, thx
with the blurry shit tho?

[compact tundra]

Looks like good motion blur

[shell sonnet]

🤷‍♂️

idrk a lot about graphics, dont mind that much either as long as it looks decent
the coins looked pretty tho

[compact tundra]

Your bio confuses me, what are your pronouns

[shell sonnet]

well "shoes loving wife"
if in doubt, thats a good point to go off of

[compact tundra]

I changed it to she because I figured but just gonna ask to be safe

[shell sonnet]

true, cant hurt to ask

[stoic garden]

he/him i'm a man 🕺🏿

i just have a pfp theme thing going on, gradually changing bio and shit into other footwears once in a while

[compact tundra]

And that's why asking is good, makes sense

[stoic garden]

though most are more interested in the first link in the bio that never changes

[compact tundra]

I have weirdly enough seem way more dudes on this server with only fans then women

[stoic garden]

i haven't clicked the link myself, some say they got jumpscared by opening it tho

[shell sonnet]

idk the name of the fallacy (confirmation bias maybe?) and you just see a lot more men in general
could that be it?

[compact tundra]

Bro really linked a random only fans on their bio, that's really funny

[stoic garden]

i just put my name in the link idk

[compact tundra]

IDK probably but if seen a few dudes with thirst trap picks and a linked only fans

[compact tundra]

Sorry didn't mean to X. Now I'm curious tho

[compact tundra]

Oh God, I'm gonna wait till I'm off work then, I need the full experience

[shell sonnet]

do yall happen to know any niche mechanic or bug i should investigate when the inevitable boredome hits?

[maiden panther]

Is there a tier list or anything to see what is good rn and what isn’t?

[eager wasp]

youtube videos perchance

[maiden panther]

Sadge 😔

[grim jasper]

uhhhh saving this for later

[gleaming aspen]

hear me out cloak m11 glitch grenade gateway and cloak grenade

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075151392014073957/1410564510523064422/IMG_4039.gif

[red pumice]

Based

[boreal pike]

Anyone know how many projectiles APS stops exact.

4 right?

[wispy saffron]

As light do you really need to use glitch grenade or can u just sub it out with smth else

[compact tundra]

Glitch is usually a must pick but I don't like them and I don't use them. Very good tho probably recommend not swapping them out I'm just an off meta weirdo.

• Grapple
• Sword
• Gateway
• Vanish bomb
• Breach charge

[weary moss]

guys is 93r the best weapon i can use in lights?

[compact tundra]

It's really good but XP or ARN is probably the best options

[stoic garden]

dont gatekeep lil bro, 93r is basically the best light weapon rn

[plucky lark]

They should add a nuclear bomb for heavy

[timber sparrow]

93r easily the best

[outer atlas]

The arn is underrated

Please add long sword for heavy or maybe BOXIN GLOVES

Please add m4a1 for light

I’m

NO ADD M1911 for medium

[timber sparrow]

Its the second most used light weapon rn

Anything but underrated

theres a chart showing all the stuff being used at top level out there

93r and arn are the top 2 weapons being used rn (for light)

[outer atlas]

Where da charts

[timber sparrow]

i dont have it on me ill look it up later for you

[outer atlas]

Kk

[timber sparrow]

this is the current light equipment at the highest level of play and prob what your gonna see in the s8 tournament unless they change the balance drastically

[outer atlas]

You saying nobody uses grapple hook😭 or am I missing something

[quasi hornet]

Specialization idea:
Jester
When active and got shot, the shooter would be detected for every player in the game and their hud will me glitched
(Probably brought by CNS)

[hasty thistle]

no its not really used in high ranks

[timber sparrow]

this is only at the highest levels of play

casually ofc grapple hook is used, but the farther you go in ranked the more its gonna look like that pie chart

[outer atlas]

So this pie chart of ranked players

[hasty thistle]

no, pro league

[outer atlas]

Lemme see pie chart medium or nah

Tf is pro league

Searched it up nvm

Grapple hook is so much fun tho bru

[spring spear]

Yeah no one uses it its all dash since its so much better than the other 2, same with winch and demat

[elfin dirge]

Would you guys say goo gun flamethrower and dome shield together is good?

[prime coral]

Flamethrower is... kinda bad. I just played a few matches with it and... I don't like it.

[elfin dirge]

🤔

[prime coral]

It needs more damage against Mediums and Heavies.

[outer atlas]

It’s not bad you gotta use it right

Good gun is good choice but try the grapple thing so they ain’t runnin from u

[elfin dirge]

About damage I feel like the minigun should do a little more

[prime coral]

Minigun is fine lol

[elfin dirge]

I guess then skill issues

[versed orchid]

lol ive taken out the entire game with the mini gun just gotta know how to use it

[wicked blade]

Shak-50 is the best overall, range, clip size.. just gotta have good aim lol

[steel ice]

Whats better, Revolver or repeater?

[boreal laurel]

Repeater

[muted condor]

SA12 is technically the best with current winch

[steel ice]

Reason being?

[boreal laurel]

Slightly easier to make work well, better performance at range, more rounds in the mag

[light glade]

Make the outer pellets of the Model slightly tighter, but make the reload speed slightly slower.

[steel ice]

Makes sense!

[hardy dust]

Generally repeater is better, but if you're really good revolver has more potential.

Repeater is a lot better against lights but worse against heavies.

[steel ice]

Sight or irons?

[hardy dust]

Personal preference

I prefer red dot, especially for repeater

[steel ice]

I'll give it a try!

[hardy dust]

Although some revolver skins have good irons

[steel ice]

Like whichn ones?

Do you know?

[hardy dust]

Not the spinny one 😭

Anyways good luck!

[steel ice]

Thanks so much!

[hushed hare]

stfu

[steel ice]

?

[left sage]

I wish the ks23 had stable accuracy like other shotguns

It's not like it can headshot anyway and missing is so punishing with it

[eager wasp]

personally i just wish that they kept it fully projectile and decided to buff it any other way

its like taking dagger, fucking up the backstab (the main point of the weapon) buffing the m1 so that it becomes a brainless m1 spam for most and taking away its uniqueness.... oh wait

[left sage]

Just started playing so I never tried it when it was fully projectile, I hear it was inconsistent as hell though

I get what you're saying though

[eager wasp]

yeah bc it still had its inconsistencies plus the fact that it was a projectile so it would effect it more, but like, thats the fun and joy of the weapon, they could just toned it down a little bit or slightly buffed either its reload speed or damage and it would've been so much better for the game

[left sage]

Yeah it feels a bit awkward right now, very strong at like 13-18 meters

Any closer and your TTK starts failing you and 20-30 you're getting hit by the early damage drop off

It doesn't need much

[compact tundra]

Nastiest QM of my life, was 1v1ing a friend. Genuinely frame perfect

[brazen mango]

Embark is allergic to make Heavy guns fire where you aim them

Minigun becomes less accurate when you AIM AROUND with it, Deagles have horrid spread and KS does too

[mellow flume]

minigun is ass yeah but deagles seem to be at least accurate enough

[spring spear]

Flamethrower is kinda bad but I mean if you're gonna use it then either winch or goo gun are the way to go

[left sage]

I love the minigun personally, the aiming bloom is weird but only really matters when I'm trying to track the point blank blinking light

Could destroy walls a bit faster but that's more for power fantasy than anything else

[gilded furnace]

Will someone help me learn how to aim in this game and overall on controller this is my first fps game and to make it worse i am on ps4 and not planning to gaming for long term bcz the ps4 i have is borrowed from a friend plz help

[civic salmon]

New weapon for heavy. The auto poker 9000. Think mini gun but it jus jabs over an over

[shell sonnet]

wouldnt that just be a chainsaw that stabs?
a stabsaw?

[civic salmon]

If anything it's more like a tactical reciprocating saw

[spark umbra]

whats this monstrosity 🙏 😭

[civic salmon]

It's spear but in pog form!

[outer atlas]

Change your settings and mess around in practice range until you find the right sensitivity

Sensitivity is key to being good in the finals

/i would recommend you my sensitivity but i ain’t got my console on me Soo

[maiden nest]

I'm sure this suggestion has been made a few times already, but it would be pretty baller if heavy had a sniper too, something like an anti-materiel, .50 caliber rifle, capable of destroying walls in one shot

But to make it different from SR-84, it could be noticeably slower to ADS and rechamber between rounds, with increased base damage but reduced headshot mult

For example, 140 dmg, x1.5 mult? Can't one-shot lights without a headshot, but can two-shot mediums

[civic salmon]

That would be pure unadulterated cancer. Think of the uncontestable high ground a sniper heavy could get with goo gun

[maiden nest]

To be fair I didn't even consider the goo gun, never seen it being used in my matches yet

But you're making a valid point

[civic salmon]

I use it all the time in kyoto powershift to make bamboo tree forts an snipe people with the ks23

which, is essentially the gun you described to be honest. same kinda idea

[maiden nest]

We have plenty of guns that are kinda similar to each other but not really, no? So it shouldn't be an issue

It could be a long-ranged sidegrade, with a high-powered scope, increased hitscan range and near-unusable hipfire

[left sage]

Give the heavy the lynx .50, bullpup semi automatic .50 cal with absurd recoil

[civic salmon]

Not really.. they all have their different niche. But when thinking up a weapon design it's always a good practice to think "what would happen when a cheater using aimbot gets ahold of this" like, do you really want a 350 HP sniper with it's own pocket healer sitting somewhere

[left sage]

I mean if a cheater gets anything it's going to be hell I don't see much difference tbh

Cheater could already run around with the deagles if they want

[maiden nest]

Balancing and designing weapons with cheaters in mind seems kinda stupid, isn't it?

Like delta said, a cheater could just shred the lobby with Akimbo .50 instead

[civic salmon]

Cool, then Im wrong you're right. lets give heavy a sniper

idc I run dual blades anyways so w/e

[shell sonnet]

yeah, balancing for cheaters isnt a great idea
those shouldnt exist
just like how bugs shouldnt dictate game balance

but a sniper on heavy would be game breaking

[civic salmon]

Fine, replace cheater with ruby player, same thought process

[maiden nest]

A man can dream, never said it was a good idea

[civic salmon]

what is the weapon going to look like in the hands of a high skilled player

[maiden nest]

Just thought it would be a cool thing to have

[left sage]

In TDM or other non cash modes I agree it would be really strong, don't see a slow heavy sniper being that good in cash modes though

[civic salmon]

It's def cool, I'm not sayin it isn't. It's jus, I can see it getting out of hand fast

I started playing this game when the SR was still hitscan an you could have 2 frags and 2 explosive mines. Now imagine powershift with 5 hitscan snipers. or any team comp all throwing frags left an right every 2 seconds

Stuff kinda snowballs when you stack it. None of these items exist in a vacum

Honestly, I hope we get that gun game mode that the china client has in s8. I'm gonna be really ticked if they get a gamemode we don't an its one we've been pitching since day 1

[left sage]

Ks23 three stacks one shotting mediums and lights sounds funny and now I want to try

[civic salmon]

You have to make sure to corinate outfits so you all look like different versions of the t-800 terminator

[left sage]

100%

[left sage]

Wonder if the ks23 getting a 10% headshot multiplier would be out of the question

[boreal laurel]

In all seriousness it really just needs to go back to projectile-only and have dispersion removed. Currently it hits plenty hard when it actually hits; I think most people would rather just have it hit reliably than do extra damage. Not that I’d complain to see a headshot multi get added of course

[left sage]

My thinking is that a headshot would enable melee to actually help you at close range, help mitigate the slow TTK with a skill check

[weary moss]

famas or ak?

[muted condor]

Famas

[weary moss]

should i main medium or heavy, im aiming for high rank

[muted condor]

Join us heavies

We have way more fun than the other classes and aren’t over picked

[weary moss]

seems fun, can you give me your best loadout?

[mental lark]

YESSSSS
We played Head-2-Head yesterday as 2 teams of 3 heavies and it was probably the most fun I had in months!

[uncut zephyr]

great idea!

[muted condor]

Winch, SA12, gravity cube, dome, and rpg
The SA12 is one of the harder guns to use so if you want to learn heavy the Shak is a simpler weapon to play first

[grim jasper]

Could we make it so each spear extends like half a meter?

[shell sonnet]

tbf, spear should have a lot of range
i know it does have more rn, but maybe more isnt out of the question?
it would allow them to kind of tip-toe around sledge heavies and allow them to win sometimes if they know how to make use of it

[compact tundra]

Ok I think I'm at a crossroads with the double barrel. On one hand it can be really repressive and just does daggers and swords job better than them. But on the other hand it's one of the best rat popping weapons in the game and is lights go to anti light pick. Like the CL-40 on medium or the KS-23 on heavy. And I think rat popper weapons are needed for when you're playing like TDM or Cashout against a annoying full light team.

[royal pier]

The range is generally invalidated by the fact that attacking massively slows you.

[indigo nexus]

That’s more of a speed issue I think, you will never be able to tiptoe around a correctly playing heavy that well while you’re walking backwards and they’re walking forwards

[royal pier]

And the fact that lunge just doesn't work on it right now.

[indigo nexus]

Spear doesn’t really need a longer range I think. But if it could somehow be more mobile, that might be nice…

[compact tundra]

Pole vaulting?

[royal pier]

It was weird going back to sledgehammer after a while and having lunge actually work.

[indigo nexus]

…anything but that

[royal pier]

It just needs to have lunge work properly (and hitreg fixed).

[indigo nexus]

Yeah, that would satisfy me

[royal pier]

It's weird that they figured out how to make melee hit reg consistent on Riot Shield by just having the hitboxes be bigger and last longer, but didn't do that for the other weapons that need the same treatment.

"We're investigating the hitreg issues."

Like, mfs, you figured out the solution already.

[compact tundra]

From what I know a Melee rework is coming in season 8, maybe on launch

[royal pier]

Believe it when I see it.

[stoic garden]

embark takes seasons to deliver, we can only wait

[compact tundra]

My left picky toe has been whispering of a coming medieval themed season, might be season 8

[royal pier]

Source? I vaguely remember something about a longsword skin, but that doesn't confirm anything.

[stoic garden]

source? his left picky toe

[compact tundra]

The soothe seer I sealed in my left pinky toe, they've been yapping about it.

[royal pier]

I do not trust toes. They've led me astray before.

[compact tundra]

Mines pretty good it predicted a war before

It's also really good at picking cards, like when I'm playing exploding kittens, I always get their diffuser.

[stoic garden]

you mean defuser

[compact tundra]

Bro honestly if your time is limited just pick something fun and go ham in casual. Even with bad aim there are plenty of weapons that are fun to use

[indigo nexus]

The spear's issues definitely aren't hitbox size, at least the most overt issues

the main issue is to do with the wall detection misfiring

making the hitbox for the spin attack bigger would actually worsen that

[shell sonnet]

Why does it even stop if a wall is close?

Ignore people behind walls, but if someone is in a door, with walls to the left/right of them, but a direct l.o.s. to you it should hit
Even if it needs to phase through a wall first

[muted condor]

Wait they actually deliver?

[shell sonnet]

Something they should do tho is make the m2 hitbox higher/lower somehow
I cant hit people while on stairs

[indigo nexus]

pff, the implementation must be more complex than one would think

it might be due to using a generic melee damage system that everything else also uses, and thus has rules in place which are unintuitive when only considering that attack

[muted condor]

Embark some how completely fucked up a spin attack and bouncing objects

[indigo nexus]

I think the issue is clientside, so I guess that rules out some possible complications

[bronze apex]

buff dmg of each shot to 110, allowing shoot+qm combo able to kill a light (ttk for other archetypes unchanged) and I'm a happy contestant

[compact tundra]

No please, this would exclusively fuck sword

And dagger ig but like they don't matter

[civic salmon]

Sobs into backstab in the corner

[bronze apex]

make sense🤔 ...Just for reference, other than slapping a crit multiplier on da gun
what do you think is the minimal change needed to make the KS-23 more operable in a high-elo scenario?

[civic salmon]

increase it's arena dmg so it takes one shot to blow open a wall BUT give it extreme fall off dmg so at 35+ m it does what it does now. And decrease the reload time a lil

[compact tundra]

I'm sorry but like dagger is just so icky. Heavies hate dagger because of face stabs, lights laugh at dagger because they're usually a free kill, mediums don't even have to worry about dagger cause they shouldn't be leaving their team. And on top of that It's just been beaten so thoroughly it's honestly just sad to watch at this point

[compact tundra]

Fire rate, despite having great damage the ttk on non lights is the issue I see

Keep the reload punishing and buff the fire rate, it's the same change they should have used on the model

[civic salmon]

People who think face stabs are a thing clearly don't understand how hitboxes work. I think it should be mandatory to have at least 10 hours on a weapon before complaining about it. Except Cl40. delete that sht

[flint mantle]

While you make a good point, it’s also just a weapon with a higher skill gap, you have to close the distance and try to get behind them

[compact tundra]

Watch this clip

[flint mantle]

I agree cl40 gotta go

[civic salmon]

imo heavy should get dagger...just cause that'd be funny. no other reason

[flint mantle]

Agreed 👍

[civic salmon]

Like, all other factors of the weapon aside. I jus can't stand hearing that thing constantly go off anymore.

[muted condor]

I’m about to add this horrible take to the list with .50 cal for heavy and spear throw

[flint mantle]

Throwing knives should have a point where they can’t throw, my gun has to reload but they get infinite knives? Make it make sense

[muted condor]

If I hear it one more time it’s off to the pit

[civic salmon]

THANK YOU, finally someone else who is with me on the spear throw being the worst idea

[muted condor]

If someone wants a throw able melee weapon they need to make the weapon built around that from the start

[flint mantle]

Spear already keeps wiping my whole team, I don’t wanna worry about a long range spear impaling my skull

[muted condor]

Amazing

[flint mantle]

Get it out of my sight… and into my hands 🙌

[civic salmon]

The auto poker 9000 is srs business

[bronze apex]

i imagine it functioning 40k Darktide Ogryn Krourk Cleaver style💀

[flint mantle]

I want a backwards pistol skin for the dagger, so it looks like I’m pistol whippin people

[civic salmon]

It's right up there with my mock up for Heavy gettin a buster sword

[muted condor]

Holy peak

[bronze apex]

that's fire

[silver orchid]

why with dagger when you backstab people its not always a heart dagger symbol ?

[civic salmon]

Heh, ty. I needed some kinda img to go with the remix I made for s7 an thought this fit the best

[compact tundra]

This was my favorite dagger rework Idea I came up with
Idea 1; when rats fly
Rapier & dagger, so this is the first idea I had, you hold a rapier in your right hand, and a reverse grip dagger in the other. Tapping your main fire makes you stab the rapier dealing 70 DMG,
(3 shots lights, 4 shots mediums, 5 shots heavies)
it swings a bit slower than the swords main fire. Holding your main fire causes you to charge up the dagger stab which on face deals 70, but on back deals 180. Charging the dagger doesn't limit your movement but it does stop you from using your other attacks or abilities.
(Back stab 1 shots lights, back stab + stab perfect kills medium, 2 back stabs kill heavy)
Holding alt fire makes you charge your rapier, charging your rapier doesn't effect your movement. upon hitting an enemy it does 70dmg, but does 3 meters of knock back, hitting the ground or a wall knocks you 3 meters opposite of where you hit. It's best to be mid air when launching yourself since friction still slows you down but you can use this as a mini pogo jump. So looking behind you and towards the ground would send you in the air and a bit forwards (backwards from where your looking at the ground). I think this would make dagger super fun since not only can you now take fights without backstabs but backstabs are still rewarding, but you can jump over people and knock them away when the pressure is to high. You can clear gaps with this and jump over some walls. I say 3m but that's with friction, I think if you jump just before charge attacking the ground than 4-5m seems fair to give a good boost. I think this gives dagger a good movement option and more versitility without making it a complete sword clone and giving it a unique function.

[silver orchid]

why ppl complaining abt the dagger ?
just shoot at the light they squishy

[civic salmon]

I really kinda like that ngl. You might like the idea I had for jus melee rework in general that would be utilizing the reload key to add a new secondary attack for melee weapon users. That way the weapons can be buffed/nerfed/adjusted with an extra ability that could be more utility focused. i.e. sledge getting a upwards swing to knock stuff in air, blades getting a combat roll/slash, etc

[compact tundra]

Ohhh that is a cool idea. That's the first good Melee rework I think I've heard, utilizing the reload key for extra utility

[civic salmon]

Like if server synch wasn't already a nightmare, how could would it be for sword to have a perfect parry mechanic

[bronze apex]

we unironically need Crow Quills from Dark Souls III dlc

[muted halo]

for anyone saying face stab isn't a thing against dagger... unless they fix third person animations not matching or improve netcode buffing angle on it is the same as asking for a disaster. From the perspective of the player against dagger it seems like a facestab more times then the opposite...

[indigo nexus]

when people say it isn't a thing they mean that it's a visual issue on the victim's end.

there is no possible way to fix this issue without removing the backstab altogether. Though some changes could help it a little.

[compact tundra]

Yo wanna team up and make like a concept song for what a medieval season song could sound like, I write orchestral music but have no idea how to do techno style music

It's short but I wasn't able to write more because the file corrupted while writing the next part

[royal pier]

I also think throw is a terrible idea.

[royal pier]

100% aimed accuracy.

[royal pier]

I was talking about the main attack chain. They already fixed the spin in the past. Just...re-fix it.

[indigo nexus]

I haven't noticed any main attack chain issues that seem related to hitbox size.

[royal pier]

It no-regs consistently.

[indigo nexus]

I do not think it does for me, but have not explicitly tested.

I don't think I have noted any examples of a clear hit not registering, though I have seen some from someone else

[civic salmon]

I'd be down to at least try. I've gotten pretty good at recreating the finals style of music. Heres the medival version of syntax from s2 I made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV4xa1v80Dk

[compact tundra]

Oh God this could be hype if you can recreate those guitars. I have little experience making short style songs tho so id probably let you take the lead, especially since you'd be writing the lead voices. I can provide percussion, strings, and brass since my software handles them pretty well (except for brass, I haven't found a software yet that does brass super well).

[civic salmon]

I've developed a cheeky way to get the instrument sounds I want. That song in paticular was my first one I made, took like 3 months. Then my recent tracks like the one I posted up there took like...a week maybe

[compact tundra]

I think opening up with a Timpani solo into a building string centered tension that gets cut by your part could make a killer opening

[civic salmon]

I used to make songs like this all the time like...decade plus ago...fell out of it until this game came along an reignited the spark

[compact tundra]

Very Big