💣┇weapons-gadgets

[compact tundra]

Riot shield is fine it's just a matchup check

[sudden pewter]

Sword was so viable Embark had to rip out its entrails and slowly give it them back over time to ensure it doesn’t rise to the same prominence

Sledge was one of the most popular & effective weapons in the entire game and it’s a melee weapon.

[muted condor]

The riot shield hit box comes from a bigger problem in the finals that isn’t even related to melee

Now dual blades need some massive changes

Season 17 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[grave narwhal]

I’m tired of talking to the impenetrable narcissistic stone wall that is impersonator, how about we discuss ideas for gear and weapons!😃

[muted condor]

Also dagger should stay dog shit

[fossil elk]

🏳️
I surrender onto thy not because you’re right but because your will is unbreakable
Please do accept this new idea
For heavy

Slim gun
10 damage
Fire rate 180
8 rounds
Reload speed 3
no fall off
projectile speed 10 m a second
(it works like fire it’s area of effect is 3 m wide and 0.1 m tall it has 4 ticks of 70 damage a second when you shoot it on a surface it embeds itself into it and reduces its health by 80% and affects both sides when it runs out of time it reverses the damage that it’s done to the surface)(lasts for 10 seconds)(when shot on a player it deals 5 damage a second and halfs their maximum HP for 10 seconds)(gets absorbed by goo)(it’s color is yellow)(it damages gadgets too)(if thrown on a riot shield it does not affect them but their shield deals damage)

[muted condor]

That’s mean (I have so much room to talk)

[grave narwhal]

Actually solid idea👍

[fossil elk]

That’s felt too short for you to have actually read it

[sudden pewter]

As long as it isn’t a heavy sniper we’re generally open to the idea of new toys

[muted condor]

I do not talk about weapons or gear
I don’t come up with new ideas
I rage bait and if get baited so be it

[fossil elk]

Have you already has a sniper? It’s called KS or the akimbo

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[compact tundra]

So im not trying to single you out but the reason I said to tone down the shit talking was because of you. You just kinda spent the whole time dogging on him and like I get why he's upset. Not trying to start beef I just prefer we argue his points rather than laughing at him (been presuming impersonator is guy this whole time, sorry if you're not)

[fossil elk]

No, no I am actually a narcissist

[compact tundra]

We're referring to the daily asking for a barret .50 on heavy

[muted condor]

Petition to make this the new response mentions of a heavy sniper, melee overhaul, or spear throw

[compact tundra]

Brother I swear I'ma change my name to give spear a throw if this slander keeps up

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[fossil elk]

I present to thy a new idea for medium

Hyper
Electronically active
Laser
Machine
1-16 damage
Fire rate 1500
100 rounds
no fall off
headshot multiplier 2
Recoil pattern hard - extreme
(every 0.5 seconds you hit an enemy your damage doubles but every 0.5 seconds you lose 1 damage you deal Which you can see on a bar attached to the side of the weapon)(1 second rev time which you can hear from 40 m away)(does no damage to gadgets and structures)(automatically reloads while not firing which takes 2 seconds)(recoil pattern is a perfect circle that moves counterclockwise that switches directions every 0.4 seconds and becomes 2x faster every 120 damage until you reload meaning the more damage you deal harder the recoil will be to control)(has multi hit)

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/engineer-drg-deep-rock-galactic-gif-15114268785317989118

[compact tundra]

Uh Google just emailed me like your whole name because of the suggestions I couldn't delete. I'm very sorry but your email just kinda doxxed you. I'd turn off suggestions or switch your finals docs to a different email

[fossil elk]

I don’t get it

[muted condor]

Engineer from DRG has a laser weapon that works almost exactly like that with certain mods equipped

[fossil elk]

No I don’t really care

[muted condor]

Actually he’s right

[compact tundra]

I'd be careful with that man, people finder websites exist and some crazies love swatting

[muted condor]

Not just for people sending you stuff but it’s a genuine safety hazard to share info like that on servers with this many people that are open to the public and bots

[fossil elk]

I don’t know what to say man won’t always be connected to my name

[muted condor]

Bots can find it and use it to find more of your stuff

[broken shell]

adrian explain our frieend group

[sudden pewter]

Yeah Adrian

[muted condor]

Come out here Adrian

[broken shell]

please adrian

we need you

[muted condor]

Adrian!!!

[broken shell]

lowkey vpning out of numeracy class

i need adrian to help me out

[muted condor]

Low key this is the secret general chat 3.0

[broken shell]

lowkey true

[fossil elk]

I believe I have deleted all Google Doc links

[broken shell]

how do i factorise 14x +21

adrian help

[compact tundra]

Good man, I'd just be careful with that shit. I'd make an alt email with your gamer tag or something and move them to that. Hell I signed into your doc with my gamer tag email cause I didn't want to dox myself

[broken shell]

someone help i got 7(2x + 3)

[compact tundra]

Um actually it's She you biggot. Jokes aside tho I don't really care. I definitely type like a dude

[muted condor]

Man I graduated 5 years ago my ass don’t know this shit no more

[broken shell]

man im in year 9 i dont either 😭

[muted condor]

We’re both cooked 😭 🙏

[broken shell]

💔 🥀

HOLY i got it right lets gooooo

[sudden pewter]

I graduated in 2018 I’m so glad I’m done with that shit

[broken shell]

lucky

[sudden pewter]

Telling you now it doesn’t get better stop growing stay child forever

[broken shell]

noted

[fossil elk]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1201288968562552863

[broken shell]

alr bruh

i dont have perms to send messages in that channel

[fossil elk]

So the cheese person is the only one left I see

[broken shell]

uh huh

[muted condor]

I’m always lurking

[fossil elk]

Is anyone gonna talk about weapons or gadgets

[broken shell]

plud ts is so tuff

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-bar-gif-4298875606784040546

[broken shell]

m11 is superior

[fossil elk]

No it’s “balanced” kind of they need to reduce its ammo count by half

[broken shell]

surely not

[fossil elk]

Surely so

[muted condor]

Dual blades…..
Begin deliberations

[broken shell]

i hate them but like they're pretty good

[fossil elk]

?

[muted condor]

Personally favorite weapon in the game. Balancing? Definitely the worst weapon in the game

[broken shell]

gtg my teacher coming

[muted condor]

Conclusion? I am a masochist

[fossil elk]

Do you wanna hear a joke?

[muted condor]

Sure

[fossil elk]

What did the rage baiter say to the discord chater

Gravity gun
when activated you can pick up and move anything that is not attached to the ground including players
(when you pick up players you can only hold them for 1 second and they cannot be damaged and disables the specialization for 1 second
the heavier it is the slower it moves
Multiple players can move 1 object
You can only pick up and move things that are 5 m away
you can throw things by using right click or left trigger
You can also pick up pieces of buildings)

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/miserable-crying-sad-tears-black-guy-gif-12326280655494835815

[fossil elk]

Is it funny?

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480080287393382402/1377097212101918750/I3CYnfp0.gif

Only genuine stupidity ignites my fires

Seeing my teams light grapple off a ledge (flat plane into chasm)

[fossil elk]

So my idea is good

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-meme-gif-12137471669824236660

[fossil elk]

Why not?

[muted condor]

He said “defib kinda lame”

[fossil elk]

[muted condor]

Genuinely tho it is

[fossil elk]

I’ve got a balancing idea for it

make it so when you respawn you have 10% HP but immediately start regenerating add an additional 20 seconds of cool down but deals 200 damage to opponents

[muted condor]

Defib is the glitch grenade of medium

Swap defib and heal beam

[sudden pewter]

Defib is fine as is. The revive sickness is all it needed along with not reviving at max health

The problem many players have with it is how generally it’s viewed as mandatory to bring, and being revived in bad positions

Mind I’m not on that train, I think Defib is fine. But I completely understand the grievances players have with it

[fossil elk]

Why do people sit here and yap for hours instead of playing the game?

[sudden pewter]

Not home to play the game 😔

[fossil elk]

If you’re at work then why are you typing?

[muted condor]

Because playing the game means I have to play with light players

And I’m usually at work too

[sudden pewter]

As I type I’m feeding cats and cleaning

Very unusual but I multitask

[compact tundra]

I still think it's kinda powerful when stacked tho. On its own it's fine but when a team has 2 or 3 it's a problem

[muted condor]

You know what would fix that?

[fossil elk]

It’s a must pick one of the only reason medium exists it’s not OP but needs to rework

[compact tundra]

Hell no, it's a balancing nightmare

[sudden pewter]

The revive sickness prevents chain reviving (which was an issue when the mechanic wasn’t there)

[muted condor]

Swap defib and heal beam

[fossil elk]

But it’s still a guaranteed revive

[muted condor]

It would fix three problems all at once

[sudden pewter]

HealBeam does too much for it to be a gadget

[fossil elk]

Have you heard of the H plus infuser

[muted condor]

They could nerf it as needed and buff defib

[sudden pewter]

I say this acknowledging the H+ exists and needs to be deleted from the game

[compact tundra]

I've heard that alot and I don't think it's the worst idea since healing has become so prevalent

[sudden pewter]

Absolutely wild Embark designed the gadget, tested it, and released it and not a single time did anyone think “maybe this isn’t healthy”

[fossil elk]

If every class has support what’s the point of medium?

[muted condor]

But if swapped it would stop triple defib, make heal beam more viable, and bring down demat prevalence without nerfing it

[sudden pewter]

If someone suggested the H+ infuser in here as an IDEA we’d eat them alive

[muted condor]

It’s literally a win for medium and people fighting medium

[sudden pewter]

Every archetype can have support options. The issue with H+ is that it completely overshadows the HealBeam.

[fossil elk]

Medium reworks
1.Pike
Headshot damage increased to 2x but damage decreased to 49
2.Healing beam
There’s an alternate ability that protects the teammate you’re healing from 75% of damage but you cannot cancel it until you run out and if you holster it instantly drains and you can only activate it when you have max ammo and lasts for 5 seconds
3.Defib
make it so when you respawn you have 10% HP but immediately start regenerating add an additional 20 seconds of cool down but deals 200 damage to opponents
4.turret
Cannot catch up with you if you are running
Now deals 22 damage per bullet
5.bow
Give bow to medium and take it from light and reduce max damage to 82
8.breach drill
Now deals 140 damage
Can now be placed on riot shield
9.dmat
Reduce charges to 2
But you can use alt to give 1 surface dmat immunity and double HP for the cost of both of your charges for 60 seconds

[sudden pewter]

Heavies healing emitter is perfect. It vibes with Heavies defensive role and its healing isn’t so strong it competes with HealBeam.

The H+ on the other hand does everything the HealBeam does but better.

[deep turtle]

Could there be a melee weapon capable of blocking that has a parry mechanic for other melee weapons?
With balancing that, the window would have to be relatively precise but idek what weapon it’d be.
Would make dual blades an effective counter due to the double hit maybe.
Gauntlets/brass-knuckles/CQC option, greatsword?? It’s really hard to imagine more melee weapons but man I hope there are.

[fossil elk]

It’s a gadget for light that’s OP as hell

[fossil elk]

I like this guy

[sudden pewter]

🚨 IMO 🚨
Due to server latency, mechanics that rely on precise timing should be kept to a minimum to prevent player frustration when they do something right but aren’t rewarded/punished for it

[deep turtle]

Aw shucks

[sudden pewter]

See the dagger desync

[muted condor]

Dual blades block melee already technically

[fossil elk]

Yeah, but your teammates don’t save you

[deep turtle]

very true

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182330547234684989/1397081229911785552/kJXz8C18O6bQyrWiq_ZLcTUyDyU8Udwn3h2YsveA3.mp4?ex=689b7389&is=689a2209&hm=cea8a066e3af50b45d5b053723fb4c2cbf6c51a87352dba15124398e6d97541c&

[muted condor]

The reason it seems like dual blades don’t block melee is this right here

[sudden pewter]

That and the cone jank

[muted condor]

That too

Bull shit game design right there

[deep turtle]

Another thing, i still feel that medium is the effective support specialist.
I’m honestly so relieved that they added support capability to light and heavy because, honestly, I play them more now.
It’s not like it’s a lot, plus I feel there’s a skill ceiling to landing your infuser shots

[muted condor]

HOLY SHIT HE’S GOING TO EXPLODE

[fossil elk]

What are we talking about?

[deep turtle]

Weapons

[sudden pewter]

I mean I’m fine with it being a cone because it’s not a free getaway like the riot shield can be. But the latency issues make it so hit or miss(literally) I can’t tell if it’s a skill issue or a me issue

[muted condor]

How ass dual blades are

[swift cradle]

Funny enough, it feels like the cashbox changes force the same situations as a last round doubled cashbox, but just way more often.

It's not fun tbh lol

[deep turtle]

But fr I need a CQC type weapon bad

[muted condor]

The problem with the cone is it lets people shoot straight through your blades at the right angle

[deep turtle]

So much fun against miniguns tho

[fossil elk]

and gadgets

Light
1.Charged grenade
225 damage
Cool down 6
Charges 1
(every 0.5 seconds you charge it deals an extra 50 damage for a maximum of 2 seconds but if you throw it at 2 to 2.1 seconds it deals an extra 25 damage)(blast radius 3 m)(structural damage 1700)(explodes on impact)(if not thrown it will deal 348 damage to you and anyone near you except for your team)

2.Laser grenade
60 damage
Cool down 10
Charges 1
(when you throw it it beeps 8 times before blasting the room with 8 lasers shooting out on each side and spins it has 8 m of range and can go through walls with 50% less damage and it can damage the person who threw it and their teammates it does 60 damage every time a different laser touches you and it’s spins at 6 m a second)(the lasers are randomly placed and you can jump through the gaps)

3.Fortified cubby
Cool down 20
Charges 1
(It’s a small box that the light can hide inside of that has 1 door that only the lights team can open and close and it has 2500 structural HP)(enemies can pick it up while the light is inside if they do the door cannot be opened)

4.Speed grenade
cool down 15
Charges 1
(Makes everyone 1.5x faster for 5 seconds in the splash radius of 3 m)

5.Speed syringe
cool down 5
Charges 1
(makes you move 1.5x faster for 5 seconds and distorts the corners of your screen and audio slightly)

[sudden pewter]

Light needs less selfish gadgets. Could definitely benefit from more team play oriented tools

[fossil elk]

like the speed grenade

[sudden pewter]

Well I THINK ITS DUMB AND STUPID AND SHOULD BURN IN HELL

[fossil elk]

Why?

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1400932639439065118/1754078754982.gif

Jokes aside it isn’t a terrible idea, just maybe not for Light. Medium is all about enhancing the teams mobility and it would tie into the support role nicely imo

[deep turtle]

I like getting my team covered in the fun purple glitter that makes you clear

[fossil elk]

Not invisible clear

[sudden pewter]

I’d also rather not give the Light an avenue to enhance its native mobility further due to all the weapons available to it that benefit from speed, think DB or Dagger

[deep turtle]

The cubby idea is ingenious, imagine the amount of light bullying there would be

[deep turtle]

Translucent even

[fossil elk]

Mostly visible

[deep turtle]

Lmao

[fossil elk]

Is no one gonna talk about the unalive grenade?

[sudden pewter]

We’re trying to be nice

[fossil elk]

?

[grave narwhal]

Idea!- crossbow for medium that’s a slow single shot but leaves a small goo blob sized cloud of gas where it hits and deals about the damage of a throwing knife on direct hit, the bolts are capped with tiny gas canisters and it has long medium-short medium range.

[fossil elk]

What is it with you and utility range weapons

[broken shell]

this lowkey made me chuckle

[grave narwhal]

We need more utility weapons, especially on medium, it’s just basic guns😭

[fossil elk]

That’s what melee is for

[broken shell]

agreed

[grave narwhal]

Every class has two shotguns, two melees, three basic full auto guns. But only light and heavy have the flamethrower and throwing knives.

[broken shell]

eeffoc

which is funny

[grave narwhal]

Adrian.

[fossil elk]

Medium has Cerberus

[grave narwhal]

One of the two shotguns, my point stands.

[broken shell]

pls adrian 😭 🙏

[muted condor]

Adrian

[broken shell]

model 1800

[fossil elk]

OK then I have an idea give me one sec

[broken shell]

model 1800 and cerberus = 2 shotguns

[fossil elk]

Electric sphere
80 damage
Fire rate 80
3 rounds
reload speed 2
20 m of range
Hit scan
No recoil
(Glitches devices and gadgets and players)
Alt fire
String lighting shoots out lingering connected strands of electricity
Fire rate160
Fire rate160
10 rounds
10 m of range
Projectile speed moves 10 m a second
Recoil pattern easy
(Glitches devices and gadgets and players
Lingers for 1 second)

[muted condor]

Ima be real no more gadgets or weapons for a while embark 🙏

[sudden pewter]

Forgot bow smh

[muted condor]

Just fix what ya got

[sudden pewter]

Oscar actually said they’re looking into potentially reworking existing weapons to keep the game fresh rather than bloat the roster with a bunch of new stuff

[fossil elk]

Like melee

[sudden pewter]

This was from the AMA stream if you want to watch it btw

[fossil elk]

They also said they want dragons

Dragon, Deez nuts

[sudden pewter]

Melee weapons have been confirmed to be on the docket for reworking, likely next season or in a major patch

[fossil elk]

Gotem

[leaden timber]

Add more specializations

[fossil elk]

Do you want more specializations? Give me one sec

Specializations for medium
1.Flare gun
55 damage
Cool down 8
Projectile speed 12 m a second
(set enemy on fire on hit for 4 seconds)
(when shot in the air summons a circular bunker from the sky which spans 5 m wide and 3 m tall and is completely invincible with 2 doors on each side and gets destroyed after 6 seconds on the inside there is a pillar in the middle that makes all of your gadgets and specializations regen 2x faster)(specialization does not begin the cool down until it is destroyed)(for it to be activated it must be shot 16 m into the air)(if summoned on top of a stable structure it will destroy everything beneath it and 1 shots anyone even the person who summoned it and their teammates)

2.RC gunner
drone HP 100
10 damage
Fire rate 300
Cool down 12
Hit scan
(four-legged machine 2.5m tall 2 m wide which moves at 5 m a second and shoots at enemies and follows you)(cannot open doors can be picked up by anyone)

3.Gravity gun
when activated you can pick up and move anything that is not attached to the ground including players
(when you pick up players you can only hold them for 1 second and they cannot be damaged and disables the specialization for 1 second
the heavier it is the slower it moves
Multiple players can move 1 object
You can only pick up and move things that are 5 m away
you can throw things by using right click or left trigger
You can also pick up pieces of buildings)

[sudden pewter]

I’d love to see more specializations, especially for Medium which only has three

Quality > Quantity though. They’ve gotta be enough to form a playstyle around!

[fossil elk]

These are enough to form a play style

[muted condor]

Bring back recon >:)

[sudden pewter]

I haven’t read them and honestly I’m afraid to scroll up

[fossil elk]

You got it one sec

Specializations for lights
1.Teleport
2 rounds
Cool down 3
Empty refill speed 6
(When activated you hover in the air for one second an orb is traveling forward in front of you You can teleport through walls when you release)

2.Recon senses
duration 8
Cool down 10
(when activated you can see the positions of everyone within a 30 m radius but they can also see you)

3.RC scanner
Drone HP 100
Cool down 12
(when activated you drive a remote controlled drone that you can detonate by ending the specialization which deals 110 damage)(and it’s 0.2 tall 0.4 m wide)

4.Bullet time
Duration 10
Cool down 8
(You move at 50% speed all projectiles get slowed down by 90% And all hit scan turn into projectiles that move that 1m a second and your projectile only gets slowed by 60% and your hit scan turns into projectiles while inside the bubble that move at 5 m a second that turn back into hit scan once they leave specialization has a 3m radius and all players except for you move 90% slower)

5.Access denial
cool down 10
(when activated reverses everything a player did in the last 10 seconds including damage except for destruction it’s a hit scan charged attack that takes 0.5 seconds to charge the process takes 5 seconds)

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-away-gif-13653609800890535042

[fossil elk]

What are my crimes?

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[sudden pewter]

Just to start, Teleportation is especially egregious

[fossil elk]

I thought that one was safe

[sudden pewter]

Especially for light

[muted condor]

The kitchen is gone 😭

[sudden pewter]

The teleport is so raw it’s mooing bro

[muted condor]

It’s shitting in my salad right now actually

[fossil elk]

I thought that one was the safest one

[uncut apex]

wow the riot shield is stupid easy to play... why bother putting in the effort to aiming at this point

[fossil elk]

So you can shoot them

[sudden pewter]

Definitely not. Giving Light the ability to entirely remove itself from a fight by moving through geometry is wild

And twice???

[fossil elk]

There’s only 2 charges

3 second cool down

[sudden pewter]

Better be 2 charges for the entire match bro ong

[fossil elk]

There’s so much destruction this isn’t rainbow six siege

[sand roost]

Cerberus needs a buff. The fact that it doesn't 3 shot heavy is criminal.

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/take-this-rock-gif-9267856630793442480

[fossil elk]

Medium is a support class

[sudden pewter]

Begone foul white role

Away with yee, lest your taint spread

[sand roost]

Not now that heavy and light have heal options 🤷‍♂️

[fossil elk]

They aren’t the worst the worst are the blue

[lucid marsh]

93R nerf when

[fossil elk]

This is the most based white role I’ve ever seen

[fossil elk]

Never

[muted condor]

Buff dual blades first

My bad
Fix dual blades*

[bright hill]

Is bow nerfed this season?

[fossil elk]

Do you think if I gave embark $1 million they’d add what I wanted

[hardy dust]

No

Its still aight tho

[restive plover]

And also that mediums support tools were nerfed into oblivion.

[grave narwhal]

Should there be a role queue like in overwatch for ranked matches? So there’s no triple heavy medium or light? I’m not fully behind it, but it’s an idea.

[restive plover]

No lol.

[neat pollen]

i love the bow

[sudden pewter]

Lights forever be stuck in queue due to how many of them there are

[foggy ruin]

Nah but i think there should be a que line so you can be with teammates that you want to, like if you Want to pair with only mediums or heavys
Edit: Actually nevermind

[compact tundra]

Medium is a team-based class but I wouldn't really put them as solely support

[fossil elk]

Well, it says their support in the description

[compact tundra]

Yes but there not stuck to role. Just most the items they get are built around also helping their team. But they're not solely for that purpose

[restive plover]

They're supposed to be, but embark fucked it all up

It would be better if class boundaries were more distinct.

[compact tundra]

I actually don't think so, at least when it comes to this point. If medium was only support then they'd be pretty boring to play

[restive plover]

Maybe for you, but then you could just switch to light or heavy.

[compact tundra]

I mean would you have fun just having a heal beam stuck up someone every game. Like if their whole role was just support it would be pretty boring because they're one of only three classes. The thing that makes medium work is that most their 'support' items also benefit themselves

[fossil elk]

That’s what I do sometimes

[compact tundra]

But that sometimes is important

[indigo nexus]

what is the best weapon to run with winch?

[fossil elk]

Sa1216

[restive plover]

Shak 50.

[compact tundra]

Sledge, SA, and shak are really good. Spear is also really good but you got to learn some tech to make it work well, and the spear itself is janky

[indigo nexus]

that shotgun sucks after the nerf, youd pick that over the sledge?

[fossil elk]

Yes

[compact tundra]

The SA is still great dude

[indigo nexus]

since headshots dont do more damage with shotguns to me it isnt

[fossil elk]

IT’S THE META

[compact tundra]

They never did

[indigo nexus]

I know

[indigo nexus]

so do you think the sa is the best gun then? at least for heavies?

[fossil elk]

No the akimbo is the best weapon in the game by far, but only if you hit only head shots

[indigo nexus]

the range on the sa is just too bad for me

[fossil elk]

It’s 15 m

[compact tundra]

We actually had a comp SA heavy in here earlier. Here's what a good SA player looks like

[fossil elk]

How did you find that?

[indigo nexus]

I mean high damage range, I know its not running slugs or anything but the drop off on damage seems to steep

[compact tundra]

I just replied to a clip you should go watch

[compact tundra]

I was in that conversation

[indigo nexus]

both clips, the enemies were not even aware of him he had the edge, most cases wont go like that

[compact tundra]

Scroll down there more

And that medium in the second half of the clip was very aware of him

[indigo nexus]

wym? is there more clips

[fossil elk]

Go to any professional finals games every heavy uses the sa1216

[compact tundra]

I'll reply to them for you

[compact tundra]

Yes we just glazed him for a while

[indigo nexus]

what do they use with it, do they make there gadgets revolve around it?

[fossil elk]

Why anyone can get that good in just a few months

[fossil elk]

I don’t know, man

[compact tundra]

More, this is a 3v1 this so he loses

[compact tundra]

Most people use winch but this guy is weird and uses mesh and just has really good movement. Gadgets can kind of be whatever since there's not too many gadgets that pair super well in the SA maybe outside of recon detectors

Oh and dome shield

[fossil elk]

That’s the best gadget

[compact tundra]

Eh, it was beaten in season 3 and it hasn't been the same since, still good though

[fossil elk]

I remember when It had a 1000 HP
Or was it 750

[compact tundra]

I don't remember the exact number but it had a lot more HP and a lot longer of a time limit

Used to be goated on power shift

[fossil elk]

Didn’t the mesh have 1500

[compact tundra]

I don't remember the exact numbers

[fossil elk]

Am I the last yaper

Like imagine having a life and actually enjoying the game this discord is based off of
I couldn’t even begin to imagine i’ve been here all day spending all my time sitting here and talking to strangers online for no reason

Because talking about the game is better than actually playing the game

Boy howdy do I love accidentally doxxing myself

And now I’ve sat here alone for like 30 minutes talking to no one with on mental illness

Is this message even getting through 2 of my messages have been deleted

For some reason, I can’t reply to myself

man1: i’m gonna do it

man2: oh man, what are you gonna do?

man1 : i’m gonna yap

this is when the brain rot kicks in

Why am I still typing in this empty chat?

Probably because I have nothing better and I don’t really feel like doing much

And I’m building my discord rank

[mild wing]

just got back into the game, is the healing gadget for light worth playing a support-y playstyle as light?

[fossil elk]

It’s completely broken

[junior halo]

i barely see it

[grave narwhal]

Should there be a weapon that deals stun/emp damage? Heavy and medium don’t have emp so…

[fossil elk]

What is it?

[grave narwhal]

I’m thinking somewhere between an assault smg for medium or just adding glitch grenades to one of the two

[fossil elk]

You should make an energy rifle from doom

[grave narwhal]

You would LITERALLY rip and tear. (Through lights)

[fossil elk]

Because they couldn’t use their ability

[grave narwhal]

I really like the idea of a weak but fast firing weapon for medium with a special effect. Either glitch or ricochet like I said earlier.

[fossil elk]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[grave narwhal]

Too op

[fossil elk]

Lower damage

[grave narwhal]

Nah, two special effects in one weapon is too much

[fossil elk]

It could be like a Tesla gun

[grave narwhal]

One or the other, and I really like the idea of ricochet bullets that can pass through enemies so they could hit multiple people or the same person multiple times

[fossil elk]

I can’t read it

[grave narwhal]

It’s just a scetch the words don’t matter. What’s the average damage for the bullet weapons? I don’t know the numbers.

[fossil elk]

How fast is it firing?

[grave narwhal]

About the ARN fire rate?

[fossil elk]

The ARN does 17 damage

[grave narwhal]

What about the ak?

[fossil elk]

20

[grave narwhal]

Ok… 18 damage, but no ads, only canted aiming or hip fire because of the ricochet

[fossil elk]

Are you gonna give it an alt attack

[grave narwhal]

Nah, it’s like the Cerberus. Simple gun with a basic effect (not so simple for the ricochet)

[fossil elk]

What if you could change the type of ammo?
To do something different with each type

[grave narwhal]

I feel like that would be too complicated. Adding the glitch grenades to mediums kit could be the ticket. Especially with every slot being precious on medium due to defibs and movement.

[fossil elk]

What determines whether or not a weapon is too complex or not

[grave narwhal]

It’s the finals. A basic gun or melee with one alternate ability or effect.

[fossil elk]

In the great words of embark, Rob

“ in the finals anything is possible”

[grave narwhal]

Let’s call our proposed smg the R.A.M.G
ricochet assault machine gun.
16 damage flat. 1.5x headshot mult. And the fire rate is somewhere between the AK and ARN.

Bullets ricochet off walls floors ceilings and doors. They also pass through enemies to allow multiple hits. [Max bounces per bullet… let’s say 5. two if you hit the enemy with the first one] (probably change that)

[fossil elk]

I think a good fire rate is 780 a minute

[grave narwhal]

I don’t know what that means

[fossil elk]

You don’t know what a fire rate is

[grave narwhal]

I know what a fire rate is I don’t know the literal conversion of that number

[fossil elk]

13 rounds a second or 208DPS

The AKM has a DPS of 200

[grave narwhal]

Back to the gun. Because the effect is kind of… crazy. No aiming or scopes, when you left click/aim it canted aims and gives a laser projection of the projectile ricochet path. And oh yeah. Big damage fall off. Like, revolver levels of damage fall off. You don’t want the crazy ricochet gun hitting cross maps.

It is a MEDIUM, gun. And could definitely be subject to change.

[fossil elk]

How many ricochet before the despawn

[grave narwhal]

Second message. And also I’m thinking on that

[fossil elk]

I think 4

[grave narwhal]

So you shoot the gun, bullet comes out, hits guy, 16 damage , hits the floor behind him, bounces onto the wall (one bounce) then back off the wall at him (two bounce) hits him in the back of the head (24 dmg) hits the roof above you two then bounces two more times🤓… I think for the whole mag of bullets 4 bounces is way too much. The damage might even need nerfed…

[fossil elk]

How about 9

[grave narwhal]

I think 3 bounces (MAX) and maybe 14 or 15 damage for a bullet.

Highkey cooked, hope someone at embark sees this 🙏

WAIT wait, hits multiple people, multiple times with a single bullet… 10 damage then. In a 20 round magazine. And 15 to the head with the 1.5 mult

Alright. Don’t message I’m going to re-send all of this so it’s tighter compiled

Let’s call our proposed smg (FOR MEDIUM )the R.A.M.G
ricochet assault machine gun(pronounced Ram-G).
10 damage flat. 1.5x headshot mult. 20 round mag with decent reload speed. And the fire rate is somewhere between the AK and ARN.

Bullets ricochet off walls floors ceilings and doors. They also pass through enemies to allow multiple hits on multiple people. Max bounces per bullet… let’s say 3.

Because the effect is kind of… crazy. No aiming or scopes, when you left click/aim it canted aims and gives a laser projection of the projectile ricochet path. And oh yeah. Big damage fall off. Like, revolver levels of damage fall off. You don’t want the crazy ricochet gun hitting cross maps. (Maybe not that bad but you see the point)

Honestly embark could be making bank if they just locked me in their design studio with a fifteen pack of monster zero ultra. (Wink wink nudge nudge)

I feel like the gun could be sponsored by holtow or ospuze. (Not my favorite but they definitely fit) kind of like how the minigun was all Alfa acta.
Speaking of sponsors, this stupid leadspitter was designed by a sleep deprived me and assisted by @fossil elk

Okay done.✅

[flint hill]

I like the M1 for the light class, pretty fun to use in almost any range

[runic kindle]

does anyone knwo how to re-enable the gadget wheel? i reinstalled the game and my controller settings were reset, now when i press LB to switch to a gadget it comes up with the ping wheel

wait i think i figured it out?

[coral root]

93r reload too short

[fading rose]

so tired of riot shield holy shit

5 games back to back with triple mediums using it and just being gods is ridiculous

[brazen mango]

Effective range on SA12 is 5-6m

[fossil elk]

I think 10 damage might be too high if it hit 2 people at once or the same person twice that would mean you’re dealing 320 dps

I’m thinking 6 damage that way it only deals 192 DPS if you hit two people or the same person twice
This might seem low, but when you’re taking account that you can hit people from behind walls and hit multiple people at once multiple times I think this is the perfect damage

[fossil elk]

And maybe a reload time of 3

[brazen mango]

https://youtu.be/8cKC5CkqNzc?si=i95WBbPkzgjYLNk3

^ random pug game I recorded a while back, very stacked EU lobby

Was playing winch since mesh is simply unplayable at this level right now

4/6 people in the lobby play in PHL, technically 5/6 since im a sub for a team aswell

[plucky spade]

The humble cl-40, pyro nade, gas mine

[plucky spade]

Who would've expected the dueling specialization to be good in 3v3 format

Even if the winch gets heavily nerfed it would still be meta in 3v3s

[verbal flower]

Yall I think the light class needs a desert eagle, 2 shooting mediums but has a lotta recoil

[plucky spade]

Game-feedback aaah suggestion

[sleek obsidian]

for the mediums whats yall final slot for
pad
d-fib
4th?

[mossy ibex]

Buff the sledgehammer damage.

[sleek obsidian]

its good enough

[brazen mango]

Yeah who wouldve thought the best defense, attack, cashout movement and steal prevention spec all in one would be hard meta over a shield that doesnt do anything for you besides slow you down in this meta

Winch needs to not go trough shields and needs to lose the stun effect for mesh to be remotely viable

[thorny magnet]

Thoughts on the H+ Infuser? I kind of want to get it but I'm unsure if it's worth it.

[sleek obsidian]

i wouldnt buy it. theres alot of other util that makes a bigger impact

[brazen mango]

Good if you have good teammates, solo queue its kinda ass

[raw cave]

its good enough, combos are the same

[plucky spade]

Fair but still

[whole spruce]

Well... time for the usual rant... hereee weee goooooooooooooooooooooo

[stoic garden]

it seems someone doesn't like the 93r

[plush harbor]

ip grabber don’t click this link

[unique glen]

melee weapons stronger than guns is crazy work

[plush harbor]

Not really

[unique glen]

ok irl a baseball bat vs a heavy mahine gun who wins lol

[weak kernel]

the machine gun and u know what's wild it's the same in the game too

[mental iris]

gas mine for stalling or goo grenade in general for soloq?

[buoyant elm]

They really need to 50% off defib users on who is reviving

[elder linden]

best light gadget with (or just after) gateway imo

[elder linden]

what are you smoking

[elder linden]

good thing the game is not irl then

[placid slate]

Machine gun kills faster

[proper elbow]

I been liking glitch trap since I’ve been playin more close range but I should probably swap the jump for something else tbh

[thick jacinth]

Dude got killed by a melee weapon and immediately rushed to the channel to cry and pee and scream

[patent meteor]

Buff data reshaper! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-at-you-gif-15677477317679001616

Everyone clown on this mf, he’s losing to melee

[indigo nexus]

people get more annoyed to die to melee than to guns, it seems

[muted condor]

A medium melee gets used by more than two people for the first time and people lose their shit

[signal vault]

Hey guys, picked up the game recently and mostly been playing M60 heavy solo and I'm in no way good at it, wanted to shake things up by using another class and decided to try out medium with famas since I heard it has next to no recoil, but haven't been having too much luck with it , so I'd like to know if akm is still viable right now or should I try to get better with fcar

Also which sight is preferred on them would be appreciated so I can buy them first

Thank you

[static comet]

The sight is personal preference really but I still rock the AKM daily and it’s been getting me through my ranked games. That and the CL-40

[signal vault]

Awesome, thank you very much

[misty magnet]

I think both the akm and the fcar are viable but they have more recoil than the famas but you could also try the pike and the cl40 is you don't like those 2

[signal vault]

I haven't bought the pike yet but I did like how it felt in the training room, but I wasn't sure how it fares in close ranges

[misty magnet]

It can work close range but it's better if you just keep a good distance if you use it

[signal vault]

Fair, I will try to get it next and give it a spin, thank you

[stoic garden]

pike is currently meta and practically the best rifle at any range if you can hit your shots, so have fun with it while you can

[signal vault]

I'm trying to unlock it next, thank you

[sudden pewter]

I have the most success with FCAR, improving with the revolver has also been very rewarding

[stoic garden]

revolver is one of those secretly goated guns nobody will play while pike is this good no cap

[muted condor]

The revolver is goated but hit detection makes is kinda doo doo sometimes

[sudden pewter]

Hit Detection should be considered a part of a gun or it’s health as it’s a server issue and it affects all weapons

(Admittedly some more than others)

[uneven kindle]

It affects slow-firing weapons more

[sudden pewter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/1097649450748485692/D5655EF1-3B38-4B60-90F8-AEACC1BD8957.gif

[uneven kindle]

What's wrong with further clarification of what "some" weapons are?

[sudden pewter]

There’s nothing wrong with it, it’s just a given

Ex:
Me(Chad): We don’t think adding a stamina system would help melee balance

You(Soyjak): We as in the people in this discord channel

[uneven kindle]

Apples to oranges level comparison

Have a nice day

[muted condor]

Still good to warn people that weapons like the revolver and spear are super damaged by it

[sudden pewter]

You’re right, I just woke up and chose violence today tbh dunno what’s wrong with me

Very not rational

I’m gunna form a chrysalis and sleep you all have a good day. If anyone brings up Heavy Sniper tell me so I can add it to the tally

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[pure pine]

Why is the arn220 so bad this season how bad of a performance did it get

[copper sinew]

Is there a bug that makes the MGL's grenades explode twice? I just played a game where a guy was spamming a room alone and it was crazy like that

[shell sonnet]

Something weird going on

If you keep moving it doesnt do that in my experience

But if you stay in 1 spot, dont move, and keep aiming in the same spot
The 1st shot will bounce and explode normally, and the 2nd one will explode on the bounce and the impact

At least in my experience
I shoot corners/edges a lot
May be different iver distant bounces

I could test that some time

[compact tundra]

This is also happening to the vanish bomb. Been going on for like a few weeks. If you stop when you throw it it'll explode again after a second or two

[uneven kindle]

I can attest to the vanish bomb

[compact tundra]

Keeps fucking scaring me. I keep accidentally making false callouts because of it

[violet grotto]

I just need contestant role

[stoic garden]

wdym bro it's one of the best light guns

[sleek obsidian]

been using gas mane just because it has 2 uses

[grave narwhal]

They should add a feature where you’re able to just spectate random world tour matches, the game IS a game show after all.
————————

Weapon idea- semi automatic slow firing weapon, the bullets do less damage but they lodge into whatever you shoot and explode afterwards.

[quartz steeple]

I logged in this morning to check something I keep forgetting to when I sit down to play, and when I got side tracked; I realized the light sniper is projectile. Is this supposed to be, or is it network jank?

[twilit marsh]

anyone wanna reccomend a comp heavy build?

[grave narwhal]

Shotgun, winch claw, bubble shield, rpg, pyro mine

[quartz steeple]

That shotgun is rough though. It sends mixed signals like "haha you suck" when I "miss" within sword lunge distance, but everyone else seems to be able to 2 tap me from 15m

[grave narwhal]

Not the ks shotgun, the one with four cylinders

[quartz steeple]

But yeah, having an extra way to punch through walls is great

That one does even less for me. I can't mag dump a light in a room and get a kill. It ends up being me chasing around, up down, in and out windows, they get away, and when I'm reloading; their heavy saunters in.

[grave narwhal]

That’s what the shield bubble and winch claw are for. Plus, heavy is never a solo assault class, it’s a support tank.

[quartz steeple]

Point of interest, I threw up my hands last night and ran the sniper for an hour and a half. Stuck with the team and did more damage than any shotgun or pike effort ever did. I almost hit my M60 damage record.

[grave narwhal]

On light or medium?

[quartz steeple]

Light sniper, yes.

See winch has never once grabbed someone. Even standing still sometimes, no grab.

[grave narwhal]

That 👉might👈 be a skill issue…

[quartz steeple]

Idk, it looks hitscan in all the clips I see, but seems like it's projectile when I try it.

[grave narwhal]

It’s more of a boomerang that goes in a straight line, it can even grab around walls if you use it right.

[quartz steeple]

I just got fed up with it. It didn't grab this medium standing still, but every console player gets to grab me through walls around corners.

That was the breaking point. Goo gun has been useful though

[grave narwhal]

Could be a connection problem? Finals servers have crazy latency issues if your connection isn’t the best. But honestly use whatever you want.

[proper elbow]

U mean instead of jump pad or as the third gadget with pad and defib since I’d rather have glitch instead of gas to better counter light dash but it might be good if I switched pad for gas mines

[quartz steeple]

Verizon swears we get 1Gbps up and down all day at 3ms latency. I started monitoring the connection with task manager windows because it's free. Only one time when I got jank and checked did packets out not match packets in. I'm not an IT guy, so there's a lot I'm probably missing

[grave narwhal]

GADGET IDEA- placable or throwable armor packs for heavy that give armor to everyone in the area and can be destroyed, like the grenade interceptor on medium but it just gives a flat out damage reduction.

[quartz steeple]

I see that being abused

[shell sonnet]

Messes up ttk/htk on weapons
Cl-40 just went through a balance rollercoaster because of that

[quartz steeple]

With spear 🤣

[grave narwhal]

It would have the range of the grenade interceptor and only protect against bullets, so if you threw gas or fire it could counter.

[muted condor]

Mini gun, rpg, dome, prox sensors

[grave narwhal]

@muted condor , you seem professional, I need more opinions on a concept I made yesterday.

[grave narwhal]

Down from this message.

[stoic garden]

after 50m the bullet becomes a projectile, this was made to disallow snipers from annoying people in powershift

[vernal folio]

mini gun is a hot take no? xD

[jade bough]

I personally would do shak-50 or m60

[stoic garden]

pretty good when you know how to use it

but minigun fares way better if used with lockbolt, not rpg

[muted condor]

Mini is ether absolutely amazing and shreds the entire lobby or can suck balls if you get stuck with double light team mates

[muted condor]

I am definitely not professional, I’m actually kinda ass at the game

[grave narwhal]

Mb, I just thought I cooked

[muted condor]

All my opinions come from my time being hard stuck in mid gold

[quartz steeple]

I've been working on leading shots 🤣

[stoic garden]

it's not that bad if they have gateway, but somehow only 5% of light players use it so whatever

[quartz steeple]

It was too limited. It opens in air if you try to throw it far

I decided it wasn't very helpful if I could reach the same spot with grapple.

I get it helps teammates too, but I'm solo q and low rank. No one works together

[stoic garden]

if ur running grapple it's semi optional, but it's still one of the best gadgets in the game

[twilit marsh]

light build reccs?

[foggy ruin]

I have some diff set ups i use, Grapple Or Dash/sh1900/vanish bomb/gas grenade/sonar Or Dash/ARN/pyro/breach/vansish bomb, these def arent the best but it has worked for me in wt

[unkempt verge]

use guns to shoot bad guys

[compact tundra]

About to pass you, L

[muted condor]

I’m sliver 2 right now 💀

[compact tundra]

Damn never mind, just hit gold 2 today. Mostly solo queuing sword. Sometimes I party with my friend but he's too lazy to grind on his own so he's still stuck in bronze

[sudden pewter]

Sorry babe I'm not me when I'm hungry 😔
||Real talk that isn't normally me idk why I did that||

Had some fantastic rounds in QP with newer players and we're gunna grind WT together at a later date
Really interesting to hear opinions on weapons from players that aren't too familiar with the game

Bless you blank, keeping it real 🙏

[deft rune]

backstab damage still scuffed af i see. Idk whats worse, your melee animations/piss poor mechanics, or your temu servers that somehow result in me taking full backstab damage while standing in the corner shooting a light in the face as they dash at me, only for them to one tap me at 5 health

[candid vessel]

Backstab is such an incredibly hard mechanic to balance im surprised it left the testing phase

[grave narwhal]

Specialization idea for light- since we’re seeing more support light ever since the h+ got added. How about a fourth specialization that is a sort of gas mask/hazmat suit they can give teammates or themselves. Would give resistance to fire and poison and get countered by emp:

[sudden pewter]

Cool idea but not good enough for a specialization given how easy it is to counter fire/gas

[grave narwhal]

Could it be a gadget? I think it might work better that way too

[sudden pewter]

It could be a gadget yeah, but that doesn't fix how niche it'll be

[grave narwhal]

Also green nametag means your like og or something?

[sudden pewter]

Heck, not even niche, just ridiculously situational

[grave narwhal]

Completely fair, seemed cool but just plain armor would be too op

[sudden pewter]

White = New (< 35 messages)
Yellow = Baby
Orange = Regular
Green = Chronically Online

I started playing midway through S5, definitely not an OG.

[grave narwhal]

Ok, I need an opinion about a weapon design I made yesterday, i don’t really know yet. I’ll pin it

[sudden pewter]

Is it the ricochet SMG?

[candid vessel]

Nobody is gonna believe ive been playing since S1 then 😭

[grave narwhal]

Down from this message

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/flaker-sonic-flaker-i-found-you-flaker-gif-13224793614773539385

Ricochet AR, honestly not against the idea

[candid vessel]

I forgot i was in this server i have been for like 18 months and just haven’t been here at all mb

[sudden pewter]

Filthy white role talking to me smh 😔

[candid vessel]

I think it would be unique and interesting which is always welcome (15 second slow mode acc killing me)

[grave narwhal]

Thx, I posted it yesterday and got some feedback, someone said it might not work with the destructible walls but aren’t they all the same in game terms?

[candid vessel]

Im sorry im such a dirty peasant 😔

[grave narwhal]

I tried to make it balanced with the stats and all but idk 🤷‍♂️

[sudden pewter]

They are, I think giving bullets reflective properties would be difficult though. Would probably have to make it shoot projectiles with little to no arc

And that many projectiles probably wouldnt be good for performance

[grave narwhal]

Yeah, but like I said on the stats, really quick damage fall off

[sudden pewter]

IDK, likely possible. I like the idea and don't think it'll break the game

If nothing else you could shoot the ceiling above goo walls for some hail mary damage

[grave narwhal]

I’d like to send the thing to a designer if there are any on the server, if they don’t already check this chat.

[candid vessel]

Do the bullets like perforate targets then bounce off stuff behind them or just bounce off stuff directly

[grave narwhal]

They go through people to hit multiple targets.

[candid vessel]

Nice

[grave narwhal]

If not the ricochet feature wouldn’t really work

I recommend to just check out the original message I linked, it’s got all the stats and details

[candid vessel]

Yeah i just wasn’t sure if it was like what u said or like u shoot a wall and it bounces off to go around a corner

[candid vessel]

Alr i will

[grave narwhal]

Here’s my design from yesterday, just scroll down from the first message. @candid vessel

[sterile dragon]

d

[delicate saffron]

I reckon the grappling hook on light should reset to kill

[sleek obsidian]

whats the CD on it rn

[delicate saffron]

I’m not sure, I just think chaining it would be pretty fun and not too broken

It would also give high skill players a reason to play it

[sleek obsidian]

it feels like a 8 second cooldown

[delicate saffron]

Yea

[sleek obsidian]

if people leave voicechat can they hear comms?

[eager wasp]

no

[sleek obsidian]

thats dumb

[eager wasp]

if they don't have the silly little audio symbol next to their name they can't hear anything, deafness is a choice

[sleek obsidian]

still kinda dumb for comm or no comm

[chilly turret]

Akimbo pistols for all classes, like glocks for light and .45s for medium

[boreal laurel]

I disagree, I’d rather have the option not to have to listen to some rando cussing me out because of how bad I’m playing 😏

Text chat is bad enough

[sleek obsidian]

shouldnt have to fully deafen just because of 1 guy that cant control his emotions

[sudden pewter]

You can open the social menu and mute someone, but it’s definitely not intuitive and should be accessible via the tab menu

[sterile dragon]

hi

[sleek obsidian]

pad or zipline medium?

[silver pollen]

some people will say both, i prefer pad

[sleek obsidian]

both is too much \

[brazen mango]

Pad

[uneven kindle]

All good.

[unique swallow]

make tracking dart instant kill 💯

[sleek obsidian]

whats the difference between c4 and breach charge arnt they the same thing

[grizzled ginkgo]

So I was playing some twisted silly version of the finals...in a dream. I get lucid dreams alot ...so yea but basically I ended up with like 3 or 4 bow skin ideas

There were finger grapples....very painful, but in the game it could be like web slingers idk, the second idea was a slingshot. The third and my favorite had 2 or 3 weapon variations. Bee stingers as a skin (rubber band with a tiny folded paper that's primed like a bow). A singular Rubberband pulled back from the thumb and being flung. A paperplane...last one was a flinging spoon...you put something in the spoon's dip/ bowl and fling it like a catapult. Sorry for the grammar issues and yabber, I slept for 30m and just woke up n joined

[whole spruce]

NEW GADGET IDEA: Void Grenade (For the Medium. It can be thrown as a usual grenade, but when it explodes, it creates a void/black hole that absorbs only gadgets of certain size (mines, detectors and such), as well as toxic gases, fire, and smoke.) Could be useful to clear an area before entering or secure a cashout station for ur teammates.

[whole spruce]

u could have skins like a tiny black hole in a glass sphere or some kind of void rift

[sleek obsidian]

basically the vortex with a glitch nade shoved inside of it

[whole spruce]

🥲

[sleek obsidian]

there should be a blowdart for light as a weapon

[whole spruce]

Guys, what about a specialization for the medium (or light or heavy, idk), that consists in a one shot pistol that shoots a high caliber bullet that ricochets and bounces in walls

[heady kindle]

medium doesn't really have any of those cubey devices like grav cube, gateway, and vortex. Always love those ones

That could be it

Also we crazy need like a whole bunch more specialisations.

I dunno, they might not be weapons, but their nature as just more powerful gadgets is oh so very enticing. I want more

[stoic garden]

data reshaper:

[opaque mica]

I'd be open for something like what helldivers 2 has where you have open comms or your mic muted but can hear allies or full mute.

like for if an ally is calling for a play or something but you also are in VC on discord with a friend but don't want to completely ignore the ally

[foggy ruin]

I just use push to talk for that

Oh wait console doesn't have that does it

[opaque mica]

but if i have game chat muted that don't do anything on my end

I'm on PC.

[foggy ruin]

Wait what do you mean it doesn't do anything on your end?

I just use push to talk and I can still hear my teammates with out talking

[opaque mica]

oh shit, seriously?

[foggy ruin]

Yeah

I'm usually in a discord call with my friends all the time so that's what I usually do

[opaque mica]

thank you.

[foggy ruin]

You're welcome :D

[mental mirage]

anybody got any tips for a heavy to deal with riot shields, I cannot figure out how to deal with them. Im a diamond heavy main

[thick holly]

If you can, aim for the feet. try to stay with your team, but not on top of each other, making sure to get multiple angles on the riot shield

The shield can only block from one direction at a time.

Riot shield is a counter to good aim and tracking. Its main goal is to force people to adapt on the fly

[oblique crypt]

Flanking is good against riot shields.

[thick holly]

When that happens to me, there's literally nothing I can do other than attempt to push at least one of them

[thick holly]

Sorry misread this message, deleted the original thing replying to it lol

I swear I have some form of undiagnosed dyslexia sometimes

[mental mirage]

I hate the riot shield with an absolute passion, I cannot stand it, I feel there is very very little to NO counter play

[thick holly]

I'll be honest as someone who has been playing riot shield since season 1. It has some of the most counters in the game

All other melee weapons out damage it. Heavy by far has the most hard counters to riot shield

But the main counterplay is teamwork and using the movement to your advantage

[mental mirage]

there are 3-5 riot shielders in every game i play, that stat alone tells me its one of the best in the game lol, and it does more single hit damage than the light sword ive used them both, takes light sword single swings 6 to kill heavy its only 4 with riot shield

[heady kindle]

Its just cause of this world tour week making it a moneybag weapon

[mental mirage]

I cant escape dude they are in every single game

they always drop 10+ kills every game, its reeeaaallly good right now, with demat jump pad and zip line any decent player is not gonna get ganked by 3+ people at the same time

I cant stand it, once they are on you, which is ez to do being a movement medium, its gg every play

they sprint and still block shots i just think its so dumb and broken, i cant figure out a solid way to deal with it besides stay with my team full of random team mates doing whatever they want

about to switch classes until they do somethin about it so i can atleast run the same speed as them/out run them

[thick holly]

One suggestion I would make, honestly try riot shield out for yourself. Learn the tech with it and you'll have a better idea of its strengths and weaknesses

[dusty reef]

Riot shield is pretty OP, but there is really not much they can do to nerf it. It is functioning as intended. What makes it hard is the light and H mate that push and get behind you whilst being pushed by the riot shield. The combos are difficult to push

[spring spear]

that stat doesnt really mean anything since akm is also extremely popular and far from the strongest

[thick holly]

I'd say it's more of a situational weapon

There's been times in the same game where I'm a extremely dominant player, and then other cash box locations I'm next to useless

[dusty reef]

I like to say it is also only good on certain maps and truly a riot shield player is useless in solo Q for the most part. I am realizing as frustrating as it is, it is not an OP weapon. I retract my statement of OP. I do believe it is the best up close combat weapon in the game.

[mental mirage]

akm is consistent and the easiest automatic gun in the game to use, its why it spopular, its the default medium weapon

[spring spear]

yes, so the stat of it being popular means nothing in terms of how strong it is

[thick holly]

Yeah despite how it feels to some people. It's mainly a mastery weapon that people don't really know the counterplay against

[mental mirage]

seeing the same thing in every game when there are a plethora of choices, in ANY game, especially when you see people doing well with it, means its good

[spring spear]

it's pretty easy to counter but it does require knowing how to which is why its everywhere in lower level lobbies as people just kinda hold forward and just try to shoot everything with not much of a plan there

[spring spear]

are you saying the AKM is good, then?

[mental mirage]

the akm is good, like i said its very consistent, a lot of pro's use it lol

[spring spear]

pros use the famas or the pike with some fcar mixed in, i havent seen an akm in ages
there's a total of like, 10 players in ruby that use the riot shield too, so it's not exactly popular there either

[dusty reef]

@thick holly I do not believe the riot shield is anywhere as oppressive as stun gun, winch, recon, DB, invisible, and CL40 felt or currently feel. I have to agree most lower level and solo Q players do not know how to fully counter it yet.

[thick holly]

Yeah, exactly

The main issue with riot shield is that people just don't really know how to counter it

[dusty reef]

No pro or comp or rank player uses AKM. It is a low skill gun that does not require much time to learn recoil pattern.

[spring spear]

the skill required to use it isn't the issue, it's the fact that it has worse range and ttks than both pike and famas

[dusty reef]

Yeah, riot shield can be dealt with by taking down his teammates first or all 3 of you focus riot shield with Pyro and other methods. Draw him or her out to bait them or use mines or goo or turret.

@spring spear Yeah, I am aware TTK is very low on AKM.

[exotic skiff]

The main issue beeing the hitbox beeing bigger than the actual shield that all. Riot work because it's buggued

[spring spear]

thats an issue either with the netcode most likely due to desync

[thick holly]

Are you talking about game desync or the passive block?

[exotic skiff]

No that from the actual hitbox it got confirmed by dev they are working on it rn

[thick holly]

Hm, interesting

[mental mirage]

i watched youtube all night last night of comp players and saw it a few times

[spring spear]

oh well color me surprised

[exotic skiff]

That the only reason the weapons is working

[heady kindle]

I dislike all the recon abilities in the game. The effect is visually jarring even though its for my benefit, and it tracks in live rather than with pings, which is just too much intel.

I think if these were fixed, the duration could even be extended, and the frequency of pings increased on the grenade, or not, but either way I'm good as long as the effect is reduced, and it pings static positions instead of live feed

[exotic skiff]

Because you Can shoot the guys and it will get block

[thick holly]

Passive block is a major part of why riot shield works though

"If" they remove the passive block, then they should buff the main blocking

[spring spear]

the passive blocking is the only reason riot works at all

[mental mirage]

I just hate how much it blocks

[spring spear]

you'd have something even worse than dual blades if they took that out

[mental mirage]

when they are running at you at a slight angle they are extremely hard to hit

you can hit the feet and the head occasionally but its very difficult

[exotic skiff]

You dont understand that it block too much, the hitbox it's bug

You Can shoot the guys but it will still block because the hitbox it not good rn

[thick holly]

Yeah but I'm saying the passive block mechanic is still going to be a major part of riot shield

What I'm trying to say is that the hitbox isn't the only reason why riot shield can be used

[exotic skiff]

They will just make it block only the shield part line what it should be lol

You put a normal hitbox on it and riot shield is not as annoying

Stupid weapons who work out of a bug kinda funny

[thick holly]

Yeah I'm aware of that, I'm just saying that the main way riot shield plays will still be intact

[exotic skiff]

Yes ik, but will be less annoying

[mental mirage]

point is, screw riot shield

[heady kindle]

Mesh shield right?

Riot shield?

See give me a minute here:

Make the physical shield smaller, and make a mesh shield (shape of the riot shield, about halfway between heavys mesh and the normal riot shield size, make that project around the shield and have health.

And you can hit the mesh to break it down, but if it breaks, the physical shield is still there in the middle, providing cover still (albeit its smaller now, and thus less protective alone).

And as a bonus, the physical shield being smaller will cripple the awful "passive shield" effect without needing to do something unimmersive like make it disappear when not held up.

This, this will give riot shield users a more functional weapon that doesn't need weird strafing tech to be good, and will be more readable for people against them.

[thick holly]

Maybe, I'm not sure it does feel like it could be a bit complicated? Idk

[spring spear]

yeah that is way too convoluted, im ok with giving a small mesh shield with hp around the actual riot shield when you hold it up though

[thick holly]

If they did wanna rework riot shield a bit while keeping the same gameplay. They should probably do some nerfs to the passive block while buffing the active block.

For example maybe in the passive state the shield is held at an angle. That way there's still a lot of room to shoot at someone strafe running at you, but still requires you to aim at a specific spot.

[spring spear]

and if you break it the actual physical shield is still there anyway

[thick holly]

Hhhhh my autocorrect and tiredness ruined that

[elder linden]

i like this

[thick holly]

Fixed it

[elder linden]

right click is so useless on riot

[thick holly]

Yeah, if they wanna nerf the passive block while still keeping the same general functionality, they should buff the main gimmick with riot shield and make it leaning more towards active blocking

Maybe an active block buff could be the ability to crouch down while blocking for full coverage. Downside is your movement speed would be very slow

[heady kindle]

Ooh, what if the riot shield like, folded up a bit when holstered?

[thick holly]

Maybe, I might make a large post in feedback so the devs can look at it. I know they have seen one suggestion I've made in the past and changed it

Because they did the exact change I suggested for the healing emitter

[gloomy bobcat]

breakable riot shield (x2 of dome shield)

recharges very fast tho

[heady kindle]

Itd have to come with a nerf to passive block though

[gloomy bobcat]

perchance

[heady kindle]

Maybehaps

[gloomy bobcat]

out of topic but what do you think of vaiiya and cns perfumes
possibility of it

[heady kindle]

May we speak of the shak50?

Just to praise it. Good weapon all round, and the low mag is literally a perfect balancing technique.

It is possibly the most perfectly not too weak nor too strong weapon in the entire game, I dare say.

[indigo nexus]

Being quite the meta weapon you could definitely argue it is too strong.

But for most players it’s fine

Mag size is unfortunately a fundamentally problematic balancing technique because the amount to which it matters is highly skill dependant

[heady kindle]

Maybe, but to that I say its where all weapons should aspire to be.

Find perfect balance, and go oh so slightly above to add to the fun factor.

This is where a weapon thrives. Shak50 is a good example. Though it also proves how impossible this standard is to reach with things that aren't a basic assault rifle.

[indigo nexus]

How could that be possible? You can’t have every weapon beating out every other weapon

[heady kindle]

Balance perhaps was poor wording. In fact, what I said made no sense. Sorry.

I can't put into words what I actually mean. But you get what I mean when I say shak50 is amazing.

Maybe I'm thinking of the fun factor?

[indigo nexus]

If one finds a weapon particularly fun I’m sure they’d like the other weapons to be on par

but that’s so terribly subjective. Personally I don’t find the weapon very enjoyable compared to many others

[heady kindle]

Oh? What do you find fun then?

[indigo nexus]

On the heavy class itself I’d say spear, M60 and MGL32

[muted condor]

Spear user spotted
Opinion: accepted

[heady kindle]

Fair fair. I personally like ks23, shak, and third weapon pending

Perhaps spear or flamethrower to top off my heavy cornucopia

[sudden pewter]

Some players spam the comms wheel too so I’d love a full mute option (wheel, mic, text) and a lite option (just mic)

Although tbh the best option 🚨 IMO 🚨 would be to make the tab menu interactive and just have these options there

[compact tundra]

As a big flamethrower fan you should give it a try. Honestly works well with any spec. To use shield effectively with it you need to learn the cursed tech, Heavy..Movement... All other specs work as normal. Winch, winches, charge let's you bum rush players through walls, goo let's you stun and cook them along with increasing mobility.

Spear is very fun and better than may first appear. But spear is also pretty reliant on winch and spin cancel.

[indigo nexus]

goo spear meta

spin cancel is a crutch!!!

[muted condor]

Still waiting for spear to get a rework where it can deal some damage eventually

[compact tundra]

What do you guys think about this weapon idea

Pike (Big spear)

Melee weapon for heavy

Primary fire

• Has a 6-10 meter range, doesn't have a hit box between you and the 6m range, so getting in your face is a good counter.
• the heavy stabs the pike starting and 6m and quickly progressing to 10m away from the heavy, so enemies at the 6m range get hit slightly faster than enemies at the 10m range
• does 75 DMG per stab
  -- 2 shots lights
  -- 4 shots mediums
  -- 5 shots heavies
• the attack animation takes .3 seconds with a .2 second cooldown. So a 150dps with perfect timing.

Shoulder shield

• While equiped heavy has a shoulder strapped kite shield that blocks 40% of incoming damage if they hit the shields hit box. To avoid this they can shoot head or feet, or they can strafe as the shield is locked into your shoulders
• when using Pike the heavy always runs with there shoulder infront of them, so the shield stays in the front

Secondary fire

• the heavy shield checks an enemy within QM range, knocking them back 8m.
• secondary fire deals 50 DMG.
• .4 second buffer after shoulder checking
• shoulder checking limits enemies movement for .5 seconds (soft stun).

Don't know if it's a good idea, just kinda liked the idea of pike and shield for heavy. I used damage resistance rather than a proper shield because heavy does not need a riot shield. And this is honestly cutting it a bit too close than I probably like.

[indigo nexus]

Very janky and I think too powerful.

[compact tundra]

Probably, but shit spears like the jankiest weapon already, so bigger spear needs bigger jank. It's simple math really

I did choose kite shield for a reason tho. It doesn't cover nearly as much as a tower shield or as the riot shield, and you can still be head shot, doesn't protect against thos. And kite shield also is easier to strafe since it's more narrow than other shields.

[elfin salmon]

what's the best light build ?

[sudden pewter]

Monkeys Paw Curls
You can now hold the primary attack to charge a high damage thrust with no melee aim assist

[compact tundra]

Depends on how good your aim and flank skills are, and what you're looking for. You Wanna be a meta light that shreds people with consistent damage output, or a movement rat that can position however you want, or do you Wanna be a headshot demon that can pop other lights like the rats they are. Depends on what you're looking for, I personally play support light with good flanking, so I run

• Dash
• Sword
• Gateway
• Vanish bomb
• Grenade/Sonar/Infuser (depends on game)

[indigo nexus]

I think something like invis 93r gateway. The other gadgets I think it's more personal preference?

ARN seems to be considered very good too

[elfin salmon]

I have the best aim.......... but that's it😂

[compact tundra]

Eh, all smgs are probably about equal.
-Arn shreds of you can hit heads
-M11 let's you keep your mobility and just hip fire, and isn't bad at ADSing if you have to take a mid range fight
-Xp is good if you want more mid ramge but also wanna keep a close range

[elfin salmon]

I want to deal massive dmg

I can heat headshots but not very consistent

[indigo nexus]

well, m11 is the dps option

[elfin salmon]

what would be a good all around loadout for m11 ?

[sudden pewter]

• Dash Spec
• M11
• Gateway
• H+
• Sonar Grenade

[compact tundra]

Probably recommend

For consistent dps
-Xp54
-Double barrel if you are at least half decent at positioning
-throwing knives if you can hit heads
-either pistol, 93R let's you avoid ADSing, V9 shreds harder

[indigo nexus]

probably invis and gateway again, though you could use dash

for the other gadgets I like goo / frag nades, and H+ is pretty meta

[compact tundra]

I don't recommend invis, it's countered by half decent graphics

Grapple is good if you have the movement and positioning knowledge to use it, dash is always solid.

[indigo nexus]

kinda... but it also seems to have stayed as a meta option

if you're stationary it is still very unlikely people will see you

[compact tundra]

Eh, it can be good, but on someone asking for advice I definitely wouldn't recommend it. People tend to get over confident when cloaked and that gets them killed

[elfin salmon]

I'll use this

thanks @compact tundra @indigo nexus @sudden pewter for help !!! ❤️

[compact tundra]

I will say be careful with gateway. It's probably lights best gadget next to infuser and glitch nades. But it's skill ceiling is high. Look up a tutorial or something on it, the gateway requires knowledge, awareness, and creativity

[somber jewel]

I want a mini store pack.

Mini M-16 (a 1 handed toy one) to replace the burst pistol for light.
(It'll be one handed still as to look goofy and not mess up player models)

Mini hats, Mini skirt etc...

[indigo nexus]

The pistol descriptions seem backwards. The v9s has the better ttk while the 93r has the better hipfire.

[compact tundra]

My bad, it is

Don't use them too much, I got confused

[jolly pine]

being a meta weapon doesn't mean that is broken, shak50 is good on high elo because of his ttk potential, but the low dmg per mag and the really bad range makes it a really unforgiving gun, Sa12 is still better because of the movement it provides and the huge mag

[indigo nexus]

I don't know exactly what you imply via "broken", but I don't see how this affects the point

[compact tundra]

I mean your right but the speed at which headshots shred is so aggravating as a light, same with D-eagles

Not saying it isn't balanced, just damn does it suck to fight good Shak players

[jolly pine]

Both guns require good aim, and you are not supposed to win a fair 1v1 against a heavy if you are playing light

[sudden pewter]

Shak is the great equalizer Ishallah 🙏

[compact tundra]

Lights whole job is 1v1's, now they're not supposed to be fair, But light is kinda supposed to be heavies check, constantly keeping the pressure up while slipping in and out of the fight. The high DPS means even heavies aren't usually safe from lights. And I would say shak fits into this well, D-eagles don't for me tho. Their damage and more importantly range is too good in my opinion. they probably need 1 of the 2 toned down a bit, if I had to choose tho I'd choose the range be toned down.

[jolly pine]

My point is that you can't balance by only looking at ttk, there is so many different factors of why a gun is good or bad. Different guns have different playstyles, so they are balanced on a different way.

[wicked vapor]

When will the defib get a new skin ?

[compact tundra]

When dual blades get buffed

[shell sonnet]

didnt it get the gold skin recently?

[wicked vapor]

real

[wicked vapor]

I meant like a new model, not a recolor

[jolly pine]

In a comp level lights job is not 1v1's, most of the value a light gets is from picks, poke dmg, and the utility they provide with their gadgets. The drawback of akimbo is that they don't fit on heavy playstyle, most of the dmg comes from headshots and the range doesn't help that much, you are not supposed to fight long range as a heavy, that's mediums/lights job.

[compact tundra]

Its got a few, but it hasn't gotten a new skin in a while besides the gold

[shell sonnet]

there are some that straight up just dont have skins yet

[compact tundra]

That's kinda what I'm getting at, the range in D-eagles is the big issue

[wicked vapor]

yeah but i mean, hands as defib would be sick asl

[shell sonnet]

ok, i kinda want an ice bucket defib now

i might draw that for fan works if i feel like it

[compact tundra]

And I'd say light still 1v1's, just like you said they get picks and poke. They keep pestering people until there team can distract them, then they take the 1v1 and pick someone. They play dirty and jump people, but that's why I said it's not fair, but the ultimate goal is still to bait a 1v1 and let your team handle the 2v2

[wicked vapor]

I can't post the hands yet, how do i even get the perms to post ?

[compact tundra]

Gotta rank up

[wicked vapor]

let's speedrun then

[compact tundra]

Do it in the finals chat if your gonna spam

[jolly pine]

They have the same Min and Max range drop off than Lewis gun, In theory Lewis is better on long range because of the body shot, rpm, and the 67% drop off modifier, the only way akimbos are better on this situation is the lack of recoil

[compact tundra]

But lewis burst is way lower and a lot less punishing, and it requires good tracking and sustained fire as well, so it's more balanced to me

[shell sonnet]

write more to level up

[shell sonnet]

im 🐌

[shell sonnet]

one could argue, since its less htk, its easier than lewis, which needs better tracking

[somber jewel]

I want a mini store pack.

Mini M-16 (a 1 handed toy one) to replace the burst pistol for light.
(It'll be one handed still as to look goofy and not mess up player models)

Mini hats, Mini skirt etc...

[jolly pine]

Both guns require good aim, the difference is on what type of aim style they need, lewis is more tracking focus while akimbos is more micro adjustment focus. Akimbos are only better if you hit 1 to 2 headshots every fight, so they have a higher skill ceiling than lewis, so i don't think they're unbalanced on my opinion

[jolly pine]

The main issue with lewis gun is the lack of burst dmg, making it really hard to fit in the heavy playstyle

[shell sonnet]

oh im not really partaking in this rn, just wanted to throw a random thought i had in here
i dont really care atm

[compact tundra]

When taking comp tho we should presume that higher skill ceiling is met. And with D-eagles it can partially nullify one of heavies weaknesses while not really adding any of it's own. The lewis is out preformed and close to mid range by both the mini-gun and m60, so theres a trade off for that range, the D-eagles have no tradeoff other than skill, and since the skill is aiming, it's far more common to be good at high Elos. They need a slight nerf to me for this reason.

[shell sonnet]

how do you want to achieve that?

[compact tundra]

Im not sure, cause D-eagles niche is range so depends on if we wanna fix the range or the ttk

[jolly pine]

the weakness of deagles is how inconsistent they are at close range compared to other guns (shak, sa12)

[compact tundra]

And I don't want a heavy nerf, just a bit of a toning down, I don't think there busted

[jolly pine]

maybe a rpm nerf?

[compact tundra]

But their not really worse if you can aim

[compact tundra]

That could honestly work pretty well, raises the ttk and helps mitigate ranged kills

I mean compared to those 2 yes, but compared to the guns that compete with the D-eagles there not really worse, there actually better

[jolly pine]

There is a huge difference in aim between high elo players, that's why you don't see akimbos being played on ranked/scrims that much compared to sa12

[jolly pine]

I don't think comparing akimbos with lewis is fair, Lewis is so mid in most situations and i hate that because i love playing lewis

[muted condor]

SA12 and deagles are two of the highest skill heavy weapons

[compact tundra]

I haven't reached really high in ranked yet (I've only been playing ranked for about a week and a half now and I'm currently at gold 2), but i don't see why they wouldn't be more used. They fill a niche the shak and SA don't, and they fill it really well

[compact tundra]

I think it's mid because it's competition is the D-eagles. They took it's niche, before them it was more used

But minigun also works well at mid so lewis probably needs a slight buff

[jolly pine]

Akimbos are not used in high elo because they are really hard to play close range (the range you are supposed to play as a heavy) and you get out Dps by pike and most of the light guns at long range, so they're viable but you need to have insane aim to make it work

[muted condor]

Lewis could use a recoil buff

[compact tundra]

I don't know if that's really true tho, if you can hit heads they are great at short range, they suffer at close range but still not impossible to fight with, just makes heads harder to hit. And I feel like at high Elos that's where people would have the aim to make them work

[jolly pine]

It got buffed already, and idk what they can buffed to make it viable

[compact tundra]

And as long as you're not taking outdoors fights those guns lose their advantage

[brazen mango]

not true

Akimbos have been the default pick on monaco and sometimes even seoul for tourneys and scrims for quite a bit now

[subtle badger]

Hi I'm new to this game and am looking for a recommended build that i can use for light class that is fun and beginner friendly if any one can help me out it will be appreciated.

[compact tundra]

What are you good at, aim, positioning, awareness, movement?

[brazen mango]

there is a lot of guns you can use and you dont HAVE to use vanish bomb

[compact tundra]

Don't know if I'd recommend V9 to a new player if there strength isn't aiming

[subtle badger]

i'm pretty much good at every thing except aiming

[brazen mango]

its the lowest recoil gun

ARN is harder, XP has way less damage per mag so its much less forgiving

[muted condor]

V9 is a pretty easy light gun imo but I hardly play light

[jolly pine]

you don't need good aim to reach ruby/high elo, is all about finding a stack and good game sense. There is so many times i have went against a ruby player and im able to win the fair 1v1, and im not that good compared to some other people

[jolly pine]

Sa12 is still better on most situations

[brazen mango]

yes, but not on monaco, nobody plays SA12 on monaco

[subtle badger]

ok ill try the loadout out thanks for the recommended loadout.

[jolly pine]

That's because monaco suck, is the headglitch map

[compact tundra]

Aight so

Specs
-dash is always good
-grapple requires thinking, good positioning and creative movement knowledge
-cloak is honestly not great if you don't know what your doing, it'll get some kills but it's easily countered by a good monitor and the cloak tends to make you over confident

Weapons

• Double barrel, fight at breath smelling distance and don't miss, but the aim isn't hard, just sniff there crack and pull the trigger

• Matter shotgun has lower dps but is more forgiving on aim

• 93R shreds and has good hip fire, requires skill with burst tho

• M11 is the hip fire shred machine, just get close and spray, they'll go down.

• Sword is if you want to be the slipperiest rat possible, has a higher skill floor and requires a base knowledge on super lunging, but works really well if you get to that level. USE THE LUNGE

[brazen mango]

or XP because

[compact tundra]

All gadgets are great but I like vanish for new players since if you get outta position it helps you get away

[brazen mango]

tracking dart meta ong

[compact tundra]

Lucky bastard

[grave narwhal]

Gun idea- something that shoots through walls, like a superheated spike launcher

[compact tundra]

My flex is cooler, sniffles

[compact tundra]

I hate you

[grave narwhal]

Game idea- add more faces and hairstyles. Or just a flat out character creator.

Skin idea- sledgehammer skin that has a bunch of smashed coins and guns on each end

[brazen mango]

SA12 needs a mythic skin

[grave narwhal]

Remodel the gun into an aa-12 for the mythic skin

[indigo nexus]

these would make for some great weapons and gadgets

[compact tundra]

Throws a weave as a gadget

[grave narwhal]

I don’t know where to put game ideas, Mr perfect.

[indigo nexus]

#👂┇game-feedback

[brazen mango]

what id give for a star wars crossover and an SA12 skin where the mag cycle action is a blaster cooldown

[grave narwhal]

A crossover… in the finals… oh if we ever see the day.

Charlie is making a bunch of videos though, the game might gain enough popularity to have some kind of crossover.

[indigo nexus]

I'm not opposed to crossovers per se as long as they don't overdo it...

[brazen mango]

something like the singularity skinline from valorant would be sick aswell, instead of a reload/mag cycle you switch out a shiny gemstone at the bottom and rotate it

[indigo nexus]

don't want to end up like fortnite filling the game with random star wars stuff every few seasons

[brazen mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbuMEpWV4tA

[brazen mango]

some crossovers would be nice for this game ngl

[indigo nexus]

I just would not want them to overwrite the general theming.

[grave narwhal]

I don’t know though, I like the original astetic the finals has, I really don’t want them to do a COD

[brazen mango]

its a futuristic gameshow, there really is no "original aesthetic"

if we can have a wooden stick as a revolver skin we can have futuristic skins

[indigo nexus]

Skins are all good

[grave narwhal]

I meant the game has its own vibe, it’s different, unique. It shouldn’t be overdone with crossovers

[indigo nexus]

An example of something I would not like, is the main menu image being some starwars backdrop with tie fighters flying around or whatever, or having the music be star wars themed

[brazen mango]

Oh yeah no

Crossovers should just be gamemodes, events, and skins, no UI changes

[indigo nexus]

or it having major impacts on the gameplay (something like a small world tour event would be alright)

[grave narwhal]

Exactly, or have a stormtrooper running around on the overdogs

[brazen mango]

Nah skins would be goated

[grave narwhal]

Idk…

[brazen mango]

I need a darth vader helmet for my heavy

[grave narwhal]

Level 300 ruby light running around dressed as darth maul

I’d quit the match right there.

[brazen mango]

Nah that would go hard

This is the one game where I really dont mind over the top skins

[grave narwhal]

I just don’t know, I’m chill with Bigfoot or an alien running around but crossover characters might ruin the atmosphere.

[sudden pewter]

Like?

[brazen mango]

any skin thats actually worth using, SA12 hasnt gotten good skin in ages

[sudden pewter]

On the topic of artstyle, The Finals definitely has one but I’m not sure how to define it.

I can’t draw the line but I could definitely say something has crossed the line when it comes up

[brazen mango]

im still using the shitass season 2 vaiiya battlepass skin because they just havent added shit

[sudden pewter]

I’m only using the Eclipse Shade skin till something better comes out

Maybe when we get an Alfa Acta Bundle 🥴

[compact tundra]

I think cross over skins are perfectly fine but cross over characters would ruin it. Seeing a guy run around in a Jedi robe with a light saber sword would be fine, but seeing Darth Vader run around would ruin it

[sudden pewter]

I completely agree. I’d hate to see a 1:1 Lightsaber as a sword skin but something reminiscent of one would be fine

Just slap a Dissun logo on it and it’s seamless

[compact tundra]

I think 1 to 1 could work for items like that, as long as it still feels like the finals

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, but seeing a Darth Vader 1:1 on a Medium would be so jarring

[iron shell]

Acog for every fully auto gun pls

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1116924424726249615/1123395110223228958/D44C7616-7737-4E39-833D-0CCF024C22F0.gif

Wait, didn’t they modify zoom to be consistent across all sights? Or am I misremembering

If that is the case, then yeah slap ACOG on all guns why not?

Not pistols though obviously

Or shotguns

[jolly pine]

ACOG has more zoom than other sights

im pretty sure looking glass and ACOG are the only ones with more than 1.0x zoom

[sudden pewter]

I vaguely recall some zoom issues with various sights being touched up this season but I’m too lazy to search for it. If ACOG has a higher zoom than most of the other options I wouldn’t want it available to every auto weapon

[jolly pine]

I'm pretty sure that was s6, ACOG has more zoom than other sight, and is only available on lh1, repeater, xp, and famas

[sudden pewter]

ACOG is on LH1? Really?

[jolly pine]

im still waiting for more sights, i'm getting bored of using Holo and red dot all the time

[sudden pewter]

I’m hoping they allow us to customize the sights somewhat in the future. If not the retitles themselves, maybe the color

[jolly pine]

yes, is unusable because of the visual recoil, and it also has glint if im not wrong

[jolly pine]

with the system they have rn the only thing they can do is add more,

[indigo nexus]

Well I think they’re hoping they’ll upgrade the system

[jolly pine]

Is gonna take a while, they are still working in the gun system that was supposed to be implemented at the start of this season

[sudden pewter]

Hopefully that’s on the docket for a rework along with melee

[indigo nexus]

the general development of the game is a highly parallelised process

not really any way to determine the overall picture from the small snapshots we get

[jolly pine]

yea, i love this game but they take so LOOONG to add/rework things

[sudden pewter]

Yes, definitely a pain point. Hopefully with all the additional revenue from the Premium BP we can expedite fixing some major issues and put the rest towards improving systems

[jolly pine]

s8 is focus on fixing ranked for what i know, i don't think we are getting big gun/melee changes soon

[indigo nexus]

Funds aren't going to speed up development in the short term. Expanding the team would be a very gradual thing

typically takes a lot of work to onboard new programmers

[sudden pewter]

Oscar said in the future rather than adding more guns they’re looking to overhauling/reworking existing things in the game to “keep them fresh” which I’m okay with. Melee as a whole will also be getting reworked as confirmed by Oscar (recent AMA stream)

[sudden pewter]

Very true. I’m not expecting changes overnight but I’d love to hear communication from Embark on how they’re addressing issues

[indigo nexus]

we'll have to wait for the next QnA I guess.

[sudden pewter]

I’d hope for another AMA as the QnA is generally vetted and very sanitized afaik

[jolly pine]

They are putting all their resources on ARC Raiders, the finals is just a secondary project

[sudden pewter]

No, it’s actually the opposite

Arc Raiders development was put on the back burner for them to focus more on The Finals

In fact, Arc Raiders was originally just a PvP extraction shooter, no PvE elements

[indigo nexus]

It's two separate teams.

[brazen mango]

who said this

[sudden pewter]

I’d also like to know

[brazen mango]

cuz they said the same thing in S2 and only made it worse

[sudden pewter]

Terminal Attack could be removed from the game and nobody would shed a tear

[brazen mango]

S2 ranked was infinitely better than S4 onward

[sudden pewter]

Erm but griefing and stacking ☝️ 🤓

[brazen mango]

the thing that got worse with S4?

[indigo nexus]

How did S2 ranked work? I did not play it much at all.

[brazen mango]

griefing wasnt a thing the way it is in S2, people just held boxes, in S2 you had to macro around boxes and 3rd party to grief, with S3 the only thing embark did was add more ways of griefing

[brazen mango]

higher wipe amounts and no money on starting a cashout, griefing was infinitely less common and way more risky

you could literally lose games in S2 for trying to grief, now if you are in a position where you cant get griefed out you get to bully 2nd place out for free

[jolly pine]

S2 ranked was bad, reachig diamond was just playtime, and the entire rs system was horrible

[brazen mango]

still is like that, just that higher elo lobbies are way more miserable post S4 than they were in S2

stacked S2 lobbies were fun, stacked S4 lobbies were terrible

[jolly pine]

griefing was less common because people didn't know how to play the game at the time

[sudden pewter]

I still don’t have a single match of ranked under my belt so I can’t comment

[brazen mango]

thats just not true

[sudden pewter]

Just going to say regardless of any changes made even if objectively positive people will still bemoan them

[jolly pine]

It is, you can watch old s2 gameplay, the macro was not as develop as now

[brazen mango]

If we are talking abt bad players yeah

[jolly pine]

everyone was worse on s2

[brazen mango]

you are mistaking the macro in S2 being different for people being worse at the gamemode, people didnt lose matches in S2 because you COULDNT, top 10 requires 100+ win streaks in high diamond

[jolly pine]

most of the high elo players were worse on s2, also the matchmaking sucked on ranked, i was getting queue with golds while being diamond every single match

[brazen mango]

yet the gamemode itself was much better, the matchmaking has not changed since S2

S2 didnt allow people to grief by simply plugging a box, because that was a risk to your qual aswell

the gamemode has only gotten worse since S2, plug money being in the game makes griefing way too easy

shits been an issue since S4 and embark havent done anything to adress it

[jolly pine]

i agree, but you were still able to grief on s2

there was less incentive to do it because there was not a top 500 rank at the moment

[brazen mango]

griefing in S2 was a lot harder than it is now, because of plug money and lower wipes

[jolly pine]

S2 cashout had his problems also, third party was a lot worse because you didn't get any money when plugging

[brazen mango]

that has absolutely nothing to do with plug money, that was a spawn issue

saying plug money fixed 3rd partying is like saying cutting your arm off helps against a headache

plug money added a bunch of issues without actually fixing anything about 3rd parties

[jolly pine]

You didn't get any money from plugs or kills, vault fights didn't matter at all, and third parting at the right moment was heavily rewarded

[brazen mango]

matter of fact in S4 specifically it made it WORSE because plugging boxes WAS NEEDED to play properly

so you ran around the map plugging boxes

[jolly pine]

s4 plug meta was cancer, but s2 cashout was also bad, there is not been a 100% competitive state for this game mode

[brazen mango]

S2 was objectively better simply because the better teams qualed more consistently if they played better

[jolly pine]

This still applies to current cashout, the better team is always gonna qual

[brazen mango]

That is straight up just not true

[jolly pine]

The better team is going to get first place most of the times

[brazen mango]

22k boxes double and 2nd place team is basically garuanteed to lose, the issue with that is that that didnt happen NEARLY as often in S2 because first team didnt get money for doubling a cashout

[brazen mango]

yes, and 2nd place which did better than the other 2 teams almost always loses because 22k boxes double and they get griefed

[hazy light]

does the FCAR or AKM have a better TTK?

[brazen mango]

because whoever plugs boxes gets money, so 1st place can just plug a double to gaurantee their qual and grief 2nd place for free by letting another team steal

Griefing has gotten infinitely worse because in S2 the risk to griefing was that you HAD to 3rd party, now griefing is "oh we have slightly more money so we double, hard focus and let 3rd or 4th place steal"

[plush harbor]

go away mr lord potato

[jolly pine]

I agree griefing is worse, but s2 griefing was also possible, you only need it a wipe on the 2nd team to grief them out, it was more risky but still a viable strat

[brazen mango]

Yes but you said it yourself, it was more risky, of course it was possible

But S2 griefing wasnt remotely as bad as its been since S4

[jolly pine]

I need to farm my Finalist role

[plush harbor]

Gross!

[jolly pine]

people didn't care about ranked at the time, there was not reward for grinding leaderboard after getting diamond

[brazen mango]

No, the gamemode was literally different and didnt enabling griefing half as much as it does now

Griefing now is way easier, of course people learned and care more, doesnt change the fact that current cashout is worse than S2 cashout

[jolly pine]

S2 cashout was better, but the meta was also worse

[brazen mango]

I disagree, Heavy was unbalanced and Light was in a bad spot but at least people fought each other

And winch wasnt in the game, game has literally just degenerated into running away from fights, hiding, stopping steals and playing for winch claw picks

[sudden pewter]

I love Winch and will defend it vehemently but I cannot argue against Winch Fishing being problematic

At the very least it’s bad for the games health overall

[jolly pine]

Balancing wise the game is better now, the only issue is kitting being a lot more relevant

[jolly pine]

Winch is fun but it needs a rework

[sudden pewter]

Definitely needs a rework but I don’t know how that should be handled

[brazen mango]

Balancing wise overall yes, but at the cost of heavy only having 1 usable spec and medium losing its identity as a support class

[sudden pewter]

Heavy should not have mobility so enemy displacement makes sense

[jolly pine]

make it so you need to charge it before releasing it, and in the charging state you have the same movement than mesh shield

[sudden pewter]

I don’t believe that would remedy the issues many players have with Winch, and it removes the reactivity of the specialization in combat

[brazen mango]

Winch shouldnt go trough shields

[jolly pine]

medium still has the best support gadgets

[sudden pewter]

H+ needs to be reworked ASAP or nerfed further

[elfin salmon]

+1

@jolly pine do you main light ?

[jolly pine]

I agree, there is no couter play against winch if you are using mesh rn

[keen plover]

Oh dang, i didnt even know they did that.

[brazen mango]

Mesh just loses 100/100 times vs winch

[jolly pine]

I mostly play heavy, but i can play every class without any issues

[elfin salmon]

what guns do you run on heavy ?

[jolly pine]

Ks23 for fun, but when i play ranked i use sa12 and akimbos

[brazen mango]

Embark gutting mesh and adding a hard counter to it that also does everything else better might be peak game design ngl

[elfin salmon]

and what do you run on light ?

[jolly pine]

Having hard counters in a game were you can't switch specs/gadgest is so dumb in my opinion

[brazen mango]

Yes

Thermal vision is such a pest aswell, but cloak needed a rework anyway rather than them just making it unusable

[jolly pine]

I run arn most of the times, but 93r is better in most situations

[elfin salmon]

93r that good ?

[jolly pine]

They need to do something against thermal vision smokes playstyle, there is nothing you can do if you don't have a light with thermal

[jolly pine]

Is meta because of the burst dmg, but you can still play with different guns if you don't like playing 93r

[elfin salmon]

and what's you go-to loadout when playing ranked ? as heavy and light

[jolly pine]

Heavy is Sa12/akimbo, domeshield, rpg, c4

and light is arn/93r, gateway, H+ infuser, glitch grenade

[elfin salmon]

and what specialization ?

[jolly pine]

Winch for heavy and dash for light

[elfin salmon]

what's the best way to farm the diamonds to buy weapons ?

[jolly pine]

You get Vrs by just playing the game, there is not a way to farm them

[elfin salmon]

Thanks !!!

[sudden pewter]

I like playing TDM, but VR per time is probably just QC

[obsidian nexus]

93R OP

light class does too much

[sudden pewter]

Your hate will fester

[obsidian nexus]

actual game ruining class

[sudden pewter]

Yessss Yessss let it flow through you

That anger is strength, hold onto it

[obsidian nexus]

funny

played 1 game. final round against a 93r light. shits not hard to deal with. but its just unfun in every possible way

logging off for today again, cant stand this game anymore. its so sad that 1 singular class can just completely make the game stressful and unfun

[jolly pine]

Light is balanced, is just unfun to play against sometimes

[obsidian nexus]

all the times,

[dusty solar]

movement speed is just crazy

[plush harbor]

no class in this game is hard to fight

[obsidian nexus]

its not fun when the class is literally best at making games unfun. they can get away for free. they have so many gadgets that are perfect for 3rd and griefing. its just unfun man...

93r is super OP right now

[weak kernel]

not accusing of nothing but it's funny seeing all of your posts in here being "light ruins the game single-handedly so unfun" while your name and pic is icies, a character that was so unfun to play against that they effectively got banned from play