💣┇weapons-gadgets

[normal ice]

You're kind of just ignoring the middleground. You propose a hypothetical where you assume the throw is laser accurate and undodgeable, and then you assume anything worse would "never hit" lol

[placid slate]

You can cancel it btw

[umbral stone]

No ur good I see what you’re saying. I’m decent but nowhere near a competitive player and I’m a fan of fun last resort type weapons and weird shit. The community at large would probably hate it tho

[normal ice]

With what, a ledgeclimb?

[placid slate]

Youre valid, 90% of the throw suggestions come from.mfs who don't use spear

[placid slate]

Open your comms wheel, that's it

[normal ice]

Great, another comms wheel exploit I didn't know about. Well, let's let it just cancel normally lol

[umbral stone]

I still don’t rlly see why it’s an inherently bad idea. It would turn a niche weapon with a low pick rate into something actually unique and new with an interesting mechanic

[stiff vine]

i once mained spear for a short while and i still cant understand what its point is, because its stuck between sledge and flamethrower in terms of range and has worse dps than both while needing more skill to get the most use out of it

and im not even talking about the M2 attack because that is horrible

[placid slate]

Because spear mfs are cooler than both of them

Sledge hammer mfs are just glorified cavemen, dunno what flamethrower mfs are tho

[royal pier]

I mean wind-up lag and a slow projectile would make it pretty easy for Light and Medium to dodge.

I just want a dedicated melee/throw hybrid, but the throw should be just good with minimal caveats.

[normal ice]

Well, if we can't add it to Spear for whatever reason, I'd like a new such hybrid, too

[charred grotto]

a wind up throw could add an extra layer of skill expression. being able to time your throw in between light dashes, similar to throwing knives right click. sounds OK on paper but might be kinda jank if they can just triple dash away.

slow projectile tho, yeah gg

[placid slate]

Embark would probably benefit from it being a different weapon anyway since they could balance it differently and make more money off skins

[charred grotto]

embark adding an atlatl when

[royal pier]

It would still detract from a hypothetical weapon that just had a short range swing and throw. Spear would have ranged stabs, AoE spin, and a throw. Even if the throw is worse, it still has 3 things to the throwing axes or w/e 2 things.

[umbral stone]

True, but the more weapons they add the harder it gets to balance things. Why not take something that already needs a rework

[placid slate]

Because spear doesn't need a rework, it needs buffs. It's conceptually sound, but it's numbers are lacking

[charred grotto]

i didnt even notice that your first sentence was referencing the spear. i agree, it should be its own dedicated weapon.

[placid slate]

It's more healthy for the game than sledge could every wish it was

[royal pier]

Headshot multipliers. Make two stabs to the head kill Light, 3 for Medium, 4 for Heavy.

[charred grotto]

speaking of sledge, whats so bad about a melee weapon being in the top 3 most effective weapons? should melee just not be effective? to what extent? top 5? top 10? the nerf still seems arbitrary to me.

[umbral stone]

Changing how the weapon functions would help it feel more distinct from sledge and create a new play style instead of having two weapons that fill a very similar role

[normal ice]

Sledge was fine, don't do that to my man

[placid slate]

Sledge is burst singel target, spear is range and multitarget. They already has different roles. Spear just needs number adjustments for that to be more clear

[placid slate]

Spear not having a one shot is healthier for the game than sledge having a one shot, you cannot deny that

[stiff vine]

where's the ranged multi-target in the second and third hits of the melee combo

[umbral stone]

I know they’re not the same, just very similar In terms of how you play the two weapons (how you position yourself and engage in fights)

[stiff vine]

i think spear would be more viable if the second hit was also a sweep attack

[normal ice]

No, I think one shots are perfectly fine when they have drawbacks or very specific conditions. H oneshotting L with overhead swing was extremely rare

[stiff vine]

then it would be 2 sweeps and a thrust

[royal pier]

Sledgehammer only one shots lights that fall for overhead bait like the ol' "I'm running away" then you turn around after rounding the corner.

[charred grotto]

real

[umbral stone]

Agree. I never felt like sledge one shot was op as a light

[placid slate]

Because they are melee on heavy, the class is what determines that, not the fact you are two melee weapons

[drowsy orchid]

Sledge is dead lmao. Actually useless now. What’s the point of giving the slowest class melee weapons that do NO damage at all?

[royal pier]

You should know to never follow a Sledgehammer around a corner, ever.

[placid slate]

Talking about the qm combo

[stiff vine]

heavy should have high damage melees to compensate for the slow move speed

[royal pier]

Light can dash out of it.

[charred grotto]

qm combo wasn't guarunteed w/ dash

[normal ice]

Melee in general is dead. Wish it wasn't so

[royal pier]

A lot of Lights just give up after being winched, it's weird.

[placid slate]

Pre or post net code change?

[umbral stone]

I play and position myself very differently using a lmg with heavy compared to when I’m using melee heavy. I even switch my gadgets and specialization to fit that play style

[drowsy orchid]

It’s sad man. Sledge was a genuinely balanced weapon since it’s effectiveness entirely relied on baiting players into fast ttk combos.

[royal pier]

Post. Applied to both. The Light in this video rarely dies to the combo.

[stiff vine]

sword died but it was op since season 3 so i had too much pent up hate to care for it

[royal pier]

If they do, it's because they got caught with no dashes.

They escape with grapple as well.

[umbral stone]

The sword hate makes me feel like I’m playing a different game sometimes. I literally never had an issue with it I had no idea so many people hated it until it got gutted

[placid slate]

Sword literally was never touched prior to season 4, I don't see how it was op in season 3 specifically and not the other 2

[viral crest]

The sword was very annoying in the first seasons i guess

[royal pier]

If they wanted to do anything about the QM combo, the better change would be to not let said QM cancel the swing animation, making it slightly slower and easier to react to.

[stiff vine]

ccould be because i started playing in season 3 and couldnt swing my mouse all over the place so it was annoying and in season 4 it was even more annoying

[drowsy orchid]

Melee was already rough on console ever since aim assist got cranked up high in the early seasons, but a sledge nerf is actually deranged.

[indigo nexus]

What was changed that could affect this?

[royal pier]

Btw, I do acknowledge that sometimes servers are just that bad, and you can't escape.

But that would be fixed by my proposed QM change.

[umbral stone]

Yea it’s completely unwarranted. People complain when they get killed quickly by a melee weapon which is literally its only job. To kill people quickly who let you get to close

[royal pier]

"Players felt like they didn't stand a chance in close range."

Uh, yeah, that's the point.

Don't go for a steal if you know the sledgehammer Heavy is still alive.

[umbral stone]

Literally it was almost the exact same thing they said when they gutted the sword. Makes no sense to me what’s the point of a melee weapon then?

[royal pier]

If the station is in a small space, there are so many tools to flush them out, detect them, move the station itself, etc.

[normal ice]

Just be a good little Light and snipe from 50 meters away while healing your Medium to full in 2 seconds

[viral crest]

Even if the melee gets in close, there are a few weapons that would kill you faster at close range

[indigo nexus]

I feel like focusing on the obvious complaint which was always going to be present alongside a nerf for a weapon like the sledge, as opposed to embark stating that it was one of the highest performing weapons across skill levels, seems quite disingenuous

[charred grotto]

2 seconds is a major overstatement, that infuser is stupid

[royal pier]

In the time it takes to winch and sledgehammer a Light, I could kill them in 5 shots from a ShAK-50.

[umbral stone]

If a melee user is able to close the distance on you they should get the kill on you 9 times out of 10. A big part of the skill with using melee weapons is using game sense to close the gap without dying first

[viral crest]

Yeah. The claw got nerfed from a free kill into being annoying at best

[charred grotto]

I agree, I feel like the issue is the gap closer (winch) itself, not the weapon being used. Why embark thought this was the right solution is absurd to me

[royal pier]

Another way to help with strong melee weapons would be to allow one gadget/weapon swap per ranked match so that you can equip something to help.

Cause I acknowledge a good Riot Shield user is a terror if you have nothing to deal with them.

[normal ice]

Yeah, the way you can't switch anything at all once you start the match is just RPS bullshit tbh. Ranked is easily the worst mode in this game

[royal pier]

But don't stealth nerf its block angle.

[indigo nexus]

It wouldn’t make sense to nerf the winch claw because one weapon which is often paired with it is doing too well.

You could argue in a more general sense that a rework could benefit the spec, but it doesn’t make sense to me that if a nerf was to be done, it should not be for the thing that was actually too powerful.

[royal pier]

Charge n Slam and Grenade Launchers stomp Riot Shield. So if they swap to counter, the Riot player can swap off.

Adds strategy without making it like WT.

[terse talon]

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[royal pier]

The winch combo would be fine on old sledge if the QM didn't cancel the swing animation instantly after connecting.

[terse talon]

Can someone please help me ???

[terse gorge]

@terse talon check dms

[charred grotto]

Winch in general is jank to begin with. It reminds me of old 2016 roadhog from overwatch, where you could get hooked from a different timeline.

Winching any light with most heavy weapons guarantees a kill (almost), but it's advantages can be outweighed by that of other specializations on anything non-melee/flamethrower. It's nearly integral to run winch on sledge, meanwhile you can get by just fine with any gun using mesh (meta).

[stone moth]

I hope there’s gonna be a surprise new weapon mid season

[viral crest]

How strong is the minigun right now? I played it for a bit. But honestly i have no idea how to use it well

[indigo nexus]

Yeah, it’s a bit jank. But improving the jank (not sure how you’d properly do this, so I’ll think of it as like being able to ignore it) while retaining its level of viability would not really do anything with regards to the sledgehammer’s balance.

[normal ice]

It doubles down on being slow and defensive. Use specializations and gadgets to force CQC like goo gun or mesh shield (maybe winch), barricades, dome shield, lockbolt

You could also use a breaching gadget like RPG if you want to ambush people from above or spleef them down onto your floor

Could also give them the chance to just run, though, if you mess up

[charred grotto]

Maybe agree to disagree but winch breaking upon breaking LOS would instantly reduce the potency of sledge's "1-shot" combos. Meanwhile, it would incentivize even better positioning and increase the skill expression required to make the combo work. The winch would still retain its utility of displacing cashouts and punishing out of position opponents. As a sledge/goo main, when I run winch and hook a light around 2 corners, I can't help but feel like I cheated a bit. Does this make sense or am I tweaking?

I guess it would be much more useful to have this discussion if we had actual numbers. There could be an extremely disproportionate amount of sledge perforamce while running winch vs. other specs, which I think reworking winch would resolve. Hard to tell though.

[normal ice]

I agree it should break without LoS in some way. It could be buffed in other ways to make up for it, possibly

[restive plover]

a nerf or deletion of the new healing gadgets is honestly necessary right now, this meta is just unfun camping garbage and the only mode not affected by it is tdm this is so sad hope they change their minds about it

[charred grotto]

Yeah. Personally, I HATE hooking someone but they get caught on a little pole or staircase railing, while at the same time it's totally possible to zip them through walls and corners. Maybe giving the opponent some sort of structure damage dealing property could be a neat work around? Anything that could be broken with a QM could be broken by their body on pull? Idk, just throwing ideas

Imagine your victim turning into a little KS-23 round

[winter jay]

The KS kinda rules rn. I’m sure it’s not meta but the 2 shot walls thing feels so nice

[red dune]

The new breach gadget feels kinda mid

[craggy onyx]

but the flash bang and how fast u get get it back makes up for it

[bronze apex]

would somebody kindly explain the whole heavy on-damaged movement speed penalty

like is it additive or capped at certain amount while being shot by more than 1 contestants at the same time

[charred grotto]

there is none

[bronze apex]

then i might b playing the Finals from a parallel universe💀

[rough marsh]

My opinion on balance rn

• Healing emitter
It should have less health, it’s a proper nerf, and it will not kill the gadget

• H+ infuser
Nerf it so it will have longer cd
Nerf amount of possible heals from 400 to 350
Reduce rpm

• Akm
Buff its magazine

• Fcar
Buff falloff multiplier at max ranges to 67% percent, just how it was before major nerf in s2

• Pike
Nerf rpm, nerfing its damage instantly kills the weapon on spot, we’ve already been through it embark, don’t kill this weapon again

• LH1
Buff it’s hip fire, so it will be more accurate

• Grapple hook
There is only buff that can make it meta, make it have 2 charges, and nerf cd time if it becomes too powerful

• breach drill
Just buff it or rework it, breach drill is literally useless, if you have demat and flash bang in your loadout, you literally have breach drill but just better

• Pyro grenade
It should deal more damage, or have 2 charges

• gas grenade
Same thing as pyro nade

• reshaper
Buff it’s cd

• Buff sledge
Nerf was too brutal in my opinion, you should buff secondary attack to 174, and it will be good imo

• riot shield
Buff speed while in defensive position

• Buff dagger
Make it so you can run while charging secondary again

• Spear
Add an option to stop secondary attack

What do yall think?

[heavy tusk]

honestly anything that nerfs the emitter right now. It feels like I have to fight a fourth person and anything that shields it (like the barricades it can heal through) weighs engagements too far in the enemy's favor with constant healing. If there's any form of secondary healing you may as well not fight. It reminds me of pre-defib nerf medbeam daisy chains.

[restive plover]

make it so you can claim emitter for your team lmao

[heavy tusk]

Not sure if i'm being too harsh, but having multiple sources of healing (especially if it's multiple emitters) is getting to be a problem

[restive plover]

there should be a 1 heal source limit, the game is so fucking shit at the moment cause of those two new gadgets, medium class was the "support" type class, not light or heavy it's insane

they lost the plot

[viral crest]

Maybe it could work like that: the more sources of healing. The less effective the healing is

[heavy tusk]

Nuke Nerf 2: This Time It's Medical

[restive plover]

nah just one source, so it forces them to either sacrifice a gadget to maybe sometimes use healing or not take it at all

the first source hitting the player is the one, the rest does nothing

like if you've played cashout you should see how insanely unfun the game is rn

and unbalanced on top of that

[heavy tusk]

One of the bigger things to me is that the emitter requires no dedicated input for decent health regen. Both the medbeam and the infuser at least require you to have different equipment active, meaning you aren't able to gun someone down. You're healing or shooting, not both

[radiant orbit]

Healing emitter already dies in like two shots from everything.

I’d leave the healing where it is, and have the same overheat mechanism as the beam. 10s (as it is now) if you stay within the ammo pool and 15s if you burn it out.

Akm and fcar yeah basically. They’re way to similar now.

Ehhhh I feel like the pike is finally fine? It could use more sights but I feel like I rarely see it being overly oppressive.

LH1, after this most recent buff? Ehhhhhhhhh.

Sure give grapple two why not.

Drill sucks yeah

I’m pro 2 pyro and gas charges.

I have a feeling a reshaper buff is imminent anyways

Something something sledge nerf bad.

Yeah sure sprint shield sounds fun.

Agreed dagger is kinda clunky now, needs some QOL fixes.

Spear should’ve been able to cancel that attack since the beginning lol.

[restive plover]

like what a shield is like, you either shield or shoot and this spec is fine, but the orb, fuck that thing, it even has too much health for what it is

[rough marsh]

Lh1
Hip fire buff? Like… yeah, you can’t hit your shot in close range combat with out aiming it, but aight

[rough marsh]

But h+ infuser really needs a nerf, it heals 2x more than heal beam, 8x faster than heal beam, oh, and yeah, heal beam is specialisation

[heavy tusk]

It may die in a few shots, but time focused on busting it (because you have to bust or throw it, there's seemingly no timer on it), is time not focused on the guy currently taking shots at you. There's also the problem of shielding/barricading the thing, which adds more layers to the stacked encounter you're already engaging in.

[radiant orbit]

Yaint gotta be mad if you’re askin’ for feedback.

Anyways its a dmr like the pike the hipfire usually blows. Why use the v9s ever if the lh1 does the same damage at a better range with the same hipfire

[deft rune]

embark if you thought healing capabilities for lights made sense, your game is already dead. every adjustment/nerf since season 3 has only favored lights, so have fun riding their wieners while your player base dies. no point in even having other classes when light has no downsides anymore

[heavy tusk]

A decent workaround is fire and glitch grenades, but I can't imagine most people want to dedicate slots to something that seems to be a go-to pick. It's like having to bring smoke every round because there's always going to be someone coating the place in fire.

[restive plover]

that's literally the reason why they released a 30$ battle pass btw, to milk the whales of what left they have

you don't suddenly make your game's monetization predatory when it was acclaimed at first for no reason

The game's dying, they can see it on their servers and arc raiders releases soon so they opened the gates

like check out that player retention on steam lmao

not the full picture but enough of a general sense of it, and with those healing changes and melee changes they made it worse

[heavy tusk]

In all honesty it should be a specialization if it doesn't get a timer or limited healing. Force the choice of healing or shielding instead of allowing heavies to guard the thing like they're secret service

[tired salmon]

Yeah it’s crazy they thought giving the tankiest build an infinite orb of healing was a good idea. It just encourages camping and blocking themselves in to the cash out, which is a big reason why they nerfed goo in the first place, to stop people from blocking off the cashout…

Plus the ultimate pass is crazy, 10 RESKINS for $20 extra dollars really makes no sense, “but ooh you get 1k mb and 25% xp wowww”

[restive plover]

dont say that the glazers that invest 1000$ dollars in the game will get angry at you

[heavy tusk]

The thing that convinced me was a group with two heavies wiping my team and some others while camping the landing of a stairwell. They blocked two emitters off, tore through me and the second, went out for the third and domed when the second team came in so they could regen

[restive plover]

also the skins are literally just shaders that could be done by a youtube tutorial on unreal engine lmao

[tired salmon]

Yeah hhm is a super annoying team comp to deal with now especially if they are running heal beam and defib, just impossible to finish some teams as a light right now

[radiant orbit]

I main heal beam, and I’ve played a day with the h+. And the uptime on the H+ isn’t nearly as high which is the important thing in the long run.

I can end games with the beam at 10-15k support score (if I’m awake lol) while keeping my entire team in the fight at angles that allow you to stay safe and keep an eye on whats going on. Especially since it can stay locked on through objects and walls for a few seconds before disengaging. I never hit close to that with the H+, I think my best was 7k which is about mid range for heal beam use.

H+ requires careful aim a direct line of sight and will likely only be able to heal one person once per charge before you have to wait for a cooldown. So is it good for bursting up a heavy or topping up your team? Yeah absolutely but it’s no replacement for the beam not even close.

This is why I said make the burnout mechanic match (with higher values) the beam. Its so easy to miss that cutoff, and having a 15 or 20 second cooldown after that burn will be rough, it’ll encourage smaller bursts with the full mag for emergencies.

Fundamentally I agree with you lol. I just say give it some skill expression and allow really top players to eek out that top performance. Easy entry high skill ceiling thats the name of the game baybee.

AND THE BALL. I can’t be as nice about this one It doesn’t even come close to out healing fire or gas and dies in two hits from most things. Ehhhhhhhhhhhh it’s a shield you can’t see.

[rough marsh]

Yeah, so far, I agree with you

[rough marsh]

Ball is just great for me at least, my survivability increased while using it, and also more matches ended in me and my teams favor

[radiant orbit]

It’s a good support tool yeah. I just think people need to learn how to play around it. You definitely can get crafty with its placement but most folks will leave it out where you can see it and it’s a physics object so you don’t even need to actually kill it.

One thing though I’d say don’t let it heal through barricades and don’t let it recharge while deployed. Other than that 🤷‍♂️

Other than continuous bizzare vindictive melee nerfs and a slightly lazy cerb nerf I think we’ve been alright balance wise this start of the season.

Definitely better than last season where arn and minigun were both just kinda bad lol.

Also also, folks need to warm up to stuff. It’s hard to tell from stats alone how things will function in practice. People around here on the reddit and on youtube were absolutely convinced when the repeater hit the preview event that it was game breaking and would need immediate sweeping nerfs. Including multiple pretty reputable long term players. Have you heard a single peep about the repeater from anyone since 6.1?

[valid garnet]

Really having fun with the grav cube that 28 second cool down is bonkers

More than floating stuff but also messing up player aim or an unexpected burst of speed that people dont expect heavys to move at

That and the distortion and unexpected speed makes some players think he disappeared (meet the fat spy)

[royal pier]

Here's a headglitch for you.

[boreal laurel]

Not that it shouldn’t be nerfed, but I find the heal emitter not too hard to counter (unless it’s users have brains 😏). Maybe it’s just because I’ve been a data reshaper main for a couple of seasons now… 🤷‍♂️ As far as nerfs go I think it would be fair either to give it a limited lifespan or to make it work like APS and heal from its own HP. Still though, balancing heal gadgets of any kind is a nightmare

[kind pumice]

This is a clear example of why melee needs to be deleted from the game.

[shadow onyx]

I've seen enough, time to remove some random other tech that does absolutely nothing except for being funny

[kind pumice]

Dagger was too strong it could break a turret.

[bitter ember]

At the same time Shak definitely needs a buff along with Mac and AK

[lofty venture]

The H+ sounds effect sounds way to similar to an SMG and not similar enough to a healing beam. As a result teammates go full evasive if you try to heal them from behind, which is one of the reasons its hard to actually heal teammates.

The H+ needs to literally use the same sound effect as the healing beam, but chopped up and repeated.

[keen sluice]

The sledgehammer nerf is a mistake

[kind pumice]

I think a good balancing decision for this game is if they removed every gadget except for frags, smokes, Pyro, and flash grenades. Remove melee and other nonsensical things such as the minigun so we can get a more streamlined experience. There should also only be terminal attack as a gamemode. This would be the best game of all time if that happened fr fr for realsies.

[novel thicket]

This man’s cooking a mastapiece

[bitter ember]

At that point we should get rid of stuff that isn't really central to the identity of this game either. Like the classes honestly don't fit the identity of this game and the cashout+vaullt mechanic superficial and we don't really need those just money off kills

[plucky pagoda]

Boys, what gadget you use for dagger?

[meager thunder]

lockbolt, rpg, dome shield

[plucky pagoda]

Bruh i want light gadget tips not heavy gadget tips 😭

[meager thunder]

oh right

me personally i run vanishing bomb gayway and glitch grenade

maybe not glitch grenade anym though probably either the new healgun or goo grenade

[plucky pagoda]

Damn alright, i was runnning invis bomb, smoke and thermal vision build

[meager thunder]

thats fine

[plucky pagoda]

For semi rat build

[meager thunder]

i dont really like vision + smoke so i havent tried it out much

[plucky pagoda]

When i kill an enemy i often camp it with smoke

Then wait the teammate comes for the revive

[meager thunder]

do you not struggle with vertical mobility without gayway

[plucky pagoda]

I rarely get vertically problem since i have dash

[meager thunder]

damn😭 i should try that

[plucky pagoda]

The only problem with smoke is the stupid long ass cd

That's pretty much my build

[lofty venture]

@crimson nimbus while I don't agree with you that they weren't ever meta, I've done you a favor and shortened your wall of text. 😉

The low usage indicates weaker players have dropped off, leaving skilled players. Those demanding nerfs often focus on personal bias rather than balance. 

The sword was designed for lunging and dashing, and the hammer needs to be powerful in melee. Why does the hammer deal the same damage as a ranged weapon? The melee DPS should be higher to compete effectively.

I’m not asking for nerfs; I just want underperforming weapons to be viable. Please fix their damage. Tired of nerfs based on personal dislike—stop responding to those demands.```

[orchid karma]

Probably the least fun meta in a while. How in the world do you guys play test and think this healing spam meta wouldn't be a problem.

It's almost as if people already disliked medium heal beam ( as a medium player ) and then you add more atrocious forms of healing .

You made this game overwatch and I'll pass till some sensibility returns.

[cinder jetty]

glitch grenade, glitch mine, glitch barrels, gas grenade, data reshaper, and a little bit of brain thinking

[orchid karma]

Wow we really think I haven't done this lmfao.

I literally switched to light to play against it

[cinder jetty]

yeah

[orchid karma]

That doesn't change the fact that it's atrocious.

[cinder jetty]

just adapt or join them

[bitter surge]

Fun fact: Shak-50 and M26 matter are the only two weapons that haven’t received any balance changes.

Correct me if I am mistaken

[solar needle]

Glitch grenade is a must gateway and H+infuser can be swapped in. Then thermal for the in is

[normal ice]

he's not wrong to complain about a giant shift in game balance where two of the three new items are almost must-haves to equip

[solar needle]

Not wrong this sustain meta is one of the reasons the heal beam for the medium(actual support class) got nerfed. Don’t know what the thought process was but seems the infuser is atleast a must have for light.

[proper bear]

It’s fair to have a little rant about major game changes ig… but the defib is a must for Mediums (in any mode except TDM), so it’s not like other classes don’t have must-haves

[normal ice]

I agree, but that's not a good thing lol. I've wanted Defib to be nerfed forever for that exact reason. There should never be a gadget that has a near 100% pick rate.

Though I'd say the current Defib is balanced better than the two new healing gadgets. All I'd want to do is increase its cooldown and/or make it return a flat 75 HP instead of half HP

They could also add another healing gadget for Medium to give Defib more competition/opportunity cost

[proper bear]

😳 Don’t touch my defib 😂

Jokes aside, I agree to an extent. I’d like to see more must-haves for each class. Then we’d get stronger specialists in each class.
And I think the Light kinda has that… So instead of being like “oh, I have to take the Infuser now”, buff something else that means we have more strong choices

[mossy ibex]

Please buff the sledgehammer's damage. If a melee weapon is weaker than firearms at close range, then it becomes completely meaningless

[restive plover]

Literally all medium ever needed, defib shouldn't ever have been nerfed.

[thin acorn]

Give Dual blades to the light class it’s wasted on the med class that has nothing to stop someone from running away. Give to the lights PLEASE!!!!

[timber sparrow]

Nah

[meager thunder]

no

[novel thicket]

no

[timber sparrow]

That would be so comically busted ngl

[thin acorn]

I was a dagger main too but apparently dagger is the most broken weapon in the game that they have to keep nerfing so if they’re gonna ruin my weapon might as well give me dual blades

So I can have fun

[timber sparrow]

They nerfed it cuz it was a melee, the devs hate melee

[thin acorn]

Clearly, they gave the best. Melee weapon in the game to the medium class.

[meager thunder]

did they now

[timber sparrow]

Dont say that too loud, they might nerf it now

[restive plover]

No lol

At least it used to not be. The others might now be so shit the ranking changed.

I guess I would have to play them to really know, but I'm not playing at all anymore.

[timber sparrow]

dual bald

[lapis prism]

any tier list dropped for LMH?

[stiff vine]

they should rework the infuser to be like tf2's crossbow

maybe shouldnt deal damage but the burst healing

i was thinking something like an instant 80 hp

[void raven]

Pleaaasee input diminishing returns on heals i.e. if two sources of healing are received, they will both be at 2/3rds of their base amounts unless the new sum is less than either of the base heals, in which case it can be a flat sum of the healing sources, and then if another source is added it becomes half of the base values of all 3 added and so forth, that way adding a heal source will ALWAYS increase the amount being healed, but the efficiency goes way down, so we don’t get this awful invulnerability meta going on

[indigo nexus]

But right now it does rely on line of sight. It can’t grab you around a wall, that’s a visual artefact of latency. If you made it victim authoritative, then people using the winch will find their winch claw randomly doesn’t register sometimes, which is no good - it’s just not fair.

The other contributing factor is that the winch claw normalises to the target’s chest, which can make it appear to go through things further, but changing that would not impact viability at all, only visuals.

And on top of all of this… this would make winch universally weaker. Not good.

[verbal vale]

Arn still needs a buff Jesus is it inconsistent.

[stiff vine]

no it does not

it has more range than an smg and more ammo so fix your shots so it is fine

[shell sonnet]

not sure if thats a good idea

tho i do admit, not getting randomly jumpscared by being shot, trying to dodge, only to realise it was healing and i wasted a teammates charge would be nice

i am a bit worried tho of big burst healing for hitting a single shot, where as the current iteration either needs tracking, or forced the teammate to stand still, leaving them open to getting shot
risk reward kinda way

burst healing would also mean youre out of the fight for less time and could just pop a teammate really quickly, which may prove troublesome

[rough turret]

Fix the sledgehammer

[verbal vale]

Nah i shouldnt be hitting all headshot getting the drop on someone and still get turned on shits bum

[indigo nexus]

Huh? One could make the case for it being the most consistent gun in the game! Low recoil, long range, high RPM, the quick reload… what more do you want?

[indigo nexus]

That’s almost impossible.

They’d have to react inhumanly fast

[terse gorge]

or he has terrible reflexes😂

[indigo nexus]

Or, I guess they could be a heavy with an M60 or something. But that’s just because light is really bad for winning flat fights against heavies

[verbal vale]

How would i terrible reflexes if im shooting first 😂

[terse gorge]

What weapon was he using

cause a lot of guns outgun the arn but its still good enough imo, cause u shouldnt win a 1v1 against a heavy with a lewis. Thats not what light is for

[terse gorge]

thats my problem with the m11, it kills too fast

[indigo nexus]

I’m fairly confident that M11 is not too powerful.

If its ttk was any slower, there’d just be no real justification to run it over the V9S

[verbal vale]

You should at least have a fighting chance some situations you have no choice but to fight i shouldn’t be signed up for a guaranteed L lmao shits ass i get the jump on people hit majority headshots and still somehow die or end up with 2 goddamn health.

[terse gorge]

I want not the damaga to be nerfed but the range and reload

I am constantly getting beamed by it on ranges where the xp shouldnt even hit that hard

[terse gorge]

light is the definition of a glass cannon🤷‍♂️

I have the arn as my main gun besides the sh1900 (very fun to swap in wt because its too completely different playstyles)
and I just keep my distance with grapple and help my team by getting them low

@mellow grotto they removed 18 because its Hitlers initials as numbers, the germans used it fairly often in their war

[mellow grotto]

I know, but isn't 18 also a common number?

Why wouldn't they remove 14?

[terse gorge]

why 14?

[mellow grotto]

Fourteen words comrade, fourteen words...

[indigo nexus]

It has awful range. I have 800 hours and have not once been “beamed” by it at any meaningful range.

Also reload… why should that be nerfed?

[indigo nexus]

That’s what your movement abilities and such are for. Light should not have a good fighting chance against heavier classes when played badly.

[terse gorge]

Dont know, dont care, guess sweden had more problems with the third reich😂

[terse gorge]

Because a 40 bullet gun shouldnt reload in 0.5 seconds

[verbal vale]

Unfortunately there are time when you have no choice but to get close. Like i said im not saying make it op but jesus fuck a fighting chance is all in asking for.

I honestly dont think an ar should have the same dmg (17) as an smg anyway already makes it poop

[terse gorge]

Because it didnt happen to you means not that it didnt happen to me mon ami

[indigo nexus]

It’s 1.85 seconds.
The V9S has a bigger mag and reloads faster :p

[terse gorge]

v9s has 20 bullets

[indigo nexus]

If this happens “constantly”, do you have any clips of it?

[indigo nexus]

800 damage. Compared to 640 for the M11

Number of bullets is a not-very-useful measure for mag capacity

[terse gorge]

I know thats no argument for u, but semi vs automatic weapon?!

[indigo nexus]

That’s pretty much the only disadvantage the weapon has compared to the M11. That most people find semi auto a bit harder to aim with

I don’t think the M11 needs to be disadvantaged further

[terse gorge]

It happened fairly often in gold to plat in ranked, and with beamed I dont mean I died from it over 100 meter but that I sometimes got lowered to half randomly from 40-50m away, sadly no clips, I‘m on vacation rn

[terse gorge]

the problem is with your theory that the pickrate of both weapons is 10/1

[indigo nexus]

You would be able to “beam” them much more effectively if you were firing back.

[indigo nexus]

It doesn’t seem so from my experience, and pick rate is not a major concern for balance.

[terse gorge]

what I mean is I get shot in the back, ofc I fire back after being left on half health lmao😂

[indigo nexus]

The M11 is a default light unlock isn’t it? So naturally there would also be a bias there for newer players

[indigo nexus]

Now that would take some seriously slow reacting

[terse gorge]

Yeah thats pretty much what I mean, I dont take it as reason for a nerf of m11, just against your argument with No nerf needed

[terse gorge]

thats my problem, m8, the m11 gets a medium down to half health in one mag on range if half not hits and that means that I‘m under fire for a second cause of the nature pf the gun being very fast firing

and dont get into numbers now, its just me, telling my experience and my opinion to you lol

[indigo nexus]

One mag takes significantly longer than a reaction to that takes. This just seems like a really weak reason to request a nerf when almost any other gun would do a lot more

[terse gorge]

not based on anything, just me yapping about lacking skill of killing people

[terse gorge]

Ok my friend, I will now search my whole clip library to find an example

[drowsy palm]

Can we get the “H+ Infuser Sight” for guns like the scar and ARN?

[cinder jetty]

Nah

[verbal vale]

The meta this season is absolute dogwater

[stiff vine]

they should buff infuser because its on lights

[shell sonnet]

@surreal canopy it would prevent the dash+flick thing, which would hopefully prevent face stabbing complaints enough to be able to rebuff the backstab angle
and if they buff it to not slow you down during it, you could catch up to anyone no matter what spec you use, making grapple/cloak more viable, so people wont just be running dash with it almost exclusively

do you really think its that bad of an idea?

[surreal canopy]

yes because you are an uneducated and don't know how the weapon works. ""Facestabs"" are not a dash thing. It's just server latency. You can get ""facestabbed"" without the light using dash.

[shell sonnet]

how would you know im uneducated if you have no idea how much dagger ive used
put your baseless assumptions aside for a minute so we can have an actual balance discussion

[surreal canopy]

if you played dagger, to any extent. You'd know disabling specs mid charge would instantly kill the weapon.

[shell sonnet]

i know its not exclusively a dash thing
happened to me plenty before

but dash is a lot faster, and with the quick flicks, it makes it much more likely to look like a face stab on the receiving end, so i think thats where most of the complaints come from

[surreal canopy]

So your point is: Servers being dogshit is noticeable on Dash so to fix the latency issue we completely gut Dagger

[shell sonnet]

maybe it would
but maybe there are ways to balance it

no specs but a quicker charge for example, so you uncloak behind someone stab him in less than half a second and run off again, or with a grapple bunny hop
all of which would be helped by the intended removal of the slow down

[rough marsh]

They should rework double barrel

[shell sonnet]

that was embarks decision

im trying to come up with solutions that avoid the specific reason embark mentioned
if they would work, how how these solutions are to be balanced are up to embark, im just trying to sow ideas

no specs is obviously a major downside, but if balanced correctly, with the right buffs, it might allow us to buff dagger in a way that doesnt cause the face stabbing problem

[surreal canopy]

your idea would immediately kill dash and grapple cause their entire playstyle is reliant on using dash and dagger in conjunction... Did you put anything other than cloak dagger into account before dropping this abomination of an idea?

You literally remove both playstyles' kill condition. I'm not sure how you didn't manage to realize just how devastating this would be

It's like if god made you run at super speed but also cut off your legs like what the fuck

[shell sonnet]

funny that you mention that because i literally said they should remove the slowdown

use dash/grapple to get into position, since the slowdown is removed you can completely keep up while you charge up more than twice as fast and stab them

[surreal canopy]

Why would the slowdown being removed make the dagger charge more than twice as fast...? I genuinely think you exclusively played dagger in bank it or quick cash at best.

[shell sonnet]

Why would the slowdown being removed make the dagger charge more than twice as fast...?
it doesnt, i mentioned those as 2 seperate points, please take more care in reading

[plush harbor]

Mf trying to nuke melee + dash

I don’t use melee but that’s just not the way to go about it

Servers are 80% of the battle with melee weapons - it’s never going to be perfectly synced between client and server

removing dash doesn’t fix that ^

[surreal canopy]

Your first point is 7 messages up. You'd think a normal English speaker would emphasize on said point when they list all their points again. I expect too much from users with the mental capacity of a kindergarten student.

To put it simply for you. Your idea is terrible, no amount of buffs would compensate for THE KILL CONDITION GETTING REMOVED. Play the fucking weapon before you start a discussion on completely killing said weapon. You'd be a great embark employee to complete the holy trifecta of gutting every single melee in the game

[shell sonnet]

sorry, i usually expect someone to actually read what i write in a conversation and not ignore it when it isn't presented on a silver platter
maybe i could've presented it better, true, but to then skip over anything after that because of initial disagreement is not right either

Your idea is terrible, no amount of buffs would compensate for THE KILL CONDITION GETTING REMOVED
i think youre just misunderstanding how its supposed to work
you dont need to be fully charged and then use movement gadgets to get behind them
you get behind them first, keep up at normal light sprint speed because the slowdown is removed, and get to charge the stab up way faster while behind them

Play the fucking weapon before you start a discussion on completely killing said weapon.
again, where does that come from, you have no idea
if youre just trying to make me look bad for no reasn, whats the point?

[surreal canopy]

Because if you ask anyone who actually plays the weapon they would instantly tell you this idea is terrible. Go ahead and propose your idea in the dagger forum, see what the fellas there tell you

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1213572237941284864

[rough marsh]

IMHO, i would make it have less damage, perhaps from 13x15 to 9x15 but buff its pellet spread, and much faster reload speed, what do yall think

[shell sonnet]

it wouldnt make dash unviable
instead of charging first, then being forced to make up for the slowdown by dashing
you get behind someone first, then keep up with 0 slowdown while charging for a way shorter time ~0.15s

its intended to be almost identical to current dash

except youre not slowed down at all before you dash, and only need to wait a split second once youre actually at their back

[unique swallow]

healing emitter is more fit for specialization

[placid slate]

Coughing up survivability specs just straight up doesn't work on light

[green trellis]

Day 1 of requesting a gamemode without SBMM

[tranquil dirge]

really the class needs a way to do damage from afar when playing melee, like a side arm pistol or something to do enough chip damage to close in for the kill. like how for heavy melee players they tend to use the rpg to get enough chip damage to make it worth charging in open areas.

[placid slate]

Heavy melee players use rpg as a finisher, not an opener

[tranquil dirge]

Fair, but this does help medium. it would pair up with riot shield players quite nicely and can help secure kills medium melee players cannot do ya know?

[haughty ferry]

Weapon idea, VSS Vintorez. This beast of a weapon would be a internally suppressed full auto sniper rifle chambering in 9x39 bullets and having a low magazine capacity of 20. The weapon would come with a variable scope attached to it allowing the user to switch between 2x and 6x. The VSS would have next to no damage falloff and very low recoil similar to the real thing. Having low recoil and low damage falloff the weapon would have a lower ttk compared to other heavy weapons and would require you too hit most of your bullets in the mag to actually kill a medium or a heavy. This weapon would preferably go onto the heavy class as his only real efficient long range option is the dual 50 Akimbo's.

[plush harbor]

yeah let’s remove skill expression from the dash and dagger combo and instead focus on the totally realistic scenario where the person you’re following doesn’t know you are following

[shell sonnet]

instead focus on the totally realistic scenario where the person you’re following doesn’t know you are following
and its any different with current dash?

[plush harbor]

Yes because with dash you can dash behind the enemy

[shell sonnet]

and thats all you do with dagger?
how often do you technically succeed at it, but it registers as a failstab because the angle got nerfed?

[plush harbor]

I don’t know I don’t torture myself to play dagger

Weapon is shit but it doesn’t need its skill expression removed

[shell sonnet]

but what would be better

keeping this 1 potentially very skilled, but now incredibly inconsistent tech in, and having the nerfs likely caused by it drag all aspects of the weapon down
or
nerf this 1 (perhaps unintended) tech, and allowing the intended playstyle of dagger to be consistent and less frustrating for both user and opponent

[normal ice]

I totally understand where you're coming from. I don't think Dagger's current design can be healthily balanced. There's almost no way to land backstabs without tricky dashing-behind tech, at which point whether or not it works is largely up to the game's bad networking.

[tranquil dirge]

I think the reason why its hard to balance melee weapons for light is because of dash at the moment. it is mainly because of how unsatisfying to fight against dash, having to yank your mouse across the table to turn 180 doesn't scream fun. don't get me wrong, light needs movement like how heavy needs health, and not all light melee players cant just play metal gear solid in order to perform well. I believe that there can be a compromise for the melee players. maybe nerfing/reworking dash but buffing melee to have double jumping like in team fortress 2, it would be more satisfying for both the player and the opponent. it would create more mindgames for light and have comprehensible tracking for the opponent for the fights. I just believe that the one size fits all design of some gadgets, specializations and weapons don't help balance this game well. it can alienate playstyles while making it impossible to encourage those playstyles without buffing others.

[shell sonnet]

i think double jump might be fine to give light as is

[tranquil dirge]

I would agree to that statement, except for the long ranged weapons like snipers, lh1, bows etc. doing that for those weapons would make it hard to counterplay

[shell sonnet]

i think if you try to aim while double jumping at range you wont hit anything
the further you are away the more a little bit of movement changes where you are looking

like, you dont see people sniping while jumping right now
why would they start double jumping

[dusk cosmos]

Does the LH1 do 150 on one shot headshot?

I literally just got domed out of a single bullet off an LH1 user for some reason as a Light

[normal ice]

It's 42 body 84 headshot

[tranquil dirge]

I mean its not about that, its about trying to secure a kill from afar for the opponent. imagine trying to land hits on a dot that moved up and down constantly and whenever you try to get close to the enemy has that movement to escape most scenarios without dash or grapple hook.

[shell sonnet]

were you 100% sure you were at full hp?

(i think) if you regen it deletes all last damage messages, so you may have been chipped before
or you took a double hit by something

the damage history is janky

[jade violet]

dash is tribe jump mate

u can also use it on the sky

[shell sonnet]

thats the thing, will they even do that?
i dont see any jump spamming right now

[dusk cosmos]

Yes
I was at full hp, waiting to make a hit with my sword m2 on a platform

Some dude jumps in and one shot me to the head

[shell sonnet]

not to dismiss your point, its a valid concern
but i dont see that happening

[shell sonnet]

then i have no idea, only thing i could think of would be taking chip damage by something else at the same time, or mistaking lh1 for the sniper

[jade violet]

guys do u think FCAR is a worse AKM still?

I really don't know what the advantages of FCAR are now

[dusk cosmos]

It's just that one guy on the dmg history, no other teams

I was well aware I'm on full hp at that time
I was going to make a hit until it happened
Also this is very recent

It happened in a split second, I'm not sure what comes before and after

[jade violet]

The accuracy and damage are not as good as the Famas, and the mag and rpm are not as good as the AKM

they should buff FCAR im sure about this

at least,make it more useful

[shell sonnet]

i mean, securing a kill specifically is already likely to fail due to recoil and their ability to just set up near cover

[jade violet]

or rework FCAR,make it become a semi auto DMR

FCAR its SCAR MK17 in real life,im sure it can be DMR

just need a long heavy barrel and ACOG

[tranquil dirge]

for me ive seen sniper lights play games super passively and play distance when confronted, they move around and reposition to pick people off with dash or grapple it would not be fair for those weapons to have that much movement for escapes.

[timber sparrow]

Its actually vice versa

[tranquil dirge]

sure you cant fully outsnipe them with automatics but you can with semi auto weapons if you are good enough.

[shell sonnet]

oh right, no ive seen those a few times before too (more than enough for my liking)
but imo double jumping doesnt change this

dont get me wrong, it would help with escapes, but it really wouldnt do that much since they already do so with grapple and dash
it might help cut corners after the fact, but most of it still lies with the currently available specs

but it might just end up feeling different than either of us thought, no way to know without testing it

[dusk cosmos]

I tend to move when I've been seen by someone
And recently I've been chased by a GL-40 medium that hates me for not dying once

In terms of being in any class, I can be an Escape Artist

[ruby vapor]

Damn was looking forward to play this weekend but the CL Kangaroos teams are driving me nuts...

[tranquil dirge]

That is the thing, you could combine the double jumping with either dash or grapple hooking. combining those items can make light way harder to kill. This can be very helpful for close range combat when you need to displace your hitbox. But for snipers it's a different story it wouldn't be fair for a long range class to play distance super easily while having tons of range. There needs to be a bit more weakness when caught out.

[shell sonnet]

im glad cl-40 is better now, but i do think its self damage factor isnt as strong as its supposed to be

like what was it, 1.7x?
that was too much, but currently just by spamming jump you already avoid a lot of self damage
if you aim 50cm away form yourself its already ~halfed

unless you directly hit a light while hes right in your face the light dies first
getting in their face isnt punishable enough for them, as they just bhop and aim slightly sideways

i would not like 1.7x damage back
rather, id like them to take full damage in a slightly bigger area

[haughty ferry]

hell no

[tardy briar]

Don’t we already have a DMR for the medium? It’s the pike

[haughty ferry]

exactly and the fcar has been the fcar for so long its a great weapon

there will be no changing of the fcar

[normal ice]

the current x1.25 is fine. They need to buff other shit before nerfing ANY weapons.

[faint steppe]

People think the AKM is better than the FCAR?

The range advantage puts the FCAR above the AKM. And recoil also feels easier to control but that's at least debatable.

[timber sparrow]

fcar is definitely the better AR rn

[dusk cosmos]

It's a good medium ranged weapon
The one that can come even close is the Pike with irons

[haughty ferry]

anyways this full reload animation on the ARN-220 has been bugging me recently if you look closely at the bolt when your character pulls it back it doesn't move which looks janky and incorrect in the reload animation I am not 100% sure what the bolt of the real life counter part of the weapon is but it would look much cleaner if it either moved slightly with the hand when you pull it or if instead of pulling it your contestant smacks it forward (smacking it forward would look really sick as well)

im aware that the bolt shouldn't be able to move backwards anymore which is why i think it would be better to have the character smack it forward

but if it could move backwards more the bolt should move a tiny bit anyways instead of moving the entire gun giving the illusion of it moving

[tardy briar]

Arn-220 is based on the AR-180 and the BRN-180. Yes, I agree the bolt should move. But only a tiny amount since the final round would lock the bolt back. There would still be wiggle room otherwise the bolt wouldn’t release.

[haughty ferry]

yeah i just want it to move a smidgen

[plain thistle]

v9s kinda fun on tdm

[tardy briar]

I rarely touch that thing but I really should try it.

[tardy briar]

Not if you have stormtrooper aim like me. 🤣

[timber sparrow]

Mood

[placid slate]

Stupid ass idea but what if we remove damage drop-off from the KS23

[indigo nexus]

It's a preference thing. Range performance vs mag capacity and a small ttk edge

[orchid karma]

LH1 feels good but still can't compete much in its range.

[remote summit]

Good morning folks! New heavy minigun player. If there are any other heavys that have played with the minigun, what did you do for aim training

[silver bay]

What are some good competitive builds with heavy and medium?

[indigo nexus]

it arguably has the longest effective range of any gun, that statement is a bit confusing

[normal prairie]

does the battlepass cl40 have custom animations/sounds?

tryna decide to buy it or not its my fav weapon

[spare quiver]

Since it vomits bullets aiming centre mass isn't very hard, it's more about your own positioning. Do not try long range poke you will get outgunned, at medium range get used to jump revving to make yourself a harder target and close the gap, and at close use walls to pop out and absolutely shred anything infront of your barrel.

If you're struggling with lights buzzing around you at close range jump rev backwards to force them to follow you and have an easier time shredding them

[mossy ibex]

Please buff the sledgehammer's damage. If a melee weapon is weaker than firearms at close range, then it becomes completely meaningless

[orchid karma]

Nobody legit is max fire rating this and hitting consistent shots beyond 40M . You gotta be so selective in tap firing to even hit beyond 50 tbh unless using acog

The screen shake on mnk is crazy

[solid crypt]

What else do you usually run

[normal ice]

@narrow musk #👂┇game-feedback message
believe it or not, the Japanese really do say "enu" instead of "en" for the letter N. check the dictionary: https://jisho.org/word/Ｎ

[narrow musk]

Interesting

[jade violet]

guys what do u think about ks in s7

its powerful enough or need more buff?

[uncut zephyr]

did sword lunge damage go back up yet

what is that suposto mean

[shut bane]

It did for a season

[uncut zephyr]

is it back

[shut bane]

Back down now I belieb

[uncut zephyr]

down or at 140 again

[shut bane]

Bit late lol

[uncut zephyr]

BRUHHH

i mean atleast its still somewhat playable

[shut bane]

Ofc, it’s still viable if you get your combos down

[uncut zephyr]

yea but all kill confirm ar gone

[shut bane]

Gotta rely a bit on light attack it’s just not as fast as before

[uncut zephyr]

not as fast means ow my face with 50 shotgun pellets in it

[plush harbor]

LOOOOOL

Just pull down bro this gun is not hard at all

s5 I was hitting people across the map on skyway and getting kills with it in ranked

it ain’t as tough as you think

[orchid karma]

I was beaming in s5 but yes it's been only 2-3 games been swapping between 93R and this

Getting back used to it

[vague chasm]

Not if you're running tracking dart xd

[uncut zephyr]

oh

I guess that works

[polar trout]

Mmmmm

93R 😋

[uncut zephyr]

that is the goofiest thing ive seen all day

[orchid karma]

Love the 93R been dunking on ppl with MNK with that 🙏🔥

[normal ice]

idk wtf this Shallot guy is talking about, the lunge damage was never touched since launch except for the recent 140->105 change
and no, he's wrong, Sword isn't viable at all. it's arguably the single worst Light weapon atm

[uncut zephyr]

i mean its fun still

[normal ice]

Sword is indeed fun, but I wish it was more useful

[uncut zephyr]

flying around is fun

i think 125 damage for sword would be good

[uncut zephyr]

also look at the video a few messages up

goofy

[normal ice]

that shit is goofy lol

[uncut zephyr]

W kill confirm

[remote summit]

Thank you!

[spare quiver]

🫡 good luck soldier

[trim sky]

I think, the new healing ball for heavy should be buffed.
For now it just feels like a regeneration cooldown disabler.

[normal ice]

no. It already provides unprecedented sustain. Infinite, multi-targeting healing on a DEPLOYABLE is incredibly strong even at just 20 HP/s. It's enough to extend many weapons' TTKs

[trim sky]

Is it, through?
From my experience it didn't extend TTKs.
But the point of infinite multi-targeting regeneration sounds kinda neat.. didn't think about that.
Still, it's just like a regeneration, nothing much.

Also i wonder how it affects lights and mediums, since i didn't notice much effects

[normal ice]

The extended TTKs are most noticeable against burst damage weapons with low firerates like the SR-84 or Pike

It stacks with natural regen, so if you're Heavy and need to heal up from 10 to 350 HP, it will cut that time down dramatically

[trim sky]

Alr, sounds good to me!

[normal ice]

🫡

[restive plover]

Not a gun guy but shouldn't the suppressors in the guns be hiding the muzzle flash? Guns like M11, ARN-220 and V9S?

[left blaze]

Hot take: I don’t think the new healing gadgets are that problematic as people are saying. Maybe a slight nerf is needed, but not some of the stuff other people are saying, like jeez
The only exception is heal stacking, that’s a bit much

[trim sky]

The H+ infuser for light is a must-have

[kindred canopy]

ARN or XP 54?

[slender bear]

The heal ball is absolutely fine right now, it's basically heal beam with less skill requirement and less healing and range.
The H+ however is definitely a problem right now because it's basically short term invincibility. I don't think it needs to get gutted, but it needs to get slowed down a bit, maybe with a delay or maybe with a plain healing nerf.

[terse gorge]

Arn as starter, xp if u can control recoil and wanna be a prick lol

[terse gorge]

I had some games, you cant heal through on a steal, most guns dont get outhealed

[uncut zephyr]

wat that

[trim sky]

New healing gadget for light

[slender bear]

Usually you can't, but I won a world tour game yesterday by healing my heavy while he stole a cashout. I bought him a whole two seconds at the end of the steal and there was no way we were winning without that.
I just sat in the corner and healbotted lol

[terse gorge]

Embark had always some problems when releasing new stuff, I guess if they think its overpowered it will get a nerf soon, if not we shall see

[left blaze]

Tbh I can see, I think reducing the healing amount and cooldown (not overboard) would be a good way to do it

[polar trout]

A lot of suppressors will still show the flash, depending on the quality of the suppressor. Will deffo reduce the flash tho. Kinda like how it mostly gets rid of sound, but not entirely

[restive plover]

Thank you. 🫡

[normal ice]

That's being rather reductive, friend. Heal Beam requires you to give up a different specialization, has a cooldown, prevents you from shooting your enemies while using it, and only heals one person at a time.

The healing ball is unparalleled poking and sustaining power. It might not do much for or against rush/dive compositions, but anything else is going to absolutely get tons of value from it.

It should NOT be infinite healing. It should expire over time or over healing dealt.

[heady rapids]

What would be really nice is a Cyronade / Ice Grenade

Creates an ice layer that can boost movement and speed while also making walls slightly translucent and break

Can also be used as a trap for enemies to prevent them from trying to flank or slip in tight spots

I think someone on Reddit was doing that with a concept art of the grenade being rectangular shaped

[restive plover]

is lewis gun easy to use ?

[polar trout]

Eh it's got worse recoil than the m60, less mag size and less dps, only good thing about it is range which it's harder to use at so honestly no, it's not easy nor good

[polar trout]

I'd honestly say make the heal ball cd start when it breaks, and just make the healgun heal less on someone doing an action, so it can't be used to give 400 extra HP to someone stealing

But aside from that I think they're both fine

[silver bay]

how do you counter duel blades

seems like they can just deflect and its gg

[restive plover]

aight every gamemode is fucking dead, powershift is unplayable due to the fuckign ball heal gadget fuck this game and the devs at this point

tdm is now the same shit as well, was untouched for 1-2 days everyone is using it and camping

it's just heavies with dual deagle, and shields camping with the fucking ball

who in QA let this pass ffs

[polar trout]

Feet, explosives, teamwork, they can't block whilst attacking

[silver bay]

i shot at this guys feet and he straight up deflected my mini gun

[polar trout]

Just use like gls or glitches or sum, idk think of a solution

[polar trout]

Then wait for him to get close enough to attack or get a friend to shoot him in the back ig

[restive plover]

the solution is to fucking nerf this shit to the ground or straight up remove them, the only people glazing those gadgets are the ones abusing them

[indigo nexus]

This is pretty much the only way to die in this situation :p

if they get close and started attacking, you win that fight easily as long as you're not missing everything

[silver bay]

yeah not really, they can deflect all the attacks, close the gap and two tap you in melee

[indigo nexus]

and unless you're the only person on your team alive you could flank them quite well, and even otherwise, your loadout should contain something that can help you win that.

[indigo nexus]

Minigun kills dual blades in melee combat much faster than the other way around.

your DPS is extremely high, theirs is quite low

[silver bay]

In a situation where you are 100% health maybe, which rarely will happen lol

[indigo nexus]

well, then they can't be expected to be 100% health either? This seems irrelevant

if there's a huge health imbalance then yeah, you're loosing the flat fight no matter what weapons either of you have...

[silver bay]

good point, just seems cheesy, i aimed at the feet of duel blades and they are deflecting, is it a 100% deflection chance

[indigo nexus]

yes, deflecting is the weapon's entire thing

you're not supposed to be able to just bypass it by where you aim, it would make the weapon go from bad to horrendous

[trim sky]

sounds like a skill issue...
Have you ever tried playing with dual deagles?
From my experience it's pretty fucking hard.
Also a good team always sticks together. There were so many situations, where im dying because there was 2 enemies instead of one. It's mandatory to be with your team

Even the healing ball and shields cannot save you from 5 enemies shooting at your direction

[normal ice]

just because Deagles are hard to use doesn't mean they're easy to play against

they have one of the highest skill floors, but it's nigh impossible to outrange or out-DPS someone who lands headshots half the time. just the same as it is with Revolver and as it was for LH1 before it got nerfed like 4 or 5 times in a row

(also heal ball dumb)

[polar trout]

They do get similar counterplay to the revolver tho, just bring a shield as they haven't the ammo to break the shield and kill you without reloading

[hardy dust]

Until you get winched

[polar trout]

Remove winch tbh

[hardy dust]

Ong

[normal ice]

shields are a decent counter as indeed they can't be headshot, but uh... only one class has shields, there are only 2 shields (a specialization and a gadget), and one of them expires by itself in a few seconds

also yeah winch

[polar trout]

Make winch have a 5 second cooldown but can't hit contestants

[hardy dust]

Winch should have never been added if embark can't balance it

[polar trout]

Maybe increase cd on cashout hit

[hardy dust]

Give it a highly telegraphed windup

[polar trout]

Make it like Bucky's where it has like 2 meters of range but can be charged

[trim sky]

Just the same hard as out-DPS someone, who is really good at shooting

I mean, if enemy is good, then it is loss for you, no matter which weapon he uses

[normal ice]

generally speaking, you're supposed to use the insult "skill issue" when someone's complaint only stems from their bad gameplay -- not when someone they're fighting is abusing the meta at their best

[trim sky]

They are meta? I saw deagles like.. 1 or 2 times from today and that's all

[normal ice]

I mean camping with the ball on top of it, too. It's true it has counterplay, but that doesn't invalidate the complaint that the ball empowers camping more than ever and it's shaken up the gameplay a lot

[normal ice]

You probably haven't seen it that much because again, the Deagles have a high skill floor. But it's definitely meta relevant

[merry imp]

The aps turret should work against the throwing daggers that's bullshit

[normal ice]

Then you'd have to argue for it working against KS and Bow, too. Seems like bit overkill. I think it's fine as is

[fringe garden]

Hello everyone
I have a question is my loadout good?
Middle
FCAR or AKM or Famas
Defibrilator
Jump cushion
Proximity sensor

[merry imp]

You don't even need to reload what are you talking about do it for bow too fk outa here light can do anything they want. But which one is KS again?

[normal ice]

use Dematerializer and consider replacing Proximity Sensor with Glitch Trap (or other area denial tools) and you're good 👍

[fringe garden]

Thanks

[normal ice]

APS only works against throwables and explosives. That's why it shoots down grenade launchers. If you arbitrarily decide to make it affect Throwing Knives, it's not going to make sense unless you extend it to ALL projectiles. KA-23 is the slug shotgun for Heavy and it's pretty bad as it is

[trim sky]

I dunno.. didn't saw specifically a campers with healing balls..

[normal ice]

i mean, that's literally what the ball incentivizes you to do lol

you have to let it sit still and you have to stay near it for you to heal you, so you camp to maximize its effect

It's most obvious in final rounds of tournaments

if you're poking each other at range to exhaust each others' gadgets or HP before making a push... well, guess what gadget has infinite uptime providing infinite HP

[trim sky]

Well, that makes sense, until someone is not gonna flank enemy

[spark igloo]

it doesnt deflect all of them allegedly

[spark igloo]

swap prox for goo or zip

[merry imp]

It's in the name bro. THROWING knifes

[normal ice]

I meant throwable gadgets like grenades and mines

even if APS worked against TKs for some arbitrary reason, it wouldn't be good

it'd block 5 knives. that's like 2 seconds

gotta be brutally honest, if you want APS to counter TKs as to nerf TKs, then you might be suffering a skill issue 'cause TKs have NEVER been meta

they can be a little hard to fight when used well, but not nearly to the same extent as actual guns

or as Bow, for that matter. even Bow is better

[trim sky]

How do you counter them as heavy or medium in 1v1?
Cause i don't have enough speed or agility to move and evade knifes as them

As light, thro, they are easy outgunned by v9s 😄

[normal ice]

The knives are too fast to react to. You shouldn't try to dodge them mid-flight, but you always have the ability to juke the user's aim by moving erratically and unpredictably, especially between volleys of knives.

It mostly comes down to just out-TTKing them. Shoot them in the face before they shoot knife you too much

[spark igloo]

move a lot

or be with your team

[normal ice]

Medium and Heavy always have area control tools, too

[trim sky]

Didn't work out for me(
Usually we both are full HP and guys just knifing my ass faster, than i can kill them

[trim sky]

The situation is 1 vs 1 specifically

[normal ice]

You can also try to outrange them. Highground is especially difficult for projectile weapons to deal with

[trim sky]

Well.. no normal light would stay Downground and in long range with knifes

[normal ice]

It depends on the situation, but that's why you camp highground against them when you can

It will take them time to reach highground and you will have the advantage of seeing them before they see you, usually

It also allows you to set up tools like mines and healing and shi

[spark igloo]

move unpredictably, its a projectile so u have to track ahead of whoever you're fighting

crouch spam and jump if u have to

[trim sky]

Dunno, how are you gonna move unpredictably in heavy or medium, when light is standing in point blank range and saying "random bullshit go!"

Also, jumping, usually, is straight up death to me against them

[spark igloo]

maybe not jumping on m/h actually

I usually reserve that for L

for heavy tho u can ttk race pretty easily, u kill much faster than they do especially in cqc

tk is really annoying to fight sometimes but also very punishing to fuck up so ideally just do your best to make them screw up and kill them as quick as possible

[trim sky]

Oh, well. I suppose it depends on learning the game and training in shooting

[shell sonnet]

any idea what happened here?

trying to run away and suddenly the medium leaps towards me like a fnaf jumpscare
am i just underestimating backwards walking vs sprint junge or was there something goin on?

[merry imp]

Heavy is a free kill if you have throwing knifes and dash

[normal ice]

the barrel you threw at them gave them a boost. They landed on it. Yes, it's incredibly stupid as hell. Similar happened to me with a fire barrel just last night

[merry imp]

I don't have a problem really fighting throwing knifes but they don't have to reload and they are kinda brainwashed how you can just dash into people it's not that hard at all

[shell sonnet]

i take it the rotation gave them increased velocity?

[normal ice]

I have no idea why it boosts them forward. Sometimes it pushes them away. All I can tell you is it definitely had something to do with the barrel. It's jank af and I wish they'd change it

[shell sonnet]

you dont happen to have a video, do you?

[normal ice]

It's happened to me or to people I was throwing barrels at a few times since launch. I've seen it with red and green barrels. I think I took a clip of the fire barrel. I'll look later

[shell sonnet]

would be nice if you could hit me up with that if possible, it would be interesting to get to the bottom of this

i kinda wanna mess around with canisters now

does anyone see a difference between throw 2 and the others?
i wanna find out what makes them not pop sometimes

[normal ice]

honestly no idea, that's another thing that pisses me off about them lol

I've quite honestly hated the carriable physics since day 1. I like the carriables on paper, but they're done so wrong

Why can't it just nice and simply explode on first impact with any terrain?

[high timber]

Revolver is currently medium's best weapon, prove me wrong

[shell sonnet]

i mean, maybe its supposed to be that way but we got bhop esq shinanigens?

[high timber]

Literally so underappreciated, it has insane damage output for body shots

You can kill heavies instantly with 2 headshots and a body

It has faster reload than model and repeater, and better mid/close range than both

You shoot insanely fast for the damage output

One headshot practically deletes lights

[normal ice]

Its only weakness is doing less damage than Pike or Repeater when you're, like, 40 damn meters away

[trim sky]

I found out the dual blades somehow can push you into the enemy

Like, literally you can jump straight into them

[high timber]

I swear to God if revolver was meta people would be crying for nerfs

[normal ice]

In a technical sense, it is meta-relevant. It just doesn't get much use because it has a higher skill floor

[high timber]

Literally the only thing why it isn't meta

Otherwise it destroys all of mediums options on paper

And not to mention, it fucking melts shields

[trim sky]

The deagles is meta and they have a high skill floor

[high timber]

That is cap

[normal ice]

You're probably talking about the lunge mechanic. All melee weapons give you a little push forward if you left click while directly aiming at a nearby enemy

[high timber]

Deagles are insanely easy to use, it's so spammy and forgiving

[trim sky]

Oh, yes!

[high timber]

Not saying deagles don't require skill but they're more approachable than being patient with revolver shots

[pallid kindle]

it takes more than most of heavy's other weapons for long range

[normal ice]

It only works on the ground and it's not as dramatic as in that vid lol

[pallid kindle]

I have sledge in main and deagles in off for poke

[high timber]

I mean yeah 1000%

but close range, it's easy damage carry

[trim sky]

how do you see through that muzzle flash in revolvers?

[high timber]

I honestly don't really notice it. Also the visual recoil really fakes your accuracy. You don't have to adjust your cross hair after shooting

It shoots straight every shot

[trim sky]

ugh...

[high timber]

I will say, using it with a gun sight messes me up

Do you use irons?

[trim sky]

I can't see through shooting animation.. i use irons

Like. It's really hard to see through smoke from the gun and the gun itself

[high timber]

That's fair

[trim sky]

So i can't land my shots at all

[high timber]

Try the sights if they work better for you

[trim sky]

I wonder if i can land shots with skin with shorter barrel

[high timber]

That skin fucks

[trim sky]

Which one and why?

[high timber]

I can't remember the name but it's a snubby police rev skin. I just think it looks cool

[trim sky]

Oh. Sorry, i read it "That skin sucks" :d my bad

[high timber]

Oh np

[trim sky]

Aaaand there goes my second problem: hard to see the sight, when it and enemy are both red

[steep sphinx]

APS turret worth keeping in medium build or replace?

[iron zenith]

Zweihander/montante skin for spear and claymore skin for sledgehammer. Please that would be so sick

[tepid warren]

Thoughts on the model rn

[tepid warren]

not worth keeping, jumpad, and defibs are necessary then add goo or gas mine depending on team comp

[trim sky]

Alright. So, basically. Right now i just met a light with knifes in close quaters.
He shoots a knifes at me, dashes and then shoots another and kills me.
What i have supposed to do in that situation?

[sinful dagger]

Shoot him

[trim sky]

The moment i drag my sight onto him he shoots knifes and kills me

[sinful dagger]

You'll just have to get better aim, or try to pick fights from longer range

[trim sky]

Bro. I runned to my team and met light right at the corner(

I dont really know how to evade knifes and aim with revolver...

[hard pewter]

@rough marsh Just to inform. 80% of Medium and Heavy weapon got a faster or the same TTK than the SH1900. Complain about it if you want. It's stats. It's fact.
That's why I don't mention this weapons.

[steep sphinx]

I mean I had gas mines for a bit but then just using the gas barrels in the arena felt logical

[turbid pecan]

gl is just too powerful :/

[rough marsh]

On paper that might seem so, but in reality, a small and fast bitch will weapon of total abomination who are competent enough to use invis or dash to take advantage of the opponents

And what about infuser?

[hard pewter]

In reality. You got 150HP and need to be in CQC to take your shot. Try once

[rough marsh]

As I said, competent user of double barrel are capable of doing so

[hard pewter]

and competent user so can kill a Light without and problem without getting in trouble. The end.

BB

[radiant shuttle]

yo guys, is this a good light loadout: Grappling hook or Dash, xp54, pyro grenade, gravity vortex and goo grenade I also have arn220, gateway, nullifier and breach charge in reserve.

[rough marsh]

Uhh, do you mean good loadout in terms of casual or meta?

[radiant shuttle]

idk just good for this season so meta ig, Im fairly new and wanted to see if this is any good

[rough marsh]

Alright, alright, I’ll explain everything
Grapple hook isn’t bad, but it’s the worst one among every other light specialisation
Pyro grenade is just mid, there are better options
Goo is awesome, you can use it in some loadouts
Gravity vortex is quite good, requires good placements tho…

[brittle yoke]

u should learn gateway make that a prime loadout spot its so good

[polar trout]

Wait halfswording a greatsword would be peak

[radiant shuttle]

yeah I see people online use it often but I just suck at it lol

[radiant shuttle]

what should I switch pryo for?

[iron zenith]

yeah and how ur supposed to use the zweihander makes so much sense for the right click of the spear

[brittle yoke]

its true it took me a bit to learn when to use it, start just gatewaying cashboxes imo

[radiant shuttle]

okay, I'll try that, thanks

[rough marsh]

Look, it’s pointless if we just compare it with competent that, competent this. My point is, if you know a great playstyle with sh1900 then you will melt everyone in fair 1v1’s against repeater and pike mediums

[rough marsh]

Glitch, one of the best gadgets in the game
Also, you can switch vortex to gateway, or switch goo to vortex

[polar trout]

Yep

[radiant shuttle]

oh ok, glitch was the one that disables all gadgets no?

[rough marsh]

Yes, it also disables specialisation

[verbal vale]

They need to remove the healing bs from the other classes this meta is so fuckin dogwater triple heavy every single game

[radiant shuttle]

so the better loadout would be something like: Dash, xp54, glitch, gateway, goo grenade and reserver arn220, gravity vortex, nullifier and breach charge + something else which idk what

[brittle yoke]

get that data reshaper goin bbg

[rough marsh]

Personally, in reserve, I have thermal vision, goo grenade, sonar and matter, sometimes I switch goo grenades with 93r

[faint steppe]

Who would have thought lol. I genuinely don't know how these two even made it in the game. Embarks approach of designing a shooter around high ttk with strict damage breakpoints is simply incompatible with a healing meta. But somehow Embark doesn't understand that

[rough marsh]

Btw, why you’re not mentioning op light gadgets??

[radiant shuttle]

nice, what does sonar do though?

[verbal vale]

I dont wanna admit it but its goin downhill. This is not it by any means.

[rough marsh]

Honestly, reserve is personal preferences, so you should try every gadget and weapon and make your own reserve and opinion, that’s what you should do imo. Sonars scan terrain, and can detect enemies if there is any, it fires 3 pulses which are detecting opponents

[radiant shuttle]

oh ok, I never understood it, thanks, Ill try the loadout

[faint steppe]

As soon as they released the healing canister it was quite obvious that they experimented with more healing. Sadly their ideas didn't stop there

[faint steppe]

Sonars are extremely strong especially because Light's biggest weakness is being caught off guard. It basically prevents flanks when used correctly

[verbal vale]

Okay bet they wanna add all this healing then add something that allows me to stop external heals for a period of time.

[faint steppe]

In a perfect world both gadgets wouldn't exist but I doubt we'll get reworks. Honestly, only healing beam should heal when taking damage. The other two should only speed up regen by providing minimal healing when out of combat comparable to the canister

[verbal vale]

Facts

[tepid warren]

Gas mines should only be used with c4 or breach charges as it allows you to stall from far away

[hallow leaf]

If only medium had breach charges or c4

[placid slate]

Pryor mines would probably work better unless you're on the ground floor

[feral cipher]

What’s a good loadout for the repeater? I run Defib, Demat, Frag and Jump pad

Should I switch frag for something else? Is frag good?

[hoary coral]

What you prefer is what works good with the repeater im guessing

[faint steppe]

Probably goo grenade. Repeater has a rather high ttk and benefits from breaking line of sight. Goo also helps you create on-demand cover to peek around

[faint steppe]

And frag is meh but arguably a bit better than last season in the handholding healing meta

[feral cipher]

I’ll try thx

[feral cipher]

Omg a wild femboy

[hoary coral]

Hiiii:D
lmao that’s everyone’s reaction to my name lol!

[feral cipher]

That’s crazy lol, are you fr a femboy or ur jk lol

[hoary coral]

Im fr a femboy :3
no jokes

[trim sky]

Is defib in tdm relevant?

[hoary coral]

Nope, not at all (I think)

[hoary coral]

Why asking btw?

[trim sky]

Oh, glad to hear that

[hoary coral]

Why are you glad about that lol??

[trim sky]

I want to tell you, but rule 2 keeps my mouth shut)

[hoary coral]

Ah lmao!! Ok boss 👍

[restive plover]

[novel glen]

Stop making melee shitty.

[hoary coral]

Fr

[tribal lantern]

Yer.

[feral cipher]

Cuz I hate femboys, nah jk im just curious, i didn’t know they were a real thing

[hoary coral]

Oki👍

[feral cipher]

I’ve never met a single real femboy ever in my entire life

Your probably the first one I’ve ever talked to, they are so rare frfr

[hoary coral]

I mean, femboy are somewhat rare

[hoary coral]

Damn lol

How can you hate femboys if you have never talked to 1?
lol?

[feral cipher]

wtf are we talking about in the finals discord server

[hoary coral]

Lmao! Good question lol

[feral cipher]

I said “nah jk”

Look what I found today on the road

[hoary coral]

Oh oki, I can read I swear, trust

[hoary coral]

That’s sad:c

[feral cipher]

Yeah, a car ran over it I think

[hoary coral]

Aww:c poor squirrel:c

[feral cipher]

Why does the pike feel like a projectile weapon? And the sight is so so hard to use, istg I aim perfectly and still miss all my shots after like 30 meters

[hoary coral]

Idk🤷‍♂️ I don’t use the weapon

[safe mango]

Guys do you think there is a meta for light build right now

[winter jay]

appaerntly theres a bunch of no reg bugs rn at far ranges so its either that or ur just whiffing

[feral cipher]

Glitch grenade, Dash, Gateway, Sonar or Heal gun. Sh1900, xp54 or ARN220 im pretty sure

[feral cipher]

It’s probably my skill issue and bad aim, but I never get it when using the repeater or revolver,

[safe mango]

thx

[winter jay]

matters also good

[feral cipher]

I’m not entire sure too, I usually run sonar, heal gun, gateway and then dash and ARN. But I main medium

[winter jay]

glitch gateway healgun are top 3 and you can run goo as well

[feral cipher]

Matter is harder to use then Sh1900 and isn’t as good because sh1900 can kill before they can out heal it. With matter maybe they can get away

[feral cipher]

Isn’t sonar also meta?

[winter jay]

i think in 3v3s

[winter jay]

matters more consistent, but i think DB has higher highs

[feral cipher]

Oh rly? But it’s harder to aim no? It does have a higher mag and range tho so yeah

[winter jay]

only because you can play further out. db has the enemy as like 50% of ur screen space

i didnt see the db at all in the most recent tourny but saw like 2-3 matter players

[feral cipher]

I havnt used db or shotguns much. Only shotgun I rly used was Cerberus last season

[winter jay]

db dash is some of the most fun ive had in this game

def worth trying

[white shoal]

Do y’all think this sledge nerf quite literally killed it

[feral cipher]

No

[white shoal]

I’m quite certain it did I’m ngl

Like in a competitive standpoint

[feral cipher]

Did the TTK even change?

[winter jay]

prolly yea

[white shoal]

Yeah drastically now

[winter jay]

they hit one slide away from you and you just have to back off

[feral cipher]

I’ve read somewhere which said it didn’t change much lol. I havnt ever played with sledge, not even once in my entire life. Only in the event

[winter jay]

it changed all the qm combos, not the swings themselves

[white shoal]

I mean I have 1k hours with sledge and think so

[feral cipher]

Oh ok

[white shoal]

Yeah qm combos don’t exist anymore

[feral cipher]

Sad thing is they added such a cool sledge skin and nerfed it

[white shoal]

Pretty much every melee weapon is dogshit

[winter jay]

they added like 6 sledges skins

[feral cipher]

I’ve seen some goated shield player this season in world tour

[winter jay]

i despise riot and dual blades, the lunge does jackshit to help catchup. ill prob give dagger and sword some more time though

[white shoal]

Dagger is the only viable option imo same with riot

I just don’t see the reason why sledge needed a light attack nerf it’s literally people who are butt hurt after getting too close

[feral cipher]

One thing I don’t understand is how shield players catch up to me when I’m using light and running straight the opposite direction as them

[winter jay]

i dont understand that either because i cant even catch mediums when i do this

[feral cipher]

Yeah lol, it’s weird, today I was using ARN and dash but a shield caught up to me, I didn’t even look back and just sprinted away

Ooooh they might have used a zip line or jump pad

[tiny drift]

Are there any melee weapons to play with now

[normal ice]

Not if you want to win consistently

[gloomy spruce]

Hey guys, I have a rather specific question. When I throw a Smoke Grenade, I feel like it's kinda transparent... But is it the same for the enemy players? It's either that the smoke grenade really doesn't do much smoke, or that me and my allies have some sort of protection against our own smoke.

[shadow onyx]

where the player looks like they are and what they're actually doing is really busted for melee. Like you can clearly see the guy's baton not hit you but it will count as a hit or a hammer will swing in the complete opposite direction and still hit you

[shadow onyx]

graphics settings. I'm on low so I don't engage through smoke because it's completely opaque for me but I know that's not the case for enemies. I wish they would just make it like cs2 smoke and be completely opaque instead of some people being to see through it while others can't based on graphics settings. It's also why the dust from collapsing buildings is really annoying

[glass bramble]

Hi Riot Shield gamers, I am looking for a good loadout

[gloomy spruce]

Huh, I'm on ps4 pro, so I guess it would technically be high graphics? Either way, if graphics really do affect that, I gotta agree with you that this actually really dumb

[tiny drift]

Will Ed put the sledgehammer back?🥺

[shadow onyx]

Yeah I feel like it would be a win win since it would look better and work more reliably.

[normal ice]

Dematerializer, jump pad, and goo grenade are musts. Final slot is up for debate. Defib/flash bang/zip line/glitch traps are all valid choices

[azure mango]

Which sight is most recommended for the xp54?

[dusky field]

Demat, Data Reshaper, Zipline or Jumpad and goo nade

You could probably switch out Reshaper for defib but im not a defib user so idk

[upbeat oxide]

wsg yall

ooh this is making more sense now

fr

[boreal laurel]

Can’t say it’s “good” 😄 but I will say it’s fun—my main is demat, jump pad, motion sensor, and data reshaper. Though I have been considering swapping goo grenade instead of the sensor

[golden oak]

whats the meta light gun this season?

[frail gorge]

yall im a new player trying to figure out what fits for me in terms of build and loadout options, so far i'm on heavy and am feeling out close-mid range frontline (preferably close), what weapons should i look at and what gadgets should i look at?

(right now i think im looking at the SA12 with M60 and flamethrower in the pocket as needed, but im strugglin between specs too. charge vs winch vs mesh)

[plush harbor]

shak50 with winch/charge, barricade to hide behind, rpg to dish out damage, heal ball

good for close range without being useless mid range + teamplay with ball n barricade

[plush harbor]

sa12 is great for cqc but it’s high skill high reward weapon
m60 is good but not necessarily the best close quarters gun
flamethrower kinda ass if you don’t have really good game sense and positioning

[frail gorge]

tbh my main motivation for flamethrower is the ballistic shield medium has and other sorts of close range nightmares

[frail gorge]

why barricade over, say, dome

[plush harbor]

synergy with ball (you stand on the ball and heal while also getting a perfect headglitch)

Dome is alright but i find its not that tanky

You can pick either or though it’s up to you and your playstyle

[frail gorge]

honestly i might try the shift to barricade because i feel like it's a better reactive tool

you can't really reactively throw a dome, you kinda have to plan out a little

and i am very reactive, i think

still trying to figure out what i want my main to be

too vr impoverished to bounce around...

[plush harbor]

I found light to be the most fun for me

[plush harbor]

When did you start this game if i may ask

[frail gorge]

see i started out with light because i consider myself to be more of a movement player but it just felt underwhelming and i feel like most of the movement tools are for either hit and run or high ground sniping (which, neither appeal to me)

[frail gorge]

tail end of last season

[plush harbor]

Gotcha - yeah the vr system for pretty much the entire games lifespan except this season has been fucking awful for new players

[void raven]

GOOOOOO GUN

[plush harbor]

I didn’t like heavy cause of the lack of movement
I didn’t like medium because it felt cheesy and easy to play
I liked light because of the movement and the assassin like playstyle

[frail gorge]

look im very simple, i just like to Go In and Not Die

[void raven]

Join the goo hammer club

[frail gorge]

respectfully no just because although i enjoy using goo nades, i don't see myself wanting to commit to goo gun defensives

also i just... dont want to use a melee weapon on a sluggish class

[void raven]

It’s not sluggish if you’ve got the goovement 😏

[normal ice]

@shell sonnet I didn't clip it actually, sorry :/ But I threw a fire barrel torwards a Heavy that was about 7m away from me, and because he jumped at the same time, he clipped on it and flew like 10m further away in under half a second

It was pretty bad because it let him escape faster

[normal ice]

Hammer is dogshit right now, you're right to not try it. You can use ShAK, Minigun, or maybe Flamethrower if you want close-range DPS but with more range. Deagles are all-around the best for Heavy if you can practice headshots

[frail gorge]

but yeah as it stands i don't know what do 😔 i realize i must reign in my desire to go berserker mode because i have died and will continue to die by doing so, so instead im just trying to think about how to be a close quarters tanky menace

[plush harbor]

you can’t go in and win every gunfight in this game unfortunately

[frail gorge]

i would like to clarify that i PERSONALLY do not care about the meta as it is more about how the thing feels for me

[plush harbor]

there is a limit to the apeing that can happen

[frail gorge]

yup... aint that how it is
that said though i am getting a bit of a handle here seeing responses. i do want to know what changes playstyle wise if i use charge or winch

i feel like each spec in a class changes your game plan big time

[royal pier]

Jump pad should have a priming time before it works.

You should not be able to instantly use a pad, demat a wall open, then instantly close it before the other player can follow.

It would also give players more reason to use Zip.

[plush harbor]

No

[void raven]

If heavies jump pad into a roof they should just smash through. All that meat makes for great momentum

[royal pier]

Counterpoint: Yes.

[smoky jackal]

M actually having less movement than light? we cant have that now

[oblique crypt]

Goo

[frail comet]

Gas mine be like in S7

[oblique crypt]

Sledge honestly ain't bad still.

Definitely worse don't get me wrong but I've been doing decent with it.

[frail comet]

Did embark buffed the gas mine?

[void raven]

Yeah I got like 23 kills the other day with it. It definitely hurts more to use it though

[bitter surge]

Why don’t we see a lot of Lewis Gun ? Do you think it needs changes ?

[restive plover]

yeah we need a lewis buff (i main lewis)

[chrome sandal]

when will pike get other scope options?

[cinder jetty]

never

[shell sonnet]

Thanks for checking

[bitter surge]

Hahaa

[lavish swallow]

I don't get why sword is still nerfed after almost a whole season. I actually don't even get why it got nerfed at all. Melee has so many counters its actually ridiculous. All it takes is one flamethrower heavy to press m1 for less than half a second and you just lose the fight. Glitch mines make playing sword a nightmare, and mediums run that all the time. And lights are just always a sword counter, because they can dash/grapple away and kite you until the end of time. Except they only rly need half a second to kill you.
So all this, and for some reason... they decide that sword, despite already being worse than running any gun on light, needs to be gutted beyond belief.
It is completely illogical. Double barrel and matter already did the same job better, faster, and 10x easier. And with far less hard counters.
Why on earth should I have to spend 10 seconds trying to kill one heavy, that is just going to m1 with flamethrower for half a second, winch me, then m1 again for the easiest kill of his life?
Why should the melee weapon have a far slower ttk than any other light weapon, when you are forced to approach to get kills?
And why in the actual fuck is sword has sword not been reverted, when phantoms are patched, and this season even added healing?
It is completely unfair and makes no sense.

When they said they were going to patch phantoms, I kind of just accepted it. It was a pretty solid way to kill heavies fast, one of the only ways to kill them quickly with sword. But it wasn't consistent per round, and was also kinda lame to be on the receiving end of. So I thought 'Well, surely they will revert sword damage after its fixed. Surely they know that while sword is a pubstomping weapon, it has many counters and against a competent player, it is simply good, not overpowered.
Surely they know that, Right?' Wrong. Damage gutted. All break points for killing people at a decent speed removed.
You can still kill people, but you may as well be tying an anchor to yourself. Its just horrible.
Despite ALL OF THIS, people in this community still have the fucking audacity to ask for even more sword nerfs. Or say that it was deserved in any way. Actual lobotomy patients.
It would have been far more fair to simply reduce the cleave damage per person hit. That would have made it less of a threat to grouped players, while still allowing sword to actually kill people.
I don't even know why im writing at this point. I guess I just want my weapon back. This sucks.

[tiny drift]

Now there are no melee weapons that can be on the stage.

[hoary coral]

Well you can use all the melee weapons, it’s just that they a lot harder to use against people with guns and the brain to battle against a melee user
And now when sledge was nerfed its harder to use, but its not impossible

[steep prawn]

we crying over the sledge hammer nerf, same boat brother

[tiny drift]

Now it's changed to that you have to get hit a few times before you can kill, and if you're killed by the other side, it's too frustrating.🥲

Now the weapons are too focused on competitiveness, lacking entertainment. If I don’t have a pass, I might play for an hour a day and then stop.

[hoary coral]

Sadness :c

[hoary coral]

I only play for 1 hour then stop just in general, but sometimes I play for longer
But I see your point as well, I want the sledge back to where it was more fun

[steep prawn]

flipping preach

[tiny drift]

😮‍💨

[steep prawn]

honestly, i love the finals but i only play sledge so seeing this change, it genuinely makes me sad. might have to wait till sledge comes back off the floor

[hoary coral]

Good thing I didn’t main sledge, sounds like ever sledge main is in hell right now

[stiff vine]

trying to spread this around-
spear Mouse 2 attack idea:
spear M2 be a holdable attack where you can choose how long you spin.

if you single press it the spear swing will only do 1 spin and it will be slightly slower than the current spin

if you hold though you will go past the first spin and the following spin attacks will be faster. maybe 2 spins a second would be balanced because its only slightly stronger in terms of dps than the AKM. (AKM deals 200 dps and this would deal 210 dps)

and you will be able to stop the spin an any time though you will need to finish your current spin's animation

this might make spear a bit more viable because currently both the M1 combo and the M2 are kind of trash

[tiny drift]

Yes, this is a very confusing change.

[placid slate]

Currently the first 2 spins occur every 0.6 seconds, with the third taking 1.3 seconds to finish

[stiff vine]

so make it 1.3 for the first spin and then 0.5 for every following spin and you can hold for however long you want and also only do the first spin

[placid slate]

Flipping the damage around doesn't seem like that great of an idea, especially since spin betting isn't very enjoyable for both sides

[stiff vine]

currently spin has less dps than ranged weapons so why not make it better and more versatile?

in a 1v1 vs a medium you will lose 100% of the time if both hit all shots

unless i miscalculated and the heavy will survive on 10 which doesnt really count as survival

[placid slate]

Only has less dps because of the third attack, remove that and it'll be fine.

[stiff vine]

im pretty sure that attacks every 0.6 seconds is still less dps than akm

akm has 200 dps

im using akm because its a common and standard for weapons

[placid slate]

Akm kills a heavy in 1.7 seconds. 2 spins and a quick melee can be accomplished in 1.3 seconds

That's obviously not included any primary fire combos since it would kill mediums more efficiently than pure spin

[stiff vine]

i dont understand you math where did you get 1.3 seconds?

[plush harbor]

Gpt math is insane

[stiff vine]

it seems to be correct

its simple math so it cant really mess up

[placid slate]

0.6 times 2 is 1.2, plus quick melee which activates nearly instantly

[plush harbor]

It can

[stiff vine]

is it wrong right now right there?

[stiff vine]

this is why i said that the first spin attack in the combo should be slightly longer and that aside you have no range with spear so its easily countered by walking away

[placid slate]

So you want the spin ttk to be slower than currently?

Because as for as I know 1.8 seconds is more than 1.2 seconds

[stiff vine]

what im trying to introduce into the spear is the ability to not lock yourself for 2+ seconds into a spin attack

you can use 1 or 2 spins then do something else

[placid slate]

Then you don't need to change any of the values

[stiff vine]

but then the lights will complain that it kills them

[placid slate]

They would be complaining already by now if they wanted to

[stiff vine]

sure its their fault for walking into spear range but the devs will nerf it because lights are "weak"

[stiff vine]

now they can dash out and you're stuck for another 1.8 seconds swinging a spear at 75% of heavy's walk speed

[placid slate]

I mean they are very vulnerable to the spin because of the breakpoints on it already, plus spin cancel already exists so we know right now how it would play out, and it's fine currently

[stiff vine]

does it, thought they patched it

[placid slate]

Nah they only patched gadget cancel

[stiff vine]

how else do you cancel

[placid slate]

Wasn't mentioned in the notes so it probably wasn't targeted by them

[placid slate]

Open your comms/emote wheel

That's it, no convoluted steps

[stiff vine]

im sure that will be patched aswell as soon as they find out it exists

[placid slate]

They know it exists, one of the devs said that like in season 3 or 4, they know what would happen if they did, and they won't

[stiff vine]

the cancel doesnt work you are still stuck walking slowly and cant attack

[placid slate]

It does work, you can use specs, gadgets, slide, etc

Quick melee too

[stiff vine]

you cant use spear tho

[placid slate]

Yea, because the only real time you need to get out of spin is to protect yourself because they got out of range, or finish them off with an rpg

Or to get out of spin when you do a winch fling

[stiff vine]

still i would rather you be able to stop whenever you need and get into a fight rather than use this convoluted method that barely anyone knows and uses

do you not want a spear buff allowing you to cancel more easily and being able to use spear attacks?

[placid slate]

It would be ideal yea, just point it out that you only need to add the cancel, not make the dps worse

[placid slate]

Also literally any spear main about level 3 knows how to spin cancel

[stiff vine]

glad to know only you know how to spin cancel

[fringe garden]

Wich is better?
Famas
AKM
FCAR

And wich specialization is the best for Middle

[placid slate]

Famas

[slow merlin]

How's the drill feeling?

[south bay]

This game gives me so much adrenaline

[heady thunder]

Tbh I like fcar the most but they're all solid. as far specialization goes now that both H and L have a form of heal there's no point in not running demat specially in games where there ain't many other Ms to counter u

[slow merlin]

How is the new light healing?

Or the heavy orb?

[shell sonnet]

i havent been annoyed at them yet, but need more experience over the coming weeks to be sure
a few people are asking for nerfs, might be justified but may be a bit of first impressions fog

havent used the ball but i see the potential
playing support light is hella fun and can be quite strong when you allow eg. a heavy to instantly regen after a fight and let them take on another
support/assist master playsytle

[thin acorn]

Truthful and respectful the biggest weapon that needs to be buff is the V9S screw any other weapon BUFF THE FRICKING V9S I miss the old fire rate that’s what made the V9S unique

[frail comet]

I call this gas mine... "fart master"

[hexed harness]

can you add 18 at the end of the name

[lethal marsh]

We're do i go to submit concept art for a gadget skin?

[cinder jetty]

#1075060148004991067

[lethal marsh]

I can't post anything in there for some reason

[placid slate]

Apparently the healing emitter has a random chance to straight up not exist when you place it down

[heady thunder]

They buffed it bro look at patch notes

[trim sky]

Is there any specific shooting mechanic with revolver that i should know?
Because when the dot of my crosshair is on enemy and i shoot - i didn't hit him, somehow

[thin acorn]

What patch notes you looking at my boi I think you got confused cuz it said VRS

[thin acorn]

Where is the V9S buff it’s been change in the middle of season 4 now it’s season 7 and still not buff bring back the old fire rate, remove the scroll wheel input that the keyboard and mouse players were using and if you want to can bring the damage down to 39

[shadow dagger]

Akm and fcar, I don't like burst fire

[radiant orbit]

Famas, I like burst fire

[shadow dagger]

YOU BASTARD

[radiant orbit]

[haughty lagoon]

how is the barricade ruby???

[plush harbor]

they added it

[oblique crypt]

I'm trying to beat the practice range challenge with only gadgets, any recommendations? So far I've found the healing emitter makes a good bludgeoning weapon.

[haughty lagoon]

what do you mean they added it?

[plush harbor]

They gave out Ruby barricade to season 6 rubies

[plucky hull]

EMBARK!!

GIVE ME A VIRTUAL EXTENSION SKIN FOR THE FCAR MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE REAL LIFE WEAPON IT'S BASED OFF ON (The FN SCAR-H) AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!!

I NEED THAT BEIGE TONE!!

How do we feel about the real life skins anyway?

[wind folio]

boring kinda

[plucky hull]

That's fair. Some of them look clean with certain outfits though, like the realistic akimbos.

[radiant orbit]

I love more grounded realistic skins, they’re usually my preference over the fantasy stuff. The virtual extension AKM and 93R skins are gorgeous for example.

But equally I love grounded but wacky skins like the potato launcher. Someone posted an idea for an AKM skin in that’s Just a buncha ospuze cans tied together and I think that’d be sick. That’s my vibe.

[radiant orbit]

God I live for the Exhibition Grade dualies.

I want every weapon to get that treatment.

[plucky hull]

Facts

[heady thunder]

Ah I honestly thought they the buffed ttk on lights from 4 shots to 3 🤣

[plucky hull]

Yeah, I get it. Despite all the crazy stuff going on, you as a contestant, has the most grounded weapon. I just find that kind of funny to me.

[shrewd scarab]

A team of three heavies could instantly kill a single light by all throwing healing emitters at them at the same time

[slender bear]

A team of three mediums could also do that with random arena carriables. Light literally dies to ambushes with flower pots 💀

[shrewd scarab]

yeah but this is funnier

[void edge]

Whats a good hammer loadout rn, or are we too screwed. I can play both the winch and goo np

[alpine onyx]

winch, goo nade, hammy, anti grav, shield/barrier

can throw a nade/mine in there if you dont want anti

[placid slate]

Same as usual, heal ball might be a good pick to help reset but I haven't gotten enough time with it to confirm

[void edge]

question about flamethrower, whats your ideal position in a fight?

cos you can still get outdpsed by the guy who youre fighting if theyre hitting their shots right?

are you gooing constantly?

[normal ice]

yes, so to be honest with you Flamethrower has always been one of the worst weapons in the game lol

its two upsides are piercing through enemies and being movement-agnostic (as in it doesn't punish your accuracy for moving around)

that and lighting goo/gas on fire

it's decent in close-quarters brawls where you might multi-hit, might prefire people around corners, or might prevent getting choked out by gas. otherwise you might as well use a gun

[void edge]

im doing everything in my power to not play guns in this game.

[normal ice]

I respect the hustle, but Embark doesn't

they've been nerfing melee options season after season

[void edge]

and thats why, my friend, im playing the flamethrower, im ahead of the curve in that sense

[radiant orbit]

Fire around corners and ledges, be evasive, push with mesh, finish with rpg, dome shield when fighting teams. Profit? Basically just be a lil’ snake and you can’t go wrong. Just always remember there are a lot of angles where you can hit them and they can’t hit you.

[vague verge]

A triple stack abusing goo made the game unplayable, so a nerf was deserved, but I think it would've been better to nerf its cooldowns instead

[frail comet]

Ayo what😭🥀

[radiant orbit]

Just fuckin ATE the other teams with flamethrower in WT just now btw.

[turbid pecan]

grenade launcher is just too op

[hearty cliff]

FUCK THROWING KNIVES

[sage badger]

🙏

[stiff vine]

preach

[umbral stone]

I have a theory that throwing knives just attract some of the best players cause they look cool for clips which is why so many people hate them. I main throwing knives and m11 and preform much better with the m11 and it’s so much more consistent. Seems like this is a super controversial take on the finals but I rlly think throwing knives are mid at best

[visual loom]

can I get a refund for my now useless hammer skins

[sour flint]

are there any plans on making the backstab on the dagger automatic again?

[shut rivet]

Are there any plans to buff our glorious melee weapons again is the real question🙏

[sour flint]

probably not

[umbral stone]

Which is so sad. The thing I love(d) most about this game is that you could actually compete with unique weapons that aren’t your standard fps guns. That’s why I play this instead of cod. But the player base seems to hate getting killed by the unique weapons way more than they do when it’s an ar

[visual loom]

playing CS2 and Splitgate 2 until Embark remembers what made their game stand out in the first place. It's ok to have fun weapons in a game

[umbral stone]

Coming from someone who’s played sledge maybe once ever in this game, I feel for u guys. Never once thought it was a problem. When I got one shot by a sledge as a light it almost always felt like my fault. We have 2 specializations, several gadgets, and higher movement speed to stop them from getting close. If they catch up to me they deserved that kill

[shut rivet]

1v1ing a sledge w a sword was peak finals

[brittle yoke]

true actually, same w dagger those melee duals felt so dynamic and unique for a fps game with guns

actual elden ring boss fight in the middle of my finals match

[umbral stone]

Ugh love that shit. 1v1 bow is another favorite of mine it’s so stressful

[royal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

Damn that is a good quality gif

[rustic kiln]

Finals be like “yes, add 20 different unique sledgehammer skins then ruin it next season”

[umbral stone]

Fr I think there should be some sort of return system even for partial vrs back. It sucks to spend $20 on a skin then have a weapon get nerfed into the ground with no warning and then it’s no fun to use anymore.

[shut rivet]

Bro hitting that nasty akiba step insta quick melee on a sledge season 1 was insane

[vast yew]

lololl

[sonic wharf]

is there a meta heavy gun rn for ranked tournament

[radiant orbit]

flamethrower

[sonic wharf]

no way, actually?

[radiant orbit]

no.

But it is fun, and that’s what counts.

[normal ice]

always Deagles, if you can get good at aiming

if headshots are too hard then M60 is acceptable

[sonic wharf]

what if im bad at aiming

ok word, so lewis is out? I was thinking about trying heavy in a round or two since it seems to be strong

[normal ice]

Most consider M60 superior atm for its easier recoil, larger mag, and better moving accuracy

[radiant orbit]

Actual answer is M60 or Minigun. Probably minigun.

or flamethrower

Always flamethrower

[normal ice]

Minigun's okay if you can always force close-range defensive situations... but probably not

[sonic wharf]

makes sense to me. I feel like miniguns accuracy is too low to be great in ranked, but i do like it a lot of power shift

[normal ice]

Yeah, Minigun's best for indoors fights where you hit most of your bullets and don't really need to move much

But M60 does plenty of damage, too. It's just a good all-rounder

[sonic wharf]

does the glitch deagle still drop everyones framerate lol

[normal ice]

@winter sable #👂┇game-feedback message do you actually know how much damage SH1900 does per shot?

[eager wasp]

a lot 💔

[radiant orbit]

Isn’t it like 260 at max?

[normal ice]

well thankfully it's not that much LOL
it's 195 -- more than enough to 2-shot Heavy

[misty elbow]

if sledge was overpowered so is db

[radiant orbit]

The fandom wiki says 180

Which tracks as you have to be right up a heavy’s asshole to two shot

[normal ice]

that wiki's always out of date. Use this one: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/SH1900

13x15 is 195
also you can quick melee for another 40 if you miss some pellets

[radiant orbit]

Ah I literally had the 1.0 data lol.

I’d advocate for slightly lower damage (maybe 155?), and a faster reload then in light of that data. Keep 1 shot and two shot potential with lights and mediums while requiring 2+ melee for heavy.

That makes sense 2 me at least

[normal ice]

I wouldn't mind 175, even

I just hate that people overreact to non-hitscan weapons when hitscan weapons almost always have better performance

And then Embark does the most heavyhanded nerfs for no reason

Like literally chunking off 25% of a melee weapon's damage... twice in two consecutive seasons

[eager wasp]

dagger 💔

[radiant orbit]

I’m off all melee tbh. Everything just kinda blows now. Medium’s options were always not great and are now even worse with recent melee hitreg changes, spear is bad, and everything else has been kicked in the shins over and over again.

I suggested it in the feedback channel but I think they should up TTKs across the board (I’m talkin’ shave half a second or more off every class) and remove melee lunge entirely. Make them feel more rewarding to use while removing oddities when fighting them and reigning their range in.

Dash’s interactions with sword lunge probably also needs to be removed, and winch will need a windup and will need to be actionable earlier. But those changes seem fair as a trade for usable melee.

I’ve wanted to do full healer riot for ages but riot shield won’t even block consistently so why even try.

[idle roost]

For some reason, in my challenges, throwing knives count as melee damage sooooooooooo

[radiant orbit]

epic

[solemn forum]

Remove the healing meta

[cunning crown]

Either that or they should add more glitch options like glitch grenades to other classes.

[solemn forum]

Well not remove it flat out but lower the healing from the station and the light medi gun

[alpine cypress]

what is the meta for heavy weapons and gadgets?

[normal ice]

Best wep is Deagles if you can aim
Best gadgets are Healing Emitter, RPG-7, Dome Shield, Barricade, Pyro Mine, Lockbolt, and sometimes maybe C4
Any specialization works

[alpine cypress]

what is second best weapon

[normal ice]

M60 :^)

SA12 and Minigun and ShAK aren't bad either if you like CQC fights

[austere lodge]

They need to buff dagger

[dusk cosmos]

I find the H+ Infuser good for a Light player like me, while being a sniper, I tend to make a dash when someone is in dire need of heals or help

Using the Sniper or the LH1 fits that deal with me

[snow scaffold]

Any opinion about buffing the blades velocity of the throwing knives?

I think they lack of velocity much more than the normal