💣┇weapons-gadgets

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/flart-ylyl-gif-25060856

[mystic nimbus]

skul is spitting facts

[wet night]

I am excited to play a medium sniper

Also Really hope we get a pirate set soon

[signal haven]

fcar or ak?

[brazen mango]

personally enjoy fcar more, but AK is better

[signal haven]

how come?

[restive plover]

More damage per magazine with essentially the same performance.

[brazen mango]

only upside to fcar is a not noticeable range difference and (for now) the sight

[restive plover]

If only they decided to buff the scar instead of nerfing the AK. 😔

[wet night]

?

[signal haven]

the question was which is better

[pine grail]

Dual deagles😎

[signal haven]

what do you guys think, is the m4 going to be good\better then ak?

[sand monolith]

I’m okay with a very small AK nerf but I would have rather had it be hipfire than mag size

Fcar still needs a buff

[hoary coral]

here me out guys! cloning or knockback specielisation

thoughts?

[icy geyser]

I like cloning but the problem with it usually is that it works in lower levels but is lackluster in high Elo (see Valorant, Apex). As for knockback, I could see it being powerful on Seoul 2023 for the open space and death pits all around, but on maps without them or even the high-rise office map, there wouldn't be enough use for it outside of knocking enemies into another team, mines/c4 or a sldedgehammer wielding teamate

[hoary coral]

also good for getting people away from u to. and for the clone, just give the class that has the clone 3 charges lol

[icy geyser]

But getting people away from you in a straight line wouldn't be the best in a small room, or if they are behind partial cover. Another problem with the knockback is that it would be entirely awful for melee classes to play against, a group who are already very underwhelming, sans sledgehammer.

The problem with clones is usually "how do they imitate players aside from looking like them", and the answer usually is found in some kind of clone movement, but the reason this works better in Apex than I think it would in The Finals is because of the environments you fight in, It's hard to think of a building where very specific movement isn't required to manuever in a way a player would.

[hoary coral]

i just want clones:3 i dont care if they suck or not

[copper sinew]

Knockback would generally be good in any way, especially if they made it so environmental kills actually count, but it would work better on some kind of impact grenade.

Denying cashout, pushing people out of position, possibly using it for movement on yourself.

Just a power that pushes people away from you would be really bad

[hoary coral]

plus apex isnt fun anymore

[icy geyser]

I agree with the grenade sentiment and I like the use case ideas

[hoary coral]

i was thinking about that too (im not lying;_;)

[copper sinew]

It does also fit with the general heavy fantasy that seems to be destruction, crowd control and up close damage so that is the class I would put it on

[hoary coral]

yea that could work pretty well

i was kinda thinking it would also work on light but i could be wrong

[icy geyser]

I think it could work on heavy if and only if the knockback force changed based on which class it was used on, Light=most KB, Medium=mid KB, Heavy=Least KB, that way values could be easily balanced, and since heavy really shouldn't have good mobility

[hoary coral]

embark take notes lmao

[vale obsidian]

we talking about kockback grenade?

[copper sinew]

Yeah. There is a lot of ledges in the game that when you jump you kinda just get up halfway there and if you could jump again mid air you would be able to grab them.

That is the max knockback it should have on self knockback. It can just have different values for yourself and enemies so it could have a bigger impact on enemy heavies too.

[hoary coral]

kind of, i think we are talking about more of a shotgun that does knockback

[copper sinew]

Well I am talking about a knockback grenade for sure

[hoary coral]

oh lol

[vale obsidian]

knockback nade would be so fun

[copper sinew]

I would honestly like more crowd control effects in the game.

Problem with the stun gun is that it sticks out too much and the effect is kinda strong in the sense of how much impact player stuck with it sees. If there where options to slow people down by like 10%-15% or that knockback grenade idea, maybe something like a bear trap that literally holds someone in place. It wouldn't feel as bad to get hit with stun if other things like that existed.

The only problem is I don't know how much those would impact the flow of the game and as there is a big focus on the movement it could leave a big impact.

[vale obsidian]

it would have to do low damage tho right?

[icy geyser]

No damage prob

[copper sinew]

Oh I was thinking no damage at all. Big push on lights, smaller on mediums and finally medium push on heavies and a smaller push on yourself.

Possibly have the option to impact allies, but that could lead into too much trolling

[vale obsidian]

bo so funny if we have a konk back mines booping people off the map lmao

[sand monolith]

konk back

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-simpson-homer-gif-12946893

[sand monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/1061721369852784751/BC0418E4-1AE6-4349-84CF-4A3CC8075D32.gif

[vale obsidian]

yeah it should effect teammate at all
even if it dosn't push them much it would still mess up their aim in a middle of a fight

[icy geyser]

It should definitely be able to move team spawn figures

[copper sinew]

Oh yeah, but those get moved by ally explosions anyway so that is a given

[icy geyser]

But I mean moved like a light class would be

[copper sinew]

Pushing people into mine traps or even possibly C4 traps would be so much fun.

[vale obsidian]

kindda remind me of jumper weapon in tf2

[icy geyser]

Exactly

[vale obsidian]

imagin we get a jumper weapon and gatgid lol

[copper sinew]

I always think about Pharah grenade from overwatch when I think about knockback grenades like that.

It always seemd so fun to use even tho I didn't really do much with it in the first place.

[icy geyser]

Maybe a jumper rocket launcher with an optional bundlethat has a tf2 based skin, (first crossover bundle???)

[copper sinew]

Oh man team fortress crossover, two new maps one sponsored by Blu the other by Red, just most famous tf2 hats in the battle pass

No weapons probably tho, because working on two maps would be too much on its own and I think those would be the better fit with a crossover

[hallow current]

Get ready guys. The M60 is going to be over powered with the red dot sights next season.

[icy geyser]

I am glad that the devs are looking into giving some attention to the dematerializer, But I don't think that this is the way to go about it. The way it looks to me is that this was intended to be a buff, But in my opinion this takes away some of the versatility gained through experience with it. Making small holes to peak through worked great, and gave you more options mid-combat. One strategy I use was opening holes above enemy teams and dropping grenades through, But I think that the new change would leave me too exposed for that.
So here's the deal. I like the dematerializer, but I think that the radius expansion wasn't the way to go about fixing it's shortcomings. So here's how I would change it. The problem I most often have with it is that when you use it on a surface to move through, there is often an object behind or below it. Do me a favor, go to the hospital part of Seoul 2023, and on the second floor of the wards area (opposite the elevator), try to go down from theor. If you don't feel like it, what happens is this: You land on ceiling tiles. To get around this, you have to prep the floor below by shooting the tiles, or worse, use a second charge of the spec. God rest your soul if you want to close the ceiling back up and you went through both with the spec, because the enemies will just shoot through the paper thin tile. The same problem occurs going up a floor too. Things like this happen across multiple maps, in places you would not expect.
Pulling out the pad mid combat is usually not worth it, and can leave you heavily exposed if it doesn't work and you find yourself on Those Goddamn Ceiling Tiles So I propose a different buff:
Revert it to it's S3 state, with one change. It now pierces not just what you see in front of you, but also a number of surfaces behind what you used it on. This would allow a medium to consistently pass through a floor, ceiling or wall without impediment. 1/2

[solemn forum]

I'm tired of the heavy nerfs, like at this point just make the Rpg a dedicated destruction Gadget, like buff the explosive radius or something with all the damage keep removing from it

[wise wigeon]

AKIMBO 93R

[icy geyser]

I also want to discuss a potential rework that buffs the specialisation. Instead of pulling out the pad to use the spec, it operates without the pad, with a small animation (Maybe a left hand swiping motion from right to left, with a glitched effect on it?). Pressing once opens the surface, twice in quick succession closes it (Left hand swipe from left to right?) This rework would have a couple impacts, but the most important one, It would be so damn cool.

More seriously, this would remove some serious clunkiness with the spec, and give it more fluidity like the grappling hook and dash have, giving the medium personal movement along with the movement types the other classes have, (heavy has movement tech and dont you tell me otherwise) 2/2

[junior ledge]

thats wut we all wanted but the devs listened right? 😂

[solemn forum]

Must have listened to the morons that said Nerf heavy

[junior ledge]

rpg is still going to be good with 100 dmg will still be meta pick. everyone liked the idea to give it two charges, more explosive dmg and only make it like 70 opponent dmg

[copper sinew]

I still feel like the bigger problem is how accesible RPG is rather than how much damage it does

[cunning wyvern]

This season is GOING TO BLOW ASS WHY CAN I NOT THROW THE SPEAR ITS A FUCKING SPEAR

[solemn forum]

Accessible? It takes long to recharge as it is

[cunning wyvern]

Let me throw the spear for the love of God it's a VR universe I should be able to recall it to my hand

[copper sinew]

Nah, I am talking about how easy it is to pull it out mid fight.

You can pretty much pull the RPG out before you get shot down in a 1v1 even if you just hid it and have to pull it out again and after that you probably still can kill the person you are fighting with.

If the deploy speed was nerfed you would need to have it prepared or use it more reasonably rather than just spamming it

[cunning wyvern]

Let. Me. Throw. The. Spear

[solemn forum]

Okay that makes sense

So isn't used immediately as some panic damage

[junior ledge]

lol charge n slam is the exact same

[copper sinew]

also holstering it if you decide it is not worth it is part of the problem. It should take longer if it is still loaded so you actually gotta think when to pull it out rather than running around with it 24/7 and just opting out if the time is not right

[cunning wyvern]

Where do I reach the devs

I need to throw the spear

[copper sinew]

Game feedback or write to support on the site

If RPG was sufficiently adjusted in the that ballpark I could even see it having two charges even with like 100 or slightly more damage.

Reload speed comes into question at that point, but if that is too slow maybe you should be able to actually deploy it faster.

Really changing just the 3 animation values gives between pulling it out, reloading and putting it away gives a lot of ways to balance it without touching the damage and I am surprised they didn't go for those options seeing how adamant they where on keeping the damage high for all of season 3

[narrow bane]

oh you're the guy from reddit

[short escarp]

does anyone have the pic of emerald rewards?

[restive prawn]

Some people are saying that they didn't show any of the gadgets in the trailer but apparently some are coming is this true?

[vale obsidian]

@leaden sail frag rarely do 149 damage
and rpg even with only 100 damage is still far betterr then frag all intierly bc its an insteand damage compare to frag that have a fuse time

adding to that, thee fuse time make the frag do less damage cus it let enemy run out of the blast
i usually do like 70 or 80ish damagae when that happen

[silk cargo]

frag can even do 150

[vale obsidian]

that have never happen before

[hardy dust]

You have to be directly on top of it

[vale obsidian]

i refuse to belive thats real lol

[silk cargo]

very very small hitbox but it is real

[hardy dust]

Its happened dozens of times to me

[silk cargo]

i managed to hit 2 in a row on 2 braindead lights once

[vale obsidian]

it never have happen to me at all

[silk cargo]

throwing issue

[vale obsidian]

"to me"

even if i throw a fat 150 i porb just assume the guy was low or something

[silk cargo]

then you've prolly 1 shot lights with frag then

so satisfying to see a full health light die in 1 hit

[hardy dust]

As in, I see 150 on the damage report

[leaden sail]

3 things

• frag never does less than 120 dmg the hitbox is gigantic
• YOU CANNOT FUCKING ESCAPE A FRAG WHAT DO YOU MEAN
• when i use frag it performs 100x better than rpg the consistency of insanely easy spamable damage WAY outweighs a 40sec cooldown for 140

legit running frag over rpg feels like an actaully good choice i dont think that should be the case

[vale obsidian]

• i don't have anything to add
• just do a quick slide and it all good (hold W for a mili second then tap run)
• rpg and frag have different use, both are better in their own way, yes frag is better at doing damage over a long time but rpg is better at doing quick burst damage and is ez to fallow up for even more burst damage
  (rpg in to C&S is deadly but with frag you need to wait for it to pop first)

[leaden sail]

my guy i do that even when im like fucking 20 meters away i still get hit by atleast 80 dmg its stupid

[vale obsidian]

slide jump :D

[leaden sail]

i still take more damage than i should :D

literally just slide jumped away from a frag and took 149 dmg STILL :D

[ornate juniper]

Skill issue
Frags are balanced

[leaden sail]

i should just not take damage its that easy!

[pallid moth]

I wish we could switch from left hand to right hand especially for melee

Especially for riot shield because you could choose which side of your body is being blocked

[ornate juniper]

Don't stand still and that's it

Yeah, you can't evade a perfectly timed grenade but most of the time it's just players predictability what makes grenades so efficient

[restive plover]

Either you have 300 ping or only tried to get away after it exploded, you have to be standing right next to one for it to do that much.

[scarlet escarp]

I’m Not Gonna Lie I Find Getting Hit By Frags To Be Super Hard

[gray willow]

ye

[scarlet escarp]

They Have Such An Obvious Throw And Bounce Noise That If I Don’t Hear It That’s Entirely My Fault

Only Time I Ever Get Hit By Them Is When I Get Reckless While Chasing, Or When I Corner Myself With Goo

[pliant cloud]

Is there any advanced riot shield tech that isn’t diagonally running at people to block the bullets?

[crisp heart]

Using the rappel to do it faster

[pliant cloud]

Rappel?

[gray willow]

ye what>

[small saffron]

are the throwing knives any good?

[gray willow]

if ur good with them

[small saffron]

alr ty

[eager wasp]

if you hit your shots and not get hitted yourself, yes, very annoying to play against

[terse garden]

ok so I just took a senstitivity test and I cot cm/360 13.02 how do I implement this into the finals?

[sand monolith]

@viscid breach dont take my word for it. ask literally any person that participates in tournaments

[stuck wedge]

your cm/360 is 13? For making nothing but exclusive twitch shots in a game like cpma/reflex I could see this working but a nightmare for tracking IMO. go to mouse-sensitivity and plug in your numbers until you see the desired cm/360.

I thought I was crazy for being around 14-15cm in Reflex. Truth is I could never beat anyone with the LG at close range with that sens

https://www.mouse-sensitivity.com

fwiw 28 was extremely comfortable but still a little bit for consistency over long differences for me. most will recc around 3x & up. someone feel free to correct me. I may not have been finger/claw tipping then honestly.

There are some very skilled players here on low dpi and 4x cm - I personally like mine to be as fast as possible but have found that 3x is a nice middle ground.

Honestly I would just figure out what your comfortable range of motion is on the pad -> that you intend to actually use regardless of size. Figure out what is a 360 for you and do the math from there.

I am on an XL pad for reference.

[pliant cloud]

Can you elaborate on this?

[gray willow]

YES, ELABORATE ON "RAPPEL:

[pliant cloud]

Google told me it’s the rock climbing thing

So I think they meant the zip line

[stuck wedge]

for rapelling down cliffs yeah

[gray willow]

nvm

[pliant cloud]

But like is the strat just like, zip line towards the people?

[gray willow]

im confused

[midnight leaf]

PLEASE FIX DEMAT its so bad for going through anything more than 2mm thick. I hate "just" statements.. but.. Just make it as if there is a giant cylinder being extended in front of you, and anything its touching get dematerialized. By far the least reliable specialization

[pliant cloud]

S4 is making it go through more now

[midnight leaf]

confirmed or speculation?

[pliant cloud]

Pretty sure it was confirmed, I saw it in a streamers preview event video

Should make Las Vegas easier for us demat mains

[zinc grove]

lol

[boreal laurel]

At the least we know its area coverage is getting a massive buff

[pliant cloud]

Are there any heavy builds that are viable rn that isn’t dome rocket launcher barricade?

[zinc grove]

fire

[pliant cloud]

Like, just a lot of fire?

[idle reef]

Train yourself enough with anything, you can make it viable. Goo is a good example of this, cracked out for movement if you have nothing else. If you can use your kit well, then it's viable, even if it's suboptimal. Sometimes suboptimal is a good thing though because people are less likely to prep counters

[pliant cloud]

That is actually really encouraging to hear, my friends are not ready for a wild combination of shenanigans I’m about to induce

What’s the goo movement?

[idle reef]

Goo is just really helpful for climbing walls and reaching things, whether it be goo gun or goo grenade

[pliant cloud]

Ah okay, reminds me of the goo surfboard I saw today on the subreddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1fmp9hp/new_tech_the_goo_surf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[idle reef]

I also run pyro on all my builds, at least as a backup, to counter gas and because no one ever runs smoke so people can't put out the fire easily

Having a gas counter + dome makes it really easy to support your teammates into getting a cashout if you don't have heal

[pliant cloud]

Do you run mines or nades? Or just the actual flamethrower

[idle reef]

I personally run pyro nade, but the mines have been fun (they got me the nuke achievement)

plus the ability to hit people through the floor/walls with pyro is really strong

[pliant cloud]

Thanks for the advice! I’ve been trying to make a way for the ks23 function and I think excess fire might be the way

I’ll probably try rocket launch, dome, pyro mines and winch

[idle reef]

C&S supremacy

[pliant cloud]

C&S?

[idle reef]

Charge & Slam, my personal favorite heavy spec

[pliant cloud]

Charge and slam is pretty fun, nothing beats stealing a cash out tho

My best moment was when I pulled a heavy that was about to sledge my light that was stealing

[idle reef]

Charge is also good at getting people off cash steal

[pliant cloud]

That’s fair, I just like having ways that can express creativeness more if that makes sense

Also the funny factor is 10x

[idle reef]

Have fun when you accidently winch a DB light right into your face and get domed

[pliant cloud]

Oh that’s happened lol, I’ve learned to shoot instantly after the winch

There’s been a few times where I get murked while pulling them

[idle reef]

I find winch better when I'm queuing with people because I can prep my teammates to help me dome the guy I'm grabbing, but I run C&S when I'm solo (most of the time) just because the damage during fights where I'm not sure if I can trust my teammates is more reliable

[pliant cloud]

I understand that, I just got my friends into the game so the communication factor helps tremendously

[wet night]

So why does jumping make the CL do less damage to you? in what world does jumping make an explosion hurt less?

[restive plover]

You are further away from where the grenade impacted and so take less damage.

[valid garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-oh-yeah-gif-oh-yeah-meme-kool-aid-kool-aid-man-gif-18211119326397565445

kool aid man them walls

[idle reef]

a world where damage is calculated based on distance from an explosion

[wet night]

Okay wingman... Know it all making my weapon sound balanced even though a jumping light destroys me.

[woeful agate]

what ive found helps with lights vs cl40 is running explosive mines and just throwing them down while they are fighting you. the mines go off and they get vaporized

[wet night]

I'll probably just go riot shield at this point

[woeful agate]

riot shield vs lights is kinda rough esp if they have pyro nade but when i ran it for like the last half of s2 dematerializer put in work in allowing me to chase down people and just generally close distance

also goo nade is your friend with riot shield

[wet night]

Right now I have been running it as a support weapon using defib and heal ray while having the shield to help get people back up and hold points. Also it is very fun to just hyper focus on a target and run at them wacking them when they reload

[sand monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/722994325058748476/806641456756424744/image0-7.gif

[woeful agate]

yeah lol especially when they back themselves into a corner and start paniking

[muted lagoon]

yo

[pliant cloud]

Yo

Is the riot shield catching on fire a glitch?

The way the visual fire is in screen it makes me feel like it isn’t

[shut bane]

That might just be your character on fire, zoomed in fov probably mskes it look weird

[cunning kettle]

nah pyro nades stick to the shield lmao

[crisp heart]

Until now?

[pliant cloud]

Yea but is it like, intentional? Or are they supposed to stay on fire

[formal crown]

please reanimate katana skin for sword. It's not a 1-handed sabre(/saber), katanas are 2-handed swords.

upon further analysis, the sword looks more like it was modeled after the spadroon.

[polar trout]

No

[polar trout]

It is used with two hands in game

Aside from the lunge animation (I don't know about that one, it could be one or two hands)

[cobalt hare]

Am i the only one who saw a heavy place a zipline in the season 4 trailer

[polar trout]

Think so

[formal crown]

the thrust was the important part; thats the part where your hands go more into view

[polar trout]

Eh for primary and idle it's used two handed

[formal crown]

light has the strogest forearm strength 💀

[polar trout]

So a majority of animations have it used two handed and the one that has it used one handed has to be that way for constraints or whatever

[formal crown]

probably because katanas were more used for cutting and not thrusting ig

[ornate juniper]

Omg why not complain about baseball bat then

[hallow current]

I'm a light main but I'm looking at the dual degal gameplay and them bitches go hard🔥🔥🔥👀

[vernal fern]

true

[vale obsidian]

next week going to be duel deagle only lol

[dreamy hare]

next week deagle nerf 100%

[vale obsidian]

yeah bc lil timmy going to complain bout it

[ashen hawk]

@vale obsidian real. idont think the embark balance team can actually see the balance changes its making

no i cant tell, cuz u know. i havent actually PLAYED the game so yea

[copper sinew]

I think it is the other way around. They actually see the totality of the community and it is what the individuals are saying that it shortsighted.

I feel like the vast majority of people on this server fall more onto the tryhard category rather than casuals. Moreso servers and forums usually become echo chambers, where people with differing opinions feel drowned out.

So even if it feels like the entire server agrees on one thing that probably still doesn't reflect what people who play casually believe and that is the majority of the playerbase so it is important to take them into account.

That's why it is important everybody says what they think, because everyone can make a good point even if they disagree with you or Embark does something competently opposite in the patch notes.

[vale obsidian]

i would want them to also listen to casual but all they say is PLS NERF blank

which lead to our nerfing situaltion now

[pine grail]

They really ruined mesh beyond the point of a usage drop

[vale obsidian]

and no one ever say a thing about mesh needing a change at all lol

[pine grail]

It was already pretty easy to counter and they made it literally unusable

[vale obsidian]

do they touch C&S 130 damage?

[pine grail]

What?

Oh no I don’t think

invis was thankfully buffed it needed to be harder to see again

[bronze spade]

braindead changes across the board

s4 will get boring fast after the hype

[sand monolith]

The season 4 patch is great what

Besides the mesh nerf which isn’t making it in to the final update

[obsidian nexus]

throwing knife still broken, sustained damage on burst class

[sand monolith]

Sustained damage is terrible for light

[bronze spade]

3 breach charges and 3 smokes for lights while med has less mines?

[sand monolith]

Light is a burst class because sustained damage is bad when you can’t stay in the open for more than 2s

[obsidian nexus]

and throwing knifes are still broken. because of the infinite pressure

[sand monolith]

3 breach charge is not really a huge deal and light has had 3 smokes this entire season

[bronze spade]

no

[sand monolith]

To what

[polar trout]

It's getting one methinks

[bronze spade]

there is 2 smokes

[sand monolith]

Light has 3 smokes right now on a 50s cooldown

And has since patch 3.0

[bronze spade]

no they dont

[polar trout]

Not dual blades but yes some stuff was buffed. I know for sure the lewis for a recoil buff and I'm pretty sure the m60 did too. Don't know what else

[polar trout]

Yes they do, it's really annoying

[sand monolith]

Patch 3.0

https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/300

[polar trout]

It needs a shorter cooldown

Anyways it was changed to make it more usable in ta

[sand monolith]

I’m fine with the mine nerf they’re low skill and hardly function due to netcode anyways

So many times you will turn a corner and immediately see a mine and press S but the server doesn’t register in time

And you get hit with instant death double stack mines

[bronze spade]

thats a developer issue and skill issue

[sand monolith]

Netcode is a skill issue allegedly

[bronze spade]

thats the point, i bait and switch

[sand monolith]

They’re low skill and passive anyways. Completely fine with them being nerfed tbh

[bronze spade]

low skill? haha

[sand monolith]

Mediums strongest gadgets should be active gadgets

[bronze spade]

no thanks, mines were lowkey the counter to lights with invis

[sand monolith]

The counter to cloak is eyes and ears

[bronze spade]

or good enough to stall box

[junior ledge]

Sounds like a skill issue to me

[bronze spade]

weak argument

[junior ledge]

Says the guy that putting down two mines in a random corner and getting free kills is skill

[bronze spade]

assumptions

[sand monolith]

lol

[bronze spade]

im the guy putting it on the door while you're braindead enough to rush in there

[crisp heart]

wahhh! they nerfed mines! how will I kill with my potato aim now?

[junior ledge]

Oh no my mines 😭

[sand monolith]

Cl40 buff

[bronze spade]

potato aim? you kids cant even use the v9s without complaining about the sights wahhh

[junior ledge]

The light only gets to one hp now its not fair 😭

[sand monolith]

That’s not why people complain about the v9

The irons are actually good and first shot is very easy to hit

[bronze spade]

half the clips i see i dont even see people hit head consistently, the funny thing is i did not touch mines all season 3

[ashen hawk]

ye true tho.
a good lesson

[sand monolith]

Okay 👍

[bronze spade]

i bet you it was the glitch mines that people were stacking

[sand monolith]

Mines were probably nerfed so that they aren’t insane with the cl40 buff

Seems fine to me tbh

[bronze spade]

i used to run s1 turret and mines

i bait you to run around the turret and lure you inside if you were pushing a cashbox i would leave the cashbox alone because i knew people were in the run to get to it

look how many seasons it took for the 1887 to be acknowledged

[ashen hawk]

@stuck wedge
I am sorry to keep you up late. Its totally my fault
The lewis recoil was nerfed highly to the point it was annoying to use. The bubble shield was reduced to 5 secs, only enough to cover you for relaod. The mines were nerfed just because ppl couldnt see the incredibly flashing and noising mines, and its not on them. The AKM is nerfed because its also too powerful. Mesh was nerfed cuz ppl couldnt dash into meelee range and use m11 on a giant hulk on close range.

"Heavies are too op", "Heavies have so much health", "most people use heavies in ranked", "Heavies are supposed to defend so they shoudlnt have powerful, accurate weapons", "Heavies are only for soaking up damage and shouldnt do damage to other ppl", "RPG should be a destruction tool and should do no damage, even tho its a effing rocket launcher", "Bubble shield is too op cuz i cant go inside the bubble using grapple or jump pad"

Love this light community, keep it up guys! (note im saying this to specific specific ppl like someone here, not generally to all)

[sand monolith]

It took until the fcar was nerfed. Because the fcar was better

[bronze spade]

the fcar should of never got touched if they were going to add sights in the game

[sand monolith]

That wasn’t the issue with the fcar

The fcar could win a ttk race against a heavy with the Lewis gun up close lmao

The gun was just overtuned

[ashen hawk]

real.

[stuck wedge]

I apologized and said I shouldn’t have made it about you at any point. I’m not personally making any complaints against heavy. My reaction is towards the general sentiment I’ve been reading. Sorry dude.

[bronze spade]

i havent played in a couple of weeks to be honest, i lost interest this season

[ashen hawk]

Im pretty sure ur fed up with the stun gun complaints, I understand you for that.

[bronze spade]

it could be three, but it felt like two because of the amount of smokes i would throw to make it effective

[stuck wedge]

Honestly it’s not even game specific just general us vs them stuff lol. I mean no harm.

[ashen hawk]

ye but that didnt mean u eff up its recoil. decrease reload speed or mag size if u want but recoil literally destroys the playability of a weapon, take the lewis, its hellishly annoying

[ashen hawk]

yesss ik. ppl on discord are always arguing, its all in fun

[sand monolith]

Yes, recoil nerfs make no sense

[bronze spade]

they changed the recoil pattern for the akm day 1 season 1

[ashen hawk]

id sign a petition but i dont think embark woudl rllly care, now they still continue to nerf heavies and meds, season didnt even startt

[bronze spade]

i guess they dont want people getting used to having a favorite weapon to main

[sand monolith]

They buffed the Lewis and fcar recoil for season 4 and are adding sights. They realize that making guns feel bad doesn’t fix their issues

[ashen hawk]

i cant imagine the brutality theyd do to akimbo a week after the season starts
the torture 😭

[ashen hawk]

lol is that a joke? bro since when is the buff happening???

[obsidian nexus]

since people found out in the playtest

[bronze spade]

the deagles are there to compensate for the heavy nerfs buts it going to make the game boring fast and will possibly get nerfed

[sand monolith]

In 3 days

[ashen hawk]

holy shit i hope the buffs actually happen

[ashen hawk]

possibly? at this rate definitely lmao

[sand monolith]

The Lewis gun felt pretty much like it did in season 2 for the playtest

[pearl hollow]

Are the dualies gonna be heavy light or medium

[ashen hawk]

no but in all the videos i saw they didnt mention anything abt lewis or fcar buff

[ashen hawk]

lmao heavy im srry

[pearl hollow]

dual. Pistols.
On..
Heavy?

[sand monolith]

Weird

[sand monolith]

They’re giant deagles

[ashen hawk]

yes. u lights already have a v9s, and much more guns than heavy so chill
and they aint pistols lmao theyre deagles, if u know whart that is

[sand monolith]

I do hope that 93r becomes akimbo eventually

[ashen hawk]

93r should become famas but with a smaller magsize. i mean it looks like the famas but tinier so thats what came to my mind tbh

[bronze spade]

93r should be automatic

the famas is the premire burst rifle

[pearl hollow]

I forgot about the v9 😭

[polar trout]

Unlike the famas, the 93r physically can't go full auto irl

[polar trout]

Plus med has revolver

[vernal fern]

what even is the 93r ?

[polar trout]

Beretta m93 raffica

[vernal fern]

oh yh mb forgot about this weapon lmao

[polar trout]

A burst pistol that was created in like the 70s or something

Ended its production run in like 10 years which sucks cuz I want one and it'll be hella expensive

Was created as a remedy for the Italian police being outgunned

[bronze spade]

thats true, but at least the fire rate should be faster

[polar trout]

Definitely, irl it has an rpm of like 1200

[bronze spade]

the finals is set in the future

[polar trout]

Or hear me out

I want a buff for the 93r
Make it deal 31 DMG per shot

Cuz then it deals 93 dmg per burst

[bronze spade]

headshot damage

[hexed tulip]

9.3 per burst

[vernal fern]

lol

[crisp heart]

so, should the 93r be better than the famas?

[bronze spade]

93r should fire five rounds per burst

[bronze spade]

no it should be able to hold itself close range

[polar trout]

Irl it fires 3

[polar trout]

I mean yeah it's attached to a class actually meant to do damage

Makes no sense for the support class to have stronger weapons than the DPS class

Plus even if it deals 93 damage you still won't hit all your shots

[bronze spade]

if the support class has the precession weapons and less equipment it does

[crisp heart]

It'd be funny if a pistol would deal more damage than an AR

[bronze spade]

this isnt a mmo

[crisp heart]

A low damage, laser rate of fire would nice. Basically the "no full auto in the building" video

[bronze spade]

93r would be a good hipfire weapon that is insanely accurate

[crisp heart]

Can't make art without details

[bronze spade]

lights should be played more stealth

less direct involment and to the side

[ashen hawk]

ye lol

[ashen hawk]

so now we all have handguns yay

[polar trout]

So m has precision weapons, meaning you're more likely to hit your shots, so the 93r should definitely be dealing more DMG per shot as you're expected to hit less

More dmg per shot than say the famas

Which ngl I don't think it's a very good comparison as the famas is med to long range while the 93r is short to med(rarely)

[crisp heart]

Does shot refer to per bullet or per burst

[polar trout]

Per shot

But honestly if you increase DMG per shot it would also increase damage per burst

[crisp heart]

So, a much more effective weapon to pair with stun gun

Buffing damage to a weapon that has low recoil, high accuracy is very tough

[polar trout]

Sure

[narrow bane]

no it shouldn’t
burst delay should be eliminated (tho damage per bullet would need to be decreased) + a recoil increase so people that can control the recoil get rewarded

[polar trout]

It's funny that a short recurve bow deals more dmg than a 23mm slug shotgun

[polar trout]

ATP burst is just flavor text

Cuz then it's just automatic

But you have to spam the key instead of being able to hold it

[narrow bane]

what is atp

[polar trout]

At that point

Adenosine triphosphate too I think it was called

What the body stores energy in and releases by breaking one of its bonds

[narrow bane]

you don’t understand
removing burst delay does not mean making it fully automatic
you still fire 3 shots per trigger pull
the beauty about this is that you would have to time your bursts perfectly to get the max fire rate of the weapon

[polar trout]

Or hotkey your auto clicker to lmb and then get a budget m11 with less ammo

[narrow bane]

or get banned for that because that’s a third party program…

[polar trout]

The delay means that you have time to line up your shot, and should prolly stay

[polar trout]

Womp womp people be using third party crosshairs all the time. Also it was to make a point

[narrow bane]

no not really

[polar trout]

So you gotta reason or just Nuh uh

[narrow bane]

have you played battlefield 3 and 4 before?

[polar trout]

Yes

[narrow bane]

have you used the 93r in those games? do you remember how it was? No burst delay, right?

[polar trout]

No I didn't

My obsession with it came from the finals and I haven't played those games in a whie

Didn't even know it was in those games ngl

I'll try it out and see how it feels ig

[narrow bane]

you could easily acquire targets and shoot them with no burst delay like any other weapon

[narrow bane]

try it out and tell me your thoughts
though… you'll prob have to play for a bit to unlock the weapon first :)

[crisp heart]

It's funny to me that, M and H can still stack mines. They just have to have a bit of teamwork.

It's not really that crippling of a nerf

[polar trout]

I got the thingie that skips all the progression when it was free a few years ago

[narrow bane]

ah premium?

[polar trout]

Means you can't get double stacked when you chasing someone down

[narrow bane]

bet, then that means i'll get a response faster

[polar trout]

I wanna say it was the shortcut kit or something I forgot. Just remember seeing it was free so I decided to nab it

[polar trout]

But yeah it's not really crippling

[narrow bane]

Well I think you will like how the 93r feels

[polar trout]

Heh what if util set util off, so trying to put a mine on another mine would set the one on the ground off so you needed to put them with some space

[bronze spade]

look at the ground

if you are a light and trying to chase someone you are doing it wrong

[polar trout]

.... Block parry dodge 2.0

[bronze spade]

those mines could of done something with the new shotgun the light is using

oh you want to rush me with a shotty, think again

[crisp heart]

Other classes can be victims of this vile act

[bronze spade]

its a general fps rule dont push to chase unless you know whats on the other side

[crisp heart]

And yet they still fall victim to this vile act

[bronze spade]

they can also fall prey to well placed wall frag

[polar trout]

Sweep the floor and then get shot by the chasee. Don't sweep the floor and step on a mine

Plus one is enough, you still get a free 120 DMG out of it

[bronze spade]

a good defense along with a goo wall

[polar trout]

Oh yeah has anyone else had a glitch with getting one shot by frags on light? Like after i die it says 150 by the frag with no other sources, and they didn't throw two

[bronze spade]

i dont think one is good enough, it ruins my Strat of putting well placed traps and punishing lights who want to rush without a thought

[crisp heart]

Well, that's too bad

[bronze spade]

good luck not playing light the right way

[shut bane]

Im really not a fan of the demat change next season, looks like a bit of a pain no?

[bronze spade]

they dont want people like myself running through bulidings and peeking shots

yeah but they going to buff tk again

[shut bane]

It’s like the one specialization that’s fun for medium, why make it impractical

[bronze spade]

ask the devs, i dont understand thier logic anymore

[shut bane]

They’re doing good work but I can’t agree with some of the changes

[loud merlin]

is the explosive mines removal included in that too?

[shut bane]

From two to one mine? Yeah, seems to be more catering to lights imo

[bronze spade]

3 breacher charges for lights? tf is that

[shut bane]

But I get that they don’t want free damage from any source including and especially from rpg but why limit fun from things like c4 and then allow three breaching charges and even a straight up better environmental damage tool for lights? I just don’t get it, the damage nerf for c4 I do understand but how come lights have more environmental damage potential than heavies now?

[bronze spade]

thermal bore?

[loud merlin]

man

it just feels all light favoritism now

[shut bane]

It’s gonna stay that way for a bit but at least the other two classes have some counters for their most annoying aspects now

[bronze spade]

band aids at this rate

at this rate implying light takes skill is a meme

[shut bane]

I would like to see the sniper changes, they added some bullet drop and travel time no?

[loud merlin]

yea

[bronze spade]

at this rate, light is going to be like; heavy has 50 more hp then me, its op

[shut bane]

Eh, personally I think the cloak should get some recon senses treatment

Change it in a smart way, spammable invisibility and spammable wallhacks kind of go together like bread and butter

[polar trout]

You can only target one thing, or up to 4

[shut bane]

Oh? Can you choose?

[polar trout]

Just requires a bit more precision stop hit only one section

[polar trout]

Yep you can sort of "highlight" up to four and get those four

[bronze spade]

i think med should get back its sonar grenades

[polar trout]

Or you can just hit one, or two, or three

[shut bane]

Ah that’s really good then, seen tons of people just drop themselves in the s4 showcase lol

[polar trout]

Yep. Plus I found myself having to use 2 charges to get through stuff less

[shut bane]

Yeah didn’t know you could choose how much you dematerialized, in that case were good

[crisp heart]

How exactly is a 3rd breach charge OP? I rarely see people use them so I don't know

[shut bane]

Not op, but still more fun than one c4 charge

[crisp heart]

Not op yet here we are with people cursing it like it's the bane of society

It's not like they turned the stun gun into a full-auto stun rifle

Which they should do wink wink

[shut bane]

My complaint is just that heavies environmental damage which was supposed to be their whole shtick is easily outdone by lights gadgets, unless they ran sledgehammer of course but that implies running sledgehammer

The rpg damage nerf is fine but apparently the damage it deals to the environment was also affected

[crisp heart]

How big are these breach chargr holes exactly?

[shut bane]

Not that big but you get enough charges to make bigger plays

Dropping cash outs, peeking into rooms although not as easily as demat

[copper sinew]

Breach charges are actually more about mobility rather than demolition. Sure they can take down buildings in big numbers but they are better for making holes to go through or flanking the cashouts from unexpected angles

[shut bane]

true, though I don’t see why you’d even run breaching charges over thermal bore as that’s just an easy way to completely disrupt a rooms structural integrity, ah unless you want smaller more precise holes nvm

[crisp heart]

It's more faster

Thermal bore is if you want vision from a distance

[shut bane]

It’s a better rpg for environment interaction, the delay is barely a problem if timed correctly, I see your point though Kabo, myaru

[crisp heart]

Yeah, breach charge

[shut bane]

I’m not calling for outright light nerfs here but rather, just want heavy to be less obsolete as the majority it has to offer are defense and big health pool

Imo anyway

[crisp heart]

They aren't they're still very dangerous. If they can hit their shots

[shut bane]

with a deagle for sure, but just what weapons in their arsenal demand that much precision besides KS and the LMG's

[crisp heart]

The shotgun?

[shut bane]

idk man, im guessing thats why deagle will kind of be the top pick soon enough

first medium range hitscan weapon heavies will have to hit headshots with, of course you could do that with the lmg's but holy is that inconsistent

[crisp heart]

Like the mgs and shotgun then

Everything make sense when you realise that heavy (and medium) shouldn't be engaging in skirmishes alone.

Can't defend someone that isn't there

[shut bane]

of course teamplay will solve most of any classes faults but each class needs to have some level of independence when it comes to a duel

its fine that lights are the best at that but say a heavy is the last in its team, its highly unlikely they survive that with how little movement and damage they deal currently, they do NOT need movement buffs just to be clear

[crisp heart]

And you will solve that by increasing their damage?

[shut bane]

by giving them more options in their arsenal

[crisp heart]

Like?

[shut bane]

thats what embark is setting out to do with the deagle, but no, not free damage, if environment is their specialty then we need more options to interact with said environment

[crisp heart]

So, there's no problem then

It's not though, it's defense.

[shut bane]

originally it was just environment as a whole, seems they have shifted towards pure defense but even thats being changed after the dome and mesh nerfs which I understand but what then?

[crisp heart]

So you want a destruction based specialization then?

[shut bane]

yes

[crisp heart]

But, we don't have that yet. H has the Sledge, C4, KS and RL

[pine grail]

I can’t those nerfs to mesh are fuckin ridiculous

[crisp heart]

Until you realise H has been throwing them at enemies and before shooting at them.

Oh That was the dome shield

[shut bane]

sledge is just not viable at range and you need to build around it with defense, C4 just isnt worth the defense slot, KS requires more than half the mag to break a single wall but it can so theres that, Rocket launcher is still ok for destruction but overshadowed by thermal bore in terms of destruction

Im sure embark will give us some more fun oriented gadgets soon enough

[crisp heart]

So you want structure destruction, but you don't want to use the gadgets and weapons that can destroy structure.

[shut bane]

im not saying I dont want them, im saying theres not enough destruction

c4 and rpg arent as good as thermal bore so id just run light instead of heavy, and the movement and sheer damage from their arsenal make them far more viable for disruption as well as damage output

[crisp heart]

what do you use them for anyways?

why do you want more destruction

[shut bane]

why should I explain why I want more destruction in a fully destructible shooter

[crisp heart]

I'm asking why you need more though.

[shut bane]

because destruction potential for lights is more viable than that of heavies imo

[crisp heart]

but light only has 2 gadgets for that

and it isn't even used the same way that the heavy does

[shut bane]

true, but heavies nowadays would rather run winch claw, dome sheilds, flamethrowers, occasionally an lmg, defense simply outperforms environment interaction due to the limited amount of destruction you can deal

[raw spire]

Heavy is super underpowered. They were in a really good place prior to their LMG nerfs

[crisp heart]

If the LMG nerf is the issue then they are getting buffed upcoming season.

[fleet brook]

Charge and slam literally let's you run through buildings and auto destroys alot

[fleet brook]

Damage wise heavys lmgs are fine

Feel wise they're dog water

[crisp heart]

oh yeah, forgot about C&S

[dry fern]

does anyone have a light loadout a beginner player can utilize? ı am set on either m11 or v9s as weapons but ı am not sure about the gadget/specilization

[shut bane]

Bit late but xp-45, taser, disruption grenade, vanish bomb, and either dash or grapple is what I used and enjoyed at first, though of those two weapons I think m11 is probably better if you can handle the recoil, ah and sonar grenade is a bit of the meta right now

[dry fern]

ı really can't handle the recoil on xp but fro some reason m11 is fine

[shut bane]

Then def go m11, has better damage anyways

[dry fern]

will do thx

[tired osprey]

heavy sniper when

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-2a-donttreadonme-gadston-gif-26370846

[hoary coral]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-cannon-linus-acetylene-recoil-kick-back-gif-16438820

Broooo why can’t I send gifs:((???

[copper axle]

m11.nade.stun/gatway.glitch nade

[dry fern]

ı will unlock gateway asap yeah that seems so good

[tired osprey]

id be so happy, hell, take the scope off of it if its a balance issue, make it a destruction based super DMR

[honest willow]

How exactly is heavy limited in destruction when it has sledge? Destruction is already annoying enough with how many times a random sledge will just tear down a building with 0 strategic plans in mind and screwing over multiple teams. It has enough imo.. If you don't want to run sledge, or even charge and slam, and have the downside of limited range, then you shouldn't be askin for more destruction bc you ALREADY have it in the class

[supple perch]

If the heavy had like a sniper that was slow and shot through walls that would be pog. But a heavy with no close range sounds rough

[alpine tangle]

Imagine the damage tho

[tulip grove]

You can make up for lack of close range with Charge and Slam usually, but that doesn't always mean a free bail out of getting cheesed by a CQC Light

[supple perch]

Maybe make it really slow like on a cool down but the weapon itself is a melee weapon like a bayonet

[tulip grove]

Hear me out. Heavy calibre cannon with one shot per magazine.

[supple perch]

Yeah have to manually chamber a shot

[supple perch]

Lights try peaking in and out of windows but the shot is huge and ignores their cover

[tulip grove]

Probably a pain to balance tho unless it's kinda more like the Bow, but with some AoE to make up for longer downtime.

[supple perch]

I think balance in this game works well with reload times. Like people complain about the model but it takes a year to reload and only has 6 shots

[hardy dust]

model is an issue and the reload isnt a way to balance it

it doesnt matter if it takes forever to reload if you're already dead

plus it can fire at a slightly slower rate of fire when empty

[torpid sail]

Did they rework gateway

[shut bane]

sledge has all the destruction possible but is a terrible weapon, itll only be worse after the new ranged weapons come out next season, gotta play really smart with it, and not even in a fun way when youre putting up with snipers or akm's or literally anything that doesnt have a range of point blank

[wise wigeon]

🤫

AKIMBO 93R

or a red dot sight

[robust sundial]

If only, like make it happen already

[honest willow]

It WAS a bad weapon, until they added winch.

[fading imp]

yeet

yeet

[shut bane]

Winch is a crutch that will get you kills but can only get you one in a fight, if you’re going up against a team that kill will contribute but youre still depending on teammates at that point, I also highly doubt most teams run tripple heavy with winch

Maybe soon though

It’s also just better to run shotgun for the ranged use even with winch

[hallow current]

As cool as that is, I try to put on my fake dev hat and I have a hard time imagining how to balance that.

Like what if they said "eff it" and they just put something like that in the game, how would you make it work

Idk

[hallow current]

Yep. Glitch nades would need a serious buff

[spark igloo]

well there just isnt

your survival getting hit by a winch sledge depends on the winch sledge fucking up

or in a few cases like charge heavy or dash light, hoping rpg or goo grenades are on cooldown

[tight yarrow]

As a sledge heavy main its fun af tearing down buildings and fucking everyone over and catching the people trying to climb out of the rubble

I use goo gun along with it because it gives way too many options the other abilities dont

[hallow current]

Now we have scopes on weapond so we will see

[tired osprey]

i mean...

[lone pagoda]

it tends to isolate the revive statue

[spice loom]

i think like heavy getting a sniper would be a bad pick lol

[tired osprey]

slow fire rate, crazy recoil, takes a wall down, doesnt headshot, you can make it work

[spice loom]

doesnt headshot would work

1 round mag

[tired osprey]

making it require a hand load would work too, i kinda just wanna be a terrain sniper, taking out walls from distance while the lights flank

[fleet brook]

See I was fine with sledge felt rewarding for playing good and strategic and then they added DASH

When it came out it was Imo objectively better than grapple and invis so every light was running it

Now it's be tuned to meh

[scarlet escarp]

Next Light Spec Should Be Clone

It’d Be So Funny

[hallow current]

This would be cool

[tired osprey]

...random idea, what if we just got a 'materializer'. Generates a throwable for you, you can loop it a few times to toggle

[scarlet escarp]

Peak, Add It Immediately Embark

[obtuse laurel]

How's the new light shotgun?

[wise wigeon]

Embark pays attention so if we keep pushing it im sure they’ll make it happen

Also another weak gun that doesn’t get alot of love is the KS-23 i think if you make it so it destroys walls with 2 shots instead of the 3-4 it’ll be more useful

[wet night]

I know the developers dont balance weapons much but some weapons just feel... bad

[wise wigeon]

honestly from what I’ve seen from S4 alot of weapons are gona be more viable thanks to new sights/changes but 3 standout weak weapons imo are gona be the 93R, KS-23, and dual blades

Facts but i can see it being such a fun weapon, i think those changes u just mentioned plus more destruction damage will balance it

also to quickly give my opinion on the mediums dual blades i dont think they’ll really feel balanced until mediums get some kind of movement specialization. Maybe the damage needs a slight buff but it wont really shine till u have somekind of movement specialization to pair with it

[scarlet escarp]

I Think A Stim Gun Would Be Better For Light

[wise wigeon]

Facts been thinking this

Maybe something like tht one crackhead from apex tht injects himself and then runs fast(i dont play the game like tht)

[scarlet escarp]

Light Needs More Stuff That Gives Teamplay Value Rather Thab Selfish Value

If Amr Was Here He’d Never Let You Live It Down

[wise wigeon]

Something like docs gun from siege so you have 1 or 2 stims and light can either inject his teammates or himself

And maybe have it work similar to cod’s stims where u get a small speedboost

[glad briar]

1911 when?

[undone remnant]

About 113 years ago

[versed siren]

when did mgl start doing direct hit damage?

[wet night]

Someone explain to me why the revolver does have 100% accuracy

[tired osprey]

bang bang bang, pull my devil trigger (it only does if you fire at the right rhythm, if you spam fire it doesnt)

[sand monolith]

it doesn't. but why shouldn't it?

[pine grail]

Behold the field in which I grow my fucks.lay shine upon it ,and thou shall see it is barren

[wise briar]

Quick question for next season. Can the sniper scope be removed and use an iron sight if i wanted to?

[fickle radish]

dont think so, but you can remove scoper from the new dmr

[pine grail]

No

[copper sinew]

Oh that would be great for mediums. Increase the movement speed to light levels for like 8 to 12 seconds and increase a weapon swap speed. Probably better as a specialization tho

[icy sparrow]

@crude loom I guess I got the wrong info from a vid on s4 on tracking dart

[restive plover]

Im a different kind of a light main, I always work with my team

[thick sierra]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[granite marsh]

Love how this game is playing out but I feel like something is still missing
instead of heavy being mostly destruction and defense based
while light is speed and movement
give heavy a tiny bit more movement gadgets and give light a tiny bit more destruction gadgets
nothing crazy cause obviously neither heavy nor light is ment too steal the others role

but a simple idea I had for light builds was give them a 1 round 1 handed rpg that does low damage too people but could blow a hole in a wall
E.g. Ash gadget from R6S
something u can use on the run and just whip out and fire too remove an obstruction

meanwhile heavy could do with something too help with vertical movement, open to ideas

might just be being delulu but ive always kinda felt this was the case since launch and it was the only single reason I didnt fully stick to playing the finals for a while until more recently

[restive plover]

I main Light amd I play as a team player and I always go for objectives, not for kills

[wet night]

Makes sense for realism I guess, though I feel like it should one shot lights,with a head shot, if that is the case.

[lilac sage]

Thermal bore for the light is literally the ash gadget. They also have breaching charges which are low damage but blow holes through walls.

The anti gravity cube kinda works for vertical movement. But also barricades can be used to mantle up to higher floors. If heavy had anything more it would just be the same as the jump pad, which would make them obsolete.

[sand monolith]

The damage is nerfed to 16 from 18

[maiden solstice]

Fun Fact: The Tracking Dart does 5 damage, meaning that it is possible to kill someone with it

AND it has its own sprite in the kill menu

[thick sierra]

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[sand monolith]

Does it? It used to not so it would just show up with a “?” As the icon

[sand monolith]

Base damage nerfed to 16

[maiden solstice]

I think in season 3 they changed it, I got another kill with it last night, and it showed in the top right

[sand monolith]

Oh awesome

[thick sierra]

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[maiden solstice]

Bc I do remember it only showing a standard skull

Ngl someone needs to clip it when they get it

I've never seen that happen

[quasi sleet]

imagine
weapons... AND gadgets

in the finals

[supple perch]

Ya 90% of the time they arent really out of rifle range like famas, its just harder to hit with no dot or small scope. Sniper wont just be able to stand in one place out of reach and shoot mediums and heavies defending with no ranged weapons other than an rpg

[ashen hawk]

real, meds have plenty of teammwork stuff, i think we shd give em to lights to get them someting like tat

@wooden rock yea true tho. i wonder if theyre gonna give glitch nade a nerf, after the glitch mine has been nerfed.

[finite cradle]

The glitch mine wasn’t nerfed or buffed. The changes balance out.

You only can carry 1 mine now, but you can still have 2 mines down. Just gotta wait for it to recharge after placing the first one. As a result of this change glitch mines have had their radius increased

[grizzled narwhal]

Guys, do you think that the grabber (like the chain that can grab anything for heavy) is kinda useless? It is really hard to aim at players, especially light

[crude leaf]

It'd be funny af if the Frag Grenade did like 10 damage if you bounced it off from a player. It would really fit with the upcoming baseball skin for the Frag Grenade

[grim palm]

maybe a short tp for medium kinda like light dash but one charge and can go theough walls

[ornate juniper]

Its OP and broken and is fairly easy to target since u get used to timing

[grizzled narwhal]

oh yeah tks, but I will assume it wont do much on power bank, like the moving platform

[finite cradle]

Winch is goated. Not being able to hit players is a skill issue and it has more uses than just grabbing enemies.

You can move the cashout station
Grab revive statues
Grab building debris
Grab barrels and canisters

[dusky ember]

anyone know why healing beam does not have a white skin?

[copper sinew]

there is one white-ish from the store if I remember correctly.

Maybe Embark decided they would be too smiliar so it is not worth it

[hazy spoke]

revert light dash nerf pls this class needs enough skill to keep up with the others so no need to nerf it

[heavy swan]

who is with me: moving stungun to heavy?

[thick sierra]

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[heavy swan]

@thick sierra but heavy is already bomking hummers with winch claw

and winch claw even brings the person closer

[hallow current]

Lol winch + stun + flame thrower/shotgun/hammer/spear

🤣🤣🤣

[heavy swan]

yes but i think it's better than lights having it

[hallow current]

Why shouldn't they have it?

[heavy swan]

high dps and they don't have to be right next to the person for the stun to be useful

[sinful dagger]

Moving stun to heavy is insane

Gotta love getting winched, stunned, and then two shot by sa

[heavy swan]

or removing stun since heavy already has winch

[sinful dagger]

Id be fine with that

[simple holly]

Is anyone experiencing weapons not gaining levels?

[wind rose]

I think they should come out with a gadget that's similar to the old Orisa pull from O.W. pulls enemies to each other for a brief second, then release.

[wise wigeon]

I’d even say increase it to even faster than light levels making them the fastest player in the game for 8-12s the can call it adrenaline shot or something

[midnight hedge]

“Light needs more-“ imma have to stop you right there

[novel quarry]

need a defib skin where its two rats

[unborn heron]

this is actually so facts

[hazy spoke]

Speaking about the cashout improving blog. ive read it till "so what does this all mean" and my first thought was that there is room for optimization in the field of spawns/respawns. So i was actually beyond happy after ive read the last textbracket where you confirm that you think the same. I also think that the respawn mecanic is a really hard thing to optimise very good because it it very complex and there are many different scenarios for different respawns. So please take your time, dont rush and do some surveys after each few changes like you did with the team wipe penalties. Another thing that i think is interesting to think about is the vault system. Right now opening vaults does not really matter at all, which is good for the first 2 vault of a match, because its hard to create a fair race between 2 teams after the first spawn. But all vaults after the first wave could play a more significant role and add more strategic possibilities to the game. And i personally think that the 30% granted after cashing in the vault does not really impact the playstyle and strategy of us players. (to explain that: one of the best things of the finals is the strategic depth and the need for players to think and calculate which objective or strategy they should play. 30% of a vault is nice to have, but i played a lot of world tour after the 30% change and except for really rare occasions at the last wave of a match, it made never a really calculatable difference to cash in the vault. To increase the amount of 30% would probably be too significant for the cashout itself. So maybe you could grant the team another bonus for cashing in vaults without deducting the amount of the cashout itself. I FEEL LIKE IT COULD BE COOL IF THE VAULTS GET A MORE IMPORTANT OBJECTIVE THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW: Anyways, i am no developer so may be the case that im talking trash but PLEASE feel free to experiment. LOVE

"Too many tournament games end with first and second place having too much cash for 3rd and 4th to catch up without double stacking two vaults in overtime. in previous seasons where being first place guaranteed moving on, but second place was never assured until the match ended there was more room for maneuver" is also a thing i can confirm.

[heavy swan]

you wrote it on the wrong channel, or are you just spamming lol

[knotty spire]

I don’t see (and can’t buy) defib wires skin. What am I missing?

[novel quarry]

battle pass reward for season 2

[copper sinew]

great idea, but also why?

We also need skins for all of the basic grenades, not just frags, even a simple molotov for pyro nades and idk an old sandwich or a can of sardines for the gas nades

[vague monolith]

Hmm these are all good suggestions, but how about 15 more ak skins instead?

[plain wasp]

Did somebody say...
M11 SKINS

[copper sinew]

guys I think you are missing the point, its is weapons that don't have a lot of skins like throwing knives that need those

[remote swan]

riot shield skins

[novel quarry]

Squeak noise when you defib people and make cheese go everywhere :)

Also rats :D

Rats are very cool

[crisp heart]

Necronomicon defib skin

Heck, why not a DnD/Fantasy themed season. Barbarian Heavy with a giant axe, fireball pyro grenade skin, necronomicon defib, etc.

Dungeon map

[crystal epoch]

Cocktail Molotov skin for the pyrogrenade

[novel quarry]

Bubonic plague map event where rats just run around and nibble you

[crisp heart]

Rabid rats are not what the bubonic plague is all about but sure.

It's more their fleas

[copper sinew]

we just got a medieval japan themed season I feel like those would be too close, even with what season 4 has in store inbetween

[crisp heart]

How are samurai, ninja, power ranger too close to dragons, wizards and dwarves?

[novel quarry]

Times Square would probably a cool location for the next season if they keep following the trend of real place-fake place

Give me a stock broker themed cosmetic set

[copper sinew]

Coz we got a lot of skins for melee weapons that are swords and some armor skins etc.

It would be overload if they added more skins like that so quickly, even if they are from a completely different region, thematically

[crisp heart]

That one katana skin and samurai armor? Nah dude. A dungeon is thematically different from Japan

[copper sinew]

I could see it maybe for season 6 at the earliest really, more likely season 7 especially since I assume Embark doesn't just want to stick to one theme.

Tho so far the seasons have been:
Season 1 - casual movie references
Season 2 - a trip through the eras of gaming and some CNs stuff
Season 3 - fully medieval Japan themed
and Season 4 seems to be going back to the casual movie references with the (not)Indiana Jones skin and the (not)Rambo M60 skin with some Ospuz stuff mixed in.

But even if that was the intended rotation (which I don't expect it to be) it would mean season 6 at the earliest for anything strongly themed and even then there is so much stuff that is widely different and would probably by prioritized: Spy flicks, Pirate themes, Space exploration or Space operas, Mobster movies, even just Horror, tho I think they missed their mark with that as a theme for halloween this year

[reef vector]

no way

[copper sinew]

What difference really is there between Japan and Europe if all you do is run with a sword or a spear or a bow and wear some armor and maybe have some magic in there too.

Don't get me wrong I would love to see like a full mage set with a pointy hat and a starry robe, with skins for defib being necromancy and fireballs for pyro nades, but that might as well be one page in a generally themed battle pass, with some really heavliy RPG themed season coming much later dow the line

[crisp heart]

Idk man, a heavy carrying a dragon as an RPG would look cool. And looking cool is more important than your analysis

[copper sinew]

There is also the problem that if that was a seasonal theme we would very likely get more medieval weapons, but at this point each class has two melee weapons and lights have a bow and even if they weren't practically back to back, what can ou add?

Sure you could add literally magic attacks as weapons, that would be cool, but so far all of the weapons added had a style that fits with the general the Finals style in their base skin, and would those really fit that on their own? What else? A sword? An Axe? Can they really make those distinct enough from the two heavy weapons? I could see medium getting one of those, but they would still be close to what heavy can do.

Maybe a crossbow, that could be cool, perhaps as a sniper for heavy.

[valid jasper]

what light loadout is commonly used rn? been a long while since i played

[copper sinew]

xp-54, dashes as the spec, some kinda grenade, gate or stun gun and scans or vanish bomb. That's what I most commonly see.

[plain wasp]

Those last 3 all kinda suck

Goo is better

[copper sinew]

Yeah I noticed a lot more people have been running goo recently, but that's on every class and I still feel like every light has a stun gun glued to his hand

[lavish geode]

xp54 cloak stungun gateway and glitch is what’s meta rn I’m pretty sure

[valid jasper]

is grappling gun bad now?

[copper sinew]

I feel like all the specs for light are pretty equal right now

[valid jasper]

also the pistol feels stronger than the smg for me rn

[hardy dust]

As a flamer... rpg would be a waste

How can you have a dragon skin not be flamer

[crisp heart]

Or, we could have 2 dragon skins.one rpg and one flamethrower

[thin atlas]

Recurve Bow velocity is uhm
;~;
||Help bro 😭🙏||

[old zenith]

helloooo

is

[charred wing]

with the new season upon us i wanna see who can give me the most unique skins ideas for the new weapons coming or skins in general

[old zenith]

ayoo

[ashen slate]

we have lava guns now we need blocks of ice as guns
where the reload is just the gun melting and you pull up a new one from below

and for skins i want a fridge costume. cause i think it would be funny to cosplay as a fridge and use charge & slam

[charred wing]

love it

[plain wasp]

M1 garand

Maybe not unique but I need my pings

[restive plover]

@plain wasp

Your ping, sire.

[sweet trench]

I think they should do a fantasy medieval season. They could add like different spells as gadgets or weapons. Medium could have like a wand with three shots that could happen 6 shots per reload. The shots could be like a fire one that lights people on fire a splash damage one and a knock back one. They would all do like 45 damage and would be like a 0.4 second attack delay. Light could get like a rune kit. Holding left trigger allows you to choose which one runes you throw (out of 4 types) you would have like 25 shots and shoot off like 2 a second.
There could be homing, explosive, tracking and burst.
They would do less damage then the throwing knifes but would be thrown one at a time. Heavy would get a massive greatsword covered in symbols it would do burning damage to anyone hit by it main attack would be a slow swing across the horizontal and left trigger would be a stance that you charge for 2.5 seconds before launching high into the air then falling down with your feet on the greatsword like a pogo stick it would do heaps of damage (130-140) but if you hit someone on the way up they would get pinned to the end.
Event ideas medieval event: only melee weapons and the bow+ new magic weapons. Let me know good skin ideas you are thinking off with this season

[plain wasp]

Thanks bbg

[boreal laurel]

Just don’t anyone get too used to XP-54 as it looks to be getting a damage nerf in S4

[wet night]

Did they remove the riot shields lock on melee without me knowing it. It feels way harder to hit people now

[arctic fog]

maybe you have it off in settings

[broken notch]

Why don't developers just remove the SR?

The following is a message to a certain SR user

Hey, someone who was playing a target shooting game alone with SR in Power Shift! All four allies and all enemies died in a fight over the platform. There's no one on the platform or in the area around it. But the platform doesn't move forward because you didn't go on the platform for even a moment.

While we're dead and looking at your viewpoint, you're just looking through your scope from afar at the platform that doesn't move at all with the statues of the dead lying on it.

I don't know how many enemies you've killed, but we're moving forward on the platform while dying over and over instead of you who doesn't move at all.

[tidal cave]

I started playing this season so forgive me if it happened or has been suggested, but any chance we could get a molotov skin for the pyro grenade?

[plucky spade]

Cool af idea

[boreal laurel]

I love sword 😎

[hallow leaf]

i hope the explosive mine nerf doesnt make it into the live build

[dusky ember]

knowing the design time for cosmetics, i'm sure it will come one day. it would look really cool

[finite cradle]

People don’t look at the ground and then complain about lines being op

[turbid saddle]

LH1 is a pretty fun gun to use

[ashen hawk]

wait i went 2 yt to watch this guy who talked abt all the buffs and nerfs, and i thought i heard him say the glitch mine can only be deployed once.
but if what u said is true, then k, thats fine

[finite cradle]

That’s just what I’ve read and heard on YouTube. I hope I’m not wrong tho🤣

[ashen hawk]

hopefully ur not, cuz giving u one charge for an increased radius actually seemed balanced. not sure abt what happned to explosive mine tho

[timber igloo]

Hip fire is awful tho

Hope they buff it

[bronze spade]

gun is already cracked, why buff something something that is already good?

[timber igloo]

I meant buff the hip fire

The damage is good but hip fire is awful

[bronze spade]

i think thats the tradeoff most guns in this game dont really have good hipfire

[timber igloo]

Nah most guns have good hip fire.

[bronze spade]

compare to halo or titanfall nah

[timber igloo]

Well I ain't talking abt titanfall or halo

[bronze spade]

its a example of games having good hipfire, this game isnt hipfire centric and more ads

[timber igloo]

Hm I would argue otherwise cuz every other light gun has good hip fire, the Lh1 and sniper being the exception

[finite cradle]

I want whatever the fuck it is you’re smoking cause the sniper hipfire is extremely accurate

[timber igloo]

Hip fire

[finite cradle]

Yeah that’s what I said

[bronze spade]

not really, its a last ditch effort then a strat to use a weapon, hipfiring for a weapon like lh1 is begging to be used incorrectly

[timber igloo]

Well whenever I tried hip fire with it it wasn't great

[bronze spade]

also using the sniper like a shotgun is cringe

[timber igloo]

Not very convincing if most guns on light have good hip fire cuz then u might as well use it and when u have a gun that has pretty bad hip fire makes it seem wrong

[timber igloo]

Bro ur forgetting abt ppl that get close up to u then what u supposed to do?

[bronze spade]

i drop people fast who decide to hipfire

[bronze spade]

get out of sight and repostion, what are you doing getting up close

[finite cradle]

Say that to everyone that gets melted down from hipfire within 10 meters

[timber igloo]

Sure what abt hip fire from an xp or M11 think ur getting dropped fast

[bronze spade]

i ads with v9s, you're done, and i still prefer to ads with the m11 as headshots are more of a priority

[finite cradle]

You can’t be serious right now. You gotta go for revives, play the objective, and deal enemies that push you. It’s not always as simple as “reposition” when you have an enemy light on your ass

[timber igloo]

So I think the hip fire on Lh1 should be a lil more reliable at let's say 5-10 meters cuz that's how every gun is

[timber igloo]

U play on console or controller don't u

[bronze spade]

then choose a diffrent weapon, personaly i dont think snipers should be in this game as a loadout weapon

[bronze spade]

i play kbm, and melt kids

[finite cradle]

You must be silver talking like that

[timber igloo]

Sure don't belive u or u just abuse recoil smoothing

But ok

[bronze spade]

recoil smoothing is a not abuse its a mechanic to the game

[timber igloo]

U dumb I said U abuse it

[bronze spade]

you're dumb for stating its abuse

must be gold players oh well

[timber igloo]

Fine let me simplify U OVER USE it

[finite cradle]

V9 has deadly accurate hipfire and is extremely easy to hit heads with. You’re acting like we’re talking about hip firing people across the map. We’re talking about hipfire being good for about 10m max

[timber igloo]

Says a player who dosnt take into account that u can't always just reposition

And that people especialy lights stick to ur ass until one of u die

[finite cradle]

I’ll take that as a compliment considering I just called you silver💀

[bronze spade]

im not in silver tho

[finite cradle]

Act like it

[bronze spade]

even then i still prefer to ads, the hipfire is not always going to be a guaranteed kill

[timber igloo]

Up to 10 meters( on everything but the Lh1) it is

[dreamy hare]

now i know that ill pick engimo sponsor, because 80% of players run with iseult

[bronze spade]

i see holotow being the pick

[finite cradle]

Engimo fits are just clean

[dreamy hare]

holtow on 2nd place

[finite cradle]

iseult is 2nd for me

[bronze spade]

i see too many kids snipe and melee

[dreamy hare]

ill pick engimo only because of their background on player card

[timber igloo]

Cuz it's effective

[finite cradle]

Because it’s a viable strategy? Just like using the 1887 to shoot then melee or using the dagger to backstab and then melee after to essentially ohk heavies

[plucky spade]

Bro out there thinking the finals is a spy melee duel

He 100% has said to people 1v1 me in mge / rust with the most obnoxious set of rules

[bronze spade]

until you get beamed by a famas

[finite cradle]

Earlier today me and another medium both whiffed all our shots and just started throwing hands

[plucky spade]

Model duels be like that

[finite cradle]

What a stupid fucking thing to say. That logic can be applied to everything

_works until you get beamed by _

[plucky spade]

And

I hope to god embark devs don't take this chat too seriously

[timber igloo]

Well if u sniping and meleing I don't think ur gonna be 100 metres away from each other, also sounds like u haven't heard of movement to avoid the beaming

[finite cradle]

I don’t know the ways of discord

[finite cradle]

Nah fuck that; make it the gospel

[bronze spade]

you want to say im abusing a mechanic while its easy to quick scope and melee, there should be a delay between the melee

[plucky spade]

Every class has such a combo, cqc weapons are balanced around that

[timber igloo]

There are delays between meles💀

[bronze spade]

no the fuck there isnt

[plucky spade]

He mean between shooting and quick melee

[timber igloo]

Tbh he can cry abt that

[plucky spade]

He forgets it's called quick for a reason

[bronze spade]

nah this isnt cod

[timber igloo]

Who said it was?

[finite cradle]

Sent that as I was typing it

[timber igloo]

Also never said abusing smthing was bad (in video game context) just meant u over used it

[bronze spade]

what you kids do, is pick sniper then complain that you're not being able to hipfire with it, you guys are just not that smart

[timber igloo]

Nah I don't like sniper

[plucky spade]

Bro invented a whole ass group of people

Damn

[bronze spade]

if you're using sniper to quick scope and melee, you're playing the game wrong

[timber igloo]

It's for close range engagementa dummy, yk when the opp gets right in ur face

[finite cradle]

Ahhh I forgot that you don’t believe that a sniper should ever defend themselves at close range. You expect people to run away across the map before shooting back

[bronze spade]

i expect people to not use it like a shotgun

[plucky spade]

Then prove it ingame. Sniper handling is worse than every other weapon ingame pretty much

The light player is angry at light players

[bronze spade]

try saying that in quake when you miss a rail

[finite cradle]

Crazy thing is I’m not even a light player fr, I just like using the dagger and sniper in quick cash or bank it

[plucky spade]

What are you even talkin about

Bruh's just mad he got noscoped

[timber igloo]

Stop mentioning other games it's like u can't keep a conversation

[plucky spade]

It's ok i've been there too

[finite cradle]

Ho this isn’t quake

[bronze spade]

its like you guys dont get it

[plucky spade]

But quake has 0 similarities to the finals what do you mean

[bronze spade]

you wouldnt last on there, thats why shooters are dumbed down like this

[plucky spade]

The boomer's lost it

[bronze spade]

you use a sniper, expect to hit your shots dont resort to quick scope and melee,

[finite cradle]

You’re lucky I like this server enough to not say something disrespectful about your mother

[timber igloo]

Ohh ur an old timer got it

Weird ur arguing over a game with what u call a bunch of "kids"

[plucky spade]

Bro think gaming peaked in quake ( i understand your point but no )

[finite cradle]

Grandpa those weren’t your meds those were pez

[plucky spade]

You can go back to quake yk. It's still active

[bronze spade]

its not difficult to hit a quickscope and melee

[timber igloo]

So

[plucky spade]

And

[bronze spade]

make it more difficult

[finite cradle]

Just take out the scoping part entirely, we don’t do that around here. Shit give me irons on a sniper and I’ll be infinitely better with it

[bronze spade]

personaly i think the sniper should be more like the kraber and projectile

[plucky spade]

It's even easier to get beamed like this, and not rng dependent

[timber igloo]

Or how abt use the meta and get off the v9s it isn't great the xp is better

[bronze spade]

xp is over rated

[finite cradle]

Well congrats because it will be next season

[plucky spade]

It wouldn't solve your issue wtf?

[bronze spade]

v9s is still better

[timber igloo]

No it's not it's just good

[plucky spade]

Unless the sniper fires at 50 fps

[finite cradle]

Shhh he doesn’t realize it won’t change a damn thing at point blank range

[finite cradle]

I’d agree but you’re just objectively wrong

V9 feels nice to use but the xp is better

[bronze spade]

i can see the appeal in using hipfire at such a close range but its more of a trap

the game over all needs a better hipfire system

[plucky spade]

No?

[bronze spade]

yes because the bullet doesnt always go where you shoot it

[timber igloo]

No the Lh1 needs a buffed hip fire

[finite cradle]

Nah it works as is. It’s only good for super up close fights

[bronze spade]

if its 5m

[timber igloo]

No shit

[timber igloo]

10 meters aswell

[finite cradle]

I need to try it. I’m EE hunting in the practice range

[plucky spade]

Bro is trolling no shot

[finite cradle]

Has to be

[plucky spade]

Yep

The projectile for snipers i can agree but like, bro be having a degree in yappanese

[finite cradle]

Mans been saying some absolute wild shit, some of the hottest takes I’ve seen in this sub and I myself have said some out there shit

[bronze spade]

i dont care for the cashout rule changes

[plucky spade]

Feel like juking sniper shots should be possible but anyways snipers in games are always annoying

[bronze spade]

they are the hardest things to balance in a game

[timber igloo]

But u care abt someone wanting a hip fire buff for the Lh1

[bronze spade]

im a fan of them being a pick up or power weapon

[finite cradle]

Why’s it so fucking bad😭 I dumped the whole mag at a stationary target from 10m and only 1 round hit

[timber igloo]

FR

[plucky spade]

Cause high asf ttk

They want you to be slowed down to deal that damage or flank

[finite cradle]

Is it getting a sight?

[plucky spade]

S2 lh1 was like busted

[timber igloo]

Yes

Thank God for that

[plucky spade]

Think it's gonna make it op again, though med's 556 looks op as well

[finite cradle]

M14 is my favorite rifle irl but I never use it in the finals because it bounces so much I can barely see what the hell im shooting at

[plucky spade]

I love how they releasing semi auto weapons

Would also like to see weapons that deal knockback

[finite cradle]

Heavy needs a musket

Also replace the rpg with a colonial era naval canon

[plucky spade]

Ar lads, load the cannons

What too much monaco does to a person

[finite cradle]

Colonial era naval cannon loaded with grapeshot so it’s just one massive blast of die

[plucky spade]

Nah it deals 10dmg but sends you flying at mach fuck

Death timer would last less than coming back to the objective

[finite cradle]

Seriously tho they should’ve just made the rpg a specialization and give a really long cool down but it gets an insane blast radius

[plucky spade]

And you make sounds like the ones from the meme where kirby's falling

[mystic moon]

nerfing rpg is way too far there. 100 dmg? even a goddamn frag does more than that😅😅

[finite cradle]

Super Mario 64 wailing

[vale obsidian]

but frag have a fuse time

[finite cradle]

And less range, and it travels in an arc

[vale obsidian]

arc is actually a plus

[finite cradle]

also doesn’t cause even a fraction of the arena damage

[finite cradle]

That depends on the situation you’re in

[bronze spade]

gun is good enough as it it is

[mystic moon]

they r givin too much space to the light

[plucky spade]

When the 100 dmg is dispersed ( better than ks23) impacts instantly ( better than frag ) destroys walls ( further away than c4.
Yeah I think it's good

[timber igloo]

Well damage wise yes hip fire wise no

[vale obsidian]

huh?

[finite cradle]

I’m mad as fuck that lights have more arena damage potential than heavies. It makes no sense

[plucky spade]

Lights can live through a rpg quickmelee

Lights needed to do something else than dmg I guess

[bronze spade]

the rpg should be doing heavy arena damage but 50 damage to players

[finite cradle]

S4 is 100% gonna be season of the lights unless something changes

[plucky spade]

Now heavies are defense specialists/breathing room designers

[finite cradle]

Go to bed grandpa

[plucky spade]

You forgot that model / 556 exists

Bro 556 straight up merks

[bronze spade]

deagles as well

[finite cradle]

That’s fair but the new light shotgun is essentially just the model with slightly less damage and its way more forgiving

[bronze spade]

you mean the sa?

[finite cradle]

No because the SA is nothing like the 1887

[bronze spade]

the light shotgun seems more like the sa

[finite cradle]

Nah. It’s a pump action with 8 rounds in the mag and does damage close to that of the 1887

[mystic moon]

well one thing i cant understand is that why they took the recon gadgets away from mid and gave them to light

[bronze spade]

it will certainly reward those who use movement

[vale obsidian]

maybe they see light as an assassin and thought recon fit light better?
i guess?

[mystic moon]

high mobility and cloakin ability naturally grant the light 4 gaining intel advantage in a fight. i see no reason 4 adding more intel-gaining gadgets to the light.

[bronze spade]

call me crazy but light should be able to holser thier weapon and have the ability to wall run and do more parkour options

after all this is made by the people who made mirror's edge

[plucky spade]

Finally a sensible recommendation

Mirror's edge my beloved

[bronze spade]

like how cool would it be if light can holster thier weapon, wall run but cant fire thier gun for balance and run faster when weapon is holstered

[finite cradle]

Lights get 3 breach charges, 2 thermal bores.

Heavy gets 1 c4, 1 rpg shot, 1 explosive mine, sledge or ks, and charge/slam

Lights 2 gadgets give them 5 charges to destroy stuff with

Heavy with RPG, c4, and explosive mine only have 3 charges

If 2 breaches equals 1 c4 then that means light can cause more damage to the arena/players and still have 1 breach left over

A light putting down all 3 breach charges will now out damage c4 + RPG

It would require heavy to use 4/5 slots in a load out to outperform a light using breaches and thermal bore

[mystic moon]

while 4 the mid, as a support specialist in multiple aspect, it seems like intel is one of its businesses.

[finite cradle]

Was the second one any good?

[plucky spade]

Amazing movement

[finite cradle]

I haven’t played mirrors edge since like 2012. Only parkour heavy game I’ve played since then Is dying light 1/2

[plucky spade]

You should try it.

[finite cradle]

Unless you count stuff like assassins creed but they’re too different to compare imo

[finite cradle]

Just realized it’s on gamepass so I’m downloading it now. Idk when I’ll play tho since S4 drops today

[plucky spade]

Don't expect any amazing story, just remember that the feel has changed a bit.

[finite cradle]

I’m fine with that 12 year old me didn’t care about the story when I played the first one either. The game just looked fun to play so I permanently borrowed it from my cousin

[plucky spade]

And the set pieces are basically battlefield dice

[finite cradle]

Hell yeah. I’m actually excited to see what else embark cooks up in the future just because the devs have experience with those 2 games

Mirrors edge and battlefield seem like they would be massive green flags on a devs resume

[plucky spade]

Yep, and I love finals' parkour, it feels mirror's edgey.
Devs add wall running N O W

Even for Heavy, idc if he runs for 3 meters

[finite cradle]

I could see lights getting a specialization that temporarily increases moment speed and allows them to wall run. Kind of like the stim from titanfall

Honestly might be better on medium if they did something like that

[plucky spade]

Nah everyone gets it idc

I can see it being used on the construction areas in skyway stadium and seoul

[finite cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/run-failarmy-please-help-me-im-falling-fails-of-the-week-gif-18191936

Why’d it do that. That’s bullshit.

[finite cradle]

It would be great for the giant slanted walls on Kyoto

a climbing feature would be nice too. It would help with those ledges that are barely too high up to reach.

But with all of the destruction in the game I feel like wall running and climbing would be hard to implement without debris causing some serious issues

[plucky spade]

Really it's not that bad. I'm not sure how ME did it but every "wall" in game was considered wall runnable

And in the end of the day it's just a slightly complex calculation based on a standard reference plane i guess

[finite cradle]

Your character essentially gets glued to the surface. I just feel like it would have issues trying to run on the side of rubble and the weird angles it lands at might cause issues

Idk much about game development tho, might as well be nothing

[plucky spade]

That's a given for any game i guess, bugs are always s thing

[finite cradle]

They could try doing something where once a piece of a building breaks and falls it could get labeled as un wall runable

[plucky spade]

Sure

But honestly i feel like the destruction system could benefit from wallrunning, remember the falling platform in skyway on construction site side?

That would without fail always create a path up to the house with the billboard?

[hazy spoke]

heavy is still the only class that can breach on a regular basis with its weapons without having to wait till a cooldown is over

[restive plover]

wait did we not get a new specialisation?

[royal thicket]

Nope, doesn't seem like it

[restive plover]

i thought light was gonna get a new specialisation

[tawny mural]

Nerf Sniper pls

I hate snipers

Nerf it 🙏

[hazy spoke]

but its the most balanced weapon in the game

[bronze spade]

this game needs a freeze tag mode

[obsidian nexus]

Sword broken

[mellow musk]

3.1415926535897932384626face

Better name for real

[obsidian nexus]

cant wait to see a tenfold amount of lights in season4 stunning and xp54'ing u. getting crutched by their stungun. and u cant even punish lights anymore because they are gutting everything that counters them

[mellow musk]

Akimbos maybe

[obsidian nexus]

casual gamemodes are already full of lights

[mellow musk]

Ye I like obliterating them

[vale obsidian]

i can see that? but its is the most annoying

[mellow musk]

I can obliterate them with famas even it just needs skill

In s4 they both buffed and debuffed sniper

[sand monolith]

Nothing should counter an entire class

[hardy dust]

Xp is also getting a pretty big nerf

[vale obsidian]

is it gutted?

[turbid saddle]

I hope I can use the antj gravity cube more during the new season, I think it seems useful but it's very.. situational tbh

[chilly solstice]

Soon

[arctic fog]

Same it's only ever used when stealing or defending a cash out. Id like to see it get more utility.

[turbid saddle]

Agreed, I would like to use it to get someone high in the air and then grab em with the winch claw, no luck so far

[arctic fog]

I think it'd be interesting if the horizontal and vertical movement speeds of you and your teammates was increased while in the cube's area, but enemies kept the same speed.

[hallow compass]

yeah

[ashen hawk]

@quartz juniper real idk know wtf they give a balanced gun a nerf for no reason, just trash

[sand monolith]

AKM needed like a very small tuning down and that’s what it got

Its not a huge nerf

[junior ledge]

Kinda want m11 to become meta over xp this season ngl

[fickle radish]

what happened to akm?

[sand monolith]

4 less bullets

Very slight nerf which I think is perfect. Now it should never be touched again

[sand monolith]

Xp got a damage nerf

So it probably will be worse than m11

[junior ledge]

right

[sand monolith]

1 more bullet for lights and 2 for med and heavy

[junior ledge]

i heard by 2 dmg

[sand monolith]

Yeah from 18 to 16

[junior ledge]

yea the two extra bullets for med and heavy can easily kill u lol

[sand monolith]

Which I think is great. I hate when generalist weapons that are decent in all areas are good in this game

[fickle radish]

So 32 now?

[sand monolith]

Yes

[junior ledge]

i heard having a sight for the m11 makes it rlly nasty

[sand monolith]

The red dot on the m11 is so weird feeling but i was destroying with it so idk

The actual red dot is really bad it bounces around a ton. But the visual clarity provided by the sight is amazing

Same with V9S

[fickle radish]

Damm

[junior ledge]

hopefully the new medium gun will be good. saw some guy play with it for 5 mins at twitchcon early access then insta switched to copium model 😂

[icy sparrow]

Auto weapons with lower recoil should not have sight and long range weapons should not have iron sight cause it takes away positioning to get the optimal view

[sand monolith]

i would rather have weapons balanced around their stats than how they feel

[fickle radish]

I think that only real good and viable new gun might be the dual deagle

[sand monolith]

new medium rifle is STUPID strong

[fickle radish]

Maybe dmr without sight also

[sand monolith]

its like the same as the 3.0 lh1

[junior ledge]

ah sht lol, well new weapons need to be strong a f on release

[fickle radish]

Even if I like sights I think that sights were balancing the weapons. Now that you can change sights I'm curious to see how te gun balance goes

[sand monolith]

oscar made a great point which is that "if a gun becomes problematic because it has a red dot, the gun has bigger issues"