💣┇weapons-gadgets

[floral ore]

pyro grenade nope Its terrible for TTK potential in combat

might be another item ont he list that needs tweaking for sure to get more use

[spiral ferry]

i think its fine, it does a little of a lot

not best at any of those things

[floral ore]

the glitch trap similar to gas trap as well where you can place it on a seeling a floor below a team and detonate it and disable all of them before you swing

probably not intended but you can throw a motion tracker on a object and push it through a wall or floor and track people on the other side

again kind of team dependant to follow up

[spiral ferry]

on the presumable 2v3 you just made?

[blissful forge]

how do i equip skins and stuff

[spiral ferry]

the character editor has tabs at top

and also hovering over items theres an edit for them to style those

(also on character editor)

[floral ore]

I do agree though a lot of items are obsolete in comparison but they all have potential depending on level SBMM and team

[blissful forge]

i click on the stuff but it doesnt show that it equiped

[floral ore]

I do think the tracking dart is underrated and will be utilized more and more in higher level lobbies but still could use a buff for casuals

[spiral ferry]

it takes a utility slot

what do you replace?

[floral ore]

yah thats the sacrifice but also if your witha team they cover the other end of utilities

[blissful forge]

i found now

[floral ore]

I either run defib / frag / gas or swap gas with dart

[spiral ferry]

you replaced sonar?

[floral ore]

just depends on how good the teams are usually I can recognize a few names for higher skilled 3 stacks and know the dart will slow down them a lot..

[floral ore]

what do you mean? I still run the sonar if im IGL

[spiral ferry]

sonar grenade

[floral ore]

yah I dont use it as much with recon and good comms less needed if nooone ran recon then sonar would be back in play

the lack of audio in a lot of cases causes you to guess throw them and its kinda a waste

but works the same when people start getting ping by sonar they slow their roll

[spiral ferry]

i think higher level players dont need to respect the dart so much

people running around with recon anyway

[floral ore]

they do though I play a lot of matches with top 500 3 stacks and it works as intended

2 darts and spawn familiarity it gets pretty precise

tag their mediums they wont push for the 10 seconds in fear of getting targeted and beamed

also based on timing if they are entering a final push to cap attempt thats a win/loss situation they stop in their tracks every time

if you are playing bronze players who dont care then yah its useless

it also does a decent job at highlighting a target and my team does the reverse well mark 1-2 players and recon the 3rd if the 3rd splits well acctually focus fire them easily because we can avoid the trakced targets

also gives solid info they are coming to rez etc and then the gas nade goes out and stops that etc etc

[spiral ferry]

if it works it works, I am not so convinced long term that people will still respect it

[floral ore]

I agree it will change a lot

[spiral ferry]

unless they nerf medium sonar

[floral ore]

I think it will get popular later for a short time till the new meta or change comes

would you prefer med sonar nurf or the nuke barrels first?

[spiral ferry]

i would prefer C4 and RPG nerf

[floral ore]

I also enjoy the dart over sonar some times because I guess im blind but I cant really identify L/M/H with sonar so when I swing and catch a heavy nuke i wouldnt have swung if I could tell the dif

[narrow patrol]

[spiral ferry]

1 c4 and rpg not 1 shot lights

[floral ore]

I think its fair to 1 shot a light I think the accuracy of it needs to be on point and force lights to a bit more careful its the weird radius that upsets me non direct hits

[spiral ferry]

it has enough utility as is

[floral ore]

they defintily dont need both

[spiral ferry]

it could do 0 damage and its stil considerable

[floral ore]

and there needs to be more punishment for shooting a light of their feet

off their feet and surviving

[spiral ferry]

literally if they dont have dash they cant avoid getting oneshot with rpg, and thats insane to me

[floral ore]

yah I agree and i complain about it a lot but at the same time on a competative level if it ever gets there comms and intel prevent that identify the heavy know the obvious of them having that kit and make sure your light isnt rambo diving in first

[haughty juniper]

To be fair, MOST of the rpg kills I get as a heavy on lights are lights being WAYYY out of position. Pushing when they shouldn't, trying to solo flank before their team commits to the fight, or just other typical soloq stuff. It's not hard to see the heavy has RPG, or to at a minimum expect they might - wait til they use it or wait to put yourself in such a position

[floral ore]

yah that exactly<<

again sucks for casuals but for competative mentality its very avoidable

[spiral ferry]

heavys would still sometimes pick rpg at 75 damage

[floral ore]

as the competative scene grows youll see more of people baiting and luring out those cool down utilities

I was running APS turret on a chair during opening pushes that would save myself or team from an opening barrell

[raw mortar]

how much in-game currency you get from winning a quick play? and what is the best way to farm this currency?

[spiral ferry]

for unlocks its like 100/game

its all about equal so play whats fun and the time goes faster and better

[haughty juniper]

right; game is super young right now so people are just 'bad'. even the 'good' players aren't as good as the 'good' players will be in season 2. lots of learning going on across the board.

[floral ore]

yah thats the radius issue its deal 150 and like 75-80 damage dpeneding on inpact radius thats what id like to see change

[spiral ferry]

its fine at 0 damage you know

[floral ore]

agreed

[raw mortar]

thanks!

[spiral ferry]

its the longest range no-setup cap interupt

[haughty juniper]

Yeah I think proximity-based dmg in a radius would be fine, but direct hit IMO dmg should be the same. It's really not that hard to bait or dodge, it has a lengthy CD (if you're fighting long enough for a heavy to have 2 rpg charges then you're just not fighting well), and the reality is that otherwise heavy's kit is increasingly being pushed towards big, slow melee/tank, which just gets boring to play real fast when literally everyone can kite you forever. Lewis gun is a bit OP right now but that + RPG are really the only things getting heavy's any real combat score. Otherwise we're just basically a slow walking shield bot. Boring AF after a couple matches.

[floral ore]

yah that was my original statement I think its completely fair to 1 hit lights with an RPG but I also expect it to be a direct hit I think they need to modify the radius or create more radius options and damage ranges for it because it really seems to be like 2 different radius and 2 damage options

[spiral ferry]

i would expect direct hit only as the nerf, and its likely sufficient

but i also think RPG is an autoinclude with that nerf

[haughty juniper]

lol, but how direct is direct? hit the chest? hit on the ground at the feet? headshot only? you're oversimplifying lol. this is why proximity-radius is just a more scalable/predictable system

[spiral ferry]

uh direct hit as in on hitting a character does +75 or something

[floral ore]

I would like them to look at the barrells and C4 as well because its not the damage that gets me its the weird behavior in its radius sometimes I think its bugged and related to the objects being attached to the barrell and the c4 like spreading to the range of the barrell

[spiral ferry]

75 in a blast +75 on collision with character

[floral ore]

if you ever get hit by a gas barrell thats C4ed the radius is obsurd some times

[spiral ferry]

c4 nerf is obvious

[floral ore]

I mean I wouldnt be against that

[haughty juniper]

c4/nukes have alrerady been nerfed twice.

[spiral ferry]

just make it 1 c4

[floral ore]

yah they nurfed the damage but I dont think they addressed the weird radius behavior which is what makes them so potent

[haughty juniper]

heavy's not the only class with c4 btw.

[spiral ferry]

yes it is

[haughty juniper]

Sorry, 'explosive device kinda like c4'. breach charges, etc

[floral ore]

the lights c4 doesnt work the same on the barrells

they have a small radius and seem to explode idpendantly of the barrell

[spiral ferry]

breach barrels are fine

[haughty juniper]

regardless, we have these maps full of destructible elements and feel like half the community keeps advocating for less ways to destroy things, lol

[floral ore]

however a decent medium trick is using to landmines on a barrell and chucking it

[floral ore]

lol

[spiral ferry]

gtg, nice chat :0

[vagrant shadow]

Watch this for ZERO RECOIL The Finals How To Have ZERO Recoil and Better Aim! (EASY)
https://youtu.be/Ox6bZV5Rn_s

[dreamy turret]

I think no

[muted meadow]

feel the model 18 needs a cheeky buff, even just a slight headshot multiplier it feels satisfying yet so inconsistent and not being able to 1 shot a light is rough

[quiet osprey]

Damage is fine, imo. Reload is just overly punishing, they should speed it up just a smidge

[silk viper]

Agreed

[lament cloak]

Agreed!

[proud parcel]

awful take.

[regal wyvern]

model 18 needs reload buff so every reload is two shells not the two one two

[primal cloak]

why is the double barrel on lights so strong :/ they double tap heavies

[junior geyser]

because it’s the super shotgun, obv it’s good

[untold frost]

They should turn the reload up so that they can keep the two shot but punish people for missing and raise the skill gap

[rose inlet]

https://youtu.be/moBgG4RVr-w?si=VXTQvfBXK7XIiz9A

[primal cloak]

I wish the flamethrower would get a damage buff even if its super small

[frank portal]

why medium gunshot is trash when light and heavy gunshots just burn everyass

[frank portal]

Its must be deleted imho

[rose inlet]

https://youtu.be/moBgG4RVr-w?si=VXTQvfBXK7XIiz9A

[frank portal]

ok, and?

[primal cloak]

the flamethrower is the only fun gun imo

[frank portal]

its a tactical game, fun is searching a winning way

[rose inlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IreHicGCDbo

[frank portal]

even not winning, actually just playing

[frank portal]

ok, and?

[rose inlet]

cheatertr^

[frank portal]

ok, and?

[frank portal]

lol, infinity ammo

[primal cloak]

nah if I can't have fun in a game with the weapon(s) I want to use then it isn't a game worth playing

[frank portal]

well point

[regal wyvern]

medium shotgun is their best gun. get gud 🗿

[frank portal]

iyho?

[errant vessel]

WHat it really needs is a range buff

I don't want to shoot a lighter, i want a flameTHROWER

I think the damage and all is good on it now, just not for the range it has.

[cloud oar]

Heavy C4 nuke barrels are the goat.

[regal wyvern]

huh

[uncut badge]

Glich nade or c4?

[errant vessel]

Flamethrower

[autumn moon]

Flamethrower is quite op

[errant vessel]

Not at all

[uncut badge]

I like the db im a basic bich ik

[errant vessel]

It USED to be

[autumn moon]

Depends on how you use it and against what

[errant vessel]

The problem is that It is out ranged, and out damaged by the shotgun.

[autumn moon]

That’s true

[errant vessel]

So, give it some more range..keep the damage as is, and maybe allow 1-2 more ticks of fire after..i think its at like 3 ticks right now

[autumn moon]

I think 5 ticks, but can be wrong

Seems to be 25 damage

[errant vessel]

But right now it feels like a Musk flamethrower lol

[autumn moon]

[wild bloom]

if you are at 4/6 bullets it literally takes your character 4 shells that they need to put in before you get 6/6 its so dumb

[deep light]

what’s the most important specials and gadgets my team should use as a MMH lineup

[wild bloom]

Defib and dome shield are required basically

[deep light]

yeah i’m having the most problem with wether or not the heavy should have the mesh shield or the goo gun for blocking off entry while defending and also on top of that if the two mediums should run both heal or one turret and one heal

[quiet osprey]

Goo gun is love, goo gun is life.

[wild bloom]

The goo gun is sick but as long as 1 guy has fire your defense turns into the enemy teams damage

[deep light]

but it still wastes their time and it give away position too

[wild bloom]

True but i feel the shield is still more useful in other situations

[deep light]

idk just a thought and it’s making it very hard to decide

[quiet osprey]

shield is very 🥱 🥱 goo gun is exciting and fun

I don't play ranked though so I'm just a pleb

[nova jolt]

i like the shield

[ashen drum]

catch this glitch grenade

[rocky path]

The Riot Shield needs a buff

[plucky wolf]

Hehe

[feral veldt]

How long does the Vanishing bomb last?

[frigid arch]

35 seconds

[covert helm]

What’s considered a ranged weapon, apart from the sniper and LH1 on light?

[chrome sapphire]

everything but dagger and sword

[covert helm]

Even the smgs?

[chrome sapphire]

It's either ranged or meele. The effective range is a different question.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17oI_V64feUYkiHrT5YGFE6kNGTCvfNaNiUiwrk9IITc/edit#gid=655924873

[nova jolt]

[restive plover]

they need to add something to throw on an explosive like c4 for medium class, annoying i cant one shot ppl like tanks

[jagged seal]

So far from my playing experience, even with glitch nades and glitch mines, med's turrets need a nerf. either how much damage they do or reduce the HP, People are hella abusing it and the turrets feel like they are as strong as a heavy and tanky like a heavy.

Oh mines also need a nerf, there can be wayy too many on the field at once and mine stacking is crazy, sometimes the mines don't even work, i swear i see enemies stepping on my mines and nothing happens

[snow sundial]

Glitch grenade/mine nerfs em

[snow sundial]

Light Build Equipment Idea:
Morphine Injection (3x)
Allows you to heal yourself/teammates with 50 health each injection

or crack (3x)
10x speed increase

[narrow patrol]

more

[patent venture]

3* heals for 50 would be busted

[brave yew]

add this as a throwable weapon and it wouldnt be animal abuse since the finals is just advanced vr

[lone sundial]

Make pokeballs to put naughty heavys inside

[pearl gyro]

please make the healing gun have a cooldown bc otherwise the mediums just spam healing the heavies

[pearl prism]

Glitch nade 🤯

[pearl gyro]

oh lmao my bad

[brazen kiln]

healgun is not infinite, it overheats and you can out dps the hps.

[patent venture]

Alright, screw meta this meta that, whats your favourite colour for the basic tool levels?, i personally like the blue

[patent venture]

it litteraly does though, though yeah you barely see it since its pretty hard toa chive

[regal wyvern]

white

[patent venture]

based

[regal wyvern]

it looks clean af

[patent venture]

mmm, i've been playing a lot of heavy recently so i wanna get red to go with guitar

[proud parcel]

The rpg is still completely fucking stupid. Why embark refuses to change the rpg to be a destruction tool instead of a tool for some dogshit heavy ape to rpg the feet of the first player he sees is beyond me.

[hearty verge]

Based on what?

[patent venture]

Its slang, to sorta say like thats a good opinion, not the best way to explain it but thats sorta the basics of it ( the base if you will ).

[hearty verge]

Lmao you ok there buddy?

[fading kite]

he was trying to help you nerd

[patent venture]

im tryna explain what based means

[hearty verge]

No, he's just not aware of what I said, neither are you. The questions is: How?

[upbeat heart]

What is the Best weapon for M

[patent venture]

fcar is the general consensus, i still stand by ak being better but its between those 2, but theres no bad med weapon aside from (arguably) riot shield, so whatver you like most but rn, its fcar or akm

[polar spindle]

Being f2p having yellow everything kinda goes hard

[hearty verge]

AKM

[zealous ridge]

I mainly play med so got my kit red, looks price nice imo, about the get my shotgun to lvl 6 ^^

[upbeat heart]

Can I turn off my vibration on my controller?

[patent venture]

im personally not a massive fan of yellow but fair fair

[zealous ridge]

Yes, should be on the bottom row

[polar spindle]

Most of the account level skin customisation is yellow And the nama tama 250credit raincoat is all yellow so I look like a big minion heavy charging through the stratosphere

[upbeat heart]

How do I change my binds in my keyboard and mouse

[zealous ridge]

should be on the keyboard and mouse settings folder

[upbeat heart]

On my Xbox

[zealous ridge]

pretty sure you can't do that

[upbeat heart]

Oh ok

[patent venture]

Ohhh right your talking about the clothing im talking about the gun colour but i respect the drip nonetheless 🔥

[hazy meteor]

V9S worth the unlock?
Or better to stick to SG+cloak or SMG+dash

[rugged crest]

v9s still pretty good atleast it fs still melts light players

[restive plover]

smg + dash is goated

[stone heart]

What’s the fastest way to level up your guns? I’ve gotten my heal gun maxed but I feel like 1k xp a match is so tiring

[raw sail]

click on other players heads

[stone heart]

Rip

[flat quest]

What’s the best things to run on light?

[autumn root]

I think that if we lower the time on stun guns from 45 seconds to 40 seconds mediums/heavies might be able to counter it

[tulip isle]

best thing to run on light is your cursor for a half-second while picking medium or heavy bc they are better

in reality
mp5 - stun, glitch, your choice

dash and invis are both good. double barrel is gonna get nerfed i wouldnt crutch on it. m11 and v9s are also good but mp5 is best.

[patent zinc]

Smoke clear gas?

[agile badger]

smoke clears fire
fire clears gas

[patent zinc]

Gas clear smoke?

[warm lion]

no

[patent zinc]

Alrighty, thanks for the responses

[rich sorrel]

Yeah, mp5 probably going to get nerfed as well, and I'm going to take a wild guess and say they might mess with the invis cooldown. Stun gun probably needs a nerf assuming it doesnt get one. 5 seconds of movement lock, ability lock, and ADS cancel is a bit too much. one of these needs to go or the stun needs to be shorter

[wild rain]

I think medium need better guns

[rich sorrel]

A big issue I am noticing with gameplay is that they don't seem to know what they want the ttk to be. Medium feels like it has the most "fun" ttk, but it falls behind due to the light having an incredibly fast damage output, and the heavy having a split between really fast and terribly slow ttk

mediums guns feel really good to me, It just isnt supported by the rest of the game very well

the throwing knives have a similar ttk to medium, but too slow for how light is expected to play

[wild rain]

Throwing knives are a bit rough though.

And I get what you mean

[rich sorrel]

the knives come out a little delayed, I think the first knife comes out when your character visually throws the second, that has gotten me a couple times

they also just don't do the damage they need to, to be worth running the risk of not being hitscan and slow firerate. I agree with them being rough

[wild rain]

There is an easy fix, either they speed up the fire rate or the up the damage

I do think they are alright as they are but the fire rate could go up

[hot anchor]

someone is spamming
in all channel

[rich sorrel]

Medium could use a stability fix aswell, I play on console and while the guns aren't too hard to aim, they are notably annoying to control with the speed most characters end up moving

[hot anchor]

@spice oxide hello there~ check out spammer

[hot anchor]

console hav.... aim assist

[dim estuary]

Do you all feel like the guardian turret is overpowered

[agile badger]

no

[hot anchor]

nop\

[rich sorrel]

aim assist doesnt help with recoil jitter, and yeah triple medium 2 turret and 1 heal is crazy right now

[dim estuary]

I feel like it’s accuracy and dps can ruin a fight

[rich sorrel]

it needs either a firerate nerf, or a health nerf

[hot anchor]

i think if turret really need nerf then its their HP

[dim estuary]

Yeah that would make it way more fair

[hot anchor]

kinda tanky, and it reset with no penalty for its re-setup \after it is nearly destroyed

[rich sorrel]

at minimum, make it have a tracking delay so that it doesnt have god accuracy at any range other than hugging distance

[tulip isle]

dunno why turrets are still in games
they arent fun to use or fight and just make balancing jank

[ember talon]

Gadget idea : a padlock to lock the door and would oblige enemies to destroy it 🥹 I'd love this when fleeing from a fight

[hot anchor]

I bet pyro do same effect

[frozen ruin]

You think this would be fun to play against?

[ember talon]

It'd be as frustrating as many other gadgets https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1011661947990704209.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&size=40

[agile badger]

how would you destroy a padlock on the other side of the door

[frozen ruin]

Goo does the exact same thing... Put goo right in front of the door, problem solved. Padlock = goo

[ember talon]

You've got a point

[frozen ruin]

Can also put a jump pad in a door way making it impossible to go through without breaking the pad

[warm lion]

it'd also be useless when all the doors are gone lol

[mental swift]

C4 on barrels needs some kind of nerf, this is the most braindead thing in the game.. throw 1 barrel - team wipe.. for my opinion if c4 is placed on barrels they shouldnt be throwable or something, 0 skill needed to kill , espacialy if you can shoot rpg right after it to finish the rest

[warm lion]

just shoot the barrel lol

[rugged crest]

i like the oil grenade idea maybe oil gun with flint n steel

and if u stand on oil u slip

[agile badger]

i agree because i want faceplant animations

[rugged crest]

i want the oil to change the friction on the ground so ur momentum is nasty and u slide hella

maybe give light a defib type gadget that they place on a teamates body and revives them in 5 or so seconds.. could have a longer cooldown than defib.. would reward light players who can successfully swoop in and recover teamates bodies, allowing them to revive them and return to the battle quickly.. lights dont really have much team interaction and im sure its designed that way.. maybe they can have like a regen grenade they can hit themselves/teamates with

[sleek bramble]

I unlocked heavy granade launcher and I love it. I killed more people than usual and ı defended cashout. It is usefull.

[rugged crest]

give grapple 2 charges just cuz it buns let em spiderman

[worn lantern]

Can we get a nuf on medium the fcar and defibrillator not fun at all to play light and heavy pz😭😭😭😭

[hidden crypt]

you trollin on the defib right?

[torpid galleon]

i really want a BOW

I want to feel like fking katniss in the hunger games, just more modern

[limpid cliff]

wdym bro

[limpid cliff]

low key best item in game

[spiral pilot]

can light class get a claymore kind of gadget, similar to a mine, less damage but easier to activate with like lasers?

[jagged falcon]

but i mean like isnt that more of a medium kinda thing cuz light is more of a hit and run and medium is kind of a point denial like with their mines and turrets and stuff dont get me wrong i love the idea but think itd fit better on medium

[agile badger]

medium already has 3 different mines, i don’t think they need another one

[spiral pilot]

i played alot of shooters and all of the recon/sniper kind of classes had claymores available, good to back them up when sniping, which light does

[jagged falcon]

idk who theyd add it to but they should add it

[jagged falcon]

ight who else feels like the sniper on light needs a (and i cannot stress this enough) SLIGHT damage buff, and a SLIGHTLY slower firerate, make body shots do 140 and headshots do 215, BUT its .25 seconds slower between shots, or 150 body,225 head but .5 seconds slower between shots

DISCLAIMER: i dont play light, idk what the light community's ideas on the sniper is, but this is something that I feel would make the sniper/long range light a little bit better cuz last time i went light against a light with a sniper, i could always survive because id just make it hard to hit heads and my medium would heal me so i feel like a damage buff would be good yall

[unreal oasis]

I recently unlocked Lv. 5 sniper skin and after playing for a while I'd actually suggest a change in the other direction. Damage imo is in a fine place (i get why we can't 1 shot headshot mediums) but making the cycle speed in between bullets slightly faster may make it a little easier to finish off picks before they can duck to cover. Or make it where if your still zoomed in through the scope after your first shot your next shot get's that faster cycle speed (to prevent quick scope exploiting in close quarters.)

also I'll add that body shot + melle = kill on a light player which feels like cheating if you can get a hip fire shot off (though I use dash so it's a bit easier to chase after low players.)

[jagged falcon]

again dude i dont play light so idk what is needed i play pt defense medium

[hidden crypt]

im saying like what is bro yappin anout

[digital pasture]

Anyone having issues trying to defib people when their token is in a bush, snow bank, etc.?

[frozen ruin]

But this isn't COD, and you're not quite meant to solo targets from a far? Why not coordinate with a teammate on the targets you hit. I've found amazing success running LLM where one light runs sniper and the other runs a close/mid range option. If you coordinate well you can rip through targets.

[soft juniper]

Does anyone thing that adding a new type of damage would be cool like Ice/freeze?

[thorn pelican]

no

[cerulean bolt]

I have this problem too so sometimes I pick them up and revive them somewhere

[digital pasture]

Yeah it's not always viable to do that.

[cedar dome]

what nade should I use in light build, currently Im using frag smoke and breach, I wanna replace smoke

[haughty juniper]

Yes, known issue - pretty much any particles (including plant leaves, items, chair legs, etc) will block rez

[keen verge]

fast mag, laser sight

[unreal oasis]

The main point I’m trying to make is the sniper imo is lights weakest weapon for team fights in a lot of ways atm. Mainly from a (your far away from a team fight in most scenarios and are usually easy to beam or chase down).

In the chaos of an open brawl/cash out it can be useful yes, but most fights take place indoors, so having a faster cycle speed to hopefully secure that medium/heavy you just hit 2-3 times would make it a little easier in securing picks for your team. Especially if you hit a headshot, makes it more lethal without having to change/alter damage.

[quiet osprey]

Need more old timey weapons like a Sparks LRR as seen in Hunt Showdown and BF1 🤠

[tender mango]

dude i just "discovered" an amazing strat, so you need an explosive such as c4,remote, or landmines, with it you need to toss the explosive then melee it at the right time. For landmines you need to insta melee and others you need timing. This idea isnt 100% original as I saw someone discuss this with something else niche. this idea could be rly helpful is theres an invis nearby and u glitch landmine on urself so hes revealed or you could use an explosive to make like a super melee attack, ive tried it and it nearly one shots mediums and brings heavys low.

[quick grove]

dude i just "discovered" an amazing strat, so you need an explosive such as c4,remote, or landmines, with it you need to toss the explosive then melee it at the right time. For landmines you need to insta melee and others you need timing. This idea isnt 100% original as I saw someone discuss this with something else niche. this idea could be rly helpful is theres an invis nearby and u glitch landmine on urself so hes revealed or you could use an explosive to make like a super melee attack, ive tried it and it nearly one shots mediums and brings heavys low.

[torn linden]

Nerf the rpg already

[maiden sigil]

is it possible to press a button to change to the last gadget? like the triangle button on controller

[astral mauve]

lf permanent squad for ranked im silver

[keen jacinth]

Get rid of the stun gun or give it to a different class

[rich quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[rugged crest]

chickeeennnn i decided to get the finals after watching ur sniping vids gs m8

[rugged crest]

wind cannon that blasts people through walls

and blasts the user away

[fair beacon]

a stim that heals like 50hp and gives a move speed boost ex: gives a medium the speed of a light

[rugged crest]

interesting i was thinking of giving light that but could work for medium

[mystic crest]

Hi

[hollow bloom]

So why does this look like a discount CS Azimov skin

[dreamy turret]

Bingo

It looks mid but idk what your talking about

[slender wing]

Sword needs better skins

[raven pewter]

do shotguns not have headshot multiplier?

[dreamy estuary]

nuke OP

[spark echo]

Gas mask?

[sharp mantle]

Yes that shit be dope

[soft juniper]

The best way I could see it working would be slowing down all movement, decreasing fire rate, and reload speed think of it like hitting someone with a slow motion button but another idea would be a splash grenade of healing.... also while tryping this out another cool idea would be Acid watching that shit eat through walls and floor would be cool

[sharp mantle]

Acid should be with medium like an acid gun or sum shi medium dont have any destruction

[soft juniper]

Sounds about right

[autumn root]

yes

[rugged stratus]

Beta had soooo many good skins for it (not many but they were very good)

[lost hawk]

asd

[lone shell]

the golden sword is fire!!!

no?

[hearty verge]

No

[whole frost]

How is heavy's getting an RPG AND being able to have a grenade launcher at the same time fair

[hearty verge]

He big, you small

[whole frost]

That doesn't make up for him being able to ONE SHOT ME FROM HALF WAY ACROSS THE MAP, AND STILL USE AN LMG AT THE SAME TIME

[hearty verge]

Yes it does? The point of heavy is to pvp hard.

[whole frost]

So me being a little smaller makes up for him being able to have basically two secondaries and use a bunch of good gadgets

[hearty verge]

Yes.

[remote parcel]

dude i just "discovered" an amazing strat, so you need an explosive such as c4,remote, or landmines, with it you need to toss the explosive then melee it at the right time. For landmines you need to insta melee and others you need timing. This idea isnt 100% original as I saw someone discuss this with something else niche. this idea could be rly helpful is theres an invis nearby and u glitch landmine on urself so hes revealed or you could use an explosive to make like a super melee attack, ive tried it and it nearly one shots mediums and brings heavys low.

[crimson cloud]

Bro heavy are so cheated... Why they have so many life and so many weapon do incressed Damage ????? nerf heavy man

[nova pike]

will they ever nerf invis on light. or atleast add a cooldown between re-activation?

[soft juniper]

Having more sword skin would be nice but we will need to wait. In my opinion they should be addressing balancing alittle then give us new content like new maps, Weapons, Gadgts and sprinkling some skins hear and there

[soft juniper]

Heavy does what his class is ment to do Big tanky wall + destruction/Damage the down side is there size and speed makes him an easy target

[slender wing]

Pretty basic though

[lone shell]

Really?

[slender wing]

A full gold skin is just basic imo, not really creative

[sweet shuttle]

Does the flashbang flash your allies?

[hot anchor]

yep

yea night vision is actually not too bad

[thick zealot]

There's so many butthurt light players in this chat

[serene sapphire]

I heard goo guns no longer glob players on the spot, is that true?

[bright hill]

It not

[soft juniper]

No it does I was clowning on people with it and the flame thrower last night

[serene sapphire]

I guess I'll have to make the most of it. Cause it fun

[soft juniper]

Even if there stuck in place for a Moment it’s enough time to do something + I love being creative with the goo gun

[soft juniper]

I’m a light main and I know what’s a difficult match up but it does feel like a lot of light players don’t understand that

[undone birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ho1Cjt23RY

[soft juniper]

That’s exactly what it is 100%

Fun thing is if your 1v1 you have enough time to pull your gun out shoot then for a little damage then goo again

Also does anyone else get surprised when there really good with a weapon they didn’t expect to be with? For me it’s the riot shield

[serene sapphire]

Me when the riotshield stops my sledgehammer: "oh crumbs..."

[wild rapids]

bro I'm pretty sure its hard NOT to be good with the riot shield. Most players have 0 idea how to strafe and just get rolled by it

[karmic iron]

i agree

i saw a bat skin and a stick skin they are pretty cool

need more skins that change the model not just texture

[fair nacelle]

how much does breach charge do?

[sullen tree]

I think like 156. it's enough to kill a light and tickle a heavy.

[soft juniper]

I don’t see a lot of riot shields players actually use the shield part and go full swing

[soft juniper]

Breach is really nice but I have gotten so use to not using it that it feels weird to use it

[raven pewter]

can we actually have weapon balance this is ridiculous

like why do i have to spend fucking 4 hours grinding to get the money for one weapon and it's literal SHIT

like why do have to hit every buckshot pellet??? I have two shots you literally have no margin for error

"better hope your pellets hit lololol" i hope the devs lose their homes

[warm lion]

sounds like a skill issue

[raven pewter]

You sound like you don't go outside

[warm lion]

you sound like someone who doesn't two shot everybody with the double barrel

[raven pewter]

yeah i have this thing called a job I can't spend every waking moment playing with my joystick it's real unfortunate 😭

[warm lion]

you can just run stun gun so they stop moving

[raven pewter]

if i have to tailor my build around making a weapon usable that's just bad game design

like yeah i know the shotgun is broken if you stack invis but that shit's actually boring

[warm lion]

nah you mad cause you bad
simple

[raven pewter]

Touch grass. Simple.

[warm lion]

likewise

[raven pewter]

I'm not the one telling people to nolife a video game when they criticize it lmao that doesn't apply to me. good try though kid

[warm lion]

i never said to no life it lol

[velvet chasm]

Feel like you should no life it

[raven pewter]

whenever anyone says "skill issue" or "get good" that literally means to nolife it. some of us actually contribute to society for a living and can't spend 100% of our time dedicated to a f2p battlepass shooter that's gonna be dead in a year.

[velvet chasm]

Just quit your job bro its that simple

[raven pewter]

so true!!!

[velvet chasm]

Yeah but your right about the "skill issue" and "get good" thing

[raven pewter]

legit man like all of the nolives who say shit like that don't have real jobs or skillsets so they cope with that by tryharding people who do

all the DB shotgun needs is the headshot mp applied at close range like the pistol

[hearty verge]

What the hell do you expect man

If you want a game that caters to your job-skill issue balance then play dice

What a silly argument
And yes I play the finals 16 hours a day

[raven pewter]

okay then I don't value anything you say lmao it's pretty simple

get a job and go outside before you say anything like that to me

[hearty verge]

Skill issue.

[raven pewter]

More like smell issue, because I can smell your shower-avoidant ass through my screen and speakers.

[ruby hull]

Does unlocking a gadget on 1 build unlock it on others, i.e. the gas grenade

[hearty verge]

Provide evidence other than straight up racism as to why this would be the case?

[raven pewter]

lmao did I strike a nerve?

[raven pewter]

One would assume, my friend. As long as the equipment is actually usable on other builds.

[ruby hull]

I appreciate the feedback!

[hearty verge]

No, you're just a silly billy. Git Gud

[raven pewter]

Git job.

[hearty verge]

Why?

[raven pewter]

Not even going to dignify that with a response.

[stark belfry]

FCAR>

[storm wigeon]

i was dissapointed to find that i couldn't rocket jump with the heavy rl

[warm lion]

No
It literally just means you bad
Get good

Also should've went to the practice range first to test the weapons

[soft juniper]

Nah dude keep trying it will work eventually 🤣

[raven pewter]

Get a job.

[warm lion]

The audacity to say this shit when you just suck lol

[vapid ridge]

is there any weapon that feels similar to the sniper?

[soft juniper]

LH1 might be the closest if your light

[vapid ridge]

thanks! any for the other body types too?

[warm lion]

Not really no

[gleaming gyro]

No weapons in this game have proper scopes? Seems all use iron sight? Lame :/

[warm lion]

There's like 3

[gleaming gyro]

Cant you lvl up weapons and attsch attachments like in warzone?

[neon pelican]

Do you think they’ll change that in future or it’ll be sight less?

[warm lion]

No
This game does not want to become cod

[soft juniper]

If your like shooting from a farm Revolver has farthest range on medium and for Heavy there isn’t really a good long distance weapon besides Lewis

[storm wigeon]

what the fuck.

[vapid ridge]

Thanks! I dont really play heavy anyways so the revolver should do

[warm lion]

Ikr

[hearty verge]

Genuinely explain why would one work?

[soft juniper]

If you can go to practice range with the revolver to test it out first if you don’t like it the AKM or FCAR is the best your gona get

[hearty verge]

That's so silly.

[vapid ridge]

ill try that, thanks again!:)

[agile anchor]

Turret damage is absolutely maddeness

[warm lion]

Turret damage is weak ass

[raven pewter]

Turret is ridiculous honestly it's like having another teammate

[warm lion]

Turret is ridiculously easy to fight

@spice oxide

[proud parcel]

Something most people don't realize is that it has a period after it's placed where it has much less HP and does not shoot at anyone. If you see someoen drop it just pop the thing and stop it entirely. The dome shield is the same way. Shoot it right as someone puts it down to break it quickly.

Turret is definitely strong but it's not nearly as bad as people are saying.

[warm lion]

It hasn't been strong since cb1

[raven pewter]

you need splosives to deal with it effectively

[warm lion]

Goo and smoke exist

[proud parcel]

Shoot it dummy

It doesn't have that much hp.

[raven pewter]

it outdamages like half the weapon roster

[warm lion]

No it fucking does not

It doesn't outdamage any of the weapons

[raven pewter]

you got a source for that buckaroo

[proud parcel]

burden of proof is on you bud

[agile anchor]

you tell me what doesnt have aim bot?

or what else gas aim bot

[warm lion]

Pretty much every weapon can kill everyone in like 3 seconds
Turret isn't gonna kill shit

[agile anchor]

that turret locks on and does alot off dmg

[raven pewter]

literally has more hp than medium lmao

[agile anchor]

got 400 hp i think

[proud parcel]

It has it's moments.

[warm lion]

It will do less damage than medium

[proud parcel]

The turret is at it's best for being a source of harassment and for doing exactly what it did here and finishing off low HP enemies

[raven pewter]

so basically a fourth teammates

[warm lion]

No

[proud parcel]

You can out dps a turret

[agile anchor]

the only part thats good about its that its a static placement

[warm lion]

Bro is bad ok that's why he thinks that it's a fourth teammate

[night hull]

why do you talk like that

[proud parcel]

Turrets are good but really not that big of an issue at all.

[sullen tree]

it ain't, it's just mediocre

[proud parcel]

There's far bigger problem gadgets like the stun gun and the rpg STILL

[raven pewter]

Not really possible to say consideting there's no damage data

[warm lion]

You can literally see how little damage it did to the medium

[proud parcel]

Are you an idiot?

[agile anchor]

if your going to complain baout a RPG then just uninstall

[warm lion]

You should go check out his messages earlier

They're laughably bad

[proud parcel]

"no i don't think the free kill 0 skill gadget is a problem lol"

[raven pewter]

Get a job lololol

[warm lion]

Says the guy hoping th devs get homeless

[raven pewter]

well yeah they suck at their job

[proud parcel]

The RPG is still so horrendously dumb still despite it's nerf.

[warm lion]

And you just suck at the game
Get off the chat and actually learn to play lol

[agile anchor]

you stand infront off an rpg and look what happens?

[proud parcel]

Stand in front of a moving train for me, thanks

[agile anchor]

you moaning about a ROCKET

[raven pewter]

"u bad" any new things to say?

[proud parcel]

I refuse to entertain anyone who has no issue with the RPG anymore. You're a fucking idiot if you see no issue with it.

[warm lion]

"get job" any new things to say?

[agile anchor]

its an explosive device what do you expect it to do?

[warm lion]

You got a lot of free time for a person with a job

[red raven]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-out-kevin-hart-jumanji-jumanji-movie-gif-11210111

[agile anchor]

shoot fucking flowers? you fucking monkey

[fleet zodiac]

THAT is a skill issue

[proud parcel]

Eat shit, it's still overpowered and I don't give half of a remote fuck about any """realism""" arguement

[warm lion]

I mean the heavy nerfs were literally just a slap on the wrist I'm ngl

[proud parcel]

Absolutely lmao. Those guys were not very good. They knew it was there.

[fleet zodiac]

Still needs a nerf

I propose a RANGE nerf, because nerfing damage would make it unviable, and health would make it too ez

[warm lion]

Needs more bloom on the aim
Need ADS for better accuracy
And longer time to ADS

[fleet zodiac]

On turret?

[warm lion]

On rpg

[proud parcel]

Eh, maybe a slight hp nerf or an extension of it's activation time. I don't have too much of a problem with the turret right now given how much other shit is problematic

[warm lion]

Just make it more unwieldy

[fleet zodiac]

What about an AOE reduction to players, forcing aim, but increase structure damage, to promote destructive use

[proud parcel]

Just reduce player damage drastically and make it a tool for destruction like it was originally.

[fleet zodiac]

Keep player damage… reward skill
(Reduce player AOE)

[warm lion]

All that matters to me is that it's capable of one shotting a dumb light

[proud parcel]

There's no skill to the RPG even with the damage nerfs

[fleet zodiac]

Just reduce AOE to players so it requires more aim
Or travel time increase

[warm lion]

Or make it arc

[proud parcel]

Nah here's the thing, if it's a 1 shot or near 1 shot gadget people will STILL use it exclusively on players

[fleet zodiac]

Nah… that’s a bit funky… maybe reskin as mortar?

[proud parcel]

Heavies still run around with it out to shoot players with instead of blowing up structures

[fleet zodiac]

Ok but to be fair, whats the issue with that?
Heavy is a destructive but slow tank

[warm lion]

I mean there's only so much structural damage a single RPG with a long cooldown can do

It'd need its second charge back if it's gonna go back to destruction focused usage

[fleet zodiac]

Look, if lights have three different ways to onetap lights… why can’t heavy; the higher damage tank class
And lights can onetap WITHOUT a cooldown

[warm lion]

It's all trade offs
The real change we need is giving mediums back their light one shots

Or give them like 2 more

It isn't balanced that they aren't allowed to one shot a light while the other classes can

[fleet zodiac]

Hmmm… what about this, the rpg should deal just enough to follow up with a quick melee
Therefore it deals with STUPID lights, not tactful ones

[warm lion]

149 damage :)

[fleet zodiac]

140

Also increase lights regen rate to promote movement and hitnrun strats

[warm lion]

I mean the ones who aren't getting one shot to begin with are the less stupid ones

[fleet zodiac]

They will be incentivized to play by dodging in and out of combat or single out hurt or unaware targets
Like Yuma kuga from world trigger

[fleet zodiac]

Yeah but a smart heavy can get em ez, heavy + bounce pad = air strike
Flying heavy doesn’t discriminate

[warm lion]

This has gotta be the second time I've seen someone said world trigger

[fleet zodiac]

Great manga 10/10
Feel bad for the creator tho

[warm lion]

Is it still in the tournament arc

[fleet zodiac]

Worked on it so hard he had to go to the hospital for four years

[fleet zodiac]

It’s still in the ship practice arc

[warm lion]

Wait
What ship

[fleet zodiac]

Hehehe

Read unofficial translations to get like, five books ahead

Mangakakalot. Com

[warm lion]

What the hell

Who the heck only reads official translations in this hobby anyway

[fleet zodiac]

They kinda gave up translating fast cus he dropped jump

[fleet zodiac]

True

I bought the official books until like… 19
Then I discovered I could read for free
(I still buy tho, cus author needs money)

Aaanyways, if anything, I think an initial burst for the fire made (dealing more damage on impact) would be cool

[gleaming gyro]

please what are some good weapons to buy? prefer with scope

[fleet zodiac]

FCAR is broken, light smg is solid… heavy doesn’t have any, but everything is fun
What class and what playstyle?

[gleaming gyro]

is it hard to farm currency? I bought the lewis gun for heavy because i read its S tier but didnt like it..

[spiral anvil]

just play bank it or tournaments for a couple hours

[warm lion]

Test out weapons in the practice range first before buying next time

[gleaming gyro]

it seems you can only earn 3,000? per week? month?

[spiral anvil]

no it's just the max you can have at one time

[gleaming gyro]

okey

[spiral anvil]

you get creds after every match

[fleet zodiac]

Ahhhh, I just play for fun, idk about currency strats

[gleaming gyro]

so far hammer has been my favorite on heavy, is it viable? any other close range weapons?

[spiral anvil]

sword

[warm lion]

Melee weapons aren't meta

[gleaming gyro]

😦

[warm lion]

They're great fun though
Just don't expect to win as much

[gleaming gyro]

think they can be or never will be?

[spiral anvil]

sword cloak is actually pretty good

[spiral anvil]

probably not

[warm lion]

Cloak is hella mid
And I don't think they'll ever be so meta just because they're inherently disadvantaged with the lack of range

[spiral anvil]

melee will always be outclassed by ranged weapons

[fleet zodiac]

Yall need to stop asking about and debating the meta
Here it is: ||having fun is the meta||

[warm lion]

Unless it's flame against sledge

[spiral anvil]

cloak is easily the best light specialization

[warm lion]

Cloak is easily the worst
It's useless against me

I can hear you and see you
You best simply run away before I smack your tiny ass

[spiral anvil]

till you get stunned and one magged

[warm lion]

Just don't get stunned lol

[gleaming gyro]

i played with someone who summoned turrets. seems op?

[warm lion]

It's a distraction at best
Won't do more damage than a half competent player

[spiral anvil]

yeah turrets don't do much damage, they just make people freak out. only thing it can really do is maybe pick off a damaged light when they're in a panic.

but even then they can just cloak and it can't see them 💀

[warm lion]

Even then they can just run fast enough to make it miss

No cloak needed

[gleaming gyro]

throwing knives seem cool , but probably bad?

[warm lion]

Other weapons do whatever it does better

Perfect accuracy when just on the ground but otherwise it goes all over the place
Unless you alt fire
That's perfectly accurate

[buoyant estuary]

stun gun needs a NERF

really keeps a big dude from doing anything? cant use anything!?!?!?!?!? i have a magic light shield as a heavy but a little stun gun and i cant do anything!?

[sullen jay]

nah

[buoyant estuary]

its way to stupid!

im like 130 LBs and even i can get some movement from a stungun (not as much as i should) but if you can RUN THREW A WALL!!!! it should not hurt you that bad......

at least let me use my special!

[gleaming gyro]

No shot fcar is good.. horrendous recoil and meh dps..

[stray anvil]

Yeah

[lusty hornet]

The fcar kills faster but you just gotta have good aim man, if you can control it it’ll rip

[stray anvil]

Agreed

[visual shell]

Is this a meme comment?

[fleet zodiac]

It’s ez to control (I just suck)

[fleet zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-gif-6873726998111817089

[lusty hornet]

Hahaha I’m not very good either but I so@storms drop 20 bombs

[maiden frost]

im the best light build here

[fleet zodiac]

Fcar is so good that I can topfrag with it

[lusty hornet]

Yeah it’s gotta be good if I can be top the team with it (I’m bad usually)

[junior salmon]

Ok🤝 🏅

[gray spire]

Is frag good

[restive plover]

IDEA: Replace grapple with something and then add a grapple gun!

[zealous dove]

it’s aiight there’s just usually better options for every class. only one that can make it work really is medium and even then there’s better options (gas, pyro)

[restive plover]

You can get kills with it easily.

[static kite]

How does weapon and gadget xp work? Is it pure usage, or do I actually need to damage things to get it?

[restive plover]

Good question.

[static kite]

I did have one game where I got a chance to mess around when the cash box got stuck under the ground, I think I got some from just blowing up buildings and firing the goo gun? I want to test it, but I'd basiclly be trowing in quick play.

[gray spire]

Can you try in totoruial

[static kite]

Tutorial doesn't give xp.

Otherwise an afk macro would be possible.

[fringe aspen]

Angle angels

[fossil ore]

Heres what i do run the vanish grenade and grapple instead of having cloak on special then get best if both worlds , however i do think the grapple would be better as a gadget

[dim bramble]

Whenever they get used by people pretty much. Defib, traversal, player damage. Goo gun I THINK applies similarly to the heavy shields. They can take damage and give support score on objective

So jumps on a pad. Uses on a zip. Kills with mines, nades and such. People spotted with sensors.
Not overall damage to buildings

[kind skiff]

REMOVE C4 SHİT FROM THE GAME THANKS

[soft juniper]

Elaborate

[barren sable]

But I like blowing people up 😢🥺

[soft juniper]

Same C4 is fun more fun the the rocket launcher Imo

[kind skiff]

dude really the game is all about c4 its fucking boring man

[soft juniper]

Welcome to Heavy class they blow shit up and break everything

[kind skiff]

dude i play heavy and im plat, its fun but every single player doing the same shit. its damn boring

[soft juniper]

I know the feeling when everyone does the same thing making it boring Im a Light main and Xp is boring since everyone uses it so I’m using basically anything else

[kind skiff]

i cant understand why devs still not removed this shit from game man

its been 15 20 days from last patch

[soft juniper]

I’m sure they won’t remove it since it was nerfed last patch too if I’m correct

[kind skiff]

yeah nerfed but changed nothing lol still 1 shots peopel with same combo

[soft juniper]

From what I remember they nerfed the blast radios so they could always nerf the damage

Kinda like how they made the taser have a longer range that it didn’t really need

I also love how everyone wants stuff from the light class and Heavy class deleted from the game but no one has grief with medium

[fleet zodiac]

But it’s fun

[weak flicker]

how to easiliy get dmg with carriables?

[echo sleet]

It’s fun watching teams get deleted 😭

[fleet zodiac]

It’s fun watching buildings get fucked up as well

[fleet zodiac]

When fighting just fling as many things as possible, like a bad fight scene

[raw sail]

with poison i like to throw it at a wall then throw at them so it might blow up ontop of them. with red barrel throw it then instantly grab it again to cook it then throw again for closer range dmg

[wise axle]

Putting on APS makes it explode the moment you hit it.

[brazen quiver]

Recommended loadout for new heavy players?

[wise axle]

SA1216 if you have AIM.
If not, mesh shield and flamethrower.
Personal Opinion

[quick nacelle]

can we make it so when you inspect grenades you hold it in one hand and point at it with the other would be kinda funny

[rich knoll]

is there not any inspection emote for the sword yet

[fickle vault]

SA1216 is dogshit

[plain crown]

d5yer6 rdtdrt

[reef jacinth]

best grenade?

[soft juniper]

Frag is always reliable but really its all down to preference + the class you use

[tired spire]

Gun knife

[soft juniper]

Like both Pyro and Gas are good for Area Control and Goo is good defensive reasons and this is just going with the base options... Smoke Is almost never used from what I see and same goes for Flashbang

so its all preference always good to test them all out to see what works best for your playstyle

[keen tendon]

Hello embark studios. I just want to say how much I love your game the finals. I have 60 hours logged and it’s the most fun I’ve had playing a game for a while. I think you guys have created a very special game. But I have one suggestion to make this game a 10/10. Add a plunger skin to the grappling hook. I think it would be so funny and it matches this games aesthetic. I hope you bring my idea to life. Hope the team is well. Cheers.

[midnight mango]

Ideas for each class:

Light: Nerf StunGun
Add longer delay between the Double barrel shots or reduce range
add grapler gadget and replace it with something like a time reverse
Maybe, just maybe, add akimbos

Med: Add 1-2 more bullets to the cl-40 (thumper/china lake)
Add a semi auto DMR (PLEASE)
such as the vss vintorez, dragunov or mk11 to make the kit more diverse
riot shield swing speed increase to make it not actual garbage

Heavy: nerf lewis recoil
increase charge length but make it stop on impact
make grenade launcher do more damage to compensate for the nades no exploding on impact

[patent venture]

im 1 level from alien suit >:)

[patent venture]

i dont play medium much so i'll leave that alone, but heavies charge and slam needs buffs not nerfs, grenade launcher is good rn, your supposed to play off the fact they don't explode on impact, i disagree wtih all of these

[midnight mango]

the fact the nade dont explode on impact, i feel should give it more damage, i do like the idea of the projectile bouncing but the AOE damage in contrast with the versitility make it very useless

[spiral pilot]

light does not need any nerfs, stungun is fine, other classes need nerfs and light need some help with their gadgets

[wary schooner]

Yea that's true but i feel like medium should get a wider variety of weapons because medium just gets so boring.

[spiral pilot]

all should get more weapons and gadgets in the future, matter of time. the amount of weapons we have right now is really low

[wary schooner]

But they keep making light weapons, I feel like they should just buff/balance/nerf its weapons/gadgets

[dull roost]

nerf stun gun range, dumb when you have a support heavy and every single thing is disabled from a stun shot a whole corridor away from the site. Should be 7 meter tbh, lights are fast they can run in and stun and actually have some risk using it, right now stun is no risk all reward

[spiral pilot]

why is light almost not picked in high ranked? why can heavys easily fight back when stunned? why does the heavy has rpg as a simple one delete button tool that doesnt even require good aim?

[wary schooner]

Are you trippin???

[dull roost]

nah

[wary schooner]

Thats what im saying, whenever im playing light i get one shot by an rpg every game.

[dull roost]

cuz light is pretty useless when ur actually playing as a team, doesn't mean it don't got an OP stun gun right now. Also the rpg blast radius damage is so tiny you def gotta aim. try using it urself lol

[wary schooner]

Bro i can kill a light 9/10 when im stunned

[spiral pilot]

i used rpg often enough, not even heavy main

[dull roost]

same if its just them, but when u get stunned from outside a building and it disables all ur utility its quite OP right now with any fight of two teams when u lose all support utility on the heavy

[vapid epoch]

Overall heavy has more use than light in almost every way

[spiral pilot]

if light had defib we could start talking about light being useful

[vapid epoch]

Light has no real team value and relies heavily on picks and clean up but against defib/heal/shield it cant compete in a team game

[wary schooner]

His weapons have a good enough hip-fire for them to kill the light.

[vapid epoch]

^^ light cant face tank a heavy unless it has dash and stun gun

[dull roost]

just killing the light doesn't save u from the rest of the fight. I said in a support role heavy, like at the site the rest of their team is coming too not just the light lol

[spiral pilot]

still gets deleted by shotgun

[vapid epoch]

Thats why dash is in there to dodge the 4 shots then dump a clip into the headshot hitbox

[spiral pilot]

shotgun kills in 2 hits

[scenic gale]

Holi

[low flicker]

Stun gun, try it out

[low flicker]

Dont get close, throwing knifes, lh1, smg, sniper etc

[low flicker]

Light has the highest dps+ damage per mag, truly a skill issue

[hot anchor]

M11 can melt H in .5s

[spiral pilot]

Not even with headshots

[green plume]

C4 on cash box, throw cashbox to other team.
💥
RIP other team

[gleaming gyro]

Please what are some weapons worth buying in your guys opinion? Any class

[hot anchor]

what u play

u cant try everything in the shooting range

u gonna unlock all gradually but unlock the class u play first will be good

[icy wasp]

Im gonna start a war, you ready?

FCAR vs AK

[icy wasp]

yes you can, tf?

[bleak notch]

fcar

[hot anchor]

ono, thats a typo
i wanna type can...

[hot anchor]

car is best
ak is second

[bleak notch]

yup:D

[hot anchor]

third is revolver follow up with shotgun and finally the Riot

[bleak notch]

and the grenade launcher is just irrlevant

[hot anchor]

oh no i forgot it lol

[bleak notch]

i meannn, it is anyway so yeah

[hot anchor]

cl will come b4 riot then unless riot get buff or else it stay at the back

[drifting leaf]

bug game : super quick melee

[unreal cairn]

Why is any1 blaming light? i do 16 kills+ rounds every round as meele Light with stun gun ... Just know how to play it and u can kill Heavy easy with ur mobility

[cloud snow]

what is best weapon in game for dps. close to mid range

[hot anchor]

Sa1216

[fickle charm]

Why does rpg need to hit teammates? that shit is just pure rng

[gleaming gyro]

"earn xp while using this weapon to lvl it up" so as you lvl weapon up it will get stronger?

[warm lion]

no you just get cosmetics and stuff

[regal wyvern]

the 1887 is the best dont listen to anyone

[quick grove]

FCAR

[edgy ruin]

AK is good if you have god tier aim, but if not then I would say CAR

[quick grove]

here is a war. Healing beam or recon sense ?

[dire wasp]

Doesn’t matter fcar will carry regardless of what you use

[safe ridge]

https://www.twitch.tv/devinthedoorknob

[bright hill]

Bring back the ability to hold the dagger backstab b4 you do the attack, even make it disable cloak.

[fast aspen]

holding it would be a bless, ngl

[bright hill]

I swear

[sullen tree]

sorry, you think stun gun is OP because it means heavy can't 1v3 as well?

[vapid epoch]

I literally main light with a 3kd bud chill out

[low flicker]

So your issue is that you cant play anything other than stun gun and dash? Sounds like an issue surrounding skill.

[vagrant shadow]

BEST RECOIL CONTROL METHOD LEGIT 🤝🕺 https://youtu.be/EWvbjbFLpo4?si=95G-YGVFsm51T_mh

[fervent fable]

i will forever use healing beam

[warm lion]

don't self promote in the wrong channel

[flat herald]

hi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIcSWuKMwOw

[green zinc]

hello how i can get this discord gadget?

[vapid epoch]

I don't have an issue im just being homest that lights the worst for ranked

[low flicker]

that i agree with

i was just saying if you compare the ttk of light to heavy they are suprisingly about the same, usually if i go 1v1 with a light if i win im about dead (unless i two shot them with the shotgun 😈 or whip out my rpg and 1 shot them 😈 or i decimate their whole team with a red barrel c4 combo 😈 )

[torn maple]

C4 needs a cooldown buff. I hate waiting so long between team wipes 😦

[midnight mango]

many people agree with the stungun stun time being a problem and is seen as unfun, rather than game breaking. Shotgun Def needs a nerf (pullout time or rpm) since you can currently sneak behind a enemy and 2 pump them. It also takes away from the skill for the dagger, making it useless

[limpid harness]

Just hit things with sledgehammer while C4 is on cooldown

[spiral pilot]

unfun? dude if you die from 1 rpg, thats more unfun. the db is fine, its considred a noob killer weapon, no awareness = db kills. problem lies in audio cues for invis and also latency problems for the dagger

[ember haven]

I don't think the stungun should stop you from using other things in your loudout. Your ability maybe, but not swapping to gadgets

[soft juniper]

The other way could work too no gadgets but can still ability

[vernal tinsel]

Has the throwing knife xp ever been addressed by the devs? 20k to hit level 2, vs 9k xp on every other weapon/gadget

[ember haven]

Real pain in the buns and on the worst weapon too

[midnight mango]

just because the rpg is too op doesnt mean the stungun is fine, both are unbalanced. DB needs a nerf, nothing should be able to 1 shot (with the firerate and dmg of the shotgun might aswell be just 1 shot) and i dont think its unfair to simply just increase dmg drop or just make it shoot slower as shotgun are meant to to alot of dmg. the dbs role as a sort of awareness punisher is meant for something like the knife and the db is able to be played as a normal gun, not as a invis rat weapon.

[spiral pilot]

ppl seem to forget that light is running around with 150 hp, meaning that class need stuff to makeup for having such low hp, if you nerf all that stuff you make light even worse than it alrdy is

[midnight mango]

hp dont matter when ur guns kills in a single second

every class btw, same issue w rpg

[spiral pilot]

this is only true for the DB out of all the weapons and even the DB isnt used much in high ranks because its just not as good, teams will either revengekill you or they get defib and healed, while you run away reloading

[midnight mango]

what about casual, most players on the finals dont even play comp

[gusty abyss]

I heard somewhere there adding a new gun, is this true?

[spiral pilot]

look at mobas for example, for casual the typical invisible heros/champions are considered OP and often useless in high ranks

[midnight mango]

what about spy in tf2

[spiral pilot]

there are alot of counters to invis and DB only becomes good enough with invis, you can use your ear/eyes, stuff like sonar grenade, recon, which completly counters light. you can run thermal to counter another light aswell

[gusty abyss]

Just run the sniper and shoot them before they get close, invisibility be damned

[spiral pilot]

ppl need to understand that invis is not op. for the ppl that think it is op, the DB will just make it more painful. the game should not be balanced around below average players

[gusty abyss]

Invis stun DB, however I believe is a different story

[spiral pilot]

if we talk about pure 1v1 i say its strong but it is not because you have a team around you.

the light class doesnt add any utility, other than maybe glitch to the team. you wanna take the only thing from them which is being annoying and maybe get a kill?

[gusty abyss]

I think it rides both sides of the spectrum in 1v1 it destroys because it limits your turn speed but I think it also thrives in group battles, weaving in and out of the chaos but I do think you’re right, I feel like good players will stomp invis out first so they no longer have to watch flank

[spiral pilot]

the turnspeed when getting stunned is the same, it doesnt reduce the turnspeed anymore, they nerfed it from the beta and that made the stungun so much worse

[gusty abyss]

I see I see, I purposely don’t use stun gun because I find it lame but I do use the sniper so I don’t win very many of those,

[spiral pilot]

for the sniper stungun is less important, still useful tho. i mean why would you criple yourself not using the stungun when you play alrdy the weakest class

[gusty abyss]

I would say I don’t run up and use the sniper but I do, and I think you’re right imma start using it

[spiral pilot]

stungun can stop steals, that alone has good value

[gusty abyss]

You are very right, your wisdom has crossed many generations to get to you

[glad oasis]

I tried to get my friend to use the stun gun but he just simply does not have the sauce to weild it.

[strange trout]

What's the best melee weapon for getting kills? Trying to grind the 150 melee kills trophy

[cold kelp]

can someone give me tips for hitting more shots with the lewis gun?

[agile badger]

try aiming

[unkempt spruce]

Tierlist?

[glad oasis]

If you do the light sword with dash or invis, then have smokes, flash, and breach charge you should have a blast getting kills

[strange trout]

Hmm I'll try that thx

[glad oasis]

No problem

Just try your favorite gadgets

[strange trout]

Ye I'm gonna try dash with flash, breach and invis bomb

Do u recommend bank it, or quick cash tho? Or tournament?

[agile badger]

bank it is the superior testing ground

[strange trout]

It shall be done

6 kills not bad

[glad oasis]

Very nice

[strange trout]

Ye this works nicely, flashbang is situational tho

[glad oasis]

I just throw a flash and do the dash with the sword while they cant see. Really good for assassinating lights and mediums

[smoky tide]

I got mine done by quick meleeing

[strange trout]

You are a madman

[smoky tide]

With light sniper, body shot melee on light, headshot melee medium and heavy i didnt even bother

[bright hill]

Dagger imo

[glad oasis]

I find the sword with the dash more fun to use

But i only played light for melee, im actuall a medium shotgun main

[sudden oak]

i love nukes

[gray spire]

Anyone actully use pyro bombs I never see them

[torn maple]

Nukes ftw!

[sudden oak]

double nukes

[bright hill]

Me

[turbid frost]

I usually throw them one chashouts so ppl get damaged a bit

[slender wing]

i use them a lot, theyre mad useful if you know how to use them

[reef brook]

I feel very sorry for the M's revolver (R .357), it has such good potential, but it is very far from the power of a shotgun at close range, and it is very weak at long range because of accuracy and poor scope (I actually can't see opponents in my sights, maybe should make it thinner?)

[gray spire]

It’s fun though

Not easy but fun 🤩

[restive plover]

i use them when i play agro medium

[slender wing]

most if not all revolvers have a iron sight scope

[restive plover]

but most irons are better than these

[slender wing]

im pretty sure it uses "real" models or replicas

[restive plover]

i think ur right bt im not sure

but most irl revolvers have raised irons

[reef brook]

Sure, but I'm saying they could make it thinner, not a 2x scope or something. I mean that thing in the middle. And in any case, this revolver never shoots exactly in the center, which sometimes frustrates me

[reef brook]

It is. But I want it to be effective as well, I like revolvers in video games. And in pvp with an enemy it is very difficult to deal with him because it's simply harder to hit for you than for him

[blissful sail]

C4

[reef brook]

Also a skin "High noon" for R .357 is very nice looking, but FCAR is a meta , so you have no choice

[covert vault]

Why is the charm slot on the dagger skin flip out flayer just pasted to the side of the blade, there is a clip on the bottom of the handle and they just don't use it.

[sudden oak]

Give us a sledgehammer skin that makes the bonk sound

[desert solar]

MGL32 desperately needs a 30-40% reduced damage air-burst mode as an alternate fire instead of an ADS - weapon needs more flexibility.

Primary Fire: Standard Dual-Bounce Impact @ 100% damage - standard environment destruction.
Secondary Fire: 1.5m Proxim. Air Burst @ 60-70% standard damage - reduced environment destruction.

[minor scarab]

Hey anyone use the dmr for the light consistently? Feels awkward for me to use personally

[sour geyser]

i personally hate it

[minor scarab]

That’s what I’m saying, the damage doesn’t feel right for the recoil. And I don’t fw the ironsights aswell

[fickle vault]

Barricade vs Dome Shield?

[echo olive]

dome shield all the way

[fickle vault]

I'm not used to barricade. Some say dome is not viable since it has only 300 hp

[sour geyser]

yeah, it feels like theres no damage with it and the recoil is massive

[jagged prairie]

What’s the best medium gadgets?

[sour geyser]

i would say gas mine

its good for the cashout

[daring nymph]

jump pad 100%

[jagged prairie]

What about the third?

[sour geyser]

pyro nade

[jagged prairie]

What about defibrillator

[daring nymph]

i say jump, defib, then whatever u want personally as third

[desert solar]

Jump Pad/Gas Nade/Defib

[sour geyser]

its good if ur a good teammate and care about the other people in ur team

[minor scarab]

Ey I’ve been finessing light thermal visions and smoke jades, work well with dash or if you wanna be very sneaky cloak, it’s been working wonders with the m11

[plush fractal]

Anyone on trynna play ranked ?

[minor scarab]

smoke nades and @plush fractal try the lfg tabs 🙂

[plush fractal]

Anyone trynna play ?

[blissful stirrup]

ADD MORE BACKS TO THE FCAR

MAGS

[desert solar]

You have infinite ammo. wut?

[meager gate]

Nerf zip line

[dawn canyon]

nerf that one thing. you know what i mean

[proper halo]

As someone who's been maining the mgl32 and gotten rank 6 on it I'd like to give my feedback about this weapon in terms of what it performs, why it is limiting and some suggestions to balance it out. I've gone through all the stages of grief learning this gun and I am still learning because it can be really complicated. I know I'm not speaking for many since not many get interested in this weird quirky weapon but may as well be recorded here.

The mgl sweetspot are mid-range fights in closed areas. It's controlled spam can be powerful to deny choke points and the required bounce allows you to create confusing angles to hit your opponents. It's particularly good when a squad is cornered together. But that's also about it. Those are the situations that the gun is supposed to be good, and at best it performs very similarly to what other guns achieve.

However, the situations that are unfavourable for the mgl are generally impossible to win and forces you to be passive and smart about your positioning.
Fighting from low ground vs high ground? Impossible. Even a 1m or 2m difference from your opponent and it becomes really hard to hit them directly on their feet. Being creative to bounce the grenade in all kinds of situations is a requirement; and The Finals can have extremely complex geometry in many situations. You basically have to "aim backwards" with this gun. When engaging with an opponent your eyes aren't focusing on aiming directly at the opponent, but rather what angles in the current scenario allows me to possibly hit my opponent.

and this "possibly" is key. The nade is a HARD projectile to hit. It's dumb spam in some situations, but on average you have to be really smart with each shot or else you don't ever kill opponents and always just deal half damage. If you get to hit them to begin with.
As of rn, full dmg hits can 2 hit a light, 4 hit a medium and 5 a heavy. Out of a 6 shot mag, on a hard projectile to hit (situational). You aren't always fullly damaging your opponents though, and because each shot in the mag matters a lot, it's really unforgiving to miss. Comparatively any other hitscan gun doesn't have to jump half of the mgl's hoops to deal damage to an opponent, on any situation, as long as there is LOS.

I have a feeling that the mgl was designed specifically to not have impact detonation, as that would really change this weapon from being extremely quirky to being functionally similar to the cl-40.
If this is the case, I think the mgl deserves other QOL changes in order to make it more usable compared to other guns, while still being situational. Stat buffs like increasing projectile speed or hitbox, decreasing the ammount of self damage (to make close range fights less suicidal), simply having a small increase in damage or being more effective against shields (to become some form of anti-meta) are all decent solutions that could make this weapon go from being "too weird for it's benefits" to being a strong hard-to-master gun.

if you've read this ty

[keen sigil]

vault c4 nukes

[keen sigil]

vault c4 nukes

[fast aspen]

would you think that direct hit impact should deal damage and would that benefit this gun or do you reckon that would be too OP ?

[proper halo]

It wouldn't be op, but it would be easier to pick up and become a very "shallow" version of what it is now in terms of thinking with it's projectile.

[fast aspen]

it was the first thing i was thinking when i "bought" this gun and i was quite disappointed in how a heavy grenade launcher should work imo, but yeah.. i wasn't sure if i was using it wrong but for now i've been stepping away from it and became hammer main with the occasional lewis gun usage

[proper halo]

it's definitely unintuitive and rn not very rewarding because it's very hard to learn and requires positioning. But it's also what makes it really interesting.

[fast aspen]

it doesn't even direct impact like dome shield or sentry, so using the MGL32 is lowkey putting yourself at a disadvantage imo, it's only good for lowkey AoE splash damage, but that's it.. the moment i get stunned by a light i can't even directly aim towards him nor picking a close combat fight will be the death of the user

[proper halo]

the dome shield has a bugged interaction and sometimes even makes the nade bounce a second time. It's a really innefective gun against dome shield in particular, but it's OK against mesh (which is a suggestion for a buff I gave in my post).

Having the mgl as a main weapon is a hard tradeoff, definitely. In the current meta it's a disadvantage but I'm mostly suggesting ways to make this weapon a usable and healthy option while still being quirky and hard-to-master.

[fast aspen]

alright, thanks for the replies.
wanted to get your opinion on it all 🙂

[sturdy cedar]

dome bouncing off projectiles is kinda mid

[finite hamlet]

what are the best gadgets with sniper ?

[rare trout]

i use toxic smoke breach charge and frag gernade

[finite hamlet]

and what ability ?

[rare trout]

i use grapple bc i freestyle snipe. U tryna play?

[soft juniper]

Kinda wish you could use a reserve slot to hold 1 other Specialization or make it so it takes 2 slots

[muted meadow]

Pls fix sniper scope when moving, bullet doesnt go where the scope is as it is not centre of screen.

[uneven edge]

Nerf the shotgun on light build

[hot anchor]

nerf dmg, and add 1 mag

[bold totem]

problem with light build nerfs is a hey get absolutely mulched by heavy c4 tac nukes,rpgs and medium recon senses. these are meta dominant things that make it hard for lights to counter without simple staying at sniper range, or being sneaky enough to employ his cheese stun gun assassinations

[orchid lagoon]

Defib is 5p% hp so it inherently gets more value by using it on a heavy. What if it was a set amount, 100-150 HP. Lights would come back closer to full which would help them and the other 2 wouldn't feel much of a difference

[wraith cliff]

Are the throwing knives good?

[mellow peak]

It's meh

[spiral ferry]

curious what nerfs and buffs people are thinking should happen

the only one i feel strongly about so far is c4 should have 1 charge

[tranquil marsh]

Jump pad or zip line for medium?

[tranquil marsh]

2 charges of c4 seems a bit much for heavy when you take in the fact that you also get a rpg too

[spiral ferry]

jump pad

jumpad is faster and can be used to choke an enterance

[tranquil marsh]

What do you all think about the Heavy's shotgun SA1216? Is it viable?

[spiral ferry]

it was op, got a nerf last patch, ,and is now pretty balanced imo

[hazy meteor]

• M60 needs a buff, it's just a straight downgrade to the Lewis
• Revolver needs its sights fixed, they are not aligned
• C4 needs to be reduced to 1 charge, and throwable objects need their range reduced if C4 is attached them
• Glitch grenades needs to be impact detonated
• Dash needs a minor buff, a little bit more range and reduce the visibility of the trail
• Grappling Hook needs a significant buff; farther range and much quicker recharge
• Cloak needs a minor nerf, more visible when moving
• Light / Medium as a whole class needs rework — medium has too much necessary team utility meanwhile light has nothing. Easiest fix is Light should have a faster health Regen and get defibs — them being the fast skirmishers suits the in/out reviver role better and also balances Medium out by no longer have all the must-have team utility.
• Recon Senses need a slight nerf.
• Aim Assist needs nerf

[lone shell]

you want the cloak to get nerfed? ik its good but a nerf will make it weak no.

[spiral ferry]

is there a link to revolver not lining up? it felt like it when i tried it but didnt verify

[hazy meteor]

Not significantly.
If you sprint with it, it should flicker a bit more — if standing still then it shouldn't be visible

[hazy meteor]

All the crosshairs/ironsights are not centred on the centre screen when moving and shooting.
It's "visual recoil" — the bullets always go centre screen regardless of the barrel or sights being.

The revolver for whatever reason has this even when standing still

[lone shell]

or maybe just an on and of bottom.

[spiral ferry]

is that not true with the LH as well?

[mental swift]

give CL40 1 more shot into the mag and i love you ❤️

[spiral ferry]

thats actually a decent idea for balancing over a reload buff

[hot anchor]

a double refill would be also good for a mag of 4

[umbral oak]

this is a dumb question but i have a daily to do 2500 damage on ranged weapons... are ranged weapons just regular guns?

[hot anchor]

If the item produce another something to deal damage then its ranged

[spiral ferry]

range weapons just non melee weapons

[umbral oak]

copy, thank you!

[desert solar]

M60 needs a buff
Agreed. If it's going to have reduced accuracy, it needs to be made up for with a cleaner recoil pattern.

Revolver needs sights fixed.
I personally haven't experienced them being misaligned. The only misaligned gun I've run into was the CBT LH1 - which they fixed - BUT... if they are misaligned, then obviously yeah, fix it.

C4 needs to be reduced to one charge.
50/50. I'd be okay with C4 maintaining it's 2 charge count, but only if the damage to structures is retained, and player damage is reduced. The heavy should be about demolition and sustain damage - not direct.

Glitch grenades need to be impact.
100% agree BUT... AOE needs to be reduce in that case, and you should be able to carry two - force you to make deliberate throws.

Dash needs a minor buff.
Disagree as a primarily Dash user. What DOES need to be fixed is that it bugs out sometime when you pair it with a jump, and it doesn't launch you forward.

Grappling hook needs a range buff and higher recharge rate.
Disagree on range. Agree on recharge rate. The range I've been able to get out of this game's grapple is bananas, and even dwarves Titanfall 2's grapple range.

Cloak needs a visibility nerf.
Disagree. I WOULD agree if this game's engine used a different method of post-processing. THe post-processing causes so much ghosting, it is obnoxiously easy to spot Cloak. This is a big reason why I don't use it anymore.

Medium rework.
Interesting premise. Can't say I agree 100%, but the idea of a rushing medic (Light) is unique. I will agree that a majority of the utility is on Medium and should probably be spread out a bit more. The utility a full medium squad has is riudiculous and they're the hardest to fight. This would be a huge rework though and is a little bit to deep to have a casual convo about here.

Recon senses need nerf.
Agree as an abusive user of this, but I reckon we're already going to see it changed. Based on the viral clips from ITzTimmy using the jump pad tablet to have better visbility when using Recon senses, I imaghine we'lkl end up seeing a rework where it will require you put your gun away, you pull out a tablet, and you can only see through obstructions your tablet is aimed at for clear visbility. It should not be able to used mid combat because of how strong of an advantage it gives.

Aim assist needs nerf.
The age old argument. I don't even bother with this conversation anymore. There will never be a sweet spot for either playerbase.

[royal imp]

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[spiral ferry]

i would take glitch grenade goes through shields

[static lodge]

This or they instantly explode upon hitting a shield (or maybe even make them explode on impact with anything)

[spiral ferry]

i like the bounce, i dont like bounce off shield

[faint anchor]

the goo gun is insanely underrated, even if they have a flamethrower/pyro granade you can still spam goo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bduJBMwODfY

[tranquil marsh]

I like how versatile the goo gun is. You can plug holes in a wall, build a bridge to cross gaps, or even mantle up to higher ground

[viral knot]

This is where it pays off to play a bunch of Demoman in TF2. I love the gun but hate the mediums denying projectiles which completely shuts down the grenade launcher entirely. I think the MGL is good, even really good, personally.

[spiral pilot]

Glitch grenades explode on impact is a bad thing, I use walls to make my glitch grenades hit from different angles that you otherwise can’t reach if they explode on impact. Make sure glitch Grenada’s doesn’t get blocked by small objects which is the main issue. They could explode on shield impact tho

[ember haven]

Do yall think the Med's APS needs to not affect grenade launchers?

[faint anchor]

I definitely agree! Right now they are too op but if they would do this it would not only nerf it for worse players mindlessly throwing them, but also make them even better for higher level players

[glad oasis]

Thoughts on the model 1887

[spiral ferry]

if you ever wanna see grenade launchers in ranked, yes

[faint anchor]

Its pretty balanced, best medium weapon close range but still very outperformed by fcar and akm overall

[calm forge]

Amazing imo, I enjoy it every time I use it.

[errant vessel]

Hmm go full Goo? Goo Gun, Weapon(For me flamer or MGL), C4,Goo Grenade(replacing barrier or Dome), RPG

Whats the recharge time on Goo Nades vs Barrier?

[viral knot]

Yes. It's dumb to invalidate an entire weapon category and make it unusable for no reason. It's fine for preventing grenades or nukes but god damn...

[ember haven]

Like, the Heavys GL doeesn't need more reasons to not use it.

[errant vessel]

Hmmm no i think its fair that the APS negates the MGL...that is why we have reserves, for such occasions

Like, theres a lot of counter play in this game. For example. Recon Senses vs Cloak

There is no reserves for that lol. At least with the MGL, if we go up against an APS we can swap out

[languid moth]

yo

[frozen bridge]

Hello, hello! 💚

[proper halo]

I played demoman and soldier competitively on tf2. Not that it meant much considering the competitive scene was pretty small but I did have many thousands of hours of experience. I can guarantee you that the heavy mgl, in the context of the finals, is nowhere near as prevalent as demoman was strong.

the mgl32 is harder to use than any demo weapon. Also, I guarantee you that from the perspective of the good players (at least from the top 1000) is that the mgl32 is garbage. So is the sledge and the flamethrower. They are just not flexible enough to compete with the Lewis or strong enough to compete with the SA in close quarters.

As of right now, most non-conventional weapons in the game that are really hard to use are also really undertuned so while embark expected them to be secret OP, they're just secret average if you get really good with them. This is true for the mgl, the flamethrower, the throwing knives, the cl-40 and pretty much any melee weapon

Also as a baseline let's not use any arguments of "this weapon is not trash I can stomp quick matches on it" because... yeah.

[golden adder]

The APS grenade launcher interaction is pretty unfair for the launcher user.

Only ways to fix are
A. APS doesn’t stop primary weapons
B. APS breaks after so many uses

would be odd and require a lot of work but

C. APS disables the explosion but takes direct impact damage from GL rounds.

[marsh valley]

good evening, I come here to ask whether or not the cloak is more easily visible on a higher resolution

[glad oasis]

i dont think it is, not entirely sure, but you can also hear them running around

[marsh valley]

I feel like i don't see them as good as before by downgrading to 1080 from 1440

[spiral ferry]

A.

namely cause you cant unpick in ranked

[glad oasis]

that is quite the difference in resolution, but ive never changed res so it might be affected by that

[quaint delta]

If you use c4 barrel you should be castrated and banned from going within a mile of any child. fact

[proper halo]

comparatively to someone running the game on the lowest settings possible: yes, absolutely.
Particularly when you're using any of the low-res superscaling methods like the DLSS, they blur out a lot of information from your screen and invis lights become actually indistinguishable even when they're moving.
The higher res and sharpness of graphics you have, the easier time you will have to spot the transluscent moving target

[restive plover]

are sniper crosshairs fixed yet or is everything still askew

[spiral ferry]

i run 4k and its been ez

so easy i dont even consider using stealth and I play light

[spiral ferry]

i main sniper and I dont know what your complaint is

[tranquil marsh]

would anyone recommend aps turret for medium?

[knotty juniper]

highly recommend

[desert solar]

I'm a big fan of lobbed projectile weapons (Tribes/Quake player, here), but I strongly believe the CL40 needs one more shell (as it's currently the only weapon in the game that can't one-mag a Heavy, even with direct hits) and the reload function of the 1886 shotgun, and the MGL32 needs a secondary-fire 1.5 proxim. airburst option that does 30-40% less damage to push people out of impossible corners, and to make closer range fights more manageable.

[proper halo]

nice I also loved tribes, and I'm looking forward to this new tribes that will soon come out!

yeah I also think cl40 needs a buff, although I haven't played it enough to have other suggestions.

if you haven't read, you can scroll up a bit on this channel where I wrote a big text with opinions and suggestions for the mgl32. But the tldr is that I think the forced bounce was by-design and I don't think they intend to give it an airburst option although it would solve some of the flexibility issues of the mgl.
Personally I think it makes sense to be a niche weapon that isn't very flexible, but if this is the case, then it deserves to be better and stronger in what it does now. Just getting stat buffs and QOL features should be enough to make it go from "unusable and weird" to a strong hard-to-master gun where I think it belongs.

[desert solar]

Yeah, if you haven't yet, the new Tribes has a play test you can join. It's pretty fun.

I was responding to your earlier post, but quoted it incorrectly.

The biggest problem with the heavy class right now is that it's having an identity crisis - originally stemming from the power of the RPG. The Heavy has a high health pool, good sustain weapons, and obscene burst in a lot of circumstances. With weapons like the MGL32 (at least the way it's designed in this game) is that it's TOO niche. Maybe that heightens the appeal of potentially getting good with it, but when you can enter rounds blind and get absolutely smashed as an MGL32 user and you have effectively no recourse, you're kinda boned.

With almost any other weapon in the game, you can, in someway, alter your immediate playstyle to allow your weapon to shine a bit more brightly, but the MGL32 (not the CL40 in this case, though I still think it needs an additional shell) doesn't really have any fallback methods.

The Heavy needs to be pushed into an identity, and I'd prefer that identity to be suppression over burst damage. It would also fit with how it's main MG's work as well as those MGs have the highest kill potential per mag of any weapon in the game, but it doles out that potential over a longer period with a larger mag.

[proper halo]

oh yeah, absolutely. I think rpg isn't particularly the issue, but just adds up to the fact that nukes are horrendous in their current form and they turn heavy into a juggernaut that's tanky and also happen to wipe squads with a single throwable. Even if most of the times you're only getting 1 kill per nuke, it's still a ridiculous opening to any fight. Instakill or be instakilled is not healthy but this also goes beyond the discussion about the MGL.

In the context of the current meta, the MGL fits nicely into a HHM composition, and the reasoning is that, while it definitely isn't flexible, it makes up for it by allowing confusing angles that a lot of people have no idea how to deal with. In most rounds I play I tend to be competing for the highest combat scores with the MGL, but overall I'm also not achieving any incredible results compared to people who are also fragging out but using the meta. In fact, my greatest performances are an "average" performance of a higher ranked player stomping out on the unbalanced rankeds.

But this is also the problem with the MGL: you're required to have at least one teammate nearby because you are particularly weak against anyone who gets really close to you. Getting tased by a light when you're alone is pretty much guaranteed death, except if you're running lewis or SA you still have a pretty decent chance of surviving / fighting back. Sword lights become extremely hard to deal with even though they are weak for pretty much most other weapons.

funnily enough, I haven't hated the APS much. It actually covers a pretty small area and unless there are multiples in a cashout you can find many other angles to deal damage. Of course, the ideal solution is having another teammate breaking it. But I also like the idea of the APS having some form of cooldown per projectile or simply a limit in how many can be blocked in total.

Also yeah, I think suppression should be what heavy specializes in, and the mgl does that, just not very well

Also even though I talked about the ideal comp, I've been soloqueueing with the MGL + goo gun, so I'm definitely having a harder time than most people, that's for sure xD

[spiral ferry]

mediums abilities are all S tier

turret is least good and its still stonks

[maiden thunder]

Which weapon on heavy build is the best? Is it still the shotty

[desert solar]

Lewis/Shotty/Sledge

[maiden thunder]

And what gadgets should I use?

[desert solar]

Meta is dome shield, C4, and your final choice of w/e

[maiden thunder]

Can the c4 still be attached to the red things?

[proper halo]

rpg c4 and dome, only lewis and shotty are actually meta. Sledge is fun tho, just very easily shut down.

[desert solar]

Yup

[spiral ferry]

theres a B tier hammer strat thats still good but not meta

where u basically just play for interrupts

[desert solar]

I'd still consider the Sledge over just about any other heavy item behind the Lewis/Shotty tho.

[maiden thunder]

I am actually the typical ligtht build player or medium, but I think I will win way more games with a heavy build

[proper halo]

dome is also switchable for the other defensive options, I personally run the goo nade, but dome is very strong with the SA particularly.

[desert solar]

In about a month, we'll be seeing the goo gun turn meta. People are starting to understand it's resourcefulness

[spiral ferry]

maybe

[maiden thunder]

Yeah, I rly like the goo nades aswell

[spiral ferry]

go is better in the world without lights

lights kinda beat goo in general

[proper halo]

I am also rank 5 with the goo gun. I think it's strong because it's flexible, you can use for mobility and reinforcement, the problem is that the goo shot itself is very unprecise which means it's really easy to fuck up. And getting yourself stuck in it during a hot moment is death.

[maiden thunder]

Are the weapons on the heavy build worse than the medium and light build weapons? Since the heavy build has way more hp

[spiral ferry]

eh

light has best weapons but no hp

[proper halo]

no. SA is arguably the strongest weapon in the game for CQC, and lewis has a ttk very close to other guns, it's just a little harder to beam people from far away compared to an FCAR, but still strong.

[spiral ferry]

M and H are pretty comprable

fcar higher dps less ammo

[maiden thunder]

I shred with the fcar, I need something like that on the heavy build

[proper halo]

lewis then. You'll do good with it.

[glad oasis]

what gets me killed with the fcar is when i miss that 1 bullet for the the kill then die bc of i have to reload, skill dif ig

[desert solar]

That's kinda the same shtick with the MP5. You get the clean sight picture and more linear recoil pattern, but missing 1 or 2 shots is detrimental. It's why the AKM is superior, IMO. No reason not to give yourself that flexibility becuase lets say you DO land your shots with your AKM, you now have a quarter of a mag to still help with, or potentially finish off another kill with.

[glad oasis]

i need to practice with the med rifles more, but i do have alot of fun with the shotgun even tho its not as good

[dapper quest]

shotgun fries lights only time i use it is when there is a lot

[primal agate]

fcar is definately kinda busted rn

[glad oasis]

just have to make those shots count

[viral knot]

Didn't claim the weapon isn't underpowered at all. I'm saying it's fine. The only thing that would make it better is if the aps didn't completely nullify it, or the cl-40. As it is right now it's an ok weapon. Not bad but most certainly far from being unusable. If you can aim with it it's pretty good.

[signal niche]

Pyro Mine + Goo Canister

Goo Canister
makes Wall of Goo

Fire ignites Goo

Fire + Goo =
Wall of Goo Fire Bomb

Goo Barrel explodes, drops the Pyro Mine. Enemy triggers the Pyro Mine and ignites the Wall of Goo

🔥💥☄️

[ruby bay]

Maybe a red dot for the light marksman rife? thoughts??

[teal flume]

p90 and ak74u for light

[soft juniper]

Kinda like how the red dot is there for sniper in tf2?

[spiral ferry]

i like the crosshair on the sniper its clean

[deep hawk]

There should be a weapon for dual wielding pistols. Like the fortnite version of it.

[tall raft]

Perhaps a medium-distance optic like an ACOG

[ruby bay]

1000%

[proper halo]

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but I am disagreeing. It's an ok weapon, you can find SOME success, but overall it's a much weaker option

[rose barn]

oi can we add discombobulators please. like from gmod

[spice hinge]

oi can we add discombobulators please. like from gmod

[rose barn]

oi can we add discombobulators please. like from gmod

[river ibex]

Damage falloff chart:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gpmUFpwwZwmV33h42sR0eFAxfApp3eSoXPFcykNwuF0/edit?usp=sharing

[alpine eagle]

get rid of riot sheild or nerf it

[glad oasis]

to be honest, in my humble opinion the riot shield is really not that strong, its just annoying to deal with. if you play with your team and a riot shield user is by themselves, just take different angles and kill them. or if you have grenades, c4, etc. just use those. your last option is to just run away, they will never catch you unless your heavy

[alpine eagle]

I got caught when i was a medium, and got two shot, its super annoying to deal with

[glad oasis]

i feel that

[sweet warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155584762401009718/1194136680341459013/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=65af4172&is=659ccc72&hm=e3cea7233bf63802ceda516fe4f08366a9cefa49ce030df4c505787eda42f3a8&

[keen panther]

gadget suggestion: remember those hot wheels tracks that had speed boost segments that would launch your car through a loop de loop

we should have those

[dusky hound]

How bout like a pad on the ground that recharges your ability, there would be multiple on the map

[desert latch]

Thoughts on a silenced 3 burst AR (M16) less damage and ROF than the AK but more accuracy and velocity

[teal abyss]

AKM is better

[cobalt spruce]

they should add white dye job as part of leveling rewards for the healing gun

[hot anchor]

i bet they forget

whooops no, bc Q ability only have 5 lv

[cobalt spruce]

yea but still add it for cool

going for a monochrome look for my character

[drowsy cape]

dem

[hollow barn]

Hey I think there should be more skins in the game. I know it just released but I feel like having a library almost like CSGO would be epic. I’d love to design some or even have a page for others to submit ideas. It could be a great community thing to have monthly skins picked out of community commissions or smt? Just think that would be nice. If this isn’t a thing already, where should I submit this idea for the skins? I have tons of skin ideas I want to sketch up

Thoughts on this anyone?

[fervent juniper]

no

[kind warren]

flamethrower best heavy meta

[grim mulch]

only in beta now it sucks

[hot anchor]

😔Someone blame me use that yesterday

[calm verge]

@sturdy raven @median olive @rocky marten trying to change weapons skins, charms, stickers ect wont save now. ive tried multiple times and i cant change any of those items. just stuck with same skins....... this was also a problem in the BETA.... look into it please

[kind warren]

that is fair, would have loved to use it during that time im a newbie :/

[kind warren]

if you play a little "slower" and time the blasts in a manner where you could damage up to 3 Contestants, that's where it comes into play for me. Oh also immediate Gas removal is very nice on Vaults

[hot anchor]

yes, not me blaming
someone blamed me for that 😔

[kind warren]

keep running what feels right to your play style 😄

[young basin]

Hello, I have a suggestion regarding the loadout differences between Light and Medium class. In the Light class there are 9 weapons to choose from while in the Medium class there are only 6. The LH1 (M14 carbine) doesn't fit this class, I have a friend who plays only as a Light class and he shares the same opinion as mine. My point is that the Light class is being played in a fast and agile manner, it's meant for quick distractions or infiltration, a DMR type of gun doesn't fit this class. I completely understand the sniper rifle (SR-84) but I cannot understand the DMR. The LH1 rifle could be more fitting in the Medium class since that's a more support oriented class. It's a robust yet precise rifle with huge potential yet it cannot be used in the right manner. Please consider reassigning the LH1 carbine to the Medium class. Also, as a side note: The weapon design is amazing, everything is natural about them. Thank you for your patience and time!

[soft juniper]

I kinda Vibe with the idea of putting LH1 on Medium

[acoustic pecan]

I kinda vibe with getting a big throwable set of bricks as the heavy

If light gets throwing knives heavy gets large bricks to crunk people with is all I’m saying

[steel cobalt]

the DMR into medoum would be a really good addition to medium its missing like a mid/long range dmg wep

[soft juniper]

What about a javelin? the light attack is a melee option and the alternat fire can let you throw it/charge it up for more damage

[soft juniper]

• it could pierce through people when thown if you kill them so you could kill more people that way

[empty kindle]

when there is a light right up in your face what do you prefer hipfire or aim fire?

[acoustic pecan]

Hip fire every day for dealing with him close up

[steel cobalt]

depends on the wep you play i guess

[burnt sorrel]

hip fire but even if i ads i still get the kill so idk

[empty kindle]

but what do you prefer

[steel cobalt]

with assault rifels i prefer aiming down they seem to wide spread when hip fireing

[kind warren]

anyone ever combo'd a glitch mine on a carriable?

[soft juniper]

Sounds like an idea but it would be best combed with a C4 or breach and most people are allergic to team work

[kind warren]

so true bestie so true

i main a defensive build heavy, "teammates" always running the opposite directions of me

[soft juniper]

Yeah but the glitch mine is best used for defensive ways to hold a point But gas is just better at that

• I feel the glitch on the mine Doesn’t last long

But again I’m just exited for any new weapons specials or gadgets they add

• really want them to shake up the current meta