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[static light]

any more help with these types of interactions would be appreciated (stun gun? tracking dart? meteor showers???)

[heavy gale]

I can try and test some things out tomorrow with the dual blades

[sour flare]

just updated the season 3 text in the battle pass but didn't add any images. my hand hurts after all that typing.
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Battle_Pass

[minor finch]

yeah, I'm not a designer by any means but I def think it should be featured as the primary color

(in whatever way works)

[lapis kindle]

like i said.. that’s what we had

we’ll revert it

[minor finch]

I know, just resparking that discussion since it got buried a bit. Wasn't sure if any decision had been made yet.

[lapis kindle]

i’ll just revert it, since it’s easier to follow in-game UI colors and nobody is against it

[old citrus]

Just here to say I appreciate all the work yall have done on the wiki!

[pearl fern]

@lapis kindle I want to show you a new thing i've been working on for the item pages: it's a list of "features" per item, which shows a subset of 60+ features depending on which are applicable to the current item. each item page has a feature list that can always be consulted to find out things like "does the zipline have a limited duration? does the cl-40 hurt my teammates?"

Example of the feature list for Jump Pad:

here is the full list of features, ive designed all the icons myself based on the 6 in-game icons
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Template:Feature_icon

[lapis kindle]

that’s pretty awesome! where would they be shown, like on the Infobox or?

[pearl fern]

well I was thinking just a section somewhere on the page like in the screenshot, but just the icons could also be shown in the infobox with a hoverable description

[lapis kindle]

i think the infobox could work and it’s easy to apply across the board

[pearl fern]

i've researched all the properties for each item, so i can easily write an algorithm to implement it regardless of the format

but tbh, i don't think it'd hurt to display it on the page as most item pages are pretty short anyways (and it contains important info), i think both could work

[lapis kindle]

which ever works tbh

only reason i mention the infobox is because that’s where most of the summarized info is placed

[lapis kindle]

i don't mess with game files

[lone monolith]

We don't use anything that was datamined from the game.

[static light]

@minor finch here's all 3

[minor finch]

amazing, thank you!

[lone monolith]

Were we missing weapons?

[static light]

the cb1 ranked skins

[lapis kindle]

the icons per se

[lone monolith]

Ahh

I have most of them

[minor finch]

the last thing missing is these descriptions, then I think all beta items should be accounted for
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193672244531052567/1252760716222398526/image.png?ex=667363d5&is=66721255&hm=fb8f19d2ababab2b1da24ae3fcbfeaf3f0877e6b8c2b1b1d1edd3b1c971de7b4&

[lone monolith]

A Limited Edtion skin. Lifelong bragging rights.

A limited-edition outfit. Lifelong bragging rights.

(top for the weapon bottom for the outfits)

We just decided we won't include anything datamined when we started working on the wiki.

[minor finch]

thanks

[pearl fern]

I agree with this. This would be a great addition to the wiki. I think the wiki lead should have a new discussion on this standpoint. For the reason that Embark devs are too busy to provide us with in-game assets, and as a developer I do not see any ethical concerns, unless Embark specifically stated they do not want the assets on their wiki. Of course it falls under Fair Use, but that's not an issue since the website is hosted by Embark to begin with, so... I would hope that an Embark developer or higher can comment on what the team thinks about this.

[lone monolith]

Considering I worked with Embark to make the wiki, we don't include anything datamined out of respect for Embark. imo anything that you have to go out of your way to decrypt is off limits. This is not something I will be willing to change or lessen as it's a way into sharing things that aren't meant to be public

[pearl fern]

I understand not wanting to encourage people to access the game files to protect things like easter eggs or future content. I think respect is out of the question, as none could have more respect than those who spend so much time writing documentation about their game.

It is true though that the alternatives for gathering these are low-quality and extremely time-consuming by comparison. The volunteers don’t have time for it.

As a result of this policy, the Wiki will simply not be able to have some things. Think of something very basic like a complete list of voice lines, which we will never be able to have, not even in text form. Not because it’s impossible, but because it takes too many hours to research and process these things manually. They would only be worth volunteers putting in the hours if they were available in a more convenient manner. Yet, these are often “little things” that could genuinely help people if they were available.

I understand that this is what you decided on. But I also wanted to have it be pointed out that some things are being sacrificed here.

[brave fox]

Hey! I played the Beta, they don’t give me anything 😡

[candid sphinx]

Oh i didnt get anything from the beta either lol

[flint girder]

They gave CB gamers the Ruby skins early 💀

[tall lintel]

haha we did get cool stuff

[torn plover]

The dual blades also block charge and slam, I did some testing, it blocks all bullet damage by 80% and blocks melee damage by 67% Although it's possible to block melee and charge and slam, it is very inconsistent due to the active frames being able to hit repeatedly.

[static light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQHIHUekA60 here we go! W video @pale parcel

[pale parcel]

I tried retro invasion and meteor shower like twice each but it’s too hard
But judging by the other interactions I tried, you cannot deflect those (like orbital lasers and cannon balls)

Basically you only deflect bullets, throwing knives, tracking dart and arrows
And you block melee attacks and charge

Bore goes straight through you as usual, stun gun ignores you like the winch claw

This stuff is my hobby so yeah happy to if it helps

And thank you for the compliment

[pearl fern]

@pale parcel Your videos are awesome,And your commentary is really enjoyable !

[pale parcel]

I appreciate it a lot

[worldly adder]

How can I add new articles to the Wiki?

[swift nacelle]

Masterpiece of a video

[grave lava]

that was a very cool video 👍 thoroughly enjoyed

[tough stump]

look good but inconsistency it way to high on this weapon

[minor finch]

This channel is for discussing the community wiki. Please use #video-player-reports for evidence of cheaters.

[quaint mesa]

alright

[sour flare]

can someone test the battlepass page for me? if it's loading faster or not
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Battle_Pass

never mind, it's definitely faster now. i resized the season 1 images to match the resolution of the current battle pass, which fixed the long loading problem!

you guys can revert back though if you guys want it

[lapis kindle]

why did you reupload all the S1 BP images?

[sour flare]

i lower the resolution

[lapis kindle]

wym they were already low?

[sour flare]

i lower it to match the current battlepass image

[lapis kindle]

we can do that on the CSS, we don’t need to reupload images that are already very small KBs

[sour flare]

well if nothing change you guys can revert it back

oooh

thats my bad then

[glad kayak]

where can i find weapon specs for guns specifically the rpg, im trying to look at the numbers

[worthy spear]

idk how to edit the wiki but this seems like a pretty bad typo, should someone fix it?

[heavy gale]

it has been fixed by Smashel👀 totally not my typo

[heavy gale]

There's some stats here https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/RPG-7

[glad kayak]

Thanks

[chrome plover]

Why does the vanishing bomb have "Long cooldown" listed as a downside? 18 seconds is one of the shortest cooldowns in the game.

Plus it's a lingering effect so you'll roughly get a 14-15 second downtime

[simple fiber]

True

[compact talon]

Waiting for the day I can turn “is” into “was” for this gadget tbh

[dreamy summit]

did y'all ever figure out the dolphin easter egg?

[haughty lake]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1243224234675802135

[sand venture]

Engimo & Cometa Logo were shown already in 22.

#easter-eggs message

[lapis kindle]

ye Cometa we knew. Engimo we just didn’t know how it was written

[sand venture]

next time i should not just filter for the EE channel. should filter the lore & wiki channels too probably 😄

[open thicket]

Who is the man commenting on the game while scotty and June are doing the same thing?

[sour flare]

announcer

[lapis kindle]

no worries! either way it’s good that it got posted here so others see it as well

[clever solstice]

Is it just me who cant open the ''style'' at https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Cosmetics
its just loading

[minor finch]

It can take longer than most thanks to all of its images

[clever solstice]

ah yeah I noticed that, thanks

[winged nest]

what do you do when someone spams the heavy class grenade launcher ?
(im genuinely about to go play heavy for this reason alone, the sheer amount of nades is making me crazy)

[sweet grove]

Ever seen that one scene in "All quiet in the western front" when they get swarmed by tanks? I'm the guy that is screaming the whole time

[pearl fern]

Since this info isn't properly on the wiki yet, let me share it with you.

• Reloading the MGL32's magazine takes a long time, leading to long downtimes between firing. Also, it is not possible to quickly replenish one missing shell like with the [[CL-40]].
• Unlike the [[CL-40]], the MGL32 struggles to reliably hit nearby opponents when there is no wall or ceiling nearby, due to the forced bounce before detonating.
• --> When facing an MGL32 user, getting very close to them is often a death sentence for the MGL32 user, as the target becomes very difficult to hit. Additionally, close hits lead to the MGL32 user taking damage from their own grenades.
• --> Having the high ground over an MGL32 user (with no ceiling overhead) is also a counter to them, such as when peeking through a hole in the ceiling over the MGL32 user.
• Arenas where a lot of the fighting occurs in wide open areas, such as [[Seoul]], offer poor conditions for the MGL32, as there will often not be a nearby surface to reliably bounce grenades off of.
• --> Arenas with slanted roofs—[[Monaco]] and [[Skyway Stadium]]—also offer poor conditions for the MGL32 while fighting in the open, as it is impossible to reliably hit the grenades off of the slanted surfaces.
• When the area is largely covered in rubble, such as from a [[Sledgehammer]] user or from a collapsed suspended structure with the [[Cashout Station|cashout station]] on it, the MGL32 struggles to reliably bounce its grenades towards opponents due to the irregularly slanted surfaces.
• Since the MGL32's grenades are a projectile, the [[APS Turret]] is a direct counter to the weapon.

[winged nest]

thank you so much for the informations, I was really desperate to find counters to It as every game Iv'e had against this weapon, the cashout was in a closed space. also, can you do anything about it destroying walls like cardboard, like using shields or other statagems ?

[pearl fern]

if the cashout is in a closed space, breach the walls so you can defend it without entering the room. you can use red canisters or gadgets. Also, the best way to get a feeling for MGL32 counters is to play the weapon yourself, and you will play better against it.

let me know which class you are playing in which game mode and i can give you a more tailored advice.

[winged nest]

i play medium in cashout

[pearl fern]

You should bring the APS turret - other than that, a gun like the AKM/FCAR can usually outrange an MGL. not when you are dealing with many enclosed spaces of course, for this you can use the dematerializer (takes some games to get good with this) to create a new attack angle. Alternatively a guardian turret on the ceiling will be hard for an MGL user to take out.

[winged nest]

oo i forgot you could place turrets on the ceilling

[tulip spruce]

Not sure why you’re in this channel. #1201841543926005810

[empty pelican]

cause it didnt show bug reports it was hidden

[tranquil python]

i swear this sticker was free

[tall lintel]

it was lol

[verbal moon]

sticker was part of the valentines event, weird

[heavy gale]

ah you are correct, I will change that

[verbal moon]

I remember because the shirt from that event was 🔥

[heavy gale]

Mekk changed it to EVENT CONTRACT yesterday, thanks Mekk

[rapid plume]

How the hell does weapon xp work

[pearl fern]

Last I tested, it's a damage-to-xp by some factor, e.g. 0.4×damage and no extra XP for kills. Yet other people say that kills contribute to XP. So some research is needed in this field.

It also varies per weapon: sniper gave much less xp per damage than the AKM.

[sand venture]

#1201288968562552863 message

just as Info already for later-on. This is how the frog sticker probably will look like. atleast for the people that signed the petition 🐸

[rapid plume]

ty , currently leveling sniper and its about 1k to 2k per game

the grind continues

[pearl fern]

from my testing on the sniper, I got a rate of 0.2 × damage dealt.

[tranquil python]

team rivary for 300??! it is free

also cns spray was probaly from s2 battle pass

[haughty lake]

wasn't CNS spray from terminal attack event?

[tranquil python]

there was a white one from that

[haughty lake]

wait lemme look at my cosmetics

and the ace offensive is from last season?

[haughty lake]

I'm looking at my sprays and I don't have ace offensive spray even though I completed the whole battlepass last season, it's from S1 with the throwing cards

[tranquil python]

you are right!

[haughty lake]

there's also this epic spray

and these two

[tranquil python]

there also a missing sticker from lv2 of demat spec

[haughty lake]

a tiny spelling error

[compact talon]

erm… technically not a spelling error….

[haughty lake]

my bad

[compact talon]

ITS NOT OK!!!!!!

[lapis kindle]

you know, you guys can edit this yourselves... mistakes happen all the time

any cosmetics earned from weapon/gadget mastery need to be uploaded. i don't play the game enough to have them. you're free to do it as well

[tranquil python]

But im stupid

[haughty lake]

Idk how to edit xd

[narrow knot]

Since the beginning of season 3, each item has its own price, and I do not know if the prices of old items have been changed on the wiki (it seems not), and each category needs to be updated

[narrow knot]

for the styles page and specific categories:
you hover over the category and select the editing method to the right of the title (I prefer to use code, in this case it seems to me the fastest and most convenient), then change some information, after which you preview the edit or publish it with description

[haughty lake]

interesting, thanks

[distant wyvern]

Hey, just here to say that the Pearlstrike skin for the revolver is not there

[shadow ingot]

Asking for a friend, how many games played/won are needed before we can queue ranked together?

[heavy gale]

30 played

[violet lance]

Kyoto and Terminal Attack are missing in the menu

[heavy gale]

They are indeed missing, I'll get them added

[pearl fern]

i feel like the grenade is inconsistent between dealing 149 or 150 damage maybe if you stand on just the right pixel

[violet lance]

I think I've gotten 150 dmg only once or twice.
You probably have to stand right on top of the grenade

[pearl fern]

confirmed how combat score works:
+250 for kill, +100 for assist, +{DMG} for regular dmg, +{2×DMG} for 'critical damage dealt' (regardless of the crit multiplier).

e.g. SR-84 headshot grants 230×2 = 460 combat score, and if it's a kill that increases to 710 score for one shot even though it only did 230 dmg.
an AKM crit deals 30 dmg (1.5x), but will grant 60 combat score (2xDMG).

and most significantly, a dagger backstab that kills the target will instantly grant +890 combat score (2×320 + 250)

[pearl fern]

from my research it looks like item XP for each weapon works like this.

@vernal musk (I think you were interested in this)

[heavy gale]

we have added something to the main page which hopefully works, we shall see tomorrow

[vernal musk]

ooo that is very cool :D

[void path]

AFAIK it calculates distance from whatever is considered center of the character in this game. If the character is crouching, the center will be lower, so i will more likely hit for more. This also makes light a bit more vulnerable since its the shortest.

[pearl fern]

That would be a good explanation. I also think they simply made the damage graph look something like this.

Very frequently deals 149 damage, and rarely 150, and other times it'll deal reduced damage based on distance.. so it's some funky graph.

a more reasonable explanation would be that they used something like that where a lot of the times the damage lies between 149.9 and 149.0 but gets rounded down

[void path]

Does XP from criticals not get multiplied by 2?

[pearl fern]

only in the in-game score, not for weapon XP. I tested this interaction with the LH1, Dagger, SR-84 and some others

[void path]

Hmm interesting. I was under the impression that it was just 0.2 * combat score from wpn, but i guess thats not true.

[pearl fern]

for example, 2 body shots and a headshot + elimination with the LH1 (192 dmg) grants 192 + 96 + 250 score, but only (192 + 250) / 5 = 88 XP

[pearl fern]

it is, but only if you don't get any headshots, then you will find it desyncs.

what pioneer means is that you have to hit contestants with the weapon specifically, and that its not a translation of combat score gained using the weapon, only damage to opponents from the weapon.

combat score and XP are most likely rewarded in the same function calls, but they have different conditions and calculations and such.

[rancid skiff]

Anyone knows how much points we earn in World Tour? I know the winner takes 25 points but the rest?
1st = 25
2nd =
3rd =

[winter basin]

"standard" isn't spelt like that.

[winter basin]

why, isn't las vegas also suppoesd to have- they removed tripwires and turrets??? when?

[violet lance]

They removed it in the STEAL THE SPOTLIGHT! event patch

[heavy gale]

standart

[heavy gale]

what page is that? 👀

[static light]

Daily Tips have been added to the main page! They refresh daily and are randomly pulled from a table on the "Tips" page. Feel free to add any suitable tips to that table here: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Tips

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1dvwab1/the_official_wiki_is_now_offering_free_daily/

[tulip spruce]

I thought that the trajectory of the evasive dash was based of what direction you are moving. For example pressing D and dashing = going right. Or am I just stupid

[static light]

trajectory vs direction. the up/down angle of the dash is based on look direction.

direction of the dash is based on movement keys, or if no movement keys are being held then it just goes straight forward

[tulip spruce]

Ah

So I’m just stupid

[static light]

nah its kinda confusing tbh

[heavy gale]

Just a heads up that if you edit the tips table and add or remove a tip, the random tip of the day will most likely change instantly as the tips are randomised from 1 - max num of rows in the table so removing/adding changes the outcome. It's to be expected, you haven't screwed anything up if that happens.

[narrow knot]

for the last few years, I definitely thought that I was spelling this word correctly 🤪 (probably because in my language it is written and read with the letter t at the end)
but now I don't have the opportunity to correct typos, I would be grateful if someone would do it on the page of each game mode (and somewhere else...?)

[sand venture]

should be done i guess?

[distant wyvern]

Just popping in again to say the max drop off % for the revolver is incorrect. Should be 45%

[hasty flower]

I feel like I hadn't done it that long but idk

[worthy spear]

has no one put the Holtow Fine Print skin for the akm in the wiki yet? its not on either of the season pages

[haughty lake]

no season 3 page

[marsh oak]

Still a bit annoyed that I never received this. Would have been a dream come true.

Only got the hat sticker, despite watching the entire stream for that day

[ocean nest]

when was this??

[marsh oak]

Back in november

[ocean nest]

that skin looks fye

[worthy spear]

idk if people have mentioned this before and im not sure if anything can be done about it, but has anyone else noticed that the wiki has really slow loading times and optimization? it takes a really long time to get between pages on it

[pearl fern]

unfortunately Embark's provided web server is really unstable and sometimes there will be a couple minutes where the loading times are extreme, and at other times, they are mediocre yeah. dont know if a more specific reason has been given, but i don't think optimization is really the root of the issue here.

[heavy gale]

Yeah, it's an ongoing thing which they are aware of, sadly no news about it at the moment but hopefully in the future.

[heavy gale]

is it all pages for you or is it certain pages?

[sage lava]

yo why i cant invite my teammates from xbox ?

[worthy spear]

sometimes i can get to the main page, and if im able to do that i cant get through to the individual sponsors pages

[sage lava]

it just says failed to join even tho we have turned on crossplay

[worthy spear]

this is the wrong channel for that, but as far as I know, crossplay is broken rn

[heavy gale]

Not the right channel to ask but Xbox currently doesn't have the newest update due to issues #game-announcements message . So crossplay between Xbox and other consoles/PC doesn't work due to Xbox being on an outdated version

[worthy spear]

working now! just seems to function whenever it feels like it lol

[heavy gale]

yeah it does be like that times

[pearl fern]

@lapis kindle I've been working on an 'item page update' for a long time as mentioned before, and I wanted to show you the first complete page design and have your thoughts. Depending on your feedback this format will be applied to all item pages, with lots of new information on each page

I thought it would be appropriate to use the spear page as a first candidate:
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Spear

(old version: https://www.thefinals.wiki/w139/index.php?title=Spear&oldid=11894)

[static light]

I like it a lot from a content perspective

[pearl fern]

I’m sorry I forgot to mention you, the way the information is ordered (and which information is presented) is a big part of the proposed update, so your opinion is very important. Thanks!

[real shore]

great improvement

[stiff dove]

no leaked content please

[lapis kindle]

this is fantastic

[pearl fern]

Can anyone verify that the formulae display in black, when looking at the page’s “Item Mastery” section from a mobile device? (They are white on desktop)

[heavy gale]

it's greyish for me

[void heart]

White for me, android if that matters

[pearl fern]

I’m using Safari on iOS, maybe someone else on this platform can take a look

[lone monolith]

Might be a iOS thing

[heavy gale]

iOS always breaking things

[pearl fern]

Thanks for the confirmation, I’ll look into solutions

Just confirmed it also happens on MacOS, and tested on Firefox & Chrome for iPad where it also happens; it’s an Apple thing

[pearl fern]

I ended up applying some css filters that give the element a certain color. Now it's consistent across all devices

[pearl fern]

@static light secret message?

[violet lance]

are there spaces in between the dots and dashes?

[pearl fern]

Apparently this page is on Charge+%E2%80%98N%E2%80%99+Slam (‘N’ as if the N is a name) instead of Charge+'N'+Slam, I'll move it..

[pearl fern]

No, I guess that's a puzzle

[violet lance]

the only real word I was able to get is STABLE
"... - .- -... .-.. ."

[pearl fern]

Well, Smashel has lots of random easter eggs around the wiki with no relation to the actual game, so this may well be nothing. Or it could have been an early teaser for S2, don't know

@violet lance https://www.cachesleuth.com/unmorse.html This may be helpful

[violet lance]

This one is better https://www.dcode.fr/morse-code

It can generate every possible morse combination

[pearl fern]

ah yeah, the full dictionary only gives stable, but it doesn't take into account digits

[static light]

#1191470530180685895 its unofficial, just me having fun

[tulip spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/no-more-fun-allowed-evil-gif-25554996

[static light]

sorry frog girl

[tulip spruce]

[tall willow]

this doesn't look good lol

[balmy obsidian]

are there solutions or more people that encounter screenfreezes that take like 10 seconds every time when you get out of a game???

[heavy gale]

Hey fren, this isn't a support channel but it's worth checking #1201841543926005810 to see if people are experiencing a similar issue.

[balmy obsidian]

tnx

[heavy gale]

so this randomly popped up in my head for some reason and it would be nice if we just had one central place like a json file where we can put the patchnotes for gadgets/specialisations/weapons to display on their pages.

I'll look at working on something within the next week or so, need to figure out what kind of json formatting would be best for it or what other way would be best

[pearl fern]

I haven't had time to explore the idea further very much. Though I think that if a lookup script - on a list of lots of unordered items - is invoked every time a gadget page is loaded, it might have a performance impact, especially since this thing would be on nearly all of the interesting pages. It may be worth looking into whether it would be possible to set up an automation or bot which generates a template for each subject. E.g. Template:ChangeHistory/AKM. (this would be done after the patch notes of an update are added, so every week or so.)

And on the AKM page, there would simply be a {{Template:ChangeHistory/AKM}} - no unnecessary processing is done

[heavy gale]

There's a way to cache data using lua scribunto (supposedly, I haven't looked too much into it), my thought was maybe just a global json which contains something on the lines of like

    "0": { 
      "3.2": [
        "change",
        "change"
      ], 
      "3.1": [
        "change",
        "change"
      ]
    },
    "1": {
      "3.2": [
        "change",
        "change"
      ], 
      "3.1": [
        "change",
        "change"
      ]
  }}```

if 0 = V9S, 1 = whatever then we can just have a massive json file full of every change which then gets parsed into scribunto and then we can make it so when we call the module it only grabs "1" which means 'whatever' weapon. 

Or a better way to organise the json, that one is just an example. It means all we need to do is edit a json file, fill in the newest patch for each weapon/gadget/specialisation and then it'll update on all pages.

We could also try parsing every page within let's say the patches category and then pull only lines which mention the weapon/gadget/specialisation.

also I never really use json so would have to learn how to format it

[pearl fern]

Once a format is established, I can pretty easily set up a way to convert all existing patch notes (at least starting from Release, Pre-release would be a more manual process) into the new format if needed

but for the beginning you'd want to set up a smaller list of test patch notes of course

[pearl fern]

That's interesting, but it's not great from an editor's perspective.

entering the new patch notes into the wiki shouldn't mean having to split all the items manually, as this is also really hard to check for correctness

this JSON file you mention is possible to have as a technical in-between as a sort of cache, and then for the editors, here are two ideas:

1. a patch page which is a table with data per patch. columns include the Patch, the applicable Pages, and the patchnote text.
2. a json with patches, but organized by patch and not by item. this one would also include the introduction text and such, that means we could also automate a page about the patch later

in either of those ideas, you would need some sort of automation to convert the "page for editors" into the "technical json format organized by item"

[pearl fern]

also, by this I mean that all the items (patchnotes) in a patch would be really far apart, so there'd be no way to easily check if all the items from a patch were properly added to the wiki
(but more importantly it would just take an unnecessary amount of time for a human to sort the patch into all the appropriate categories)

But to be a bit more nuanced, most patches are pretty small, so it wouldn't be that big of a deal if a format is used where editors need to categorize the items manually.

[heavy gale]

yeah, my 2nd idea was based around having it more orangised by having the root elements be the patch number and then the weapon ids or weapon names would go under that patch number like

"3.2.0": {
"v9s":
"aaaaaaaaaaa":
}

But I get that people might not want to manually enter data into a json thing

[pearl fern]

with that you lose the benefit of fast lookup times

now it does it in O(n) instead of O(1) basically

and yeah, I think something like a table (similar to 'Tips') is a solid idea as it invites editors to add a patch (json scary) but the module should NOT pull directly from the table unless the data can actually be cached effectively

[heavy gale]

true you would need to loop through ALLL OF IT to get to the right parts, unless you make a script which sorts it all out beforehand into different cache's which we need to run weekly because weekly patches which will hammer the wiki A LOT for however long it takes for parse a big arse json file.

We can try your table idea though, it's possible to cache stuff but we'll need to make some modules that allow us to manually reset the cache every week we want to update patchnotes

this is if caching actually works properly

[pearl fern]

parsing a json of the finals patches should not take longer than a few seconds. it is a problem if it happens every page view, but not once per week

I think the simplest idea might be table (add rows to this each patch) -> automation converts it to json, activated by admin or just whenever the table page is edited -> stored in json per item (not meant for editors) -> template pulls from json.

[heavy gale]

trying to think of how it'll work, modules run every time a page loads which means we'll need a module which doesn't run every time and only when we run it manually to grab all the data from the table

[pearl fern]

but if an automation can be figured out that writes to a json file, it might be just as easy to write an automation that edits an item-specific template, and no module would need to be loaded on page view

[heavy gale]

to be fair though, the current tips table we have for the top of the day is grabbed every time we load the main page and it runs well but that only has like 60? enteries

I should try adding caching to that and see if I break it somehow

[pearl fern]

the module loads the entire table into memory then grabs a certain array item based on the daily seed, now try that with thousands of patchnote rows, where it has to scan EVERY array item not just one and compare it against a string, and it does this on every page load...

[heavy gale]

I like breaking servers, is a great stress test

I see you've read my god awful lua code though

[pearl fern]

I was curious because I was thinking about setting a patch registry up myself eventually if I had some time

your code is fine for what it wants to achieve lol, but we're gonna need a tougher machine for this trick

[heavy gale]

I can get a test wiki setup if you want

[pearl fern]

Sure

[heavy gale]

it's gonna run on a rpi5 but it'll handle whatever we throw at it, just might be a bit slower but the real wiki is slow anyway at times so that doesn't change much

[pearl fern]

just say: "Runs on RPI5, giving us performance exceeding that of the real Wiki!"

[heavy gale]

I'll get it setup for us to test some theories on how to get the patchnotes thing sorted and we'll work from there

[pearl fern]

I'll finish up the item pages update

[heavy gale]

oh yeah, great work on that btw, it looks great.

[pearl fern]

The 'Item Pages Overhaul' update is complete. It greatly improves the information available of each item page and, apart from the infobox, redesigns the presentation of all the content.

• New introduction text for each page in a consistent style.
• 'Usage' section, explaining how to deploy a weapon or gadget.
• That section implements the new Control Scheme template, with custom-designed PC/controller buttons, explaining which inputs to press.
• 'Properties' section, explaining in which ways this item is similar to other items (scope, projectile, critical hit, structure damage...). Did tons of research for this. This section ensures completeness of technical information without sacrificing readability through walls of text. I also designed 60+ icons for the different properties (img 2).
• 'Strategy' section; now always split into Strengths, Weaknesses and Tactics. Wrote lots of new content for this section as many pages were missing strategy tips.
• 'Mechanics' section that holds technical details, present for those interested but out of the way for casual readers.
• 'Item Mastery' section, explaining the exact XP reward sources for this weapon or gadget. A lot of research was done for this, I've done weapons and @strange frost researched most of the gadgets (Your research has finally reached the wiki ). It also has pictures and XP reqs of each level reward.
• Added trivia on each gun: which IRL gun it is based on, and some fun info about that weapon.
• Sorted images/videos into galleries at the bottom of pages, and added some new pictures for gadgets.
• Lots of other small improvements.
• All the new content was written in such a way that it invites editors to contribute (no big templates).

I've been working on this update intermittently for a few months. It adds well over 300,000 characters across 65 different pages! See an example of how the MGL32 page was transformed in the image. I hope everyone enjoys the additions!

[lapis kindle]

speechless. thanks for your hard work, Limoen!

[lone monolith]

[orchid linden]

heyo.. i just wanted to make ya'll aware that some of the CSS has been broken for a while now.. and im not sure why, or if you can change that??
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Volpe

like the thumbnails on this page are just.. broken

and the logo in the footer is inverted for some reason... so it looks bad

[lone monolith]

huh

[orchid linden]

oh weird 🤔 ive tried clearing cache n the usual stuff too

im on Firefox... ill check another browser
...I just looked and it seems to be fine on Chrome - idk sorry 🤷‍♀️

[pearl fern]

Doesn't happen for me on Firefox

[pearl fern]

This did get me curious though since the images in the above example are very large, so I checked. It seems like MediaWiki isn't actually sending a smaller file for a resized image, it's just sending the full 1024x1024 image even though the image is only about 100x100. so it seems like no thumbnail generation is taking place here. normally an image of this size is about 20KB, yet the images on this page go up to 300+KB.

[frigid stone]

ranzio was missed from the Holtow Insured Driver set so I added it to the wiki

[void heart]

The barricade and motion sensor (and maybe others I didn't check) pages incorrectly say that they can be selected by any medium build loadout

Also I know the rpg is reshapeable and idk about nades but I think they are too, so they should prolly have that under the projectile part of the page

[sonic scroll]

I'm lowkey tryna hit this in a match

[lone monolith]

You can reshape grenades

[pearl fern]

My bad- of course there were bound to be a couple typos in the new additions. But thank you for pointing it out. Of course feel free to make an edit if you see a mistake

[pearl fern]

I had noticed that the dome shield is reshapeable, but I forgot about the other grenade gadgets- will adjust

[rancid lion]

Hey my wiki-friends. I've checked the Cashout Wiki Page https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Cashout and its hella outdated. Still listing ranked tournament and only one sentence about World Tour. Can I write here something on my own? What is the process?

[rancid lion]

Especially for World Tour I would expect some info about how to get points and how many and so on.

[void heart]

make an acc and then theres a lil pencil you click that lets you edit

[rancid lion]

ty!

[rancid lion]

How can I add videos? I see the reference with [[File:xyz.mp4]] but how do I upload?

[pearl fern]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Special:Upload

[rancid lion]

ty

[winter basin]

does anyone have a more detailed map of sys$horizon than the one on the wiki? i needed it for a fan idea for something, but i need more details.

[upper mortar]

Guys i think i found a mistake on the finals wiki

It says right here that "ospuze bold" sticker is from cb2 bp, but from what i know, this sticker was rewarded for level 3 in the OPEN beta battlepass

I also believe that it is missing an epic emote called "Mwah" obtained from the "Be my Valentine!" valentine event

[lapis kindle]

if there’s an error, you can just click Edit and revise it

[upper mortar]

i dont really know how

kinda new to this whole wiki thing

bro the wiki is missing SO MANY COSMETICS

[lapis kindle]

just list them, we’ll try to update

and if you’re referring to Cosmetics from Equipment progression, then yes

[upper mortar]

no no im talking mostly abt event rewards

[lapis kindle]

i haven’t uploaded those, but anyone is welcome to contribute

[narrow knot]

check battlepasses page

[upper mortar]

ill try to find all the ones that arent there

[upper mortar]

well yeah but it doesnt matter what it says on the bp page if it says wrong on the cosmetics tab no?

[lapis kindle]

it’s not the end of the world. just list the ones missing. i’ve basically been doing it on my own

[narrow knot]

I told you to check that you fixed the error, because the battlepass page shows the correct rewards for playtests

[heavy gale]

It was also in the closed beta 2 battlepass by the looks of it at level 14 (so technically correct). However, the CB2 one wasn't a perma reward unlike the open beta one, oops.

[upper mortar]

Heres what i believe is missing from the cosmetics:

THE ENTIRE "The Mercenery" BUNDLE (except the "contrast viper" body paint and "bloomy salute" bundle) (the whole outfit is not listed either for some reason)
THE ENTIRE last 2 bonus pages of the s3 battlepass
THE ENTIRE last 10 new progression rewards (level 50-60) (except one or two items)

Eyes:
Fiery Photon Lenses (legendary, circuit reward)

Headwear:
Spotlight Stealer (Epic, from the steal the spotlight event)

Facewear:
Engimo Facet shades (Rare, circuit reward)
Ospuze Shades (Epic)

Upper Body:
MISTAKE: The wiki shows only one colorway of the "Shoulder Guards" while the bundle includes 4 diffrent colorways not listed on the website

Badges:
Phone Case (rare) (the white one)

Upper Back:
CNS sync sling (legendary, i think it was a circuit reward)
Cherry Bomb belt back (rare, bundle)

Lower Back:
Snuggle Support (epic, level 21 in the s3 bp)
Historical Hi-Fi (epic, community event) (the pink one)

Hands:
MISTAKE: The "engaged in battle" ring is listed as common, while it is a legendary
MISTAKE: The website shows only one colorway of the "Spiral Throwers", while the bundle they are in contains 4 other ones which are not listed
Weighlifting gloves (epic, urban operative bundle)

Lower Body:
CNS sync slacks (legendary, i think it was a circuit reward)
MISTAKE: The "Combat Cargos" are listed as epic, while in game they are a rare cosmetic
MISTAKE: The website shows only one colorway of the "integrated Pants" (same as the Spiral Throwers and Shoulder Guards)
Joggers (rare, the Rusty Rascal bundle)

Feet:
Combat Boots (common, Steal the spotlight event)
MISTAKE: The gray version of the "Slip On Trainers" is just named "Slip" on the website
MISTAKE: The white version of the "Slip On Trainers doesnt have a price on the website (its 50 credits)
Low Sneakers (common, Rusty Rascal bundle)
MISTAKE: The wiki only shows one colorway of the "Sports Cleats" (same as the rest of the bundle)
MISTAKE: The "Slip on Trainers are listed twice, once as rare and once as common, the correct one is common
Bunny Bash Shoes (rare, Easter event reward)
Canvas Shoes (rare, community event) (the pink ones)
Chunky Wedge Trainers (rare) (the vaiyaa white ones)
Stage Stompers (rare)
MISTAKE: The "Bronco Striders" are listed as epic, while in the game they are rare (from the "Downtown Desperado" set)
Competition Kickers (rare, from the "Nocturnal Wisdom" set)

---

Jesus Christ this was so tiring to make, im going to sleep guys so ill do the emotes and sprays etc. tmrw if thats ok

I will also do the weapon skins as well as charms and stickers

[lapis kindle]

thanks

you don’t need to rush btw, we all contribute on the Wiki in our free time

[upper mortar]

Btw quick question, is there a way to see all of the stickers and charms on wiki? i cant seem to find them

[lapis kindle]

Style (Cosmetics) page, at the bottom under the Equipment section

[upper mortar]

thanks

[winter basin]

is there any benchmark for distance? i'm writing ideas for new specializations and i need a reference point for distance

[void heart]

Hm maybe a new section for ranged weapons covering recoil could be helpful. Including a written description of how to control it (for that weapon), alongside a picture of the recoil pattern for 1 mag (like how the shotguns get a picture of their spread)

[pearl fern]

That would be very nice. I wanted to have some additional things like this, but didn't have the time to carry out all this research.

I would have added: a graph for damage falloff, a diagram of the recoil of one mag like you said, and also statistics on kill times (which should be calculated automatically based on centrally stored damage data, but that's another story)

if people wanted to gather new information, i'd be happy to provide some new templates to display them nicely

[pearl fern]

Yep, simply ping somewhere and it will have the distance displayed on it

but uh, a gas canister is about 1 meter if that helps as a reference

[void heart]

I'll try no guarantees tho cuz I got shit to do for the next while. Isn't DMG falloff just linear between it's normal DMG and it's falloff value tho?

[pearl fern]

Yes it is, but a simple graph will help make the falloff concept more understandable than just some numbers

[void heart]

Oki

Hear me out

What if we put sponsors on the wiki. "This page is brought to you by OSPUZE/volpe/etc"

[pearl fern]

It’s the volunteer writers that make the wiki possible

Writing something like that would be dismissing them. It would be possible, if the wiki was written by an Embark team of paid editors..

[void heart]

Bleh

Who's paying for the domain (legit question not an aha)

[heavy gale]

While an interesting idea, it doesn't really bring anything to the wiki, just some extra text on the wiki which isn't exactly useful information.

[void heart]

Or is it on some free wiki hoster or sum

[pearl fern]

Embark

[void heart]

And the sponsors also bring shit to the game itself aside from atmosphere and flavor, which is what they'd provide to the wiki. I will drop this idea tho idrc

[pearl fern]

If you have a couple bucks spare per month, you may be able to find a more reliable server though.

[void heart]

Who made the website itself (like the html or whatever)

[pearl fern]

Uhh, well let’s see, in terms of html the wiki is a free software made by Wikimedia foundation, and the “styling and back end “was handled by Luke

It’s basically a reskinned version of Mediawiki which basically all game wikis use

[heavy gale]

So it uses the citizen skin and then the whole elements in the main page + some other things were wire-framed in photoshop by SPEAR and then I made it in CSS/html with help from SPEAR/Kyne/Smashel

[lapis kindle]

unless this happens in-game or in-universe, it won’t be reflected on the Wiki. sadly, it isn’t the place for role-playing or headcanons

[void heart]

Ok

[full field]

lol

[static light]

like this

[void heart]

ya that works (what game is that for)

[static light]

cs

[void heart]

ah

ya something like that would be great

[zenith mist]

Da da dingy is a tech which involves using one goo packet, one barrier shield, and one grenade, to create what is known as "da dingy" a device capable of launching a full team at extraordinary speeds

[minor finch]

I just remembered this, was it looked into much? I still think it'd be super beneficial, although time consuming I'm sure

[lapis kindle]

added missing cosmetics + revised labels. waiting to unlock some items from the BP to upload, don't wanna photoshop them

if anyone wants to revise missing or mislabeled cosmetics from the Equipment section (sprays, charms, etc) you can just list them here as well and i'll take care of updating

[pearl fern]

It’s under development

[hollow tendon]

idk if this part isnt done yet but im pretty sure the historical hi-fi lvl21 version is a different image

[lapis kindle]

i’ll check, most likely new image did an overwrite on the original one. no biggie, thanks!

yup, that was it. revised

[hollow tendon]

[rose geyser]

Question, do the Eclipse Shade skins have muzzle flash? In the skin showcase on YouTube it's absent, but people say this was just a visual bug and/or patched. What's the case?

[lapis kindle]

i don't have any of them so can't confirm but i hope it's just for the showcase. imo, sometimes those videos don't represent the cosmetics properly because they're rendered differently than how they look in-game (i.e. lighting, textures)

[rose geyser]

Hello, sorry if I'm bothering! But where exactly did you find the iconography you used?
And if anyone knows, is there a source where we can find the icons that are in the game directly, such as the ones of your loadout when in game?

[void heart]

So I have the sa1216 skin (I'm literally the heavy from the newest official art, same outfit and weapon lol), and it does still have flash. Actually, the flash clips through the muzzle brake and looks weird (it's only noticeable at the end of a game when time slows and it says what place you got)

Kinda wish it got the flash parting through the brake but it's such a small detail and I never noticed it aside from the end of the game, so I see why but still

Eh oh well

[steady sparrow]

Is there a list of the cosmetics that distort or alter your character's voice? It'd be nice to have a reference on what skin/part does what. For example if you didn't know that the Multi-Mood Mask was distorted, but female only

[lapis kindle]

we can definitely add a description to those that do it

[pearl fern]

There is no source of icons, we have to screenshot them and crop them ourselves.
Also, if you are asking where I got the property icons, they aren’t from the game, I drew them myself

[quartz zealot]

Similarly the crash dummy face changes your voice to a male

Idk the name of it but it’s the skin with the orange jumper

[lapis kindle]

Dashboard Smirk

@pearl fern just noticed that M11 is missing the Weapons Skins section, might've slipped during the overhaul

[pearl fern]

My bad, placed it back

[lapis kindle]

no worries! i only noticed because i'm working on some new things for Sponsors and needed to check some M11 skins

[short viper]

wheres the moolah merch link in the wiki?

[static light]

thoughts?

[minor finch]

Those look good, very informative

[wild frigate]

Can I get the MGL32 Spray Pattern?

[wild frigate]

Thank you!

[pearl fern]

They will be a great addition!

I think the numbers aren’t very easy to grasp at a glance. I think a gradient, e.g. from white to red, would work even better

That way you can really tell where most of the bullets in the pattern are, instead of having to calculate it first based on the numbers

[rain abyss]

There’s no merch 😔

[tardy girder]

awesome

[deft fern]

when is emerald coming????

[narrow knot]

next update

[hearty iron]

how many points are given in WT??

[short viper]

pls wiki link

[abstract tendon]

it's in the channel's description

[short viper]

oh shit mb

whoever made the wiki did a good job

[quartz zealot]

Real

[tall lintel]

its a community effort :)

[minor finch]

actually I made all of it by myself

[short viper]

10/10 community effort

[minor finch]

Model 1887 Concrete Smoke needs adding apparently #⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[lapis kindle]

yeah, i haven’t masked it
i’ll upload soon

[rare widget]

Does the wiki have any info on performance problems like Stutters?

[narrow knot]

I do not think so. But I can give advice from my friend to you and anyone who sees this message: If your menu freezes after the match for a few seconds, then you need to delete your in-game friends and leave them around 50-100

[rare widget]

I don't think I have more then like 15 friends added in game but I will try deleting all of them

I tried a fresh install of the game and it worked perfectly for the evening I played after that fresh install

then today I booted it up again and its back to stutters that make it unplayable

[narrow knot]

this only affects the menu freeze

[rare widget]

Menu is fine

no issues there only when I get into a game

This genuinely is so awful

I really enjoy this game but I can't play it like this

Doing a fresh install every time I want to play is not practical

It's a stutter that happens once every second or so

[quartz zealot]

Nice job on the wiki

[edgy zephyr]

what am i looking at

[minor finch]

recoil patterns

[edgy zephyr]

lot to look at, good 2 kno

[hollow tendon]

imo thermal bore should be included in the tactic section of the SR-84

since bore is like breaching charge except longer ranged (which is useful for snipers)

[willow ice]

updated this now

[hollow tendon]

Thx

[violet lance]

A link to the ospuze.com page could be added to the Ospuze wiki page

[tardy girder]

@minor finch

[lapis kindle]

hit the Edit button and add it

[crude aurora]

How much damage does the BOW with a full charge do ? “bodyshot not a headshot

[heavy gale]

120 full charge

[flint prairie]

Is it significant enough to specify the model of famas the one ingame is made to be?

Oh wait it actually is

[celest citrus]

This needs updating with the 75 tournament wins and needs a rank breakdown for the emerald 1-4

[minor finch]

Level 2 site needs updating to Level 3. I don't think I can edit it.

[heavy gale]

Updated, minus that it still needs a password which I assume will disappear soon considering EE people found that out

[dusty quail]

Hope these files will help when you add the Disk #22 Easter Egg to the wiki!

[haughty lake]

interesting

[minor finch]

Added
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Kyoto_Secrets

[dusty quail]

@minor finch btw do we have the Kyoto loading screen images?

the wiki seems to be missing multiple of those

[lapis kindle]

we're still missing loading screens for various maps

[minor finch]

we did recently find this one on the content creators webpage
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/62d66fa29e72c560f8efc020/94f10327-e26c-47d7-8910-18f2505369b4/bkg.png

not sure if it actually appears in-game or not

also a night time version with a keyboard mash filename
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/62d66fa29e72c560f8efc020/2e9087c7-9e99-4b13-b100-4fd6a90d8662/sdfgdsfghdfgh.png

I've added both

[dusty quail]

oo I think those do come up on google search, yeah

[willow ice]

is thefinals.wiki down?
or are the load times just extremely bad

[celest citrus]

Load times bad, having same issue myself

[kind belfry]

hello, i'd like to claim credit for me and @ocean bison for running TFEEOS. the section can be found at easter eggs > hunting community > TFEE Omelette Showdown. i dont know how/if i can edit the wiki myself so im putting the request here, thank you!
#1233885697149108375 message
^ proof for credit

[static light]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Hunter_Community#TFEE_Omelette_Showdown ✅

W embed

[kind belfry]

ty!

[crude aurora]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1182330398299140127

[limpid pond]

what is it?

[real stirrup]

I've been trying to find some time to update this section to be more of an onboarding section for new EE hunters, but I think we can still have part of that being the EE community, and include this

The church of the holy hunters has kind of done its thing as a meme

[lone monolith]

I've also been meaning to update the timeline I was working on but I've always been busy

[violet lance]

I feel like we should give Joakim and Midas sainthood. Both have worked on their own EEs or helped rob hide his EEs

[sand venture]

agreed 😄 what does others think?

[flat harbor]

the dome shield page has not had the patch added to the change history

[minor finch]

Thanks! feel free to create a wiki account and fix any mistakes you notice too, it all helps :)

[flat harbor]

will do 👍

[willow ice]

@lone monolith what provider are you guys using for the wiki? seems to be down like 40% of the time 😭

[heavy gale]

It's being looked into

[willow ice]

thank youuuu

[lone monolith]

As luke said, we're looking into it

[hollow tendon]

How accurate are the weapon stats

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[final fjord]

I apologize if this is not the appropriate channel but does anyone know where I can find the video transition and glitch effects that Embark uses to create their trailers? Or anything similar. Don't wanna do that by hand in a video I'm making

[violet lance]

I don't think we have that. You could look if it's included in the content kit that embark offers https://www.reachthefinals.com/content-creators

[final fjord]

This is helpful. Thank you

[willow ice]

i try to look at the wiki for the 5th time... it's down.. 💔

[toxic stone]

Might be a little late but cap cut has a glitch effect but idk if it’s the same.

[final fjord]

I made one myself. Also used some assets from Embark. The trailers

[dusty quail]

MultiCo's logo in 2008, posted by Rob

it seems the MultiCo logo is black and red, so it would be cool if the Wiki image was updated to black and red!

[proven thicket]

Would be cool to have the XP breakdown of all equipment on one page instead of going to each one individually ty for the breakdown been wondering how it worked since s1

[compact talon]

hi

[abstract tendon]

those are in-game files that are not meant to be distributed and would fall under rule 9 #🟥┇rules

[compact talon]

oh okay no problem

[turbid plume]

whats the higest ttk gun

[robust compass]

So who is Scotty and June? I want backstory n all

[minor finch]

use #📕┇lore to discuss lore, but their wiki entries are at https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Characters

[willow ice]

Like how they level up?

[proven thicket]

Yeah for the skins

[violet lance]

Probably the flamethrower, but I'm not sure

[sage aurora]

model ig

[violet lance]

Can kill faster than the flamethrower. I can't think of a weapon with a higher ttk than the flamethrower

[lapis kindle]

we haven’t updated the old bundled item images/prices

(re: the msg that was deleted)

[compact talon]

why is the wiki so slow

[compact talon]

why is the wiki so fast

[distant wyvern]

Can there be a way to get back to the front page that isn't hitting the normal back button. Like clicking on "The Finals" on the top of the page

[heavy gale]

You can click the logo in the top left to go back to the main page

[distant wyvern]

ok, because i cant really see it on mobile

[heavy gale]

ah, it should be on the bottom left on mobile, if the navbar isn't there, try scrolling up a tiny bit and it should appear

[distant wyvern]

ok i see it now, thank you

[sour flare]

can someone test if this page is loading faster or not (i was testing some stuff) https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Battle_Pass

tried it on my phone and it's faster. not sure about anyone else.

[celest citrus]

It's definitely being slow

[sour flare]

eh whatever can't do much about it

[celest citrus]

After loading it for the first time on mobile, closing the tab and going back to the link though it's like instant 😂

[lapis kindle]

are you trying to do what you did last time?

[sour flare]

no? it didn't work right?

but i update some bp image and fix some text blabla

[lapis kindle]

there’s no way for us to fix loading times from our end. it’s sadly a hosting issue

[heavy gale]

because it caches the page/images locally so it's faster when you load it on the same device

[celest citrus]

It's not a world ending issue really, it's just a pain sometimes

[heavy gale]

We are looking into the slowness of the wiki though, hopefully it'll be sorted

[sour flare]

why dont we just make a new pages for each season battlepass 🤔

[heavy gale]

That's already a thing, each season page has a battle pass section, minus season 3's one hasn't been filled in

[sour flare]

where?

[heavy gale]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Season_2 then Season_3 and Season_1

[sour flare]

this one is definitely loading faster

why we don't use it though?

[sand venture]

The wiki is based on mediawiki right?

Was LazyLoad already tried? (just an idea)

[heavy gale]

We do use the season pages, it's linked to the big banner on the main page. The battle pass page is basically just a massive page that just lists every battle pass so people don't have to visit every season page

[sand venture]

battle pass page is sometimes used by hunters. its just easier to have all images at one place instead of switching 3 pages

[heavy gale]

The option for lazy loading images is on, it's just the host is a bit sluggish either way when it comes to trying to load images that show first

[sour flare]

can we make something like this?

in the future, if the finals gets to like 10 seasons, we might have around 1000 images on one page, and it'll probably take 10 minutes to load.

fewer images mean faster loading, right? so i think this is much better. and if ee hunters want to use the old battle pass pages, which are sometimes used, we could just make new replica pages.

[proud plover]

why is the molten mask removed from the molten set????????????????????/

[heavy gale]

Fewer images does mean faster loading, true. Hopefully it'll be faster though when it comes to loading images.

Replica pages are fine but it also means having to remember to update said replica pages with any new battlepasses.

[heavy gale]

The mask was never apart of the molten mark set, it was always a seperate store item.

[sour flare]

why this blue?

[heavy gale]

Blue is just the default colour for TabberNeue

[sour flare]

so the color can't be cahchge?

just curious

[heavy gale]

it can be

oh and the hover colour is blue because it follows the color-primary--hover css var which is used for hyperlinks

[sour flare]

[tacit pumice]

is the skin broke? It's no longer golden?

even though it shows it on the left

[abstract tendon]

the team is aware of this

[tacit pumice]

oh okay, im a returning player after not playing for a couple months, was just wondering, thanks!!

[tacit pumice]

is the team aware of the issue on PC where all the selection options are slightly above where they are supposed to be?

like clicking on customize doesn't do anything, i have to click slightly above on the actual item to register my click on customize

[livid delta]

might be something to do with your resolution setting

[lapis kindle]

this the wiki channel. use #bug-discussion

[tacit pumice]

oh thank you, my bad

[narrow knot]

placeholder icon

[sour flare]

is there layout guide anywhere?

[violet lance]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Style_Guide

[sour flare]

thanks

[sour flare]

why use this

instead of this?

[sour flare]

this one doesn't provide any info in the description, so why are we still using it?

[lapis kindle]

these skins are used by many folks in the community

[lapis kindle]

these are to represent what's in the Equipment/Style section

the Weapons skins are PNGs, the others are icons

what are you looking for exactly?

[sour flare]

yeah, i'm just wondering why we don't add descriptions for the weapon skins.

or any other stuff

[lapis kindle]

i mean, we could look for a way to add them

but it's not a matter of "why still use it" because they're for different purposes

[sour flare]

yeah, sorry, I used the wrong word.

i was thinking of something like this

what do you think

[lapis kindle]

that could work but we're sacrificing the Tabber for descriptions, when people just use the skins section for the images

[sour flare]

i could just increase the image size

and we have that thing on the right side

[violet lance]

I prefer the current layout with the tabber. But it would be cool to add the description to it somehow

[lapis kindle]

it's not about the image size. the Tabber allows us to have skins in just one compact section that is easy to navigate

i'll check with Luke and we'll look for a way to include descriptions on it

[sour flare]

[bold tangle]

The thing I look for in weapon skins is the inspects so having that display would be great

[sour flare]

this doesnt count as sponsor?

[lapis kindle]

there's tons of graphics that are not necessarily sponsor logo related + we call them brands until we know more info about them or are officially brought as sponsors to the game

[upper juniper]

winch claw max range is 12m now, isn’t it?

[river mortar]

Yes

[keen drum]

guys saw that theres very little info on sys, kyoto, vegas webpage wiki compared to seoul and monaco, id seriously like theres to be updated, and improve all map webpages so itd be more attractive to non players

[lapis kindle]

make an account and update the pages just like Seoul and Monaco, everyone is welcome to contribute

[keen drum]

oh ok thats great. i thought only authorised ppl selected by embark did it.
edit: now i see that it says finals community wiki srry

[lapis kindle]

no worries! we got "staff" that helps keep things organized and such. you'll see some pages are locked to prevent trolls from editing or deleting them. but anyone can contribute into updating and giving feedback

[keen drum]

oh great thanks

[lapis kindle]

if you got questions or want someone's feedback, just ask in this channel

[minor finch]

Is there a way it could be made clearer, on individual pages, that you only need an account to edit? This is what non-logged in users see, which can be confusing for somebody unfamiliar with MediaWiki.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193672244531052567/1285919106419261491/image.png?ex=66ec04fe&is=66eab37e&hm=7949dbf56571764809a0b363cb94cd08e27eb42eaae2f833c5e5f79e41710a6e& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193672244531052567/1285919114078060636/image.png?ex=66ec0500&is=66eab380&hm=ac43ef1638d02be8cfff0639d7ea36dd04e8b2994b42dfcfcaa80af03a8c6d4d&

[lapis kindle]

@heavy gale something we can look up perchance

[sour flare]

is there charm or sticker pages?

[lapis kindle]

Cosmetics > Style > Equipment

also you can search for "Charms" or "Stickers" and it will appear on the results

[sour flare]

thanks!

[willow ice]

wiki down

@lone monolith

y'all should look in to miraheze, it's super good and completely free with no ads (and the uptime is a lot better :P)🙏

[lone monolith]

[willow ice]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-sorry-sad-cat-love-cat-cats-cat-gif-3997044575451409500

[lone monolith]

We're looking at options

[compact talon]

Have you considered the best wiki site ever made

Fandom.com of course

[compact talon]

What’s wrong with the best website of all time

[peak glen]

wiki.gg is also an option, they can automatically transfer a wiki for you

[heavy gale]

managed wiki hosts are decent but they all tend to restrict what extensions you can use and also sometimes don't allow you to have different wiki skins minus customising the default vector wiki skin.

[sour flare]

i just updated some of the sponsors by adding an appearance table. i'll update the rest when I have more time.
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/CRMP
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Junopaico
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Ranzio
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sodracing

[sour flare]

is this CRMP brand? the CR>MP

[sour flare]

also do we know what this symbol called?

it appears alot on invada or dxz cosmetic

[lapis kindle]

this is IVADA related, so no

[lapis kindle]

we don't. again, if you don't see it on the Wiki it's because it's not a brand, at least yet, and just a graphic element

[lone monolith]

What SPEAR said; generally we need a little bit more than just graphics for a us to add them to the Wiki as a brand/sponsor.

[sour flare]

[mossy belfry]

Is the light's sword closer to a spadroon or cutlass? I'm just examining the curve, (lack of) fuller, and function (slashing and thrusting)...

[violet lance]

Would it be possible to add a "Brands" property to cosmetics? This could be used for a query to only list the cosmetics of a specific brand.
This could be used to automatically create the appearances table which @sour flare made for 4 brands manually

(I have no idea how media wiki works and if this is possible)

[violet lance]

Something similar to this could also be used for the "Change History" section of weapons/gadgets/etc.

[lapis kindle]

we could add a "Brand Elements" section within the brand/sponsor page and place screenshots of examples there

[snow ruin]

can you buy tiers?

[lapis kindle]

@sour flare you need to let us know when you change a page like the Sponsors one

[sour flare]

Okay

is it bad though? like, you could just revert it.

[lapis kindle]

nono, not at all. it's just easier for all of us to work if we know what others are doing

[sour flare]

got it

[minor finch]

With sponsorships arriving in S4, what do people think about splitting career progression into three separate articles? Something like the screenshot below.

I remember there was some talk about a new XP/progression transition page, would a change like this interfere with those plans?

[lapis kindle]

i don’t mind this. where would it be placed?

[minor finch]

I was thinking of wiki/Career acting as the TP with these links

with the current home page setup, the Career TP would itself be linked under wiki/Cosmetics

like wiki/Career Progression is atm

[lapis kindle]

then these could live inside Career Progression

instead of creating a new page?

[minor finch]

I mean Career Progression being renamed to just "Career" and moving its contents into the separate articles

should've specified

Current

• Cosmetics (TP)
  • Career Progression
    Proposed
• Cosmetics (TP)
  • Career (TP)
    • Career Levels
    • Career Circuits
    • Sponsorships

[lapis kindle]

i don’t mind that

just thinking the amount of clicks

if there’s a way to have them all in the same page organized with tabbers and such, that’d be better. but i understand wanting them to be separate for loading times

[minor finch]

hm they could be tabbers, my only concern is the Career Progression page becoming bloated with the levels, every season's circuits, and now sponsorships too

[lapis kindle]

no ye i get that. having them i. separate pages with their own sets of season would be better in the long run

[heavy gale]

We could add career to it's own little spot on the homepage if we want instead of it just living under Cosmetics....although it is basically just cosmetics in the careers

[lapis kindle]

i think main menu is fine, just a matter of user flow when it comes to Career

[violet lance]

The career page could show only the current seasonal cosmetics, with a link to a page that lists all past career cosmetics

[sour flare]

added cometa page https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Cometa

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/X7//AV
x7//av too

[sour flare]

season 3 bp image updated
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Season_3#Battle_Pass

and here's my idea for the battle pass page in the future. what do you guys think?
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Wetbattery

[lapis kindle]

yeah i’m pretty sure we had discussed this already

[heavy gale]

Aye that's good

[compact talon]

Guys we should make a wiki for the finals

[wraith pelican]

I really wish Season 4 can be pushed back to Friday

I need 3 more wins for E3 😦 ahhhh

[compact talon]

get them rn

[wraith pelican]

I tried. I have work and can’t stay up all night. Just a sticker for E4 is crazy work.

[sour flare]

take a day off and just play like your life depends on it

[lapis kindle]

main page update has been pushed. FYI, i had already working on the new S4 cosmetics and weapons, no need to work on those images. just have fun playing!

[sour flare]

thanks

[turbid plume]

why is the the finals wiki not updated

[lapis kindle]

it’s the first day of the season, and it’s community run..

[heavy gale]

stats are updated, minus some DPS values needing to be recalculated, main is updated thanks to SPEAR. It's getting there but as SPEAR said, it's community ran, people are either busy playing, working or sleeping.

You can help contribute if you want to, just make an account on the wiki and update what you want updated

[sour flare]

what do you guys think?

[lapis kindle]

what are we trying to achieve here?

[sour flare]

free and premium

[lapis kindle]

are these for the tabbers under each Season page?

[sour flare]

yes

just asking for oppinion

[heavy gale]

I like it, maybe add a smidge more margin at the top so it isn't so close to the tabber line.

[lapis kindle]

hm. i get the idea, i just don’t like it visually

[violet lance]

Maybe make it part of the card like the rarity colors on the bottom

[sour flare]

free and premium color?

[heavy gale]

that'll look weird imo having 2 different colours linked together unless you get rid of the rarity

[violet lance]

Why is the rarity of Lvl 8 thinner?

[lapis kindle]

image is different

[sour flare]

yeah it's bigger

[lapis kindle]

tbh, i’d rather have either Free or Premium have an asterisk (*) or something instead of adding another visual queue

it works on the BP page because of the table format

[sour flare]

but it's tabber

[static light]

[sour flare]

[violet lance]

How about a semi-tranparent box in the bottom right corner of the image that's labeled "FREE" or "PREMIUM"

[sour flare]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Wetbattery

code is in here

[midnight reef]

why is it named wetbattery?

[minor finch]

That's their userpage

oh actually it isn't

[minor finch]

heads up you should probably use https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Wetbattery to draft stuff instead of making an article, just so it's not included as a main namespace

[sour flare]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-oh-damn-oh-daymn-daym-damn-gif-2649905700736798302

and i can't delete that page

[lapis kindle]

we can delete it for you

[sour flare]

thanks you

and sorry about that

[lapis kindle]

it’s all good

[static gull]

Heard you guys like top downs as much as I do 👀

[lapis kindle]

thanks Midas!

[heavy gale]

Thanks Midas

[lone monolith]

Thank you Midas! (also good sponsor choice)

[rose geyser]

Out of curiousity, what Holtow themed character cosmetics are there? Not the direct obvious ones, like the level progression and the sponsorship one. Think something like the Impact Candidate set: a bundle which is sponsored by Holtow. Any others?

Holtow Insured Driver is obviously another one

Also seems the red all-weather jacket is one, based on the right sleeve

Cashbox QB, that's another one

[onyx falcon]

does anyone know how the new playercard badges work? What are the numbers to unlock what are all the tiers?

[void heart]

might be useful idk

[dusty quail]

it's dynamic

[strange terrace]

Wondering the same... I have an amethyst badge for revives, assuming it's 10k revives for it. Wanna know what it is for kills and money

[minor finch]

We should try to work out the thresholds for each badge and add them to the wiki

[proven thicket]

107 for bronze kills, probably 100 but he ended the game with 107 afterwards

Also 50 revives is bronze badge

[haughty lake]

How many for the gold badge? I don't know when I would've unlocked it

[proven thicket]

Not sure, just sharing as we unlock them, playing with a new friend plus a returning

[haughty lake]

Alright

[violet lance]

1000 wins is platinum badge

[proven thicket]

Not the exact numbers but
1101 wins = plat
16k kills = plat
3137 revives = plat
46.6M cash = gold

Heavy gold is possible 500 wins (main heavy so probably half are heavy)
Silver I'm assuming is 250 since I got silver for both and that maths up. I have heavy ach on both Xbox and PS5 so definitely 300+

[bold tangle]

I believe kills is 10k for Plat
And revives is 2.5k for plat

And for wins silver badge I think it might be default or a very low number because I have med and h silver and I barely play them

[solar abyss]

Does anyone at what point amethyst badges are obtained yet?

[minor finch]

I agree on these two

[heavy gale]

looks good

[sour flare]

until you notice this

[heavy gale]

is that an inaccuracy in the game or in the pictures themselves?

[sour flare]

the image is bigger than the rest that why it's look like that 😂

[heavy gale]

hmm, it doesn't matter too much but we could always crop the pictures to get rid of the rarity bar and use some of the css from the CosmeticCard to include a rarity bar

for the ease of completeness though, it should be fine for now

[warm field]

Does anyone have info on the player card badges and what the different tiers mean? Silver, gold, etc. What are the thresholds for each? 1k revives for diamond revive badge? Anyone know?

[heavy gale]

There's not much info about it atm minus like #📂┇the-finals-wiki message but it's being worked out

[warm field]

Thx

[sour flare]

not sure about that... editing this new bp would be a pain.

[heavy gale]

if you create a template for bp item which are inline then you could have a single css sheet which means edits to css and shit apply to all within said template instead of just having inline css

[sour flare]

ill try

i think im too dumb for this but ill try anyway

[heavy gale]

You're doing a great job, you aren't too dumb

think of it as something like this https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Template:EquipmentCard minus that one was rushed by me and I need to actually improve it.

which that template has a stylesheet of https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Template:EquipmentCard/styles.css

[proven thicket]

Do you have the achievement for 150 wins as a certain class?

[bold tangle]

Only for light

[frosty shoal]

stats vs badges for @proven thicket

[static light]

here's mine

[proven thicket]

So 2.5k revives is plat

And 10k is definitely plat kills

[lapis kindle]

ooh ty. i’ll add these icons to the Player Card section under Style

[minor finch]

(yes my stats are bad)

[minor finch]

yeah
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193672244531052567/1289255816612024432/image.png?ex=66f8288b&is=66f6d70b&hm=b195ec7a5f2537ebd57d4bc8c14b7632558d58405dfae0c6a077ec04c0e38dfc&

[heavy gale]

those stats aren't bad

[minor finch]

these are my best estimates atm (outdated)

[sour flare]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639
the template not work with gallery

[static light]

421 wins is still Gold

[minor finch]

I was about to say this too cause of dread's card :P

that muddies things then

[heavy gale]

guess I shall chuck my stats here

[compact talon]

I really wish these were public

[keen hare]

Does anyone have backgrounds from engimo with tree in good quality ? and holtow with cyber hand and credit card

[compact talon]

is this a new bundle

[keen hare]

no

[minor finch]

these should be more accurate but still some guess work https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193672244531052567/1289397217618165875/image.png?ex=66f8ac3c&is=66f75abc&hm=077d611737e239d92e5eed1593cafcf7d7899eb4f2ad34728bd63acb8ef12353&

also I'm not sure if Bronze starts at 0 or not

[void heart]

From s2

[gusty blade]

does anyone know how the sponsor competition works? @arctic garden is it just the amount of people signed with each sponsor?

[arctic garden]

There was no information given yet afaik

[gusty blade]

XD lmao thank you tho

[gusty blade]

what about player card badges? for example what are the wins needed to go up from bronze to silver light pklayer, does a qualify count as a win? ik you probably dont have this info too but it will be so awesome when its public info.

also i really think player cards (or atleast the badges) should be shown before the round starts in the loadout selection screen. i want my team to know im a diamond level reviver and light player before they dc

[proven thicket]

100 kills for bronze, 50 revives for bronze

Damn need 30k more kills for purple

[minor finch]

thanks

I wonder about the Gold revive badge. I've seen people with 800 have it.

[minor finch]

699 revives = Silver so I assume the Gold threshold is 750
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYiOW2YXQAAe9dn?format=jpg&name=small

[minor finch]

Wiki is down btw. Not sure the extent to which that's in our control though.

[crude aurora]

It’s an old one

[halcyon fern]

are there also the nerfs and buffs of the weapons, abilities etc in the wiki?

I cant get on the site rn because of timeout

the wiki generally takes ages to load

[slender trout]

?

[lapis kindle]

story of everyday 💀

[tranquil python]

how does one get a nama security sticker?

[sour flare]

no clue

no one have it though?

[static light]

do we know what these numbers actually mean? is it how many players are signed or how many tiers have been completed?

[violet lance]

It could also be the sum of every players fans divided by a certain value

Does anyone know how wins and losses are counted in a Tournament match?

Is getting qualified in a Knockout Round a win or only winning the final round counts as a win?

[sudden hinge]

The contracts track winning a round as a "win", so winning a knockout rounds counts

[minor finch]

almost complete now

[bold tangle]

Silver elims is either 500 or 750

Does anyone even have amethyst cash flow manager

It's probably 250 mil if I had to guess

[sour flare]

is file size affect the loading speed? cuz that image is 30 megabyte

[heavy gale]

File size does affect loading, yes.

[lapis kindle]

why are you uploading such big files?

or whoever uploaded those

[sour flare]

paul did

He tried to test the gif or something

[lapis kindle]

we don’t need these at all

[sour flare]

idk how to revert it back though he change whole file

[lapis kindle]

i'll revert it

[minor finch]

oh because those icons were animated?

[lapis kindle]

ye, each last BP page item is animated but we don't need this in the Wiki. we just need small size files

[heavy gale]

We try to avoid big file sizes mainly for user experience, if you have multiple big files on a page that someone needs to download with not-so-fast internet then they're gonna be waiting longer for said image or page to load.

Secondly, GIFs over certain frames/size tend to not autoplay unless we tweak settings which means either way, it'll just show a single frame unless user clicks on the gif which in all fairness, most won't click on it.

[fleet comet]

Is there a section of the wiki that has the milestones for the badges

[minor finch]

I was planning to add one soon

[fleet comet]

Kk

[daring pecan]

do we know if the badges for the M, H, and L wins might be the same # as the regular fixture badge? or is it likely they are a different number

[bleak jetty]

Dont know where else to ask, is the XP for weapons per kill / assist documented anywhere?

[tight plaza]

how far into the world tour ranks have we got info on required WP?

[sour flare]

it should be on its own weapons page

Item Mastery

[bleak jetty]

Didn't know they were there, thank you. Its for the deagles but from checking the other pages they all share the same formulas

[warm field]

Does anyone know the threshold for the badges? Kills, revives, wins, for silver, gold, plat, etc?

[minor finch]

here's my closest estimates

[warm field]

Fuckin goat

[bold tangle]

Silver cash flow manager probably 1, 2.5, or 5 million and more likely a lower one with bronze potentially 500k or 1 mil if silver is 2.5 mil

3 million could also have potential for silver

[fleet comet]

is there a reason the wiki is so slow rn?

[stoic kindle]

well shit

there goes my life

[haughty lake]

Isn't it always so slow?

[fleet comet]

I mean sure but it took 3+ minutes to load a new page and everything else on my computer was fine

[sour flare]

which page?

[lapis kindle]

there's always a loading issue. hosting problem sadly

[lone monolith]

me with a bronze badge for kills with 53k+ kills

[narrow knot]

Some images from the Nexon website

[finite wasp]

The Pike-556 looks to be based on the KelTec SU-16, specifically the SU-16CA. The base version seems to lack the case-deflecting charging handle and dust cover. The Eclipse Shade skin is closer to the SU-16C, including a folding stock, case deflector and compact forend

[lapis grotto]

That shoukd be in the weapons and gadgets section but idc

[lapis grotto]

I got platinum virtual lifesaver and u thought it was silver

[finite wasp]

Figured some of it could be added to trivia. It's the less obvious of the three

[fleet comet]

this seems like the right place to ask is gold the highest baddge you can get for class wins

[minor finch]

Nope

[proven thicket]

Ooo the wiki getting a new page

[bleak jetty]

I have the plat heavy badge if you still need it

[sour flare]

thanks ill upload it

[sour flare]

you shoulve ask embark team not us

[steady nymph]

I guess, you're right

[balmy laurel]

Is there a page where it shows how many WT points you need for each WT rank ?

[static light]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/World_Tour

[balmy laurel]

thx

[tight plaza]

world tour is so much less than i thought lol

[minor finch]

Thoughts on adding World Tour to the main Gamemodes TP? I can't edit that page myself.

It's not a core mode, but could fit below them alongside the LTM link. Example and source on my page: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Raid

I understand if it's more consistent to keep it only accessible via the Cashout page though

[sour flare]

i tuoguht wold tour is a core gamemode now

[haughty lake]

Is already on cashout page

[minor finch]

True, the question is just whether WT warrants its own inclusion. It has a dedicated article, unlike Quick Cash and Ranked Tournaments, and Wiki visitors probably expect it to appear on the gamemodes page.

But it's not a core gamemode, it uses the Cashout gameplay loop.

[lapis kindle]

people need to use the search bar more i guess

i think Luke was working on this WT update

[lapis kindle]

have these been vectorized?

[sour flare]

nope just png

got it from nexon site the icon name should be on the file

[lapis kindle]

gotcha, ye Nexon has been doing a great job at keeping their site updated. i'll vectorize these then

thanks for sharing!

[sour flare]

thanks for vector it too

[sour flare]

my battlepass page idea is finish what do you guys think?
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Wetbattery

[lapis kindle]

ye i think this can work. we can tweak the transition page a bit + update some of the images. thoughts @heavy gale ?

[heavy gale]

There's already quite a bit in the cashout page for World Tour which also links the World Tour page as it's article

[heavy gale]

Looks good, I guess in terms of accessibility, are we just going to keep it under the Cosmetics transition page which links to a battlepass page which contains all those blocks?

[lapis kindle]

ye i think we keep the same flow. BP banner on main page should also link to this TP

[heavy gale]

It's not really a BP banner though, more a season banner which just links to the season page considering we don't actually have the battlepass part on the S4 page at the moment.

[lapis kindle]

agh true true

well either way, i don’t mind the current flow tbh

[lapis kindle]

we’re aware

[sour flare]

just making sure

ill leave the rest on to you guys then

[minor finch]

Sponsorships page is up, I've added Holtow rewards but can't add the others. I've also turned Career Progression into the transition page we discussed a few days ago. https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sponsorships

[static light]

Thanks Raid! I can share the Iseul-t ones, Engimo might be harder 🤣

[bold tangle]

I can send screenshots of every page of the engimo rewards later

[static light]

I can add the names and descriptions myself

[bold tangle]

Probably in an hour or 2

[minor finch]

I've been thinking about this and tried something out on my user page. Is this roughly what you had in mind?
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Raid

Making the distinction between progression pages and cosmetics pages can be difficult though.

[lapis kindle]

this could work, just a bit iffy about adding yet another icon to main menu but i guess it wouldn’t be the worst thing?

but at the same time, we could just rename “Career Rewards” to “Career Progression” and call it a day

which reminds me, Bundles page is hella outdated. is it worth having?

[heavy gale]

I don't think it's really worth having considering you can now just buy cosmetics seperately from bundles anyway

[heavy gale]

would make it an event number of 8 instead of 7

[lapis kindle]

i vote for archiving it for now

[minor finch]

If Bundles is archived, there'd be room to add WT rewards to Cosmetics even if Career Rewards stays there

[heavy gale]

https://tenor.com/view/work-files-filing-cabinet-file-it-in-the-back-gif-10490790

[static light]

it seems like you gain more fans if you wear your sponsor's gear.

I got 222 for a whole tournament win with 0 ISEUL-T cosmetics on, and 586 for a first round loss with full ISEUL-T gear.

also yes please archive the bundles page I haven't updated it in like 7 months lmao

[bold tangle]

Ok I'll get those screenshots in a second

Here are the engimo rewards

You can crop more if you need I just removed anything for sure unimportant

[gloomy marlin]

do you have the holtow ones

[static light]

yes they're on the wiki already

[gloomy marlin]

ok

[minor finch]

Would it be better to use tables for change history rather than the headings we use currently?

I was adding Dome Shield changes and noticed it'd be more compact that way.

Current headings for comparison

[static light]

yeah this looks way better

[minor finch]

cool, I'll switch them over

[sour flare]

updated engimo appearance
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Engimo

[gusty blade]

does anyone know if a qualify counts as a win?

[sour flare]

nope i don't think it counts toward wins in contract

[gusty blade]

not for contracts but for badges

for example say i first place in round 1 and 2, but lose the final round

[static light]

i think that counts as 2 wins

[gusty blade]

okay now if you 2nd place qualified both rounds and then won the final round would that only be one?

[minor finch]

I think that would be the case

[finite heath]

They might be ultra rare SCOTTY but I think they are ultra rare SCOTTY

[sour flare]

I have a question is this xp break down is the same for every weapon?

[bold tangle]

This is incorrect, qualifying does count as a win for all purposes unless specifically stated that it requires tournament wins

[sour flare]

ok

[sour flare]

added engimo signal flux cosmetic
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Engimo#Specializations-0

[heavy gale]

I'll work on that battlepass transition page later today

[sour flare]

what to do with the logo in the middle it's look really weird

[heavy gale]

@lapis kindle you're the design man

[lapis kindle]

well i don’t know what’s the context here. where is this and what are we trying to do?

[sour flare]

engimo sponsor page im tryna add ceo here

or it is no need

[lapis kindle]

we can add it, but the modules are responsive to images so they expand. i don’t think we need a third column for the CEO

also if you’re gonna do this, best is to come up with a way that can be standardized for other Sponsor pages

[sour flare]

got it

[lapis kindle]

maybe the image can be squared, like how we do it on the Characters page

[sour flare]

never thought of that

[heavy gale]

I do have one thing, would it be worth making it so the overview text is just a standard wiki text without the block around it, just so Embeds don't do "." as it can't detect stuff inside divs and all.

It probably wouldn't look too good though if we ended up doing that

[lapis kindle]

we can try it and see

[lapis kindle]

again, i just don’t think we need 3 columns. if the Overview text is a normal section on the Wiki i think it could work

[sour flare]

ill skip this one then it's look weird

[lapis kindle]

don’t think i’m explaining myself

i can give it a try later

[heavy gale]

try removing the overview part from the Info cards completely and place it above it so it's just normal wiki text like and then you can have the CEO portrait and logo in the 2 cards

[lapis kindle]

this. i would put CEO on left and logo on right

and we can keep the current format for the brands that don’t have CEO headshot images

[lapis kindle]

ye exactly. logo title should be “Brand Logo” and we can remove the description from it

[sour flare]

so we using this now?

[heavy gale]

[lapis kindle]

ye it works for now. only for 3 brands but still

[sour flare]

just wait for the next three months, and we’ll get three more

[sour flare]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Vaiiya
updated the vaiiya sponsor page.

[minor finch]

The sponsor pages look good! I just noticed some elements are a bit non-standardized, what would you think about

• Using the gallery template for the image gallery instead of a table
• Moving cosmetic icons to the left-most column and listing their types as normal (this also helps mobile users)
• Using in-game cosmetic icons for every item instead of cutouts

[minor finch]

Not sure if a table is the best way to do this, but thoughts on an Attachments section for each weapon?

screenshot is an example draft

[static light]

looks good

[minor finch]

Thoughts on adding a template like this? For cases where {{Stub}} isn't appropriate. Like with the Badges page, where the article is fully written but we're missing some icons and thresholds.

[sour flare]

jts still up

[sour flare]

ill try your sguesstfion in the next 3 hours

[sour flare]

psodracing? or sodracing? guess we never know

[lapis kindle]

sounds good

[compact talon]

Sodracing sounds so bad 😭

[sour flare]

it could be psod like a reference or something

[sour flare]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Battle_Pass has been updated thanks you mr luke (still missing all battlepass page)

and i also update all of the season battlepass section too and sponsor appearance image icon (will update more if i have time)

[minor finch]

added as {{Missing}}

[worthy spear]

has no one compiled a page for IVADA yet? seems like someone shouldve done that already (not me i dont have the first clue as to how to put that stuff together)

[sour flare]

you mean its own ivada page?

[worthy spear]

yeah, like a sponsor page with their cosmetics and stuff

[sour flare]

yeah i did that, will work on other sponsors too if i have time

[bleak jetty]

here are the holtow badges without the locked symbol if you wanted them instead

[lapis kindle]

Wiki is a collaborative effort and not everyone works on the same thing, luckily Wetbattery has been building said pages little by little

[minor finch]

@sour flare Just a heads up that we don't need to include the rarity bar in screenshots. It's often more consistent to upload only the icon, since templates like CosmeticCard add rarity with CSS

Ideally we have one image for each item, which contains only its icon, and then we can add/remove the rarity bar via templates in different contexts.

[low bough]

does somebody know if motion sensors from heavy class work through smoke?

[sleek solstice]

Quick test makes it seem no

Is this page on the wiki not going to include previous BP skins?
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Engimo#Weapons-0

Wondering because the S4 Engimo sniper is listed but the S3 Engimo AK & Dual Swords are not

[lapis kindle]

once again, all of these pages are WIP. just hasn't been fully updated. there's currently 1 person working on this (Wetbattery)

[sleek solstice]

I didn't mean to be confrontational about that and I apologize if it came off like that, it just seemed like that page was one of the few that may have been finished to me incomparison to the other sponsor pages :P

I appreciate all the work done on the wiki, of course

[sour flare]

will be added in the next 3 hours

[heavy gale]

FYI, I've gotten rid of the ==Overview== (only the tile, not the text inside it) on the Holtow/Iseul-T and Engimo page as it's not really needed and trying to make it so it stops embeds having '.'

[sour flare]

but hwat is .?

[heavy gale]

it's when the WikiSEO can't find any text within the page that it can use, it basically ignores any text that is within templates or under headings.

not sure why it just uses . when it can't find any content, would think it would just leave it empty but whatever

[tawdry sail]

Do you guys need any help for the wiki? I'm good at photoshop

[sour flare]

Its mostly coding stuff

[tawdry sail]

Oh i see, can't do lol

[lost marsh]

what kind of coding stuff

[sour flare]

its quite easy if you know what you doing

its not like programming coding

its more of a template editing

[heavy gale]

you could also do it in visual editor for ease but some templates may look weird in visual editor

unless you're editing/making templates themselves then you will have to use source editor.

[lost marsh]

Yes I saw, I added some S4 Cosmetics to the holtow page, will add more once I unlock them

[sour flare]

nice

[wary rover]

Are there be pages for the 3 classes that show their health, healing delay, speed, etc? I haven't been able to find similar outside of the Fandom wiki.

[lost marsh]

not yet

but I believe that is global and only was changed for TA

might be wrong tho, afaik it's 10 seconds without damage and it's the same rate for everyone

just checked, it is different

[wary rover]

No, that was the past-
It's 10s for Heavy, 9s for Medium, 7s for Light.
TA is unchanged iirc and all classes take 10s to hit that HP softcap.
I might be wrong, but I think natural healing is 50hp/s?

[lost marsh]

yeah that seems right

[wary rover]

I think they changed this some time in S3?

[lost marsh]

healing seems arround 40-45hp/s

it seems to differ in classes tho I think heavy heals slower

nvm it's the same, arround 42hp/s

[heavy gale]

we can look at potentially adding some sort of infobox/text for each class which has stats in it.

[lost marsh]

how are you doing with the sponsor levels?

you picked engimo right?

[sour flare]

what level

[sour flare]

you mean the level in game? i got to level 6 lol didnt play much

[lost marsh]

oh lol