retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[dull jolt]

Thats why despite my story complaints, I give FF14 an little slack because of it being an MMO sadly.

[exotic thistle]

They seemed to map out the trials similar to shadowbringers

[mint sail]

||Even with the Loporrits and their oversized carrot farms, we get an idea of what has to be done should it come to evacuation (suspending my disbelief for the meanwhile) and a preview of what manufactured beings have to come to terms with about individuality||

[keen osprey]

Like, many "hard mode" dungeons are revisiting them either with a new narrative, or a continuation of what happened when we revisit the dungeon because of what we last did there

[exotic thistle]

For example shadow had ||titania, then vauthry almost at the end, then hades||

[mint sail]

of course it helps that they're pretty darn cute

[dim sigil]

It's not going to happen but can we please go back to one more then 1 dungeon per patch

[dull jolt]

Their cuteness can only last for a short awhile for me with my ADHD

[mint sail]

||oh also the Final Days phenomenon being limited to only Garlemald and Thavnair didn't make it feel big enough to me||

[keen osprey]

Yeah. That's why i said it's through no fault of their own. It's just an unfortunate consequence of the medium of their game.

[dim sigil]

Every single ew trial and dungeon felt like it was like they don't feel like filler I guess as much as other places felt like in shadowbringers every ew dungeon happened when it needed to happen to advance the plot

[mint sail]

||I wanted it to cover every map on the source, dammit||

[exotic thistle]

I found the whole thing with ||the loporrits and their attempts to satisfy us|| to be pretty funny when I was going through it

[keen osprey]

That's what ||Role quests|| are for supposedly

[dim sigil]

|| They have the perfect archetype they are so well-meaning and caring but utterly lacking common sense ||

[mint sail]

||the mobs that showed up during the role quests didn't look terminus-y enough to me||

[keen osprey]

Oh yeah, i agree

[mint sail]

||where's the red and the brown and the overall body horror||

[keen osprey]

The MDPS role quest especially... it's just a ||dragon...||

[exotic thistle]

||The costumes part was my favorite moment with them. I asked them to make me something that embodies my bloodlust and looked like a crafting ironworks glam knockoff lol||

[mint sail]

was it really? I forgot already

[hollow ice]

technically ||its the knights 12 but actually 1 transformed into a dragon||

[mint sail]

wait, you mean magic dps

[keen osprey]

Well... yeah... what did u think the M in MDPS meant?
oh... i can see the confusion

[mint sail]

My bad, I thought you were referring to melee dps, but my point still stands if I can't remember them properly

[dim sigil]

|| It's really stupid doing them after msq though like final days are over but oops people are still transforming I refuse to accept it as Canon that any of them can take place after msq ||

[hollow ice]

Mariachi DPS obvi

[mint sail]

DNC

[hollow ice]

exactly so confusing

[exotic thistle]

I feel like ||The role quests were interesting less so because of the blasphemy themselves but more so the underlying story explored through them. Like I got the caster version and I got to explore the affects of the dragonsong war more on ishgard||

[keen osprey]

i typically call them pdps, mdps, and rdps

[mint sail]

I did melee dps and tank

[keen osprey]

I did tank and caster

[mint sail]

So it was Limsa and Gridania respectively

[keen osprey]

Caster is Coerthas

[mint sail]

Both had to do with their respective leaders and how they came into power (and the sadnesses that occurred on the way)

[dull jolt]

Speaking of roles, I'm disappointed that ||I didn't see my Ninja/Rogue mentors in the exac 😭 ||

[keen osprey]

I'll probably be doing melee role quest next since RPR is my next class to hit lv 85

[dim sigil]

New smn is fun btw

[mint sail]

well yeah the whole point is to not be able to see them

[keen osprey]

i should probably try it out... but RDM is just soooooo much fun

[exotic thistle]

I want to level a summoner soon now that I'm done with the MSQ

[ebon vortex]

wasn't that the same issue as doing ||eden after 5.3||?

[keen osprey]

the new QoL changes while somewhat minor and doesn't affect the rotations, makes it to much easier to play RDM

[dull jolt]

[exotic thistle]

I love the changes they made to BLM to. I forget to use laylines sometimes but it feels like that don't end up struggling all the time cause of movement in fights

[dull jolt]

Btw should I farm the fates in the EW maps to earn gil?

[keen osprey]

Lvling SMN means also lvling a SCH, 2 role quests unlocked in 1 shot lol

[exotic thistle]

Like if I prog I always have options to deal with a misstep or handle mechanics. Mainly cause of 2 charge triplecast

[dim sigil]

|| I can buy some stray Sin eaters still existing after 5.0 there's nothing indicating that they they would instantly all be gone plus there is still the empty so people can still transform I don't like it but I can accept this one a bit more
the final days however are over the song is not being sung anymore ||

[indigo shale]

||well ofc they arent canon to msq they are level 85, thats when they are timebubbled too||

[keen osprey]

Well... lemme ask u... How far away is the Empty?

[dim sigil]

|| No they acknowledge the final days is over if you do them after ||

[keen osprey]

And how fast is the speed of sound?

[ebon vortex]

no, i meant the involvement of ||thancred and urianger|| lol

[humble heron]

The empty is super close because ||its what my heart is||

[dim sigil]

That has time bubble

[keen osprey]

Perhaps... ||the remaining song of oblivion that was already sung is still travelling to Etherys?|| lol

[exotic thistle]

||The biggest excuse I can give is that the role quests timeline wise take place in parallel with the MSQ, so doing them is like going back in time. Kind of like finishing heavensward and doing the dragoon ARR MSQ||

[indigo shale]

like you can do omega in 8.5 but those events still take place when SB patches did

[chilly bluff]

||Btw the Tales from the Twilight series of short stories that they posted to Lodestone told us ahead of time who we would be following for the role quests this time and some backstory for each. We didn't know it at the time, as these were released back in August, but yeah. Turns out all of these were relevant.||

||https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_twilight/sidestory_01/#sidestory_01||

[mint sail]

also a little detail I noticed about the default city-states' role quests

[dim sigil]

|| That's still a bit weird but it works within the time bubble
the role Quest specifically take place and acknowledge that you have defeated the final days if you do them after msq ||

[exotic thistle]

BTW ||zenos was a great ass villain. They made me want to kick his ass while also understanding him||

[mint sail]

Each one are for a role not included at ARR's launch

Gridania has no tank, Limsa has no melee dps, Ul'dah has no healer(?)

[dim sigil]

|| As someone who liked zenos before I love how much of a background element He was this time because they did it perfectly he could not force his fight ||

[mint sail]

I forgot which role was for Ul'dah

[keen osprey]

@dim sigil ||An alternate explaination is that the song of oblivion travels at the speed of sound, and the ones that have already been sung is still travelling to Etherys, despite us stopping the source already lol||

[humble heron]

||he certainly has a great ass||

[exotic thistle]

lol

[keen osprey]

^

[mint sail]

also Ishgard (HW) has no caster and the East (SB) has no ranged dps too

[dull jolt]

Speaking of ||Zenos, that final fight against him was great and I liked that fight more than the final trial ||

[dim sigil]

If I can guarantee anything though EndWalker is going to be a bit more controversial split opinions of the story and I've definitely seen that around the community

[keen osprey]

Makes sense. Ishgard takes pride in their knights. They don't even like Machinists...

[exotic thistle]

||I chose to admit that one aspect of being an adventurer I liked was seeking thrills and challenge and fought him with him feeling like I accepted him at last. I'm happy I did that. Despite how horrible he was to other people I know he struggled with finding meaning in life and was happy to have given him that in the end||

[mint sail]

I might use ||"A test of your reflexes"|| for my phone ringtone

[humble heron]

||momma said knock you out||

[ebon vortex]

||if the transformation parts occur post final days acknowledgement then yea it would not make sense||

[dim sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-knock-out-gif-9592733

[exotic thistle]

I could nitpick the endwalker story all I want but I just feel like the story was top notch. I left feeling really satisfied with what I got

[keen osprey]

I would've preferred such a moment go to an Anti-hero instead of a villain though, but i guess beggars can't be choosers

[exotic thistle]

I guess. It comes down to how I am as a person though. That's how I chose to look at it

[dull jolt]

||Only disappointed thing in that fight is that we should had gotten an Street Fighter styled closed up of both the WOL's and Zenos's face in that final charge before their fists flew||

[jolly sierra]

||sb trailer style?||

[dull jolt]

Yess

[dim sigil]

The real disappointment is that part is not rewatchable in the inn

[humble heron]

Also add the widescreen bars

[dull jolt]

[keen osprey]

Even more disappointing is if u played that moment ||as a Lalafel...|| all the tension is gone because u're laughing your ass out instead of appreciating the amazing cool moment lol

[mint sail]

||I should equip some heavier gloves for the knockout punch||

[exotic thistle]

I feel like there's a bunch of MSQ playthrough exclusive instances like that which I want to be able to just replay if I could

[mint sail]

I didn't take a screenshot of the moment tho

[dull jolt]

Thats why I will never play an Lala race

[exotic thistle]

That one for example is one of them. The other is definitely ||venat||

[keen osprey]

I regret not recording that fight...

[mint sail]

||I couldn't take Hydaelyn's defeat seriously because I was distracted by her hotness||

[keen osprey]

i would've loved to rewatch it with my own chara... will have to wait for NG+ to redo that fight

[mint sail]

ah well

[dull jolt]

Glad I'm not the only one

||Big hot momma Hydaelyn is based||

[mint sail]

i'm uh

||gonna replay that fight and /playdead under her armpit||

[exotic thistle]

||armpits, armpits together?||

[humble heron]

Endwalker was a mistake

[mint sail]

being straight was a mistake /s

[dull jolt]

Endwalker had to make up for its controversial story. So an Win-Win for every party

[humble heron]

Though the fanfic writers are the real winners of EW

[dull jolt]

Also the Y'shtola lovers ||With all those sneaky camera angles of her in cutscenes. Yoshi-P isn't sleek but not gonna complain tho. ||

[mint sail]

||mommy hydaelyn and zodiark tentacles, mmyes||

[humble heron]

I was more thinking of ||elpis||

[mint sail]

||ah, so emet/hythlo||, I understand

[humble heron]

Also with the wol of course, you need those self insert stuff

[mint sail]

||will venat get a part||

[humble heron]

In some of them i assume

[mint sail]

dear god, that leaves...

[humble heron]

Dont delve too deep into that pit

[late aurora]

||Azem|| House

[mint sail]

alright moving on

[humble heron]

||Fully Unsundered House||

[late aurora]

I just imagine Azem walking into a room and hitting their head on the entrance, every single time

[foggy coyote]

I just want to say WHM endgame job armor is so pretty, im glad I'm a WHM

[hearty ravine]

It doesnt make sense living dead is 5 minutes CD when holmgang is only 4 and holmgang is much better than LD
LD should be 3 minutes imo

[keen osprey]

Almost all endgame job armor looks amazing. They really upped their game this time around

[shrewd bobcat]

what the amount of xp you got from hoh after 6.0?

[dusky shoal]

||Radz jump puzzle beaten first try||

[tidal mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/875705833974009876/918987420035334194/1613285974501.png

[dusky shoal]

DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHO WAS GONNA TELL ME ABOUT THIS?

Ishgard residental district is already on the game just not available ITS SO SICK

[pulsar current]

the patch notes did say it was gonna be in the game tbf

[wet crown]

there's also a quest in ishgard that leads you there

[fluid basalt]

it's been in game since the start of ishgard restoration

[dusky shoal]

yep

[gaunt star]

I hate Crystal.

[pulsar current]

hell yeah is the next to feet guy

[mortal barn]

wish this is a random hint of a new class, lol https://i.imgur.com/dvW3hyf.png

[nocturne wharf]

Wat.

[fluid basalt]

May you always walk in the light of the Crystal

[ornate wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-cat-creepy-cat-cat-zoom-kitty-gif-12199043

[strange otter]

?

You do realize that my name is a joke, right?

[sudden spruce]

Major takeaway for ew is that we are ||brave little stars|| 🙏

[inner halo]

Watching EW cutscenes is like-…wait what Zenos doing here

[lean heron]

||the endwalker just gives me the same feeeling nier automata did with the feelings of existential dread throughout the story, dont know if thats just me or because its similar themes of overall existence||

[inner halo]

First of all I thought ||Yoko Taro is the one who gives anti happiness treatment.||

[lean heron]

||yoko taro must've given pointers for this particular story if it gives me such a similar feeling story wise but i dont think thats the case since yoko taro probably has his own story plans for his own games, not too sure but still i enjoyed the story for both a lot||

[next quarry]

True

[tribal summit]

when you accidentally submit studium quest turnins on a level 90 job 😔

[strange otter]

[weary rampart]

but do the effect still be visible when u turn others effect off

[red marten]

guys, ||are we gonna replace graha with our self if u are a paladin in trailer cutscene?|| just wondering

[wind bough]

No

[red marten]

owh okay

i thought ||because iam not a paladin ||

[blazing edge]

wtf why isnt chat working???

okay it's working now

wow that got me unreasonably upset that it wasn't working lmfao

[olive spruce]

Fordola Trust when

[fluid basalt]

we need to go full ffxi and add a variety of optional trusts

[wooden dove]

Smileton is great until the trypophobia segment lol

[dull jolt]

It did for me ||on the last zone.||

||Until the end comes to that zone before the final dungeon came||

And this been bothering me but did anyone felt (Trials spoilers) ||the music in the trials kind of lack this time with all of them being remixes. Like the first trial I actually liked because of how sudden it was to get an grand theme that early on in the game and gave an good false final fight feel. Hydaelyn was decent but it make sense but then the final trial I felt like this is.. okay but don't really like it that much. Felt like Omega Extreme did it better. ||

[marsh osprey]

many ||ffxiv themes are remixes||

[indigo shale]

thats just every expansion in the game||, all final trials are the remix of the expansion theme and so on, or jus the expansion theme unedited||

[dull jolt]

||Yeah but this is more FF14 remixes and also the other trials in previous expansion had more variety and sounded way different from each other||

[indigo shale]

well thats the EW leitmotif

it has done nothing different to the other expansion in that regards

[dull jolt]

Even if it didn't, ||It felt weak to me compare to previous exacs.||

[indigo shale]

personally ||id say EW has the best msq trial themes so far, well except SoS no trial will beat that, but even that was just a remix ||

[dull jolt]

||And there like there was still some new music put into trials and not everyone of them were remixes. Like Hades's second phase, The Fairies trial in Shadowbringer I think wasn't an remix and was new. And Stormblood only had the remix in its base exac final trial and same with HW||

[marsh osprey]

we can expect some ff2 pandaemonium music

[atomic aspen]

Now that I think about it... After finishing EW I can't help but feel that ||the Ancients weren't that far from sharing the same fate as the other civilisations we saw in Ultima Thule, they were trying to make the "perfect world" and they would have probable reached the same conclusions as the others if left to their own devices, so technically the Final Days were a "blessing" and thanks to them they maintained the desire to live||

[gaunt star]

Yes they 100% would have

[dull jolt]

Now thinking about it ||Most of the previous expansion only had the main theme remixes in its final trials and most of the other themes were either completely new or different||

[marsh osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NewqrjDRNXA cant wait for this in pandaemonium raids

[atomic aspen]

Se we could say that|| Meteion|| literally accomplished the opposite that she wanted to, then

Which is funny lmao

[marsh osprey]

this is quiet the epic music

[gaunt star]

No, ||she saved the shard from complete annihilation by causing the sundering|| however, that's just a trick of fate tbh...
If we weren't there it would've been the end

[indigo shale]

well all the themes in ||EW fit perfectly, hydae is answers, endsinger s the reason anything happened in the first place so its the culmination of the music leading up to that fromt he final bosses we have fought and then fopr phase 2 we got something unique, and zodiark was a unique track in its own regards-ish||

[gaunt star]

do we know or have any theories as to why ||lahabrea, elidibus and emet-selch were not sundered by venat? that's what the cutscene at the end of elpis made it seem||

[rocky oar]

Question, has anyone tried to solo ShB dungeons with the current gear and Echo bonus?

[marsh osprey]

probably doable

[gaunt star]

It could be just where ||they were located|| and also ||elidibus was dead||

[wooden dove]

|| If you think about those societies in the context of when you see Vanat sunder the world and what the ascians were pleading with Zodiark for I think you have your parallel. Had they been allowed to continue forward in an unending, unexamined 'bliss' they wouldve likely ended up like that final society from the last 4-man dungeon ||

[red talon]

||How do you get the Meteion bird minion? Final trial random drop?||

[fluid basalt]

dungeon

[atomic aspen]

I mean yeah but, if you think about it, the ||Ancients would have died more quickly if Meteion didn't do anything, by trying to kill them out of "mercy" she just made them prolongue their suffering for thousands of years||

[indigo shale]

||i tihnk that post elpis scene was not representative of what happened based on what we knew of the final days up to that point||

[gaunt star]

||so he was "dead" by the time venat became hydaelyn? im assuming this was the time when he became zodiark's heart||

[gaunt star]

Yeah

If you remember, ||hydaelin came after zodiark was made||

[gaunt star]

||but what about lahabrea though, he was just part of the convocation right||

[gaunt star]

Yes, however, because we were there from the beginning, it would've happened either way

[gaunt star]

||yes, however, there are many from conv that got sundered, so I think it was either fate at play or location based... dunno never explained||

[dull jolt]

I feel that ||for the first and second trial. Like I said before the first trial theme I really liked and did liked Hydaelyn's theme and it make sense. But the final trial theme I felt was kinda okayish. Its not that good compare to Omega Savage Trial theme which I felt was more epic and good mixed of older themes||

[gaunt star]

I'm looking forward to Pandæmonium raid tho. I'm curious what it will entail

[indigo shale]

||well thats because its not meant to be omega, the circumstances of those two themes are different, omega was trying to perfect copy us and it was the themes from his perspective of how omega saw us, whilst endsinger was from our perspective and a result of our journey||

[wooden dove]

|| They don't ever specify how the three remained unsundered but you do know Emet is like.. a top tier mage in their society. Maybe he just had control of his aether enough to save himself and maybe Lahabread was the same. Honestly just guessing though ||

[atomic aspen]

||Of course, it's just funny, though, because not only she made them suffer more, but also, instead of killing all life, with the sundering (which is a direct consequence of Meteion) made even more life, literally her actions made things go the totally opposite direction lmao||

[gaunt star]

||i mean if you follow the timeline, of course they would be sundered since only emet-selch and hytholodaeus were the only other ones that knew but i guess im having a hard time figuring out why lahabrea was unsendered, presumably he is already in the convocation by the time all of this happened||

[zinc folio]

which ff9 song does this remind me off

[gaunt star]

It's hard to say tho, but because writers didn't explain it, I would say it's not that important

[wooden dove]

Agreed

[marsh osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR5pMyapNV4

[zinc folio]

oh ofc LOL ty

[next quarry]

I still want to fight necronn

[marsh osprey]

yooo that theme is cool

[gaunt star]

Technically, it only happened because we were there. If we weren't it would be gg

[dull jolt]

||I still felt the theme was weak even in that regard. Maybe I give it another listen but It didn't really get me that hyped like the Hades fight, Warrior of Light or like the Thordan fights||

[gaunt star]

we all be jammin to big fat tacos

[gaunt star]

They didn't ||their memories got erased till they died so they didn't remember. Also Hydla was sacrificed for Zodiark so he was unaffected cuz he was dead.||

Well ||"dead" it seems they were just making the aether of zodiark, so when he died everyone got freed||

[marsh osprey]

fuck endwalker msq has ff 9 references in the quest names

guess we gonna see some ff2 and ff9 pandaemonium

[indigo shale]

||i assumed it was something to do with elidibus as lahabrea was his best friend and maybe emet was close, so maybe he managed to pull them into the rift, venat had no reason to keep anyone unsundered as she was trying to deliver everyone from temptation||

[gaunt star]

Unfortunately never played any other game but ff1 so... erm didn't get any haha

[gaunt star]

i dont think you understand my point but ill just wait next patch for answers lol

[gaunt star]

She didn't keep anyone ||unsundered because everyone she trusted sacrificed themselves to upgrade her ||

[next quarry]

||That slow walk at the end was ff9||

[gaunt star]

Also, ||I'm confused as to why Venat considered herself a primal despite only being deified instead of being a separate being||

[next quarry]

||Friends cheering you on as you walk onward||

||Though being depressed over the meaning of your existence is different from FFXIV||

[gaunt star]

I'm actually considering what to do since story ended 😂
Feels like swtor situation all over again
But at least the journey was worth it

[indigo shale]

||same reason shiva is a primal, doesnt have to be a seperate being||

[marsh osprey]

||you´re not alone is a song from ff9 too||

[next quarry]

Yeee

[marsh osprey]

so endwalker heavily goes with ff2, ff4 and ff9

[fluid basalt]

ff2?

[next quarry]

||Huh, now that I think about it necron and metion share some things||

[marsh osprey]

Pandaemonium Raids, Pandaemonium originally appeared in ff2, later in ff9

[gaunt star]

Problem is, || shiva was a summoned entity by Ysale or whatever her name is, and she possessed the primal. Venat got deified and achieved a new form.||

[pale star]

I finished the msq earlier tonight and man, what a ride! Then I decided to go back to ||Ultima Thule bc there’s a dungeon to unlock and there went my feels when the zone music kicked in ||

[gaunt star]

Well ||"deified"||

[marsh osprey]

FF9 also calls pandaemonium the castle ||frozen in time|| , that would ||perfectly fit into the endwalker msq, or rather pick up from it||

[indigo shale]

||its the same thing, i imagine like how elidibus can withdraw himself from zodiark, they just unposses the primal and leave it as a vessel||

[next quarry]

Wait that place had a name? I did not like being there

[marsh osprey]

whats the ff9 boss for pandaemonium

[next quarry]

Isn't pandaemonium the last dungeon

[marsh osprey]

ah this one

[indigo shale]

||as both elidi and venat can stay there original forms despite being primals in a sense||

[marsh osprey]

guess we we gonna see this "silver dragon" in some form in raids

[next quarry]

Maybe

[marsh osprey]

maybe he will akh morn us

[fluid basalt]

the next bozja/eureka should have similar leveling system like ff2

[next quarry]

No

[marsh osprey]

but i guess they will make the emperor boss in ff2 have some connection to pandaemonium final boss, or maybe its just gonna be him

aaah so interesting to read up on the old lore

[next quarry]

FF9 is a really good game

[indigo shale]

well lahabreas esper in ff12 was mateus, who in ff2 was the emperor of hell in 2,so i can see mateus maybe being like a p4 boss or something

[next quarry]

Is that an omnidirectional boss I see

[marsh osprey]

this would make a cool boss, ngl

[next quarry]

[slender siren]

cute 2P

[marsh osprey]

||actually zodiark got 1:1 copied from that LOL||

holy shit it looks so simliar

[gaunt star]

Tho there was always 1 thing that bugged me... why did Elidibus pick that specific Warrior of Light... and who was he 🤔

[slender siren]

||lahabrea||

[gaunt star]

||lahabrea what?||

[next quarry]

The ||First warrior of light in the first, a beacon of light||

[indigo shale]

||he was the first WoL that elidibus could remember||

[marsh osprey]

@next quarrylook at that beautiful flare 16

[next quarry]

Bruh

[marsh osprey]

literally kabooom

[next quarry]

Imagine 16 flare markers in a single raid

[marsh osprey]

ah not thats not flare, its starfall 10, aka probably meteor

[gaunt star]

So does that mean ff1 was in the First? 🤔 🤔 🤔

[next quarry]

No, it's just similar

[marsh osprey]

this is flare 16

[next quarry]

Each shard is supposed to have something similar to the games they number

Supposedly

[marsh osprey]

ff1 has the crystals, so does the first. Its where all began

[indigo shale]

its just a reference, none of the shards are the actual games as that would be impossible, they just like to reference things

[gaunt star]

Oh right, that makes sense...I forgot that piece of info 😂

[next quarry]

But we've only seen stuff from the 1st and 13th so idk

||Freddy remember that elidibus called pandaemonium a beast iirc||

[indigo shale]

yeah he called it ||the "dread beast pandaemonium"||

[pseudo mountain]

Me finally getting to the last part of the story, on the last dungeon
Tank whose already fully gear: Im gonna make your life terrible

[marsh osprey]

oh shit

[slender siren]

||we might hear this again||

[indigo shale]

nope we wont, as that would not fit anywhere except where it did

[next quarry]

||My guess is that pandaemonium is the first attempt at a primal||

[marsh osprey]

@next quarry||King Behemoth 2.0 incoming||

[next quarry]

||Then again primal are just creation magic||

[indigo shale]

||no, primal summoning is just creation magic, they've already made tons of "primals" in elpis||

[next quarry]

Just making baseless ideas and seeing what sticks

[marsh osprey]

||primal summoning is lesser creation magic||

||creation magic is pretty much the perfect magic||

[next quarry]

||The area of pande we saw looks pretty gothic too||

[marsh osprey]

cant wait for the 10k queue to do the raids

[indigo shale]

nah itll be fine, queues are already dying down and probably wont pick up till 6.1 again

[gaunt star]

Who in here ||accepted Zenos and fought him like an equal instead of outright going for you can't leave this place alive? ||

[marsh osprey]

whats your queue on odin

[indigo shale]

well at about 1pm it was 512 when i logged in

[next quarry]

I never hated zenos' so easy pick

[marsh osprey]

well thats 1 pm

[indigo shale]

compared to before where it was 12k at 1pm

[marsh osprey]

you know what the 4 pm queue is, 5k+

we are during the weekdays, people are working

[indigo shale]

its the first time ive logged on at 1pm to a queue less than that 8k since EA

[marsh osprey]

queue at 7-9 pm is 8k+

[gaunt star]

I would have gone for the ||kill|| if Zenos didn't get that small ||"redemption" arc and actually helped us. Made him more of a bro than a ho at that point ||

Was interesting tho

Also I'm 100% certain ||Zenos still lives. There is no way that guy died so easily||

[next quarry]

||I felt like he deserved it after actually thinking for once||

[indigo shale]

||if he lives then the writers really are going downhill||

[gaunt star]

Yeah, ||when he used his brain for once I finally accepted him haha||

[atomic aspen]

I have some questions left after finishing EW... ||What are the Shards? Other worlds? Alternate universes? What the fuck are they? If they are alternate universes it would mean that Hydaelyn had the power to create universes, and if they are other worlds it would mean that she could create entire solar systems... I don't get it||

[next quarry]

||Alternative dimensions of the area around the source||

[marsh osprey]

did you even read the msq, it got all explained expansions ago

[next quarry]

At least that's how I saw it

[indigo shale]

||his voidsent will eat his soul and body as thats what voidsent do, and if it doesnt his souls isnt going to the aetherial sea, and also no bodies to hop into||

[next quarry]

It's been 2 years since I've done 3.4

[atomic aspen]

No need to get aggressive about it, if it did I don't remember lmao

[marsh osprey]

hows that agressive lol

[tawny gazelle]

It's gone through it like 3+ times

[marsh osprey]

maybe i should have put a at the end

[gaunt star]

||eat the soul of a guy that hops between bodies like some sleeve? Nah, he probably will revive his body or something. Guy is like a cockroach lol||

[next quarry]

It's been 2 year since I've gone through Shadowbringers

[marsh osprey]

i did shb when corona started and i was at home

[indigo shale]

||as we know from nabriales you seem to not be able to jump straight back into your own body||

[lean heron]

||so is zenos dead or not? was very vague with it just fading away from zenos almost like he passed out||

[next quarry]

||He's dead||

[marsh osprey]

||quest journal mentions that zenos is dead||

[gaunt star]

|| honestly at this point considering it's Zenos I wouldn't even pay much attention to that haha||

[atomic aspen]

But... ||That means there only exists the solar system on which they are, or they have an universe of their own? That's what I don't get||

[indigo shale]

||if SE want to disregard the lore they spent 10 years building then yes he can come back otherwise no||

[fluid basalt]

||Zenos will absorb all the Dynamis and become the new big bad.||

[lean heron]

||I loved zeno's voice when he was the embodiment of shinryu, that voice was so awesome imo, but the rest of it was a bit meh with the 1v1, music popped off though||

[gaunt star]

Maybe, maybe not. ||it's zenos. If he wants to fight again he will be back, if not, he is gonna haunt fandaniel for screwing over his plans 😂 ||

[limpid lintel]

||So what jobs seemingly make use of dynamis? I know for sure BRD and DNC do, and DRK probably does||

[next quarry]

||He's satisfied||

||No point for him to come back||

[tawny gazelle]

||I fully expect Zenos to float back in like 4 years and take over someone's body to fight us again zzz||

[indigo shale]

||like zenos wont want to come back anyway, he got what he wanted, his first resurection was by accident he was happy to die at the menagirie||

[gaunt star]

As long as devs are mostly consistent with the lore, I'm fine with a bit of bending here and there. It's fine as long as it doesn't happen all the time for everyone

[mortal barn]

darn he is so tall ||https://i.imgur.com/afPOluY.png||

[next quarry]

Tall boye

[limpid lintel]

We beat him best 2 out of 3, so

[gaunt star]

||well, unless he's bored the hell out in the stream and decides to pop back out like a cockroach lol||

[limpid lintel]

Actually didn't he technically take round 1 at the start of stormblood

[indigo shale]

zenos has beaten us more than we have him

[gaunt star]

Wasn't it 2 :2 score?

[limpid lintel]

Post stormblood wasn't Zenos, was elidibus possessing him

[atomic aspen]

We didn't just beat him||, we beat him after dealing with the big bad, we are literally too powerful for him now||

[indigo shale]

||he best us twice in SB, one at the reach and once in the east, and he beat us twice in the final duel||

[gaunt star]

||and yet that guy is like pumping steroids non stop and every expa we meet him he is stronger... I wouldn't be so sure||

[limpid lintel]

Elidibus didn't hand the body back till he noped out of the source cause Zenos scared the shit out of him

[gaunt star]

Well no, the last part doesn't count

[indigo shale]

it does

[limpid lintel]

That's elidibus possessing him, Zenos didn't get his body back till emet died

[gaunt star]

||same fight doesn't count if we beat him||

[torpid yarrow]

why is this nsfw

[indigo shale]

||if it werent for dynamis we were 2000% dead he got us down to dead twice in that fight canoncially||

[gaunt star]

Spoilers

[atomic aspen]

I mean, ||as far I know he isn't that much stronger now, maybe he is a little bit thanks to the new friend he gained with his class but nothing else||

[gaunt star]

Didn't he ||fuck us over like 2-3 times during the fight? We had to been our life spark away to continue fighting||

[gaunt star]

||it was our life spark that we burned away during the fight not dynamis||

[limpid lintel]

"aside from our strength he would have won!"

[indigo shale]

||the life spark was dynamis||

[gaunt star]

Was it?

[indigo shale]

||when we get the buff it pops up "dynamis swells within you"||

[atomic aspen]

But we did just finish fighting ||The Endsinger, if we were in our top form, which he was because he even absorbed what was left of the Mothercrystal, we would have won one one-sidely||

[gaunt star]

Wasn't the ||absorption just to get access to the primal form again tho||?

Which he kept up for... quite a while

[indigo shale]

||yeah, the reason he stopped being shinryu was the power was used up, plus he did take a beating in endsinger||

||he was at the recieving end of many stars being thrown at him aswell||

[atomic aspen]

I mean, ||he just left the form when he wanted to, wouldn't that mean that he had some left, still?||

[gaunt star]

Nah, ||Crystal was formed from a primal, and he turned into a primal, so I think it's a primal only thing||

[indigo shale]

||both our souls become powered by dynamis, giving us the spark of life||

[gaunt star]

Ah I see

[atomic aspen]

Wow I didn't get to read that at the time

[gaunt star]

That makes sense then

||spirit burning as in with power not burning away 😂 ||

[split forum]

Gonna attempt || Mommy || EX again.

[gaunt star]

I was taking only a glimpse cuz ||Zenos was beating the shit out of me if I took a look too much lol||

Tho I hoped for a class based aura instead of just yellow... DISAPPOINTED!

[atomic aspen]

I have another question left after finishing EW, too... ||At first, with G'raha, I thought that they were saying that multiple realities existed, which meant that the reality that G'raha came from still continued even after he save ours but... After the time travel from EW it seems like it's more like a unique timeline if a loop like that was possible in which case it doesn't make sense that G'raha is still alive, what happened there? I didn't see an explanation of it?||

[gaunt star]

||his old timeline continued, and I assume its due to the crystal tower. In Endwalker its same case, however, for us was that we were destined to go to the past. If we didn't visit the past, there would be no present||

Pretty much with Graha his timeline continued till the end of ShB is what I take from it

It's also very likely ||we are still destined to die, but I have no idea||

[atomic aspen]

Mhh... But that wouldn't be that much consistent in my eyes, though... ||Maybe it has something to do that he died in the First?||

[gaunt star]

That's likely as well

His body is gone but the shard took what mattered

[atomic aspen]

If that was the case his memories would have changed, too

[next quarry]

That past is over, memories can't change since that would create another timeline otherwise

[atomic aspen]

But that doesn't make sense, I mean, having time loops and another timelines it's pretty much incompatible, as far I'm aware

[next quarry]

||When graha was sent to the past with the CT to the first to prevent the rejoining, the present he was from has sailed, it's going its own way.||

[gaunt star]

I think its very likely || the time travel fucked something up real bad. Like us going to rhe past was fate but Graha not so much||

[jolly sierra]

Mentioned this earlier today but the way I've resolved it in my head is that || when graha traveled to the past the tower had enough aether to jump timelines, also considering the time distance he had to jump wasn't that much compared to what we jumped. When we jumped, we used up all the aether in the tower which wasn't enough for us to jump timelines and travel what, 12000 years into the past||

[gaunt star]

We used ||Elidibus like a battery||

[jolly sierra]

|| doesn't matter, still wasn't enough ||

[next quarry]

||Elidibus was also a half eaten soul||

[gaunt star]

Well, enough to get us there. We just needed ||Hades to be the usual nice guy||

[unreal lintel]

Don't forget G'raha ||completely left his timeline in the Source and traveled to a different timeline in the First. Both timelines exist separately. And the G'raha in the First is a statue now.||

[tranquil gorge]

Okay I’ve just completed the ||Tower of Babel ||and need to ask a question that has probably been already answered, ||is the Empire even a problem any more, after all it’s practically now just…destroyed ||

[gaunt star]

Well, no, the statue was his body. Merging with the old Graha is now 2 graha in 1

Also, why are we using spoiler tags for SHB stuff here 😂 😂 😂

[next quarry]

||There still are some legatus out there who want to mess with things||

[jolly sierra]

Yes my point is that || the remaining aether in the tower plus whatever elidibus had wasn't enough for us to go back 12000 years and jump timelines ||

[atomic aspen]

Wouldn't that mean that the source and the shards are different realities? But if that was the case it's time wouldn't be linked, though

[next quarry]

Time isn't linked in the shards, just coincidence that they do when we visit

Because gameplay

[jolly sierra]

|| I mean us talking about time travel is probably gonna hint at stuff to people who haven't gotten there yet ||

[gaunt star]

It's likely that the moment the source connects to a shard, the timeline merges

[tranquil gorge]

||Tempered or remnants?||

[jolly sierra]

Just would rather play it safe

[next quarry]

||Remnants, i.e the 12th||

But ivalice quest series might be done for by this point

[atomic aspen]

Isn't it stated that depending of the "distance" between the shards and the source the time flows faster or slower compared to the source's?

[next quarry]

Not sure, I just remembered what graha said when we went to the first

[gaunt star]

Do we have anything unresolved in EW that could land in a patch? 🤔

[atomic aspen]

That would mean that if you want to travel to the past of a shard you have to travel to the past of the source

[next quarry]

If you could find a way back

[gaunt star]

Yeah, the shard is like the support Pillar of the timeline.

[next quarry]

||As we've seen there are easier ways of going into the past||

[jolly sierra]

No idea but I'm not sure how that's relevant

[atomic aspen]

That at least is consistent ||about how we could travel back from the First towards the unsundered world||

[gaunt star]

Usually something unresolved in an expa lands in a patch xP

[jolly sierra]

Well yes

[next quarry]

Everything is done, just the usual mysteries

[atomic aspen]

Well, maybe we may get some answers to the questions I still have, hopefully

[next quarry]

Like what we've wondered since 1.0

[jolly sierra]

Which is?

[next quarry]

The 12, the thing under the lake and mericydia

[jolly sierra]

what thing under the lake

[atomic aspen]

That's what I was going to ask lmao

[next quarry]

Midgardsormr is guarding something

[gaunt star]

So I guess ||we will be working from rhe Shadows now that everyone "disbanded"... sad I couldn't say I'm joining Y'shtola on her search of knowledge ||

[next quarry]

We've known that since 1.0 but it's up to se if they wanna bring it back

[indigo shale]

also we still need to know about the heart of sabik

[atomic aspen]

Wasn't that just the aether current "node"?

[gaunt star]

And what was that? I didn't play 1.0 😂

[next quarry]

Nope, it repelled gaius's army

[jolly sierra]

Well good thing we're getting the twelve next patch

[atomic aspen]

Ah, a fellow Y'shtola enjoyer I see lmao

[jolly sierra]

By which I mean 6.1

[obsidian smelt]

||so, now that the crystal arc is done, any predictions on where we are going next?||

[next quarry]

Dragons

[gaunt star]

Yeah, would have chosen to ||go with her just to be with her ||

[gaunt star]

Either ||space travel, or whatever our old dragon pal is guarding... or maybe something else||

[indigo shale]

||emet listed off like a million things we havent even done on our own star||

[atomic aspen]

We need a ||dating sim mode now, Krile said she wanted us to find true love, maybe it's a teaser for that, I sure hope so, let us pray lmao||

[gaunt star]

I certainly do pray so. They did tease Favour so...

[next quarry]

[atomic aspen]

Favour?

[gaunt star]

And it was mysteriously very detailed just for a prank 😂

[indigo shale]

||i hope they dont,it would lead to many complaints and be wasted dev time||

[next quarry]

That's just how April fool's is

[obsidian smelt]

The ffxiv waifu wars

[gaunt star]

Wait bad link. Didn't take the wikia for some reason

[gaunt star]

||https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Favour_System||

[indigo shale]

||and also yeah its an april fools thing if it was something they plan to do it wouldnt be an april fools joke||

[atomic aspen]

Damn, it's good I wasn't playing at the time, I would have been mad that that was a joke lmao

[gaunt star]

||wasted by who's opinion? Swtor does it and certainly ppl don't call it wasted dev time||

[indigo shale]

||it has never been mentioned again by a dev||

[atomic aspen]

It was in 2014 though

[gaunt star]

well if ppl forget, it's a bigger susprise when it emerges again

[atomic aspen]

Let us pray 🙏

[next quarry]

No we don't

[atomic aspen]

lmao

[indigo shale]

all itll do is lead to complaints because certain characters wont be able to be added to the favour system for reasons

[gaunt star]

Considering how Endwalker ended its more likely it we get a timeskip

[atomic aspen]

Everything leads to complaints, though

[next quarry]

Yeah but xiv should never get a dating sim

[gaunt star]

Ppl will complain either way. No matter what devs make

[atomic aspen]

I sure hope we have a timeskip, honestly!

[indigo shale]

they would have to make a new game for that with new areas

[gaunt star]

Doesn't have to be a dating sim specifically, but it wouldn't hurt if they did it like swtor

[atomic aspen]

Swtor was great in that sense

[indigo shale]

uinless they plan to update everysingle npc dialgoue and placement and architecture of areas to facilitate a time skip

[next quarry]

I have no idea what swtor is but a dating sim would just bring in degenerates worse than ever

[weary rampart]

heh dating sim ,when Red Onion still havent chase Tataru

[gaunt star]

am I the only one that didn't pick the ||"I can’t deny it" options when fighting zenos then again I'm not one of them raiders so ||

[atomic aspen]

It's too bad that they are so limited, though

[gaunt star]

Swtor doesn't have EVERY character. There is a list and often even the romances get killed off 😂

[next quarry]

This community is already filled with hopeless coomers

[atomic aspen]

That limitates the writers a lot

[gaunt star]

I did

[next quarry]

He's talking about a time skip

[tidal mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/100463940835762176/914810092728221706/1638169144762.png

[indigo shale]

your reply is unrelated to that message im on a different topic now

[lone fiber]

they said that they wont put in dating sim mode because they want ppl to write their own stories and frankly im kinda glad tbh im afraid abt the devs writing romance plotlines

[gaunt star]

Oh you meant for the time skip lol

[next quarry]

I don't wanna pick between thancred and estinien, but either way

[indigo shale]

||but they cant even have the final days represented in non new areas, hence it limited to the new ones, so no way they can do a timeskip without removing the whole game||

[atomic aspen]

coomers would be coomers anyway, though

[lone fiber]

besides i want my wol to date everyone

[gaunt star]

Ah the typical swtor's flirt with everyone eh? 😂

[lone fiber]

?

[atomic aspen]

lmao

[lone fiber]

i dont play swtor

[gaunt star]

I still remember the part with a sith's mother as a Sith warrior lol...

So many memes 😂

[lone fiber]

wanting ti date everyone isnt a special trait specific to a fandom

[gaunt star]

Yeah yeah I know

Argh shit... no idea what to do lol

Wait I just remembered hearing something during EW I think? || Azem only split into 2 shards? Tho no, I think I probably misheard that||

Lol I slipped a bit xP

[atomic aspen]

I don't remember anything like that myself

[gaunt star]

Yeah, I'm curious where I got that from hence my confusion

Tho I assume we are probably rhe biggest one isn't it?

[next quarry]

||if we split into only two shards we'd be already fully rejoined||

But we're not

[gaunt star]

Ah yeah true 🤔 😂

||considering Ardbert||

[indigo shale]

yeah we'd be fully rejoined by the first umbral era if that was the case

[atomic aspen]

And ||dynamis wouldn't affect us anymore||

[atomic aspen]

||We are not, either, G'raha's soul is as dense as ours, more or less||

[gaunt star]

Wouldn't? ||I thought you can use it if you know how to? I mean... if that was the case, wouldn't we feel weaker after joining with Ardbert then?||

[gaunt star]

I meant biggest shard of ||azem||

[atomic aspen]

Ah, of course, but that we always were

[gaunt star]

Well we certainly are now ||after all the calamities||

[atomic aspen]

I mean, we were not born yet before the seventh one lmao

[indigo shale]

well we were born before the seventh one even if a non 1.0 player

[gaunt star]

We had a few shards merge with the source

[indigo shale]

unless the WoL is 5 years old we lived through a rejoining

[gaunt star]

And each shard has ||a shard of azem ||

[atomic aspen]

I meant that we were not alive for the sixth and before, so since we were born we were already the biggest one lmao

[gaunt star]

Yes that's also true... tho I was more curious about pre ||rejoining|| whether we started biggest

[indigo shale]

well no, there would have been other azems born in the 6th astral era before us

maybe im reading this wrong, but either way we werent the biggest till the 7th umbral era

[atomic aspen]

Well, we don't know how often a soul gets to rebirth

[indigo shale]

the 6th astral era lasted 1572 years

plenty of time for azem reincarnations

[gaunt star]

Weren't there like 2 ||rejoinings?|| we already started ahead

Before I meant

[hollow ice]

like 7

[indigo shale]

we had the same as everyone else, until ShB

[split forum]

We started the game 8/14, now we’re 9/14

[hollow ice]

each calamity is a rejoining

[atomic aspen]

8/15 and 9/15, right? Because is the Source and it's fourteen reflections

[indigo shale]

no, only 13 reflections + the source

[split forum]

13 reflections

[mortal barn]

https://i.imgur.com/F0E2VnE.png priority!

[atomic aspen]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that

Then it's 7/14 and 8/14 now

[indigo shale]

so we are 9/14 but we were 8/14 like everyone else on the source till we rejoined with ardbert

[split forum]

As of the end of 5.5, we’re the most complete soul that we know of

[split forum]

No, we’re 9/14 now

[atomic aspen]

Why 9?

[indigo shale]

7 rejoinings + us + ardbert

[atomic aspen]

Damn, I'm so dumb lmao

[split forum]

1 Source, 7 rejoining, 1 ardbert

[gaunt star]

Ah right, fuck I forgot the calamities start a new era 😂

[split forum]

Wait, is Meteion unsundered? Did she have a soul

[indigo shale]

yeah, and i think the 6th astral era was the longest lasting at 1572 years, till the 7th umbral era came

[sullen orbit]

she was made of aether (small amount of it)

[gaunt star]

She wasn't on the planet

[hollow ice]

spoilers and ||meteion wasnt on etherys when it sundered||

[keen osprey]

So i got a weapon from ||Hydaelyn EX||, but it's not for my class. Is there a way to exchange it or something?

[indigo shale]

||metion fled the star so she couldnt be sundered anyway||

[gaunt star]

The ||sundering is not universe thing from what I understand||

[indigo shale]

||only people on etheriys were sundered no other star was effected||

[split forum]

Expert delivery, maybe

[keen osprey]

I meant to exchange it for a weapon for my class

[hollow ice]

nope

[buoyant hatch]

I don't think Meteion had a soul

[keen osprey]

ah damn...

[lone fiber]

sell on market for massive cash and buy it from someone else if its tradable

[gaunt star]

Wait... now that I think about it... ||can't we use Ragnarok to visit shards then? 😂 ||

[split forum]

Yeah, just making sure. So we’re the biggest soul left then still

[keen osprey]

Hmm? Wait what? It's tradable?

[indigo shale]

||it cant traverse the rift so it couldnt||

[lone fiber]

is it? idk

[gaunt star]

Pretty sure she had a soul but she was a familiar so she's mostly rhe other energy or something? ||Didn't Hermes say she has a soul?||

[next quarry]

Can't sell ex weapons

[keen osprey]

It's unsellable and untradable

[buoyant hatch]

||Pretty sure she's a familiar and a familiar with a soul is super rare so it would be mentioned||

[hollow ice]

||shes made mostly of Dynamis and a little bit of aether but it doesnt really matter since she wasnt even close to the planet when it sundered||

[indigo shale]

||yeah hythlodaeus asks if shes a familiar not mentioning a soul||

[gaunt star]

Yeah I know I mentioned it earlier...

[keen osprey]

Pretty sure she's just made ||to have as little aether as possible so she can manipulate Dynamis, not that she's made of it||

[gaunt star]

Wait... where were the ||unsundered then??|| was there a reason they left and didn't get hit?

[keen osprey]

It's not like ||Hermes can somehow make a creation out of something he himself can neither perceive nor manipulate||

[indigo shale]

non one knows how they survived, but i imagine elidibus being the heart of zodiark managed to save lahabrea and emet, prbably pulled them to a rift to escape being sundered

[buoyant hatch]

||Meteion was just created with very little aether and designed to have her existence stable in such a state, while most creations would vanish with so little aether||

[gaunt star]

I guess that makes sense 🤔

Now the big question lies in... what's next...just exploring the world? ||Or fly into space... or maybe whatever the papa dragon is guarding||

[atomic aspen]

I do feel that whatever is next people will complain it's not as good as EW lmao

[indigo shale]

well ofc its not going to be, a beginning arc is never going to be as good as one concluding a 10 year old story, people setting those expectations jsut want to complain anyway

[atomic aspen]

Yeah, but you know how people is, sad

[buoyant hatch]

Ffxiv has been pretty good with low stakes, so as long the setting itself is interesting, I think it'll be fine

[indigo shale]

well we have yet to see low stakes

even in ARR we were stopping the empire from taking over a whole continent

as well as the stopping the ascians (namely lahabrea) starting the next calamity

[gaunt star]

True... its always high stakes for us

[lone fiber]

shame

[buoyant hatch]

We have low stakes portions in the story all over

[atomic aspen]

Even the raids were always high stakes

The trials too

[gaunt star]

I think we should have 1 expa of chill
Funny enough favour system comes to mind but that probably would be an overkill lol

Honestly have no idea what we could do besides visiting other shards

[indigo shale]

we have barely done anything on our star

we have barely explored one full continnet

[buoyant hatch]

There is still a lot of history to explore

[ebon vortex]

visiting the places emet mentioned that then leads to the different shards

[gaunt star]

Like sure, but can they really make anything else on our star exciting enough to be part of the next story is the problem

[indigo shale]

like we have done barely anything in ilsabard and the far east, plus other continents

[buoyant hatch]

This is the thing, the low stakes portion of the game are actually pretty good. So if they want to introduce tension they can just as well make the threat 'bankrupcy' and it'd still work.

[indigo shale]

ofc they can make something exciting on our star

there are bound to be threats, maybe even ||rogue legions trying to take control of garlemald or something||, remember we are still mortal

we arent a god, and are nowhere near as strong as people think we are, a good fighter will still beat the shit out of us

[gaunt star]

And yet we seem to solo armies at times

[indigo shale]

we never have done that once

everytime we try most stuff solo we get beaten

[buoyant hatch]

Can't solo armies because armies don't have killing you as the objective, even if you can fight them all.

[indigo shale]

we always have help from the armies of the alliance and other people willing to help

the only thing the wol could solo without getting his shit kicked in is probably a namazu

[tidal mauve]

latecomers to the 5.x optional trials are gonna have a fun time figuring out ||why the 7th are having fun building mobile suits while the empire has completely collapsed||

[late aurora]

Time bubble

[indigo shale]

||well isnt it clearly stated that valens is doing it because he wants to take garlemald and crown himself emperor amid the chaos, like he was doing that while the empire was completely collapsed anyway, he would still be doing this post 6.0 if we didnt take him out before regardless of timebubble||

[jolly sierra]

|| i know gameplay/timeline seperation but unlocking arr ex trials after beating 6.0 ||

[atomic aspen]

I wonder which other jobs will they add

[humble heron]

I suspect maybe like 6 more jobs and 1 limited job over the rest of the games lifespan, but im mostly talking out my ass

[hazy apex]

||can't what for Garlemald restoration||

[tribal quiver]

1:11 PM http://puu.sh/Iwuzp/7b846c4279.jpg

is this real life

[next quarry]

Whoa

[gaunt star]

Just got to the final area and damn is it beautiful

[dim sigil]

I can't wait for people to complain the stakes are drastically lower that the story isn't as chaotic starting next patch like people complained 5.4 was too, after 5.3

[indigo shale]

which is funny, because 5.4 had more stakes than 5.3, as fandaniel was boasting about bringing back the final days in that patch

[static niche]

meanwhile omega stakes

[late aurora]

“I wanna kill you, and you, and you, and myself”

[static niche]

threatened you with entire extinction of the world just to make sure you became her guinea pig

[late aurora]

It’s optional

[static niche]

and if you failed any test. world gone. xd

[indigo shale]

omega has nothing to do with 5.4 and 5.3 as omega was dealt with by then, so not a threat

[static niche]

speaking of omega, with the revelation from EW. ||where the fuck did he find those myths and legends if he was freshly made right before dragonstar's destruction?||

[indigo shale]

because omega was travelling the stars, fucking the allagans even imprisoned him aswell, so knowledge was gained that way

[static niche]

but according to the raid, omega never visited any worlds.

[late aurora]

He read books

[indigo shale]

so he probably got the information that way before the allagans captured him

yet another thing for "things the allagans can be blamed for box"

[static niche]

just kept flying trying to find midgardsormr until eventually Alphatron became out of range ||jk more like yeeted to meteion|| and i can understand learning those from Allagan, but why would allagans have those?

[indigo shale]

allagans travelled to the 13th

[inner ice]

its so beautiful

[static niche]

is that 89 ex wep?

[late aurora]

Clearly no, if you know what the 89 trial is

[indigo shale]

like allagans probably have more knowledge than sharlayan still, so i wouldnt be suprised if they had stuff from other worlds, especially if xande can just make a pact with the CoD and all that shit

[dawn plume]

is there a announced alternative levleing system for ew yet ?

[static niche]

no

[indigo shale]

im suprised at this point (End zone spoiler) ||that there wasnt a fucking allagan ship or something allagan at ultima thule||

[dawn plume]

like deep dungeon or bozja likes

[static niche]

why would there be one?

[tribal quiver]

Well there's your usual trust

[static niche]

you do know what ||ultima thule is right?||

[dawn plume]

i wasnt around for the release of the older expacs its jsut that every expansion before had one

[static niche]

that wasn't to you

[indigo shale]

||yeah, but my point is that allgans seem to be everywhere and that most things can be tracked back to them||

[obsidian smelt]

||it is midgards homeworld||

[dawn plume]

did they get patched in later ?

[static niche]

yes but we don't know what they are

[gaunt star]

no lol

[obsidian smelt]

||oh wait, omegas world||

[dull jolt]

Hopefully we get another Bozja like mode

[gaunt star]

[static niche]

Yes, but ||Ultima Thules doesn't exist, it's literally just a dead star floating in the abyss of universe.||

[indigo shale]

i know thats the joke

[obsidian smelt]

XD

[late aurora]

||How can it not exist?|| We were just there, and can still go to it

[static niche]

||it didn't exist until thancred happened.||

[late aurora]

No thancred ||just made it habitable||

[static niche]

no no. ||The entire realm there that we walk on and whatnot DON'T exist It was ONLY the star, aka metion's nest that were even there.||

[indigo shale]

||i dont think thats true. because unless thancred met the omicrons, the ea and the dragons, then he did not create any of that||

||it was just not habitable beforehand||

[viscid monolith]

|| Thancred's will made the area habitable for the rest of the Scions. ||

[static niche]

||the ground we walk on is manifested forward by thancred's prayer for us to survive, which then brought down the inhibited negativity Meteion collected into her nest to become interactable. Partially because Meteion wants us to despair too.||

[late aurora]

Source?

[obsidian smelt]

|| it’s meteions nest, she collected the remaining people of those civilizations and brought them to that place because they are all that’s left.||

[viscid monolith]

Source for what

[static niche]

||case in foot, Ea's inability to realize that the aether formation they set up for sustance just don't work.||

[next quarry]

||It does bring up the idea of what if thancred just put in a seed of hope into the cosmic cloud of despair, giving form to the idea of "existence"|| just an idea, but I do think any way is possible

[late aurora]

Saying that ||zone 6 was nothing before Thancred’s sacrifice ||

[static niche]

||even further proof, the main focus of each race you confront in MSQ transformed into meteion and 'wipe' the offending target||

||so therefore... they don't even exist at all, they're just collected despair Meteion have.||

[viscid monolith]

|| It's a slight misunderstanding on Fateborn's part. The place did exist it's just made of dynamis rather than aether. Thancred allowed us to interact with it. ||

[dull jolt]

||Personally preference, I'm disappointed they didn't went full Nier with that entire event with actual leaving the Scions permenantly dead.||

[indigo shale]

right i read the dialogue ||ok so in metions own words, the place always existed. just hid in dynamis, all thancred did was remove the layer of dynamis||

[next quarry]

No

[dull jolt]

[static niche]

are you implying you don't want ||trust for 90 msq dungeon?||

[dull jolt]

I'm an sadist mofo

[next quarry]

||That would be a terrible way to kill them off||

[static niche]

honestly, for how much of stakes it was. ||the fact no one died was a bit of letdown.||

[dull jolt]

||I mean nothing stopping Yoshi-P from making the duty finder bring their ghosts to fight with us in that dungeon||

[obsidian smelt]

||thancred sacrificed himself so we could breath in that area||

[indigo shale]

||yeah which he did by removing the layer of dynamis as metion was obfuscating the entire area with it||

[dull jolt]

||Imagine how emotional the game will be if the ghosts of the Scions fought with us in that last dungeon.||

[obsidian smelt]

||then how did thee ship land on something it couldn’t see then?||

[dull jolt]

Same thats why I'm also disappointed. ||I wonder if its because its still an MMO so they can't do that for whatever reason or afraid fans will spoil the shit out of that if they did||

[indigo shale]

||because the layer of dynamis was removed, they didnt land till after some time metion appeared on the ship.||

[static niche]

||azem crystal would've saved them, but then one or two still die at the end because of how much stake it was bearing.||

[viscid monolith]

|| It's because the writers aren't hacks like certain people and don't feel the need to kill characters off because "it's the end of their arc."||

[static niche]

well yeah but stakes are stakes!

[obsidian smelt]

Exactly

[dull jolt]

It would ||since they just sped past their wipes and not give us players time to mourn them or give them an proper farewell.||

[viscid monolith]

|| Personally I blame that show with a shitty ending that I can't remember. Now people think characters have to die for sake of stakes ||

[minor wren]

||Even if they all died, wouldn't people also complain about the various ways that they could comeback later on?||

[obsidian smelt]

||im glad they didn’t go akame ga kill on them||

[dull jolt]

I mean I wouldn't mind it ||if they didn't give off that feel that they did "die". Would like it if they still kept it straight forward without the trickery.||

[indigo shale]

||actually i blame that people have to relate one medium to another the whole time and no one can enjoy something without comparing it to something else||

[next quarry]

||Make the scions suffer a bit more before if you're gonna kill em off||

[dull jolt]

||Like I don't mind the Scions not dying and I had predicted they won't but you can't deny if one of them did die it would give the story, the final fight and everything else more weight and emotion impact if done right .||

[minor wren]

||Not really.||

[dull jolt]

||Like most of my favorite stories in medium that did it are my favorites for that reason||

[obsidian smelt]

||true. But I guess they did that because they may use them in the near future. Like hildibrand.||

[dull jolt]

||Not saying death is required in each big arc btw||

[marsh osprey]

apparently drk is going wild with dps in ex trials

[dull jolt]

||Yeah but I hope they are not the main cast anymore. I'm ready for some new blood of characters in the new arc||

[obsidian smelt]

||on that, I completely agree. Lol||

[minor wren]

||I'm pretty sure that the Scions are still the main cast.||

[obsidian smelt]

||they went off on there own adventures now. And we are too. Wherever the next expansion is or takes us to.||

[thorny flax]

||another dragon expansion with vrtra and estinien would be hype||

[dull jolt]

Noo ||As much as I liked them, I'm done with them being the main cast lmao||

[humble heron]

||the scions are definitely taking a backseat for at least a little while||

[minor wren]

||Maybe for a couple of patchs.||

[thorny flax]

||I think the rest of endwalker will be post arr 2.0. I don't think we will see the scions that much and it will be more about world building||

[minor wren]

||That seems like a reasonable idea.||

[obsidian smelt]

|| king moggle mog 2.0||

[thorny flax]

||they need to properly build up a story before they can give us another banger expansion||

||I'm sad that Venat is gone. She's the Emet Selch of Endwalker.|| q.q ending spoiler

[dull jolt]

In the middle of ||that worldbuilding, we going to get an beach episode patch ||

[thorny flax]

I absolutely loved the hangout scenes in Endwalker. they need to do more of that

[dull jolt]

||Bruh. Venet is nowhere near the quality of Emet Selch.||

[thorny flax]

I mean not in terms of writing. In terms of sacrificing so much and being PepeHands

[indigo shale]

what i find odd about this expansion is that|| nero werent voiced, but his VA voiced barnier of the forum, so i wonder what happened with that because it seems he was available||

[humble heron]

I mean, ||venat certainly goes a long way with the limited screen time she gets. Shes certainly a dope character||

[dull jolt]

You know what, I give you that

[humble heron]

||maybe he will be voiced in the patches. I seem to recall he wasnt in shadowbringers proper either but had va in 5.4||

[thorny flax]

||I loved how Emet always stole the show in all the scenes. He's such a sassy bitch I love him|| xD

[dull jolt]

||I wasn't too liking to Venet but I do like her walking in darkness scene||

[indigo shale]

||nah hythlodaeus was the stealer of scenes. emet was just a whiny bitch||

[humble heron]

||we stan a good bitchy tsundere who never wants to admits he likes anything||

[thorny flax]

||after endwalker I can't really decide which character my favorite is. I like now all of them. Even Zenos because the scene before the final fight and how ridiculous he is killed me||

||Rich's "He's combat sexual" is so accurate and I love it xD||

[tardy hare]

||The fact that he turned into shinryu and flew to the edge of the universe just to help you get rid of the distraction keeping you from fighting him was kinda hilarious||

[thorny flax]

ikr xD

[humble heron]

Very in character though

[indigo shale]

||im suprised he knew where to go, how did he manage to track us, did the ragnarok have a black box that tracked the journey that the sharlayans gave him or something||

[humble heron]

||i think the location data was stored in the moon and then zenos flew over and saw a big giant despair bubble||

[tardy hare]

||Krile probably told him or he knew/could sense you from his heightened power as a primal||

[thorny flax]

||no he's just a stalker. Stalker always find a way||

||Zenos tracked Y'shtolas IP after Y'shtola had her Reddit fight in the final zone where she basically told them that their opinion about the universe is wrong and garbage|| xD

[mortal barn]

music in the Moon: ping ping ping pong pong pong pong

[granite nimbus]

||Tracked us through the power of pure fightboner. His fightboner got harder the closer he got to us.||

||The same fightboner let him surpass the speed of light a million times over to reach the end of the universe in time.||

[gaunt star]

Honestly Venat and livingway have made this my favorite expansion

[livid condor]

all of the ||guys and gals on elpis|| [86-87 msq] 😢 😢 😢 😢

graha was my bae before but now it's ||hythlodaeus|| but also still graha [86-87 msq too I guess]

[gaunt star]

||The whole final days scene with answers in the background was perfect||

Venat best girl

[humble heron]

Tag spoilers

[livid condor]

||I'm currently in "you're not alone" and as wow refugee... jesus, this is some extraordinary storytelling and saga-wrapping etc... all expacs had this but this is the time I go through this as "current" so it kinda hits different. But man.. so good. || [final msq quest]

[humble heron]

@livid condor u should tag ur zone and character spoilers from earlier too bc people coming in here aren't always done with msq thats what the endwalker spoiler threads in #archived-lore-spoilers are for

[livid condor]

you got it chief

[humble heron]

Thanks, gamer! Im not a mod or anything so you dont have to listen to me but i appreciate it

[livid condor]

nah you dont have to be a mod its a valid point you raised 👍

[dull jolt]

Hearing how WOW's story writing is, I feel bad for you guys

[livid condor]

it's behind me tbh. Compared to ffxiv where I don't feel a recap vid will suffice anymore, I can still get those for WoW... sooo.......

[humble heron]

Its funny i frequent #beginner-lounge a lot and they are talking about cape westwind and somebody asked if theres a cape westwind hard and (level 89 dungeon spoilers) ||there is now, lol||

[hollow ice]

now we just need ex

[minor wren]

lmao

[livid condor]

hear... fear....

[atomic crater]

Lmao wonder who that could be. I sometimes peek in here even though I just finished ARR (don't look at spoilers tho)

[humble heron]

@atomic crater l e a v e

This is open spoilers for anything before endwalker

[cobalt scarab]

So, a question for Viera players.... Did you all get any special dialogue when talking to the bunnies?

[atomic crater]

Oh okay :)
I don't chill here much.

[livid condor]

I died during ||the dead ends|| just now cause I had to rezz alphinaud. dumb boy!

[gaunt star]

so does the 2 6.0 jobs only have 10 lvl of quest ?

[next quarry]

Yes

[gaunt star]

that's ,,,,,, really disappointing

[static niche]

[gaunt star]

I’m kinda surprised there wasn’t any

[cobalt scarab]

That's disappointing if there wasn't...

[next quarry]

Better than no job quests, and besides jobs don't normally have job quests anymore, just role quests

Dancer and gun breaker only had 10 levels too

[gaunt star]

Reaper quest line was pretty damn good

which is really sad but that least they have that final super budget job quest like with all the jobs

[next quarry]

I'd rather that than them run out of ideas and run characters dry tbh

[gaunt star]

ya ..... still really rather have job quest then the role quest tbh but that ship have sail and the dev isn't taking a no for an answer on that front

idk I feel that role quest are somewhat weak

Yeah I’d just be good with role quests from now on and have some of the job characters pop up for cameos from time to time

[indigo shale]

also tbf with jobs we have kind of passed the limit of what the mentors can teach anyway, as from ShB we were just making our own attacks

but if anyone ever takes our jobstones they are in for a shock for what kind of shit we made up

[gaunt star]

maybe but still the job only battle are really fun

[next quarry]

If I could make an attack I'd make a super spinny move for drg

WoL very smart

[indigo shale]

idk how on the first the WoL got the time to make a robot for machinist but there we go

[gaunt star]

Found in MSQ roulette

[static niche]

what class is he

[static niche]

[cobalt scarab]

Ouch.

[indigo shale]

tbh they should get rid of the class system anyway, and just start with the job

[gaunt star]

wow a lancer that far ......

[static niche]

or better yet
auto equip the fucking thing

[livid condor]

yea but sometimes newbies miss the entire quest to GET it..

[static niche]

no finishing lancer quest then finding drg quest, go straight from lancer end to drg start in the same cutscene

[gaunt star]

people really need a big red do your job quest on their ui when they reach 30 huh

[livid condor]

quick and dirty soluton for them would be to add a step to all quests of "equip job crystal"

[static niche]

big enough to cover the entire UI

with another even bigger red circle painted over where to go

[gaunt star]

you bet your ass someone going to miss cause they don't read the ui at all

[static niche]

and foul language in your language telling you to go the fuck there

[indigo shale]

yeah for the interim they should just add a level 30 msq requirement that you cant do level 30 msq till you have a jobstone equipped

[static niche]

that also work

[gaunt star]

LOLOLOLO

[static niche]

[indigo shale]

whats great is that by them being kicked its not going to change anything

[static niche]

well ofc not but it means less problem

[tardy hare]

they probably waited like 10 minutes to get in msq roulette just to get kicked for not doing their job quests

[indigo shale]

because kicking people makes them more stubborn and just moves the issue from one party to another

[gaunt star]

they should hard lock the arr msq dungeon to jobs only bth

[indigo shale]

well any level 30+ msq dungeon - cant be locking people out of sastasha now can we

[gaunt star]

at least now they don't have to do alt jobs unlike back in the days

[livid condor]

he might not even understand fully...

[gaunt star]

No, they told him why

[indigo shale]

i mean he could just go do it after, idk why he needed to be kicked

[gaunt star]

Idk, I didn't vote

[indigo shale]

not having a job stone in msq dungeon isnt going to ruin the run

[humble heron]

I mean its more about sending a message

[gaunt star]

Ahh its an Ultimate raider who was giving him shit & initiated the vote kick

[thorny sleet]

easy change duties lvl30+ so you can only que as job like with the pvp/frontline ones xD

[hasty drum]

is there a cheaper way to get to radz-at-han than teleporting there?

[indigo shale]

walk between the zones

[gaunt star]

Teleport fees huh

[hasty drum]

i would walk, but don't think we can lol

running out of aetheryte tickets, need to stock up

wait, i do see a Thavnair gate

[indigo shale]

usually you can get everywhere in the game by walking, just need to find where the zones cross, also how little gil do you have to find it an issue

[hasty drum]

i found it, talk to Kytte at the Confluence

[hasty drum]

i have gil, i just don't like paying more than i should :X

[indigo shale]

well slap the shit out of lolorito then for having maintenance to high

[static niche]

delete lalafell when

[granite nimbus]

I was under the impression that Sharlayan pockets maintenance fees.

Since they're the ones who rediscovered aetheryte tech in the first place.

[inner swan]

does anyone know the fastest way to get 15 of the aphorisms

[granite nimbus]

Uh... Run a Level 90 dungeon?

[inner swan]

i figured

[static niche]

S ranks give better but you know... s ranks.

[inner swan]

i didnt think a fate would

[granite nimbus]

An S-Rank Hunt, Fate means.

The problem is that S-Rank Hunts require a LOT of players to kill.

[static niche]

at lvl anyway.
70 and below are easy for 90 now.

[inner swan]

i see, ill prob just run the dungeon

[static niche]

can't even 8 man S Rank in 80 either, it takes forever

truly world boss hp XD

[livid condor]

||endsinger fight... trusts or regular actual people?|| [last duty]

[indigo shale]

||well you can only DF the last trial, their is no trust for it,||

[livid condor]

oo alright. I'm in the cutscene just before so didn't know yet! thank you

[indigo shale]

oh, well sorry, i assumed you were already unlocked it

[livid condor]

no no, it's all good. I asked in order to know so it's alright 🙂

I knew it was coming lol

[static niche]

yeah you can only ||DF the trial, the trust is only exclusive to Hydaelyn||

[tardy hare]

I honestly like that this expansion integrated trusts more into the story, like most of the time it makes more sense to do dungeons in trusts than with people, especially in ||ktsis||

[gaunt star]

Final trial:

||"Can we have endsinger" "we have endsinger at home"||

[sand yacht]

yo did anyone notice [spoiler final MSQ dungeon] ||the group of people from planet pollution infighting in the first bit - two of them say "purify them with fire" and "begone with you" - is this a sir charibert reference? he did keep saying that the sickness must be purged||

[humble heron]

||probably intentional||

[dawn plume]

When do relic weapons usually get introduced in the patch cycle ?

[stiff pewter]

||Of course it's intentional, but whose ship is that??||

[static niche]

well obviously it's ||star wars invasion.||

[humble heron]

||theres a non-zero chance its not any ship and is just art to look good||

[magic kelp]

My theory after playing is that ||the ship in the logo is the ragnarok but the place it's pointing at isn't the moon, but the dead ends||

[pseudo mountain]

am i a shitty healer or is the ending of endwalker content just one giant knowledge curve out of no where?

[lean ore]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/rgwdgc/ai_generated_ff_plot/ im dead

[humble heron]

if talking about the 90 trial (if you arent, dont read this spoiler) I assume it was made ||with the idea that people wouldn't get clipped by planets all the time||

[pseudo mountain]

@humble heronironically im still in the dungeon

[humble heron]

dungeon was fine

[pseudo mountain]

than i just suck

[humble heron]

2nd boss was a bit sus but nothing impossible

[magic kelp]

Second boss is mega sus

[pseudo mountain]

that dungeon makes me want to drink vodka

[humble heron]

then drink up

[native delta]

where do I go for ||the post-MSQ dungeon that apparently exists||

[magic kelp]

||side effects of drinking vodka during the final days may include the dissipation of one's aether and overwhelming consumption of negative dynamis energy||

[stiff charm]

||there are 2, both accepted from sharlayan||

[native delta]

blue quest markers?

[stiff charm]

yep

[urban phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuCNk9tnLg4

i just found dis. what is dis. this is pure addiction

[fast wraith]

does anyone know any twitch streamers that have had good reactions to EW story?

[gaunt star]

theres a few on YT but most probably wont release their reactions until at least next week when the 2 week restriction is up

[slate ridge]

remember how people laughed at sch during the job actions thing? turns out ||expedient is actually useful in zodiark and hydaelyn ex||

||probably because you have to run from one place to another like with the stars in zodiark ex. i think mr happy said that if theres a sch, this is a good time to pop expedient||

[urban phoenix]

nobody said its bad, its laughed at because only bad players need it. skilled players position themself so that they dont need that crutch

[dull jolt]

So for the new arc do you guys see the new arc being in an ||new world like the first which they obviously the game hinted at it an bunch of times throughout the expac and what do you guys think or hope it be?||

||And if its gonna be in an different genre setting like FF7's setting||

[hollow ice]

were prolly going to ||the new world aka etherys version of america which they teased explicitly||

[dull jolt]

||MERICA HELL YA||

[hollow ice]

its also where the blue mages be

[dull jolt]

||Final Fantasy Steel Cystal Ball Run ||

[hollow ice]

||with hit new villain Hillarious Ascian aiming to collect the Zodiark corpse shards||

[dull jolt]

||But they seriously teased that? Is it gonna be in some modern time setting?||

[urban phoenix]

||doubt it, emet teased quite some locations that are next on the list. if they even make a reknown npc say it in the game and then not make our wol take up these suggestions people might get angry. and emet is right. we have plenty mysteries to solve in eorzea. othard as open corners too. hingashi we only touched a pebble named kugane because the rest is closed off ||

[rugged widget]

|| I just punched the fk outa Zenos and I looked dumb af doing it. He lost to a healer Lalafell in a fistfight. ||

[hollow ice]

uh no ||they just teased the new world from which the blue mages are living in, the joke with it being america is just because america was called the new world when it was first discovered||

[urban phoenix]

[real flint]

When I was doing the “You’re not Alone” quest and walking up the thing. I uh hadn’t checked my (8) retainers in a while, and as I walked up, I got the messages “retainer is not selling items in Gridania (or related city) anymore” 8 times. I legit thought it was part of the story.

[dull jolt]

I mean ||I wouldn't be angry since I'm kinda done with the Source and want to go to an brand new setting and casts. But I also wouldn't complain if we explore more of Kugane.||

[dull jolt]

Ooh lol

[hollow ice]

and also ||blue mages give a very traditional ancient native american vibe||

[urban phoenix]

why ||are you done with the source? you are an adventurer and only explored like....15% (and thats already being generous) of your known world.||

i doubt we visit ||the "new world" blue mage continent soonish. they wouldnt burn such a huge continent just for a patch. and mind you that with 6.1 an entire new story already is set up. no i think they first gonna clean up the "known corners" and explore that in full before we walk onto new shores.||

im kinda pissed and very sad ||that the scions "broke up". what im gonna do without my beloved clique? :x||

[dull jolt]

||Because going to an Star or an brand new world feels more exciting to me than staying on the source which most of the conflicts is already over and world peace seem like its gonna be on the horizon. ||

[gaunt star]

this part of the final dungeon looks pretty different in explorer mode.

[dull jolt]

Plus I felt like the story was prepping us ||of going to an new Star more than staying in our world. I didn't even know we still had more parts to explain until Emet said it but I'm like meh on it since we felt we did everything in the source outside of exploring.||

[urban phoenix]

dont worry ||there wont be peace. if there are "humans" there is greed and greed leads to conflict. that much was true when that garlean loser general said this. also we are not a "war ender" we are and adventurer. exploring old ruins? old civilizations. helping the common folk out against that wild dodo that grown to big. that was our original calling. we are back to our roots before we joined the scions....||

[static niche]

that's intended lol

[indigo shale]

||we havent done anything on the source pretty much, we havent even fully explored one continent, that being eorzea||

[dull jolt]

||Well as long as the next arc story is interesting or good then I guess I be okay with it. ||

[gaunt star]

||its sad to see the scions separate, but its pretty exciting at the same time. I cant wait to get into other parts of the lore as an adventurer.||

[indigo shale]

||like the ragnarok will probably be out of service for some time, as far as we know all stars are dead anyway because of metion, thats not going to heal anytime in the WoL's life span||

[gusty quiver]

I dont want it to end...

[urban phoenix]

well it will be hard to trump over shadowbringers and endwalker just like that. people will need to have patience and give the devteam time to build up the "next 10 years" like yoshida said. some wont have that and will whine that the expansion is boring compared to shb and endwalker...and in a sense its true.

the next expansion will be like "the foreplay" while shb and endwalker where more like "the orgasm" XD

[dull jolt]

||I'm the opposite about the Scions. I'm glad to be away from with them lmaoo||

I'm for sure not going to compare the next arc to Shadowbringer and Endwalker.

[gaunt star]

yeah, dont even bothering comparing the next story arc to ShB and EW.

[urban phoenix]

yeah smart people wont do that, but dumb one will. who screams the loudest? right. the dumb ones

[indigo shale]

if we go by the pattern, we can compare the next expac to ARR, which will be set up for everything to come as thats what ill probably be, set up and world building

[dull jolt]

I'm just going to enjoy for what it is since I know it's going to be more of an setup arc with low stakes

[static niche]

don't worry NG+ nextweek

[urban phoenix]

yeah but we can be assured it will be better than arr

arr was something rushed in less than 2 years

[static niche]

not really

[indigo shale]

but thats if they plan to do another major arc

[dull jolt]

Like I would love if the new arc is like ||some big mystery detective like arc that would lead us to some bigger plot by the end of the game||

[indigo shale]

they might just do self contained expacs with no overarching plot to resolve

[urban phoenix]

new job "detective conan"

[static niche]

they used what were planned from 1.0 so not exactly 2 years, but more of taken from however long it took to make 1.0 and their future plans and scrap them into something better

[pseudo mountain]

I have a spoiler image to post cause memes.. but i forgot how to make a spoiler tag for an image

[urban phoenix]

weapon. a lense and brain. if its a riddle expansion i will hate it

[dull jolt]

If its better than ARR and Stormblood, its decent in my book.

[indigo shale]

stormblood is great though

[urban phoenix]

upload and then go on the edit

[static niche]

have you the strength?
the power to transcend?

[gusty quiver]

StB polarizing

[dull jolt]

Stormblood I felt was boring

[gusty quiver]

Didn't like it as much as HW or ShB for sure, and one of the main characters is shit

[indigo shale]

i felt it had more good moments than HW

[static niche]

yeah lyse is garbage

[urban phoenix]

yup

[static niche]

she was just stretch service

[urban phoenix]

what service?

[indigo shale]

do you not like lyse for legitimate reasons, or do you not like her for made up ones like everyone else

[static niche]

EMPHASIS ON STRETCHING FETISH

[dull jolt]

I didn't like Lyse due to her being kind of boring

[urban phoenix]

i know fan service but....ooooh oooh okay.....well shes to flat for that actually....

[humble heron]

some people are into that

[static niche]

it made me horny so i hate her, i need to be horny cuz good reasons ||like venat|| not because they made lyse a impostor sit in with stretch porn

[urban phoenix]

what is that...a- cup?

[hazy moon]

does anyone know of a daily hunt route maker for endwalker areas? the ffxivhuntfinder hasnt been updated yet

[indigo shale]

like her arc was her learning to become well herself, as she lived as yda for years because of papalymo, which looking back, its weird that papalymo encouraged lyse to be yda, her dead sister, papalymo be a creep

[atomic aspen]

wtf are you all talking about

[urban phoenix]

and i swear. her chest shrinks when she goes from that scion armor to that uuuh folklore dress...no kidding

she has more bust in the new scions armor tataru made for her

[dull jolt]

Well didn't he do that to protect her and encourage her to hide her identity?

[static niche]

well papalymo and yda were lover

[humble heron]

uh

[indigo shale]

do you have a source for that

[urban phoenix]

uh excuse me? no?

[static niche]

papalymo moment from yeeting himself into the staff

[indigo shale]

well no, its just because papalymo was sad

[dull jolt]

What o.o Lmao

[urban phoenix]

anyway

both are now blindsided anyway so lets just forget those minor roadbumps

[static niche]

yes. they're dead so YEET

[indigo shale]

when lyse reveals herself, she says she dont why she did it, but papalymo didnt stop her, and even went as far to magic an archon tatoo on her so he could pretend she was yda

[dull jolt]

How we came to this type of discussion 😂

[urban phoenix]

i dunno

[static niche]

we are degenerates

[humble heron]

lets talk about the best part of endwalker: ||flying magical afghan hounds||

[atomic aspen]

This is very much not 6.0

[static niche]

wrong ||meteion songbird pet||

[urban phoenix]

||btw its pretty funny that elpis is located on the worldmap of "the first" 😂 ||

[indigo shale]

||the msq mount sucks, they could not have made a worse looking mount if they tried||

[dull jolt]

ooof

[urban phoenix]

argo is a good boy but eh im not into shiny longhaired dogs

[humble heron]

well elliot, you have drastically different opinions than like every person ive met here

[static niche]

well it's cuz ||you get to elpis via CT on first||

[dull jolt]

I never unlock it yet but is it ||Argos?||

[static niche]

yea

[urban phoenix]

yes

[dull jolt]

Okay yeah I wouldn't like the mount either

[static niche]

||too pretty for our edge||

[urban phoenix]

[atomic aspen]

Have you seen the mounts for the trials get? I got mine yesterday

[urban phoenix]

still looking for a proper flying mount for reaper

[dull jolt]

I'm an wolf/Dragon person anyway

[static niche]

no, but i'm aware they're laux

[urban phoenix]

nah. can you post a screenie?

[weary flume]

done with MSQ! finally i can look at this chat