retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[gaunt star]

Because otherwise it hit EVERYTHING

[teal geyser]

also as you said Emet and Elidibus would have noticed

[ionic flicker]

Theory goes as following: Lahabrea will return cause at the end of Prae in ARR Hydaelyn helps us defeating him. Which caused him to get sundered because... Hydaelyn attacked him? He come back now for revenge

[next quarry]

An ascian coming for revenge?

[ionic flicker]

It has flaws ngl but is the best thing i could bring up for now

[teal geyser]

and no one notices he got sundered?

[glass dagger]

He didn't get the Crystal Mom kick, so I doubt he got sundered, my dude.

[ionic flicker]

Sounds just like Lahabrea

[next quarry]

I'm sure sundering would involve that one Spiderman meme

[ionic flicker]

I already said it has flaws

[teal geyser]

I think it's more reasonable to go with the FF2 reference

of just

[teal geyser]

"haha final days is really fucking up the planet and I'm coming back from hell baby"

[ionic flicker]

Anyway i hope his comeback will make sense

[glass dagger]

Pandemonium likely has to do with something Laha was working on/left behind, but I find it... unlikely he'll be back suddenly.

[next quarry]

I think something happens in EW that makes it possible

[ionic flicker]

Sounds good enough

[teal geyser]

The FF2 reference works doubly well since Lahabrea's opposite is Mateus which is the name of the Emperor from FF2 that comes back from hell

[next quarry]

I'd be down for FF9 references in it too

[gaunt star]

Crystal mom/dad arc is supposed to finish out with 6.0 and pandaemonium is post-6.0 so I'm going with "literally no clue what it actually is"

[teal geyser]

Could be that too

[woeful dagger]

If you think about it, the Final Days is the friends we made along t he way

Right Cali?

[gaunt star]

Maybe it won't be such a clean end to it all

And we'll still be tying up loose ends while the main plot starts moving elsewhere

[teal geyser]

u-uh, no comment

[teal geyser]

Presence 👏 under 👏 Silvertear 👏

[ionic flicker]

What presence?

[glass dagger]

There's apparently a thing under Silvertear Lake that Crystal Mom ordered Middy to guard.

[teal geyser]

Oh boy

[next quarry]

1.0 thing mentioned by Koji during some interviews iirc

[cinder badger]

There's Presents under Silvertear?? Did I get anything??

[teal geyser]

that bit is speculation
Good speculation but speculation

[glass dagger]

Yeah speculated mb

[next quarry]

Why do you think Monks like mor dhona

[ionic flicker]

Isn't it just a seal that was used to control the aether so primals don't get summoned in Eorzea?

Read that in fandom wiki

Nothing about any mystery

[teal geyser]

hang on

Here is one bit

Koji Fox has been asked about it several times

[glass dagger]

The area is also just super dense with aether. Like is a central point in the aetherial flow of the world(?)or something. I just remember that the lake is real damn important to Crystal Mom- oh. Interviews sure are handy

[teal geyser]

There was a more recent interview from....last year? Where he talked about how they had a name for the presence and they theoretically could bring it back

[serene crest]

I think it was in the noclip doc where he mentions that they kept a single piece of art of what it looks like too.

[next quarry]

Did they share it?

[serene crest]

Nope

[teal geyser]

Also this was connected to some 1.0 cutscenes where uhh, the Path of the Twelve members were going on pilgrimages to the Twelve shrine stone things and they had visions of the presence but they were too uhhh, what's the word I'm looking for

not embarrassed

not guilty

[ionic flicker]

Weren't the dragons responsible for halting his advance?

[teal geyser]

Yes and no

[ionic flicker]

I hate 1.0 stuff

[teal geyser]

they stopped him in a specific instance

but that only covered a very short piece of time

The presence stopped his advance after that

[ionic flicker]

Makes sense

[teal geyser]

Which is why there was just 10 years of no aggression by Gaius

[steady burrow]

Is getting the sage class gonna be completing all the story for shadow bringers then going into endwalker like astrologian

[teal geyser]

that and he lost his fucking cool ass airship

[next quarry]

No @steady burrow

[ionic flicker]

And nobody noticed anything weird despite all the happening?

[teal geyser]

just be level 70 and own the expansion

[odd yoke]

No

[steady burrow]

Ok cool

[teal geyser]

OH

[steady burrow]

Thats good

[teal geyser]

so that thing I was talking about the Path of the Twelve members

I remember it now

I found the quote

[steady burrow]

I really like the sage class but i like the story more so i wouldn't want to rush through the story

[somber storm]

Big brain yoshi p

[teal geyser]

but yeah as I said Koji in a more recent interview (this one was from 2018) said it could come back maybe theoretically

It wasn't like, removed

[serene crest]

HW was the only time they required story progression for job unlocks and they said that's not going to happen again. All new jobs are in easy to reach places now so all you need is the level requirement.

[odd yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

Its a full circle

[ionic flicker]

Kinda weird to have a presence stopping an entire army for years while adventurers build a town. Crystal tower popping up. Excavations groups and refugees coming in without noticing anything extraordinary

I myself didn't know about this presence

[iron scaffold]

Middy doing his Job

[ionic flicker]

I salute him

[next quarry]

Well

In gaius' invasion, the city was just a camp

[ionic flicker]

Main point is. It doesn't feel like anyone else noticed this presence except Gaius

Else you wouldn't have people building a town right next to it

[teal geyser]

yeah piledriving that airship into that lake

[maiden lodge]

Pre-yoshi P stuff though.

Key to remember: 1.0 had a story planned they wanted to do but also did nothing to actually tell it

Yoshi P more or less took the bits he liked, scrapped the rest, and moved forward. What 'may' have been planned for 1.0 isn't relevant, because those plans, and the producer who planned it, left long ago.

[next quarry]

Whatever they can take from 1.0 is still in the air

They took the starshower and put it in 2.0

[somber storm]

A lot of stuff did make out of 1.0

[next quarry]

But didn't explain it until 5.2

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but there's also a lot that got cut and for good reason

[somber storm]

Old Echo shenanigans

[next quarry]

That one mysterious man in the Limsa questline

Who did bad stuff

[maiden lodge]

Dalamud was supposed to be the long game

[next quarry]

I wonder though

Answers was the main theme of the game right?

Even before Yoshi P took over

Makes me wonder what they were gonna do

[somber storm]

Probably Presence stuff

Was the song composed during YoshiP era 1.0?

[next quarry]

It was made by uematsu

And a muffled version of it played when the starshower appeared iirc

[somber storm]

Ah

Time to dig up the lyrics and try to connect dots with the old plot

[woeful dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgEg8kXmifo

Can hear the song

[next quarry]

https://youtu.be/aU5N24_5VIk within the first min you can hear it faintly

[somber storm]

Tfw you realised how full circle the star shower and the moon falling was

[hasty totem]

https://www.akhmorning.com/news/famitsu-yoshida-interview-endwalker/#the-new-dps-will-share-the-same-slot-as-dragoon-a-joint-media-interview-with-the-producer-and-director-of-final-fantasy-xiv-naoki-yoshida

Pinning this post.

[woeful dagger]

Lyse getting chased by a single tree boy is always so odd to me lol

[random anvil]

that's poggers

[gaunt star]

ppl will still claim yoship saying it will use maiming gear is a red herring

[somber storm]

Combines all dps gears

So a class with striking, maiming and scouting

[woeful dagger]

when's the Samurai Jack glam

[strange wing]

I would love good sam glams.

[somber storm]

Sam glam stuck sharing with mnk

[strange wing]

Half okay, half homeless.

[dull lake]

Michael Jackson is the final boss

my dad is yoshi-p

also they add a new dance ''the endwalker''

[gaunt star]

this is an interesting statement

[strange wing]

Moon is probably gonna start falling again.

[slate ridge]

What did yoshi p do to help the legacy version of ffxiv before 2.0?

[dull lake]

make it not unbearable

[hasty totem]

How to close the game. Yes. How to close the game.

[dull lake]

by the end it should've been ''just bad but if you're too much into it you MAY, just MAY, have some fun''

compared to ''PAIN'' that was the origianl release

[slate ridge]

I guess he helped fixing the original but I think in the end he decided to reboot the game

[somber storm]

Yup

He casted meteor

[hasty totem]

Search for Noclip's documentary for FFXIV

in Youtube, you'll get your answer there.

[untold gull]

a friend mentioned that the logo might not refer to the moon but the planet

a sound theory, tbh

but it presents just as much a problem

[dull lake]

tbh 1.0 while by the end it was ''eh''

[odd yoke]

It was in the interview

[dull lake]

the game was so fucked up the game had no long term to be improved

so it was more worth to just start over

[unborn lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut8_sDyvp8o

[slate ridge]

Apparently there were meme artworks of alphinaud because of the gundam esque Sage class he chose

[dull lake]

doubt xiv 1.0 could last more than 1 or 2 expansions at MAX

hack 2 is being too fair

[untold gull]

apparently

it took people a good five minutes to start posting it

[dull lake]

bruh

[untold gull]

[dull lake]

if you see streams

people were joking about it INMEDIATELY it was revealed

the very first second

[slate ridge]

“GUNDAM ALPHINAUD”

[gaunt star]

Mobile Suit Alphinaud

[untold gull]

ya, but the pic didn't surface until people managed to edit the images

i do love how all the gundam nerds immediately knew which gundam to use for the meme

[slate ridge]

I thought it looked like the murakumo swords thing from blazblue

Since astrologian is gonna be reworked, and nocturnal sect could be removed, that means neutral sect will also be removed?

Feels like a waste but I heard neutral sect was lackluster

[untold gull]

they're probably gonna rework the whole sect thing

[slate ridge]

Probably likely

I wonder how would yoshi p do it

[floral aurora]

Is this true?

I feel that it will depend mostly on player skill. Recently I’ve received feedback saying “There’s nothing much to do for healing” from the healers so we’ve increased the attack intensity on Eden Promise Savage, and made sure the damage received is tuned as tight as it can be

I skipped savage

[cinder badger]

I don't think I'll ever play a melee DPS in Savage. But I've always been more comfortable as a mage

And I'm not that big on healing either

Though I am finding monk to be a tad more enjoyable on a controller than I ever did on a keyboard

[gaunt star]

hmm

Gear gets about 23% stronger each tier

So comparing relative healing

[balmy mesa]

Is this current scaling?

[odd yoke]

This raid tier really did fucking hurt

With a fuck ton of aoe damage

[balmy mesa]

because remember it's going to be adjusted down from 6.0 onwards

[odd yoke]

There's like an aoe after every mechanic this tier

[gaunt star]

e5s I see 19k hps vs 25k in e9s random clears with similar healing percentiles

which is a bit higher but still ballpark

[cinder badger]

The speaker on my PS4 controller is loud

[gaunt star]

6s vs 10s are both around 20k

though the 6s heal percentile is a bit higher

[cinder badger]

Wendy DF pops it's louder than my TV

[gaunt star]

23k hps in e7s that went to enrage vs 39k in e11s that also went to enrage

[brisk quail]

It's not that scaling is an issue now

It's scaling will be an issue 2/3 expacs from now

[gaunt star]

24k hps in e8s vs 43k in e12s door and 49k in oracle

[brisk quail]

Right now it's minor

A few small hiccups

Having to change agro generation due to hits

[gaunt star]

my very unscientific trawl suggests that healing requirements are par for the course for the first couple floors and jacked up pretty high for the last couple

[brisk quail]

But next expac and the one after....it'll be....messy

[woven escarp]

scaling is already an issue lol

[brisk quail]

Like

Iirc

We TRIPLE our dps numbers per expac

[woven escarp]

they had to make some hacky solutions to stop overflow errors already

yeah

[gaunt star]

yeah that's about the pace

[woven escarp]

big dick DPS in ARR was like 400-ish

in HW it was 1300-ish

[gaunt star]

SB grew a bit more and ShB a bit less but around that much

[brisk quail]

But that's the thing

This is exponential

It will get progressively worse unless they squish it

[gaunt star]

I'm surprised they're only cutting numbers by 80% tbh

that's not even 2 expacs worth of growth

[brisk quail]

I expected like a huge hammer nerf

Like you deal 700 in ARR.

1200 in HW

2000 in SB

3000 in SHB

Like just smash the numbers

Put them in a black hole and watch them compress into oblivion

[odd yoke]

I'll miss my 100k hits

Brain be sad

[woeful dagger]

can't wait for them to not figure out the unsync'd squish issue by launch lol

[brisk quail]

I mean that WILL be an issue if they go that route

[plain saffron]

Wouldn't it be fine if they reduced the stats of the mobs/bosses

🤷

I don't math enough

[gaunt star]

They were pretty vague about the specifics... they talked about reducing the scaling factor by 5x but by my math that would push us down from doing 25k dps to 2k dps

that's what they're doing yeah

Reducing enemy hp/dmg while also reducing ours

[brisk quail]

No no no...they said the stats from leveling will be squished by ×5

[plain saffron]

I'm assuming that once you hit 90 again it'll be sort of fixed

[brisk quail]

But the 80-90 won't be affectes

[plain saffron]

Ultimates would probably require some tighter tuning

[gaunt star]

Right, they said scaling from 50-80 would be squished down 5x

530-130 is 400 ilvls

[plain saffron]

Don't forget were starting 6.0 with squished stats so everything starts scaling from squished

[brisk quail]

Yeah

[gaunt star]

If we grow 1% stronger per ilvl you get the ~50x growth we see from doing 500 dmg to 25k dmg

But if you change that to 0.2% growth per ilvl

[brisk quail]

So lets say they slap it...

It'll be....

[gaunt star]

The total multiplier instead of 50x is about 2.2x

Over 400 ilvls

[brisk quail]

Like that's a long term solution

You won't hit the number vomit issue for like 10 expacs

Or more

[floral aurora]

So they did a better a job when it comes to healing this tier, that's good xD

[gaunt star]

so they're not actually reducing the scaling factor 5x even at 50-80, they're doing something vague that ends up with a 5x reduction over a certain bracket

though I guess the details won't really matter if we keep the same endgame scaling

cuz we'll just get ~2.5x stronger from i530 to i660 anyway

[brisk quail]

We'd have to see more details to say much more tbh

We barely know what they're truly doing as is.

We've just been vaugely thrown numbers

Until they give us... a benchmark of what kinda dps/hp they are trying to scale around

Then we'll figure out

[gaunt star]

I hope in their vagueness they meant we'd actually be doing 5k dps at i660

cuz that would actually push the problems more than just one expac down the road lol

[brisk quail]

My guess...

[cinder badger]

When the tank holds a boss in a spot where I can't access any of my positionals without standing in the fire

[balmy mesa]

They wanted to reduce the exponential growth (since you know, chances are they're using 32-bit numbers to store damage) - we'd have another stat squish either way.
Bear in mind that when SB came out they did a minor squish

[brisk quail]

Is they'll put it around 10k

Then they'll squish the numbers before

And then we'll scale up to 12k or something

[gaunt star]

what did they squish in SB

[balmy mesa]

Experience curve

[brisk quail]

So from ARR to SHB you'll be between

Whatever - 10k dps

I'd love an EXP number squish too

[gaunt star]

I don't think they'll squish endgame scaling much

Like they might put it closer to 2x over 130 ilvls than 3x

[cinder badger]

They're going to squish everything

[gaunt star]

But there needs to be a certain growth factor to preserve the granularity of ilvl increases

[balmy mesa]

If EXP is a 32 bit number, they would have to squish it

[cinder badger]

440 MILLION HP in 5.5

[balmy mesa]

Probably 1/10 across the board

[gaunt star]

Like there's a reason you never get gear that's ilvl 501 or 502

[balmy mesa]

I thought that was 5.4, with the Queen?

[gaunt star]

if that was the case people would just pick out the gear with the best substats and they don't want to make gear complicated

Even with the current scaling you can have gear that's better despite being 5-10 and sometimes 20 ilvls down under special circumstances

[oak pike]

like PLD shield

[gaunt star]

I have to interpret the "highest hp boss in 5.5 is 440m hp" is "highest hp boss that exists in the game at the time of 5.5 being around" and not "highest hp boss releasing in 5.5"

cuz unless they have a second DR savage up their sleeve they're not telling us about then I have no idea what boss would have that much hp

other than the current DR savage bosses

[brisk quail]

Bruh. Why'd you call us out like that

[iron scaffold]

Still bugs me the PLD is the only Job that utilize a Off hand weapon.

[brisk quail]

Wrong.

Just use a one handed cudgel and shield in bozja

No penalty

WHM with block

[balmy mesa]

WHM has BiS for shield atm in bozja iirc

[brisk quail]

blm with block

[balmy mesa]

"I'm going to do whatever it takes to keep muh leylines"

[iron scaffold]

thats in Bozja though

[brisk quail]

"sacrfices must be made"

You never specified that

[balmy mesa]

healers adjust

[brisk quail]

You just said why does no other class use off hand

And we gave you an example of when they do.

[gaunt star]

difference in bis with whm/blm using shield vs not is close enough to 0 that nobody would ever find the difference

literally the only thing you gain is block chance

[oak pike]

PLD are sub humans lol

[brisk quail]

[oak pike]

honestly i like having a good PLD

that use their kit well shits pretty pog

[brisk quail]

Imagine not using cover

[balmy mesa]

I like PLD, but nothing can compare to the thrill of using Fell Cleave

NOTHING

[brisk quail]

Ahem.

Ranged burst window

[oak pike]

WAR is my favorite rn

[iron scaffold]

Did I said "class"?

[balmy mesa]

I know lol, it's the bomb

[brisk quail]

is the only job

Job... class

Same meaning

[balmy mesa]

One holy circle, two holy circle, three, four, confetti!

[brisk quail]

Also... being a chad and just healing the team for being dumb with Clemency

Solo the dungeon

Who needs healers

[balmy mesa]

I had a healer call me out for that

[brisk quail]

Imagine not having a DoT

Sucks to suck DRK and WAR

[balmy mesa]

however WAR is hilariously broken in Bozja

It's great.

[brisk quail]

Wanna know whats broken in Bozja?

A MNK on speed

NYOOOOOM

Positionals? Who needs em. everything in bozja is OMNIPOSITIONAL

ZOOOOOOOOOOM

[gaunt star]

I got better dmg out of drk than I ever did war in castrum but I'm also better at drk so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brisk quail]

Just SLAP BUTTONS

[balmy mesa]

yeah but for soloing WAR just won't die

[gaunt star]

it does wreck house with farming mobs

[brisk quail]

I can't wait to see a MNK on optimal haste gear

Just break the sound barrier

[balmy mesa]

that'd be madness

fist mage

[brisk quail]

Meld skill speed

Slap on all haste gear

Go.

Fast.

[gaunt star]

melding sks doesn't work

but I expect you'd be at 1.5 or very close in full augmented gear

[brisk quail]

Use the go fast bozja action

Go even further beyond fast

[brisk quail]

ludicrous speed. GO

[balmy mesa]

oh no what if the monk goes plaid

[brisk quail]

If he goes plaid. He goes plaid

[white rose]

That is a lot of HP

Makes sense they have to downscale

[brisk quail]

https://tenor.com/view/scotland-plaid-independence-theyve-gone-plaid-gif-3554361

[balmy mesa]

ye, my bad- thoughts it was in 5.4, but if it's in 5.5 - then it's probably the final CE in Bozja

since it'd have to scale according to the 48 man alliance

damage sponges are a pain in the ass

[gaunt star]

I don't think it's the final CE in bozja

Like, if somehow you got 72 ppl to show up

And everyone did 10k dps which is way higher than you could actually expect

it would still take more than 10 minutes to kill

[plain saffron]

Drk has a ground aoe dot

[cinder badger]

Want to know what they could do to make people quit this game forever?

[plain saffron]

And dots don't exactly make for engaging gameplay

[cinder badger]

AV (HM)

[plain saffron]

War did have dot in 2.0

Fucking fracture or whatever it was called

[cinder badger]

Fracture

Marauder cross class

[oak pike]

like at least make the dots cool

like living shadow

[brisk quail]

Yeah and Monks Had touch of death and PLD has flash but now they dont exist anymore...

So war doesn't have a dot

[plain saffron]

Dots ain't exactly fun gameplay anyways

[oak pike]

Auto queen is cool looking as well

[woeful dagger]

Fracture was a cool idea, you left them bleeding. The Potency was just a DPS loss for the TP cost lol.

[plain saffron]

Having one doesn't make a job better

[woeful dagger]

It can make it thematic though.

[gaunt star]

Living Shadow

[woeful dagger]

And I always think that theme > everything.

[plain saffron]

Thats a dot too cats

[gaunt star]

Maybe LS would be bearable if they turn Delirium into Infuriate

[plain saffron]

Infuriate or inner release

[gaunt star]

Infuriate

[woeful dagger]

DRK pretty much has Inner Release just without the free direct critical hits

[gaunt star]

So we don't have to wait 10 seconds to start the 6 second spawn animation

[plain saffron]

The spawn sequence kinda blows

Because its so much wasted time

[gaunt star]

It's annoying af especially in full uptime

it barely hits raidbuffs even with 0 drift

[plain saffron]

I'm mildly thankful my opener doesn't change to adjust

[oak pike]

watch living shadow gets turned into bunshin

[plain saffron]

I don't think that's the direction I'd want them to go

Maybe could make ir/delirium like that

[gaunt star]

I want BW turned into bunshin

[plain saffron]

Stack based and increase the duration of the buff

[gaunt star]

At least the 5 guaranteed hits within a reasonable timeframe thing

[plain saffron]

Yah

[teal geyser]

So guys

do you think we'll go to Origin/Nagyn in 6.0?

Due to the name change?

[cinder badger]

So I was just in a party with G'raha Tia

In AV

[plain saffron]

Cal why you not alumni anymore. Reseph mayo too.mhch?

[teal geyser]

No

I left the server because people on this server sucks and then came back

I wish I had alumni

I miss mayo

[plain saffron]

O lmao

Why didn't you ping a mod for it

[teal geyser]

because that's burdening

and I'd feel bad

[cinder badger]

After the final boss he said "Fare you well my friends - my inspirations."

[teal geyser]

"Hey I did something selfish, please help me"

[plain saffron]

Just take advantage of them

[oak pike]

[plain saffron]

I mean thats not the first time one of us has done that 😏

[teal geyser]

did you tell him he was your little pogchamp?

[cinder badger]

Something like that

[plain saffron]

Id like this a lot. Occasionally I miss a gcd because bad and I cri

[cinder badger]

He's on Coeurl

[gaunt star]

I miss a gcd or two in bw almost every fight

[teal geyser]

but seriously what are people's takes on Nagyn/Origin?

[cinder badger]

And he was our rdm

Didn't True North once only work on your next weapon skill?

[teal geyser]

uhhhhhhhh

[cinder badger]

Or did it always have the effect of anything goes for 10 seconds

[teal geyser]

I think it just didn't have two charges before

....I think

[cinder badger]

Okay that's all I wanted to know. I'm not a melee DPS Aficionado so I forget what a lot of the ability do

[oak pike]

true north is no postinionals for next 10 seconds

[cinder badger]

Yes now it is I know

My question is was it always like that

Or did at one point it only work on the next weapon skill you used

[oak pike]

thought it was something that was fairly new and there was nothing before

idk

[teal geyser]

well

define "new"

[cinder badger]

Still monk pretty much gets five stacks

[teal geyser]

because compared to other skills it's new but it's still been there for months and months

[oak pike]

within 5.0

[plain saffron]

Was 10s 90s recast

15 rathee

[serene crest]

Isn't that smaller than Aernslant? Interesting lore tidbit but I'm not sure what we'd find there.

[teal geyser]

Yeah, and one charge so you just couldn't use it as much

[cinder badger]

So monk has no reason to not hit its positionals even if they can't physically hit their positionals

Riddle of Earth is 6 seconds Three Stacks 30 second charge

True North is 10 seconds to Stack's 45-second charge

[plain saffron]

Monk could essentially cycle riddles of earth and tns for more than a minute of 0 positionals if you do it right

[cinder badger]

Riddle of Earth is perfect for solos to similar to how fist of earth makes you better at soloing

[plain saffron]

Tn riddle riddle tn riddle riddle tn or something like thay

[oak pike]

I sometimes miss old riddle of earth

[plain saffron]

Old.one was super uninteractive

And only worked off raidwides

Set and forget kinda deal

[cinder badger]

Riddle of fire is just flat damage buff nothing flashing nothing fancy

Just "here you go, now break some bones"

[carmine prairie]

Kany-e senna come endwalker

[plain saffron]

Its still a huge sin that riddle of fire and brotherhood aren't the same button

[carmine prairie]

Them elements ain't saving them this time its gonna be us putting them out lmao

[cinder badger]

Monk just got super streamlined

Not having to worry about Stacks anymore and focusing more on just beating the shit out of things

[teal geyser]

Well according to roe myth, A LOT

[cinder badger]

Tornado kick actually being used outside of "no target? Spend stscks"

The only thing I don't like is how fists of wind just kind of sits there

[gaunt star]

Speaking of buttons pls put DWT, Deathflare, Summon Bahamut, and Enkindle Bahamut on the same button

Or at least DWT+Deathflare and Summon+Enkindle

[plain saffron]

Ah yes a plugin that should be official

[cinder badger]

Remember when Summoner had Shadow flare?

[serene crest]

Origin of all things, yeah. But how would they do that? What would we see? Something seemingly that large...

Not really sure when they would crack that open.

[cinder badger]

I have never met a lalafell monk named Krillin but I imagine there's one somewhere

[teal geyser]

Yeah but....why would they name change the island on the map for no reason?

Sure it was always named by either of those two names but....one was on the map before

and now they changed it for no reason

there has to be a reason for that change

[serene crest]

Is that where we're getting our new spaceship maybe?

[cinder badger]

Who remembers One-Ilm Punch btw :D

Truly the most useful ability in the monks Arsenal

[teal geyser]

You know what would be cool about going there?

It's on the way to Sharlayan

[serene crest]

Also inb4 the island is the spaceship.

[cinder badger]

I should have asked Yoshida to exclude sharlayan from this expansion

[teal geyser]

I hope it does get excluded honestly

It needs a time to shine but not now, I want Ilsabard

the more everything else we get the less Ilsabard we get

[cinder badger]

I really have a feeling that most of our time is going to be spent on ilsabard and Garlemald

[heady shadow]

shame we dont go there when its not destroyed

[teal geyser]

Yeah but if you tell that to someone like Dis Yayo they'll say Ilsabard will be boring because it'd be "wah living under imperials sucks" Stormblood 2 even though the world is literally fucking ending and you don't have to do the garlean occupation sob story

[woven escarp]

I think the majority of our time will be spent in radz-at-han

[cinder badger]

We're not just going to get the stroll into garlemald right off the bat I expect getting their involved going through the rest of Ilsabard

[woven escarp]

because we were promised a shitload of gyr abania content

and we ended up in doma for 90% of stormblood

[heady shadow]

i want that near east stuff

more dancers

plza yoshi

[teal geyser]

I'm still mad that Ala Mhigo got cut in half in 4.0 AND the patch stuff but Doma was all one sitting

[cinder badger]

Yeah I imagine if we go to sharlayan garlemald and thav in a single expac.... oh boy

[woven escarp]

I'm mad that stormblood was pitched as the ala mihgo expac

but surprise, it was doma instead

[heady shadow]

well

at least it all ends in 6.0

and forwards its fresh shit

nothing holding the story back

shame it took 10 years

[cinder badger]

The story was being held back?

[woven escarp]

the story has been largely planted on resolving the garlean invasion of eorzea

and now we're finally putting an end to garlemald and the zodiark story

[heady shadow]

ala mhigo was 1.x story stuff too

[serene crest]

We're finally shaking off the last vestiges of 1.0's shambling corpse.

[heady shadow]

sorta kinda

ala mhigans thought they could steal a ship from gaius in 1.x

[cinder badger]

@serene crest except I think 1.0, the actual 1.0 was going to go in a different direction

[heady shadow]

after...... how many times failing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb3_4GGHjR8

yeeee boi

[serene crest]

It was, yes, but everything they had planned was thrown into the garbage, set on fire, and forgotten.

[cinder badger]

When people say 1.0 they actually mean 1.2x which is when Yoshida took over

[teal geyser]

Depends honestly

[serene crest]

They took what they needed and dumped the rest, for the most part.

[teal geyser]

A lot of people talk about shit like no mounts

which distinctly was fixed later on

[cinder badger]

For all the flaws it had I still like some of their class Concepts

[woven escarp]

the original thaumaturge concept as a close-range mage that used conical AOEs was cool

[heady shadow]

Oh hey

[woven escarp]

but it never went anywhere because that design got yeeted

[cinder badger]

Conjurer wasn't just a straight-up healer it was something kind of like a shaman. Using all the elements for both offense and defense

[heady shadow]

I found the 2hour long 1.0/1.x scenes

[woven escarp]

conjurer had more in common with smn from XI

summoning elemental sprites to do things for it

[heady shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU5N24_5VIk

[teal geyser]

ngl that one sucks

It's not even all the main story

[heady shadow]

I know T^T

[teal geyser]

hang on

[heady shadow]

its the onyl one i can find though

[teal geyser]

If I link this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAifwGuWAro&list=PLLfhkR8m8wYshIqe6HJd7VO7tCi-3M-hy

Does it give you the playlist?

[heady shadow]

yes

[cinder badger]

Thaumaturge on the other hand was less destruction based in more of life and death. You even had this one spell that sacrificed your own life to heal others if I recall correctly

[teal geyser]

I personally use that as my go to

It actually has everything start to finish

Also Hildibrand

but I can't help but think due to the length it skips out on some things but it's generally all encompassing

[heady shadow]

ye the other vid stops at gaius fighting the scions

[teal geyser]

Yeah this goes beginning to end

fighting Nael

post Nael

[heady shadow]

oh hey

[teal geyser]

also It's Ul'dah opening

the most relevant one

[heady shadow]

what about this one too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vja5eQoJDso

[cinder badger]

So one of the things about 1.0 I found strange was I couldn't exactly tell at what point I was having an echo vision and what point was the reality....

[heady shadow]

(im kinda bookmarking all of them anyway)

[teal geyser]

Doesn't have the post Nael stuff but that's not really a lot of the story anyway, pretty good I guess

[woeful dagger]

That's because all of 1.0 was a dream

[teal geyser]

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP

Have fun

[serene crest]

We just had a discussion about that very thing in lore spoilers a couple hours ago lol

[teal geyser]

Yeah

Someone was confused about the 1.0 opening and how it made sense given Minfilia and stuff

[heady shadow]

i figured,

[teal geyser]

and had no idea when that vision ends and when we were in the present

[heady shadow]

the time travel happened every time to hear hydealyn singing

[cinder badger]

Because I started in Ul'dah and the parade happened. I fought beside that one guy and thancred against a gubue, met Ascilia and all that.... then I pass out after that one guy died and wake up and they take me to meet minfilia

But apparently minfilia was ascilia

[woeful dagger]

The 1.0 cutscenes were better than anything ARR+ though.

[heady shadow]

well... motion capture wll alaways be better

[cinder badger]

And then it seemed like certain points in the game I used the echo to not only see visions of past events but actually take part in them

Like I was actually there

[heady shadow]

ye the echo then was... bizzare.

thankfully we dont have to do that again...for now

[cinder badger]

Then I got to make my partner within the path of the 12 and naturally I chose another lalafell

[teal geyser]

https://youtu.be/RKIET0wsI1M?t=2211 except when it doesn't....and when we somehow brought Y'shtola along on one

[cinder badger]

And then something about fighting ifrit and Ala Mhigan resistance and I think that was the first time I saw Gaius

[teal geyser]

Seriously what bullshit

[woeful dagger]

Hey they re-used that for Bozja lol

[teal geyser]

Yeah you took part in them but you actually didn't in history but you could also take things from the past but it never actually be removed from the timeline so you basically just duplicated the item

[cinder badger]

I can't see whatever you posted because my phone is ass

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-well-yes-no-yes-yes-no-gif-13736934

[cinder badger]

Okay I see it now

Fun fact

[teal geyser]

What we did in Bozja had some notable differences

[cinder badger]

The crystarium is 1.0 Limsa

[woeful dagger]

Yeahi it isn't the Echo, but it's still "oh hey we can now suddenly view people's past"

[cinder badger]

Aka Rapture

[teal geyser]

Yup

the tech demo screams FF11

https://youtu.be/KVhEvarOkdQ

look at them walking animations

[woeful dagger]

I miss Shtola having Conjurer gear

[heady shadow]

look at all those ffxi npcs

[teal geyser]

Tbh I kinda miss it too

wait you mean the ARR outfit right?

[woeful dagger]

@teal geyser Fun thing in your videos is all the complaining in that person's LS lol

[woeful dagger]

1.0 / early ARR outfit yeah

Before she upgraded to the full WHM garb

her having a leaf branch idk fit more in-character for her

[teal geyser]

Honestly I just want them to change Y'shtola's hair

[woeful dagger]

it's weird how her hair/eyes/skin are all really close in tone

well her skin is a bit darker but her eyes are kinda weird

[cinder badger]

She wasn't just a White Mage

Because if white Mages could use Collective unconscious think about how awesome that would be

[woeful dagger]

yeahyeahyeah

[cinder badger]

In fact from the original trailer Conjurer was supposed to have a bubble barrier just like Collective unconscious

[woeful dagger]

and Alphinaud isn't a Scholar and probably won't be a Sage in Trust.

NPCs still use Flash in the GLD/PLD Job quests lol

[teal geyser]

This is what i see when I see Y'shtola's hair

[woeful dagger]

And a lot of NPCs as like ARC/BRD use the old cross-job system

[oak pike]

Just like npc use bloodfest in WAR quests

[cinder badger]

You see "Lamitt" in that old trailer using it to protect derplander during the battle with a Malboro.

My initial reaction to it was thinking it was going to be protect

[teal geyser]

I like how there are just three of Cylva in this game

actually 3 and a half?

[cinder badger]

Somebody named "Tank Stance" just sent me a friend request

[woeful dagger]

i sure did

[cinder badger]

I was just about to decline I usually don't accept a blind friend request

I try to keep my list relatively clean. I have a lot of people on it who don't even show up anymore

[woeful dagger]

alright bed time

try not to get too angry tonight @teal geyser

[teal geyser]

give back Scion Cylva

[teal geyser]

I'm going to have what's called a pro gamer moment

[woeful dagger]

are you about to call someone the gamer word

[teal geyser]

Yes

[cinder badger]

"LIMSA LOMINSA! A SIGHT FOR ME SORE EYES!" -Quality 1.0 dialogue

[woeful dagger]

what Data Center are you even on Cali

[teal geyser]

n||uuuub||

[cinder badger]

I bet you its Aether

[teal geyser]

what data center am I not on?

[woeful dagger]

I love how Lyse and Palp have zero clue if they are near Gridania or not despite Lyse clearly should be knowing basic Eorzean geography and Palp would have studied for like weeks before their mission lol

[teal geyser]

Technically that's Yda

[woeful dagger]

"huh these flowers, i wonder if this DENSE FOREST IS GRIDANIA"

[teal geyser]

Which makes it worse

[cinder badger]

Yeah technically that's the actual Yda

[woeful dagger]

well Yda is smarter than Lyse in every way

[teal geyser]

Ruuuuude

what the fuck

[woeful dagger]

so she should doubly know they are clearly near Gridania

[cinder badger]

Well then they're both not very smart because you couldn't really tell the difference

[teal geyser]

Hey Lyse got smarter when she became Lyse, was stupider when she was pretending to be her sister and Yda also proves to be stupid thus Lyse was the smart one

[serene crest]

Primal, of course.

[cinder badger]

Yda in 1.0 at least from the starting cutscene acted just as much a dimwit

[teal geyser]

wrong

[serene crest]

[woeful dagger]

the Lyse transformation in HW -> SB was kinda awkward cause she dressed real slutty in ARR to imitate Yda but like.. it means she didn't wanna be slutty but had to be for her sister lol. but that's just Japanese writing i guess.

[teal geyser]

[cinder badger]

You call that outfit slutty?

[woeful dagger]

i mean it's not wearing pants

[cinder badger]

You must not get out much

[teal geyser]

Those are literally pants

[woeful dagger]

what are

Yda/Lyse doesn't wear pants in 1.0/ARR

[deft burrow]

who needs pants

look at limsa

[woeful dagger]

shouldn't this say was a non-playable character

[cinder badger]

They also wear Grieves on their legs...

[teal geyser]

Oh right you are a filthy American

pants mean something else to you

[woeful dagger]

do you call underwear pants

[cinder badger]

You call that underwear?

[teal geyser]

yes

also I would more call these hotpants anyway

[woeful dagger]

no i call that two pieces of cloth glued together for the purpose of letting the imagination take over lol

anyways heading to bed. we'll talk more tomorrow i am sure.

you don't talk to anyone else anyways cali

[teal geyser]

Damn didn't realise sports hotpants was slutty

[woeful dagger]

sports hotpants don't separate that much on the sides

stuff like what girls wear in volleyball ride pretty high, but it isn't like they are split down the sides lol

[teal geyser]

they can a little bit but sure I can't disagree that Yda's definitely more extreme

but...still

It's fucking sports hotpants

[cinder badger]

It's like they expected her to wear full on pants with armored leggings

And expect to do martial arts in them

[balmy mesa]

marital arts, maybe? 🤔

[cinder badger]

Look at the Tantra set for Monk

It shows a lot of midriff

I'm currently wearing it now

I'm sure that thought disturbs a lot of people lol

[royal scroll]

Midriff deserves its own religion

[cinder badger]

Showing much lala tummy

[somber storm]

Looks at Lyse's Scion outfit

[cinder badger]

Three more levels and I get the first deep meditation

[somber storm]

Tfw next expansion could show off a new class in the cg trailer for the wol

[cinder badger]

I will never not find that funny

[obsidian pagoda]

This is my fave so far

[unique verge]

I kind of want that

but with breadsticks and a pizza

[somber storm]

Needs to be potato

[cinder badger]

"I know we haven't taken up new martial arts and I'm not one to set store on appearences... "

[cinder badger]

Alphinaud = New art
Both = appearences

[tiny wind]

ill probably still stay BRD and never check out new jobs like the last expansions

[rough kestrel]

Replace girlfriend with "Striking Gear" and red girl with "Potentially appealing Maiming class"

[untold gull]

can't wait to see that changed when new dps class is revealed

[gaunt star]

Yoship announces it’s a limited job and everyone proceeds to lose their minds

[royal scroll]

I will kill someone if there is another limited job

I already don't like the idea of it as it is

[somber storm]

Limited range dps

[faint dagger]

i will do the same, and I'll kill someone else if it ends up being beastmaster

i will take not having beastmaster, over beastmaster being limited

i don't even care

[gaunt star]

All I know is that I’ve finished blue mage and all I have to show for it is a class that is situationally useful in fates and “maybe” irregular tomestones for rewards I already own

[faint dagger]

blue mage, for what it is, is fun

but i don't feel that what it is, should be a standard

[gaunt star]

The novelty of tsukyomi’s spell wore off in less than 3 days

[inner warren]

No the scythe class won't be limited I guarantee but don't expect it to be necromancer that's magic dps or in wizard 101 death magic stealing health dps

[faint dagger]

incidentally, people who've actually played any other FF game, is this BGM original or a remix of something? https://youtu.be/ASTGVJLBX14

[patent axle]

Ah yes, start the blue mage debate with the idiots who want it as a regular job again please

I'll watch from afar

[untold gull]

i think people said it's a remix of gubal?

[faint dagger]

cause if Sage is bringing with it a sackload of acid jazz I'm about it, but

[inner warren]

And we ran into a necromancer in one of the dungeons hero's gauntlet it was magic

[faint dagger]

hm. i thought i'dve recognised that in that case

[gaunt star]

Classes tend to be teased in some form beforehand with sage being the exception

[inner warren]

And since he said melee dps class it's not necromancer is a scythe wielding class

[half phoenix]

No...?

[gaunt star]

You can wield dark magic while still being a predominantly melee class

[faint dagger]

nothing stopping them doing that

look to WoW death knight, namely unholy

[inner warren]

In which I will majorly enjoy wielding a scythe lel

[half phoenix]

When was DRK, MCH, RDM, GNB or DNC teased?

[faint dagger]

you can't not call that a 'magic wielding sword user'

[half phoenix]

We’re not getting a Necromancer, give it up

[gaunt star]

Rdm=Alisae. Sam=gosetsu, GNB=gaius, DNC=tsukyomi’s fans, Mch=musketeers

[faint dagger]

while i believe necromancer is highly unlikely

flat discounting anything at this point is stupid

[patent axle]

GNB is apparently teased with Gaius using GNB skills in that one duty

[faint dagger]

they could do anything they like

[inner warren]

Sadly I have a inkling of what it is but I won't spoil it for you have a lovely friend who keeps up to date ^^

[gaunt star]

If they don’t give actual necromancer you can just mod it in with the Icon/vfx editor anyway

Nothing is stopping anyone from making their own class at this point

[half phoenix]

They said in a recent interview, Necromancer won’t be happening because it goes against the hero role of the WoL to be bringing back the dead to fight for them >_>

[patent axle]

Bruh this is literally the 6.0 speculation channel

[gaunt star]

Source

[patent axle]

They also said this is why we have rogue and not thief

Because thieves are "bad" jobs

[faint dagger]

anyway i'd expect this has been said before but necromancer is a typically Western thing, is it not?

JP/surrounding areas have a much different taboo on death

[untold gull]

rogue is a former thief

[faint dagger]

which is primarily what makes me think we're not getting it

[untold gull]

which is different, of course

[gaunt star]

There have been spooky classes like necromancer in jp games before

[patent axle]

Yet rogue promotes into Ninja which is quite literally an assassin

[untold gull]

doesn't mean we don't get the scythe

[patent axle]

Hey guys

[half phoenix]

They even said MELEE DPS

[patent axle]

Braking news

[faint dagger]

Yes, but playable? Discounting FF4 where it was kinda just available at the end after you'd done everything else, for kicks

[patent axle]

Scythe ≠ obligatory necromancer

[faint dagger]

iirc ff4, don't quote me

[gaunt star]

Death classes from 4 heroes of light

[untold gull]

i don't get why you're showing that

[half phoenix]

And it’s not in the translation channel, and I’m not at my PC, I’l have to hunt down the comment tomorrow

[faint dagger]

i don't feel like a heavy weapon magic oriented job is out of the question

my main concern is it stepping on DRK's toes

[gaunt star]

Showing that they’ve made necromancers before

[untold gull]

i don't see ffxiv content there

[patent axle]

Anyway it won't be necromancer and once they reveal it's not necromancer I'll come back to laugh at all the people who said it would be

[half phoenix]

Doesn’t matter if they made it before. We’re not getting it

[faint dagger]

because we have magic-oriented heavy weapon boi

it's drk

[gaunt star]

I think it’s going to be limited something and I can’t wait to see the absolute meltdown happen

That’s what people get for excusing limited jobs and other trash concepts

[obsidian pagoda]

You can have a scythe and not be spoopy

[patent axle]

It won't happen

[patent axle]

Thanks sir

[half phoenix]

Besides, we can see Zenos is getting it. He would never let something else do the killing for him.

[tired oak]

what if yoshi-p bamboozle about the new class being melee dps?

[gaunt star]

I love how we still don’t have that hair back

[untold gull]

you guys know what would be funny?

[faint dagger]

i'd be shocked if they're that tone deaf to tease 'new job new job' and then announce it's limited

[untold gull]

if we actually get a berserker class that's wholly different to warrior

[patent axle]

Scythe ≠ Necromancer

[half phoenix]

Nah

[patent axle]

Use your brain a second

[faint dagger]

berserker would either be just dps war or angery mnk

[gaunt star]

They did it for the missing genders they are more than capable of doing the same thing for the new job

[fallen girder]

It'd be funny tho

[gaunt star]

Just watch

[half phoenix]

Berserker was just GNB with a gunless sword

[faint dagger]

i mean damn it'd definitely go into the folder with 'don't you guys have phones'

[gaunt star]

We need to have this moment!!

[patent axle]

Bruh

They wouldn't tease the job like that just to say it's limited

[half phoenix]

Give up on Necromancer

[gaunt star]

Oh yes they would

[fallen girder]

Beastmaster reveal basically confirmed

[faint dagger]

idk

it could be anything. insisting it's going to be x is stupid

insisting it's not going to be x is, and I stress, equally stupid

[gaunt star]

History shows they’re dumb enough to pull stuff like that

[half phoenix]

Also you guys don’t want Beast Master

[faint dagger]

yes i do

next

[half phoenix]

No you don’t

[strange summit]

Beast Master as limited job just like blue mage

[gaunt star]

Besides, with no beast master how am I supposed to find worker animals for island living??

[patent axle]

I want XI summoner back

[gaunt star]

I have like 2 minions so I’m pretty sure I can’t run an island with just that

[patent axle]

I swear to god if the same person who wants necromancer comes to tell me it's not lore compatible imma snap

[faint dagger]

i'm gonna laugh if it just randomly selects mounts to display, so my magitek armours are roaming the open fields grazing

[half phoenix]

If you want Beast Master main SMN for the next month, because Beast Master would use the EXACT same pet AI

[faint dagger]

i don't mind. i main smn. i'd love beast master.

[fallen girder]

Smn but good

[strange summit]

Everything is lore compatible but you have to ask yourself if it's okay to play with dead people

[untold gull]

inb4 smn gets shafted and we do get beast master as pet job but better

[strange summit]

Especially in Ul'dah

[gaunt star]

I’ve already leveled summoner I don’t feel like going through that pain again till they get actual summons

[patent axle]

That's XI summoner

[fallen girder]

Everything is lore compatible if the devs want it to be

[gaunt star]

Exactly

[fallen girder]

They write the lore 😩

[half phoenix]

SMN has summons

They’re called Egis

[patent axle]

Yeah but they can't contradict with what was already said

[gaunt star]

The chicken nugget lettuce and hot chili pepper combo are not summons that is a fast food meal

[half phoenix]

Because old style summons don’t work in MMOs

[gaunt star]

Kk see WoW

[untold gull]

but this isn't wow

[patent axle]

This isn't wow stop comparing everything with wow

[faint dagger]

i get on quite well with smn, i typically get on quite well with pet classes, everything smn gives me makes missing myself with devotion twice in a fight worth it. i would play beastmaster and probably get on quite well with it, if it wasn't some vastly different thing than what I'd envisaged

bruh. they tried not comparing everything with wow and what they got was FFXIV 1.0

[patent axle]

MMO : exists
The clowns : but wow

[faint dagger]

almost like if you want to make a good product you can learn from a good product

[half phoenix]

You mean the demonologist pets? Yea, they function like Egis, same with Mage’s water elemental

[faint dagger]

i'd say lock demons function closer to egis tbh

hunter pets are a mile ahead of egis

[half phoenix]

Oh and Hunter pets too, all function very similarly to Egis, so where the “Final Fantasy Summon” in WoW?

[obsidian pagoda]

I would accept a Hunter job in XIV if they can equip every weapon under the sun

[untold gull]

Freelancer

[strange summit]

As in Anthem ?

[half phoenix]

Onion Knight

[somber storm]

Ranger

[half phoenix]

No, early FFs had Freelancer as the starter job

[patent axle]

Freelancer

[untold gull]

it's a fancy word for jobless

[half phoenix]

Basically the “you don’t have a job” job

[untold gull]

[strange summit]

Ow ok

[faint dagger]

wouldn't mind that as a rework to class system in the distant future

get rid of that shit

[untold gull]

oh, shit. it just click with what you meant by anthem

[gaunt star]

If the basement dwellers figured out how to put valefor on smn then the actual dev team can come up with better models for smn pets

[untold gull]

valefor is an ugly creature in labyrinth of the ancients

[patent axle]

It's just that they don't want to bruh

[half phoenix]

Yet Freelancers are still better than Guardians, let’s be honest

[untold gull]

literally one of the first you fight

they ugly af

[half phoenix]

They’re the same mob model as the boss of Amdapor Keep normal

[untold gull]

also, ngl, i don't play smn but i haaaaate seeing demi bahamut in my screen

even the tiny ass version of him fills my screen too much

[patent axle]

lol

[half phoenix]

But he’s the closest thing to an old style summon XD

[patent axle]

Demi Bahamut is lit

[half phoenix]

Well, him and Firebird

[untold gull]

it's cool. but i really don't wanna see his backside while i'm trying to dodge aoe

i like phoenix. they don't get in the way that much

[patent axle]

Just dezoom

[half phoenix]

Well full on summons would be MORE intrusive

[fallen girder]

6.0 bahamut summon but full sized

[somber storm]

Nah

[untold gull]

lunar summons for 6.0

[somber storm]

Summon WoL

Stando Power

[half phoenix]

Obstructs more of the screen than BLM or RDM LB3

[fallen girder]

No drk already has a stand

[untold gull]

that would be so cool if you can summon lunar versions

[half phoenix]

You won’t

[gaunt star]

They have already made a lunar bahamut summon mod

[royal scroll]

Bahamut Zero summon from FF7 please. Animation and all

[untold gull]

[faint dagger]

tbh, i think demis should have glamour

imagine if ultimate dreadwyrm book summoned golden bahamut?

[half phoenix]

Odds are the next SMN skill set will revolve around Alexander or the Warring Triad. Most likely the former

[faint dagger]

if it's alexander i will not be mad

if it's simply an extra demi tacked on to the end, I probably will still not be mad

[gaunt star]

Id sooner believe smn would get it’s pets deleted

[fallen girder]

Can't believe they took time magic from ast just to give it to smn

[half phoenix]

Um...

[patent axle]

Type zero bahamut please

[half phoenix]

What else would they get from 81-90?

[faint dagger]

smn pulls an alphinaud and abandons carbuncles

[fallen girder]

Summon 4 laserguns

[half phoenix]

Further upgraded Ruin and DoTs?

[gaunt star]

Sorry guys due to server limitations we are removing egis and carbuncles ty

[faint dagger]

but yeah i would 10,000% be for Demi-Alexander

[untold gull]

demi alex would be cool

[gaunt star]

Smn level 90 ability: super ruin

[faint dagger]

or just, uh

5 seconds to Divine Judgement

[half phoenix]

Nah

Fortress Trance, Demi-Alexander does a mitigation boost like Firebird does healing

[rain onyx]

Random mitigation is pretty pointless if it’s directly tied to DPS

[half phoenix]

Ruin and Tri-Disaster(? whatever the basic AoE is, can’t remember then name) get’s replaced with mitigation or slow boosting spells on combo damage

[faint dagger]

i think i've said it before, but I wouldn't be too mad at
-Take Teraflare and put it into the kit, in light of summoning demi-bahamut it kinda doesn't hit as good fantasy-wise
-Make SMN LB3 divine judgement

[rain onyx]

SE removed potency from most oGCD stuns/binds/CC skills for that reason

[half phoenix]

Well it’d fit Alexanders “unmovable wall” theme

[faint dagger]

stage behind you mists over, somewhat-mini Alexander shows up behind you

pew

i mean, nobody in their right mind is holding phoenix for healing

[teal geyser]

You don't pay my sub

[half phoenix]

Oh god no

[gaunt star]

Only when I’m in rp mode

[faint dagger]

most of the time it's just pleasant coincidence that, for example, phoenix 2 comes out about the same time as E9S first tiles

[half phoenix]

Doesn’t Firebirds healing still scale off mind instead of int, like Physick?

[faint dagger]

uh

hard unsure

never bothered to check

[gaunt star]

You know what I want to see? Cure and physick getting deleted

[half phoenix]

Seriously, SE, SMN healing needs to scale off int. Physick does basically nothing at level 80

[faint dagger]

smn physick can just be removed

i would lose no sleep

[gaunt star]

No more cure bots past a certain level

[rain onyx]

Phoenix heal definitely scales off of INT

[gaunt star]

Actually needing to use the full extent of the healing kit

[faint dagger]

hell, remove cure 1 and move freecure to Glare

[rain onyx]

It stopped being remotely good at 60

[faint dagger]

congratulations, you have improved the gameplay of the majority of DF

[half phoenix]

They’ll just spam regen or medical

[rain onyx]

At level 80 it’s literally weaker than your idle HP Regen in combat.

Same at 70

[faint dagger]

yeah, smn physick at 80 heals for about 1k hp

out of 113k or so

[half phoenix]

Physick stopped being good at i90

[rain onyx]

1k on a crit

If it doesn’t crit it’s like 600-700

[half phoenix]

So what, 0.4% average max health for DPS?

[rain onyx]

Yep

And every 3 seconds you regen 1% max hp in combat

[half phoenix]

While Vercure does like 15-20% for the same MP cost

[rain onyx]

(Note that Vercure also has an actual use besides the heal, that being a target-free method to get a dualcast ready)

[untold gull]

Wait, vercure is target free?

[rain onyx]

Yeah you can just heal yourself

[untold gull]

[half phoenix]

Yep

[gaunt star]

Are you just now discovering this

[mint herald]

Yeah you can heal yourself without targeting

[half phoenix]

Good way to res spam too

[untold gull]

Look, i'm a lvl 54 rdm, okay

[rain onyx]

It’s not something you use often and you just unlocked it so no real harm.

For pre-pull you usually do both long cast spells for big immediate damage and both procs

[mint herald]

@untold gull also when you get Raise spell, you can use the trait Dualcast to cast an instant raise on a fallen player

[soft gyro]

You can also heal yourself by targeting an enemy

[half phoenix]

Swiftcast-Verraise-Dualcast Verraise-Vercure-Verraise

And then you have no MP

Raises need to be cheaper...

[rain onyx]

Nah

[onyx sundial]

No

Not really

[mint herald]

It's good the way it is

[half phoenix]

How about a nice round 2000 MP instead of 2400?

[rain onyx]

If you need to raise 3-4 people in quick succession it’s usually a wipe

[untold gull]

It's not really a healer anyway

[obsidian pagoda]

If there are multiple dead does it just pick a random one?

[faint dagger]

comparing to other MMOs where raising in combat isn't a thing

[soft gyro]

just don't die lmao

[faint dagger]

there needs to be hard penalty to raising

[soft gyro]

its alot cheaper by then

[mint herald]

@obsidian pagoda no, you have to target for the raise

[soft gyro]

weakness debuff

[rain onyx]

Also, it’s better to use Jolt instead of vercure for the proc whenever possible

[soft gyro]

why should you be punished for raising others?

[rain onyx]

Saves you on MP.

[mint herald]

Only Vercure works for yourself without targeting, or when targeting enemy

[untold gull]

Eh, hard penalty can go in ex and savage modes. We can just stay with the usual penalty for normal content

[onyx sundial]

Weakness debuff and mp tax

[half phoenix]

Go run Orbonne a few times tomorrow and let us know how the “just don’t die” goes

[faint dagger]

because someone was enough of a moron to die

[onyx sundial]

Mp tax is quite punishing

For the whole team specially on a low piety healer

[half phoenix]

Because yes, post double nerf, with echo, people STILL wipe

[soft gyro]

no, why should i as a rdm get punished for raising other people.

[faint dagger]

they shouldn't have died

deaths are a penalty on the group, not on the person

and raise tax should reflect that

weakness is good but there's no harm in more

[soft gyro]

soo, to discourage raising people?

[faint dagger]

to discourage people eating shit and make people think before scraping them up

it's not a hard concept

[soft gyro]

that won't help with people who are dying though

[untold gull]

Don't mind me typing for too long, my phone is being an ass and not letting me type shit

[mint herald]

Tell that to players in Bozja or Eureka. They will laugh the shit out of you

[soft gyro]

people who die, die anyway, they don't care much about how other people feel.

[gaunt star]

Bring the dr doom mechanic into casual content

Eliminate the bad players

[untold gull]

Why tho

[gaunt star]

Sickness must be purged

[mint herald]

Oooh I don't like this elitism

[untold gull]

There's a higher ratio of casuals compared to hardcore

[soft gyro]

people would cry out in anger if they added doom to dungeons.