retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[maiden lodge]

Always has been

[worn forge]

It’s always been?? and people thought we wouldn’t get Ultimecia references

[bold condor]

I think my one MSQ complaint and this is so petty it's probably a non-issue.

...I wish that tempered Ala Mhigan Resistance guy said "Glory to Zodiark" instead.

[worn forge]

yeah cuz atm him mentioning a citystate makes no sense

[half phoenix]

“Artemisia” ... dammit SE...

[bold condor]

ye

[worn forge]

cuz tempering is based around a specific figure

[half phoenix]

Artemis and Gaia.....

[regal lantern]

Isn’t Artemis the name of Mitron? While Loghriff is Gaia?

[half phoenix]

Yes -_-

[bold condor]

Yes.

Also, Gaia's name is probably an intentional reference to Terra from KH.

[pine epoch]

Gaia when you begin the fight against her in phase 2. says

[half phoenix]

No it’s not. Ascians are named after gods

[maiden lodge]

:/

[regal lantern]

Oh I saw this and thought they were talking about Gaia.

[bold condor]

I didn't say that idly.

[pine epoch]

This is a rough translation from another discord "Past, present, future... compressing infinite possibilities into one flow."

[worn forge]

Kompressing*

[pine epoch]

No Gaia is Loghrifs real name. and Gaia is Loghrif reincarnated.

[regal lantern]

I think I like Eden story this patch than everything else combined

[maiden lodge]

Rom stop makign sense I hate it

[forest magnet]

that looks like ultraman

or kamen rider
@drowsy belfry help

[drowsy belfry]

No it doesn't

[bold condor]

The armors are obviously both Nomura designs, but if you look at the plating, specifically, on Terra's armor, it's more obvious.

[half phoenix]

Hades, god of the underworld, Artemis goddess of the hunt, Gaia, goddess of the earth.

[drowsy belfry]

It looks like a general Japan Hero, it's more Batman inspired then anything

[pine epoch]

Also if you liked Delayed spells from E2s, you have that back in E12s

[bold condor]

Yes, Rak, I am aware they're all Greek gods.

They can be more than one thing. Shocking, I know.

[pine epoch]

I honestly think Time Magick was a school of magick in Amaurot. Since its kronos who controls time and not gaia or artemis

[bold condor]

Next you're going to tell me it's Heracles in Greek.

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-i-know-song-yes-singing-concert-gif-5098901

[drowsy belfry]

Watch Elidibus's name be Zeus, or would that be too on the nose?

[pine epoch]

since nabrialis and Gaia both can use a form of time magick

[half phoenix]

Also does she look anything like Terra?

[bold condor]

Her armor does.

[maiden lodge]

I mean Rom just pointed out a similarity

[bold condor]

And her role in the story being connected to Darkness.

[forest magnet]

Voidwalker wasn't designed by Nomura though

[bold condor]

I mean, the armor is clearly inspired by Terra's. He didn't have to design it when they based the design on his design.

[torpid yoke]

gaia was though could be that he made both

[maiden lodge]

True, and it is impossible for anyone to possibly design something to reference his work

[torpid yoke]

Any greek characters that had a great burden thrusted upon them?

[bold condor]

shrugs

[maiden lodge]

Any greek characters that didn't more like

[forest magnet]

Plenty of demigods

[maiden lodge]

I mean if you wanted a better name

[forest magnet]

Heracles had to kill some snakes as a new born

[maiden lodge]

Sisyphus.

[torpid yoke]

Alright going off my estensive knowledge of greek characters i got from watching disneys hercules

[bold condor]

What's fun is that there's no direct theming of the Ascians' roles and the Greek Gods, and they're not even all Olympians, so it's kind of a free for all now.

[torpid yoke]

Eli's real name is Hercules Kappa

[forest magnet]

Reading Percy Jackson is paying off.

[maiden lodge]

I mean if you wanted a greek name of a character that epitomises the performance of futile labors, it's Sisyphus

[bold condor]

Like, Artemis is an archer, you'd THINK that'd be Igeyorhm's real name.

[pine epoch]

Pretty much Rom.

[drowsy belfry]

Wait nonono wait, Lahabrea's real name should be Zeus no? Zeus is like the big ol daddy of most demi-gods, Lahabrea as far as we know probably created most Primal concepts

[maiden lodge]

And not Hasphaetus?

[pine epoch]

Loosely Gaia and Gaia fit. because in the questline gaia shows up you fix the empty bringing life to it

[forest magnet]

Nah the Ascian that had the most sex should be Zeus /s sorta

[maiden lodge]

The fire god of creating shit?

[forest magnet]

Well, sired the most kids

Though that would probably go to Emet Selch, and he's already Hades.

[pine epoch]

but like Mitron and Artemis? Probably only reason Mitron was given Artemis was for the haha nod nod wink wink at Ultimecia Translation

[bold condor]

Imagine we all think Azem is obviously Helios and they're like "Nah, Hermes."

[forest magnet]

Hermes fits better with Elidibus, ironically enough.

[maiden lodge]

Which also makes sense.

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/hermes-lets-do-this-futurama-gif-9434197

[forest magnet]

And all the Emet Lovers would want it to be Persephone for obvious reasons.

[oak pike]

Wait did solus exist before emet or after emet?

[maiden lodge]

They name them based on criterion other than their strict portfolios.

[forest magnet]

Solus is Emet

[oak pike]

Ok got confused for a second

[bold condor]

Solus is some Garlean pureblood noble brat Emet literally possessed when they were an actual child, yes.

[viscid monolith]

We don't know how long Emet was in that body

[pine epoch]

inb4 Azem was the founder of the seat of Azem, and azem real name was used for the seat. (this is a joke not actually serious)

[torpid yoke]

its possible

[bold condor]

emet: yeets young Solus off a cliff and jacks his body

[maiden lodge]

As for why Artemis and Gaia

[torpid yoke]

None of the other ancients seemed very interested in going out into the world

[bold condor]

emet: i am so complex

[maiden lodge]

What relation does the Moon have with the Earth?

[viscid monolith]

It's sad to think some kid didn't get to live their life because Emet took their body

[pine epoch]

tides gravity

[bold condor]

I mean, many kids didn't get to live their lives because of the Garlean Empire.

[maiden lodge]

Amongst other things, yes.

[pine epoch]

uh celestial bodies?

[bold condor]

And also Allag, and any shard he helped Rejoin.

[viscid monolith]

Ya

So anyway how bout Werlyt

[maiden lodge]

The moon is related to the earth because they one is in orbit around the other; much like a pair of lovers who meet but can never touch.

[drowsy belfry]

And they call US Savages

[oak pike]

Didn’t emet planned on the empire to fall some day

[pine epoch]

I am bad at charades Dis

[viscid monolith]

Hedge we are not going down that route

[forest magnet]

But Gaia was in love with Uranus (haha funni joke here), until Kronos (Ryne) kills him.

[drowsy belfry]

fair fair, I shouldn't have mentioned it

[dim sigil]

Am I forgetting something or did something happen to the white twin off screen because I started the quest and their talking about them being missing

[viscid monolith]

Brb gotta work

[bold condor]

Yes, he intentionally created a fashionista state so that he could end it in mass genocide.

[drowsy belfry]

Deleted it cause it would just go down a route nobody likes

[bold condor]

You know, lemme stop using that as a censor because it's too obvious...

[worn forge]

they never did address the mountain of Solus clones

[nocturne void]

I hope they don't

[bold condor]

Gaius killed a good number of them but expect that shit to show up later.

[nocturne void]

So I can steal em

[maiden lodge]

Also, Kronos, and Chronos are not the same thing.

[torpid yoke]

If this is yorha yes the other twin goes missing for some reason after the last quest of puppets bunker

[bold condor]

What about Qo'nos?

[drowsy belfry]

Level 89 dungeon - Garlemald, bunch of fucking corrupted Emet zombies running around

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-lips-lick-tongue-out-creepy-gif-17520936

[maiden lodge]

They're as different as Κρόνoς and Xρόνoς

[dim sigil]

ah ok thx i dont remember that

[oak pike]

Man the power vacuum in the garleans empire is a shitshow

[bold condor]

Always has been but wow this is getting brutal.

[drowsy belfry]

honestly the guy in charge is kind of a maniac

[torpid yoke]

also looking at the myth of Hermes

[maiden lodge]

There isn't a guy in charge.

[bold condor]

He's not even in charge publicly, it's great.

[drowsy belfry]

A juicy maniac

[torpid yoke]

i kinda want Azem's real name to be Hermes XD

[bold condor]

!faq juicy

[lusty shadow]

Juicy

[drowsy belfry]

Oh yeah

[forest magnet]

Apollo is another candidate for Azem's real name

[torpid yoke]

"One of the cleverest and most mischievous of the Olympian gods"

[maiden lodge]

Zenos isn't even fighting against Nerva.

[static niche]

so

[maiden lodge]

Orpheus would be a better one, honestly.

[static niche]

any transition gif from e12s yet?

[maiden lodge]

Or Odysseus

[pastel coyote]

Someone want to bet that Zenos soul was..... Zagreus

[crystal sentinel]

ye scroll up

[bold condor]

How about Akrateia?

[oak pike]

I liked how the scientist thought valen was fucked up

[torpid yoke]

why Orpheus?

[maiden lodge]

Orpheus, the man who went against Hades for love?

[bold condor]

Megalopeos.

[torpid yoke]

ehhh

[maiden lodge]

The adventurer, and poet, who brought people together?

[pastel coyote]

We are Helios Dis

[forest magnet]

Apollo is my candidate pick because he's the god of:
Sunlight
Herds and Shepards.
And the god who wards off evil.

[maiden lodge]

Like look beyond 'taste the suuuuuun' and see there's wider narrative possibilities that better match Azem as a character.

[torpid yoke]

nah Hermes :)

[maiden lodge]

I mean it's also possible Azem could be Minos or Rhadamanthys or... there's a lot of possibilities.

[forest magnet]

but the Artemis name assignment pretty much throws out any correlation to their mythological counterpart

[static niche]

huh. so it literally changed ||boss from whatshisface ascian to gaia?||

[forest magnet]

so it's a crapshoot now

[nocturne void]

I want to be apollo so I can be a petty vengeful shit

[maiden lodge]

||No, specifically, it's an Ascian Prime having half of itself destroyed, leaving Lohgrif behind to mourn||

[bold condor]

Azem's true name is obvious and you're all fools.

[nocturne void]

Dionysius

[maiden lodge]

Obvious is a bad name for a character

[bold condor]

The true name is ||Indy Jones||.

[static niche]

huh

[maiden lodge]

||nods||

[bold condor]

nods

[maiden lodge]

nods and punches fist

[serene crest]

nods and points to self

[urban turret]

Unu is.... my son....

[maiden lodge]

Now you have two sons

[nocturne void]

tilts head and looks concerned

[torpid yoke]

ponders

[drowsy belfry]

Azem's real name is Hedge, my dad is Yoshi-P I asked him

[bold condor]

WoL: meets literally any child
WoL: yes, hello, I would like to adopt

[urban turret]

Wait who’s the second person you’re referring to

[bold condor]

Ga Bu obviously.

His little voice is so sweet. We need more Ga Bu.

[urban turret]

Nah that’s alisae’s son

[drowsy belfry]

Ga Bu tore my fucking heart apaaaaaaaart

[urban turret]

I lov him but we’re ga bu’s wine aunt

[maiden lodge]

Then Ga Bu is our grandson

[drowsy belfry]

God it's crazy that we have an actual cure for tempering now

[maiden lodge]

When our adopted kids start adopting kids

[urban turret]

Actually you right

[bold condor]

I am no longer hate kobold. I am now ready to moving on.

[drowsy belfry]

Like, fuck me we've been dealing with the Tempered for nearly 10 years. But here we are, we finally get to really save the Tempered people

[maiden lodge]

Also whoever had 'Find the cure to tempering just before a massive problem involving mass tempering' on their prediction card... line up

[bold condor]

hehehe

[maiden lodge]

Prepared, equipped, ready?

[torpid yoke]

And the allagans could have figured out how to do it but amon said no

[severe brook]

I mean we now have multiple problems involving mass tempering
so it's a good thing we have it now

[iron scaffold]

Fucking called it during 5.2

[urban turret]

Also Merlwyb good. We’re finally deciding to solve racism

[maiden lodge]

Also 'They'll never fix the void'

[drowsy belfry]

I do kinda hope this means 5.4's MSQ is required for future Bozja stuff

[maiden lodge]

The actual story: "STOP SAYING NEVER YOU CHUCKLEHOUNDS"

[drowsy belfry]

Oh I am 100% happy to eat my words on "They'll never fix the void"

And I am very excited about 8.0's Lightbringers

[urban turret]

FIX THE VOID!!!!!

[ashen wyvern]

I'm glad they started the void quests

they're definitely gonna continue so I'm looking forward it

[maiden lodge]

I actually do like the idea that fixing the void is not something you just do but it's a thing you earn by levelling enough jobs.

[torpid yoke]

nah its our 6.0 restoration series

[urban turret]

Tbh I imagine it will be a like. Once an expansion thing

[maiden lodge]

Either that or next patch's crafter hub will be 'Void Restoration'

[drowsy belfry]

I MEAN IF IT'S A RESTORATION HUB I'M DOWN

[urban turret]

That’d be SICK

[bold condor]

Ascians: We totally fucked this place beyond repair. No one can ever make it good again.
WoL: Gimme one time bubble year. 🍷

[gentle temple]

YES

[torpid yoke]

Hey

[maiden lodge]

WoL: "Have you tried trying?"

[torpid yoke]

the first isnt in a bubble

[gentle temple]

Gimme
Void restoration 6.0
Void housing area 6.5.

[bold condor]

Yeah it is lmao

[urban turret]

Is now

[maiden lodge]

Everything is in a bubble.

[bold condor]

Once it became part of the story, it got kicked into the bubble like the rest.

[iron scaffold]

and grapes

[torpid yoke]

It can move independent from the sources time

[maiden lodge]

The First is just in a different bubble.

[urban turret]

It only wasn’t when we didn’t get there

[bold condor]

It can but never will.

[drowsy belfry]

Speaking of, they can get away with a small timeskip on the First where we can get to the point where Void Restoration continues

[maiden lodge]

NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE

[bold condor]

SCREE

[torpid yoke]

Just like how a bunch of people said that the void will never be fixed rom?

[maiden lodge]

Just DO IT

[bold condor]

but unless they specifically wanna do another expansion set in the First but 100 years later when all our friends are dead, idk, I don't see 'em breaking that bubble.

[gentle temple]

Time skip.
I wanna see those cute kids old enough to actually do some baby adventuring.

[ashen wyvern]

as always it's azem fixing things with grapes

[maiden lodge]

Different thing. The reasons the void couldn't be fixed were narrative. The reason the Source and First are in a timebubble are metanarrative.

[pastel coyote]

we aren't in a bubble anymore, i clearly see it ! There was a moment where the game say "some day later"

[torpid yoke]

Beq lugg didnt say it would take that long said it be a few years

[bold condor]

Just like how we've had like 8 two-month trips from Eorzea to the Far East in the story but it's still 5 years from the Calamity.

[maiden lodge]

Narrative reasons can be fixed narratively. Metanarrative reasons like 'different people play the game at different rates, in different years, and in different orders' not so much

[gentle temple]

I shouldn't be in here, I still have Eden and like half of msq and werlyt to do x_x

[urban turret]

Also I love how like. Vaguely unhinged the WoL is.

[ashen wyvern]

he said it might take years, or might not, they're not sure at this poin

[pastel coyote]

shush Lukh'a

[oak pike]

WoL going crazy

[bold condor]

Beq Lugg: It may take years.
WoL: Can you make it involve crafting? I'll get it done in like a few months.

[gentle temple]

How dare you shush me >_>

[urban turret]

“Yeah let’s use the crystal tower to make a void gate? Why not?”

[bold condor]

pets Lukh'a

[torpid yoke]

Certain things happen in a line. Like the 50 cul quest always takes place in ARR before the banquet

[bold condor]

Yes, things take place in their native patch, but that's not the same thing.

[pastel coyote]

i will shush you for exposing yourself to such spoiler

[drowsy belfry]

Beq Lugg: It may take years.
WoL: Yeah no that takes too long, hol up lemme cook up something
Beq Lugg: No you can't just make somethi- how did you use a frying pan to make a void portal
WoL:

[bold condor]

Quests will take place in their native patch, but the story will never progress in such a way that like

[maiden lodge]

Regardless, the time bubble is because some people have been playing the game for half a decade and others are just experiencing it in 2020. And they don't want either experience to be 'canonical'

[bold condor]

Coerthas will stop snowing, you dig?

[torpid yoke]

If it happens in a later expansion they can do a time skip enough that the world doesnt change hugely but the characters can progress

[urban turret]

Also the WoL is an adoptaholic but like with all those they share custody. The only child they take care of on their own is Anima.

[maiden lodge]

and midgarsormr, who is also our child now

[bold condor]

They would need to change every character in the First except Il Mheg. And also probably remove half of the Tempest entirely.

[gentle temple]

Also, I'm convinced Tataru fried up that airship in her pan, so anything's possible now

[maiden lodge]

That said, holy shit there's towers

[urban turret]

Midgarsormr is a dilf

[torpid yoke]

The tempest was said it might take a longer time than a few years to disappear

[bold condor]

Midgardsormr is Cranky Kong.

[forest magnet]

Pixies fade over time so some fae characters would be changed

[maiden lodge]

There's literal background towers now

[drowsy belfry]

Give it another patch and they'll start chanting WE FALL

[bold condor]

I bet this dude finna smash the moon into the planet.

[torpid yoke]

And if you only go foward a couple years you dont need to really change characters much

[bold condor]

We going full Majora now boys.

[urban turret]

WoL is more an unhinged wine aunt than a parent most of the time.

[gentle temple]

Eh, a few years shouldn't make a big difference.

[pastel coyote]

Well cause of lukh'a i will spoiler it from what we learned from eden || can't we suppose that the flood of darkness started in a similar way ? Someone get too much DARKNESS in them and is still somewhere ? Someone who's is called Vanitas ||

[maiden lodge]

Meanwhile Varis, from the grave: 'Wow, I should have thought of mass tempering towers'

[torpid yoke]

stop this XD

[drowsy belfry]

God Rommy imagine that fucking CGI trailer

[gentle temple]

I'm leaving. But i appreciate it, Saki.

[drowsy belfry]

Angry Depressed Derplander as <X Job> screaming at the moon

[bold condor]

Apart from any child characters, infrastructural changes, the removal of mobs that would no longer make sense in context, the addition of towns that would logically now exist...

[pastel coyote]

Come back here soon

[drowsy belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-joseph-joestar-joseph-nigirishimete-gif-15370430

[torpid yoke]

what mobs would they have to remove?

[forest magnet]

That's why there's no sin eater mobs.

You'd have to remove them later when u returned the night.

[bold condor]

Anything in Amaurot.

[maiden lodge]

Also Amaurot.

[forest magnet]

delete amaurot

[torpid yoke]

Amarout is gonna take a while to actually disappear

[maiden lodge]

Though they could paint over Amaurot with the 'ruins' brush

[serene crest]

Can't wait for Tiamat's New Funky Mode

[vale flower]

just name the old map 'the first: memory' and then make a new 'current' the first :v

[bold condor]

I think it'd be a really weird choice to break the time bubble just for the First.

[maiden lodge]

Just make it significantly less lit

[drowsy belfry]

God could you actually phase mobs for people in 5.0 and people post 5.0?

[torpid yoke]

If you only move time forwaed lets say 3 years it would still be there

[drowsy belfry]

*had they used Sin Eaters as general mobs

[forest magnet]

another thing about removing mobs is also blue mage.

[bold condor]

Milly avoiding that kind of shit is LITERALLY why they have a time bubble.

[pastel coyote]

We will make peace with the sahagin and they will tell us "finless one ! we did find some ruin below, sound strange"

[bold condor]

They don't want to have two versions of the same map with one being outdated.

[maiden lodge]

The only way they'd break the time bubble in that way is if time travel becomes a thing we do.

[urban turret]

Also man them just saying “fuck it we’re curing racism now” finally. It’s good.

Merlwyb said fuck racism

[torpid yoke]

Cant think of any villages that would just spring up

[maiden lodge]

Well, outside of superficial terrain texture changes or skybox/background alteration

[bold condor]

Most of Lakeland is in ruins.

[vale flower]

about time given she was ears-deep in it before :v

[bold condor]

Why would they not build now that they have the opportunity? Or Amh Araeng?

[maiden lodge]

'We're at war!'
'Merlwyb, hun, you're being slightly racist as a nation.'
....years later...
'Okay, so, this not being racist thing... I'm kinda pushing hard for it'

Something to point out--this isn't just out of the blue. Merlwyb was called out on it allllllll the way back in ARR which is why it's important Y'shtola be there

[vale flower]

meanwhile, kan-e-senna laughing maniacally as moonkeepers, duskwights and ixals burn

[torpid yoke]

Arent the warg people still around causing problems even after restoring the night?

[bold condor]

Warg people...?

[gentle temple]

Werewolf things in the First

[maiden lodge]

I'm just happy we got Merlwyb content

[gentle temple]

There's a couple fates about them.

[bold condor]

Anyway, if you do a timeskip on the First, you're going to need to bring narrative focus back to the First, or it's just wasted resources.

[maiden lodge]

And she's just as badass as ever

[bold condor]

If it's just about restoration, you don't need a timeskip for that.

[gentle temple]

I forgot to mute this channel XD

[torpid yoke]

I mean not necessarily if you just focus on The two 13th babs that are there trying to see if they can fix the void

[bold condor]

Okay, but that also doesn't require a timeskip.

[torpid yoke]

To find a way to fix the void beq lugg said it might take time to find a way

[urban turret]

Just say “oh we found something”

[bold condor]

Yeah, so would fixing Ishgard and liberating Ala Mhigo.

[urban turret]

“It was faster than expected”

[bold condor]

Or fixing the Empty.

[serene crest]

Throw Ryne and Gaia at the void. They'll bumble their way to a solution like before.

[torpid yoke]

We had a giant sin eater to fix that quicker

[vale flower]

time for GIANT VOIDSENT

[torpid yoke]

And all of those did technically take time

[bold condor]

Yes, I know, and none of them involved a timeskip.

[iron scaffold]

Varis must suffer a horrible death

[torpid yoke]

plus those are on the source

[bold condor]

That's the point. I get the impulse to want to see "where they are now" but that's just not what this game does.

[lunar hound]

raise your hand if you had no idea the Dissidia games existed before seeing "hot CoD" ✋

[torpid yoke]

It's not really an impulse for me im just saying its a possibility

Specially when they raised the point of shards moving at different speeds

[iron scaffold]

✋

no wait

I played Dissidia

[bold condor]

Now raise your hand if you had no idea "hot Cloud of Darkness" is as old as the Famicom.

[torpid yoke]

Wouldnt that be the only place they could pull it from?

Is hot CoD never seen in FF3?

[iron scaffold]

you can fool me, Famicom was NES hot older sister

[regal lantern]

Merylwyb basically was a ruler who wanted to expand her land and more than racism, it’s to do with power and subjugation.

I’m sorry for whatever reason we’re being shown but no amount of Devs saying anything can convince me that the same Merylwyb that went out of her way to provoke kubolds to the point they summoned a primal purely at self defence, is suddenly now a sweetheart and wants peace.

The world has seen what WoL can do. They’ve realised Scions are neutral more or less. They know WoL’s strength. It is fear of WoL that made her change her mind. There’s no way I’m believing anything she says. She’s hot and all but you don’t just flip a switch and have a change of heart like that

[calm rock]

Old CoD was just the green lady sticking out of a cloud

[late aurora]

It only appears as Green form in 3, I’m pretty sure

[bold condor]

The green look is the sprite in-game (also comes in orange).

[serene crest]

Yeah Amano's concept sketches rarely made it into older games because many were too detailed for what the hardware could do

[torpid yoke]

I mean when you come to a land with nothing more than the shirts on you backs and you need stuff thats what happens. You need shit so they became pirates but when the empire attacked they came together to push them out drew a treaty and then exploited the in between the lines text to bolster their own land

[severe brook]

Please look forward to "Pandemonium," the 6.0 8-man Raid Series

[torpid yoke]

Plus ya know years of seeing the impossible become possible changes someone

[iron scaffold]

it was until the late 90's that some of his work were translated decently into the later numbers

[pastel coyote]

hehehe i can't have the ilevel for emerald EX before next week

[torpid yoke]

and by years i mean timebubble but ya know

[bold condor]

Garlean imperial throne becomes Castle Pandemonium as the epicenter of the Final Days.

[iron scaffold]

@dim sigil that's a STAND.

[torpid yoke]

TL:DR its not fear its that she legit wants there to just be peace

[regal lantern]

It’s been months at best. And she’s not a child. She’s a grown woman. You’re telling me it took her the last few years (ignoring time bubble) to realise “I shouldn’t be a power hungry Bitch”? No. That’s not it. Maybe if it was a child. People when aged, don’t flip that quickly. If this happened over a period of time, I’d agree.

[bold condor]

???

[torpid yoke]

She's not power hungry though

[bold condor]

Hold on Merlwyb is NOT the one responsible for the expansion.

[pastel coyote]

Wasn't the conflict with the kobold start like 50 year ?

[bold condor]

Let's go discuss this where there's not Slowmode.

[calm rock]

Merlwyb's power hungry? I struck her as being more pragmatic about things and using that as flimsy justification (which she knows is flimsy justification, anyway)

[bold condor]

Since this isn't a 5.4 spoiler discussion, this is a character who's been around since 2.0.

[regal lantern]

Well we can use different words for what she is, but Y’shtola points it out multiple times how even she felt Titans summoning was infact justified and Merylwyb basically went “I don’t care about them. I’ll do it again if I have to”

[forest magnet]

The pact has been mentioned in lore previously right?

[iron scaffold]

three times so far

[forest magnet]

did we know the wording?

[pastel coyote]

Well you're not gonna like that Kay: but most people "don't care" about other, we care about those who are close to us first and the rest don't matter

[maiden lodge]

Merylwyb basically was a ruler who wanted to expand her land and more than racism, it’s to do with power and subjugation.

Modern understanding of racism does not just include overt bigotry. Racism, and oppression, is not restricted to 'Oh you know their kind' nor is it defeated simply by silencing overt bigotry.

Minor quibble but yes, what Merlwyb was doing was about power, and subjugation, and expansion, and survival, but that doesn't make it not racist.

[regal lantern]

Oh I do know that very well, which is why I’m not buying her sudden change.

[maiden lodge]

It's not really a sudden change. It's a change that's been in the background for quite a while, it's something that was brought up as a problem with Merlwyb, explicitly, and one she needed to solve.

[regal lantern]

I never said it’s not racist. I said it’s not just racism alone.

[bold condor]

I don't get why we're not buying this but we're accepting the Dragonsong War's conclusion.

Or Eulmore.

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, it's only 'sudden' because her change hadn't been adjacent to the plot or themes of the story until now.

[heady shadow]

^

[bold condor]

Like, Chai-Nuzz is about the same age as Merlwyb if you want to make the essentialist argument that older people are intrinsically worse and less able to change than young people just by virtue of their age.

[regal lantern]

I’m not accepting those either.

[maiden lodge]

Here, let me put it another way--they aren't going to go back to ARR's 'throw everything in the basket, whether on theme or not' style of post-expansion writing.

[regal lantern]

And eulmore felt like a fairy dream

[bold condor]

Then your point of view is flawed and you are applying a cynical worldview to an idealistic game.

[maiden lodge]

So, unless it matters to the main theme or plot, they can't simply have a sideplot show up where Merlwyb is 'just a little less racist today'

There's also the underlying problem that peace, with the tempered, has up until now been futile.

[iron scaffold]

That what you get when you go full Amano Art style

[bold condor]

This game constantly promotes the idea that people generally want to do good things deep down and that conflict arises when people attempt to force the world to fit their mold. But Merlwyb has, since 2.0, opened relations with the kobolds and sahagin via the beast tribe quests and involved herself directly in the liberation of Ala Mhigo and Doma.

[maiden lodge]

Plus, her trying to steer Limsa Lominsa away from piracy has also been a constant thread, and one long established

[bold condor]

Merlwyb is not racist. She doesn't hate kobolds because they're kobolds, or because they're beastmen, and Limsa Lominsa is in fact the ONLY Eorzean city-state that CONTINUED to accept beastman trade with non-hostile ones.

[maiden lodge]

However, she has been complicit in a systematically racist relationship. Which is a distinction that needs be made--she is 'racist' in the sense that she was factually, a figure of oppression.

And she was not blind to it.

[bold condor]

You're correct there, but the issue I'm having is the conflation of it with Merlwyb as a person.

[maiden lodge]

The thing is the story is not afraid to 'go there'.

[bold condor]

Merlwyb taking responsibility and trying to change that system is not a change in characterization.

[maiden lodge]

It's flat out called Merlwyb out for it--the justification of 'i'm not a racist' is not enough.

[bold condor]

She literally came to power BECAUSE she is a maverick who intends to change the systemic problems with her nation.

[maiden lodge]

No, it's the same character undergoing growth.

[bold condor]

Yes. Exactly. I'm more talking to Kayleigh than you.

[pine epoch]

Rom want to see a cursed image

[bold condor]

Yes.

[maiden lodge]

Is it of VvV because no image of VvV is uncursed

[pine epoch]

Check mems

[iron scaffold]

has anyone did a location check on the ||Garlean Towers||?

[forest magnet]

yeah there was a reddit post

Lochs, Yanxia, Southern Than, Outer La Noscea, South Shroud

[urban turret]

I should go around to look at them at some point

[marsh osprey]

this zurvan weapon is god tier ngl

ty yoshi

[urban turret]

Also man “why are the towers tempering people to garlemald” is such an interesting hook

Like how? Why? What the duck?

[bold condor]

Well, back in 4.5, we did establish the zealous Garlean nationalism is basically an imperial cult and religion unto itself.

[zenith turret]

theres also a tower in forelands

[pine epoch]

When do we get varis primal as a reference to emperor mateus

Or solus primal

[urban turret]

Hm. Man I have. No idea where the next expansion will be

[zenith turret]

garlemald

[urban turret]

No I don’t think so

[zenith turret]

they cant tease us like that for 2 expansions and then not take us there, thats cruel

[urban turret]

Garlemald is the only one I have an opinion on and it’s “no”

[maiden lodge]

Well, we've been explained how tempering works--and the mechanics of it don't exactly need to be restricted to primals

[pine epoch]

Even vauthry has his own form of tempering

[maiden lodge]

Vauthry's not quite tempering

[pine epoch]

It's not the same but similar

[maiden lodge]

Again, it doesn't follow the mechanics.

Well, no, kinda, not similar.

[mighty light]

I heard someone conflating Sin Eater shit with Tempering again and I came as fast as I could

[maiden lodge]

So, vauthry is using aetheric corruption to affect the mind. But it's not the same way as tempering works.

[mighty light]

(Okay back to course again bye)

[bold condor]

Hey, we've had a whole continent unexplored since 1.0.
Spencer: nah

[zenith turret]

right??

get rid of the fucking clouds at least

[bold condor]

I want a map of the continents I can put on my wall, yes.

[urban turret]

Look there’s a lot of things pointing away from garlemald so like I’d be happy to be wrong but I really think we’re going somewhere else

[bold condor]

Also what we've seen of Ilsabard so far is really beautiful.

[maiden lodge]

I will stop conflating sin eater corruption and tempering when the story stops making them adjacent aetheric phenonema being an important plot point.

[pine epoch]

I wanna go to fantasy Russia motherland of garleans. And then head down to the southern coastal regions and head to fantasy Naples

[random ravine]

whats the clime of ilsabard?

[warm trench]

So what's the over/under on how long it will take for the "lol daddy issues the boss fight" jokes for Anamorphosis to die out?

[bold condor]

Varies.

[mighty light]

Kawaiian you weren't conflating them

[random ravine]

alpine?

[maiden lodge]

I mean, I do though.

[zenith turret]

i didnt realise bozja, werlyt and garlean towers were all pointing AWAY

[bold condor]

There's deserts, mountains, and snowy areas.

[random ravine]

so it's pretty much like eorzea then

[maiden lodge]

I'm admitting I do--sin eater corruption and tempering are similar aetheric phenomena

[bold condor]

Like anywhere else, really.

[mighty light]

No you don't
You compare them, b/c they do have similar functions
That's not the same thing as treating them as identical

[bold condor]

It's the largest of the Three Great Continents and home to numerous provinces.

[maiden lodge]

Similar enough that the solution to one leads to the solution to the other--it's the addition of that added step that makes the difference.

[pine epoch]

Terncliff is effectively some form of Italian Greece style area

[random ravine]

well mountains in china look different from mountains in the US

[maiden lodge]

Well... um...

okay that's fair

But what vauthry's done is... how to explain this

Vauthry's done mild bodily corruption which permits him to influence the mind.

[pastel coyote]

wait why snack is here ?

[pine epoch]

But ya ilsabard is large and so would have multiple biomes

[maiden lodge]

But the soul is untouched

[pastel coyote]

since when did a clear 5.4 ?

[random ravine]

oh sorry i thought this was lore spoilers

[pine epoch]

We know garlemald is the furthest north country and is in constant snow storms colder than coerthas.

[random ravine]

it's normally the third chatroom in FFXIV section

[maiden lodge]

We'll have exactly 6 biomes!

[pastel coyote]

run !

[urban turret]

Also like minor thing: if we wanted a darkness primal... what about Bahamut? You know the guy who literally ushered in the darkness calamaty

[bold condor]

Bahamut was mostly fire.

[pine epoch]

Because voidsent are cooler

[maiden lodge]

Bahamut is not darkness-aspected, and we don't really know of a primal that is actually so.

[bold condor]

It's actually a reason he was used as a conduit for Dalamud.

[pastel coyote]

You see that guy ? What i did with snack was exactly the meaning behind that motto || the strong must lead the weak ||

[maiden lodge]

yes I know aspected is the wrong word

[random ravine]

huh?

[bold condor]

Bahamut is extremely astrally-aligned, but he's not, like, unaspected, since he's mostly astral fire.

[maiden lodge]

Not to the point of Darkness no

[urban turret]

Ah fair

[pastel coyote]

get out snack and don't come back before you clear 5.4 ...... well this channel will be probably dead in one week. Or worse: rejoined

[urban turret]

Also for tempering: what about overtly light aspected (Sophia and Lakshmi) or weirdly unaspected (Moogle Mog) primals?

How do those work

[pine epoch]

Well in 14. Sophia is lightning and wind

[odd yoke]

http://www.twitch.tv/fionnabeoulve?sr=a English stream of e12s phase 2

[maiden lodge]

Primals that are heavily light-polarized would probably have no problems tempering because it's making the soul umbral that gets the party going.

[random ravine]

well currently lore-spoilers is kinda dead

[maiden lodge]

Lakshmi, you'll note, very much temper-happy

[torpid yoke]

like what?

[maiden lodge]

Yeah cause we're talkin about the new shit

[pine epoch]

Sophia in 14 would most likely due to the whole concept of balance be. Neutral? Between astral and umbral? Idk

[serene crest]

We can’t talk 5.4 stuff in the other channel but we’re all down to answer and discuss everything else there, Snack.

[bold condor]

Sophia is most likely balanced in polarity. As all things should be.

[maiden lodge]

Actually right now is the best time to discuss not-5.4 in the lore-spoilers

[pine epoch]

Ye

[maiden lodge]

Well Lightning and Wind kinda implies she's not balanced in the astral/umbral polarity scheme

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/perfectly-balanced-thanos-infinity-war-gif-13078930

[urban turret]

Bozja and Werlyt sorta feel like proving a “garlemald but not” to tide people over, and there’s an interview that’s pretty explicit “we’re not going to garlemald

[bold condor]

Where?

[urban turret]

Give me a half second

[pastel coyote]

here we go again

[forest magnet]

it's not 'explicit' it's "We're going to surprise people in a good way"

[bold condor]

I like how the mentality is "Yoshi-P lied about going to Garlemald last expansion" but also "Yoshi-P is telling the truth now."

[torpid yoke]

I wouldn't take what they say in interviews seriously considering that they dont wanna tell us where we're going too far ahead of time

[forest magnet]

It's not a confirmation of anything. It's Yoshi-P being vague as always. So stop that.

[pastel coyote]

and it will be really nice from Fandaniel to wait one expac

[bold condor]

...Though, tbh, we DID take the fight to Garlemald in 5.x.

[pine epoch]

Also they wouldnt say garlemald would be the expansion they would call it ilsabard. As garlemald is just 1 place in ilsabard

[urban turret]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/422502-6.0-Predictions-Will-it-be-Garlemald-Sharlayan-or-Meracydia there’s a gamespot interview quoted in this forum post

[random ravine]

what do we do once we destroy the empire?

[pastel coyote]

we destroy the moon

[bold condor]

iunno, Meracydia or Sharlayan or the New World

[pastel coyote]

then the universe

[forest magnet]

I mean something is gonna happen with those towers

[bold condor]

I feel like moon is next expansion because Lunar Bahamut.

[torpid yoke]

Lunar WHALLLLLLLLLLE

[random ravine]

i wonder if they will introduce another country as strong as garlemald, that then beomes the new antagonist

[forest magnet]

at least 1 zone on the moon would be fitting

[bold condor]

You know what would go against players' expectations?

[forest magnet]

Lunar whale would be an interesting 'beast' that could be conjured up as a boss fight

[pine epoch]

5 zones in ilsabard and 1 moon

[torpid yoke]

Also snack being here is like a mine field for spoilers XD

[bold condor]

Garlemald being the fifth zone with the second trial there but not the end of the expansion.

[pastel coyote]

I already have my job evolution: holy dragoon. Do you have your ?

[severe brook]

Yeah this is what I'm guessing too.

[lunar hound]

We figure out how to "unjoin" the worlds the Ascians have sacrificed and have expansions there 😛

[bold condor]

As an example of ways that could just be not what he meant.

[random ravine]

is there an equivalent of the Garlemald empire in the First?

[torpid yoke]

That'd be cool

[bold condor]

But also if we're to take "Yoshi-P lied about Shadowbringers" to heart then Yoshi-P is also not exactly reliable.

[forest magnet]

no

[bold condor]

There was, but it's dead.

[severe brook]

no, on account of the whole apocalypse thing they're dealing with

[urban turret]

Well that’s more allag than anything

[severe brook]

Ronka felt more like an Allag parallel than a Garlemald parallel

[pine epoch]

Also the actual full interview that line comes from. Yoshida didnt say it wouldnt be garlemald. If I remember the translation right. "Theres more than just garlemald" something like that

[bold condor]

I was not referring to Ronka.

I was referring to the geographical position that Garlemald would be equivalent to, which is also dead.

[torpid yoke]

There are so many providences in ilsabard that they could just do garlemald earlier and then just go to other providences because we're following zenos or something

[severe brook]

and Ilsabard would be more than just Garlemald, as there are other nations there that've been conquered.

[urban turret]

Ohhhh

[bold condor]

Damn son I didn't know that.

Set sail for Thavnair, y'all, I hope you brushed up on your Zodiac Braves lore because we headin' to the big boy continent.

JUST STOP BLUE BALLING ME YOSHI-P.

[random ravine]

Would Thavnair be a rival to Garlemald

[torpid yoke]

But as always we shouldnt take what the devs say as gospel when we are not at the end of the expac since ya know....they dont wanna spoil?

[pine epoch]

Inb4 we dont see radz at han. But instead end up at another ivalician country that's in thavnair on the coast

[bold condor]

There are no Ivallician countries.

[pine epoch]

You know what I mean

[iron scaffold]

...

actually..

[pastel coyote]

Well we should ask Gabranth about that

[bold condor]

kekek

[iron scaffold]

which one though

[bold condor]

It's so confusing because when you think Dalmasca you wanna think Ivalice but it's not Ivalice in this setting.

Lesalia was, but not Dalmasca.

[pine epoch]

Uh what was the opposing empire to Arcadia

[pastel coyote]

all of them Sunni

[lunar hound]

Rosalia

[bold condor]

Rosalia would be a cool zone if they wanted to do it.

[pine epoch]

Fuck it. Rosalia of thavnair

[bold condor]

There's only one city on Thavnair.

It's a desert island, it's not easy to set up on.

[iron scaffold]

Gabranth is trying to build Outer Heaven Arcadia

[pine epoch]

John cena comes out of the wood works and says "are you sure about that"

[bold condor]

ye

It's also one of the oldest city-states. Probably older than the Fifth Astral Era.

[gaunt star]

It’s all according to urianger’s plan to destroy reality

[nocturne void]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-john-cena-ru-sure-about-dat-gif-14258954

[bold condor]

I'm constantly shocked when people don't wanna see Radz-at-Han even without the rest of Thavnair.

[nocturne void]

all I know about thavnair is that their onions are expensive

[bold condor]

Like, it's an alchemical wonderland run by noble houses with scantily-clad dancers and pleasure barges.

They have HOOKERS, Corn!

[torpid yoke]

Why wouldnt they though its like the most talked about yet not seen places yet next to garlemald

[nocturne void]

You mean DNCers

[bold condor]

Because it's a desert locale, I think.

[torpid yoke]

THAVNAIR IS WHERE APOCTHACARY COMES FROM CONFIRMED

[bold condor]

I mean, if it's like Kugane, we're just gonna visit the city and not like the island proper anyway but

Oh you mean as a new job. I was confused because I was like "yeah, Alchemist literally tells you its tradition comes from there."

[pine epoch]

When will FF14 get a cabaret mini game. And karaoke mini game

[bold condor]

I'd also like to see Corvos and Nhalmasque as zones.

[torpid yoke]

Yea sorry XD

[random ravine]

There's too many desert countries in this game...uldah, ala mhigo, Thavnair, bel'dah

[severe brook]

inb4 Galbadia is the name of a nation adjacent to Garlemald proper that was one of hte first conquered

[pine epoch]

and agreed rom corvos and nhalmasque

[bold condor]

...Two of those are the same place and one of those is not a desert.

[severe brook]

i mean Ala Mhigo's more a steppe than a desert

[torpid yoke]

We need more snow which is why we need to go to garlemald

[bold condor]

Gyr Abania is a goddamn mountain.

[nocturne void]

I hope I never have to go back to ala mhigo

[bold condor]

I mean, you had to go back like three times this patch so

[nocturne void]

I haven't done this patch

[bold condor]

And I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of O COME YE WAYWARD BROTHERS

[nocturne void]

BUT SHIT. I DON'T WANNA GO BACK

[severe brook]

BEREFT OF HEARTH AND HOME

[next oriole]

is it a coincidence that i keep thinking of that "water and water" meme for eden's promise

[bold condor]

BENEATH YON WAYWARD STAR THERE LIES A HAVEN FOR THE BOLD

[urban turret]

Tbh you know what I want as a zone but will literally never happen

[bold condor]

Hmm?

[urban turret]

Xelphatol. Like the full mountainous area

[severe brook]

RAISE UP YOUR HANDS AND VOICES okay I guess we're done now

[bold condor]

Oh yeah I'd like that tbh.

[severe brook]

i do think an Eorzea 2 expansion with some new zones for areas we know of but haven't been to would be cool

[nocturne void]

Ilberd did nothing wrong

[pine epoch]

Soken knows what's good "BEYOND MAJESTIC MOUNTAINS"

[urban turret]

Objectively untrue

[severe brook]

Ilberd did a decent number of things wrong

[olive beacon]

There are red chocobos in the Dravnian Forelands that I think have to do with BLU Mage.

[nocturne void]

He died, that was wrong

[lilac coral]

i hope they wrap up zenos by the end of shb

[torpid yoke]

why (Gonna regret this)

[bold condor]

I wouldn't mind a breather "return to Eorzea" expac for 8.0. Where we visit the Plains of Paglth'an, the Canyons of Xelphatol, the Trenches of Indigo Deep, the Heart of O'Ghomoro, the Farreach, and ||the Silvertear Chasm||.

[olive beacon]

these red ones do choco meteor

[lilac coral]

eh im just kinda over him but i also feel like things are up in the air in terms of the antagonists rn

anything could happen really

[severe brook]

My current guess is that Zenos will last until the end of 6.0, but not past that

[bold condor]

When I take a step back and examine it, Ilberd's less of a scumbag than most other villains, but that's also not high praise.

[urban turret]

Nah fuckim

[nocturne void]

If gaius children all die

[bold condor]

Like, we hate him more because he hurt us personally than because of the actual bad things he wanted to do.

[nocturne void]

does he lose the dilf title

[lilac coral]

fandaniel is cliche but i can see him being part of a deeper concept

[torpid yoke]

Zenos will be the villain till 6.3 where we beat him and then he becomes a wanderer until he meets gosetsu and they start a perssimon farm

[severe brook]

[lilac coral]

lol

[torpid yoke]

Picture by milly

[random ravine]

Ilberd was just a ala mhigan freedom fighter/militant/fanatic

Not really a villain

[bold condor]

I mean he was a villain.

oof. delete that.

He had good motives but he was still like "fuck my followers, kill them all and myself to summon this primal"

[urban turret]

BITCH KILLED TONS OF PEOPLE TO SUMMON A MURDER PRIMAL

[bold condor]

And the goal of the primal summoning was to destroy the evil empire, but the methods are clearly way overboard and ALMOST helped the Empire.

[gaunt star]

btw what is the void quest about ?

[urban turret]

Good stuff play it

[torpid yoke]

It's about the void

[maiden lodge]

and questing

[torpid yoke]

Bounty hunters

[calm rock]

And being suuuuuper sassy about answering questions

[bold condor]

hehhheheehe

[gaunt star]

er well I'm not doing ex fight anytime soon so I don't mind a being spoil about the quest line

[torpid yoke]

"ARE YOU RIGHT IN THE HEAD" NOPE

[calm rock]

"HAVE YOU NO COMMON SENSE!?"

Nope.
C'mon, just work your magic. Magicks? Whichever.

[bold condor]

Void Quest Requirements: All Role Quests, All Warring Triad Quests

[lilac coral]

btw, ive skipped most of the job quests besides ninja and drk (which was really good), do you guys know any other good ones that i should go back and watch

[torpid yoke]

And the deaths of ravanna and bismark ex

[urban turret]

You don’t need to do any remotely difficult extremes

[torpid yoke]

and unlock of the Triad ex's not their deaths

[calm rock]

You don't need to clear the EX quests. You just need to accept them to unlock the EX.

[gaunt star]

oh

[maiden lodge]

Well Ravana and Bismarck

[urban turret]

You need to do Ravana and Bismarck but they’re bitch easy even synced

[maiden lodge]

but those are easier than some normal modes

[calm rock]

Hell, you can solo those as a tank nowadays

[urban turret]

Then THEIR OWN normal modes

[torpid yoke]

I also like the options

We need an expert in spirit vessals.
I have absolutely no idea what i'm doing!

[calm rock]

In fact, tanks can solo all HW EX Primals now, given enough Echo on a few

[gaunt star]

is it as easy as when people are farming fist of the father savage for the light farm ?

[urban turret]

Easier

[calm rock]

RavEX and BisEX? They're pathetically easy

[nocturne void]

Sophie is a little annoying

[gaunt star]

oh maybe I do it then

[urban turret]

Legit they’re easier than their normals synced

[calm rock]

I solo'ed Zurvan on my WAR just before the patch dropped for fun. I did need 4 stacks of Echo, though, since failing all 8 Infinite Ice/Fire hurts like hell

Especially after the first set since you'll be holding 7 or 8 stacks of vuln up the rest of the fight

[gaunt star]

e12 final form looks really cool

[vale flower]

i cant believe you had it on hand omg ;_;

[nocturne void]

People save the best memes

[vale flower]

also quick question abt end of eden: ||is there any significance to mitron having a female goddess' name?||

[static niche]

||they traded sex :^)||

[nocturne void]

given that I don't think the ancients had sexes, I don't think so

[vale flower]

wait, they didn't? :0

[static niche]

how do they procreate then

[nocturne void]

they just were

Rommy, can you content lore on this

[pastel coyote]

But i want to use the CT for the voiiiiiid, pleaaaaaaase

[vale flower]

they did recognize different genders given that emet is always a he and azem is based on your character

[gaunt star]

some people say that mitron is a female during the old times

[gloomy tide]

It's pretty tragic what happened, but because of how fast the story moved, I just don't care enough.

[nocturne void]

It might just be a case of pronoun preference, but considering the ancients had the ability to reshape themselves and the world around them freely, I'm guessing sex had as much significance as fantasiaing into a different body

[gaunt star]

also so zenos switch job huh

[nocturne void]

I might be wrong tho

[severe brook]

I mean it also might be that the Reincarnations of Mitron and Loghrif have different genders than their original selves

[pastel coyote]

when a popa and a moma ancient love each other, they combine their aether

[forest magnet]

aether is stored in the balls

[gaunt star]

btw is there any post msq quest ?

[forest magnet]

apart from rolequests no

[warped glen]

I'm just casually enjoying new MSQ and then suddenly this happens

[vale flower]

oh my god

cursed

[severe brook]

Bald! Bald! Bald!

[vale flower]

baldphinaud

[gaunt star]

I guess Werlyt have one post quest but oh damn that storyline is going to end badly huh

[pastel coyote]

well half the patch if not more did end up baldly

[torpid yoke]

not necessarily he just just be getting another sword. He wasnt a particular job anyways

[maiden lodge]

No, given it is also a male name in modern day greece.

There are multiple layers to the meaning of Artemis but the gender of the goddess doesn't seem to matter.

[vale flower]

oo, i had no idea artemis was a male name in modern day!

[maiden lodge]

Yeah

[torpid yoke]

(plus names themselves are genderless anyways)

[maiden lodge]

(depends on what language you're speaking)

[torpid yoke]

I guess

[vale flower]

yeah, my language doesnt rly have genderless names

[calm rock]

Name and gender association changes over time quite a bit, anyway. Changes in popularity, etc.

[bold condor]

The ancients had sexes.

Hades, for example, was a white-haired man.

[forest magnet]

is man referring to gender or sex, though?

[bold condor]

Doesn't matter, they had them regardless of Hades's gender identity. They procreated and made children.

They were human, after all.

[worn forge]

that alphi photo got me thinking about the emerald story

burn out the bald👏
burn out the bald 👏

[torpid yoke]

Nah rommy they just rolled some clay into a mold and put spirit juice in it to make a kid Kappa

[forest magnet]

burn out the bald 👏

[bold condor]

bald

[torpid yoke]

BALD

[scenic lichen]

Go bald or go home

[forest magnet]

bald fraud

[gaunt star]

bald

[bold condor]

i wanna rub his head for luck

[torpid yoke]

Thats rude

[maiden lodge]

Sorrows of Werlyt in a nutshell:

'There is nothing VvV can do to make me hate him more.'
VvV: 'Hold my milk'

[torpid yoke]

also i just realized i think they gave Rhitat tat tat the lyon hairstyle without the headband XD though im not well versed in the hairs since i've used a singular one for years

[vale flower]

VvV looks like an UwU-type emote

[torpid yoke]

i need anogg's hair style QuQ

[bold condor]

VvV what's dis?

noticed ur Weapon VvV

[torpid yoke]

stop this XD

[bold condor]

i want some milkies VvV 🥛

[lavish birch]

anyone know what the sweep emote is from, saw konogg use it but it wasnt from that quest ;-;

[maiden lodge]

burny out the baddy waddy VvV

[gaunt star]

nah just have gaius storm into his office and have both of them fight

[severe brook]

Valens takes over Garlemald and replaces the <<>> symbol with VvV

[vale flower]

'fight' :)

[bold condor]

buwn out da bads VvV

[gaunt star]

they must fight for them milk

[bold condor]

OvO

[maiden lodge]

'But, sir, you promised you'd spare his family?'
VvV UWUWUWUWWUWUWUWUWuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuw!

[bold condor]

i must wecowd dese findings! AmA

[severe brook]

maybe Diamond Weapon bringing about the end of all things isn't so bad after all.

[gaunt star]

for some reason I just want Werlyt to be a zone in 6.0 after this patch story

[bold condor]

Who the fuck chose this man's face and hair to make him look like that shithole priest but with worse hair

Do we need to make a watchlist about child endangerment for anyone using this face?

Because two may not be a lot of times, but it's weird that it's more than once.

[maiden lodge]

I mean, Rom

[forest magnet]

what is that screenshot from

[maiden lodge]

I have a picture from VvV's youth

[serene crest]

3.1

That’s the guy that tries to throw that kid off the top of the Vault

[coarse pond]

Cliffhanger Rewritten

[pine epoch]

I like that old mans face is reused for Valens van varro. (My phone wanted to auto correct van to cam)

[coarse pond]

🙄

[bold condor]

Valens can Varro.

[severe brook]

as a treat

[pine epoch]

Sooooo

Whose ready to drakengard in tier 3 of yorha. As ||new quest apparently seed of destruction. :3 or atleast an approximation by the machines.||

[glacial turret]

Anyone reached 2nd phase of e12s yet

[pine epoch]

Yes

[maiden lodge]

Yes.

[glacial turret]

Anyone got pics/vid?

[maiden lodge]

http://www.twitch.tv/fionnabeoulve?sr=a

[glacial turret]

Ty

[severe brook]

we kind of already had some Drakengard with ||The Compound being apparently another iteration of the Red Eye Legion||

[pine epoch]

https://streamable.com/909rk9

[glacial turret]

Wow the song

[severe brook]

a classic

[gaunt star]

for some reason e12 song remind me of ost from god eater

[torpid yoke]

It reminds me more of ko-shi

[severe brook]

looks like the Goliath Spheres, works like the ||Seeds||

[spiral wagon]

the damn scene in the trailer was from the savage content???

[torpid yoke]

Logic virus always comes back

[spiral wagon]

bruh

[gaunt star]

[torpid yoke]

Anyone here choose anoggs path after copied factory?

[worn forge]

I went with the sensible dwarf, whatever their name was

[torpid yoke]

What color were they

[forest magnet]

Me when the magitek terminals break: "Can't you like....pause the computation?"

[worn forge]

uhhhhh black I think

[torpid yoke]

Damb

[forest magnet]

path doesn't matter

apart from some flavor text

[torpid yoke]

They could but graha said not to

[warm trench]

Sooo is fandaniel the Ascian equivalent of a guy that posts Joker memes on twitter ?

[forest magnet]

basically

[bold condor]

YES.

[forest magnet]

Yeah that's what I don't get lol. Just let the computation stop for a bit or slow it down so it cools off. Like you're in no urgent rush

[bold condor]

Except he has a kind of valid reason to post those memes.

[torpid yoke]

would start over maybe

[forest magnet]

are u saying that most ppl don't have valid reason to post memes

[bold condor]

Joker memes, no, I wanna fucking die memes, yes.

[warm trench]

Does he though? I'm just saying I'm half expecting his super form (cause he'll likely have one) to have a fedora

[torpid yoke]

So you're sure if you chose anoggs path konogg wouldn't be the one missing after bunker?

[polar star]

Is it wrong that I'm laughing my ass off at the Fandaniel scene?

[bold condor]

You should be, he's trying to.

Anyway, they took his memories of his past life away because they were worthless to them and tried to shove someone else's old memories into him.

[warm trench]

I kinda hope he doesn't become likeable later on, I want a villain I can feel 100% good about killing for once, no pity or nothin

[bold condor]

He's basically got no one and nothing of value to him and has been spending countless years just murdering people to make his leaders happy.

[torpid yoke]

Valens

[bold condor]

And, really, when that's all your life is, just killing people en masse, what else can you do but want to kill more people?

[cedar wadi]

Valens is cray cray too

[pastel coyote]

Don't put it thing like this Rommy or i could think he's a role model

[bold condor]

Ascians basically created a cycle. The Final Days made them what they are, they tried desperately to change the course of the world to suit themselves by killing and controlling people, and then the moment they're no longer in command the very things THEY created try to recreate the Final Days.

[cedar wadi]

Zenos seems the least crazy of all the villains rn and I don’t know how to feel about it

[bold condor]

Zenos just vibing.

[warm trench]

Zenos is a combat yandere

[bold condor]

When he gets in a room with us again, he's gonna go full ham.

[pastel coyote]

Zenos is bored

[warm trench]

"would you fight me? I'd fight me, I'd fight me so hard"

[cedar wadi]

Valens and Fandaniel are hammier

[bold condor]

Zenos needs to learn to enjoy the act of killing by itself, not just the struggle associated with it.

Or he could get a hobby. Golf, maybe?

[cedar wadi]

He already has a hobby

[warm trench]

Some people enjoy the fight not the kill

It's about the journey, not the destination

[bold condor]

He's a connoisseur.

[gaunt star]

lets goo

[cedar wadi]

His hobby got whooshed away to another world

His hobby is you

[warm trench]

Next season of You on Netflix but with Zenos

[bold condor]

Shadowbringers in a nutshell

[gaunt star]

e10s confirmed easier than e9s

[pastel coyote]

i wouldn't even be surprised if we could control him with "ok look, we're gonna clone your body and fight to death 1 time each week, once i kill you you can grab an other body"

[cedar wadi]

My party mass abandoned E10

🥺

[bold condor]

[cedar wadi]

E10 is bananas

[bold condor]

That one is so fucken annoying I hate the Shadowkeeper.

[pastel coyote]

i didn't have the ilvl for emerald EX

[warm trench]

So what's the deal with Rynes dad(s)? They got smushed together Fullmetal Alchemist style

[cedar wadi]

You mean edgy behemoth?

[torpid yoke]

Its easy once you understand it

[forest magnet]

what's the deal with shadowkeeper anyways
mitron is like "how do u know cylva"
and then he's like "we were shadowkeeper gaia"

[urban turret]

No they said they were THERE

Not that they were Cylva

[torpid yoke]

It is kinda unexpected for someone not of that world to know the person

[urban turret]

Also like basically NO ONE knows it was Cylva

[forest magnet]

No I meant that Mitron referred to Cylva as shadowkeeper, then goes and says that he and Gaia were shadowkeeper

[gentle heron]

Now that I think about it... What did the unsundered plan to do with their sundered brethren after all the rejoinings have been completed? Were they too supposed to be sacrificed in order to bring the "real deal" back along with all the other sundered?

[urban turret]

Yes

[dim sigil]

I think it's implied all three of them fused to become the shadow keeper?

[viscid monolith]

Yes

[bold condor]

They were with Cylva. They fused to fight Ardbert, that's why the thing had three heads.

[gentle heron]

Guess that explains why sundered Fandaniel wasn't such a big fan of his own kind then

[bold condor]

Cylva survived, Lohgrif died, Mitron became Eden.

[forest magnet]

Ah, okay. From the Cylva role quest I just thought that they beat Cylva, spared her, then they went on to kill Loghrif/Mitron

[dim sigil]

the role quest's didn't exactly imply that they fought a giant monster form they made it pretty clear she was their final boss essentially but

wolf it is

[urban turret]

I thought it was just they watched

[pastel coyote]

well eden writting is kinda messy

[viscid monolith]

Guess it didn't show everything

[urban turret]

It didn’t say they WERE shadowkeeper I don’t think?

[pastel coyote]

as if a teenager who read too much shojo was behind it

[viscid monolith]

What is shojo

[gentle heron]

I probably skipped over some details that explains this, but how in the seven hells did the "blade of light" that Ardbert struck Mitron with manage to fuse him with Eden?

[pastel coyote]

To put it badly it's a "girly" manga

[nocturne void]

it's manga for girls

[torpid yoke]

It turned him into eden

[dim sigil]

From what I gather he is Eden

[torpid yoke]

Mitron is the first sin eater

[dim sigil]

And I guess all the ability power they have to make primals comes from his Limitless energy

[gentle heron]

[dim sigil]

First of beasts makes it imply that I get the feeling these are going to be the light wardens of 6.0 essentially in terms of dungeons

[pine epoch]

Ye.

Tho it's weird this lunar bahamut is the first beast

[dim sigil]

and this telophi thing

I guess that's the name of a group is probably more of them probably more

[pine epoch]

In the book of daniel there are 4 beast. A bird man, some kind of lion. Forgot the 3rd and the last beast is described as a dragon with 11 horns. The 11th horn uprooting 3 other horns

[nocturne void]

Just name a group, but have the group only be you.

[pastel coyote]

well the "popular" theory around there is that the group existed before the sundering and could be the root of the final day

[dim sigil]

I want there to be a line or something like that where they say you really think the old world was such a Utopia given that you just viewed it through some rose tinted unsundered eyes

[torpid yoke]

Makes sense to me if it was made near eorzea. Everyone there probably fears bahamut

[dim sigil]

Zenos gonna be poster boy for new job also im sure

[topaz dune]

"Injure my friend and you are my next easy prey"-Zenos

[torpid yoke]

I don't think he will.

[topaz dune]

then again the last cutscene did show some slight differentiations to what some people said about zenos and fandy have different goals for us

[viscid monolith]

What makes you think Zenos will be the new job

[dim sigil]

The whole new weapon thing

[pastel coyote]

Zenos as chemist

[nocturne void]

Black rose

[dim sigil]

I think they could easily give him a weapon and it doesn't have to be tied into whatever lore story there is going to be about that job

But there's probably more double meaning to a new weapon then just the bass implication

[nocturne void]

I swear to god.

If one more person undercuts me by a single gil, I will drop my price by 100k

[worn forge]

burn it all down

[nocturne void]

just for spite

[ripe flint]

That's what I'd do.

If I can't have good gil, NO ONE CAN.

[mighty light]

I only sell for multiples of 100 gil

[nocturne void]

I drop it by how annoyed I am

which is a lot

[maiden lodge]

Shadowkeeper's just Mirror Mirror the fight, which... I suppose doesn't say that much if one hasn't done savage.

[vale flower]

he shouldve repped dancer >:(

[rain onyx]

drastically undercuts all my Zurvan weapons to 500k

[mighty light]

Still used to RS3 where if something is selling you generally want to set its price to the guide amount, then up it by 5% and reduce it by 100

[torpid yoke]

The floor shadow points to which way the boss is gonna face

[maiden lodge]

Basically, he turns his ass to the shadow, yeah

[torpid yoke]

Inb4 beast master

[worn forge]

Zurvan weapons were a pleasant surprise

[bold condor]

Rommy brain is small.

[maiden lodge]

For the cup game, I stand on the first tethered shadow. He'll jump five times. Let me solve this.

[worn forge]

buddy of mine has had carapaces stacked and ready since 4.1

[bold condor]

Struggles to understand mirrors.

[torpid yoke]

When it comes to gameplay maybe but for lore and big words its big

[maiden lodge]

Let's say he's hiphopping clockwise. Start on the first tether, then see how many times he hops -backwards.- He hops five times. If he hops five times in the same direction, that means the one you hide behind will be to your right. if hops four times then back once, the safe one is the starting one. If he hops three times then back twice, the safe one is the one on your left.

Reverse direction if he starts counterclockwise.

[gaunt star]

can normal mode reverse at any time

[rain onyx]

I think I’ve only seen it reverse on the last one

[gaunt star]

savage only reverses on the last one

[maiden lodge]

Normal mod cupgame can reverse, but I've only seen it reverse once.

[gaunt star]

so you only actually have to look at the last hop

[torpid yoke]

Its random in normal

[gaunt star]

Another nm mechanic that's harder than savage

[subtle pasture]

I missed the transition but people working on E12S P2 I see orz

[rain onyx]

I’ve only run E10n twice so I don’t have concrete data

[maiden lodge]

Another way is to just count the hops. '1 2 3 4 3'

[rain onyx]

There’s a YT video of the transition up

[gaunt star]

The stream we have is getting her to about 1/3rd hp

But there's a super mechanic vomit thing they're trying to prog

[nocturne void]

My goal for patch was making 20 million. After that, I am going to burn the market

[serene crest]

Also at least E10 used normal directions instead of obscure out of use nautical words

[nocturne void]

Larstern wave

BowStar wave

[gaunt star]

tbh I think Koji's defense that Larboard starts with L is fine

But I'm also a nerd who read larboard wave cannon and did it right on the first try

[nocturne void]

The direction doesn't confuse me. The fact that I can't tell omega's ass from his face does

[gaunt star]

And the vaguely nautical theme is cool

play melee then, you'll always be keeping track of the asscorners

[worn forge]

thats what the target circle is for

[faint dagger]

target circle is like road markings

perfectly understandable til someone sits on them and then god knows

[maiden lodge]

In savage you don't get the directions.

Also the similarity of terms is an intentional difficulty point in O10S, as it exists in every language including the Japanese.

[pastel coyote]

rommy is like gobbi, weak with weapon but strong with word

[nocturne void]

I miss roundrox

the best gobbie

[pastel coyote]

what about brayflox ? Slowfix ?

[nocturne void]

no

Roundrox

[brazen stag]

Now that we've seen emerald, anyone taking bets on what oversoul/s Diamond Weapon will be? Kwek

[viscid monolith]

Super Mechanic Vomit? Like Ultimate tier mechanic vomit?

[pastel coyote]

..... we know

[nocturne void]

it's ||zenos||

Really though, it should be ||You||

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, quest flat out says who they plan to make the "ultimate oversoul"

[viscid monolith]

Starboard and Larboard is better than E8S and it's stupid meaningless names.

What the fuck does Twin Stillness tell me about thie order? Fucking nothing.

[gaunt star]

It's hard to say cuz idk how anything even works and stuff can always look flashier than it is but the mechanics vomit seems pretty hard yeah

[brazen stag]

Nah it's gotta be ||Grynewaht||

[gaunt star]

ppl runnin around with 4 debuffs

[viscid monolith]

They didn't even give physical tell. Literally just memorize the name and what it does.

E8S is a trash fight fuck anyone who says otherwise.

[maiden lodge]

They do, in Normal.

[viscid monolith]

I'm talking about E8

[rough geyser]

Matoya Relic water bosss...how do I first water splash with trusts??

[maiden lodge]

Like I get your complaint I hate stillness/silence too but the mechanic is identical in normal as it is in savage, and yes, normal IS a learning tool for savage.

[brazen stag]

So if they're planning to make an ultimate oversoul will it just take all the ones we have already seen and do all of them or will it be someone in particular who summons images of the others and uses their moves?

[pastel coyote]

e12 was hard for me cause i didn't remember the other trial

[viscid monolith]

Doesn't matter. It's a cheap mechanic.

[nocturne void]

?

[maiden lodge]

I mean, it's not as cheap as Delta Attack in E1S by that definition

[gaunt star]

tbf the primal mechs in e12 aren't exactly obvious

[nocturne void]

The game literally uses normal mechanics without orange puddles so frequently that it's possible to prog mechanics first try

[viscid monolith]

Either the attack name needs to be a tell or the boss' stance needs to be a tell. Doing neither in the pinnacle artificial difficulty.

[maiden lodge]

Or they need to introduce the mechanic with a tell.

[viscid monolith]

Yes I was complaining about that yesterday

[maiden lodge]

Which they do--in Normal. It's the same mechanic.

[nocturne void]

Which they do. In normal

[gaunt star]

Suffer

[pastel coyote]

but emerald (normal) was easy thank to all the bozja CE i did

[nocturne void]

The E12 mechanics are not knowable outside of a few, but they are forgiving at least at first

[maiden lodge]

E12 normal also has tells

[gaunt star]

[warm trench]

So gaia digivolves into.... a bigger gaia that's an Ascian ?

[maiden lodge]

'Here's mechanic one.' 'Here's mechanic two.' 'Here's mechanic three.' 'Here's four.' 'Here's one and three together.' 'Here's one and three, saved up for later'

[nocturne void]

Which is how mechanics are usually introduced. Either you can live through getting them wrong, or they're reuses of a previous mechanic from another fight.

[gaunt star]

[bold condor]

beeg gaya

[warm trench]

Except she was sundered so Mitron was a shard of hers ?

[maiden lodge]

The only parts that aren't previewed in the fight itself are Earthen Fury (you do remember E4 right) and Diamond Dust (you remember Shiva?)

[bold condor]

No, no, no, no,

[nocturne void]

Gaia, form of bigger gaia

[bold condor]

Mitron is a different person entirely.

[maiden lodge]

Promise of Eden isn't Mitron.

[torpid yoke]

You don't have the memory chip on your armor

[bold condor]

Except when they fused into Ascian Prime and Eden's Promise.

[maiden lodge]

It isn't gaia. It's Ascian Prime--made up of Mitron and Loghrif fused together.

[nocturne void]

I dunno, I made a lot of exarchic equipment, I could be selling shit to the empire

[maiden lodge]

The transition in E12S is the Mitron part dying, leaving Lohgrif alone.

[bold condor]

Gaia was the Ancient who held the seat of Lohgrif during the Final Days. She and Artemis, the holder of the seat of Mitron, were lovers.

[nocturne void]

I'd do it to.

[bold condor]

When they were reborn in the sundered world, Mitron's reincarnation was turned into an Ascian, and Lohgrif's after him.

The two of them tried to prepare the Rejoining of the First, but Lohgrif was killed by Ardbert and his companions. Mitron, however, became Eden.

[warm trench]

Well shit
E12(Feels)

[bold condor]

When Lohgrif was again reincarnated nearly a century later in Eulmore, Mitron began tampering with her memories by using their connection.

[viscid monolith]

I see I see

[bold condor]

That's the Gaia we know.

[viscid monolith]

Wait what

[maiden lodge]

Mitron was tampering

[bold condor]

AAAAAAA

[viscid monolith]

Oh ok

[maiden lodge]

Basically, Mitron was mindless, you know, as sineaters are

And when Minfillia put Eden dormant, part of that awoke a part of Mitron that was still in there.

[viscid monolith]

But why did the blade of light turn him into a Sin Eater?

[gentle heron]

Eden's Promise storyline in a nutshell: Local simp gets very obsessed with regaining what used to be his girlfriend

[bold condor]

Too much Light in the First.

[gentle heron]

[warm trench]

Damn simps ruining everything

[maiden lodge]

Basically, yeah--yeet too much aether into a soul, have no way to bleed it off, you risk corruption