#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
slim egret
unreal wadi
Gives everyone a personality
maiden lodge
Indeed
unreal wadi
& background
maiden lodge
I actually like how they keep showing up in fates, so you kinda do get attached to them
slim egret
When would 6.0 come out due to the delays?
unreal wadi
Like I wouldnt have known Albeldo was from Uldah
slim egret
Isn't it usually July
maiden lodge
I liked seeing the Blades show up and kicking ass with us--it really made the moment they got tempered really HIT. They haven't really played the card of making us care for a character and then tempering them before, and I think that gives the story extra weight, and puts a new spin on the threat of tempering and the urgency of finding a cure.
unreal wadi
Yeah
Definitely
Also for a moment, thought there would have been a death card for Mikoto
slim egret
Still could happen in the future
maiden lodge
not gonna lie
Misija's kinda replaced Ilberd in my 'I cannot wait to end this person's whole career' list
unreal wadi
SAMEEEE
maiden lodge
I haven't wanted a go since Ilberd.
unreal wadi
slim egret
I've been starting to doubt that SE likes to kill off super important good characters
It kinda ruins some story for me
But still a good story
slim egret
But he didn't in some weird way
unreal wadi
Because Urianger got there in time
next quarry
Ah yeah they mentioned Noah after CLL when Lyon was talking to mr elezen
slim egret
Y'shtola should've died like 10000 times in shadowbringers
open verge
I don’t need them to kill characters off
Well yshtola doesn’t count
Her entire purpose is to die but not die
She does it every expansion
drowsy ivy
Whats the fast way of doing the dungeon requirement for the relic? Antitower with blu?
unreal wadi
Misija is like Ilberd
maiden lodge
I care that they make a character death meaningful, not merely fridge them for the sake of 'the drama'
unreal wadi
oppressed @maiden lodge
slim egret
I mean I dont really care for it, just takes the urgency of some situations away from the story if no one dies
unreal wadi
open verge
Idk man
maiden lodge
Whats the fast way of doing the dungeon requirement for the relic? Antitower with blu?
@drowsy ivy
AoE chain mobs with friends in Bozja. LIterally any mob.
slim egret
I didn't cry for the exarch cause I knew we'd bring him back but I cried at seto
Man that scene was sad ;(
maiden lodge
You can't beat solo Bozja AoE rush with HW dungeons so asking 'which is the fastest' is moot, it's only about how to maximize kills in Bozja
drowsy ivy
So I can go back to Cluster farming? Do I have to be on the job matching the weapon I want?
grand parcel
okay, so basically save the queen has the aether of queen gunnhildr in it, and gunnhildr was able to use it to practically become a goddess, but when she died, her aether was absorbed it and Misija altered the memories of Gunnhildr in the blade to try and alter her opinion so that she could trigger the blade itself and summon a primal of gunnhildr? that what I'm gettin' at?
unreal wadi
Yep
open verge
@drowsy ivy nope
maiden lodge
You do not, Raging, and you can get more than the 6 you need.
drowsy ivy
based thanks lads
maiden lodge
In fact, start your next relic so you'll get those as well
open verge
That’s the best part
unreal wadi
@grand parcel You've somewhat got most of it
open verge
You can do multiple relics
grand parcel
what'd i get wrong
slim egret
Have one relic quest up for one weapon
maiden lodge
okay, so basically save the queen has the aether of queen gunnhildr in it, and gunnhildr was able to use it to practically become a goddess, but when she died, her aether was absorbed it and Misija altered the memories of Gunnhildr in the blade to try and alter her opinion so that she could trigger the blade itself and summon a primal of gunnhildr? that what I'm gettin' at?
@grand parcel
Basically, yes. Misija brainwashed the blade.
unreal wadi
So Bozjan Resistance is kinda fucked
maiden lodge
Indeed--then you have multiple farms going in the same party, everyone's getting extra drops
unreal wadi
but we have lente's tears & the nagxians supposeably coming
slim egret
They should hurry up and make more story for bozja
unreal wadi
Fran
slim egret
unreal wadi
Fran's group
open verge
5.45 is in January right 
unreal wadi
from Rabanastre
open verge
Far East is helping out right?
slim egret
When was the first relic step, like March? Lmao
maiden lodge
Already
open verge
Was the eureka story good?
maiden lodge
Like, not even controversial
open verge
I never done it lmao
slim egret
Then all the delays happened 
maiden lodge
Eureka story was... there.
unreal wadi
no relevance
maiden lodge
Until Hydatos
unreal wadi
with relic
maiden lodge
Bozja though
slim egret
The writer of the story for bozja is really good
open verge
Especially after doing the castrum itself
unreal wadi
It was, yeah
maiden lodge
Yeah
open verge
Man what a reward
maiden lodge
Bozja is worth doing for the story
open verge
Ye and that’s a first
next quarry
I honestly really like BSF itself too
wind bough
Bozja's written by Matsuno
next quarry
The middle area and the ruined areas
unreal wadi
Its more of a continuation of Return to Ivalice
open verge
I thought bozja was ugly but
maiden lodge
Yeah, Matsuno's kinda good
unreal wadi
in a sense
open verge
I actually like it
slim egret
I think all the ff12/tactics content in ff14 is super good lol. The alliance raids story were good too
hexed mango
Bozjan resistance be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHkj-b8Qk3M
open verge
I really didn’t understand shit
slim egret
So is eorzea in the same world as ff12?
subtle pasture
Tl;dr Inception
open verge
So is there no saving the enthralled?
slim egret
I haven't really played ff12
subtle pasture
next quarry
No
hexed mango
liberate Bosnia
next quarry
Lots of FF12 stuff is in XIV world more as a callback
wind bough
@slim egret no.
open verge
My thing with bozja is that
maiden lodge
Also someone in here
"I hope they bring in Esper Battle"
Castrum:
next quarry
Like Crystal Tower isn't the same as the one in FF3
open verge
The story of the latest bozja wasn’t even that deep
slim egret
Ahh I see, makes sense
open verge
It was kinda basic but executed really well
wind bough
It's a unique version of the places and characters from FF Tactics and FFXII, remade as versions for this world.
subtle pasture
Honestly the most world-shattering piece of lore is still ||Nerva's parentage||
maiden lodge
I mean no, Bozja's story is really simple
subtle pasture
but MSQ was leading up to it, I'm sure
wind bough
Matsuno tweeted calling people dumb for thinking it was in the same universe 
slim egret
I was just curious cause of gabranth and Fran being characters from past games
maiden lodge
It's very simple, and well structured, and executed well
open verge
@subtle pasture what’s that?
wind bough
lots of characters in FFXIV are "characters from past games"
subtle pasture
Nerva is the Legatus of the Third Legion and is a participant in the civil war, he was named at the end of 5.1 when we see Garlemald in turmoil
maiden lodge
It's a final fantasy thing to pull in previous references with new twists
open verge
Ohh
subtle pasture
||His father is Titus, Varis' uncle and Zenos' great uncle||
slim egret
Ff14 is really a final fantasy theme park
open verge
P much
maiden lodge
Kinda like how ff9 is
severe brook
||6.0 is just going to be Zenos vs. Nerva's Cousin Rivalry||
slim egret
I want them to add competitive blitzball
open verge
Would Zenos even be interested in nerva
subtle pasture
||So therefore his full name is Nerva yae Galvus||
severe brook
well zenos wouldn't care about nerva at all
but nerva probably still wants the throne
subtle pasture
Titus was against Imperial expansion which so happens to be the Populares' main platform,
but the two have not be connected, yet.
maiden lodge
Yeah, we might actually end up supporting Nerva in order to bring peace.
slim egret
6.0 is gonna be really interesting
open verge
So gabranth wants to get the fuck away from Garlemald because he knows it’s collapsing??
open verge
That’s dope
maiden lodge
Gabranth really wants to make his own nation
severe brook
i mean he was part of a different nation once
maiden lodge
He's not really that loyal to the empire--he's been biding his time for this kind of opportunity
subtle pasture
His dad was a sell-out, but he seems certainly worse than Basch
open verge
So he’s after Dalmasca and bozja?
slim egret
I feel like tencliff is gonna be a major area
maiden lodge
Building his own legion of 'outcasts' etc
subtle pasture
He wants Dalmasca to be the center of his new nation
slim egret
No way they made a detailed area like tencliff just as a one off thing
random anvil
I wanna fight a big fat Cuchulain !
subtle pasture
Bozja gave him the means to secure his new nation: Save the Queen,
random anvil
open verge
Because they have fates there
subtle pasture
but, um, w-we know how primals go, so...
open verge
Ok so did they confirm what save the queen was?
next quarry
I didn't pay attention to it, but what happened to Basch
open verge
Before this patch of course
maiden lodge
Save the Queen is the sword
next quarry
Did they say?
sterile moat
damn, 4 bitter memories out of 30mins of solo farming
maiden lodge
Also, The Lady of Blades is also the sword
open verge
I thought we were actually saving the queen till the patch showed it was a weapon
subtle pasture
Dramaturge named that the last Gunnhildr and Save the Queen merged into a "goddess" in 5.3, technically.
sterile moat
this isn't as bad as people think
slim egret
@sterile moat what route do u use?
maiden lodge
I hit all 6 in 40 doing screamers my first time, but clusters are damn good too
sterile moat
@sterile moat what route do u use?
@slim egret farming chocobos for awakening
pulling 4 at a time
severe brook
interestingly, we've had other instances of primals also being weapons 
subtle pasture
Yeah, Lady of Blades is specifically Save the Queen,
open verge
Solo?
subtle pasture
Bc it is a damn exquisite weapon
next quarry
The thing about Odin, ||is that it was made by Eureka iirc||
maiden lodge
(as far as we know)
subtle pasture
It's both, really. Gunnhildr is the Ysayle in this formula
severe brook
i'd kind of compare it to a lucavi, almost
subtle pasture
yeah, nah. yep. 
severe brook
like the lady of blades is like a mix of the summoner's desires and the power of Save the Queen
next quarry
So they summoned Ysayle?
maiden lodge
But Gunnhildr-the-present is a primal of the more classic sort
severe brook
yeah the present one is almost "extracted"
maiden lodge
No, the Lady of Blades IS Save the Queen. They're two different names for the same thing
subtle pasture
It's like,
severe brook
though probably still connected to the blade
subtle pasture
Inception meets uhh
severe brook
maybe projected is a better term than extracted
maiden lodge
Save The Queen, is the 'lady' of Blades.
subtle pasture
what's the term for the "science" in assassin's creed
open verge
I hope she gets a new form
subtle pasture
ancestral memory?
severe brook
genetic memory i think
subtle pasture
Yeah, that's the one.
maiden lodge
Blades in this being literal
open verge
Imagine if we just fight a roe with a crown next patch
subtle pasture
The memory imprinted on the sword was incepted
severe brook
well
subtle pasture
er, got incepted
subtle pasture
So yeah, closer to a lucavi
So she's... a lucavi-primal hybrid,
holy shit
well not a hybrid
slim egret
Where u guys think the raid will take place in 4.45?
maiden lodge
No, she's not at all like a Lucavi
slim egret
*5.45
maiden lodge
She's not a demon-like transformation used from harnessing Auracite
subtle pasture
the basis of the summoning was a mnemonic inprint on the blade, as a lucavi is rooted from an imprint on a piece of auracite
severe brook
^
maiden lodge
Yeah but a lucavi is a transformation of someone using Auracite, similar to that done in the 13th.
She's literally just a fuckin primal
subtle pasture
Fair, fair, true
severe brook
susano also used a sword as a material
maiden lodge
Right but Susano isn't lucavi-like
severe brook
maybe primals just like swords
maiden lodge
Plus lucavis are not really concept magics like primals are
subtle pasture
I imagined it sorta like...
maiden lodge
Changing memory changes a concept
subtle pasture
Misija awokee the imprint on the blade, which then summoned Save the Queen, in order to avoid herself as the vessel or the wielder
...then again, she's probably Resonant now
maiden lodge
The blade didn't summon save the queen
The blade IS Save the Queen
The blade IS the Lady of Blades
The blade was used to summon Gunnhildr.
subtle pasture
Aye, I mean the enemy stand the avatar of-- yeah
severe brook
okay i think i understand this better now
subtle pasture
I'm not overthinking it, they state all three are the primal
namely, Save the Queen as the primal's name
severe brook
the Lady of Blades that Misija's summoned is drawing from the sword
maiden lodge
I distinctly remember that being called Gunnhildr.
I also distinctly remember the sword being called both Save the Queen and the Lady of Blade.s
subtle pasture
they do do both, I'm pretty sure
sterile moat
fucking dead instances while waiting for castrum
severe brook
instead of like being exactly the same being that the shrine maiden became
right?
or have i misunderstood again
subtle pasture
Lady of Blades is a moniker for Save the Queen, Gunnhildr is the queen's title, the primal is referred to as both,
...StQ and Gunn, that is, Lady of Blades is a moniker, still
maiden lodge
I'll have to go over the field notes again because I literally do not remember the -primal- being referred to as anything other than just Gunnhildr.
severe brook
see i thought that the OG Shrine Maiden became the Lady of Blades by stabbing herself with Save the Queen
which i compared to a Lucavi
because it was like using an aether-dense object with a distinct power/identity, and one's own desires, to take on an altered form
maiden lodge
The sword is called Lady of Blades when Missy first is handed it by the elezen jerk
subtle pasture
The sword itself is known as the Lady of Blades, bc it's an incredibly powerful sword,
maiden lodge
Yeah like 'This is the King of Beers'
'This is the Emperor of Cars'
'This is the Lady of Blades'
severe brook
imagine getting into a cadillac and becoming a cadillac god
maiden lodge
I am now.
subtle pasture
We first heard lady of blades from Gabranth, and I'm sure we're suppose to expect it to be a person or Gunnhildr herself,
then Menenius refers to the blade itself as the Lady
severe brook
well the Lady is "inside" the sword at that time
and is part of it
so the sword "Save the Queen" functionally is the Lady of Blades
but now we have a Primal Lady of Blades that Misija can summon and control, separate from the sword
subtle pasture
It's still a title, not quite the name. Honorary, hence the capitalization
severe brook
well yes
subtle pasture
Like Lady of Frost, Lady of the Vortex
sterile moat
severe brook
well yeah that's the name of the queen
but i think that predates them getting Save the Queen from the Allagans
unless maybe getting Save the Queen made OG Gunnhildr powerful enough to unite them
depends on the timeline
subtle pasture
severe brook
the long game
maiden lodge
Ah, okay, thank you
And damn
It makes sense though
'Hey, can you go ahead and research ancient religious blessings in order to make holy weapons?' like, the second religion is involved in FF14, and faith, gotta start being skeptical
Specifically in the 'let's get power' sense
subtle pasture
I'm pretty certain they name it as both various times, though, but it makes sense the identity of "Gunnhildr" is now woven to "Save the Queen" as the "Lady(/ies) of Blades"
subtle pasture
I'd need to go back over Misija's talk with Mikoto, to see what they name it there
severe brook
ironically now i'm confused
since that refers to the primal as save the queen
and not lady of blades
maiden lodge
No I get it
severe brook
like the contentious part was if the sword was still called Lady of Blades
maiden lodge
I understand now, the primal and the sword have the same name
And it may in fact be true the sword IS a Eureka primal
severe brook
i mean i could see it being both
severe brook
you'd have the original primal nature
and then the last Lady of Blades' memories imprinted on it
so it is a little bit like a lucavi-auracite now, since it has the "encoded" memories shaping its power
sterile moat
basically who becomes the queen becomes gunhildr
it's basically a title for the queen
severe brook
the dutchman must have a captain the bozja must have a gunnhildr
maiden lodge
Ahhh
subtle pasture
Else, Lady of Blades is still Save the Queen, since both uses of it are in reference to the sword, Gunnhildr is not the Lady
I still read the actual summoning scene as the imprint/soul on the blade invoked it/itself, but all-in-all the point is that Misija controls it currently
Mikoto gib another auracite lore dump to help clarify
severe brook
bring Mikoto into the Weapons storyline to compare synthetic auracite and Ultima's home-grown organic auracite
subtle pasture
Me back in 5.0: "Ugh I wish GNB LB3 was named "Save the Queen" Gunmetal Soul is so lame"
Me as Bozja unfolds: 
midnight nymph
fr 
iron scaffold
This is the third primal that's in a sword.
sterile moat
it is a japanese game
severe brook
there's even more if we include all primals in weapons
in 6.0 we'll fight the Gun Primal
viscid monolith
Good old NA. Making a piece of content worse
People really don't wanna farm Bozja for Relic in spite of it potentially being quicker
odd yoke
NA too short sighted
iron scaffold
But the main concern is there's three primal swords from the three great continents
odd yoke
"i dont want to do fates and stuff in new content, i wanna do fates in OLD content"
severe brook
the only thing is that Ame-no-Murakumo didn't have the same style as Zantetsuken and Save the Queen
and it had its own explanation for having so much aether in it
iron scaffold
Imagine Zenos collecting all three of the swords
severe brook
the primals keep arguing over who gets to temper him
and he just keeps shutting them down
sterile moat
people are farming just not a lot
also math boss just spawned
while these guys were farming
🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
iron scaffold
Surprise Math quiz
iron scaffold
seems accurate
sterile moat
also for absent friends just popped while i was farming the crocs nearby
odd yoke
We believe that the duel fates are primarily spawned by killing magitek in that respect zone..
While pyro may need people to do his fate chain as well ontop of the magitek kills
sterile moat
yea that's what i think too
odd yoke
I spawned chocobo really quick after killing a handful by its spawn
odd yoke
Did absent friends spawn during or after Math boss for you dan
slim egret
some runs only get like 14 ppl joiningf
but the runs ive pugged with over 28 do well all the time
next quarry
Yeah Rise of the Robots spawned after beating stuff for clusters a bit on zone 3 for me
Rise of the Robots is
slim egret
the math boss ce is so hard
next quarry
Math boss right
next quarry
I think I might have been at the right place at the right time
sterile moat
Did absent friends spawn during or after Math boss for you dan
@odd yoke after
gaunt star
yup
slim egret
ive only done it with orgasnized runs
gaunt star
yeah a lot of us had death so it was pretty ez pz
slim egret
death feels so good to use
gaunt star
to get all 6
slim egret
lol
gaunt star
We saved 5 in that 22man
slim egret
best lost acion
gaunt star
I've saved all 6 with full group
slim egret
*action
gaunt star
And I've seen only 3 with a full group too...
odd yoke
Most runs i see on light average around 28-36
odd yoke
All them aetherweavers
sterile moat
just my party has 4
lime igloo
if you get people who can use Death you can save all prisoners even with only 24 people
group I was in did it yesterday
honestly having 48/48 is probably overkill, especially since it scales
odd yoke
Yeah
sterile moat
imo, getting all 6 depends more on groups spreading out for them and not clearing everything
like prioritizing prisoners
flat pasture
does death work on all of the trash there? like chimeras on the way etc
lime igloo
it works on everything yeah
viscid monolith
We only got 5/6 last time because I was the only one SW
lime igloo
sounds to me like you should have been using Death 
viscid monolith
i had to keep attacking or I would have died
flat pasture
sick, i'll try that out next time
viscid monolith
I'm going Monk
sterile moat
what the fuck
slim egret
dps check is not hard
sterile moat
slim egret
a party can get him down to .01%
sterile moat
i had a 6 dps party where they failed
slim egret
slim egret
they dont know how to play their class
gaunt star
Having a healer or two not casting at all really increases the load
Then you have death, weakness, the super mechanic respector
sterile moat
it's pretty much the lack of essences imo
gaunt star
Yeah, a healer with damage essence is a huge change
Tanks too
I don't know how well skimisher scales because I only ever run as healer
sterile moat
i've been doing 11~13k dps
with aetherweaver
dunno how much dps a dps can actually do
gaunt star
I wonder how safe a full party of healers and 1 tank is for lyon
That would be a funny failsafe
lime igloo
if they're all using aetherweaver it would absolutely be fine
gaunt star
considering how nutty tank and healer dps is with martialist and aetherweaver
it'd be easy asf
sterile moat
had a run earlier where it had 2 people wearing ultimate weapons and still failed the check
gaunt star
lime igloo
better yet, have half the healers using Profane 
gaunt star
1 button brain
There's one gigachad sam I've seen a couple times who pushes 20k
Wait does kaiten work on lost slash
lime igloo
I tried using Irregular but forgot to play like a DPS so I kept dying lmao
sterile moat
this was my group
lime igloo
honestly Guardian is really nice if you just want to never die ever
gaunt star
Kaiten works on slash but I think banner is better
sterile moat
wish there were better healer combos
they're kind of meh
the banner is suicide
just stand still lmao :^)
gaunt star
Press 1 button with distance advantage what could go wrong
gaunt star
Nothing at all of course
banner of noble ends is fine
healers just need to not be dumb
lime igloo
big thing to ask
sterile moat
ordained with death feels like a placebo too
sterile moat
without ordained i one shot stars within 3 tries
some were more stubborn with 5-7 ish
a lot of one shots without it
gaunt star
I've got 3 or 4 consecutive kills first cast with ordained, without it it's been much worse but that's just my experience
This was around 4 rounds of full map wipe
slim egret
do u guys know what lost item makes blm become a full on fire mage
i heard someone talking about it
wicked oak
hello. what does Haste do from augmenting bozjan armors?
it seems you need a lot of coins to augment
rain onyx
@slim egret Ether Kit + Essence of the Breathtaker
@wicked oak basically skill/spell speed
slim egret
cool ty, im about to have so much fun being a fire mage
rain onyx
You basically spam Dispair with that combo
wicked oak
@rain onyx thanks. so bozjan coins are only from castrum currently?
wicked oak
seems like you need to farm castrum 300 times haha
castrum run gives an average of 30coins
rain onyx
The coffers themselves can rarely drop, apparently
wicked oak
ah castrum drops augmented coffers?
slim egret
ooh the items to be a fire mage is really easy to get too
and yeah it does
super rare
wicked oak
oh the upgrade pieces rather i see
are the augment pieces directly rewarded or need to be rolled?
slim egret
you get personal chests
rain onyx
No idea, I assume personal
slim egret
in castrum\
rain onyx
Since all the coffers are personal
wicked oak
ah right. thanks
slim egret
its kinda nice actually
rain onyx
Just managed 14 despairs in a row now.
slim egret
since the rng only applies to you rather than entire party
wicked oak
is the haste worth it? anybody equipped with a Haste+2 and saw a huge difference?
seems like you get max Haste+7
rain onyx
I personally don’t recommend going for it IMO
wicked oak
will this be like the elemental armor in pyros? +1 in future patches?
lime igloo
you can get Haste +10 with the earring
which is a full -.2 reduction in recast times
depending on job it can be worth it
rain onyx
Only BLM and the tanks would really take advantage of it
The rest don’t really benefit much from a faster GCD
slim egret
how does essence of breath take help with fire mage combo
rain onyx
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rain onyx
It makes the chance of this buff going away from 50% to 10%
rain onyx
I managed a high score of 35 Despairs in a row
rain onyx
Looking at the recast timer, possibly the bozja gear and earring
Since it seems to be based on your speed
wary pond
waiting 1 min between attempts is ugh
half phoenix
So besides a minion which can be sold, and a fragements, which can be sold, is there any real incentive to do castrum?
because i feel like most classes want haste
rain onyx
Only tanks and BLM really like having a lot of it
Most jobs work just fine or prefer near-base GCD
half phoenix
exactly
ionic dock
Not really, like skill speed is a cardinal sin for DNCs. Hell, last tier we didn’t grab the savage ring because it had skill speed
half phoenix
I'm just not seeing what why people are so gung ho about castrum
lime igloo
DRK can get down to 2.21 with a full haste set
ionic dock
It’s fun
rain onyx
Good money from the rare fragments
half phoenix
for now
rain onyx
And the armor looks very nice
lime igloo
which is extremely chefskiss IMO
half phoenix
so you do your 5 runs or so, then stop?
rain onyx
They’re still consumable items in the end, so they’ll have constant demand
ionic dock
^
lime igloo
also Castrum is just fun to do. there's a lot of potential variance
pastel coyote
well you can run castrum for fun too
rain onyx
It’s not a thing like mounts or minions where you only need to get one
lime igloo
it's like a WoW raid
half phoenix
yes but the markets will get flooded with people trying to make money off them
pastel coyote
i never see it with 48/48 so far
wary pond
16th death attempt and it missed
i wonder high high is the %
pastel coyote
it's not like i could "steal" a slot by being here
lime igloo
plus the minion and orchestion drops are insanely rare so
half phoenix
minions getting cheap too
lime igloo
you want to run it a lot regardless lol
ionic dock
Especially since the Bozja BA is next patch, keeping some of those skills is extremely helpful
half phoenix
which are the orchestrion songs?
lime igloo
the Zodiac Age ones
half phoenix
yes, and the orchestrion log doesn't actually list sources
rain onyx
Based on Gil cost on the marketboard, I’m assuming the rare ones from the Castrum are “Blood on the Wind” and “Discord: Imperial (Zodiac Age Version)”
half phoenix
just says "obtained in bozja southern front" not specifically castrum
rain onyx
“Into the Fortress” and “Battle with an Esper” too
half phoenix
so are any of those 3 NOT from castrum?
lime igloo
idk maybe people have crashed the price already lol
half phoenix
blood on the wind and discord: imperial are cluster purchases
lime igloo
I don't have a lot of money so I'd prefer to get the drops myself
half phoenix
25 each
rain onyx
Battle with an Esper and Into the Fortress are the Castrum ones then
half phoenix
yea, those are cheap XD
the market is flooded
its the bought ones that are expensive because people aren't really farming mechs.
they're afking for castrum
battle with an esper, and life and death are less than 20k on my server
lime igloo
you can't marketboard Lyon's field notes and those only drop from the final Castrum chest
half phoenix
okay, there's an incentive
lime igloo
which is actually the main reason I'm still doing it
half phoenix
exclusive loot, that can't be traded
lime igloo
I want the upgrade items, but you CAN vendor those, so if I can't get them to drop I might wait until they go down in price
half phoenix
but most people don't want haste XD
ionic dock
^
lime igloo
I play tanks so I do lol
gotta hope they eventually drop below a million simply due to the lack of demand..
ionic dock
The earrings might be good enough for tanks. It’s mostly BLM and maybe SAM that wants it
half phoenix
"most people" not "everyone"
i'm mildly curious if the 6.0 CE earrings will give the 30% exp buff, or if they're not doing that again
lime igloo
I want my 2.21 recast...
ionic dock
idk. I don’t play SAM so ehh, can’t make a comment that isn’t hearsay.
half phoenix
so for the field notes who are 11, 12, 16, and 17?
half phoenix
what about the former 2?
lime igloo
Dabog's drop from his 1v1 OR the northern FATE "Murder Death Kill"
half phoenix
... i'm having 0 luck getting it from that Skirmish then XD
i've done it plenty the last few days
lime igloo
Dyunbu's can drop from the "absent friends" FATE that starts the Metal Fox Chaos chain
lime igloo
Dabog's is mega-rare afaik
lime igloo
I'm in the same boat lol
half phoenix
and honestly i don't have an interest in those titles
i saw most of gabriel early today, when a guy cleared it, and mechanically it seems easy enough, but i don't care for lost actions
rain onyx
The only essential one for him is mana wall
Though a damage boosting essence is also very helpful
half phoenix
overlap the lightning puddles near the edge, get knock backed from mid into the tower, find a safe spot in the missile criss-cross, and minimize pulse aoe damage
where does Absent friends spawn?
rain onyx
North
half phoenix
those aware of it do, those that don't read aren't aware
just say in chat "attack the crates"
pastel coyote
well i did, that's the problem
uncut tide
Freeing all prisoners just give more chest right? No guaranteed augment drops?
uncut tide
Also for the crates I mark it for my party with numbers and signs
If they still don't focus it then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gaunt star
I think the prisoner chests drop the L10/11/12/13/14/15 actions
So you need to save all 6 to get the L15 ones
half phoenix
from the sounds of it the prisoners only give 4 more coins guaranteed
everything else is up to RNG
gaunt star
I think folks are starting to burn out on Bozjan after this week
slim egret
does castrum give good exp
gaunt star
there's been a lot of castrum groups that don't really fill or even complete
and I've noticed that the rate of mount drops from lockboxes has gone down
price on Crystal seems to have stabilized around 2.5 million gil
it's nice that the lockboxes are dropping a variety of minions and pets
but honestly...I'm at Res Rank 14 and all I need is the mount and maybe a single run of Castrum to finish off the story but beyond that...I'm not sure why I'm doing Bozjan still
pastel coyote
well turn the mettle as a money to make it matter
half phoenix
Btw apparently there won’t be a second zone period if Mr. Happy’s memory is correct
pastel coyote
i only trust the lore chan for past, current and future content
half phoenix
On their FF14 podcast the other day he said that it was stated that for this relic they wanted it to be different for every step
So first step was Memoria Misera, a trial, second step is Bozja, third step most likely the 24/48 man Bozja dungeon aka BA2, leaving the fourth step in 5.5 a complete unknown
wary perch
I don't trust Mr happy
Unless you can link a source with Yoshi or se statement
He is the dude who said holy cow mutation give more XP in pagos
Lmao
half phoenix
I did say “if his memory is correct”
And i couldn’t find it in #translations-and-liveletters but it could have been in an interview that’s not in there
wary pond
well, turned out death strat for stars does print gil too
selling all the fragments
got 2.5 mil out of it
half phoenix
Yea, and the group there hates you for stealing the kill
wary pond
there was no groups
half phoenix
Ah
pastel coyote
actually the one who use death IS the group
wary pond
?
pastel coyote
and so far i only manage to make one party for that
i mean the people who kill star with death
they do it as a group, they don't steal it
pastel coyote
they roll their head on south fate when they are rank 15 when they could farm something usefull
half phoenix
I’ve been in a group for a star a couple times, and as we were fighting it, it just randomly died, via Death, and none of us got any fragments
rain onyx
I’m currently suffering because I want to do North Cluster/memory farm but it’s hard finding people for that
half phoenix
“Farm something useful” you mean not bozja?
half phoenix
“Lately” its been out for 4 days
cyan pecan
How's Bozja going?
rain onyx
Yeah, but I notice more of them in the middle section, which I don’t need the memories of
half phoenix
I think people are starting to see the holes in it
half phoenix
Oh gabriels becoming fairly common
pastel coyote
i get it first lock
rain onyx
I managed to get my 2nd Gabriel after a total of probably 120-ish lockboxes
pastel coyote
wary pond
i have shit rng
rain onyx
First one was at box 20 or something
half phoenix
Same with construct 14
wary pond
5 duels cleared and all the fates
rain onyx
I’m sending the 2nd one to a friend whose had bad box rng
rain onyx
Definitely doesn’t feel like that in my experience
Though that’s just the nature of RNG
I do wish there was a common loot drop besides FUCKING INDIGO STARS
why not clear demimateria/allagan coins or more G7 materia
half phoenix
I still say just put the prisms on a vendor for people that actually want them.
Would it be an economy crash? Just have them be the 100 gil ones and it’d be fine
It’s no worse than bulk gathering items and vendoring
rain onyx
Could’ve at least been new fireworks
half phoenix
What if they were the spinners instead?
gentle temple
They might have avoided coins/demimateria because the game needs more gil sinks, not more gil currently.
gaunt star
just lost a 50/50 shot at getting into a duel to someone that had no idea what they were doing
half phoenix
The ground ones that spin around you
gaunt star
feels great
half phoenix
Duels will get nerfed eventually
gentle temple
Maybe they should add a vendor that you can turn fireworks into for other stuff.
Like 100 blue stars for uh...
half phoenix
A tin allagan piece
half phoenix
100 1 gil items, for 1 100 gil item
gentle temple
shards/crystals/clusters for crafting?
half phoenix
Bleh, i honestly hope they just remove crystals for crafting in 6.0
gentle temple
You don't buy those from vendors, though.
half phoenix
How is it a gil sink?
half phoenix
You go gather them
gentle temple
You gather them yourself or buy them from the MB from (probably) gil sellers.
wind bough
I mean isn't all gathering a gil sink since you needa repair tools 
gentle temple
I just want seeds for crystals/clusters.
half phoenix
All exp related actions are gil sinks because of repairs
gentle temple
But repairs cost nothing.
half phoenix
Also true
gentle temple
Well, barely anything.
half phoenix
We get what, 10k for an expert roulette?
gentle temple
Now, actually adding stuff like crystals to a gil vendor wouldn't be a terrible idea.
vagrant sinew
weaver issue?
half phoenix
(Seriously it takes so many lightning crystals to process weaver stuff)
Weaver didn’t triple yield for yarns/strings on the new recipes
vagrant sinew
oof
gentle temple
I mean, that was clearly an oversight.
half phoenix
So you needed 3x as much materials, including crystals
gentle temple
But selling crystals for gil would take gil out of the economy and also hurt botters a good bit, so it would be a net positive
Maybe they should let you donate gil to the Bozjan resistance XD
rain onyx
What does Earth do? Only element I haven’t seen yet
And yeah, the boss is a lot more annoying when he uses fire
half phoenix
Shockwave aoe
subtle pasture
Earth is the rock ring aoe
yeah, three rings, they match the arena pattern like tornadoes do but man,
fire earth is a crap combo
hybrid rune
are the aoes simultaneous?
rain onyx
Ah, the way I saw someone describe it made it sound just like Thunder
half phoenix
No
hybrid rune
cos i had ice and water and at first thought the knockback would settle it lol
half phoenix
Inner ring, then middle ring, then outer ring
subtle pasture
like water-earth is stand on the first ring to be knocked to the third section, step in after second pop
fire earth you need to be out on the third section
@-@;;
half phoenix
So for earth fire.... stand on the outer?
subtle pasture
fire earth is always fire first,
but it falls off after the first aoe
that's why it's easier to be on the third ring
half phoenix
Good to know
subtle pasture
so water/earth > fire/earth is like
half phoenix
The odd combo would be ice/fire or vice-versa
subtle pasture
stand on first ring, knocked to third, move middle after it explodes, back out to third, wait for fire, move in after middle explodes again
well it's always water, then ice or fire, then lightning, wind, or earth,
second is only ice or fire, rather
half phoenix
Which is lightning again? Just the orbs?
subtle pasture
lightning in curse of the fiend is the middle explodes
so you move out
Burst II is the chain reaction
subtle pasture
Wind and Lightning are opposites, Earth is just annoying
half phoenix
Prior to knowing 2 field notes were exclusive to it, i’ve had 0 interest in running more
subtle pasture
2? What's the other
slim egret
@half phoenix I know I asked this a long time ago but I meant exp for classes
subtle pasture
There's 3 from the quest completion, and Albeleo's
slim egret
I was wondering if castrum gave a lot of lvling exp
half phoenix
Lyon and.....
half phoenix
Did you get it from his duel?
subtle pasture
I know each duel gives the notes of the respective boss, I don't know if they drop anywhere else
Dabog, Lyon, and Sartauvoir
half phoenix
And it seems none are exclusive to duels
slim egret
Locking any notes behind duels would be really dumb
half phoenix
People are getting the inferno’s from the skirmish before metal fox
slim egret
I like how the second boss mechanic changes each run
U can have different situations depending on the run
subtle pasture
I was hoping it'd change between pulls
rain onyx
Lyon’s lore notes also drop from Castrum
subtle pasture
but it's locked to that run, yeah
rain onyx
That’s how I got his
slim egret
When u get wind on the second boss u know ur in for an easy time
rain onyx
Water/Lightning/Wind would be the easiest combination if that’s possible
If not then Water/Ice/Wind
subtle pasture
Ice and Wind, yeah
second can ONLY be Fire or Ice
third is ONLY Lightning, Wind, or Earth
So Ice Wind is the easiest and Fire Earth is the most challenging
and boy what did I get when I was trying to help a friend clear
rain onyx
First is always Water, I assume? Only seen the boss 3 times so far
subtle pasture
Aye, aye, knockback is a part of every set.
So the combos will always feature water + another
It's also how they resolve in the combos, too
knockback, then the movement penalty, then the aoe
well, Earth happens simulataenos
another reason it sucks
frail jay
Unless it's Fire + Earth, that's a combo that people tend to die on until they realize you just stand on the back edge, then you have plenty of time to move once pyretic ends.
rain onyx
Water/earth happen at the actual same time?
subtle pasture
no, yeah, it's still kb - movement - aoe in that case
frail jay
Yeah. So you hang back about halfway, or just hang back + pop Surecast/Arm's Length.
rain onyx
So you stack by the first AoE then instead of right on the orb?
frail jay
They happen same time.
Yeh.
I just Surecast/Arm's Length when that comes up or other combos I hate.
subtle pasture
if you're right outside the first ring, the kb moves you cleanly into the third
so that's smooth, too
just step in 2nd after it pops
frail jay
Either way, I love how it's difficult in the sense that it's simple but supremely punishing for making mistakes. People are catching on relatively quick even on Crystal which has surprised me.
subtle pasture
I don't think a lot picked up earth perfectly matches the rings on the arena either
frail jay
Oh definitely not. That's helped me immensely.
subtle pasture
So aggravating that Earth was the only thing that costed us the run, he was hovering 10% for actual years
too many dead to Curse of the Fiend, not enough dps for meteors,
just waste of time
frail jay
You know what I was half hoping for though? A hidden 1v1 inside Castrum, fighting some big person for people who went through without taking avoidable/required mechanic damage for the entirety of it.
gaunt star
that would have been sick
frail jay
I'm kinda floored how well over the 1v1's went. It's something that doesn't have much substance but people have seemed to love it overall. And it had SO much potential to go so very very wrong.
gaunt star
i like the idea
but it's frustrating atm
ive complained a bunch about this already, but the fact that it's a lottery system is irritating when you're JUST trying to go for them
i wonder if they'll change it
wet crown
that's because people get better at the fights
you might just have to wait until the zones empty out a bit
gaunt star
basically
late trail
lilac crest
red chocobo aint bad
If ppl just stand in the middle during cross chocobo
They deadass bait that shit on the safe spot
Shit is annoying
And makes me die
And make me miss out on duel chance
open verge
It’s easy
soft gyro
lucky guy https://img.thaun.dev/d8oxg.png
gaunt star
@half phoenix when did we have to do Memoria Misera EX for the relic? I don't remember that
pastel coyote
you don't need to
gaunt star
yeah so he's wrong
it was a duty, not a Trial
and it wasn't even close to Memoria Misera
next quarry
The thing is still called Memoria Misera
soft gyro
omg, again.. https://img.thaun.dev/45o99.png
odd yoke
Just dont kill magitek before Cll spawns
soft gyro
wdym by that?
odd yoke
It seems a large majority of CEs spawn with magitek kills
Especially the ones leading to duels like chocobo
soft gyro
you mean, fates?
odd yoke
Yes
soft gyro
red chocobo does not have magitecs tho
soft gyro
spawns the red chocobo fate, right?
odd yoke
Yes, its definitely clear that killing magitek in zone 2 spawns the red chocobo fate
We've been talking and looking into what spawns fates, especially duel ones
And it always seems to come back to magitek
soft gyro
yeah, but we did not know when it would pop up, the castrum one
odd yoke
CLL spawns 60mins if its a fresh instance
soft gyro
if
soft gyro
its just so stupid
i hate castrum
it never spawns on a good time
it also queues fast af
LET IT BE LIKE FATES
where you could wait 15 minutes
and still clear it
also, why not make it so people can join whilst the combat is still going?
late willow
You know what makes no sense about the castrum siege
Like, the Garleans didn't block off the entry
late willow
Why can we not get reinforcements throughout the dungeon
soft gyro
cause PS3 limitations
late willow
The don't block it once you're in
There is zero reason why people shouldn't be able to join midway through
wary pond
i wouldnt put more blocks
when i see savages
try to drill my steel door
also
there is big machine
beyond the door
assuming they got past it
but yea
castrum should have requesting reinforcements
after each boss
for 1 min
soft gyro
and, BEFORE the first boss
nocturne void
Are there any good guides on what to bring for Aces high?
open verge
Castrum is already easy I don’t see the harm tbh
odd yoke
Ace high need manawall
Tank invulns work
Bring spellforge or high dps actions if physical job
sterile moat
Killing magitek spawns red chocobo
@odd yoke mm, then when i saw a group killing red chocobos and the fate spawning after a while it must've been me who spawned him cause i was killing mechs in the area
trying to get the blue memory crap
but yea it makes sense, normal mobs for fragments, mechs for clusters and fates
marsh osprey
viscid monolith
Real talk I don't even want to do the final boss
next quarry
Dawon or Lyon
viscid monolith
After I get my fragments I'm ready to peace out
next quarry
Ah
Yeah
After 2nd boss is good enough for runs
Since the last boss only gives 10 coins
viscid monolith
Lyon is fun. Dawon pisses me off because I swear I'm standing outside of his cross fire attack
They really need to buff coins
I know they want people to keep running this but the amount we're getting is way too little
next quarry
I know they want you to get coins and upgrades from the dungeon, but 999 is a bit much
gaunt star
Fuck obey crosses
sterile moat
the upgrades drop from chests
so doing the last boss can save you 999 coins
but yea
fuck obey crosses, took me a while to get used to them
viscid monolith
Sometimes I'm standing in them but don't get hit, sometimes I'm and still get hit