retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[gaunt star]

hmm so if you miss your death on star mobs I guess you just die?

[wary pond]

not worth it

[gaunt star]

if you're soloing

[odd yoke]

You run away

[devout musk]

You still get aggro yeah

[odd yoke]

Sleep then run

Or swifr

[gaunt star]

I sprinted away and died pphands

[dim sigil]

You run

Lost Sprint or whatever helps

Lost Swift*

[odd yoke]

Most people use Ordained + death and sleep

[gaunt star]

I tried sleeping tideborn and it resisted

[wary pond]

it does about 10% of duel boss hp

then you swap fast

[odd yoke]

Only tideborn cant be slept

[wet crown]

so just use swift

[wary pond]

isnt tideborn

area 1 star?

[odd yoke]

Ye

[wary pond]

just skip it

iirc it drop low rank fragments

also whats respawn time of stars?

[odd yoke]

Caution

[gaunt star]

I see ppl saying either 5/10 or 30 min

[odd yoke]

I think 30mins

[lilac crest]

top dps gang

[wary pond]

imagine parsing bozja

[lilac crest]

I have nothing better to do

I dontn wanna do savage no more

cause by the time 5.4 comes

savage gear is obsolete

😔

aint 5.4 in like a month

and I dont even raid that often

[wary pond]

i hope they fix duels at 5.45

[novel furnace]

a month a half, just about

[wary pond]

i cant fkn enter

[lilac crest]

lmao

[wary pond]

anymore

i spent entire day

and only managed to clear lyon

[next quarry]

CLL DONE

Yay

[lilac crest]

How rare

Is the fucking upgrade drop from CLL

237 goddamn coins

Nothing

I have no upgrade yet

[odd yoke]

Its low

[gaunt star]

very rare

[lilac crest]

I know someone who already has 2

[gaunt star]

idk if everyone who got one shouted but I've seen 2 linked in like 7 clears

[lilac crest]

But then they dont have gabriel

And hav 100 prisms

[late willow]

Good job Aza

[wary pond]

wait

just noticed

u get a title for clearing all 3 duels

sword of the south

[lilac crest]

Yeah

Free swag points

Now nobody can call you shitter

[wary pond]

meh but legend have better weight

[lilac crest]

Legend can be bought

But legend do be kinda cool doe

Like if only

Legends in DF werent shitters

I’d actually have respect for Legend title

I just have hand of mercy on from pvp

From killing 5000 people

[sterile moat]

lmao r15 fragments went from 3mil to 30k

the level of meme skills in these

[wary pond]

@lilac crest hey i pull my weight

cleared dohn mheg in 16 mins

[gaunt star]

kinda disappointing to see r15 so trash

then again it's nice you won't have to depend on them

[sterile moat]

dice is kind of nice if you roll the right thing

but then, rng

[next quarry]

Fuck the casting top clips my hair

[gaunt star]

seems ok but even haste+ isn't blowin the doors off

[lilac crest]

How good even is haste

[sterile moat]

i got a dmg buff

[lilac crest]

How much skills speed is it basically

[sterile moat]

got my glares to 37k with no crits

[wary pond]

u get 0.08 gcd reduction per piece

[gaunt star]

how much of a flex will sword of the south even be

[lilac crest]

Thats lowkey wack

[gaunt star]

it's gated by rng

which is whack as fuck

[lilac crest]

Lmao

[sterile moat]

!buff high wire

[lusty shadow]

**High Wire**

Heightened excitement is causing actions to become erratic.

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[sterile moat]

and considering it's a stack

[gaunt star]

haste+ is like -.1 gcd or sth

for 1 min

[sterile moat]

i assume using multiple dices stack

[wary pond]

high wire is 30% dps increase

for 1 min

[lilac crest]

Oh wait

.1 gcd

So basically

I’m a drg with 2.0 gcd if I have all 5 pcs

[nocturne void]

Yes

that's why haste is locked to special content

[gaunt star]

no haste+ effect from dice

[lilac crest]

Dice?

[gaunt star]

gear haste is like -0.08 for 3 haste

[lilac crest]

😔

[gaunt star]

effective on mnk/sam/blm

[lilac crest]

Not on drg then 😔

[gaunt star]

but you can't stack sks to take advantage of it on other jobs

[lilac crest]

Good thing I have a sam

👍

Doesnt it also give move speed or something

Are the augmented pieces still 495

Or are they atleast 500?

Or give 5 melds

[random anvil]

495 with 5 melds

[lilac crest]

Alright cool

[next quarry]

5?

[lilac crest]

😔

Why is it

So ass to grind

[random anvil]

oh rip nvm

[lilac crest]

When its such a small ass dps boost

You just get haste

Which is literally skill speed

Atleast give more crit

999 coins for skill speed

Come on

[wary pond]

they want u to spam it

[royal basin]

see baller new bozja gear
have character with long hair
best looking coats have a super high collar
real clipping hours

[next quarry]

Upgrades can drop as well right?

[gaunt star]

yeah

[next quarry]

@royal basin EXACTLY

[gaunt star]

afaik they can drop after second and third boss

[lilac crest]

Imma just sell it when I get it

[gaunt star]

idk about first boss

[lilac crest]

I dont need haste man

😔

[next quarry]

Where are the chests on the first boss

[gaunt star]

right before the hallway that splits off

[lilac crest]

Right after foor

Door*

[next quarry]

Ah ok

I missed it

Too many people

[lilac crest]

Loool

[wary pond]

oh yes

i heard of ppl

who actually bail after saving prisoners

[lilac crest]

Bruh

What

[gaunt star]

[sterile moat]

yea considering how the last boss depends on a good 8man group

[lilac crest]

You mean after 2nd boss

Or legit after prisoners?

[wary pond]

yes

[lilac crest]

Oh

[wary pond]

after boss

[next quarry]

Why

[lilac crest]

Thats understandable

[next quarry]

Oh

Boss

[sterile moat]

because people suck at the last boss

[wary pond]

then get chests and bail

[royal basin]

the 'obey' markers just annihilate people

[lilac crest]

Top aint even bad

Just dont be bad

[sterile moat]

i just timed out on a instance cause a group offered to go top and sucked at it

[lilac crest]

It legit took me 1 death in top to figure out what to do

[sterile moat]

then i formed a new group and cleared the dps check but we timed out at 20%

[lilac crest]

Feelspepe

[wary pond]

rip

[sterile moat]

i was outparsing everyone on my party before i formed a top group

2nd top dps was the tank

[wary pond]

@sterile moat toxic

[lilac crest]

Lmao

[sterile moat]

so yea i didn't have high hopes for that group

on top i tanked brionac

and the last boss

[royal basin]

i just hate when top fails and it turns into a fifteen minute timer wasting blame game instead of just figuring out what needs to happen and pulling again

[sterile moat]

as whm

[lilac crest]

Loooool

Top dps as whm

[wary pond]

whm can be super crazy

[sterile moat]

just gonna join discord groups from now on

[wary pond]

with essence of templar

[lilac crest]

What was essence of templar again

Was that less healing thing

[sterile moat]

like randoms are ok but the extra effort isn't worth it

[lilac crest]

But more damage

[sterile moat]

with essence of templar
@wary pond i use aetherweaver

[lilac crest]

What is aetherweaver

[sterile moat]

not even deep one

[lilac crest]

100% damage and 70% less heals?

Was that it

[sterile moat]

+80% dps

[wary pond]

it make u do more dps + make u a tank

[lilac crest]

Just gives 80% dps?

Oh

[wary pond]

too

[sterile moat]

templar is weaker than aetherweaver

[lilac crest]

Eh

[sterile moat]

it's also harder to get

[lilac crest]

Dang

No cons

[wary pond]

!action deep essense of the templar

[lusty shadow]

**Deep Essence of the Templar** : lvl 0 WHM SCH AST (0.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Increases defense by 60%, maximum HP by 54%, and damage dealt by 72%.
Effect ends upon reuse.
Cannot be used with other Essence or Deep Essence actions.

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[lilac crest]

Just straight up do samage

[random anvil]

all the eager toppers always die on first run

[next quarry]

!action Deep Essence of the Aetherweaver

[lusty shadow]

**Deep Essence of the Aetherweaver** : lvl 0 WHM SCH AST (0.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Increases damage dealt by 96%.
Effect ends upon reuse.
Cannot be used with other Essence or Deep Essence actions.

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[wet crown]

!action deep essense of the aetherweaver

[lusty shadow]

**Deep Essence of the Aetherweaver** : lvl 0 WHM SCH AST (0.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Increases damage dealt by 96%.
Effect ends upon reuse.
Cannot be used with other Essence or Deep Essence actions.

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[sterile moat]

this is the best for healer dmg

but you sac your survivability

not worth it imo

unless you're going full pepega

[lilac crest]

If you have 3 healers in party

Go ahead

[wet crown]

No, SCHs cannot abuse this

shields depend on the heals

[lilac crest]

Whm can

[wary pond]

@sterile moat i used that in clusters farm

[lilac crest]

Affaltus misery with that

= glocks

[wary pond]

cause u almost never heal there

[sterile moat]

yea

[wet crown]

Misery is basically just to make up for lost DPS

[lilac crest]

I have so many lost death

[sterile moat]

for farming is nice

[lilac crest]

I have 40 rn

And I just use it on star monsters

Thats like

[wet crown]

Brah. I have 122

[lilac crest]

400 casts

[wary pond]

but yea healers are kinda the best for duels

who get more benefits

from their heals and dps

[wet crown]

or just use bloodsucker or watcher and heal from DPS

use auto-potion

or just resistance potions

[wary pond]

beart

[wet crown]

cure II

[wary pond]

beast

[wet crown]

okay beast

I confuse the two

!action essense of the watcher

[lusty shadow]

**Essence of the Watcher** : lvl 0 MNK DRG BRD BLM SMN NIN MCH SAM RDM DNC (0.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Reduces maximum HP by 5% while increasing evasion by 40%.
Effect ends upon reuse.
Cannot be used with other Essence or Deep Essence actions.

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[wet crown]

yh the evasion one

well one of them

[lilac crest]

Are the mount speed pots any good

[wet crown]

sure

you move faster and you have poison immunity

[lilac crest]

Like how fast do you become

Is it like a 1 star increase in speed

[wary pond]

if u wanna escape from failed lost death attempt at star mob @lilac crest

[lilac crest]

Or just that 5% increase it said

[wary pond]

[sterile moat]

you can just sprint away

[lilac crest]

[sterile moat]

but breathaker makes it safer

[wary pond]

action

[lilac crest]

Does chocobo actually get destroyed by reflect?

[sterile moat]

max range+death + sprint asap

[shell merlin]

Ye

[lilac crest]

I wanna see a run

Where like

[gaunt star]

U can literally repose everything except tideborn, and sleep won't get removed on failed death procs

[wet crown]

!action deep essense of the breathtaker

[shell merlin]

@lilac crest reflect is good

[lusty shadow]

**Deep Essence of the Breathtaker** : lvl 0 PLD MNK WAR DRG BRD WHM BLM SMN SCH NIN MCH DRK AST SAM RDM GNB DNC (0.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Increases poison resistance and movement speed, including mount speed, and increases evasion by 20%.
Effect ends upon reuse.
Cannot be used with other Essence or Deep Essence actions.

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[lilac crest]

24 people stand on meteor and feflect

And see how fast chocobo does

[shell merlin]

Reflect doesnt damage it

Does it?

[lilac crest]

I think it did I heard

[sterile moat]

meteors are reflected yea

[lilac crest]

Looool

[gaunt star]

Tideborn stands in place to cast something after awhile so u have no risk

[lilac crest]

Imagine 24 people

[shell merlin]

But does it damage it

[wet crown]

you have to remember that some essenses have synergy with different lost actions

[lilac crest]

Just fuckinf stand with reflect

[shell merlin]

I knew day one it reflected

But damage?

[sterile moat]

that's how reflect works

[lilac crest]

Death and essence of the ordained

[sterile moat]

it reflects dmg

[lilac crest]

So nice

[shell merlin]

didnt think it worked on bosses

[wet crown]

!action lost swift

[lusty shadow]

**Lost Swift** : lvl 0 PLD MNK WAR DRG BRD WHM BLM SMN SCH NIN MCH DRK AST SAM RDM GNB DNC (90.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Greatly increases movement speed.
Duration: 10s
Spirit of the Breathtaker Effect: Increases evasion by 30%
Duration: 60s
Spirit of the Watcher Effect: Grants Rapid Recast to self
Rapid Recast Effect: Shortens recast time for next ability used by 60%
Duration: 30s
Effect cannot be stacked with other movement speed enhancing abilities.

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[shell merlin]

Like the insta kill one

[wet crown]

fuck, what was the evasion banner

[wary pond]

@wet crown font of power with platebearer
give you both dps increase and 50% mitigation

[zenith ether]

You reflect the proximity meteors, or the towers?

[drowsy ivy]

I dont think Star mobs count as bosses

[wet crown]

[lilac crest]

Yo

[cosmic herald]

I thought WHM was supposed to be healer but I end up dealing 350k damage with Misery

[lilac crest]

What if

Lost death actually worked on bosses

[lilac crest]

Nobody just tried it yet

[wet crown]

fully resisted

I did try

[cosmic herald]

tried before on mage CE, didn't work

[wary pond]

well we get new actions in new bozja?

[lilac crest]

I hope

[wary pond]

seeing we have soo many stuff atm

[lilac crest]

I want lost death III

[hexed mango]

Anybody else really happy this content is a continuation of Ivalice?

[wet crown]

let me consult the magic 8-ball

🎱

It's possible we'll go to Dalmasca, too

[hexed mango]

Dude what if like

[cosmic herald]

i switched to rdm because death casts too long

[hexed mango]

One of the zones is literally just an explorable rabanastre

That'd be cool

One of my favorite parts of FF12 i feel like no other FF did as well was when you have to go inside the imperial capital. And you're like, roaming the streets.

[wary pond]

think dalmasca might be involved in 6.0

[sterile moat]

swiftcast it

same cd anyways

[hexed mango]

@wary pond Eruyt Village?

[wary pond]

since dalmasca is still under garlean territory iirc

[tough locust]

is there a gallery of the new resistance weapons' looks yet?

[wary pond]

it was posted like since 5.3 release

[lilac crest]

Theres a youtube vid on it

[tough locust]

🤷‍♀️ quick google didn't turn up anything

[next quarry]

Bad Wolfy on YouTube

[tough locust]

i'll check it out, ty :)

[wet crown]

why are you googling it when you can just look at it in motion on YT

[tough locust]

idk, why are you answering questions just to be a smartass? O:

[fervent pivot]

It's not that serious lol, chill

[earnest sedge]

:v

[next quarry]

I'm kinda interesting in seeing what happens to Lyon

I like him

[gentle temple]

Maybe they prefer screenshots to video.

I do, too.

And that Elezen interests me.

[next quarry]

He served under Basch

[gentle temple]

I'm betting we're gonna be playing musical factions by the end of this plotline.

With a lot of people switching sides.

[next quarry]

I feel like Lyon or the Elezen are gonna join us eventually

Lyon though is still hella loyal to Gabranth

[lilac crest]

yo what

you can trade these for lockboxes

I thought they were useless all this time

[next quarry]

Yeah

[gentle temple]

Are there more cutscenes in or after Castrum? I unlocked it but haven't gotten to go in, yet.

[next quarry]

Yep

More story after

[gentle temple]

Nice.

[next quarry]

And it's

Something

[lilac crest]

fucking pain

I got 9/11 prisms

[gentle temple]

I'd really like to see Lyon's loyalty not be misplaced.

Gabranth sure sounds like a good guy on paper, but then that Menenius is his second in command, right?

[next quarry]

Menenius definitely has some different plans

I think

[gentle temple]

And he doesn't seem like a good guy, so it's hard to believe his boss is all sunshine and light but tolerating that.

[floral aurora]

Once you get to rank 15 you get all the gear for one job right?

Rank 9 still so i don't know it all works

[subtle pasture]

Castrum Lacus Litore is unlocked and must be completed for the Rank 10 story, 11 and up is just to appraise the forgotten fragments that come from the later bosses in CLL

gear is also gated behind CLL, bc you need to finish story to unlock the armor trader

[floral aurora]

Oh gotcha! Man from what i heard i won't be getting it soon since people tell me its tough

Thank you

[gentle temple]

Are there any actions I really need as a whm?

[subtle pasture]

Little on the odds of getting a sturdy team, but there's no reason a full alliance can't clear it

[gentle temple]

Or is it okay to just pick whatever looks interesting

[subtle pasture]

...Though the last boss has a phase for one party and they need to stay alive against a mini-boss

[floral aurora]

I hope i have good luck on my first run

[subtle pasture]

WHM for CLL or in general

re: actions

[gentle temple]

I've been seeing plenty of people on my server with the gear, so it must be doable.

CLL

[floral aurora]

Since im a casual tank, should i be a dps instead for the raid?

[subtle pasture]

Not a bad idea, yeah. But the second section is a big trash pack that could use multiple tanks

and so is last boss' add phase...

but for healer holster, I always do uhhh

prot, shell, bravery- and each team NEEDS a spellforge and steelsling so I holster my own just in case

[floral aurora]

So more tanks the better xD Just hope i can tank it without messing up my team

[next quarry]

Arise, Aetherweaver

[subtle pasture]

Arise and phoenix downs are still good ideas on healer bc they're second to swift-raise

[next quarry]

Reraise

Death works on some adds maybe?

[subtle pasture]

It works on the executioners, chiefly, so it's deffo a fantastic idea

and any of Dawon's trash

[floral aurora]

I been saving those for star monsters, i should use them in there?

[next quarry]

If you want

Save some time

[wary pond]

killing dawn adds is waste of time

[subtle pasture]

You'll get a ton of deaths anyways

[wary pond]

soon enough another wave will spawn

[subtle pasture]

just the beetles, yeah

[next quarry]

Less chances for people to die

[subtle pasture]

just gonna keep coming til Lyon group finishes

fortunately they all just despawn when the phase is over anyways

[wary pond]

yes

[subtle pasture]

Lyon group's way more fun

I wanna do it more >:c

[dim sigil]

Literally we get to the final boss in then my game decides to just not

[wary pond]

i go with lyon group always

cause ppl are shit at dps check there

[subtle pasture]

I went up as healer in a pug once,

first pull, wiped bc two dps were dead from first Obey

[unreal wadi]

[subtle pasture]

second, so ahead we skipped a HoN

[wary pond]

yea my lyon runs

been skipping 2nd heart of nature

when i went top

the times i didnt we enraged always

[subtle pasture]

now I just run with the CEM bc an ~hour prep time for a solid, quick run beats out gambling with pugs

[wary pond]

!action essence of the ordained

[lusty shadow]

**Essence of the Ordained** : lvl 0 WHM SMN SCH AST RDM (0.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Increases damage dealt by 20%, healing potency by 25%, and maximum MP by 50%.
Effect ends upon reuse.
Cannot be used with other Essence or Deep Essence actions.

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[wary pond]

what that has to do with lost death?

i dont get it

[next quarry]

Increases the chance

[unreal wadi]

TIL you can lost death the guards killing the prisoners

[rain onyx]

!action lost death

[lusty shadow]

**Lost Death** : lvl 0 PLD MNK WAR DRG BRD WHM BLM SMN SCH NIN MCH DRK AST SAM RDM GNB DNC (60.0 second cooldown)(5.0 second base cast time)

KOs target. The less the target's HP, the greater the chance of success.
Spirit of the Ordained Effect: Chance of success is increased
This action does not share a recast timer with any other actions. Furthermore, the recast timer cannot be affected by other actions.

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[wary pond]

ah kk

i missed the 2nd half

[dim sigil]

Most of castrum except the bosses I I believe u can Death

I've used it on quite a bit in there

[lusty herald]

Death has been a gift for under-sized Castrum runs. I've at least twice stopped the guard from killing a PoW with it.

[gaunt cradle]

oh death works on the guards I should get some more for castrum then

[odd yoke]

Healers should definitely bring some deaths for them

[slim egret]

ive never done lyon but i think the dps check is super easy on it that as long as half the party know what to do

youll be fine

i saw someone did 25 % of his health once

[odd yoke]

It is

Unless everyone keeps constantly dying

[gaunt cradle]

so do we have a list of where to get field notes from yet?

[wary pond]

well dps needed is 48.3k

u should easily meet it

even without the edge given by pots

can undead enemies be slept?

like bozja rider

[subtle pasture]

do the dead sleep?

but I doubt it

[gaunt star]

Death works on the executioners

Oh someone already said that

[brisk quail]

Tbh. Castrum is easier with 26 people vs 48

You don't get oneshot everywhere

[stuck axle]

hey im on step 2 of resitance weapons

will step 1 still mats still drop

[brisk quail]

No.

[stuck axle]

darn

[brisk quail]

You need to start a 2nd weapon

And get to the same step

[stuck axle]

i was thinking of staying on step 2 and grinding out 108 hw dungeons inbetween fates

[open verge]

Just grind Bozja if you want to do bitters in bulk

[lilac crest]

how detrimental is

!action Banner of Honored Sacrifice

[lusty shadow]

**Banner of Honored Sacrifice** : lvl 0 PLD MNK WAR DRG BRD WHM BLM SMN SCH NIN MCH DRK AST SAM RDM GNB DNC (90.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Storm the field under the Banner of Honored Sacrifice, increasing damage dealt by 55% while draining your HP.
Duration: 15s
Can only be executed while in combat.
Effect cannot be stacked with other Banner actions.

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[lilac crest]

how much does it drain

[odd yoke]

Iirc 3% hp i heard

[lilac crest]

so not a lot?

debating whether or not to bring it

[odd yoke]

Maybe abit more than 3%

Probably thinking of the MP drain on magic

[brisk quail]

Slap a WHM regen/CureIV regen and call it good

[balmy zodiac]

Any idea how much time CE need to respawn? Like a tracker

[unreal wadi]

Nothing of the sort yet

[viscid monolith]

Wtf 16%?

[odd yoke]

16-20k damage

[viscid monolith]

Screw that. There's another banner that just reduces healing. I'll use that one.

[gaunt star]

sacrifice good if you have some lifesteal option

I ran it with profane on whm and wasted a bunch of time healing myself tho

[odd yoke]

With Beast/bloodsucker its feasible. Plus pots

[gaunt star]

Feel like noble ends is generally better since there's not a ton of incoming damage in castrum usually

Better to not be immediately topped from a raidwide that deals most of your hp than take a dot that kills you without attention

[odd yoke]

I generally find noble ends easier to use

The difference between them is 5% so ehhh

[brisk quail]

Man. Watching new players freakout in SoS when the boss pops LB4 is the best

[cobalt ingot]

font of lost power for the win

[nocturne void]

I like that tanks get a cool moment

[brisk quail]

wait, that's illegal

I like that tanks get a cool moment

I agree tanks deserve more

Hence I LOVED memory miseria

[nocturne void]

I don't think tank lb has been required in a MSQ yet until then.

Anyone remember?

[odd yoke]

Uhhh

[brisk quail]

In MSQ?

Erm... no.

[odd yoke]

Not in story

[brisk quail]

In raids? Yes

[nocturne void]

There are raid ones

[odd yoke]

Only Alexander and Omega

[brisk quail]

Like Alex and Omega are tank needed

[odd yoke]

Then ultimates and then cheese strats

[brisk quail]

But not MSQ line fights

No MSQ line fight before SoS needed tank LB

But yeah more tank cool guy moments are needed

Either with LBs or Block Mechanics like Suanoo/Varus

[cobalt ingot]

we need the switcharoo next patch with it killing you even through tank LB

[nocturne void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WJ_o_H3rL8

Speaking of susanoo

[cobalt ingot]

[brisk quail]

@brisk quail becomes immune to sleep for the next 24 hours

[nocturne void]

TENZEN

DO ME

[eager prairie]

For folks who did Eureka's BA how does it compare to Castrum? Better. Worse? Curious as ive yet to do BA

[brisk quail]

People are unhappy because this is Baby Difficulty BA

It's like comparing an EX Trial vs a Normal Trial

[nocturne void]

Castrum is much much easier than BA

Is it easy?

No

Easier, yes

[odd yoke]

Bojzas Actual BA equilivant isnt even added yet

BA prevented reses and no retries

Castrum allows that

Making it much easier

[cobalt ingot]

I feel like if the game did the setup for you like it does in 24 man, castrum would just be like normal difficulty

[odd yoke]

Like being able to res does alot for difficulty

[cobalt ingot]

but communication hard

[odd yoke]

I just grab control when we zone in and do it for them

I call out the party leaders to speak up

[brisk quail]

DPS without Veteran Essence: fuck

[nocturne void]

Most people just wantsomeone to lead

[odd yoke]

Which is why i grab control

🤷‍♂️

[nocturne void]

yeah

[lilac crest]

just killed lyon before he could even finish knockback exaflare

[cobalt ingot]

[brisk quail]

Lyon is ez

I could beat him with my eyes closed.

[nocturne void]

beat that old man to death

[brisk quail]

bad fake jecht. Bad.

spray with water

[nocturne void]

Time to beat my son with a blitzball

[lilac crest]

lmfao look at the lost slash

[brisk quail]

Mfw he talks about a character namrd Titus

Me: i bet that's his kid. Totally. Mmhn. Yep.

[cobalt ingot]

no that's the kobold primal

[brisk quail]

Nope.

Fake jecht needs a kid named tidus

It's written in the book of... the... book thing final fantasy. Book rules thing... book.

0

[nocturne void]

remember when tidus exploded?

[cinder spindle]

would they make

the next primal into a bozja content or its own trial?

[brisk quail]

Bozja content

Bozja Pt.2 Stardust Crusaders

[lilac crest]

Bozja is nice

It gave me reason to play ff14 again

Although all Imm getting

Is fucking skill speed

[nocturne void]

bozja pt 3, hydalen resets the universe

[brisk quail]

Please stay tuned for the next FFMMO, final final fantasy 18

[lilac crest]

What about 17

[brisk quail]

17 is gonna be a FF about cowboys and crystals and is gonna be a 3rd person shooter

[maiden lodge]

the next primal into a bozja content or its own trial?
@cinder spindle

The 24/48 BA2 dungeon is the temple of the queen, so I think your answer is there

[brisk quail]

FF: Pew pew rooty tooty shooty

[lilac crest]

Wasnt there like

Castrum savage or something

[cinder spindle]

BA2 dungeon?

[lilac crest]

Didnt they talk about that

Or am I tripping

[agile otter]

Let me get the slide real quick

[cinder spindle]

24/48 man Primal

[cinder spindle]

seems interesting

O

48 man savage

[agile otter]

Its probably Gunnhildr + Company

[cinder spindle]

thats gonna be a pain to organize

would it be like thordan style boss fight?

[agile otter]

Probably at the place they found Save the Queen

[maiden lodge]

Delubrum Reginae

[agile otter]

in Southern Front

[maiden lodge]

Literally means 'Temple of the Queen'

[brisk quail]

Castrum Savage.

Nothing changes before the final fight.

The final fight is changed that only one player can join Lyon up top

This fight is tuned like the duel meaning he will oneshot you and you need manawall

[agile otter]

I mean if you wanted to go explore aether memories best place to look

[brisk quail]

[maiden lodge]

I'd expect the Blades being the intermediate encounters, leading to a confrontation with Missy

[brisk quail]

Then she pulls out her stand and goes ora ora ora

[agile otter]

I'm sure she would be dressed as Gunnhildr.

[lilac crest]

Lowkey

If one person went up top

That’d be so much pressure on one guy

If its to that guy to decide whether the raid fails or not

[buoyant hatch]

It'd cause so much salt

To the point people stop running it altogether

[lilac crest]

Lmaoooo

[buoyant hatch]

Except for sales

[lilac crest]

I mean if that one guy is good

He’d be wanted

For like every single run

[brisk quail]

Lfm castrum group.
Must have Lyon Duel Title

[lilac crest]

Lmfao

[odd yoke]

I'm still sad exaflare fucked me in my duel

[lilac crest]

Get nae naed

[odd yoke]

I went behind it

I was safe

[lilac crest]

Freaking dummy

[odd yoke]

Then the next chocobo someone FUCKING DROPPED AOES ALL AROUND ME

[lilac crest]

Oh that

[odd yoke]

And only 1 person qualified for the duel

[lilac crest]

Lmaooooo

Yeah it happens

[odd yoke]

But they just didn't do anything

I was like

[lilac crest]

Thats why I hate chocobo

[odd yoke]

BRUUUUUUH

[lilac crest]

Cause other people can fuck you up

Atleast on other places its all on you

[odd yoke]

Yeah

I can dodge all of it until people fuck me

Then it goes so slow cause everyone else dies

[open verge]

Bozja is a really good source of money

I think I’m gonna fragment farm to sell stuff

[novel furnace]

what determines the split for parties in castrum

[odd yoke]

Lyon needs 1 party up

So send a good party up, tank healer and 6 dps

Or trade a dps for a healer if you're scared

For first boss, split evenly as best as possible

So they die close together

And HP aren't too inbalaced

Then for prisoners, 1 party per direction

So you can save as many as you can

[novel furnace]

oh, ok

I was under the complete wrong impression then

[odd yoke]

I call out and get the party leaders to speak up

So i know how many parties we have

[next quarry]

What type drops reflect

[odd yoke]

Support

Sprites in area 3

[next quarry]

Ty

[open verge]

the healer coat is so sick

nice n dirty

[next quarry]

I have it with the Expeditioner's pantalettles and boots

It's similar to the GNB coat but for Casters and healers

[brisk quail]

The whole Fending set is sick

I finally have a cool hood as a tank

[viscid monolith]

I just killed about 100 chocobos and nothing spawned. Are we sure killing them spawns the Skirmish?

ARE WE SURE

[heavy crane]

Do you lose the effect of essences if you die?

[viscid monolith]

HOW MANY OF THESE FUCKING BIRDS DO I HAVE KILL

No @heavy crane

Only when you ise another Essence, swap jobs, or leave the instance

[heavy crane]

So I can go ahead and use one before loading into the castrum and it'll stick?

[viscid monolith]

Yup

[heavy crane]

Cool thanks

[viscid monolith]

Np

[lilac crest]

ayo

I just heard

death fucking works on duels

lmfao

except gabriel

[maiden lodge]

x to doubt

[lilac crest]

yeah

I just heard it but its like

what thats dumb

but apparently it does

[unreal wadi]

What

[odd yoke]

Proof or doesn't count

Always ask for proof

[gaunt star]

Yes someone is definitely going to jump into those and try not sacrificing the run at all right

[shell merlin]

I shall

[mighty light]

@gaunt star
We never saw the actual queen; we only saw the shrine maiden who was made to take her place.

[gaunt star]

right, right

[viscid monolith]

@maiden lodge Os it true killing the chocobos doesn't spawn the skirmish

[severe brook]

okay so the Lady of Blades is an eikon contained within Save the Queen

stabbing it into oneself or otherwise channeling its power summons her as a primal

[gaunt star]

Oh the weapon is called Save The Queen? I think I completely missed that

[severe brook]

there's a chance that the sword Save the Queen is another Eurekan creation, similar to Zantetsuken and the Lance of Virtue

[gaunt star]

My game crashed so I must've missed a cutscene where that came up 💀

[severe brook]

as they have similar behaviors, being weapon-shaped primals that temper their hosts and transform them into pseudo-primals themselves

it'd been mentioned before by the Wandering Dramaturge, but i think it was easy to miss

also the timeline for it being a Eurekan creation would add up, as the sword had been taken from the Allagans when they were fighting the Bozjans, and Eureka had been in Allag's possession for a time

[gaunt star]

Right, this all tracks so far - I recently decided to make one of my oc's bozjan so I'm really just trying to soak in all the bozjan lore I can get so I really appreciate you going over this for me dgjdhjf

[severe brook]

np

i'm also still predicting that Misija will end up fully merging with the Lady of Blades to become Asura later but we'll have to wait and see

[gaunt star]

Honestly though Misija is a massive bitch

[sterile moat]

are we talking shit of misija?

[gaunt star]

LMAO

Ok this is a solid take

[maiden lodge]

@maiden lodge Os it true killing the chocobos doesn't spawn the skirmish
@viscid monolith

I dunno but I suspect not.

[sterile moat]

pretty sure it does cause i saw a group farming them and it popped right after

[mighty light]

TBF like
That's a really uncharitable take on the characters

[maiden lodge]

I mean, it's also popped when absolutely assnoone is even close to farming them

[sterile moat]

ofc, but someone else also confirmed it spawning while they farmed chocobos nearby

@north fulcrum iirc

[maiden lodge]

Yes but if it pops when no one is farming them then farming them isn't the trigger

If it spawned only when people are farming them then we might be onto something. You test it by NOT farming them and seeing if it pops.

[severe brook]

we really are Stormblood 4

[sterile moat]

they're on a timer like everything is, it's also a fact we started seeing CEs north once people started farming mobs there

[maiden lodge]

We also have people in here reporting they've farmed it for a ton of time with no pop

We started seeing CEs north because you don't see CEs before you have mettle to reach it.

And CEs aren't triggered by farming mobs, they're triggered by skirmishes.

[sterile moat]

you know we have hundreds of rank 10s since day 1 right?

[maiden lodge]

You know we already know which skirmish triggers every CE right?

[sterile moat]

it's not something exactly rare or hard to get

yes

[subtle pasture]

T-they call Gunnhildr's personal arm, "Save the Queen" multiple times...

late to that lore talk but w/e

[sterile moat]

we do

[maiden lodge]

If people are chilling south, and doing skirmishes there, they trigger CEs south.

[sterile moat]

we know which skirmishes spawn CEs

[maiden lodge]

If they're north farming, they're more likely to join skirmishes north.

I mean you have a testable hypothesis.

[sterile moat]

you've had rank 10 people doing every single skirmish north, only when people started farming mobs we started seeing CEs up north consistently

compared to day 1 where we'd see one once in a blue moon

[maiden lodge]

If farming mobs triggers skirmishes, don't farm those mobs and see if skirmishes trigger. The Red choco skirmish has triggered before -anyone- was farming mobs, chocos or otherwise. You have a test.

When did you start noticing CEs triggering north?

And then, answer... When did you hit rank 8 and finish the quest to access the north?

I noticed Skirmies north day 1.

[sterile moat]

skirmishes were always there

[maiden lodge]

Right

[sterile moat]

CEs never until day 2 ish

[maiden lodge]

So are you saying that skirmies that we know trigger CEs were not triggering CEs they normally trigger?

When did you hit rank 8?

[sterile moat]

this was 2 days after

what?

[subtle pasture]

those one's spawn simultaenously btw

[maiden lodge]

When. Did. You. Hit. Rank. 8?

[subtle pasture]

like patriot games and fires of war

[sterile moat]

like 3 hours after the patch

[maiden lodge]

Okay.

[sterile moat]

i'm not saying CE triggers weren't triggering CEs

[maiden lodge]

Have you ever, at all, ever, seen a skirmish that triggers a CE not trigger its CE?

Yes you are.

[sterile moat]

no i'm not

that doesn't even make sense

[maiden lodge]

No it doesn't, that's what I'm trying to tell you

You're claiming CEs didn't show up until day 2 (and you're wrong but whatever)

[sterile moat]

what the fuck are you even talking about?

north CEs popped once in a blue moon because their trigger skirmishes didn't appear

[maiden lodge]

Which means that either the skirmishes to trigger them didn't show up until day 2 (which you've denied) or the skirmishes didn't trigger the CEs. There's no third option here.

[sterile moat]

compared to now where they're always up

that's what i said

[maiden lodge]

Either you guys were doing the skirmies day 1, or you were not. If you were doing the skirmies day 1 but the CEs weren't showing up that logically must mean that CEs where not triggering when their skirmishes were done doesn't it?

If you weren't doing the skirmies day 1 though then you already know why CEs weren't triggering

So which is it?

[sterile moat]

not every skirmish pops a CE

like the one where you gotta deliver the items north

[maiden lodge]

Right not all skirmies trigger CEs

But the ones that do, have been going since day 1

Are you going to say people have been farming red chocobos on day 1?

No.

[sterile moat]

the ones south and mid sure, the ones north only popped rarely

even eureka fates popped on a timer

are you being dense on purpose or what?

[maiden lodge]

Okay, now actually think why that is

[sterile moat]

i said that since the start

[maiden lodge]

I'm not being dense, for fuck sake I've given you an explanation and you want it to be something else.

[sterile moat]

they're on a timer like everything is, it's also a fact we started seeing CEs north once people started farming mobs there
@sterile moat

[maiden lodge]

Which doesn't explain how people have been doing those skirmishes since day 1

Because they have.

At least I have

[sterile moat]

yes but not the ones that pop CEs

like the math boss or the reflect mech one

[maiden lodge]

So, the CEs I did on day 1 don't count now?

On day one, in here, I posted, and I fucking quote 'Just what math boss needed--a knock back'

[sterile moat]

i did say once in a blue moon

[maiden lodge]

So please don't tell me this shit wasn't happening on day 1

[gaunt star]

It's just game. Why you have to be mad

[maiden lodge]

The reason it happens more is very simple

[gentle temple]

I remember seeing math boi mk.2 on day 1 also.

[maiden lodge]

more people are rank 10

[sterile moat]

dude, shit's on a timer

[maiden lodge]

It's not complicated

[sterile moat]

doesn't mean you can't farm trigger mobs

just like you did on eureka

[maiden lodge]

more people are rank 8+ on day 4 than on day 1 holy shit we cracked the case

Right but you're making the claim it's mob farming

But, as evidence

[sterile moat]

i swear you sometimes just want to be dense for the sake of it

[maiden lodge]

I present red chocobos, who've been a meme since people hit rank 4--and ain't no one farming those bois

Do you have evidence it's mob farming or not?

Other than your inability to understand that more shit pops north when more people do it?

[sterile moat]

what part of a timer do you not understand?

[maiden lodge]

What part of that's a nonsequitur do YOU not understand?

What part of test your fucking hypothesis

Are you not getting here?

I'm telling you, it's been tested

We have evidence it doesn't work that way

[gaunt star]

Is everyone having a heated gamer moment tonight

[maiden lodge]

#motherfuckingDealWithIt

[gentle temple]

Eh, it's normal.

[maiden lodge]

Stop spreading misinformation

[gentle temple]

So wait, is the argument here that the skirmishes weren't triggering because mobs weren't being killed, rather than because there was no one of an appropriate level to access the area the spawn in?

[maiden lodge]

Dan is claiming Bozja works like eureka.

I'm saying we already know it does not.

[gentle temple]

I've seen no evidence of that.

[sterile moat]

people have been on north area since day 1

[maiden lodge]

And CEs were popping on day 1

[gentle temple]

It looks like the fates just randomly spawn like in the overworld.

[maiden lodge]

And more people are on north area now doing skirmishes

and more CEs are popping

<surprisedpikachu.png>

[gentle temple]

Right.

[maiden lodge]

Now you have a hypothesis and there is a test for that hypothesis

[sterile moat]

we've been doing skirmishes since day 1

like fuck i was soloing them

in a instance

[maiden lodge]

If mob kills trigger skirmishes, then certain skirmishes should not trigger when those mobs aren't farmed

And to test this

[gentle temple]

Like, we know that Castrum doesn't spawn unless there's enough people high enough to access it.

[sterile moat]

and getting that exp alone

[maiden lodge]

You use red chocobos, which people don't regularly farm because there's no reason to

[gentle temple]

So it stands to reason that the rest of the instance would work along similar logic.

[sterile moat]

yet i've never seen as many north CEs as we see now

explain that then

[maiden lodge]

Yeah because more people are level 10 now doing skrimishes north

[gentle temple]

Because there's more people that can get north.

[maiden lodge]

It's not fucking rocket science bud

[sterile moat]

every single skirmish was dying north before too

and yet CEs weren't popping

explain that

[maiden lodge]

More people doing skirmishes = more CEs trigger holy shit do we need to get the scooby gang on this?

So you're claiming skirmishes were being done that pop CEs but they're not popping CEs?

[sterile moat]

ah yes

[gentle temple]

The way regular fates work is that there can be a certain number up at once, and you need to do those to get more to spawn.

[sterile moat]

the evidence out of the ass too

let's stay with that then

[maiden lodge]

Dan, I'm trying to figure out your fucking story here.

You're contradicting yourself

Take a deep breath

[sterile moat]

what?

[maiden lodge]

I asked you a question -so we can test your hypothesis- and you've claimed simultaneously that all the skirmishes were being done, with no CEs popped AND that skirmishes that pop CEs were always popping those CEs.

May I present another hypothesis?

You weren't paying enough fucking attention

[sterile moat]

I asked you a question -so we can test your hypothesis- and you've claimed simultaneously that all the skirmishes were being done, with no CEs popped AND that skirmishes that pop CEs were always popping those CEs.
@maiden lodge THEY

WEREN'T

POPPING

fucking hell

my god

[slim egret]

There's no need to be so mean

[sterile moat]

stop and read for once

[gentle temple]

They also don't show up in your register if you can't get to them.

I don't think?

[sterile moat]

i've been rank 10+ since hours after the patch

[maiden lodge]

Dan, I literally asked you if you were saying CEs weren't popping after skirmishes were done

[sterile moat]

I TOLD

[maiden lodge]

And you said 'no.'

[sterile moat]

YOU THEY WEREN'T POPPING

[north fulcrum]

[maiden lodge]

SO

DAN

[sterile moat]

holy fucking hell man

[slim egret]

I'm convinced that kawaiian is a troll

He just makes people mad lol

[north fulcrum]

Mommy daddy step bro stop fighting

[sterile moat]

the skirmishes that pop CEs weren't popping while the ones that always pop were

do you understand now?

[maiden lodge]

When I fucking asked you 'dude, are you saying that skirmishes that are supposed to pop CEs weren't actually popping them' and you got fucking buttmad and butthurt, instead of answering the question, you don't think that's entirely on you?

[sterile moat]

do you need a drawing?

[maiden lodge]

Okay, except, I know those skirmishes were

Because, again

I remarked on it in this very room on day 1 about those skirmishes

So

revisit your hypothesis

[sterile moat]

that's why i said

[gentle temple]

He's not a troll, just opinionated.
In this case I agree with him, though.

[sterile moat]

those skirmishes were popping once in a blue moon

cause some people saw them

i sure fucking didn't until recently

[gaunt star]

skirmishes give you an error if someone in your party doesnt meet the requirement saying they dont have appropriate quest progress meaning seeing them is area linked, not everyonr rushed

[maiden lodge]

Have you ruled out your lack of attention?

[sterile moat]

where they're almost fucking up

[maiden lodge]

And bear in mind--that still doesn't mean mob farming is what's making it happen

Like do you not get that?

Have you ruled out more people are level 8+ now?

[sterile moat]

numbers 16 and 17, always never up even though 18 19 13 14 and 15 are almost always up

[gaunt star]

Critical engagements rather, not skirmishes.

[maiden lodge]

Well skirmishes don't show either until you can access that area of the map

[sterile moat]

16 and 17 pop CEs on completion

[gaunt star]

Oh you mean those

[maiden lodge]

Okay. So have you seen 17 pop when no one is farming the mobs in those areas?

[gaunt star]

It could be rank quantity

Idk

[unreal wadi]

I like seeing where the Bozja Citadel once was

[sterile moat]

people tend to pull mech mobs into the fate

[unreal wadi]

from Olena's stand

[maiden lodge]

Yeah they tend to pull mobs into every fate, that means fuck all

[unreal wadi]

Also some NPCs

[sterile moat]

they're mech mobs dying that aren't fate mobs

[unreal wadi]

in fates

do a fuckton of damage

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, that happens in every fate

That happens in eureka

[unreal wadi]

May I remind you

[maiden lodge]

'someone pulled a dragon to batman' doesn't mean dragons trigger batman, use some sense man

[unreal wadi]

of the DRK using Tekka Gokken

[sterile moat]

so far what i've seen is that killing mech mobs pops the 17

[slim egret]

Cluster farming south also is right next to math boss fate so while cluster farming, we will sometimes just be chased by the math boss at the same time lmao

[unreal wadi]

The BRD using LB3

[maiden lodge]

So, people pulling mobs into 17 once it pops means that those mobs triggered 17?

Do you not know how cause and effect work, sir?

[sterile moat]

that's not what i said

[maiden lodge]

No, hwat you said was avoiding my quesiton

[sterile moat]

i said people killing mech mobs

[gaunt star]

That could be possible considering cluster farming is always going on now but I'm not entirely sure

[sterile moat]

not pulling mobs into 17

[maiden lodge]

Have you ever seen 17 pop when no one is farming the mobs at 17?

That's the actual test.

[rain onyx]

Pretty sure, yes.

[gaunt star]

It could be mobs in the general area

So cluster farmers would pop it

[slim egret]

Do we even know what triggers each skirmish yet

[maiden lodge]

But, again, if killing mobs en masse did trigger the fates that give CEs, we'd have seen less CEs in all zones on day 1 because no one was god damn farming mobs they were on the mettle train

[slim egret]

I got to r10 day 1 and 2, people were still killing mobs before cluster farming

They drop memories

[unreal wadi]

yeah, the mobs drop memories every so often

[grand parcel]

so can someone give me a fact check on the story for bozja or is that for lore-spoilers?

[maiden lodge]

I know they drop memories, I was the one who first tested them for bitters here

[unreal wadi]

go ahead

@grand parcel

[subtle pasture]

whaddaya need

[maiden lodge]

But day 1, people were doing HW shit for memories, and convincing people Bozja stuff was viable for it was pulling teeth.

[unreal wadi]

Im still in bozja because the gear could be used for my glam

[gaunt star]

YES

[unreal wadi]

I also want construct mount

[gaunt star]

the gear gives me life

[unreal wadi]

gabriel

[slim egret]

Bozja way better than hw for fates if u do that cluster farming method where the party splits into 3 zones

[gaunt star]

I do know that being in a locked instance alone spawns fuck all

[slim egret]

I made like 16 in like an hour lol

[unreal wadi]

before you say I should just buy gabriel

bitch

[gaunt star]

I got overly lucky and got Gabriel in 3 lockboxes

Skirmish activity plays a part but I can't say for mobs

[maiden lodge]

It took my 40th before I got gabrial? Probably more.

[unreal wadi]

my gil is going into my house renovation

[maiden lodge]

Mobs don't drop lockboxes or field notes

So they're irrelevant to lockboxes

[unreal wadi]

Im missing 5 lockboxes

5 field records*

[grand parcel]

So basically save the queen is basically another Zantetsuken, another primal sword?

[unreal wadi]

Sorta...

[gaunt star]

There are like 3 fates that cycle without player activity

[maiden lodge]

The sword may not be a primal.

[gaunt star]

In each zone

[grand parcel]

and they gave it to a shrine maiden to lead as queen and then they realized 'Fuck we got a primal' and had to kill her.

[unreal wadi]

In a sense, its like Ysayle becoming Shiva

[maiden lodge]

But it may be a powerful item such as the ones the Kojin have. It has mnemonic aether in it, and it's the source of a lot of faith and belief in Bozjan culture. Thus it's entirely possible that is all that is necessary for Misija to twist the sword into summoning the primal.

[slim egret]

Bozja story started really boring but at the end became 100% more interesting

[unreal wadi]

Im wanting more @slim egret

and i wanna save the blades

[gaunt star]

That cliffhanger is sick

[maiden lodge]

Also I took a break from bozja and I have a question

Are the blades still running about as NPCs after you do CLL or do you see other dudes instead?

[unreal wadi]

still NPCs

[odd yoke]

Same people

[maiden lodge]

Wierd.

[unreal wadi]

I mean

not everyone has finished

CLL

[maiden lodge]

Well no, but they might have done some client-side phasing where the same mob appears with a different name based on progress.

[slim egret]

I could argue that the majority of the playerbase hasn't touched CLL yet

[maiden lodge]

But, I'm not going to complain about it

[unreal wadi]

You're also not wrong @slim egret

Still see players at 1 - 5

[next quarry]

The story is really interesting

[maiden lodge]

They might not be able to do it with named mobs the same way they can with terrain though

[unreal wadi]

Because there are named enemies

and other characters like

Liofi

& her monoceros

[maiden lodge]

pours one out for Liofi

[unreal wadi]

I gotta say though

[slim egret]

We will save them all in like a year

[unreal wadi]

Im happy they added field records