retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[slim egret]

its so fun

[cobalt ingot]

they can

[gentle lynx]

so people there are typically pretty good

[cobalt ingot]

but you still get vuln

[slim egret]

i love chaotic fights

[odd yoke]

You still get vuln

[viscid monolith]

Oh I see

They thought ahead

[gentle lynx]

Red Comet fight is fun as hell

[cobalt ingot]

still good for the people just wanting to get the CE done

[slim egret]

i love

patriot games too

[lilac crest]

Patriot aint that chaotic

Its pretty easy

[gentle lynx]

Patriot is ez

[slim egret]

i know but the mechanic is pretty fun

[gentle lynx]

as soon as you figure out hwo to read the lasers

[cobalt ingot]

ok so how do you figure out which one isn't gonna fire

I noticed the one with two tethers always does

[lilac crest]

The one that doesnt light up

[viscid monolith]

So if you stand directly under a meteor with reflect you do like 200k to Comet?

[slim egret]

two tethers = fire. one tether will add a red light

[cobalt ingot]

the red screen?

[gentle lynx]

There's two lights over each set of lasers

[slim egret]

if theres one tether on the red light, then itll fire

[gentle lynx]

those are basically the batteries

[slim egret]

each side requires two tethers to fire

[gentle lynx]

every line charges up one

Two tethers basically instant charge the laser, so it fires

if it's 1 tether, it'll charge up from zero, and fire if from 1 light

hence why the first shot is only 1 cannon

[cobalt ingot]

Oh I see

I was just following everyone to safety but couldn't figure it out myself

[gentle lynx]

lol

that usually works :v

[slim egret]

i wasnt planning on playing today but this discussion made me wanna play

ima grind my smn using boz

[gentle lynx]

all my classes were already 80 :v

[wary pond]

hardest CE is the one with many blms
had groups fail dps check there

[slim egret]

:(

[wary pond]

not joking

[slim egret]

i never did that one

[lilac crest]

Huh

Flames of war?

[gentle lynx]

The two seperate detachment fights are hard as nails

[odd yoke]

The one with bombs and shit?

[lilac crest]

Aint that one easy

[wary pond]

yes

[vernal haven]

BLM and content they don't understand oof

[gentle lynx]

or rather, they have wipe conditions

[odd yoke]

I've only seen wipes there cause people dont kill the right bomb

To make a safe point

[lilac crest]

Lmaooo

[slim egret]

the dps checks in boz arent too hard

[gentle lynx]

i did the bomb thing once and wiped

[slim egret]

One person did 25% to lyon in castrum

[lilac crest]

Lmaooo what

Oh lost slash?

[odd yoke]

Just be good

[gentle lynx]

it was hilarious, we had like 48 people in queue, then it actually popped and we were left with 12

[odd yoke]

KekW

[slim egret]

[half phoenix]

I think i’ve only seen metal fox once, in the 3 days i’ve had access to the north. Because i swear most people rank 10+ just afk waiting for castrum -_-

[lilac crest]

Thats me

[wary pond]

!wl @odd yoke

[lusty shadow]

Vinyl Tails of Odin

FFLogs Data

Ramuh

Summoner: (1948/17097) [18790 DPS] [95 Historical] [8:18]

Ifrit and Garuda

Summoner: (1650/14451) [17865 DPS] [96 Historical] [8:37]

The Idol of Darkness

Summoner: (408/12491) [18327 DPS] [97 Historical] [9:45]

Shiva

Summoner: (537/8158) [16048 DPS] [96 Historical] [13:08]

The Epic of Alexander

Summoner: (1508/2378) [12316 DPS] [36 Historical] [17:32]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse. Use !classlogs for more detailed information and more report links. Classes limited to 4 per boss.

[soft gyro]

dps check is so hard, cause none of the sides in bozja cant do enough damage, so whilst we hit 0% on the top, the bottom is at 75%

[lilac crest]

I barely see fox

But it aint too hard

[gentle lynx]

Fox is really rare

[odd yoke]

Bruh dont expose me

[gentle lynx]

i think it's just the spawn requirement

[wary pond]

i wanna see

[gentle lynx]

supposedly you have to kill those blue dragon things

[viscid monolith]

Just bring slash for the BLM CE

[half phoenix]

They aren’t rare though, most have spawn triggers, like eureka

[slim egret]

those are some nice parses

[gentle lynx]

but who really dedicates time to go farm those monitor

s

[half phoenix]

Hell metal fox leads to a duel

[vernal haven]

Spearya with the fflogs attack

[lilac crest]

I havent had a nice parse since stormblood

Or like week 1 eden gate

[viscid monolith]

MCH + Slash = massacre

[lilac crest]

I just havent been playing

[odd yoke]

I haven't been in raids since we cleared tea

Scheduling is ass

[gentle lynx]

i can't be asked to do Ultimate

[viscid monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/598275081986113539/766436466279841804/unknown.png

[lilac crest]

LOOOL

[gentle lynx]

Savage already busts my balls and that's with a static

[lilac crest]

Thats a whole LB

[gentle lynx]

oh that's some juicy damage

[viscid monolith]

This is an aoe with no drop off btw

[odd yoke]

We took awayyyy too long on Tea

[gentle lynx]

Insert Phil Swift from Flex Tape meme here

[lilac crest]

I would do TEA but my ass gets tired of prog

Like 2 weeks or more

I’d end up broke

From buyijg pots

[gentle lynx]

i liked 'watching' people prog TEA, i have no interest in actually progging ult

[slim egret]

im still new to savage raiding, this is my first tier im actually kinda taking seriously

[gentle lynx]

10+ minute hyper complex fight where 8 people can't mess up even once during it? NO THANKS

[odd yoke]

I want more Tea weapons

But we're pepega and scheduling is ass

[gentle lynx]

i'll stick with Savage

and even savage gets soul draining on the last fight

[slim egret]

LR

[odd yoke]

I hope next tier is goood

[gentle lynx]

nah my static actually cleared LR pretty fast

[odd yoke]

And not soul Sundering LR

[cobalt ingot]

my tea prog died at the very start of wormhole

[slim egret]

im still progging e8s cause i started this tier super late but LR took us couple weeks to learn

[cobalt ingot]

it's like people saw the future and just quit ahead

[gentle lynx]

KB mirrors and the parts following though...

[slim egret]

im on icelit now

[odd yoke]

I think we died on stillness morw than wormhole

Cause le memes

[gentle lynx]

i'm reminded of GoldenTot's TEA vid

[odd yoke]

Bruh ask any player to stop moving for a second and you just watch as 80% of the raid dies

[cobalt ingot]

I died to pyretic today

I swear it lasts 10 seconds

[odd yoke]

Pyretic from the Dice skill

[gentle lynx]

Guy: "No i didn't die to Stillness"
Tate: (checks parser) "It says you died to Ordained Stillness and you're the only one who did"
Guy: (Scream of anguish)

[odd yoke]

Stillness/pyretic are the best memes

[gentle lynx]

Pyretic gives me bad vibes

[half phoenix]

Next to ice floors and people who refuse to stand still for 5 seconds

[gentle lynx]

Though really anything that forces you to just stop gives me bad vibes

Extreme Caution, baby

[half phoenix]

Like, seriously people, every class has a ranged attack, except mnk who gets a gap closer, just use them when the floors ice if you’re out of range

[wary pond]

i hate extreme caution with a passion

[uncut tide]

Imo forced march/mindjack is worse

[wary pond]

its really scary mech

[uncut tide]

Losing control of your character sucks

[wary pond]

for the likes of me

[half phoenix]

But no, they have to move, then slide into the edge of the arena -_-

[odd yoke]

Nah i dont mind Mindjack studf

[gentle lynx]

You can control where you march or where the finger points though

though yeah Mindjack sucks because it's, like, a different skillset

[wary pond]

just tap front til arrow point front?

easy

[slim egret]

ok so i watched the guide video on metal fox and wow its so much easier than it looks

lol

[odd yoke]

Rotate camera then walk forward

[gentle lynx]

it really is

[random anvil]

Bladewolf is omega easy.

[uncut tide]

Don't have a problem with the mechanic at all

Just losing control of your character sucks

[half phoenix]

At least they give us enough time on mindjack to see what direction it’s turning so use it to dodge the laser cleave

[uncut tide]

I'm OK with it if you failed mechanics

[random anvil]

someone said to look at which lazers he shoots at first and cleared it first try

then died to Mageman afterwards

[odd yoke]

The concept is easy, they're reflecting the boss attacks as lasers

[gentle lynx]

anyway i'm gonna go sleep, should've listened to Papa Franku from the start, christ what a waste of time and emotional energy that was

[odd yoke]

Just the safe zones are tiny as fuck when he does satellite laser and fire all at once

[gentle lynx]

Just go to the edge for Satellite laser, it's pretty safe

[viscid monolith]

The safe zones are kinda hard to judge

[wary pond]

the lasers are wide

yes

[gentle lynx]

anyway, bye

[odd yoke]

Like i got my X axis sorted..
Correct for Y axis aaaaaaand clipped

[wary pond]

i doubt current way of duels change

but maybe new bozja will fix it?

[odd yoke]

Depending what they do outside the new dungeon thing

[slim egret]

i feel like theyll add a new zone

[wary pond]

i bet they gonna put duels there still

[slim egret]

or more ranks

[odd yoke]

I kinda doubt new zones cause then that kinda follows a problem with eureka

With splitting the playerbase

And making zones dead

[slim egret]

do you think itll be zone > big raid > zone> big raid

as a pattern of release

[wary pond]

maybe the current zone will be expanded

[odd yoke]

I think they'll expand the south front to that mysterious pin south

And have it there

[wary pond]

but idk how old pcs will handle it

[slim egret]

that would be pretty cool

[odd yoke]

If you get high you can kinda see it

Remember: Bojza is where dalamud fell

[slim egret]

i think the raid is gonna be queueable too

[odd yoke]

With the meteor project

[slim egret]

and not have to be triggered

[odd yoke]

Maybe

[soft gyro]

how long does item essences last?

[odd yoke]

They said its Ba 2.0

Essenses are permanent until you swap or leave

[cobalt ingot]

essences last forever

[slim egret]

the 48man is but theres gonna be an easier 24 man to

[wary pond]

oh yes

[slim egret]

*too

[wary pond]

i see dalamud spot

[slim egret]

i think bozja has a lot more potential than eureka

[odd yoke]

I think the 24man might be like Castrum in a sense...but the savage one with a trigger

[slim egret]

theyre improving on the formula

[odd yoke]

Yeah

[slim egret]

yeah that sounds plausible

[odd yoke]

I do like the CE queing

[slim egret]

CEs are like trials

some are even harder

which i love

[odd yoke]

Especially since yoy can be doing something else and que up

You're not having to go our of your way or risk missing something cause you're late

[wary pond]

tbh CEs are what fates should be

[half phoenix]

No

[odd yoke]

Or how Super fates

Just without a limit

[wary pond]

so u dont cheese everything by throwing more ppl at it

[half phoenix]

If fates were like CEs then no next to no one would bother with fates

[odd yoke]

People dont unless there's a relic being attached to it

Or event like yokai

[dim sigil]

There would have to be some sort of substantial reward for doing

[slim egret]

I think if they add CEs to newer zones

It'll really revive the over world

[half phoenix]

Besides they’re going to HAVE to nerf CEs sooner or later

[odd yoke]

CEs already scale

[slim egret]

It already scales to the number of people

[dim sigil]

150% echo buff

[wary pond]

they already scale

[half phoenix]

To a degree

[odd yoke]

They're still killable with 8

And goes as fast as if you were full

[dim sigil]

what about 1

[wary pond]

there is already a guy who soloed math boss

[odd yoke]

^

[random anvil]

Bro why do the 1v1s have a cooldown

[half phoenix]

I’ve seen an 8 man wipe in a CE and it fail, about 10 times now

[slim egret]

Is there a video of the math boss solo

[odd yoke]

Because they're fucking trash

And can't do mechanics

[half phoenix]

Different 8 mans

[cobalt ingot]

CEs don't even enrage do they?

[odd yoke]

Do 👏 the 👏 mechanics

[dim sigil]

bo

[odd yoke]

Not that we know, no

[dim sigil]

no

[wary pond]

only 24 ones

have enrage

[cobalt ingot]

so yeah just do the 3 mechanics and use the broken stuff

I've seen so many people without the lost action buff (meaning that they don't even have them equipped) and it makes me depressed

[random anvil]

Math boss should do math more; why he just spin all the time

[dim sigil]

For the bomb one we wiped one time last night because for some reason everybody decided to split up and attack a different bomb

[lilac crest]

finally had a decent group that didnt bait on safe spots

[half phoenix]

Also it’d be nice for the paired CEs if you couldn’t queue for both at the same time

[wary pond]

gl making it past 2 mins

[lilac crest]

lmaooo

[soft gyro]

welp, top is also low dps again

[lilac crest]

is there a video guide up or a text guide?

[random anvil]

hope you got Manaward

[soft gyro]

in castrum

[odd yoke]

Yes

[slim egret]

Man I love the main villains of bozja

[lilac crest]

I didnt get fucking chosen

[slim egret]

Lyons cool

[lilac crest]

out of 2 people that made it

[maiden lodge]

The low dps is always the side I'm not on

[lilac crest]

I still lsot the 50/50 chance

[half phoenix]

When is lyon even introduced???

[random anvil]

melee dps need some setup

[gaunt star]

ppl always wanna do weird split in first boss

instead of 50/50

[lilac crest]

I was planning on going as whm anyway

not as drg

[wary pond]

also btw lyon changes the order of mechs @odd yoke

[odd yoke]

Lyon is introduced with bojza

[lilac crest]

I heard melee was wack for duels

[odd yoke]

Yeah we know

[cobalt ingot]

watch the guy chosen die to the first mechanic

[random anvil]

even whm needs manaward

[cobalt ingot]

isn't it fun

[wary pond]

he did double quakes early

to a friend

[half phoenix]

He just comes out of nowhere in the rank 9 quest like we already know who he is

[lilac crest]

he's dead 1 min in

LOOOOL

[odd yoke]

He can pick and choose what Heart of nature he does

After the buster

[slim egret]

||Gabranth|| is the main villain

[lilac crest]

not that I'd do any better tbh

[random anvil]

Lyon does Braver and you gotta tank it

[lilac crest]

but I wanna be chosen for a duel

[cobalt ingot]

you should go prepared man

[wary pond]

i was lucky he didnt to me

[lilac crest]

yeah

[wary pond]

[cobalt ingot]

I only got in one duel and I wasn't prepared

and now I'm sad

[wary pond]

in my clear

[lilac crest]

I was getting dispel and manaward

when I saw the duel

[soft gyro]

welp, so sad, we literally cant do anything in bottom cause top is doing no dps

[lilac crest]

and swapping to whm

[odd yoke]

I think lyon was talked about at the end of thw relic step last time or something

[cobalt ingot]

you can continue to do things in bottom just fine

[slim egret]

I really hope they focus more on lyon

Next patch

He seems cool

[cobalt ingot]

if bottom boss dies, you just get to kill packs of mobs forever until top finishes

[slim egret]

He doesent seem like a bad guy either

[cobalt ingot]

and if the big bad enrage dude comes down, you can just lost death him

[odd yoke]

Until a colouss spawns

[slim egret]

Like a grey villain

[odd yoke]

Then death

[gaunt star]

The way Lyon was talking I was expecting any moment to see a dramatic cut of a sword through his gut

[odd yoke]

If anyone has it

[soft gyro]

wait, you can lost death the enrage dude?

[cobalt ingot]

yep

[gaunt star]

I've heard you can yeah

[cobalt ingot]

just have people spread out and spam it

[wary pond]

idk if castrum make other CEs not pop or what

been 3 hours

and no duel popped

[gaunt star]

Lyon for class tutor

[uncut tide]

Also does anyone have a YouTube vid of the cutscene after you beat castrum?

[slim egret]

Which enrage guy are you guys talking about?

Lyon?

[cobalt ingot]

colossus

[gaunt star]

I think the duel ces have to be triggered by players doing stuff

[slim egret]

Oh

[cobalt ingot]

first boss in castrum

[slim egret]

Lost death feels so good to use

Lol

One shot the executioner's

[cobalt ingot]

I got 5/6 prisoners with 26 people earlier today

so close

[random anvil]

Lost death as RDM seems op

[slim egret]

I got 6/6 twice but I join organized runs in eureka discords

[random anvil]

got 6/6 with a pug once

miracle

[gaunt star]

Death lines up with swift

[cobalt ingot]

as long as you have enough people it shouldn't be bad, they just need to pick different routes

[gaunt star]

Any caster is good

[cobalt ingot]

but with 26 only I was surprised with 5

[wary pond]

u only need 4 ppl at each spot

[gaunt star]

I only got 3/6 in one run yesterday with 48 people

[wary pond]

to get 6 prisonerssaved

[gaunt star]

big ecksdee

[wary pond]

24 ppl can do it

[soft gyro]

castrum is so boring

[random anvil]

lmfao

[slim egret]

I love castrum lol

I wish they designed more dungeons like it

[tardy copper]

Castrum is boring for noobs

[soft gyro]

wdym boring for noobs

its boring for endgame cause we cant be good at deeps

we have to do nothing

[cobalt ingot]

feels like a proper hard mode dungeon

[gaunt star]

real endgame is taking suicidal lost actions and trying to survive

[slim egret]

I really hope SE makes more stuff like castrum because it is puggable and it seems like the design is working out

[odd yoke]

Chocobo spawned...now to fuck my chances

[slim egret]

Gl

[wary pond]

not cleared all vinyl?

[open verge]

3rd clear

Got the aiming and healer tops

[slim egret]

Nicee

[odd yoke]

I haven't got.into a duel

[slim egret]

I want the augmented stuff from castrum soni can sell it

[odd yoke]

After day 1

[cobalt ingot]

I finished getting the caster set but never seen the upgrade boxes

[wary pond]

rip

[odd yoke]

Fucking only Gabriel spawns

Barely see others

[slim egret]

Red chocobo spawns lyon

I think

[odd yoke]

Yeah

I rarely see the CEs spawn

[open verge]

You could sell but would anyone buy

[slim egret]

I think so

I've been selling the lost frags from castrum

[wary pond]

oh blm will pop soon

[gaunt star]

I got chest augment last night

[slim egret]

For 50 k a pop

[wary pond]

i see blm fate

with gold colossus

[gaunt star]

ppl were saying good luck on last chest

[slim egret]

I've made 4 mil from selling frags so far

[wary pond]

[slim egret]

Lol

[soft gyro]

welp, we wiped on castrum

again

top was low dps

[gaunt star]

and I was like yea I don't think it drops anything exce- nevermind

[uncut tide]

What frags are you selling?

Just everything?

[slim egret]

I sell everything but the cheaper ones is where I make the most money

[uncut tide]

Or castrum ones

[slim egret]

The most commons ones I sell in bulk 2-5 k each

Castrum ones sell

But they require some patience

And gotta watch mb

[cobalt ingot]

can't bring myself to sell frags, I wanna unlock all the stuff lol

[slim egret]

It's usually one person that buys all my castrum frags lol

[maiden lodge]

I could probably make soem bank converting clusters to cautions for contesters of 1v1s

[rain onyx]

I buy skill fragments because I love keeping up Aetherweaver

The rest I pretty much get myself

[slim egret]

Im saving up construct 14

He sells for 5 mil

And he actually sells

[dim sigil]

You can get him in like an hour

[uncut tide]

Just cluster farm

[slim egret]

That's what I've been doing

I got one for myself

[uncut tide]

Oh lol

[slim egret]

Getting another one to sell

[uncut tide]

Yeah make sense

[open verge]

He sells for 3 mil on my server

I could have gotten a second but I spent it all of frags for the achievement

[odd yoke]

2/1

GOT.IT

[open verge]

[tardy copper]

Bozja gear seems to be mostly just for glam, you don’t need that extra boost unless you do duels plus next patch will bring craftable ilvl 500 gear

[soft gyro]

next patch? as in?

5.37?

[cobalt ingot]

5.4

early december

[soft gyro]

hmm, so crafted gear isnt higher than savage gear then

[slim egret]

I thought it was higher

[soft gyro]

like 520 or 530

[slim egret]

Isn't neo ishgardian like 480

[maiden lodge]

510 probably.

Not that the actual number matters

[cobalt ingot]

neo-ishgardian is 480, upgradeable to 490

[soft gyro]

for savage it does

[cobalt ingot]

crafter gear is mostly to get that extra edge for week 1 savage

[gaunt star]

It will be 510

[slim egret]

Can you clear first in the tier with savage gear?

[cobalt ingot]

eventually people get the raid gear and replace it

[slim egret]

This is my first tier so I'm still learning

[gaunt star]

You can clear first few floors with old savage bis yeah

Good teams can clear the third floor

[dim sigil]

How do we feel about people who use Death to kill star mobs

[gaunt star]

Bad teams will struggle with first

[soft gyro]

nothing about it

[gaunt star]

But for most at least the first floor should be possible without crafted

[soft gyro]

as long as everyone gets one hit of the mob, its fine

[cobalt ingot]

pretty sure if you death a mob only your party gets rewards

[tardy copper]

I wonder how much a full set of craftable gear is during week one for savage

[cobalt ingot]

everyone else that hit it gets fuck all

[gaunt star]

very expensive

ppl price gouge

[slim egret]

Yeah that's why I was asking if we can use savage gear

[gaunt star]

Though it also goes down quickly now that everyone and their dog is an omni

[soft gyro]

also they sell alot of it

[odd yoke]

FUCK EXAFLAREA

[slim egret]

I haven't lvled any of my crafters get and I'm so lazy

[cobalt ingot]

casually your bis from the previous tier will be just fine for the first two floors

[slim egret]

I heard it's really easy tho

[gaunt star]

You're probably not getting stuff much below a couple mil per piece first week

[cobalt ingot]

for the last two, you'll have to optimize your dps

but it's possible

[wary pond]

@odd yoke just dont be bad 4head

[odd yoke]

[slim egret]

Ramuh is 80k while shiva is 90 k right?

[odd yoke]

I walked behind one

[slim egret]

For dps check

[open verge]

I wonder why they decided to make hw give the things

[odd yoke]

And it hit me

[gaunt star]

last floor in last tier bis is not feasible

[slim egret]

Prolly next step of relic will be sb

And last will be shb

[cobalt ingot]

wasn't titan possible?

[wary pond]

4% at 1st 1 min of blm solo?

[gaunt star]

no

[wary pond]

his dps too low

[odd yoke]

I was 50% ree

[gaunt star]

The fastest kill in the world week 1 was 2.5% ahead of enrage on e4s

Barring one reclear speedrun that was 4% ahead

[open verge]

Did they confirm next step will be doable in 2 ways?

[cobalt ingot]

must be misremembering then, mb

[wary pond]

wtf

tornado started at 92%

no way in hell he would clear

[gaunt star]

My static got 99.5 percentile avg on the tier and had to change comp cuz we couldn't beat titan enrage

[wary pond]

and died at fkn

flame rain

not even flash over

reeeeeee

[slim egret]

What do u guys think the last boss next tier will be

[cobalt ingot]

ultimecia or griever

or both

[wary pond]

ultimecia

[tardy copper]

red chocobo

[slim egret]

I see a lot of ppl saying ultimecia

King moogle mog first floor

[tardy copper]

I wanna Edena as a trial!

[slim egret]

[cobalt ingot]

the voice in gaia is very akin to how ultimecia would manifest in edea

[lilac crest]

Inb4 zodiark is final boss

[gaunt star]

Ultimecia isn’t a primal tho

[tardy copper]

I wish Gaia would become a more central character in the main story lines, weird they just put her in for Eden

[gaunt star]

I could see Ultima itself being in Eden but not ultimecia

[cobalt ingot]

I'd like to be surprised about that too

[slim egret]

Gaia was mentioned at the end of 5.3

[cobalt ingot]

I think omega got me tired of porting villains to XIV

would be cool if it was something else

[slim egret]

I hope we get some original bosses next tier

[open verge]

We will

Nomura is confirmed to have Atleast one boss

[cobalt ingot]

midgardsormr

[open verge]

No more reusing primals tho 😩

[cobalt ingot]

with belts

[gaunt star]

What if Gaia becomes the Cloud of Darkness in Eden

[lilac crest]

Ngl

I lowkey want a chariot mount

[open verge]

Where is materia

Fishnet girl

😩

[cobalt ingot]

[lilac crest]

I’m willing to make a bet

That mech fox will be a mount

at one point

Aint no way it aint gonna be

[open verge]

Mech fox?

I think the mech spider will be a mount

[lilac crest]

The fate boss

[gaunt star]

They still need to introduce darkness into the empty (can’t remember its name) don’t they? So I could see Gaia doing a Ryne and channeling the cloud of darkness

[cobalt ingot]

what could go wrong

[lilac crest]

Eveything

[slim egret]

E8 flashbacks

[cobalt ingot]

dark rampant

[lilac crest]

Dark rampant is

[slim egret]

Cloud of darkness like the boss in world of darkness?

[lilac crest]

Light rampant

But your screen is black

And you cant see shit

[slim egret]

[vagrant sinew]

dark rampant

[earnest sedge]

Wao

Whats this forsaken 2.0

[slim egret]

Imagine when they made eden into an ultimuate

I wonder how they'll remake LR

[vagrant sinew]

oof

[lilac crest]

I wanna see them remake hello world

From omega

That shit gon go craY

[earnest sedge]

When are we get King thordans Reign (ultimate)

[lilac crest]

Prolly the next one tbh

[slim egret]

Prolly next right

[earnest sedge]

Ya

Hyped for that

I love the music of that fight so much

Like how i love locus so much

But hate it now bc TEA

[cobalt ingot]

for thordan ultimate they'll just spawn 20 eyes outside the arena

[next quarry]

We have an orchestral version of Heroes

[cobalt ingot]

you gotta find the right one

[earnest sedge]

We dooo!

[lilac crest]

Looool

[earnest sedge]

Lol

I can see that being a thing

Imagine hoe many phases that eill be

All the KoTR fight you

[slim egret]

How much knights are there?

[earnest sedge]

13

[slim egret]

Holy shit

[lilac crest]

One stays behind

Wait no

[slim egret]

That would be crazy if we get to fight all of them

[lilac crest]

I forgot

Ff has 8 people

[earnest sedge]

13

:v

I feel like we are but some are like BJ/CC style

Like how Sir Keyhead and Sir Doorknob head always fight together

[cobalt ingot]

that's a good way to remember them

[earnest sedge]

Ya

Idk their names

[slim egret]

Is ult also 5.4 or is that 5.5

[earnest sedge]

Sir Adelphonselcior of the XIV lookin ass knight names

[cobalt ingot]

5.5

when there's absolutely nothing for raiders to do

[sterile moat]

is there any info on what drops each field note?

[gaunt star]

gotta give ppl time to gear up too

[earnest sedge]

Gonna be like TEA

Where prev tier BiS is BiS

Prob

[slim egret]

I think the relic will be bis

[sterile moat]

blucob soon

[cobalt ingot]

until the fateful dungeon

[slim egret]

For final ult

[earnest sedge]

Blucob

Fuck yes

I will diamondback the exaflare

Diamondback nael quotes

Just diamond back everythinf

[gaunt star]

TEA bis was current bis

All ultimate bis is current bis for the tier

until 5 ilvl higher dungeon gear comes out

Is the ascian involved with zenos the last actual ascian now

[earnest sedge]

O right right

[gaunt star]

Oops wrong channel

[wary pond]

u cant diamondback exaflares

they do 600k

[gaunt star]

no they dont

they dont even oneshot tanks

[earnest sedge]

But but 90% of it will be mitigated

[gaunt star]

they give a 50% dmg down for 2 minutes tho

[cobalt ingot]

[earnest sedge]

Man imagine how boring it is to be a healer BLU

[wary pond]

dmd down

dmg

[earnest sedge]

Just white wind

[gaunt star]

idk how tank blu will survive golden autos tho

[earnest sedge]

Exuviation

[wary pond]

like no phoenix buff

[cobalt ingot]

is that phase even longer than 2 minutes

[wary pond]

3:45

[gaunt star]

it's just over 3

[earnest sedge]

Ya

[cobalt ingot]

ah ok, there's hope then

[gaunt star]

you get 2 uses of 3mins

[earnest sedge]

Hmm BLU tank

Yeah

U right

[gaunt star]

though now you kill it so fast you'll prolly clip the buffs

[earnest sedge]

That and prob like bypass shit with diamondback anyways

[wary pond]

i think blu wont even be able to enter ultimates

[soft gyro]

priorities https://img.thaun.dev/115wt.png

[wary pond]

but we will see

[earnest sedge]

Since its arms length + Stronger tank lb3

[sterile moat]

Man imagine how boring it is to be a healer BLU
@earnest sedge it's actually fun cause you spend more time dpsing than healing

and blu rotation is neat

[earnest sedge]

Fair

[gaunt star]

you'll prolly kill golden from half with buffed final stings

[earnest sedge]

@soft gyro should have made a macro that warns the instance that castrum is gonna pop

Lmaoooooooo

Once you get to golden just final sting

[cobalt ingot]

you just gotta shout a motivational speech everytime castrum is up

rally the soldiers

works everytime

[earnest sedge]

All convert to dps then final sting

Ya

[gaunt star]

no meme you'll probably be able to kill from 30%+

[earnest sedge]

In JP theres people who shout 15 mins before it pops

And people go "thank you!" In return

Since CE dont block castrum spawn

SE pls

no meme you'll probably be able to kill from 30%+
Can see that

[gaunt star]

buffed final sting hits about as hard as melee lb3 right

[earnest sedge]

Harder

Just like how diamondback is better than tanklb3 if you dont count the movment

So thats 8 melee lb3a

[gaunt star]

ok so maybe you can actually kill from 50%

cuz the double dmg buff doesn't affect lb

and melee lb3 does ~260k with that gear

[earnest sedge]

Melee lb is % based though remember

Final sting is not

Sooooo

[gaunt star]

%based how

[earnest sedge]

Is it not?

I thought it just removed a specific %

[gaunt star]

no

[sterile moat]

nope

[earnest sedge]

O i see so its just raw

[gaunt star]

it does a lot different dmg per fight

it's like less than 1% on shiva

[earnest sedge]

Ohhhhhhhh I see

Ty btw TIL

[gaunt star]

but like 2% on golden

[earnest sedge]

I c

[gaunt star]

actually looks like you'd still "only" be able to kill it from 30%

but that's pretty hilarious to be able to do

[wary pond]

ty game dc at 29% red choco

[polar star]

I wouldn't risk it till like 20%

[wary pond]

fuck u game

[soft gyro]

dw you got time

[polar star]

because then you waste 12 kinutes

[soft gyro]

its at 20% now

[wary pond]

i died

took 4 vuln

[earnest sedge]

I was clearing another castrum then my power in my house cuts for 1 second...

Electricity is telling me something

[wary pond]

seriously wtf

i was waiting forever for lyon fate

only to get cucked

[soft gyro]

yeap

pls fix this se

[next quarry]

Nobody wants to do fragment farms

Whyyy

[cobalt ingot]

can always try another instance

kind of a pain but it works sometimes

[next quarry]

I've been instance hopping

[gaunt star]

every instance is just cleared or doing castrum rn

pphands

[next quarry]

Yeah

I want to get Skirmisher

[wary pond]

buy em

[polar star]

Aza

PF

[wary pond]

or lost death stars

[next quarry]

I might have to buy them

[maiden lodge]

Skirmishers?

[next quarry]

I wanted to avoid spending

[maiden lodge]

Easy.

Get an AoE grinding thing going, go kill the Doblyns by the first gate in zone II

[next quarry]

I've farmed Doblyns for hours, only 15 or so fragments

[maiden lodge]

One at a

One at a time or like... en masse?

[next quarry]

As big as I can get

[sterile moat]

what do you want frags for?

[next quarry]

Skirmisher

[cobalt ingot]

probably the earrings

isn't skirmisher the title for doing a million skirmishes

[next quarry]

No

[sterile moat]

if it was for the earring, you can just get running speed buffs

and death stars and run away

[next quarry]

!action Essence of the Skirmisher

[sterile moat]

easy solo

[lusty shadow]

**Essence of the Skirmisher** : lvl 0 MNK DRG BRD BLM SMN NIN MCH SAM RDM DNC (0.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Increases damage dealt by 20% and critical hit rate by 15%.
Effect ends upon reuse.
Cannot be used with other Essence or Deep Essence actions.

Powered by XIVAPI

[cobalt ingot]

oh the essence

[maiden lodge]

You need awakenings, so that's normals in zone II

[next quarry]

Yeah

I know how you get them

[wary pond]

btw forgot to ask @odd yoke do you manawall lyon tank buster as dps?

[cobalt ingot]

it was awesome when I did a CE, asked for an invite, did it with a party and then went back to the main camp

and that party was farming

and I got a bunch of awakenings for doing nothing

that was so cool

[next quarry]

That's not cool

[maiden lodge]

Whoa Aza

[odd yoke]

Yeah

[cobalt ingot]

hey I went to help after I noticed

[maiden lodge]

Now, what if they then went and farmed something else, while they were farming those awakenings

Now it's moar farms

[cobalt ingot]

but I did get like 20 while I was ranking up

[odd yoke]

How else are yoy gonna live the buster

[next quarry]

I can try doblyns for a bit longer

[maiden lodge]

Divergent-seperate farm parties are my kink

[next quarry]

But I really dislike how NA just wants to farm CEs and Skirmishes

[cobalt ingot]

I got lucky to find a couple of cluster parties

was able to get the mount then

[next quarry]

I found a cluster party at 1am

[maiden lodge]

If you can get it so you're farming ALL the Doblyns at once (and maybe even a couple of those robots to the side), and down them before any respawn, you'll get a good clip I assure you

[wary pond]

@odd yoke i was tank so i took 60k from it lol

[sterile moat]

i see people interested on clusters all the time when someone shouts for it

[wary pond]

by cds

[cobalt ingot]

I've been trying to get another one to sell and it hasn't been great

[wet crown]

went into CLL as PLD with Savior. Cure IV is rad as shit

[maiden lodge]

It's pretty strong

[cobalt ingot]

is the range the same as cure 3?

[maiden lodge]

!action Lost Cure IV

[lusty shadow]

**Lost Cure IV** : lvl 0 PLD MNK WAR DRG BRD BLM SMN NIN MCH DRK SAM RDM GNB DNC (5.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Restores HP of target and all party members nearby target.
Cure Potency: 21,700
Spirit of the Savior Effect: Regen
Cure Potency: 6,000
Duration: 21s

Powered by XIVAPI

[maiden lodge]

Doesn't say but as OGCDs go, it's spicy

[cobalt ingot]

oh yeah it's great

I was just curious for the animation

haven't tried it yet

[wet crown]

it's a more pretty Medica

[cobalt ingot]

nice, gonna try it at some point

[next quarry]

Yay got 6 skirmishers

I think I'm set for my 5th attempt at CLL

[sterile moat]

attempt

[next quarry]

There's always either

• not enough people
• not enough DPS
• not enough people alive

And the BA/Bozja discord has a 200 person queue

[vernal haven]

You don't respect how much mind affects heal potency until you see a 21.7k heal with a 21s 6k potency regen and it's not op

[wet crown]

Lost Cures don't scale with mind

[vernal haven]

Yeah I know that's my point

Because it doesn't the potency looks insane but it's just not

So you get more respect for the mind scaling

[eager fox]

Hi Aza

[maiden lodge]

Yeah. It's still a good heal though

[next quarry]

Hi teddy

So is it reasonable to despair spam

With auto ether

And breathtaker

[gaunt star]

heals just straight up scale with mainstat

[soft gyro]

@next quarry discord's are almost much better organized tho. but here, its literally random

[maiden lodge]

auto ether will go away randomly, it's got a random chance of just disappearing

But that's not a bad burst window

[gaunt star]

non healer jobs don't have maim and mend trait tho

[vernal haven]

Wait the huge gap in potency is just maim and mend? That sounds somewhat off

Maim and mend is what

Idek anymore

[sterile moat]

10+30%

[vernal haven]

That doesn't sound enough to make up the difference alone

[gaunt star]

actually looks like lost cure does have some funky scaling

[vernal haven]

Lost cure has some wacky huge potency

[gaunt star]

physick on smn with 400 potency heals ~750 and lost cure with 15k potency heals ~15k

[vernal haven]

I feel like I see a lot of dps spamming lost cures because haha funny big potency

[gaunt star]

So it just has its own scaling which makes the listed potency totally meaningless

[vernal haven]

Isn't it smn physick being funky

[gaunt star]

smn physick scales off mind

[maiden lodge]

Not really no

[vernal haven]

SMN physick is a worthless mess

And it annoys me

[gaunt star]

I was a little surprised it still existed when I looked to test it out

[vernal haven]

Yeah it's still there, because reasons

[sterile moat]

if it scaled off int BLM would heal more than a pld, if it scaled off str it melee jobs would heal more etc

[gaunt star]

And clemency heals around 22k with cure also 15k on pld

[sterile moat]

and so on

[gaunt star]

wait

duh

it says

15000

that's jsut how much it heals

[maiden lodge]

With some rng added, yeh

[lilac crest]

How about lost slash

It says 800 potency

But triple when it crits

[gaunt star]

slash is affected by job scaling

[maiden lodge]

Lost slash scales with attack power.

[lilac crest]

Is it the same for averyone?

I see

So who has the strongest lost slash then

[sterile moat]

if whm could use cure IV

[next quarry]

Saw a SAM with 500k hit

[gaunt star]

When I tested it yesterday iirc war did like 55k dcrit, drg did 100k dcrit, mch did 120k dcrit with no actions on any

[maiden lodge]

So not directly with strength or dexterity, but by attack power which the job determines what the scaling is from

[sterile moat]

it would heal 682k with that potency

[next quarry]

Kaiten apparently works with lost slash

[vernal haven]

Cure IV next expac dan

[lilac crest]

Lmaooo

What the fuck

Kaiten lost slash

[maiden lodge]

It makes sense machinist wouldhave the best slash

[sterile moat]

with 220k regen ticks

[next quarry]

But you would have to be very lucky with Crits on sam

[lilac crest]

Drg is guaranteed right?

Cause life surge

[sterile moat]

imagine healing living dead with a simple regen tick

[gaunt star]

yeah LS is guaranteed crit

and lines up with the cd of slash

[sterile moat]

also cure spammers spamming cure IV

[lilac crest]

Tough

[gaunt star]

Reassemble is guaranteed dcrit but doesn't line up

[sterile moat]

despite topping everyone off every cast

[maiden lodge]

I mean I'll spam Cure IV, I don't run Savior, and it's an ogcd, and I have a fuck ton banked.

[gaunt star]

Seems... underwhelming

[next quarry]

It's good for the lucky hits with focus

[gaunt star]

That's like 110k crit but you can't guarantee

[next quarry]

I'm not one to pay attention to how practical in battle it is

WAR/MCH and DRG can make better use of it on the fly then?

[maiden lodge]

Well, some jobs can guarantee

[gaunt star]

yeah

[maiden lodge]

Yeah

[gaunt star]

war/mch/drg it's really good on

you could double it up with font of power

which is 2mins which means chain should be up as well

and skirmisher's

[sterile moat]

there's always this

for the memes

[gaunt star]

With font+chain+skirmisher's you have about 90% crit rate

[fervent pivot]

is this real??

[wary pond]

yes

it can be good

with right holster

[fervent pivot]

This reminds me of merchant from Bravely Default a little lol

I wanna see this animation

[gaunt star]

I'm dubious on that one

[sterile moat]

it's a rank 15 skill

[gaunt star]

I think it's a trap tbh

[sterile moat]

i have it so it doess exist

[polar star]

I find it funny how I've gotten 3 Gabe mounts yet no seeing horde weapons from lockboxes

[gaunt star]

You're pretty limited on uses even with very light actions

[wary pond]

@polar star i won 5 damn duels

[fervent pivot]

seeing horde weapons should be super cheap on the mb now

[wary pond]

and not saw gab once

[gaunt star]

And you could literally throw an entire holster worth of low weight actions and do less than a lost slash

[fervent pivot]

would have to run statistics on possible weighted actions to throw

to determine if worth

[gaunt star]

I'd be interested to see

but it would have to be super frontloaded to be worth

[wary pond]

its 50x weight

font of magic and power have 25

so those 2 will cap it

[gaunt star]

so your entire holster holds 3500 potency

basically a couple lost slashes if you crit one

[wary pond]

yup

[gaunt star]

pretty much what I feared

[fervent pivot]

It only pulls from holster?

[wary pond]

lost is used once every 90 secs tho

iirc yes

[gaunt star]

haste looks to work the same way as eureka incidentally

flat reduction

with earring you go 2.42->2.35 on mnk with no gl and 1.94->1.86 with gl4

[still kiln]

This should surprise precisely nobody why would they reimplement haste when they already did it

[gaunt star]

I mean

takes 30 seconds to test

so I did ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wary pond]

hmm ppl already not doing castrum

huh

instance have 55 ppl

28 entered

[random anvil]

i mean, you can clear with 28

the hp scales

[wet crown]

Fair Trade would have 1000 potency when you toss the heaviest action. So the 25 one that resets cooldowns.

[wary pond]

idk that tell me

[lilac crest]

Yo

[wet crown]

For everything else, it gets a lot weaker

[lilac crest]

lmfaooo

yo wait

if you can get 16 stacks of lsot focus

[wary pond]

gl mixing both

in a duel

[eager fox]

Hi

[lilac crest]

cant you do it prepull?

[eager fox]

I have over 300 fucking indigo stars

[wary pond]

yea

[eager fox]

I wanna die

[wary pond]

but where the crit?

to do triple dmg?

wait

slash isnt even a weaponskill

[lilac crest]

this and skirmisher

pretty high chance idk?

[wary pond]

i have that mix

font of power + deep skirmisher

[lilac crest]

how much hp do duel bosses have

Can you meme one shot them

[wary pond]

4 mil

[lilac crest]

no you cant

lmaooo

[wary pond]

they require about 7800 dps

[lilac crest]

not too bad

[wary pond]

to clear

[lilac crest]

wait

if I use spellforge

or steelthing

idk what its called

will it like

buff lsot slash too

[gaunt star]

focus is a trap

[wary pond]

only work on gabriel

[gaunt star]

it's not worth spending a gcd on so you only use it in the opener

[wary pond]

focus can work on mch

[random anvil]

I've now successfully died to all 1v1s

[wary pond]

with reassemble drill

prepull

[lilac crest]

wait you cant use focus on uh lost slash?

has anyone tried?

[wary pond]

weaponskill

slash isnt a weapon skill

[random anvil]

he just posted it up there tho lol

[lilac crest]

it says its a weapon skill tho

[gaunt star]

slash is a weaponskill

[wary pond]

oh kk

[gaunt star]

you can focus lost slash yeah

but it's still not worth imo

[lilac crest]

imma go sam and try to meme it

[wary pond]

but still

not worth it

[gaunt star]

worse than taking font of power or w/e

[lilac crest]

see how much I can do to boss

[wary pond]

crit

[random anvil]

what's the cast on focus? is it like using monk chakra?

[wary pond]

then wait 40 secs

to do like

900k hit?

[soft gyro]

why is castrum the ever fight that is never fully filled, but red chocobo is

before everyone wants to go in BA, but now nobody wants in castrum

[gaunt star]

but it takes 40 seconds to prep

[soft gyro]

oh yeah that too, like wtf, why 40 seconds

sure, do 40 seconds, when the recruitment is filled
not 40 seconds when there are just 20 people

[gaunt star]

best use of focus is prep a fat reassemble slash on opener then hot swap to a different one

[polar star]

You have enough prep time to get 16 focus stacks in castrum

So why not bring it

[dim sigil]

It feels so weird for this game like before the boss fights everybody's buffing up and all that and that's like so not 14

[odd yoke]

That was the life in the old days

Putting up protect...stoneskin...waiting for ninja mudras...

Waiting for cooldowns to reset cause they didn't before Creator

[dim sigil]

It is neat in its own self-contained place here

[soft gyro]

food is a buff

[polar star]

didn't help that invuln was required in some fights

[dim sigil]

I mean there's food I guess yeah but like the stereotypical MMO thing where everybody puts all their Buffs up before pulling

[gaunt star]

I don't wanna crush a new warbanner every fight

[soft gyro]

yeaah, but then it would be permanent buffs then

[gaunt star]

and pugs don't do 40s countdowns xd

[soft gyro]

that everyone has

[polar star]

You can't do 40s countdown

[dim sigil]

Do 30 and then another 10

[polar star]

because that'll work in pugs

[odd yoke]

Just cooldown macro

[dim sigil]

yup

[odd yoke]

What we did in the day

[polar star]

back in my day...

[odd yoke]

Shell existed

[polar star]

monster Hunter was actually good!

[dim sigil]

I hear a lot about the way MMO's used to work I'm sure a lot of people have rose-tinted glasses from back then but I'm glad I wasn't playing at the time

[wary pond]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ekj_chtWkAIdGU3?format=jpg&name=large @lilac crest