#retired-patch-6-3-discussion

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wary pond
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but didnt know when it explode

sturdy pendant
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Are there anymore conditions to Castrol spawning than having 8 players who are rank 10?

wary pond
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it spawns once every hour

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now im rank 15

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i play the afk game

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til criticals pop

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or castrum in instances with 40+ r10

nocturne void
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wee time to go to WW1 again

earnest sedge
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im burnt out

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just got the x10 achievement for CLL

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._.

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at first i thought "Hey this shit is the coolest shit ive seen in a while"

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then....I did it again, was ok, then again.....

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then....

odd yoke
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I got out of the tornado phase of pyro

maiden lodge
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lawl I died after pulling 20 rank is

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FORGOT MY DEFENSIVE

strange hornet
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im so tired

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ive just been making wall planters for the last few days man

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oh i guess that technically counts as advertisement

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whatever

wet crown
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server connection lost in the middle of a CE

strange hornet
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D:

wet crown
odd yoke
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I lost connection on light as well

wary pond
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did datacenter die?

wet crown
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oh, guess everyone did

wary pond
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i was mid fkn flash over

wet crown
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this is extraordinaire

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light never has issues

wary pond
earnest sedge
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asia ok

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im still on

wary pond
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eu overall down

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i guess

wet crown
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well that sucks

red talon
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rip gaem

wet crown
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I wanted to farm fragments for the earrings

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only needed about 200

odd yoke
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Thankfully i finished my pyros duel

wary pond
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instead of wiping i dced

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nice game

odd yoke
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Kekw

wanton steppe
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back in que

odd yoke
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I've found a wall that needs the lost actions

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Bio 4

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Hard hitting attack that does strong Poison dot and heavy, both cleanable

wary pond
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oh the no poisons?

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just be brd

odd yoke
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KekW

wary pond
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idk if his transformation can be dispelled

odd yoke
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I tried manawall but too late

wary pond
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i think no need for it

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so far

odd yoke
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Well for bios

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Dots do damage based on what you take

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So it would reduce the dot damage

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To manageable

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On initial lookover

wary pond
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most likely you either need to be brd

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or use the pot thingy

odd yoke
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Ofc obvious and initial answer was Poison resistance but that feels too rng

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Cleanse pots do seem another way

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Reflect is questionable

wary pond
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reflect with guardian

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30s

odd yoke
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Yeah

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If i had reflects in my cache i would take

wary pond
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oh yes

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i forgot all his skills are magical

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maybe reflect work?

cyan pawn
odd yoke
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Yeah but reflect says "most actions"

wary pond
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well,

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i reflected dodgable red choco meteors

odd yoke
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Im hesitant but optimistic

wary pond
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what are aoes?

odd yoke
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Yeah thats fine...im questionable in duels inxase they added something for them

pastel coyote
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bruuuu

odd yoke
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To avoid cheesecake

cyan pawn
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is there a better action to use to increase your healer HP other than stoneskin while using Ordained?

pastel coyote
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i dodge them

wary pond
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well, most of duels is kinda cheesable

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in one way or another

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1050 queue

cyan pawn
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jesus christ

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im glad im in the EU

wary pond
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well im in eu?

earnest sedge
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Can you reflect anything in CLL

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Im curious

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Dont wanna try since im R14 but

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I wonder if anything can be reflected there

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Esp like Adrammalech

wary pond
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u can reflect the 2nd boss

slim egret
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Am I allowed to talk about story here or is that too much spoilers

earnest sedge
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Can you reflect stop mechanic?

wary pond
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stop?

earnest sedge
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Adrammalech

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Fire thing

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Stop mech like in sosex

wary pond
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idk

earnest sedge
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I forgot the thing its called

wary pond
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i never seen single fire

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so far

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saw thunder water ice earth

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but fire feels either rare

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or ppl lying about it

earnest sedge
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Its a thing

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Im glad peeps know the mechs already

wary pond
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im joking

earnest sedge
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Oooo okeh

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Makes farming not annoying

wary pond
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but yea never saw fire

earnest sedge
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I will try once i hit R15

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Ahaha

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Im curious as well how do you guys pull in EU?

wary pond
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its a mess

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for now

earnest sedge
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Here we do ET: Eorzean Time

wary pond
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we do it on duty timer

earnest sedge
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So like some japanese dood goes

ET: 17:20

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Then pull

devout musk
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Pyretux

earnest sedge
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O duty timer

devout musk
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Pyretic

earnest sedge
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Ye there ya go pyretic

wary pond
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pull when 27 mins left on timer etc

earnest sedge
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Right right i think thats better tbh

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But i guess it makes communication with non jp speakers easier

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Since everyone knows what ET means

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Vs. Typing out "timer" in japanese

wary pond
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i need noobs instance

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to get in lyon

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suddenly alot of ppl became good at red chocos

spiral wagon
wary pond
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its funny how

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i know the guy

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who posted this

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we farmed together

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in that spot

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yesterday

rain onyx
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Is it that good for clusters?

wary pond
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i got 130 in 2 hours

rain onyx
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I wonder how cheap Construct 14 will be once people focus less on Mettle/CEs and more on cluster farming

wary pond
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maybe he was lucky

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not happening for a while

dim sigil
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You get clusters really fast if your farming them with the group I went from like 20 to nearly 80 just farming with the group for a bit

slim egret
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Do u guys think the augmented will be bis for the 48 man on 5.45

odd yoke
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Well the augmented only gives you haste and no other stats, so unless you have a speed tier to hit: no

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The other stats it has aren't active in bojza

slim egret
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I play blm so I'm thinking it would be really useful for me

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Since rn my spell speed is dramatically slowed down

rain onyx
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It’s more that substats are preset in bozja

wary pond
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speed is useless

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but yea substats

rain onyx
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Because my MCH in bozja has a GCD below 2.5 even though none of my gear has SkS

gaunt star
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anyone know what higher mettle is for?

wary pond
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tanks

odd yoke
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Higher ranks

wary pond
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ranks

rain onyx
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Ranking up, if you’re not at 15 yet

gaunt star
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beyond 10

slim egret
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I got some forgotten items that I can't open from castrum

gaunt star
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oooh

odd yoke
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You need higher ranks

wary pond
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u get fragments

gaunt star
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so appraisal?

slim egret
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They selling for 50k a piece on mb

wary pond
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that are very powerful

rain onyx
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Also bigger cache size for actions you can have on hand

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If it’s like 1-10

wary pond
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many ppl will clear castrums soon

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and will tank in price

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maybe outside caprice

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cause caprice need u save all prisoners

dim sigil
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oh ya can u gain more mettle even after rank 15

viscid monolith
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How should I go about cluster farming? Just nuking mobs like normal?

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What would you need mettle for at 15

dim sigil
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finding a group and just aoeing mobs down

wary pond
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dying

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in castrum

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drop your mettle

dim sigil
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Also good to split the group up into two groups of four attack in different mods you will get clusters really fast

wary pond
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2918 at death
25000 at return

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i lost 140k in early castrum attempts

open verge
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92 clusters

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@viscid monolith ger a groups

wary pond
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better drop mount price

dim sigil
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Unfortunately nobody seems to really want to farm clusters I've had a couple groups but now that it's hard I can't find anyone

wary pond
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before ppl find out

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and price get tanked

wet crown
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this is weird, I was kicked out as PLD but my character is set on WHM

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uff, login queue started at 927

viscid monolith
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@dim sigil Does the split up method work with all drops? Like Dying memories?

open verge
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Yes

wet crown
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yes

open verge
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Also bozja is the best for memories imo

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Atleast bitter

wet crown
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it's really not

north fulcrum
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It is if you’re farming the appropriate mobs

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Not skirmishes

viscid monolith
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Ok then I'll get a group together with my FC

open verge
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Ye farming mobs gets you easy

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Rank 12 😩

next quarry
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People got it in their head early that HW fates were better

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It splitting up and farming is the most efficient way

wary pond
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with broken logos

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yes

pastel coyote
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yes but for that you need to use your BRAIN

wary pond
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still think they are going easy with relic steps

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even eureka had painful early steps

dim sigil
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We only have the glowing weapons stage right now right once you get all the tortured memories that's it for the weapon at the moment

slim egret
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would the general public even figure out the cluster farming thing

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cause i can see just selling that mount for 5 mil over and over again till they find out

dim sigil
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I had a group DeWitt we managed to get a lot

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Wow voice-to-text actually did that

slim egret
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lmao

dim sigil
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I tried to set up more cluster Farms but nobody wants to

next quarry
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I joined one for a bit, but family stuff came up

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At 72 rn

pastel coyote
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people are dumb

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try to make party for either rank 3 or 5 and.... well i was back farming solo

autumn heron
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whats ifg mean

timber lichen
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looking for group

autumn heron
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arigato

timber lichen
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wheres the new 5.35 armor from

next quarry
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Castrum Trade in stuff

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You get coins from doing it

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Trade it in for armor

polar star
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I have yet to ever see Castrum pop.

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In any of the instances in ever been in.

timid solstice
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not even rank 10 and I feel dead inside

dim sigil
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whats lfm

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I never understood that one

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Is it true though each gear piece costs 1K coins and you get like 40 coins per run

floral aurora
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Where can i obtain bitter memories in the field?

maiden lodge
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Looking for more

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Bitter memories drop from literally anything and everything

marsh osprey
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when does castrum actually spawn

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has anybody figured that out

maiden lodge
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Once an hour starting from first instance start

shell merlin
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what shud I bring into castrum

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for lost abilities

odd yoke
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Damage

shell merlin
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ho wmuch doe sthe dain tabletop sell for

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does the dian*

marsh osprey
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tabletop is worthless

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always bring damage for castrum

shell merlin
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lmfao I saw its 60 on market

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and cast is once a hour?

unreal wadi
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just put it in your house/apartment

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i have 5 of them

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and i plan to get more

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to make my army

shell merlin
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Ima keep 1 just to have 1

unreal wadi
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or give the rest to your friends

shrewd cypress
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just cleared castrum :o

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first try

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with 22 peeps

shell merlin
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nice

gloomy shale
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Are there specific mobs on Bozja that drop different memories?

uncut tide
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No

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It's per zone

gloomy shale
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oh

slim egret
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someone just bought a bunch of fragments i got from castrum for 50k a piece

uncut tide
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Fragments are the ones you appraise?

slim egret
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yep

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you can make a lot of money with them rn

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cause people havent really figured out the dungeon yet

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or theyre lazy idk

uncut tide
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I'll probably keep mine

unreal wadi
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i have about...

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500 of a certain kind

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i think i can sell a couple

slim egret
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I'm really happy they're tradable

odd yoke
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Well logos were so its not really surprising

maiden lodge
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Are there specific mobs on Bozja that drop different memories?
@gloomy shale

Well, Freeze isn't quite right. Normal enemies drop one type, Undead and Elementals another, and Star-ranks a third. As well, there's ones that drop in CEs in the third zone that I believe are different from the above--the banners if I recall.

gaunt star
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the ending to castrum made my heart sink

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how dare square endear me to these characters via character logs

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Cleared castrum 100% pug no comms

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feels good

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Only saved 2 prisoners tho haha

slim egret
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Ending castrum spoilers: ||misija is a bitch||

nocturne void
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I mean

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she has reason

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to be

severe brook
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yeah i like her as an antagonist

nocturne void
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Hello yes here, I'm the proletariat who got fucked by aristocrats

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time to blow shit up

slim egret
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I do agree she's a good antagonist

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Makes me excited for next part of the story

shrewd cypress
slim egret
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That's awesome

open verge
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You got a clear yoshiPain

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Castrum seems like a big 24 man

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Unless it’s harder

shrewd cypress
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Technically it’s a 48 man

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But we cleared with 22 so

open verge
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Hmm

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How many bosses is it?

shrewd cypress
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I think 3? With one section being a giant room with several hallways to clear out

odd yoke
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3 Techincally

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"trash" after the first boss then saving prisoners

open verge
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The bottom one the top one then a final boss right?

shrewd cypress
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The first boss is two bosses

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Second boss is a boss everyone fights together

odd yoke
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Goes bottom to top

open verge
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So the bosses are the hard part?

shrewd cypress
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Yes

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Final boss almost wiped us

open verge
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Hmm

odd yoke
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Its getting the splits right

open verge
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Is it like 24 man difficulty or something yoshiPain

shrewd cypress
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For the final boss you just have a full party split off

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I’d say so

tribal plinth
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it's harder than 24man

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but not overly

odd yoke
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The mechanics themselves arent that bad

tribal plinth
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Closer to an easier extreme

late willow
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Yeah its harder

shrewd cypress
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It’s slightly harder than a 24 man

open verge
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48 man makes it easier tho right

odd yoke
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More than 24man cause getting hit by something can potentially kill you

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But easier than extreme

late willow
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Requires some amount of coordination

shrewd cypress
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Remember how day one 24 mans are like wipefests

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Also are the dudes that get enthralled at the end the same as the dudes that help you during the fates

nocturne void
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just slightly easier than BA?

tribal plinth
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Much easier since there's no traps

next quarry
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And can raise whenever

slim egret
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Dude I joined a random castrum last night

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And we couldn't get past the first boss lmao

heady shadow
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rip

subtle pasture
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I needa see the upstairs boss before I can say I know all of CLL,

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did the dps party of last boss tho,

faint dagger
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Upstairs boss has a boss telegraph aoe

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Uhh

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Orbs that do donuts

subtle pasture
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I did read a guide on the eureka discord,

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sounds like Ferdiad orbs?

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Ferdiad Hollow, Dun Scaith

faint dagger
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And mt gulg second boss

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Sometimes they cross up and move around

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And sometimes they do an A3 magnetism

subtle pasture
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Yee, Ferdiad could teleport his with Atomos, so had to keep track of where donuts ended up

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or run the fuck out if both aoe

faint dagger
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Ye

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It's fairly tame

subtle pasture
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Helldiver is mostly, healing tbh. esp if solo soaks

faint dagger
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Also alternating aoes

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On the top

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Like ground gets checkerboarded

subtle pasture
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Yee, fairly typical mechs

faint dagger
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The only thing not really telegraphed or seen before is the boss's body telegraph

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Just get behind the arm

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And remember to switch target to the core when it appears

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I could still die on boss 2 if I tried, but it dies so quick compared to helldiver/brionac and lyon birb

subtle pasture
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So far I'm on uhhh,

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3 wipes to Helldiver, bc no one engaged Brionac,

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and 2 wipes on Dawon,

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from 2 full clears

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...and 3 attempts with ~5 people haha

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but no wipes on Adrammelech, v straight forward,

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esp if you respect pyretic.

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...I wanna do more CLL for the gear set omegabruh

nocturne void
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imagine people respecting pyretic

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😦

subtle pasture
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I'm the healer I'm the only person who absolutely has to,

nocturne void
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I've never had a full pug party respect pyretic in SoS

subtle pasture
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can rez all the dumbies

faint dagger
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Dps die so quick to adrammach pyretic tho

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I've seen fuckers get basically ohkoed

subtle pasture
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yeah, there's normal mode pyretics that tick for like 8k per movement

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then extreme pyres

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that go for 40k :>

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but we're all oGCD whores, so

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3 ticks instant

shrewd cypress
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are the dudes that get enthralled at the end the same as the dudes that help you during the fates

brisk quail
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Monks in Bozja:

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Monks in Bozja after earring: Eyes

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Monks in Bozja after full augment set: ZoomEyes

brisk quail
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My GCD is now 0

shell merlin
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@maiden lodge what ones drop bitter mems, any lvl 1?

wary pond
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yes

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mass pull em

nocturne void
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Incidentally that gif is what lost swift looks like

dim sigil
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Why are we fighting over ruins again

nocturne void
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uh

brisk quail
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Incidentally that gif is what lost swift looks like

Lost swift. Aka: get the fuck outta there

gentle temple
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Do you get story quests all the way up to rank 15?

nocturne void
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cause we inspire dalmasca to rise up to

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Why are we fighting over ruins again
@dim sigil A record of afghanistan, 4000 BC-current day

gentle temple
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I've got all the areas unlocked and just wanna grind mettle until I can do all the rest of the quests at once, but not sure where that'll put me.

brisk quail
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cause we inspire dalmasca to rise up to

Ravage an entire landscape, killing anything that moves in the pursuit of memeories and aether containing fragments of souls to smash into our weapons to make em shiny

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We are good guys

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WoL, this is the 632nd doblyn you've killed.

i need MORE POTIONS

dim sigil
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I need to find a full refresher because I don't remember anything about this story

nocturne void
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Okay, so from what I understand

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Bozja, ancient capital

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empire overruns it

heady shadow
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here we go bois

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some more red memes

nocturne void
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builds big satellite dish

heady shadow
nocturne void
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Meteor comes down and destroys most of bozja

heady shadow
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yes.

nocturne void
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Skip a bit

autumn heron
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ran castrum

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only 21 people though

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our DPS was too low

nocturne void
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Our adventures in doma inspire outlying provinces to fight the empire

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Bozja rises up

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dalmasca is also at stake

rough kestrel
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Sword of the south is a lame title for beating those duels

nocturne void
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skip to here

rough kestrel
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Just give us the title of Big Boss

slim egret
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does castrum scale?

nocturne void
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in theory yes

slim egret
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like if u have 48 ppl, its harder

autumn heron
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No it doesnt

nocturne void
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it doesn't?

autumn heron
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you need AT LEAST 25 people

rough kestrel
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It's very barely doable with 21 people, some have done it but with alot of struggling

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It's not made for less than 30 people, realistically

autumn heron
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We almost won but timer ran out

slim egret
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ur prolly not gonna pug well with 21 people

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but i can see a group coordinating a run with 21 perople

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*people

nocturne void
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Which person on the translation team is having fun

rough kestrel
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Koji

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It's always Koji

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There's a fate called "Do you think plants can bloom on the battlefield?" which is a reference to MGS1

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"Do you think love can bloom on the battlefield?"

nocturne void
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Yeah, I got that one

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the translation team is very good

autumn heron
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Honestly Castrum clears arent gonna be consistant until the weekend when most people will be ranked up

rough kestrel
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I still fucking laugh at the level 80 GNB quest

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Just literally called [GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS]

vagrant sinew
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koji is fucking terrifying

rough kestrel
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There's an achievement I believe called "This is Snake" in reference to that beast tribe of snake people

brisk quail
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Bozjan: yooo doma and stuff did that shit... we can do it too!

Garleans: but don't you remember when we did that really bad thing a while back

Bozja: kinda not really

Garleans: okay. You do that. Imma take the resources of the land as you fight the war

Bozjans: fuck. Okay. Imma fight really hard now

Garleans: pfft. But you can only have a spoonful of resistance... You can't beat u- wait. What is that?

Bozjans: pulls out a comically large spoon.

Garlean: that's still not gonna beat u-

Bozjans: pulls our a fishing rod with a shiny sword tied onto it.

Garlean: that's... warrior of light bait...

Bozjans: indeed

nocturne void
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if you make an item shiny, we must go get it

rough kestrel
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If you beat every 1v1 I want a surprise Zenos encounter where he comes to fight WoL on the battlefield with everyone watching.

marsh osprey
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does next castrum start 1 hour after other castrum started

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or as it ended

random anvil
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Adramalech!!!

brisk quail
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Zenos: you either get to kill me... or you get this shiny sword

WoL: hnmnngggggghhhhhhhh

rough kestrel
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Call the Achievement "Zenos came, I conquered"

brisk quail
slim egret
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the eureka discords are doing runs for castrum

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which seem to go well most of the time

gaunt star
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So how do I start the quest to upgrade the relic, I’m rank 5 but all I’m seeing in gangos is the 2 repeat bale starter quests from Zlatan

odd yoke
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Need to pick up the memory quest outside first

gaunt star
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Where’s that

marsh osprey
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in gangos

autumn heron
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same guy who gave you the relic

odd yoke
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Literally next to bojza entrance

gaunt star
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Yeah that’s not showing up for me

odd yoke
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In gangos

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A guy gives you a blue quest to revisit gerolt

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Then you talk to zilan

gaunt star
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I did that but I don’t have the memory quest anywhere

odd yoke
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Talk to zilan about the weapon and it shows

vagrant sinew
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gotta have the weapon in your inventory

gaunt star
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So not the weapon equipped?

odd yoke
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You may have to select resistance is futile first then try to accept it to get it to show. Especially if you havr them all

slim egret
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i just have the weapon in my inventory

subtle pasture
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can confirm, did levelling on drk, got bitter

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*for WHM

regal lantern
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@severe brook @subtle pasture here then

subtle pasture
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crackes knuckles,

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||Save the Queen is a primal made of a fallen shrinemaiden who was the last Gunnhildr, a IVth Legion member goes as far to force us to hop into the blade's memory and incept a lot of anger and hatred into it, creating a fiercly powerful, deadly, gorgeous queen primal||

cyan pecan
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Wot

gaunt star
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and

subtle pasture
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This is post-CLL

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sorry shoulda prefaced that

cyan pecan
gaunt star
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also the memories from uh castrum sell for quite a bit

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on the MB

random anvil
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i don't understand the shrine maiden part

severe brook
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||still predicting that Misija will eventually merge with the Primal to make the Lady of Blades straight up become Asura||
||so she'd then have multiple faces||

obsidian smelt
#

How many tokens do you get per castrium run?

subtle pasture
#

||Gunnhildrs are chosen from the oracles and priestess of Bozja||

#

20-26 per run,

#

bosses give 20 total, 1 per freed prisoner in the trash bit

#

so it's only 5 full clears for an armor set and, um,

severe brook
#

||well also, the current queen/gunnhildr couldn't go through with becoming the Lady of Blades||
||so one of her Shrine Maidens did instead||
||but that maiden turned out to have the Echo, and instead of becoming a manipulatable puppet like the Blades had hoped for, she retained control||

subtle pasture
#

I haven't done the math for a traded-in aug set

regal lantern
#

||Save the Queen is a primal made of a fallen shrinemaiden who was the last Gunnhildr, a IVth Legion member goes as far to force us to hop into the blade's memory and incept a lot of anger and hatred into it, creating a fiercly powerful, deadly, gorgeous queen primal||
@subtle pasture thanks. So I should do it... for the sake of lore

severe brook
#

||so after she saved Bozja from the Fourth, they killed her to get her out of the way||

subtle pasture
#

Also there's a crapton of lore in the field notes but those're basically collectible cards...

#

and 3 are behind the duels...

severe brook
#

yeah basically everyone with a name gets a short bio

regal lantern
#

||They killed their own?????? Why???||

severe brook
#

which is something i like, i think the should keep doing that
just don't lock them behind gachas/duels

#

||because they wanted a puppet, and she would've been one if the Primal had overwhelmed her. but she used the Echo to maintain herself||

topaz dune
#

||i was hoping we could rescue our au ra friend but oh dear looks like its too late ||

severe brook
#

||so they killed her because they had no need for a god-queen, only a martyr-savior||

wet crown
#

yes

#

well that's the gist of it

regal lantern
#

Suddenly Hrothgars sound like real dicks

wet crown
#

anyway

subtle pasture
#

Just the old bozjans, really,

regal lantern
#

So much for being a “good boy” race

subtle pasture
#

there's a big class divide that's also brought up,

severe brook
#

Suddenly Hrothgars sound like real dicks.
||Misija.mp4||

subtle pasture
#

nobles wanna stay noble, keep the poor poor.

regal lantern
#

They’re certain BAD BOYS

cyan pecan
#

there's a big class divide that's also brought up,
@subtle pasture oh what? That’s some juicy lore I see

subtle pasture
#

"oh man I hope this isn't Ishgard 2.0"

wet crown
#

||Misija is also very, very likely a decendant of the shrine maiden||

subtle pasture
#

pre-bahamut Bozja: "Ishgard 2.0"

#

fuckin' nobles, man

cyan pecan
#

I mean it would make sense tho, || because those who support and protect the shrine maiden would be ostracised to some capacity ||

severe brook
#

||yeah her anger is a mix of what was done to her ancestor and what was done to her||

regal lantern
#

Fuck hrothgars

cobalt igloo
#

do bozjan critical engagements scale with the number of people in them?

subtle pasture
#

Aye, they do

spiral wagon
#

FINALLY got to castrum

severe brook
#

fuck hrothgars, all my homies hate hrothgars

wet crown
#

||It's highly likely she'll arm herself with StQ and become Gunnhildr. While StQ is the primal, think of this like Zantetsuken and Odin. The weapon is the primal.||

spiral wagon
#

only 18 people

severe brook
#

well okay to be serious

cyan pecan
#

Ohhhhh

#

I see

subtle pasture
#

Me, a hroth rper: cryingcatto

severe brook
#

Bajsaljen is sincere

subtle pasture
#

Bozja is wild, though, it's so...

wet crown
#

really cool

severe brook
#

and i don't think all of them are dicks like this

cyan pecan
#

First we get racist elf land, and now we get racist furry cat land

severe brook
#

like we even saw that not all of the nobles were hrothgar

wet crown
#

they're not racist though

severe brook
#

with the bit with the soldiers

regal lantern
#

||is Mikoto dead/in danger...?||

subtle pasture
#

Final Fantasy XIV: Conservatism Is Bad

random anvil
#

||so there was essentially two queens? Queen Gunhilder and the actual Queen of Bozja?||

subtle pasture
#

--cough

wet crown
#

||Mikoto is alive||

regal lantern
#

I hear a but coming

severe brook
#

||well Queen Gunnhildr was the queen, but she didn't use Save the Queen to become Lady of Blades||

wet crown
#

||Queen Gunnhildr used a doppelgänger because she couldn't use the powers of the sword||

subtle pasture
#

||no, Gunnhildr is the queen of Bozja, but it's more a spiritual position, the last true one was afraid to become the LoB so they made a sacrifice do it instead||

random anvil
#

ah okok ty

subtle pasture
#

well, "true" isn't a good word there, but it works well enough

shell merlin
#

its kinda weird doing this when I am doing the GNB questline lmao

brisk quail
#

Final Fantasy XIV: Conservatism Is Bad

||The interview cutscene was basically this||

shell merlin
#

"well you see the queen was actually horrible"

wet crown
#

it isn't entirely black and white

subtle pasture
#

Well there were many good gunnhildrs

#

just not that one

#

and, okay, tbf

#

||her blades did the dirty work||

wet crown
#

she was definitely a bitch and her blades filthy shit

random anvil
#

idk. More Femroes in bikinis in cutscense owocarby

wet crown
#

||but they did so with the intention to bring peace||

severe brook
#

i mean that one might have still been good for most of her life

#

well

#

actually she would've had to be at least oblivious considering what bozja was like

#

||but she wasn't willing to kill herself and be subsumed by a god, even for the sake of her people. which is understandable, even if it's not the right action considering.||

subtle pasture
#

||That Save the Queen's vessel died thinking she wasn't worthy, but was still at peace with Bozja living on... cryingokcatto ||

brisk quail
#

Can we just ||nuke all of|| Bozja again? Just get it over with.

cyan pecan
#

|| So could it be the Gunhildr and her ancestor are the fake priestess and descendants of the conspirators who killed the original priestess||

brisk quail
#

||No moral dilemmas if everything is ash/crystal||

wet crown
#

Don't project what happened in the past on the present

gentle temple
#

this Sicinius is amusingly polite.

#

thanks for helping me test my death machine!

regal lantern
#

|| So could it be the Gunhildr and her ancestor are the fake priestess and descendants of the conspirators who killed the original priestess||
@cyan pecan oh my

severe brook
#

it feels like the leaders of the Resistance and the modern Blades are sincere, at least

subtle pasture
#

||As I had mentioned, the Blades were also the aristocracy and upper class of Bozja, giving the title of Gunnhildr to a lowly shrinemaiden is what they feared more. A turn in power that would displace them||

wet crown
#

oh they are

regal lantern
#

So this is all rank 10 stuff?

severe brook
#

i do have faith that they'd do their best to prevent the mistakes of the past from returning

subtle pasture
#

--oop,

#

tl;dr nobles bad

brisk quail
#

|| So could it be the Gunhildr and her ancestor are the fake priestess and descendants of the conspirators who killed the original priestess||

||FFXV ARDYN'S BACKSTORY... BUT AGAIN||

severe brook
#

:gasp:

wet crown
#

yes, all after you clear CLL

regal lantern
#

Thank you

wet crown
#

it's really a torrent of awesome cutscenes

subtle pasture
#

Oh all of BSF has impressive cutscenes,

#

the story unfolds,

heady shadow
#

so thenn..... ||the blades are just another group of assholes eh?||

subtle pasture
#

really well

wet crown
#

and I'm sure I know what one of the next zones could be

||Dalmasca||

subtle pasture
#

||The old Blades who served that last Gunnhildr, aye||

#

ours are fine, I luv them.

#

...except Isolde's voice

#

WAH HWAHHHHH

severe brook
#

yeah the new ones are cool

wet crown
#

I honestly don't even want to do Isolde's skirmishes

severe brook
#

it helps when they're chosen for merit and being suitable people, instead of just being nobles given the position because

subtle pasture
#

I do bc I assume there's a Dyunbu card

wet crown
#

she deserves the pain

subtle pasture
#

GIVE ME YOUR CARD YOU MEDIC HIPPIE

gentle temple
#

Are there quests all the way up to 15 or do they stop at some point?

severe brook
#

||shame they'll probably be encounters to fight in future bozja content, huh?||

wet crown
#

I need like 1 more card I can get outside the duels

subtle pasture
#

10 is the final quest,

gentle temple
#

awesome, thanks.

subtle pasture
#

Else, get your CLL clears eventually, it marks the end of Chapter the Second,

gentle temple
#

Kinda wanna just grind and do the rest of the quests at once, so that's only two levels, not bad.

subtle pasture
#

so deffo required for Chapter the Third and Delubrum

brisk quail
#

11-15 just let you ||identify more fragments you get from castrum||

cyan pecan
#

|| It could be that the Blades are actually the conspirators to killing of the original shrine maiden, and their descendants pass on the title of Gunhildr like hot potato while trying to sweep the events under the rug. Meanwhile the descendants and supporters of the true shrine maiden were purposely displace and spread out, to prevent from a possible rebellion ||

dim sigil
#

can you continue gaining mettle after 15 tho

#

So you can be ahead whenever they raise If they raise the max which probably they will

shell merlin
#

soneone was at 704k mettle so

brisk quail
#

So you can be ahead whenever they raise If they raise the max which probably they will

Pleeaaasseee no.

subtle pasture
#

||Oh, good point. that shrinemaiden was pulled from the Votyasch tribe, which is incredibly impoverished in this era, and probably was back then as well||

brisk quail
#

I much rather it just start again

#

Instead of building off previous mettle levels

dim sigil
#

I mean like there's got to be another zone or two or something I don't know

brisk quail
#

Everyone who enters the zone starts at 15 and 750000 mettle

#

Kinda deal

dim sigil
#

Starting preset in there would work

cyan pecan
#

It would make sense as to why there’s an actual class divide in Ilsabard in the first place

gentle temple
#

They'll probably make you complete this level first just to give it another bump of activity.

cyan pecan
subtle pasture
#

||Though, @cyan pecan , we know Gunnhildr's reign ended with that shrinemaiden, as she's told to be the last Gunnhildr.||

gentle temple
#

Though I bet they'll only require up to 10 to access the new area.

severe brook
#

||well they had to cover up both the queen's weakness and their own actions||

subtle pasture
#

...Hrothgar queen shit still confuses me.

dim sigil
#

Well since rank only affects where you can go and not your stats I guess 10 could work

severe brook
#

||So they just keep saying that the queen died when she became the Lady of Blades||

gentle temple
#

Maybe they're like bees.

dim sigil
#

And if your 15 you just get a little boost ahead

severe brook
#

i honestly was expecting that to be the twist with hrothgar

gentle temple
#

And the Queen is the Queen because she lays all the eggs.

severe brook
#

that they'd just have one giant queen that all the males serve

#

like bees

dim sigil
#

Are they like the other cats and they have the breeding leader in charge

subtle pasture
#

I just wanna know Radovan and Rostik's surnames to learn what the hell clan they belong to,

#

bc the bozjans all have diff names in the field notes

cyan pecan
#

||So they just keep saying that the queen died when she became the Lady of Blades||
@severe brook || It’s surprisingly a common tactic, and I would not be surprise||

gentle temple
#

The other cats don't typically have a 'breeding leader' in charge, assuming you're talking about Suncats and Nunhs.

subtle pasture
#

Ulgasch, Apella, Azetina, and Alubov are all Bozjan families,

dim sigil
#

Yeah I remember something about that that they have a breeding male

gentle temple
#

It's just...those two tribes...who are the only in-game examples...despite directly contradicting the lorebook lore...>.<

subtle pasture
#

and Azetina is... Doman??

brisk quail
#

||hrothgar's come from eggs. Confirmed||

subtle pasture
#

Nope, Bozjan too

gentle temple
#

riots

subtle pasture
#

Which means a dead Queen Ulga and Svana, and a living Pella, Zetina, and Lubov

#

--I missed Svanasch, whoops

cyan pecan
#

||hrothgar's come from eggs. Confirmed||
namazuconcern namazuconcern namazuconcern

subtle pasture
#

Ah, and the Votyasch,

#

so a dead Queen Votya

cyan pecan
#

I’m actually concern about that one

gentle temple
#

Yeah, Seekers of the Sun have males who earn the right to breed. According to the lore book it should be multiple per tribe, one per 20-50 women, but again in-game it seems to be only one per tribe x_x

dim sigil
#

the vigrin vs chad miqote

subtle pasture
#

||The Votyasch are from the Third Astral, so Votya's been dead a long ass time||

cyan pecan
#

|| Wait do Hrotgars actually hatch from eggs??||

subtle pasture
#

...like how old must Pella, Zetina, and Lubov be, then???

gentle temple
#

Probably we won't have any idea about Hroth until we get a lore book 3 for them to completely ignore with in-game stuff x_x

subtle pasture
#

--no they're mammals,

regal lantern
#

The the last queen gunhyldr wasn’t a hrothgar?

gentle temple
#

No that was a joke Lyn.

dim sigil
#

None of the playable races are from eggs even Dragon people

subtle pasture
#

This is a minor one so I won't block it-

dim sigil
#

Although I don't think there's anything saying that they don't come from eggs

subtle pasture
#

Gunnhildr isn't specifically hrothgar or non, they ust made up most of bozja

#

so stastically she was usually hroth

dim sigil
#

sooo

cyan pecan
#

It would make sense tho

gentle temple
#

It was mostly a joke because the whole 'females are very rare' makes zero sense for mammals.

regal lantern
#

So wtf is the deal with Hrothgar queen?

subtle pasture
regal lantern
#

SE done fucked up with their dumb ass lore

gentle temple
#

So maybe the plot twist is they look like mammals but actually they're bugs.

subtle pasture
#

At this point it'd be easier to assume it's a clan matriarch thing

#

like the founding mother of a family or tribe

cyan pecan
#

But if a Gunhildr is usually a Hrotgar, if there’s a chance a non-hrotgar becoming a Gunhildr, wouldn’t they become the sole breeding female of Hrotgars???

subtle pasture
#

rather than a regal "queen"

gentle temple
#

'sole breeding female' makes negative sense.

cyan pecan
#

The thought of having a Lalafel Gunhildr brings up this topic

subtle pasture
#

basically imagine that Gunnhildr is a spiritual leader,

#

pope-queen

cyan pecan
#

Ohhh I see

gentle temple
#

You literally could not maintain a population that way assuming they work like other humanoid races and have mostly one kid at a time with occasional twins+

brisk quail
#

The Queen is basically a pope.

Not a breeding queen or a whatever

subtle pasture
#

Else, we know from prior Bozja lore that the original Gunnhildr united the various clans and tribes that lived in the region,

brisk quail
#

Not a president or whatever

gentle temple
#

Even if girls were 1 in 10 births it would be hard to imagine how they'd keep their numbers up.

brisk quail
#

But more a figure head

subtle pasture
#

but "Gunnhildr" itself is a title for the queens, not specifically her name

cyan pecan
#

I see I see

dim sigil
#

it's funny how we knew about Bozja for years and only recently its like oh ya it just happens to be full of Ronso

subtle pasture
#

Yeah basically,

gentle temple
#

I know it's just a stupid thing they threw in to excuse not making the models, but this really bothers me.

subtle pasture
#

also they invented guns

#

don't forget that

brisk quail
#

Guns

#

And gun swords

dim sigil
#

Didn't they not invent guns but they started calling hand Cannon guns because of all of that

brisk quail
#

And swords with no guns

subtle pasture
#

rather,

brisk quail
#

And guns with no swords

subtle pasture
#

gunblades came first

#

THEN guns,

dim sigil
#

Like it was a similar function

subtle pasture
#

THEN blades with a gun attached

unreal wadi
#

Ok so...

cyan pecan
#

The era where there’s a male Viera is where I would use Fantasia OwO

unreal wadi
#

I had a group of 36 players

dim sigil
#

That's always the dumbest lore

unreal wadi
#

who could kick the hellhound

brisk quail
#

Imagine... cavemen making a swordgun before a spear.

unreal wadi
#

but couldnt kill brionac

#

When we got helldiver to 50%

#

brionac was still at 76

#

:V

subtle pasture
#

Oh, Helldiver,

#

thoguht you meant the hellhoudn trash

cyan pecan
#

in the meantime Nimbus strikes us down once Brionac is down

subtle pasture
#

and oof

unreal wadi
#

whoops

#

I don't think we need a big team for helldiver

#

but is brionac that hard to kill?

subtle pasture
#

Brionac deffo needs the stronger team, bot side is mostly a heal check tbh

#

healing between tethers and aoes and soaks...

unreal wadi
#

ive gone bot twice

#

funny how

#

24 players could clear the first bosses

#

but not 36

subtle pasture
#

but each of my CLL clears we killed Helldiver with Brionac at 20+

#

so lotttts of adds lmao

unreal wadi
#

for the 24 player

#

we had 1 party at bot

#

2 parties at top

subtle pasture
#

Oh ouch

unreal wadi
#

and we still killed both

#

heck

#

brionac was killed faster

#

than helldiver

#

not sure what happened in the 36 man

brisk quail
#

Me (bottom MT): hey guys. How's top doing, helldiver at 20%

Top: ...

Bottom: Guys?!

Top: it's going okay... ish...

Bottom: what's that mean?!

Top: well we nearly wiped so he's at like 74%

unreal wadi
#

Is Brionac that hard?

#

I've actually never gone top before soo...

gaunt star
#

Nah

unreal wadi
#

then why the hell were the 3 parties on top having more trouble kill him

brisk quail
#

I've heard bottom is harder

unreal wadi
#

than the 1.5 on bottom

#

bottom is easy.

brisk quail
#

Top is just move close. Move far. Avoid donuts.

unreal wadi
#

bottom requires more heals though

brisk quail
#

Bottom is, body block robots. Trade tethers. Dodge big aoes. Aim cannons toward sides

unreal wadi
#

you're forced to get hit

brisk quail
#

And then don't cleave the battering ram

nocturne void
brisk quail
#

@nocturne void this is the same guy who publicly executes you for playing redchoctober well.

severe brook
#

"Please look forward to the next Pokemon i send to go die at your hands"

gentle temple
#

Wait until the plot twist that he's actually secretly a Manderville.

vagrant sinew
#

garleville man

nocturne void
#

Mandervilles are behind the empire

#

mandervilles are ascians

#

hildibrand was not a joke storyline, but really an ascian plot

gentle temple
#

Nah, he's the black sheep of the family and left to join the Empire after losing a fight with Godbert.

#

To get stronger.

brisk quail
#

Wait until the plot twist that he's actually secretly a Manderville.

The secrect 3rd Mandeville uncle

#

Who forsook the family name after the fall of daladmud

#

In the pursuit of power

gentle temple
#

Wait, there's two Manderville uncles?

slim egret
#

So like we're not getting hildibrand so what if the relic quest is actually a part of the hildibrand questline ellywoke

shell merlin
#

doing castrum is actually stupid when another boss spawns first

#

people dont think ahead

slim egret
#

You only got 1 min to join it

shell merlin
#

@slim egret if you join a boss before hand and join you get stuck in it

#

casturm ended up with 10/48 cause choctober was 48/48

viscid monolith
#

@wind bough @bold condor @maiden lodge AAAAHHHHH

#

They finally confirmed it

brisk quail
#

So like we're not getting hildibrand so what if the relic quest is actually a part of the hildibrand questline

  1. He's in the first.
  2. How would he be incorporated
  3. He (should still) be in the first.
gentle temple
#

Hildebrand family quests

slim egret
#

I was making a joke because of how the villain looks

cyan pecan
#

Hildebrand lore OwO

heady shadow
#

he is tan ||ranjit||

cyan pecan
dim sigil
#

they went to Xvi not the first calling it now

brisk quail
#

The 16th reflection

#

Never to return

gentle temple
#

Oh God no

brisk quail
#

Until they find JOSHUA

heady shadow
#

.....

brisk quail
#

FINAL FANTASY JOSHUA

slim egret
#

Honestly tho

gentle temple
#

No Hildebrand 16 crossover

slim egret
#

Xviooks very similar to xiv, I wouldn't be surprised if they're in the same world but different time line

tough fern
#

Not on the first he was summoned there as a spirit of sorts but he is somewhere on another shard

heady shadow
#

Im gonna say this. ||people who actually think 16 is part of xiv is grasping at straws so much I would rather believe Hildibrand was in the Void.||

tough fern
#

Most likely the source still

cyan pecan
#

Oh no

brisk quail
#

I mean Hildebrand is in a different reflection at this rate

pastel coyote
#

Scree let people dream and be wrong so i can laught at them later

cyan pecan
#

What if Hildebrand is the Anna of FF16

brisk quail
#

Given the end of the SB

#

Quest chain

cyan pecan
#

Hildebrand is merchant man

next quarry
#

Technically hildi is in the void if that's what Greg uses to travel here too

heady shadow
#

Scree let people dream and be wrong so i can laught at them later
and then them call it shitty becaiuse its not xiv? yeah...no lol

#

xD

next quarry
maiden lodge
#

'gilgamesh took them to another dimension' turns out it was just across the ruby sea we just never bothered to look hard

heady shadow
#

let me not have a headache

#

T^T

pastel coyote
#

it's a price i'm willing to pay

slim egret
#

I will like xvi no matter what if it's a good game

pastel coyote
#

coz it cost me nothing

gentle temple
#

@maiden lodge sounds about right

slim egret
heady shadow
#

Imean

#

you'll get your wish

#

since people probably are taking people like ethys seriously

#

so..

#

I'll get the popcorn

brisk quail
#

Wait. Can we summon the primal Hildebrand using Eden?

pastel coyote
#

i'll bring the drink

brisk quail
slim egret
#

Eden verse confirmed in xvi

maiden lodge
#

Just verse though

heady shadow
#

which is sad because i know some people are joking but...people be dumb

brisk quail
#

Thancred+Urianger Leave the first

WoL: now I can make any boss I want

slim egret
#

I'm joking around lol

cyan pecan
#

I wonder, what’s the lore for Brionac and Gabriel in FF14

gentle temple
#

You're being a killjoy Scree

brisk quail
#

I got a biography for one of the garleans who was ||made to pilot the super mechs that the garleans made||

gentle temple
#

It doesn't matter where Hildebrand is or where people think he is, he's a gag character from a gag sidequest.

brisk quail
#

It's a 5☆ bio

slim egret
#

Yeah lol and since he's a gag character

#

They can do really anything with him

gentle temple
#

He'll show up wherever the devs think it would be funniest for him to show up.

slim egret
#

And just explain it with something ridiculous

brisk quail
#

Bro. Hilde is REQUIRED

#

There was so much depression and sad this expac

cyan pecan
#

I will miss you Gigi

brisk quail
slim egret
#

We need hilde to aid us in our relic quest

dim sigil
#

isnt gigi with us at all times

cyan pecan
#

Shhhhhh

#

Gigi is Hildi’s son

#

He’s always with Hildebrand

heady shadow
#

Hmm?

#

i just made a comparison since you know, people will crystalize in purple shit in the void

glacial turret
#

Hi I’m Daisy

shell merlin
odd yoke
#

Fun thing is those spawn by mob kills

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Both together

zealous pond
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man that ending to castrum just hs me conflicted on where we're going next from here in bozja

vagrant sinew
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I still haven't gotten into castrum

brisk quail
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man that ending to castrum just hs me conflicted on where we're going next from here in bozja

A murder spree for more shiny weapons?

vagrant sinew
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bc I just cba to go into bozja now

zealous pond
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tbf I'm not sure if its in the appropriate channel then?

agile otter
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Bozja has enough going on in the story to be apart of the MSQ.

zealous pond
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truee just how are we going to free the blades at this point and could it be related to the new BA-esque content they announced for 5.4?

brisk quail
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This isn't Baldesion Arsenal enough? Peoplw have a hard enough time not climbing the ladder and trying to split the party up

gaunt star
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I think the visual of the swords piercing the Blades may be important to un-tempering them in some way. That they are being actively tempered by something inside of them, rather than permanently tempered from here on out

brisk quail
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Me: okay guys. We're gonna need to split the party int-

Everyone: LADDER

zealous pond
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possibly the scions might get involvd

maiden lodge
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This isn't Baldesion Arsenal enough? Peoplw have a hard enough time not climbing the ladder and trying to split the party up
@brisk quail NO

zealous pond
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that was a nightmare already

agile otter
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Gunnhildr gives off the vibes of being a primal. But dying and then having your spirit time travel to the future complicates it a bit.

polar star
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Reflect plus Spellforge is op

proud edge
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The quest, For Want of a Memory... do different locations provide different types of memories?

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I seem to only be obtaining one type at my current location

brisk quail
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Yes

agile otter
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You have to visit multiple locations for each in HW areas.

brisk quail
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Bottom zone is one.
Middle is another.
Top is a third.

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Otherwise. Grind HW Fates

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Because HW fates and their areas have similar splits

zealous pond
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yeah honestly I hope we can find a way to untemper them all before the next area

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otherwise we're a little screwed in the firepower department

brisk quail
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Oh nooo... a couple spooky primals.

proud edge
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@brisk quail When you say zone, do you mean different maps or different portions of the maps?

brisk quail
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Zones

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In Bozja each area/that you earn via rank is a new memory type

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Tortured = Coerthas western highlands and sea of clouds.

Sorrowful = Dravanian forelands and churning mists.

Harrowing = Dravanian hinterlands and azys lla.

Fate drops are 100% for gold.

Meanwhile this is the split for HW areas

proud edge
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Oh, I'm grinding fates which is why I didnt understand

brisk quail
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Memories in Bozja is any kills (at a chance duh)

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So any kills in the south area drop sorrow

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Any kills in the central section drops another... ect

proud edge
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Thank you!

open verge
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Can you wear whatever you want

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Or does it actually matter th gear you have on?

odd yoke
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Your gear doesn't matter

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You're basically hard set to 430

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Kinda like pvp

open verge
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Nice

maiden lodge
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Also mettle does not affect your stats either

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So that I-rank will always be a joke. That V-rank will always impact your colon.

shell merlin
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what a guy

faint dagger
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one thing i'd diss with bozja

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so many named characters

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so little time

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only about when i cleared CLL i felt i was to grips with it all

shell merlin
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after that ^ there is no more bozja quest right

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for now

wary perch
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You have that field note collection though

severe brook
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most of the named characters feel more like side stories you occasionally interact with, like the Blades

faint dagger
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yeah, i guess

severe brook
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but i can understand how it'd feel overwhelming

faint dagger
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it was just a ton of names thrown at my face at speed

shell merlin
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oh im upset
Im 23/28 for the fending chest

dim sigil
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So you're saying I can wear level 1 gear

maiden lodge
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yeah it doesn't matter

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it's like potd

spiral wagon
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WE FINISHEDS

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WITH LESS THAN A MINUTE

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WE WIPED LIKE 3-4 TIMES

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started the final boss at like 8.5 minutes left

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HOLY FUCK

agile otter
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Enjoy the rest of the story.

desert stone
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You would love LUCT, @faint dagger

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You get like three to four new names of minor characters per chapter

faint dagger
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...luct?

desert stone
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And then said minor character gets blown up immediately

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Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together

spiral wagon
desert stone
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Matsuno also wrote it

unreal wadi
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Oh...

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Oh that's fucked

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Oh that's fucked up

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What the hell was that ending

desert stone
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I don't recommend reading the character entries for LUCT though

unreal wadi
desert stone
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It's very depressing

heady shadow
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your making me want to actually get in that place now

gaunt star
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was matsuno responsible for the bad average story of FF12

unreal wadi
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That ending to Castrum Lacus Lactorie

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is very depressing

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what the fuck man

gaunt star
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Or was it written after he was off the project

unreal wadi
heady shadow
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but my ps4 is acting weird

brisk quail
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That ending to Castrum Lacus Lactorie

WoL 4 seconds later: welp. I'm off to collect more souls for my shiny weapon

desert stone
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Well, his original plan was to have Basch be the MC

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So I assume a bunch of it got rewritten to make Vaan and Penelo relevant

unreal wadi
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Oh that's fucked

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yeah...

heady shadow
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well, at least vaan

desert stone
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HEY, Penelo is totally relevant

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All eight seconds of her

brisk quail
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Well, his original plan was to have Basch be the MC

That's a weird way to spell balthier

wary perch
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Can and panelo is the shitiest thing happened in xii

heady shadow
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hey

wary perch
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Like why are they even there

heady shadow
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balthier isnt even in this content

desert stone
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Japan

heady shadow
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basch is

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so reee

unreal wadi
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||So great, we've lost all our main allies. This is fucked man.||

wary perch
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I already expected from start the start when I saw them using resistance relic

brisk quail
wary perch
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Like you know how much shit I go through for that weapon and you wave it around like it's some cheap weapon

brisk quail
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Balthier Main Character

gaunt star
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Balthier's story was so disapointing in FF12

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He had so much set up

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And then nothing

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They literally made an identical character to kill off

unreal wadi
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WELL

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I GUESS WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN 5.45

gaunt star
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My favourite thing was when Vaan went "My brother!" to Gabranth

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and everyone ignored him