@unique verge I don't think that's been mentioned for sure... and lest you forget, Venat is the Ancient's name, not their Station. Azem would be the Station.
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
gaunt star
unique verge
We are literally Azem. Which would make us as broken and fucking screwed up as Elidibus.
if we were the heart
carmine basin
Venat was never part of the convocation
teal geyser
Azem is the defector who Venat said wasn't joining them
carmine basin
^
gaunt star
Azem is the defector from the convocation. Who didn't join the hydaelyn simps
sick moon
Azem literally is a neutral party
teal geyser
Venat can't be talking about herself
unique verge
Yup
subtle pasture
Yeah Venat is up there with uh, actual names, not office-names
unique verge
Azem told both teams to fuck off
gaunt star
Venat said something about the defector? Someone have a link?
unique verge
and went their own way
subtle pasture
w/ Hythlodaeus and Hades
tough zinc
Good and evil are in many ways just a matter of perspective, Emet-Selch being a fine example. Also, Azem declined partaking in the summoning of Hydaelyn, according to the Anyder cutscenes where we learn Elidibus is the heart of Zodiark.
teal geyser
Someone get it
subtle pasture
One of the recordings found in Anamnesis was about how Team Venat had reached out to the dissident, but the former 14th turned them down as well
tough zinc
we are basically the third faction there
subtle pasture
Ya'know it's pretty symbolic-- or, pretty blatant,
gaunt star
Okay, I found what you were referring to.
gaunt star
"I had hoped the defector, at least, would side with us, but I regret to report our overtures have gone unanswered."
sick moon
I know this is a general joke, but the WoL, Azem, is primarily a Warrior. A class that wields a giant "fuck off" axe.
unique verge
Conveniently
unique verge
I was looking at this very section of the datamined lines
Here's the whole thing
299 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002730_ANCIENTSA <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>Thank you all for joining us at Anyder in these most perilous of times.<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
300 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002740_ANCIENTSA <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>By the summoning of Zodiark have we been granted a reprieve. Yet immutable as the laws He has woven may seem, they will not serve to forestall our doom.<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
301 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002750_ANCIENTSB <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>Nay. Should we continue down this path, our fate will be the same.<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
302 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002760_ANCIENTSB <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>I said as much to the Convocation, of course, but the stubborn fools turned a deaf ear to my warnings.<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
303 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002770_ANCIENTSB <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>I had hoped that the defector, at least, would side with us, but I regret to report our overtures have gone unanswered.<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
304 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002780_ANCIENTSB <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>Whither tend your thoughts, Venat? Where you lead, we will follow.<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
305 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002790_VENAS <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>I shall not speak ill of the Convocation─they too seek only to secure the future of our star.<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
306 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002800_VENAS <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>Yet it is plain they will not countenance a permanent solution. That being the case, we must ask ourselves a simple question: are we prepared to pursue our chosen course, even should it mean suffering the eternal condemnation of our brethren?<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
307 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002810_VENAS <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>If so, I see no further reason to demur.<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
308 TEXT_VOICEMAN_05200_002820_VENAS <UIForeground>F20223</UIForeground>Let us bring forth the Light that shall ever after keep the Darkness in check.<UIForeground>01</UIForeground>
carmine basin
Venas = Venus = The Hydaelyn faction is named after planets 
teal geyser
Okay that's nice
carmine basin
Btw joking
subtle pasture
VENAS
teal geyser
Venass
carmine basin
Though since Hydaelyn ended up being the name of their planet...
tough zinc
Personal speculation is that Fandaniel was already tempered by somethin/someone else that manipulated the events that unfolded. So there's team Zodiark, Hydaelyn, Azem and the instigators (first thing that comes to mind is somethin Jenovalike)
unique verge
@teal geyser https://github.com/xivapi/ffxiv-datamining
If you're interested. The stuff i was looking at is under /csv/cut_scene/ Ancients with unique voices are labelled with their actual names.
subtle pasture
Venat being Venas being Venus is a fairly neat parallel as well
the morning star, hah.
Actually, what is Venat's name in JP
subtle pasture
But how is it written,
teal geyser
Oh um
gaunt star
I think he means what Kanji are used
teal geyser
Not sure
gaunt star
because Kanji themselves have meanings.
subtle pasture
The Katakana for Venahhhhh that is,
tough zinc
was katakana iirc
teal geyser
I was going to say something...
subtle pasture
Well the idea I had now was that the katakana for Venat and an alt spelling of Venus wouldn't be too different
teal geyser
Oh yeah what was the antagonist of XII called again?
carmine basin
ヴェーナス
gentle temple
Now that I think of it, some of the terminology had kanji in XIII, as wordplay. Pulse was written with the kanji for hell, iirc.
Or to
gaunt star
@tough zinc is that the Katakana? Because that Says Be-nasu
subtle pasture
FANTASY WORDS
carmine basin
Nvm not that
gentle temple
Ve-na-to would be valid.
teal geyser
Tell that to the players @subtle pasture
carmine basin
ヴェーネス veenesu
gentle temple
Oh, didn't know it was silent XD
gentle temple
I'm gonna have to play XII someday just for XIV lore
subtle pasture
now the question is which was written first, JP or EN 
teal geyser
You'll get confused
gaunt star
@subtle pasture obviously the german was written first
unique verge
I tried to play 12. I found the main character to be insufferable and i lost interest.
teal geyser
The whole auracite and zodiac stuff goes over my head in Ivalice games
gaunt star
@unique verge Vaan is pretty insufferable.
teal geyser
@subtle pasture FFXII character was written first
subtle pasture
Well I mean what came first, the JP name for the ancient or the decision to name her Venat elsewhere
...if that makes sense
gentle temple
I didn't like any character but Larsa and Balthier when I tried. The story bored me, and Ashe is still my most hated character ever.
teal geyser
The decision for the reference @subtle pasture
gentle temple
Balthier was not cool enough to save it.
teal geyser
Duh
subtle pasture
Hm, so now, what's Venat's name in JP XII-- eh I'm just dragging this on further,
gaunt star
@subtle pasture obviously the english translation came after the japanese story writing
subtle pasture
I think my idea is that Venat was named Venus in a first draft
as in, FFXIV Venat
gentle temple
Been meaning to give it another shot now that I'm older and might not be bored by the political story? (Though I still suspect it just wasn't that well done)
teal geyser
I'd agree if Venat wasn't already an established character in FF
The political story is far from the worst part
It feels rushed at the end but that's it
unique verge
The characters just felt super unlikable
gaunt star
I disliked Vaan way more than Penelo
carmine basin
Japanese name for planets uses kanji for elements
teal geyser
Penelo was just annoying and served an even lesser purpose
carmine basin
Venus is 金星 which has the kanji gold in it
teal geyser
Hydaelyn rich confirmed
subtle pasture
Hmmm... for another thing,
teal geyser
I mean
subtle pasture
It's Vuh-nah, not Ve-nah, no?
gaunt star
@subtle pasture the data mined name is Venas
unique verge
I was mostly meme'ing because of that ridiculous scene with Asahi-meatsuit throwing coins everywhere
teal geyser
But so is Fandaniel
@unique verge well Zenos is a Vayne reference, Venat followed Vayne to set the world free from gods, Fandaniel is helping Zenos
All makes sense baby
gaunt star
Look up in the CODE section of what @unique verge posted
carmine basin
fathom mica
asahi meatsuit 😆
subtle pasture
No I know, I'm still stuck on the fact that the audio file and JP writing of her name aren't Venat
unique verge
That'd be a hell of a twist
gaunt star
what would?
unique verge
Though probably a really bad one
subtle pasture
Like, yes, I know she is Venat, but those technical bits are making me think she could alternatively be called Venus
which, still draws interesting parallels to the sun-stars shtick
carmine basin
Might be a japanese person writing with the EN name in mind?
teal geyser
Probably
carmine basin
Worth noting that they never changed exarch from MYSTERYVOICE
he's still coded as that as far as 5.2
gaunt star
The japanese comes before the english, it's a japanese game made by a japanese company. The localisers are the ones who picked the english spelling.
unique verge
Its worth keeping in mind
subtle pasture
But there still isn't an -ee sound in Venat,
but I think I'd need to check how its said in the original voicework of XII, huh
unique verge
that these voice ID's in teh code are likely that way specifically because you dont program in fucking japanese
lol
teal geyser
@gaunt star except again this is a reference to another game. They didn't really write the name. It was already written
gaunt star
@teal geyser Which was made in japan by a japanese company and had localisers.
teal geyser
sigh
gaunt star
I'm well aware it's referencing back to 12.
subtle pasture
I think the point 'm getting at is Venat might have been added after as Venus/Venas still fits very well for the role the character plays
but this is speculating on behind the scenes stuff 
carmine basin
This is more anyway, we need more names from the Hydaelyn faction to be sure
gaunt star
Aerith/Aeris anyone?
tough zinc
On another note though: With the Crystal Tower, Omega and Alexander being linked to the ShB story and Bahamut being a sort of ending story for the rebirth of the game and Ivalice being tied into the relicquest and possibly more to come, I wonder whether the Warring Triad (Unukalhai for example), the Mhachi story and the Auspice trials will have any further involvement and in what form.
subtle pasture
Absolutely, but it is still interesting her soundbite is named Venas too
carmine basin
Btw aren't the planets' names are based on roman gods? Or am I misremembering
gaunt star
@subtle pasture There isn't a hard T in Japanese. The Japanese came first, and there is not a hard T in Japanese.
teal geyser
Unukalhai is never leaving that room :'(
gaunt star
the language does not have a hard T.
teal geyser
@carmine basin yes
subtle pasture
Right, but the file name isn't written in Japanese
carmine basin
Does Unulkalhai magically disappear whenever the scions use that room to meet
gaunt star
No, the filename is written in english.
teal geyser
Except Uranus because that's ur anus
carmine basin
I only did his questline after ShB
tough zinc
Unukalhai knows we beat Elidubus
subtle pasture
cuts to Unu hiding behind one of the partitions
tough zinc
yet the reason as to why Elidibus saved him in the first place is still a mystery.
unique verge
Maybe not
teal geyser
Saved him so he can kill him later
subtle pasture
As a pawn, very Eli's MO
tough zinc
idk, somethin tells me we haven't seen the last of the 13th
subtle pasture
as he said in 5.3 it's far from the first time he's used WoL's
gaunt star
I'm not sure we've seen the last of any of them.
teal geyser
Same reason Cylva was saved
gaunt star
They're all in the Life Stream. 😄
subtle pasture
The question is,
carmine basin
G'raha Tia: gets invited to the Scions immediately
Unulkalhai: freeloads in Rising Stone and not invited to anything
unique verge
In the lore channel, it was theorhized when that datamine got pushed that revealed that the two ascians who appear in Elidibus flashbacks are Lahabrea and Igeyorhm, that Elidibus was quite close with them and they were close with each other. A trio if you will. Elidibus would have wanted to help his friend clean up after the screwup.
subtle pasture
why he used the kid and sent the trained adult to some lessers
carmine basin
unique verge
and i suspect that the people picked to be saved were very specifically chosen
If i were to take a guess
One of them is Igeyorhm's shard from the 13th
and the other is most likely OUR shard from the 13th
Cyelle most likely being ours
carmine basin
What are the chances that he's Azem's shard that he rescued so it won't be lost 
unique verge
and Ukelele most likely being Iggy's
tough zinc
it's a possibility for sure, Aya
unique verge
We only know of two survivors from the 13th. Two people whose souls were saved.
Correct?
If so, it would make sense that Elidibus would prioritize the saving of his sundered friends.
subtle pasture
Those are the only two we've been presented, yes
tough zinc
Unukalhai and Cylva, unless Gaia turns out to be from there as well
unique verge
so that they could eventually be rejoined
carmine basin
Hang out around at least
He's just in the Solar not talking to anyone else 😭
He and Urianger can banter too I think
half tendon
Do we even get the option to tell him about cylva
unique verge
my proposition is that he saved them so that after every other rejoining is complete, he could rejoin them to the then 13/14 Iggy/Azem
carmine basin
Nope
half tendon
"oh yeah bro she made it out of that btw"
carmine basin
They can't really meet either unless one of them decided to abandon their current flesh to find a new host
unique verge
Who cant really meet?
tough zinc
honestly though, this patch has been a treat on the amount of lore speculation you can do on it
unique verge
Oh, yes, that would be impossible by our current standards
half tendon
i mean we could just
hoover up unuk's soul and then go "HEY CYLVA WANNA SEE A COOL TRICK"
frozen blade
No we couldn't, it only worked for the Exarch and the Scions because they had bodies to return to on the Source
unique verge
I mean, we technically could reunite them if my theory is correct
frozen blade
I think you'd need to do the Exarch's summoning ritual to do that the way you're intending
unique verge
The same way we "reunited" Arbert and Seto, hah
tough zinc
Unu and Cylva meeting is one of the more interesting meetings for sure, along with G'raha and Fordola. I wanna know how she would react when her echo kicks in.
unique verge
Eat the soul of the one that's our shard. And then go say hi to the other one.
frozen blade
Seems kind of immoral, don't you think?
unique verge
I think its been set up such that it will happen eventually.
They could have written it so that nobody survived the 13th
yet here's two people who did
If we needed to be rejoined further to save the world
Cyelle would willingly give her life for that, i am certain
carmine basin
I guess the fact that Unulkalhai is just hanging out in Rising Stones means they're gonna reuse him someday
unique verge
Unkul, who knows. Maybe
carmine basin
Otherwise he would've left/disappear at the end of Warring Triad
unique verge
Though i am working under the assumption that Cyelle is the Azem-shard of the 13th
Pure speculation territory at this point
Could be Unkul too. Or could be neither. But it seems like an interesting open possibility, given what we've learned in 5.0-5.3
tough zinc
Speaking of rejoining. Going by the Azim-Azeyma link to Azem. What are the odds our fellow Scions can be traced back to other beings, like others of the Twelve? I could see Alphinaud and Urianger being Thaliak and maybe Nymeia. G'raha as Althyk, Y'shtola as Nophica, Cid as Byregot. Wonder whether they will get a chance to rejoin as well.
unique verge
Its...possible? But i hope they dont go that direction.
I think the whole Azem-rejoining thing is an okay thing to keep going for awhile.
But if everyone starts having a major significant ancient self, it cheapens the whole thing (and starts making things rather convoluted on top of it)
tough zinc
hmm, you have a point
unique verge
I think if one of the two survivor of the 13th is our fragment, it will likely be a story-thing that they end up merging with us so we're strong enough to beat (whatever the fuck Zenos is cooking up involving Zodiark)
Just as Ardbert merging with us gave us a significant power-up to be able to take on and beat Hades
and hopefully, that both puts an end to the Zodiark/Hydaelyn arc, as well as the rejoinings plotline. I hope it doesnt go past 10/14, as i think it will become too predictable of a plot device if it does.
tough zinc
the ending of the 5.3 cutscenes did imply that this next story chapter wraps up the tale of Zodiark/Hydaelyn
I'm up for anything, as long as it's fun.
half tendon
after 6.0, the game will now be a zenos yae galvus dating sim
unique verge
Technically, Zenos sos Galvus
stable island
Guys, Elidibus did said his dream was like Azem before he was sealed.
I am thinking, he said in 5.2 that he was just another warrior of light saving the world, does that mean he was the first WoL because he coined the term?
There are 6 types of adds in the seat of sacrifice too. (From 6 still sundered existing shards?)
And yes, we invade Garlemald in 6.x, it was founded by an Ascian and they worshipped Zodiark, so we have proof now.
stable island
Blasbo, there are still things to explore, there are still area's where we haven't been yet.
unique verge
We do not "have proof" that 6.0 is Garlemald
It could be fucking anything at this point
Also
your use of 6 adds is wrong.
tough zinc
It did say we would venture into the domain of the beast G'raha was talkin about, which does strongly imply Garlemald.
unique verge
the WoL (us) is 9/14 rejoined. Meaning only 5 outstanding shards.
Yes, but remember
back in 4.3 we were all convinced 5.0 was Garlemald
4.4 was the start of any doubts about that and people still thought it was Garlemald
tough zinc
they could be saying it that way just to make us believe that, that's for sure
unique verge
Until 4.5 / 4.55 any speculation as to the setting of 6.0 is just that - speculation and nothing more
tough zinc
it's all guesses until we have finished ShB and seen the expansion announcement
gaunt star
I'm going to miss Norvrandt.
carmine basin
It's possible we don't go to Garlemald again
stable island
Balmerick and 3.4 then? 😁
We know now that was foreshadow of 5.x
What if they did it again? That is very possible.
carmine basin
Since other content in this patch have us dealing with Garlemald
unique verge
Yes. It's possible
carmine basin
Bozja and Ruby weapon
stable island
Anyway, we know it for sure in the future.
gaunt star
I want there to be a Norvrandt time skip and us return to Norvrandt for something.
gaunt star
because time isn't always the same between realms.
unique verge
There's...any number of fucked up things that could happen
FF isnt beyond having a world-altering apocalypse
6.0 could very well be one
tough zinc
Also, just my mind running wild, but .... Azem, Azim, Azeyma -> The Sun, Nhaama, Menphina -> The Moon........ Is Tsukuyomi involved in this?
stable island
Possible, but that makes me wonder.
How the hell are you doing that?
You can't completely alter area's for specific players for story purposes.
carmine basin
We'll hopefully get hints before the year ends
unique verge
Yes. I'm simply saying to try and state with any authority "6.0 is definitely Garlemald" or "we will definitely go there soon" is ridiculous.
We have no proof of any kind.
gaunt star
I think there needs to be stakes.... bad things need to happen to people we care about.
gentle temple
They can alter areas to a point.
stable island
Like the catboy in ShB.
gentle temple
Look at stuff like beast tribes where the HQ looks totally different based on where you are in the questline.
unique verge
idk, i think there's a strong case to be made for it
the ARR zones look extremely dated compared to later content
limitations of their development tools of the time, no doubt
gaunt star
@gentle temple instancing has been a thing since Lich King came out... so yeah.
gentle temple
And if they were to screw up an area they could handwave it the same way they do redoing dungeons.
stable island
But not completely Lukh'a.
A weather change is possible or small area's, but not 2 different worlds.
gentle temple
You're 'remembering' gathering in that area >_>
unique verge
I see no reason why they couldnt do it.
Have a pre and post apocalypse version of every zone. Those past that point in MSQ land in the post version, those prior land in the pre version. keep gathering nodes existing where they always have.
There's no reason from a design/development standpoint this cannot be accomplished
I'm not suggesting they necessarily should - but there's nothing that says they cant
stable island
Simple, you need 2 intances of every area then.
One normal one and one changed version, that means they need to double the servers, if that is even possible ofc. Don't think SQEX HQ allows it.
That also create another problem, how can you play with friends who just started? You can never see them, because you have a flag of completion and get into version 2, you are required to NG+ it then.
They won't do it, too costly and too troublesome.
tough zinc
changing walls to broken down rubble, turning rivers red, changing the skies and changing to look of already untraversable terrain is very possible, without needing different actual zones that seperate players between those that did or didn't do it
unique verge
.....why woudl they need to double the servers
They already run 4+ instances of every zone on patch release day
Saying they need to double the server is ridiculous and wrong
robust atlas
Was I the only one who, leading up to the hero’s gauntlet, of as thinking the second boss would be a primal/summoned version of that one WoL from 5.2? Tizuna or whatever?
unique verge
Nope, i didnt think that at all.
Because we already had figured out what those things were more or less at that point.
gaunt star
Why does Elidibus go to the moon rather than the aetherial void when he wishes solitude?
stable island
Because you need 2 versions of each area always running.
You can hire servers for cases as patch days and release them when they are no longer needed.
But of you need to keep 2 instances always alive, you need to have 2 times the servers to run it.
tough zinc
Tiuna? Would have been nice, but the narrative was that they were alive somewhere on another shard at this point in time and Tiuna has long passed away.
unique verge
@gaunt star well its widely speculated that Zodiarks.... "Body"? is on the moon
restive robin
Ive been progging WOL ex all day and now all I can hear is “YES TIME CIRCLES ENDLESSLY” stuck in my head
And “DARKNESS MUST BE DESTROYED”
unreal wadi
BEGONE
gaunt star
@unique verge do we see any of the other Ascians go to the moon, or just Elidibus?
unreal wadi
SPAWN OF SHADOW
restive robin
“GLEAMING STEEL LIGHT MY PATH”
unique verge
@gaunt star two whose names i forget are shown on "A" moon (not necessarily the sources moon) making the sales pitch to Cyelle to infiltrate Ardberts group.
mild girder
You still stand, very well....
restive robin
Seriously though thats my favorite trial when im not playing with idiots who refuse to heal me when I rez
“Heal yourself” they said
“You have physick” They said
tough zinc
hmm, I don't know much about the techical part of stuff, but I think that if they can have zones display differently clientside, like the beasttribe areas, they won't need new servers
unique verge
There's no reason to assume they need more servers
tough zinc
if it's full on seperate instances, then it would need more servers ofc
restive robin
“FOR VICTORY, I RENDER UP MY ALL!!”
unique verge
Like......a server isnt something you just say "this box runs Central Thanalan, and only that"
robust atlas
Not that close to the hero’s gauntlet, rather the bit where we were helping out in the Crystarium, and people kept talking about how the folks who heard the voice left to become warriors of light and hadn’t been heard from since. I recognize that’s not going to change any of your answers, but I just wanted to clarify
restive robin
“I AM SALVATION GIVEN FORM, MANKINDS FIRST HERO, AND HIS FINAL HOPE!”
unique verge
Its "this box runs this entire fucking world, and spawns up virtual machines within itself as needed" almost certainly.
restive robin
You can tell how much ive progged it because ive memorized all his voice lines
gaunt star
Any thoughts on the elf who didn't hear Hydaelyn's voice, but said it felt like "He had lost something precious to him"?
tough zinc
best line: "CLAD IN PRAYER, I AM INVINCIBLE!"
unique verge
The only thought i have on that, (he's not the only one with that reaction)
restive robin
Its because amaurot was precious to the ascians and they lost it
unique verge
is it may be significant that some people are awakend to the echo and others get the sadness
It may specifically mean something about one group vs. the other
But we have no real basis for making any conjecture as to what
robust atlas
I think everyone (or most people— some folks don’t seem to respond at all, oddly) remember Amaurot instinctively, as fragmented souls
tough zinc
Some whose fragmented echo is still strong enough to be awakened and others whose echo isn't strong enough or somethin, I'm guessing
unique verge
Maybe....but i think if it has meaning, it will be more significant than that.
tough zinc
Elidibus spoke about that in 5.2
unique verge
This is going to be wild speculation
but i think it may have to do with those who "survived" the final days intact before sundering
and those who were victims of zodiark/hydaelyn
or just died in general and didnt respawn before the sundering
robust atlas
It makes sense though. If you didn’t experience it as an ancient, what difference would it make if you saw it now
unique verge
Well, there's three distinct reactions
Either the Echo gets woken up
or the person gets overwhelmed by feelings of sadness
or nothing happens
I think there may be some meaning in the difference between the first two
drowsy ivy
My guess is that souls werent sundered into equal parts
Bigger parts get woken up
small parts feel sad
tiny parts feel nothing
solid knot
what do you get out of farming WoL EX trial
tough zinc
weapons, music, crafting mat for the barding and a mount
solid knot
is it a high ilvl weapon
tough zinc
you can preview the weapons in Eulmore
solid knot
oh right
tough zinc
idk of the top of my head
solid knot
Ronitt is going to build a fleet of tanks
i didnt realize the new beast tribe quest would be the beginning of Dwarven imperialism
im all in
torpid yoke
495
heady shadow
Hmmmm....
heady shadow
if our WoL remembered everything...
pretty sure the thought they would be thinking when fighting Elidibus: ||Thts not wht I look like but I appreciate the effort kid.||
rndom dribble btw
torpid yoke
So in the back left corner is that ascian wearing a black mask or a red mask
violet glade
Looks black to me
heady shadow
it looks weird.
turbid aspen
derplander was handsome af as azem 😳
solid knot
what use is saving the First from the ascians if Ronitt is just going to conquer what's left anyway
heady shadow
btw
unique verge
I dont think you can really tell. The distance/distortion is severe
heady shadow
cn we mention how theres one of the right side thts hiding their fce?
tough zinc
no specific identities given in the game to those characters, but it could be true, could not be
might be somethin to save up, just in case somethin about it comes up later
torpid yoke
well i wouldnt say they were hiding but it feels like they arnt telling us everything about that one
also just gonna leave this nice read here https://privatter.net/p/6292419
heady shadow
I think it would be nice cllbck to older FF
severe brook
yeah the others seem to be referencing most of the IV cast:
Dark Knight is Cecil
Black Mage and White Mage are Palom and Porom
Bard is Rosa
Summoner is Rydia
Ninja is Edge
Warrior is Cid
unique verge
I dont really like that writeup Rymi
heady shadow
since they were WoL I guess?
unique verge
They take ALOT of liberties on the designs "matching"
severe brook
i don't think they're meant to literally be the IV characters, it's just alluding to them
heady shadow
well yeh. ffxiv is known to do tht.
severe brook
i think i just misunderstood what Balmerick was saying
heady shadow
its just nice touch either wy
severe brook
i thought they were referring to the designs of the WoL's adds taking liberties compared to the IV cast
unique verge
@severe brook i was referencing the link Rymi posted
where someone postulates Azem's mask design
severe brook
yeah i realized after actually reading the link
torpid yoke
the glyph looks really similar to the meteor survivor tat though
unique verge
the what now?
severe brook
i do think that the section of the Azem Glyph is just as likely as anything to be the face mask, but the Shadowless mask probably isn't one
torpid yoke
unique verge
what is that, exactly
viscid monolith
The Glyph in that Tweet is just fanon
heady shadow
tht tat is what people who plyed .0 to the bitter end get
unique verge
i dont really see any passing similarity between that, the mask, or the ground glyph.
The designs arent even close to one another
viscid monolith
They aren't meant to be close. People just want the tattoo to be the mask
severe brook
if azem's mask is anything we've seen before, it's probably that part of the Azem Glyph, since that's the only thing explicitly connected to Azem
unique verge
I see zero similarity between the tattoo and the ground glyph.
severe brook
i don't think the tattoo has anything to do with it
unique verge
Rymi seems to be claiming that
severe brook
i mean it's in the otherwise grounded glyph chart
heady shadow
have you seen the scin glyphs compred to wht they ctully re?
are*
(screw this lptop
viscid monolith
What glyph chart
severe brook
i think they removed it
torpid yoke
viscid monolith
Also why fo people keep removing links
torpid yoke
severe brook
this chart
severe brook
it's set evidence except for the tattoo being added
i agree that there is no connection between the patterns on azem's glyph and the legacy tattoo
torpid yoke
i just like the chart for seeing who's alive
severe brook
i mean except for the legacy tattoo being the placeholde for azem's glyph it's a good resource otherwise
shows the crystals and the mask designs' origins
torpid yoke
i can accept it being a placeholder
solid knot
seeds of linking Azem to the WoL were at least as far back as Stormblood but i guess Natsuko Ishikawa wasn't around for the transition from 1.0 to 2.0
severe brook
i mean i don't think there'd be any reason for the legacy tattoo to be azem's glyph
how would the tattoo artist know what azem's mask looks like
heady shadow
I dont think it's something tht we need to worry bout rn
we need to worry bout wht fndniel is gonn do
echo orbit
i mean i don't think there'd be any reason for the legacy tattoo to be azem's glyph
how would the tattoo artist know what azem's mask looks like
@severe brook 🤔
severe brook
thonking indeed
torpid yoke
i will at least say the mask reminds me of an ascian shades face
we need to worry bout wht fndniel is gonn do
@heady shadow simple he's gonna take back the menagerie and make that zenos dog pen
forest magnet
great
now 1.0 players can claim they'
are the true azem
also can't wait to be vored by fandaniel
heady shadow
xD
torpid yoke
maybe for the final instance for 6.0 we do the fusion dance with zenos to beat up fandandan Kappa
drowsy ivy
Just let us kill of zenos for the last time already
the psycho with a boner for violence only is so overplayed
torpid yoke
idk i feel like they might end up not killing him for whatever reason
coarse pond
SE killed best villan out there already
Emet Seth
Selh
Idk
And now we have baby villans
🚼
echo orbit
so 6.0, end of ascian
what's 7.0?
do they even have anything to hint of what's next?
coarse pond
Probably other shard + continent on the source we haven't yet visited
flat merlin
Ascian 2 electric boogaloo
coarse pond
Well if Zordiak's crystal is made of Ancient's aether who sacrificed theirself then I guess as long as he and Hydaleyn exist...
Idk
Because everyone in the first and source is also made of their aether isn't
Nothing like yet another patch that doesn't answer many questions
coarse pond
Omega is an alien
unique verge
inb4 its the Nier aliens
echo orbit
ok, my guess, sharlayan mage does experiment, attracts aliens that mess everything up
gotta stop them
oh no
heady shadow
sigh
I cant see Isiladur visit Homel
or whtever the nme is
till Im dont with ther doman reconstruction thing on this chrcter
grave leaf
Is there any chance Fandaniel is one of our reflections that got promoted to be an ascian or are the Wols fragments like ardbert unpromotable
unique verge
Hmm
Your question provokes an interesting thought
New ascians cant be promoted anymore, right? Because arent the crystals we collected in 5.3 the method by which that is done?
Additionally, given the lengths Emet went to conspire to help us against his own tempering, i doubt he'd promote an Azem
and i doubt the other Ascians would know about that crystal
grave leaf
I'm not savvy on how its done but fandaniel has been a thing since before we downed emet iirc. Like he showed up around the time we assaulted amaurot
Just wondering if that would be a neat twist if someone tried to pop one of our reflections up since our source self wasn't having any of that, and its not going so well esp with no unsundered left
stuck yarrow
barring a twist, fandaniel isn't a fragment of us
fandaniel would be a fragment of the original fandaniel, not Azem
grave leaf
Ah I thought only unsundered kept their convocation names
grave leaf
That name is so out there like fandaniels that I figured no way one of the seats was named that lol
unique verge
We actually know all of the seat names and their status
floral idol
6.0: We must defeat Hildibrand
coarse pond
They look like they all represent one power right
Like earth wind darkness
It smells like twelve
Like the twelve gods or am I wrong
potent marsh
@floral idol 7.0 we must save godbert from becoming zodiarks vessel
floral idol
Holy shit I would pay big money for that
unique verge
Nope
Alot of people are trying to make that leap but there just isnt any proof to back it up yet.
unique verge
Which in itself dispels the theory.
because the convocation was 14
and the gods are 12
echo orbit
nald'thal are two 😄
unique verge
The only way to get to 12 is if you subtract Azem and Elidibus (Azem defected and left, Elidibus became the heart of Zodiark)
unique verge
Still absolutely no proof of it other than "14 is a number thats close to 12"
echo orbit
1+2 = 3; 4-1 = 3, coincidence?!
unique verge
Yes, yes, illuminati confirmed. good job uplander.
coarse pond
Yeah but other than Azeyama the other god's description doesn't fit any Ascian
Guess WoL is truly a God above Zordiak and Hydaleyn
😩
subtle pasture
To be technical about it, there's the Office of Azem, and the last Azem,
We're just the latter, so I wouldn't be too surprised other vestiges of the position had endured
unique verge
Ehhhh, no?
subtle pasture
to become the origins of entities such as the Dawn Father and Azeyma
echo orbit
???
unique verge
Oh, okay
I thought you were trying some "we're not really Azem" shit
ive seen some of that lately
lol
subtle pasture
--well, the current I suppose. Given the soul's been in the cycle, etc, etc
No yeah, I'm making a distinction between the office and our former self
inb4 we were some punk just elected last week
well, we were in the position before Hades became Emet, which is an unknown space of time before the Final Days
so 
So the more important question is,
how did Azem become friends with those two nerds
Hythlo, maybe. We were way too cool to be friends with pre-Emet Hades
noble tartan
By sheer virtue of his swagger
The whole no-homo deal
hugs, winks, good night kisses for the homies
unique verge
he would go to crystal, that fucking degenerate
heady shadow
i never seen them
Hmm.....
I wonder if graha saying :the beast of the apocalypse; might allude to something similar to the Beast in revelation......
or im going crazy because my cat apparently thinks it's oky to lay on the keyboard i hve plugged into the ps4 spamming cht s she licks her fur.....
tawdry bramble
the final days of amaurot borrow heavily from the book of revelations
possibly a repeat on the way, some of the descriptions of the beasts loosely fit enemies and characters from our current timeline
the First Doom = Nael Van Darnus summoning meteor
hybrid nimbus
more of a meta question but do we know if anything is confirmed post 6.0?
gaunt star
as in what
hybrid nimbus
6.0 not being the final expansion
considering each xpac sets new sub records I would imagine no but the way they say "final chapter of the story of this star"
rain onyx
hold on, im finding the exact text that explains it clearly
@hybrid nimbus ok I can't find the message but to explain it:
6.0 is not the end of FFXIV. What it is the end of is the ongoing "Hydaelyn vs Zodiark" arc that's been happening since 2.0. Yoshi-P plans to keep working on FFXIV until it's no longer profitable or when he is physically unable to do so.
unique verge
FF14 is probably the most profitable property SE has. So Yoshi gonna be on FF14 until they wheel him out of the building.
noble tartan
Nah he gets Futurama braintanked and our descendants can play FFXIV and ERP forever
wary pond
i mean they can always do one of two
a new enemy emerges
or adventuring in the new world
maybe we see a new final days but of eorzea
fluid basalt
time to visit the moon
noble tartan
tbh I would love a FFXIV-2 as a spiritual successor but new engine and new story
Clearing up Zodiark vs Hydaelin would be nice finish if we also clear up why the apocalypse happened in the first place
stiff charm
i hope 7.0 is whatever caused the final days
thats the logical progression i think
from (i assume) zenos/zodiark being final boss of 6.0
ashen wyvern
I'm also suspecting 7.0 will be about the source of the Final Days
Either way, this is gonna be interesting
But yeah they did mention that they have story content for many years to come anyway, and also that they can't see ffxiv ending in the foreseeable future
dapper yarrow
FYI: This channel will be archived in about an hour or so.
When that happens, please use #archived-lore-spoilers for spoiler discussion about patch 5.3.
ashen wyvern
The game sure has been a source of comfort for me especially during 2020 so far...
unique verge
ITS THE FINAL DAYS YA'LL
noble tartan
Is Corona actually Black Rose
wary perch
Another patch spoiler rejoined to lore spoiler
gaunt star
I love how Urianger only pulls out one card when he's being sassy in a cutscene cuz sleeve draw got nerfed
wary pond
placid sail
heady shadow
till 5.4
heady shadow
tht is how it always is though
to the people who read this later: hope 5.4 was great(dont @ me)
dapper yarrow
This channel is now archived until the next time it's needed for a live letter or major patch.
Until then, the discussion continues in#archived-lore-spoilers. o/
teal geyser
So how about them Bozjans ay?
unreal wadi
wet crown
unreal wadi
INTERESTING
wet crown
Appraising 1000 times
unreal wadi
this is
urban hedge
whoa
unreal wadi
cassie earings
urban hedge
this early?
unreal wadi
urban hedge
dedgaem
teal geyser
That's pretty sick
wet crown
Oh btw, Lyon is a duel fight.
swift kraken
datamine 
wet crown
at least an achievement says so
urban hedge
were there datamines of new relic stages?
swift kraken
its not evena datamine
urban hedge
unreal wadi
apparising 1000 times?
urban hedge
i'd like my weapon to not be a tree
swift kraken
its an achievement
unreal wadi
is that the
teal geyser
Wait
wet crown
yes, the lost actions
swift kraken
you mean the glowy weapons?
teal geyser
We get to duel Lyon for position of lore mentor?
swift kraken
the glowy weaps were datamined ages ago
pulsar yacht
it's 2 step for both combat and craft/gather. 500 combat is the 60 fates (20 of 3 types), and 6step 2 is 6 dungeons or more front line action (probably crit engagments)
wet crown
Gabriel is the duel on the lower half of the map, so I assume Lyon is in Old Bozja
the middle
pulsar yacht
crafting relic quest requirements are written like shit. crafting the turn in is nop problem but it doesn't say how many of the gob stuff is needed for the upgrade
pulsar yacht
nevermind journal says 90 pots
which means 45 max quality turn ins
earring is from 1000 logos/lost action evaluations (so a fate grind)
moops drop actions ocasionally although i wouldn't count on that for earring prog
nova tundra
So nobody knows how many memories we need to upgrade weapon?
wet crown
you get fragments from adds on the map
and quite a lot, too
just kill the higher ranked ones
grave leaf
I take it critical engagements are pretty rare? Just did like 8 fates in Bozja and nothing
Was hoping to see at least one
pulsar yacht
I suspect the nm spawn rate is 1 hour (for the star mobs that spawn the criticals)
next quarry
How does one get the flight mech? I've seen a. Few with it
nova tundra
but I saw them spawning
pulsar yacht
I got into most criticals I tried
grave leaf
I heard people say there were a lot at the start and now none, so I guess theyre on a stock timer...?
pulsar yacht
red chocobo apocalypse critical can fuck right off
elder oak
Im hella getting that guardian angel title 
Should be quick with all the critical wipes
unreal wadi
i got into a couple
sterile moat
haha benediction on npc, get aggro for days
cosmic herald
just happen to see a whm get rekt in 1v1
sterile moat
i feel like we'll see a lot of whms doing that on fates with npcs
autos hurt but they're manageable
open palm
the quest "lost no longer" wants me to obtain a forgotten fragment, it has me at 0/1 despite me having a bunch, what gives there?
spare ibex
have to get it as a drop from a mob, apparently?
dusk drift
Maybe you need to actually turn it in?
elder hazel
You need a fragment of skill. The others aren't working.
open palm
ah thanks - I have caution ingenuity and preparation but not skill. And no, this is the quest to unlock turning them in, I literally can't turn them in until I obtain one for this big catman.
steel sleet
Bojza is recruiting green lanterns now?
tough fern
Good lord they bought back the killer red chocobos as a fate?
warm bone
yes
tough fern
warm bone
The Red Massacre of Yanxia will not be forgotten
devout musk
@next quarry lockbox
next quarry
I got the DRK middy sword
devout musk
Is it only Seeing horde weapons that drop?
next quarry
I think?
novel heron
So Niddy not Middy
next quarry
From a certain rank I'm guessing
vagrant sinew
I swear it's impossible to dodge the + and meteor combo
next quarry
Lockboxes are from ce right
graceful heron
How many items for first part of weapon
weary monolith
Whats the 3 different memories we need for the quest for the resistance weapons
vivid notch
that chocobo is fucking nasty
vivid notch
there's one of his moves that I don't know how you are supposed to dodge
it's the one with a bunch of meteor AoEs and then the meteors follow or some shit
river hamlet
guys how to upgarde the relic weapon? Have 20 of this shards
vivid notch
the one with the cross AoE and the pillars we managed to dodge
spare ibex
20 of all 3 kinds?
vivid notch
the other one was a nightmare
odd yoke
When the cross spawns, go to the area where the meteors first were
river hamlet
yeah
odd yoke
Otherwise they'll rotate around and hit you if.you stay in the "obvious" safe zone
spare ibex
kill mobs
grand parcel
So is Bozja fun?
river hamlet
nah
grand parcel
Oof
odd yoke
Better than eureka
polar star
fun is objective
vivid notch
also I think each area has one CE that triggers one 1v1 duel
spare ibex
its got potential, we'll see
vivid notch
for example, the only one in the beginning area is Gabriel
and it triggers after you murder the scorpion thing
I'm loving Bozja
gaunt star
So...that Critical Role achievement....like...that's not just a coincidence right?
grand parcel
And how does the 'Magicite' of this place work?
gaunt star
or am I reading too much into that
grand parcel
Just rank up to do tougher fates?
vivid notch
I think they mean the Actions
vivid notch
so you get the Lost Actions by doing the Fates and CEs
grand parcel
Actions?
vivid notch
and doing quests
weary monolith
Whats the 3 different memories we need for the quest for the resistance weapons
odd yoke
AND THEY AREN'T LOST WHEN YOU LEAVE THANK FUCK
vivid notch
they are basically loot boxes that drop one action
and then you first conver that action into a duty action
and then you slot that bitch in a duty slot (you got two)
polar star
I can't play until 4 pm :/
vivid notch
they have limited uses I think
weary monolith
WHATS THE 3 DIFFERENT MEMORIES
grand parcel
Are there actual loot boxes again like in anemos and pagos?
weary monolith
vivid notch
I'm using Lost Cure 3 that has 99 uses and Lost Protect
I don't know how many uses LP has, I think just one?
weary monolith
and how do i open my lost cache for the abilities
vivid notch
gotta drop it again if you want to use it again
weary monolith
JESUS CHRIST I FEEL LIKE A BROKEN RECORD
vivid notch
quartermaster opens the lost things for you
spare ibex
LP seems to have a lot of uses?
weary monolith
Whats the 3 different memories we need for the quest for the resistance weapons
vivid notch
if no one has answered that might be because no one here knows lmao
spare ibex
tortured, sorrowful, something
vivid notch
you can go to the Lost Cache at her side to see the ones you collected and put them in your thing
then you open the Lost Cache thing on the window that shows your rank and stuff
and there you convert them into duty actions
polar star
I'm gonna use Bozja to practice some jobs in actual content
Instead of striking bitches
autumn heron
Are the bozja gear sets dyeable?
spare ibex
anyone know who you turn in extra field notes to? can't find someone
open verge
How you unlock the bozja gear?
marsh osprey
@autumn heron yes
autumn heron
marsh osprey
they showed off different colors
vivid notch
@spare ibex historian
autumn heron
Good
vivid notch
you can use them in your inventory for lore or turn them to the Historian in front of the gate
autumn heron
Not a fan of the heavy green
spare ibex
ahhh, ty
devout musk
how do you actually upgrade your relic
marsh osprey
idk either
devout musk
yay
compact dagger
What's the new housing item other then the Oriental Wooden Deck?
ashen wyvern
do we know how many ranks there are in bozja currently
ashen sluice
it's a stuffed minion
there's also one of the dansleif too
also this is tradeable
marsh osprey
@ashen sluice whats the name
floral idol
i'm guessing the mount is random from teh chests?
next quarry
Lockboxes yeah
pulsar yacht
yes mount is from lockboxes, low chance of obtaining
marsh osprey
or rather the item name of the mount
ashen sluice
gabriel alpha
elfin bobcat
do we have any preview shots of the new gear?
ashen sluice
tradeable on mb
open verge
Ok I’m confused on the relic
devout musk
whats the name of the item
open verge
So do I equip my relic weapon while doing fates for memories?
devout musk
in your inventory
vagrant sinew
how did y'all fucking manage to do the rank 7 quest
open verge
Quest sfilll won’t progress and it’s in my inventory
pulsar yacht
i think it's just have the quest active while doing the fate in or out of southern front
polar star
What are the lockboxes called
spare ibex
@vagrant sinew what are you having trouble with?
pulsar yacht
basically same idea as anima crystal step
next quarry
What rank is relic?
spare ibex
bevause I just did it
spare ibex
dodge them
vagrant sinew
k
polar star
From your experiences in Eureka
spare ibex
remember sight aggro is forward of the mob
polar star
I know you're inept at dodging mobs.
spare ibex
short aggro behind
vagrant sinew
fuck off
pulsar yacht
if relic prog is locked to rank it's 2 or something really low. should be able to start it during unlock with 485 relic equipped (weapon prog is limited to one weapon at a time)
pulsar yacht
likely will be in 5.45
polar star
pepega
spare ibex
relic prog isn't linked to rank. you should be able to do it without entering bozja by doing fates
next quarry
I'm rank 6 and there is no way to upgrade inside Bozja yet
dry night
what
spare ibex
ah, I didn't go there at night. they did mention that a lot of undead were there in the quest text
vagrant sinew
so wait
what do I need to bring my relic out for then
is there some quest I need to do in gangos
devout musk
@next quarry you can get the memories of the dying
in bozja
just need to have the quest
ashen sluice
yeh the jecht-ish hairstyle
spare ibex
I'm rank 7 and have gotten 10 memories so far. not fast.
devout musk
quest is outside
spare ibex
need 60
graceful heron
20 of each type of memory
polar star
Wait wair
devout musk
three and 20 of each
spare ibex
20*3
graceful heron
3 tiers of the zone one memory per tier
polar star
Niddy weapons drop from lockboxes?
devout musk
yes
sterile moat
haha it's forgotten fragment cause they forgot to put it ingame
why is this shit drop rate so low
polar star
Welcome to Eureka
odd yoke
Kill higher rank mobs
vagrant sinew
wtf
gaunt star
me too I’m so excited
vagrant sinew
I got the duel thing, and I couldn't get in for some reason
sterile moat
i've been killing everything on the area i can walk
devout musk
need to be in range
odd yoke
Its random whos picked
odd yoke
Only 1 guy is
devout musk
wait
vagrant sinew
wait wtf
odd yoke
So far stuff is just going off really quickly
polar star
nice.
sterile moat
got to rank 4 before i got that crystal
unborn ferry
WHats the Gabriel α mount look like?
I cant find anything on google
And I just had one drop
Not sure if I wanna use it or sell it
devout musk
transforms into a jet when u fly
glacial turret
Does bozja have witcher music like gsngos?
glacial turret
Cool
unborn ferry
Ooooh boy now THIS is a mount
misty notch
@unborn ferry
gaunt star
@glacial turret its like an orchestra version of the Gangos theme but when you get in to a. fate/Skirmish it turns in to a rock version
unborn ferry
Thanks
glacial turret
Oh
unborn ferry
Used it and I love it
glacial turret
So rock witcher
misty notch
coudlve sold it for some millions
devout musk
i'll just get another one for myself
gaunt star
Yeah but when you’re not in a fight it’s like a piano / orchestra version of it
gaunt star
Yeah sell that shit on day 1 it’s probably going for like 10M right now lol
unborn ferry
The kid you called a Potato in high school:
unborn ferry
My server sells the mount for about 10mil atm
gaunt star
I play on Balmung where everything sells for like 200% more than on the others servers in my DC so when new shit drops I go to all the other servers and buy the new mounts then sell them on Balmung for like 200% more muwahaha
devout musk
whats the name of the actual item?
pulsar yacht
probbaly should have put mine on mb but meh. popped it so i don't have to hope I get another one
unborn ferry
Gabriel α identification key
misty notch
gabriel [alpha] something
pulsar yacht
"Gabriel α Identification Key"
gaunt star
It’s alright for those of us who plan to do the Bozja content there will be many opportunities to get more and sell them
There are some people who just don’t like this content and will buy everything instead
I made millions upon millions selling stuff from Eureka even years after it came out
pulsar yacht
yeah. I don't like it but it's not as bad as eureka
graceful heron
Thoughts on the uhhhh beast master stuff going on?
pulsar yacht
checked on twitch (channel i mod) and looks like the weapon prog is gated in the front (can't get the 20 of the 2nd and 3rd memory types until other parts of the map are unlocked)
gaunt star
has anyone uh, gotten any of the glamour yet?
unreal wadi
gaunt star
The armor is probably a hell of a grind
pulsar yacht
might be a limited job but then again mobs in gauntlet were of different job types and we'll never get them
slender sluice
y'all hyped this content up
gaunt star
Since it makes the content easier
pulsar yacht
I stopped at level 5 for sleep so not sure the armor unlock unless it's something asinine like get all lost actions unlocked
gaunt star
It probably is lol
That’s how it was for eureka
I guess no one is high enough rank yet to see the whole map
unreal wadi
you need something called a bozjan coin
gaunt star
Wonder how long that’ll take
graceful heron
I would die
unreal wadi
to get the gear btw
gaunt star
They have teased 3 jobs so far in 5.3 and I’m not saying they’re guaranteed but I wonder if next expansion is 3 jobs like how we got 3 in HW
unreal wadi
no
devout musk
where do you get the coins
pulsar yacht
the unlock quest for the top part is kinda ass and involves sneaking behind rank 5 mobs
gaunt star
We may know once Garlond Tools gets updated
unreal wadi
new dragonsung is ilvl 500 btw
pulsar yacht
yeah 18 max quality crafts at least for the first step
(brain fart: 5 goop per max quality turn in)
pulsar yacht
probably for the instance area/citadel
grave leaf
did fate, spawned a critical engagement, registered, didnt get to play lol
gaunt star
here is my wild prediction
pulsar yacht
I mined the inside of it for shits and giggles
grave leaf
amazing first impression