Ehhh
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
teal geyser
unique verge
Which arent the the same
soft maple
Huehuehue
unique verge
If they were the same constellations then sure.
teal geyser
I was looking at the constellations and only the ewer one looks similar but even on closer examination one has a cluster at the end and one doesn't
soft maple
Doesn't defeat the fact that the 12 are DERIVED from the convocation
fluid basalt
azem and azeyma are supposedly related, so maybe the rest also have overlaps
teal geyser
Also the issue with it being the convocation is that there are 12 gods and 13/14 Convocation members
wary perch
There alot of constellation though
teal geyser
...okay you win
pastel coyote
do we know when the Twelve first appear ? Did they all appear at the same time ?
teal geyser
Maybe
soft maple
THANK YOU
teal geyser
Wait no
wary perch
Just because both have constellation doesn't mean they are the same group
teal geyser
That's weird though
unique verge
I mean you're still probably dead wrong but hey.
pastel coyote
Can we link Ramuh/Ralghr to the convocation ?
shut burrow
There's 14
Altima which I personally think was the head idk = Virgo I guess
Fandaniel
Emet-Selch
Igeyohrm
Pashtarot
Lahabrea
Emmeroloth
Halmarut
Mitron
Loghrif
Deudalaphon
Elidibus
and Azem
teal geyser
Virgo is just the zodiac
shut burrow
Altima = Virgo etc
onyx sundial
visual novel sidequests when
shut burrow
Ultima is the scion 👁🗨
unique verge
I mean...
fluid basalt
g'raha is a scion
signal solar
not that kind of scion
onyx sundial
i meant romantic sidequests with npcs when
pastel coyote
i work on it Refia, give me 20 or 30 more year and it's up
onyx sundial
okay
signal solar
@onyx sundial never, the dev team stated this before
fluid basalt
time to be the true sun for y'shtola
teal geyser
Shush
teal geyser
You aren't allowed to talk @signal solar
@fluid basalt Fuck off, let her and Runar get together
signal solar
aww how cute
heady shadow
xD
pastel coyote
shut burrow
Y'shtola and Runar is a cute couple 😭
signal solar
runar is a simp
wary perch
Let's NTR runar
heady shadow
you guys re in interesting convos in the 4:30 morning
wary perch
Personally I find him annoying
teal geyser
12:30 in the afternoon Scree
shut burrow
Where I live it's litterally the morning
wary perch
7.30pm Sunday night
heady shadow
I know w3ht thst looks like nd I'll sy
signal solar
i dont speak toffee biscuit
heady shadow
it's drk here
shut burrow
Anyways
shut burrow
Azem = Azeyma
heady shadow
cold.....
pastel coyote
yeah let's just go back to the steppe, tilt our head and say "it's supposed to be me ?"
teal geyser
Yeah and that just confuses me. I'm willing to believe it's just a one off @shut burrow (please give me a nickname so I can stop pinging your awful name)
shut burrow
Okay 😭
teal geyser
Even I don't know how to do boxes
signal solar
\
shut burrow
I-
pastel coyote
stop: Emet was not Nhaama
teal geyser
Venus is just boxes for me
pastel coyote
teal geyser
Emet is a woman confirmed
pastel coyote
stop
unique verge
So what you're saying
pastel coyote
i know what's you are going to say, stop it
unique verge
is that all women are sassy
teal geyser
Is this the time to ask Emet to step on me?
fluid basalt
Nheemet
soft maple
Jk pls don't ban me
static niche
lol
teal geyser
Neetmet?
unique verge
oh god
signal solar
yeetmet
pastel coyote
boi.....
static niche
azem the traveller
static niche
no saki
soft maple
The walkerr
teal geyser
Ehhh
static niche
cuz they does it for other ascian gylphs too
teal geyser
I see what they are looking at but I'm not entirely convinced
unique verge
This is why i said what i did when the guy posted it above
I didnt post the link myself for that very rason
static niche
and yeah same
unique verge
*reason
static niche
it's plausible
pastel coyote
the right screen is..... i mean for me you see it if you want to see it
static niche
but not concrete enough
teal geyser
It's plausible
unique verge
They're trying WAY too hard to line that up
pastel coyote
like when i see a donut in the cloud
unique verge
I dont see it at all
open verge
What is it tryna say
pastel coyote
yeah they are crazy, more than us when we were trying to figure the 2nd boss of Gauntlet
static niche
¯_(ツ)_/¯
open verge
Oh
pastel coyote
open verge
That’s dumb 
open verge
I think it’s more of a dev thing then tataru
static niche
since she made this before SHB even happened
unique verge
Tataru confirmed Zodiark.
soft maple
Azem the Roamer
static niche
signal solar
Azim the Steppe
open verge
I personally think it would be lame if she knew something like that
soft maple
Azem the stepper
signal solar
Azeyma the Warden
soft maple
I wonder who originally "invented" the twelve
teal geyser
I personally think it would be lame if she knew something like that
@open verge see that was the comment that made me smack my head on the desk
She didn't design the outfit
The game designers did
unique verge
Yeah my objection isnt with the Tataru part
timber spire
Can someone spoil me on the seat of sacrifice? Why are we fighting him
open verge
Ye seems more like a dev thing like I said
timber spire
I can't sub to the game this month and I really want to know what happened
static niche
@timber spire because we bad he good
open verge
Because he’s bad
signal solar
@timber spire did you skip cutscenes
teal geyser
@timber spire he wants to save his friends and uphold a promise
static niche
@signal solar he haven't subbed wtf lol
timber spire
I can't sub this month but I want to know what the heck is going on
unique verge
@timber spire .....because Elidibus is a psychopatic fragment of Zodiark and not a real person, but a primal?
signal solar
h
timber spire
yeah I stopped before 5.3
timber spire
wtf
static niche
long story short. Elidibus is the heart of Zodiark. you recall how Venat became the heart of Hydaelyn and how same fate befell during zodiark summoning.
teal geyser
He is a primal and a person smh
timber spire
Yeah
static niche
in 5.2
timber spire
@static niche thanks
soft maple
Fun fact
static niche
because of that Elidibus isn't really elidibus
open verge
He’s a primal with a status
timber spire
I'll be able to play in October
unique verge
Elidibus was a person.
timber spire
Can't wait to see the whole lead up
static niche
but elidibus and whole other voices overlapping
soft maple
The warrior of light is the best at killing PRIMALS
And shb ends
With a primal
I like that
timber spire
lol
static niche
essentially destroying what made him Elidibus
timber spire
I saw the fight it was freaking cool
teal geyser
It'd still count Elidibus as a person in all intents and purposes
timber spire
Thanks for spoiling it for me, that one thing really made me want to know wtf lead up to the fight
open verge
We are gonna go from fighting the warrior of light to another magitek boss in 5.4 
unique verge
I mean, its got....some of Elidibus' memories? not all? Maybe some marginally resembling Aether, but most of the original is gone. No soul.
timber spire
Now to look forward to october
static niche
so anyway Elidibus is trying to recover all of his dead friends but he's unaware of the whole reason why he's doing it
teal geyser
Did you just assume he has no soul?
unique verge
Why would he have one
teal geyser
Because he was a person when he became the heart
timber spire
I thought primals have no souls
open verge
How could he exist without it
teal geyser
Does Shiva have a soul because Ysyale is in it?
static niche
pastel coyote
what's a soul if not aether ?
static niche
emet best girl
pastel coyote
wary pond
btw i just found out that QTE is shared
if you were the only one pressing fast it will be super hard to do it
unique verge
I disagree with the comparison between Shiva and Zodiark
wary pond
either all fail
teal geyser
We don't really know the full details of what being the heart entails
wary pond
or all win
teal geyser
The point is the potential
static niche
we might find out with venat
thin crypt
how can we have a soul if we are not even considered alive
static niche
but who know
thin crypt
teal geyser
If there is an example of a person and a primal coming together and there still being a soul because ya know, the person is still alive then we can't outright deny that Elidibus doesn't have a soul
soft maple
Was the firmest believer
unique verge
Yeah but, on the flipside of that
soft maple
Makes sense he'd be the heart if it meant Zodiark shared his sentiment
teal geyser
Because we don't know what the difference is
unique verge
You would never have called Ysayle herself a primal
Yet Elidibus was clearly recognized to be one
teal geyser
I'd call her Shiva form a primal yes
unique verge
I think that its not an apt comparison
teal geyser
100%
unique verge
Shiva yes
static niche
the real question i have is
unique verge
Ysale no
pastel coyote
eureka is.... huh.....
static niche
how did elidibus not get succed up by CT with the WoL form
sterile galleon
Inb4 the real Elidibus emerges from Zodiark's corpse
pastel coyote
complicated ?
unique verge
I'm saying that Yshtola called Elidibus. Not the WoL thing he became to fight us. A primal.
teal geyser
But what we were seeing was that form as the heart @unique verge
static niche
like Elidibus just sorta deattached and laid there mourning.
teal geyser
And so is Shiva by this logic Ysayle in that Shiva form as no soul?
static niche
before dying and getting eaten by CT
open verge
If elidibus is a primal then when he transforms to the warrior of light is he like a double primal
static niche
open verge
soft maple
Well
static niche
when he transform, he was doing it to obtain the prayers aimed toward WoL in First
soft maple
Primals can change form (kinda) after getting much more aether
static niche
since we weren't technically WoL on First
cuz we're recognized more as WoD than WoL
soft maple
Only real evidence is primals getting bigger BUT
unique verge
What im getting at is that Ysayle could go back and forth between "Primal / Not Primal". In a sense, Zenos also could (given how he dominated Shinryu and then emerged afterwards).
unique verge
But it seems that Elidibus is just 100% primal
open verge
We aren’t
teal geyser
We don't really know anything about Elidibus and the heart business
You can't say he could or couldn't
static niche
@open verge shh, believe
teal geyser
And by this logic I'm happy to argue you couldn't say if he does or doesn't have a soul
subtle pasture
Thordan extreme was amazing
open verge
It’s known for being quite difficult so i think a unreal would be perfect
soft maple
Because he robbed us of lore blablabrea would have given us on accident
subtle pasture
V good trial back then
signal solar
Thordan EX was so difficult, Mr Happy couldnt get a clear for his guide video
static niche
open verge
Sheesh
subtle pasture
That fight made me go mch main for the rest of HW tbh
static niche
so yeah
open verge
No one cares
static niche
thordan ultimate
subtle pasture
Bc I got my heavensfire first clear
open verge
If you hate him 
static niche
with nidhogg as the trash
subtle pasture
static niche
😄
signal solar
mmm
open verge
Tower of god first 
subtle pasture
Check back in 7.5
signal solar
that would be a 30 minute fight
teal geyser
Good
static niche
no.
open verge
Triple triad ultimate would be sick
static niche
cuz it deserve an hour long fight
teal geyser
Yooo
static niche
just so we can admire emet
teal geyser
Triple Triad ultimate
static niche
all in his glory
open verge
With god kefka being the final boss because fanservice
Oh
I said triple
And not warring
teal geyser
open verge
I forgot
subtle pasture
God Kefka was a really fun savage
open verge
Lmfao
static niche
too bad they didn't do O12S justice in transition
subtle pasture
Would love to see it with the tower of the gods mechanics swapped for triad stuff
Infinity Seal Future Forward/Past Forgotten
static niche
o4s had a fairly long transition, while o8s had a pretty neat camera transition
then... there's o12s
one ball boi
into omega weapon
unique verge
I mean
subtle pasture
O8S was 80% music transition tyvm
unique verge
o4s transition is pretty unbeatable
subtle pasture
Dancing Mad fourth movement 👌
signal solar
life has many doors ed boy
static niche
the void was mine to command!
unique verge
First time you saw Neo Exdeath punch through the void
teal geyser
The lighting in that transition is <3
unique verge
Its decidedly "okay"
teal geyser
It is the best ShB one though
static niche
too bad i don't bother with music otherwise i'd offer my opinion
teal geyser
Actually I take that back
open verge
It got stuck in my head so it’s good enough
static niche
you right, hades music better
teal geyser
Seat of Sacrifice isn't even the best ShB boss theme
open verge
Innoncene is
teal geyser
@static niche it's not
teal geyser
It's Return to Oblivion
subtle pasture
It’s Amaurot buttrock, it can’t go wrong
open verge
Innocence is godlike
soft maple
What do you think is the be-oh I see
open verge
Wrong @teal geyser
teal geyser
The issue with Hades and Inno and whatnot is that it's just a remix of Shadowbringers for the 100th time
It's boring
soft maple
Best music just means favorite music so like
subtle pasture
Also it’s obviously What Angel Wakes Me
soft maple
There's no point in telling someone they're wrong lmao
open verge
Ramuh is better than Shiva theme wth
subtle pasture
Twice Stricken is the best Eden remix of a primal’s main theme,
teal geyser
E5?
subtle pasture
But only because Return to Oblivion isn’t Oblivion
soft maple
Personally
If we're going to say absolute favorites
Primals Blinding Indigo
Fucking heat right there
open verge
E5 is the best one yes
subtle pasture
That weird little echo on the offbeat just
open verge
It sounds like tekken music
subtle pasture
Gives me chills each time
wary pond
wol music is booooooooring
and to think i need to hear it for 59 more clears is ughhhh
soft maple
Puppet's bunker music is trash to me
subtle pasture
Primal Angel, however
soft maple
Except the second to last boss
subtle pasture
Just plain sucks
soft maple
I actually like primal angel
subtle pasture
But I was also never a big fan of Primal Judgment
And was disappointed to see Fallen Angel remixed with it...
Bc Garuda’s theme is so strong for its simplicity
robust sphinx
Besides || cirina's mother or grandmother or w/e ||, was there any other allusions to us being || azem? ||
teal geyser
Eh?
soft maple
The song should've started out 8 bit though
teal geyser
I don't remember her saying anything like that
soft maple
Then explode into house
wary pond
i think azim and azem are 2 totally different guys
subtle pasture
Isn’t that just a “my your soul is bright” moment
Aka coulda easily just been a “hey blessing of Light” read
robust sphinx
Normally I'd agree
open verge
Here comes people going all the way back trying to find connections
silver willow
Urianger even says it's likely that Azim and Azeyma were likely based on Azem because of the "traveller" connection
robust sphinx
except she has additional dialogue from this expansion per se
teal geyser
@robust sphinx FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
subtle pasture
No, he just says there’s a peculiar similarity in the names, and he will research it further
Nothing more,
open verge
I didn’t even know azim and azeyma where people lmao
soft maple
WHERE DOES URIANGER SAY THIS??
teal geyser
Speak to him in the Waking Sands
open verge
When did he say that I missed it
teal geyser
In the bed area
subtle pasture
In the Dawn’s Respite, which is accessible after the msq
open verge
Hmmm
teal geyser
Post MSQ
subtle pasture
—yeah
robust sphinx
lemme pull a screenshot of what she says in this expansion
subtle pasture
Cal I have an idea
open verge
That’s cool
teal geyser
She like, says something at the very least something very similar to the end of 5.0 if not the same
wary pond
anyone talked to unkluhai or whatever she is called
subtle pasture
That place was fucking dark til the end of 5.3
wary pond
after 5.3
open verge
What’s dawn respite
teal geyser
Yes
subtle pasture
The infirmary or medbay of sorts in the Rising Stones
teal geyser
He basically just says "I feel bad for him but he kinda had to die. He saved my life" or something
open verge
Oh
robust sphinx
yea. he mentions something in 5.0, and post 5.3
open verge
I have bad memory
subtle pasture
It’s where the Scions’ bodies were kept and tended to during their, uh
open verge
I need to redo warring triad
subtle pasture
Vacation
teal geyser
They posted a video but thanks
subtle pasture
I like how it is accessible after 5.3
robust sphinx
subtle pasture
—but why isn’t the tower’s apex on the First accessible >:I
robust sphinx
But uh... is there anything else like this pre-5.0 in the game? or at least pre-5.3
open verge
Guess she notices something different about us
subtle pasture
Again I think it’s more general echo/blessing of Light talk than directly Azem foreshadowing
open verge
^
subtle pasture
...no more than the echo itself was inherently that foreshadowing
teal geyser
@robust sphinx pretty sure that's the dialogue it's been since 5.0
subtle pasture
If you really think about it
robust sphinx
probably
cirina does have dialogue too alluding to the events of 5.0, but nothing more I guess
subtle pasture
Now the question is,
soft maple
Suprised they didn't have the warrior of light actively take the name of "Azem" as a reminder of the ascians
robust sphinx
the fact she calls us a traveler though makes me think otherwise
subtle pasture
Who the heck are the Mol gods 
robust sphinx
no shit, but there's more to what she's saying than just "oh you travel"
otherwise she'd be a rambling old woman without her antipsychotics
subtle pasture
I doubt Azem will suddenly become interchangeable w/ us in the story
Or I hope not,
My fear of learning our Unsundered identity would like,
Take away from our character, the shard
Maybe with entities like Fandaniel, but that’s a given
soft maple
I mean
That's why I feel it's fitting for the WoL to be called Azem
It's a title, not a name
teal geyser
Who the heck are the Mol gods :hmm:
@subtle pasture the lore team
Take away from our character, the shard
@subtle pasture that's half of my issue with the whole ancient stuff
Oh that's a double ping
RIP
subtle pasture
I’m throwing hands if it comes to 5.4 and WoL can lore drop all this stuff from Azem’s recollected memories
robust sphinx
but i want to date magnai
carmine basin
the lore team
Does that mean when Koji sings, it's the voice of gods /s
robust sphinx
doesnt he already sing though in the primals?
shut burrow
I want to be Azem
teal geyser
Yes Aya
subtle pasture
Zodiark is the moon, we’re the sun, Hydaelyn is the planet
teal geyser
Wait
subtle pasture
Are there any other celestial body analogues I should know about
teal geyser
Doee that mean the Allagans tried to succ us with Bahamut?
robust sphinx
the planet is actually a cake
teal geyser
Ascians being the zodiac constellations
robust sphinx
divided into 14 pieces, 8 or 9 having been eaten already
1 put in the oven too long and burnt to a crisp
subtle pasture
I like how they sorta,
teal geyser
Nah
teal geyser
7 eaten, when fell on the floor, and one was licked
subtle pasture
But I did just have the idea that maybe Hydaelyn originally manifested in the moon
And the sunder-kick also made ‘em
...swap?
subtle pasture
But I’m also unclear if the Ancients even had a moon and if it would even exist if not for Zodi’s prison?
teal geyser
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
subtle pasture
For/as His prison
teal geyser
Imagine having no tides
soft maple
Okay, Yeah the warrior of light is Azem
languid breach
Sharing here just to be safe. Can anyone make out the title of the book Alphinaud is reading?
subtle pasture
Oh jeez, maybe the last word at best
unique verge
I think thats a generic book model that gets used elsewhere isnt it?
subtle pasture
Someone could probably rip the book texture and try
pastel coyote
"how to raise your carbuncle"
subtle pasture
—isn’t it the tome from /read?
languid breach
imagine bread getting better rexture than a goddamn book in a voiced cutscene in a major character's hand that could totally be readable if they bothered
subtle pasture
I hear you, but also,
My brain hyperfixated on the piece of crystal peeking out under the arch of the bridge to the right of his head
half tendon
it's SUPER BREAD
subtle pasture
And I can’t stop noticing anymore
languid breach
yeah it looks cool
subtle pasture
“Oh it’s absolutely bland and needs a few cups of tea to scarf down one slice...”
“It’s perfect! Reminds me of home.”
Things I expected of 5.3:
- not Sharlayan food lore
subtle pasture
But also thank the Twelve the Sharlayan super food wasn’t another meol
subtle pasture
...yet
teal geyser
We'll go there and the Forum are vampires
unique verge
i mean i feel like you get one Soylent Green reference
two and you're just being obnoxious
subtle pasture
Technically meol wasn’t people
teal geyser
unique verge
I mean, it was
teal geyser
This game is obnoxious
nova tundra
"how to become an inkmage in 3 easy steps for dummies with sisters"
unique verge
....breat is converted flour
subtle pasture
Become a Sin Eater, then become food
unique verge
*bread
teal geyser
Okay for real
If Alphinaud becomes a painting job like Krile in V I'll be okay with that
subtle pasture
Honestly if you could make meol from less... humanoid or spoken-based eaters
teal geyser
Except slowly corrupting yourself
unique verge
Minus the whole...you know...zombification to a lardball god aspect
subtle pasture
Forgiven bribery would be salty as hell
Okay, but, as the First is restored, people’s bodies would again be able to naturally purge such maladies
teal geyser
If they stop eating the bread
subtle pasture
..and eaters would prob be extinct by then so nvm, fair point
Meol more reminded me of uh,
Anyone remember Strange Days at Blake Holsey High
One episode had a nutritional bar that was actually 0 calories, 0 protein, absolutely nothing
But it tasted fantastic despite actually starving them
So, meol
coarse pond
wary pond
gl beating 2nd/3rd hardest EX in ffxiv @unreal wadi
unreal wadi
wary pond
static niche
it's hard 🤔
wary pond
katana of light i guess
gaunt star
Thanks I was looking it on lodestone but it’s not updated yet
unreal wadi
i actually thought it was katana of light lol
wary pond
so it wont be put now
unreal wadi
but no, its blade of light
gaunt star
Gonna check it once I log in
soft maple
What's the hardest?
unreal wadi
...shinryu on content?
forest magnet
Shinryu on release was hell.
unreal wadi
Thordan on content?
forest magnet
pugs were so bad for that fight
unique verge
Shinryu when it released was fucking brutal
soft maple
I can see that
forest magnet
its difficulty was between savage floor 1 and floor 2
I heard WoL ex isn't 'hard' but if u mess up its punishing
unique verge
Errors tend to kill more than just you
and, well, quintcast is pretty much down to "can you memorize a 5 step sequence quickly"
unreal wadi
unique verge
Alot the fight is about memory, tbh
unique verge
because he'll frontload (ice/fire/light) into his weapon, then do one of his summon mechanics, and then resolve that element after the mechanic is done like 20+ second slater
rare sinew
How would an all healer run of puppet work? Does each tank buster mean one death?
forest magnet
isn't that what he does in normal mode
unique verge
Yeah but in normal mode he resolves it like
unreal wadi
yes
unique verge
3 seconds later
unreal wadi
@rare sinew
forest magnet
no he does the same in phase 2
signal solar
if you have enough shield you should be fine
rare sinew
@unreal wadi wonder if it was doable via shielding
unique verge
Real easy to forget what element he used while you're in the middle of doing the SMN/WAR or BLM/WHM mechs
rare sinew
@signal solar but shields dont stack right?
forest magnet
I suppose it is
unreal wadi
theres also a dps chexk @rare sinew
signal solar
benison/adlo should afaik
unreal wadi
in the first boss
rare sinew
Im guessing you can get.. 3 shields, max?
unreal wadi
but thats easy
stable island
I already thought the Crytsal Tower was opened again in 5.3 and i was 100% right on that one. Not the way that i expected btw.
Do you guys think Zenos is Zodiarks current vessel too?
signal solar
no
unique verge
.....not at all
unreal wadi
nope
unique verge
That would be....absurd
rare sinew
Nah
signal solar
zenos has manufactured echo
unreal wadi
thats galaxy brain
signal solar
so he can have dreams of amaurot ending
unreal wadi
and yeah what green said
unique verge
Zenos literally wants to go find Zodiark so he can ride him like Shinryu to fight us.
rare sinew
I cannot remember
unreal wadi
he said he had those dreams since he was a kid?
gaunt star
Yes
unreal wadi
@signal solar
gaunt star
Dreams he had since a kid
unique verge
Yes
signal solar
hmm
gaunt star
He says this
rare sinew
He made mention of seeing the dream in uhh... 5.2??
signal solar
hm
gaunt star
But his echo powers are new
unique verge
Zenos definitely claims to have always had the dream
unreal wadi
yeah ever since 5.2 ending
signal solar
i cant refute that
stable island
We all know the series right?
There are crazier things in FF.
Zenos mentions it in 5.3 ending too.
But one thing we can do expect, we invade Garlemald in 6.0 and finish off Zenos once and for all. Wait.....
Does that mean Fordola and Lyse also return? Fordola also has it and she redeemed herself.
soft maple
What did they do to Zenos as a kid btw?
unique verge
Its never fully explained
unreal wadi
Fordola returns in lvl 80 smn quest @stable island
signal solar
fordola was mentioned in smn 80 quest
unique verge
other than he was basically a labrat for his entire existence
unreal wadi
She kills primals
unique verge
Fordola has been busy. Just not on screen.
unreal wadi
with arenvald
unreal wadi
hired by raubaun
stable island
Maybe Fordola is used to find out a way to remove the Resonant powers from Zenos.
Athrun, i mean the MSQ, not a side quest.
unreal wadi
She has relevance tho
And does expand on what happens with her
So she's working in a taskforce of adventures who are immune to the primals' tempered will
to take them down
unreal wadi
Pretty much.
stable island
Maybe it is forshadowing the next big story?
unreal wadi
I mean, its like
unique verge
I doubt it
unique verge
At this stage, i would not even try to guess where the story will take us next.
unreal wadi
Terncliff is a cool place
pastel coyote
well i did find a place with the mark of Azeyma near the Burning Wall
and nothing happened
unreal wadi
There's a sense of sorrow in Terncliff
unique verge
becuase in some interview didnt Yoshi say that the next expansion would be "just as unexpected as ShB" (paraphrasing)
unreal wadi
but also serene, coming from a muffled piano
stable island
I think we can all agree that the invasion of Garlemald is the next big story.
There are still places apart from Ilsabard that are not discovered by the players.
signal solar
the MOON
unreal wadi
space adventurer when
gaunt star
LUNAR WHALE
unique verge
Garlemald is the "obvious" thing. So i dont think thats what it will be.
pastel coyote
obvious until the next patch
unreal wadi
the next patch may give us a hint...
forest magnet
well why would we invade garlemald
unreal wadi
major*
forest magnet
all the wars we fought against garlemald are liberation/defensive wars
unreal wadi
The Ghimylt Dark
forest magnet
ghimlyt was defensive
signal solar
Bozja
unreal wadi
true
forest magnet
bozja is liberation
unreal wadi
I have questions about Bozja
in thr trailer
there's a hrothgar
seemingly mind controlled
while holding Paladin sword & shield
resistance weapon
stable island
That is 7.x i think, i actually don't think Yoshida made a joke about that.
I think more about Thavnair, the far western continent, the southern content and such.
Normally, the x.1 patch already give out hints about the next big expansion.
(3.1 and 4.1 did it too)
But it is very obvious, Garlemald is next. It is possible we travel to the moon too in 6.0 (i doubt it, see above) alongside the invasion of garlemald.
unreal wadi
I know Bozjan Southern Front is liberation
forest magnet
4.1 gave like, zero hints wtf
unreal wadi
But I'm ever so curious as to how the story will progress in it
signal solar
4.1 gave no hints
unreal wadi
Like in Eureka
forest magnet
in fact we got no hints it was even the first until the end of 4.5
unreal wadi
exarch
signal solar
we got the tablecloth stolen from under us
unique verge
Literally everyone thought 5.0 was going to be Garlemald and were dead wrong
So i'll not accept anyone saying 6.0 is "obviously" Garlemald now
stable island
It actually did.
Remember the voice that echoes in 4.1?
That was a hint, but not a very obvious one.
unique verge
and when it showed up in 4.4 nobody had a fucking clue what it was
stable island
The Exarch tried to call upon you in 4.1 already with his voice. I am sure of that.
signal solar
4.1 was us dicking around with arenvald
stable island
I check the MSQ to be 100% sure
unique verge
Until i see proof otherwise i'm calling bullshit on this
forest magnet
and nobody else here is backing that up
unique verge
lol
pastel coyote
and i visited the sylph and the sanctum of the Twelve
signal solar
be back in like 30 minutes
pastel coyote
nothing happened either
signal solar
raubahn: talks
people of ala mhigo: claps
stable island
I know for sure the voice was from before 4.4, but i think you need to NG+ it to be sure if it was 4.1.
stable island
Anyway, this is Final Fantasy, never take things for granted yes.
unique verge
and i'm certainly not about to NG+ to disprove your theory
stable island
Let's agree to disagree then.
unreal wadi
Ok so
I went through the 4.1 cutscenes
Fordola and arenvald's talk
summoning sri lakshmi
ending was tsuyu & gosetsu
stable island
I wanted to do the return of the bull solo duty again anyway.
So i NG+ it.
stable island
The only way to know it for 100% is to NG+ it.
I check certain cutscenes again
unreal wadi
im going by cutscenes for me
No actual exarch stuff happens until 4.4
when Thancred first collapsed
So yes, the theory on people thinking that we would be going to Garlemald in 5.0 is probably true
Considering this was when Alphinaud decided to go to Garlemald
with Maxine
@forest magnet
stable island
True,
wait a second.......
Did Yoshi-P didn't said that ShB was actually foreshadowed in 3.4?
Soul Surrender?
What if they did the same with the 4.1-4.4 patches?
Yeah, i was wrong on that part btw.
unreal wadi
Thats true...
stable island
At the end of 5.3, it does was stated that the Eorzean Alliance want to see the scions themselves. What if they want to share the plan for freeing Ilsabard?
Not a strange thought.
It is known that expansions are planned 2 years ahead, so 3.4 was the start of 5.0 in developement.
So they are already working on 6.0 (it is already in post-production most likely) and start to work on 7.0 soon.
Sadly it is delayed too, hopefully they can move it a month forward to august or something. (If they decide to release patch 5.5x in one go, but i doubt that.) Nortmally we would have 5.5 already in december, but a irl virus thought otherwise sadly.
soft maple
Fuckin' black ro-I mean virus
signal solar
we also got yugiri in 2.1
soft maple
I am not the first nor the last to make that comment
signal solar
which is around the same time when SB would have been in the planning
4.4 was in 6.0's realm of planning
misty yoke
Well thats organised of the team
Considering how little is leaked minus data mining the team seem to have a tight knit relationship
stable island
True, Yugiri was a modified Miqo at that time. The Au'ra weren't even designed yet at that time afaik.
4.4-4.5 does foreshadow a war between the Eorzean alliance and Garlemald.
Anyway, there is one thing that bugged me a bit.
The 5.3 MSQ didn't answered all of the questions yet.
What we do know is that the "primal" we fight in the Seat of Sacrifice is the first WoL in existence. But why does Elidibus choose that one? Because we are the WoD in the first? He knows our mission and origin.
And what is the new Ascian up to?
unique verge
....because the first WoL was Azem. which is us. Elidibus is just to fucked in the head to remember it anymore because, well, thats what happens when you get sacrificed to create a primal.
Echo visions show this, Hythlodaeus conversation further implies it.
signal solar
fandaniel wants CHAOS CHAOS
unique verge
Fandaniel, as far as we can tell, has no particular agenda other than power
viscid monolith
I think it was a subconscious decision to choose that form
unique verge
Rejoinings are not on his menu.
stable island
It still doesn't confirm it.
That you are tasked to make friends among others doesn't mean you are the first WoL. We see in 6.x for sure i guess.
teal geyser
Fandaniel, as far as we can tell, has no particular agenda other than power
Other than fun tyvm
unique verge
Ah yes, fun.
viscid monolith
When we were looking into Elidibus' past in Amaurot we could see him reaching for an image that looked exactly like the first Warrior of Light
The image is in his head
unique verge
he finds power to be fun
viscid monolith
But he doesn't remember where it's from or why
stable island
Yeah, Elidibus has some serious brain damage. 😁
It is possible he was thinking Azem was the first WoL.
soft maple
I mean power can be fun
signal solar
we are
unique verge
Short of the game flat out putting in text "Azem was the first warrior of light", i dont know how much more obvious it could be at this point.
viscid monolith
@stable island His task wasn't to make friends. That was his choice. His only task was to travel and learn about the surrounding areas. Making friends and helping those friends with their problems was Azem's own choice. Even calling his friends for help was his own choice, as Hythlodeus says he could have just called the Convocation. Azem always embodied the spirit of the Warrior of Light, even pre sundering. That he would continue this path post sundering is guaranteed.
stable island
teal geyser
@stable island
neat edge
Elidibus was just jealous we reunited the realm, and THAT'S HIS JOB
unique verge
Elidibus couldnt even fucking remember why he was doing what he was doing in the end.
viscid monolith
And it was likely Azem's deeds that caused him to become deified down the line as Azeyma and Azim
soft maple
....that's probably why he admires the warrior of light
neat edge
He wants it OWN WAY. like throwing a childish fit
unique verge
He literally couldnt remember why his mission even existed.
viscid monolith
The fact that Azem exists as 2 gods now solidifies that he went on to do great deeds.
soft maple
The current one is hated because HIS mankind and OUR mankind differ
And the success of either permits the other's failure
AHA
CLEARLY
The origin of individual religions have one common factor
vagrant sinew
wait am I losing my mind
soft maple
Azem!
vagrant sinew
were there sandwiches in the crystarium inn room before?
misty yoke
Now thinking about. If we lost against the dude then canonically we would’ve died. So how would the game play out then since zenos is a thing and im sure he will try to kill elid if he got in the way of his plans which would obviously happen
soft maple
Maybe there's a great Azem bridge somewhere
misty yoke
But then who would win
tough fern
Fandaniel already reminds me of a wannabe Emet with the attitude and mannerisms
ashen pawn
A serpent, or serpent-related character, whose actual form turns out to be smaller. Am I talking about the Great Serpent or about Elidibus?
tough fern
viscid monolith
We only matter to Zenos because we're strong
I'm sure if someone killed us then his obsession would shift to that person.
tough fern
Pretty sure he would brutally murder them
ashen pawn
Yes that's what his obsession is about
viscid monolith
Well ya that's part of the obsession
ashen pawn
Brutally murdering
tough fern
As we saw with Varis after his attempt to kill us in Ghimlyt
ashen pawn
Wonder what Zenos did in the Black Rose timeline
floral schooner
I really really hope we get a "not right now, Zenos. I'm busy" option when we meet again
ashen pawn
Would Black Rose actually kill him?
unique verge
Probably died
ashen pawn
It kinda freezes the aether right?
tough fern
He's made it pretty clear that no one is allowed to kill us but him
neat edge
Probably died of boredom
unique verge
In the Black Rose timeline, he'd still have been riding around in not his own body
ashen pawn
So it would be efficient against an Ascian too?
misty yoke
He might not have died easily but its slim he would survive
tough fern
unique verge
and it probably would have killed him and left him unable to body hop
ashen pawn
Black Rose timeline probably had a wildly different version of WoL VS Zenos tbh
misty yoke
Tbf elid would just dip with zenos’s body
floral schooner
I think zenos would let himself die in that timeline
misty yoke
would he though
misty yoke
And by then elidizenos may have left too
soft maple
Or just wait for another champion
misty yoke
So i suppose so
floral schooner
Nothing left to live for, also I'm pretty sure that timeline was just a spiral of death. It was swallowing everyone
soft maple
No, in that timeline, I'm sure the ascians succeeded in that timeline
misty yoke
Ah right rejoining
ashen pawn
Had they succeeded, they'd have sacrificed humanity to bring back the Ancients though
soft maple
Woah, I just repeated myself
ashen pawn
Since apparently the next rejoining is enough to win
soft maple
Indeed
viscid monolith
It isn't
ashen pawn
Except humanity didn't get sacrificed, or else no one would have been able to send G'raha back
soft maple
Exactly
ashen pawn
So for some reason, the 8th Rejoining wasn't enough to bring Zodiark abck
floral schooner
They still needed the other shards and a way to fix the 13th.
ashen pawn
back
soft maple
They need the full noodle
ashen pawn
Yeah but Ascians were all "the next will be enough mwahaha"
turns out they were wrong
viscid monolith
A light rejoining is supposedly able to rejoin the 13th
The Ascians never said that
floral schooner
I think hydalen would be effectively dead and they'd be very little competition
ashen pawn
Oh yes maybe it's that
floral schooner
But the sundering would still be a thing
viscid monolith
The slides at fan fest said this is the final rejoining but that's only because it's the last one they'll ever get in the story
ashen pawn
But for real, Alt!Timeline Emet & Elidibus must have shat themselves when they realized what happened
tough fern
Pretty sure the ascians got what they wanted in that TL. Black Rose incident in that future was a result of the first being rejoined because we died and Graha was never able to bring us over there
misty yoke
So amaurot would be back?
soft maple
No
floral schooner
In wondering though; if the calamities have destroyed the remenents of amaroutnon the sourcs
floral schooner
Whats the post end plan
soft maple
Their plan is being back everyone who sacrificed themselves to Zodiark
misty yoke
Ah right stagnant aether being unable to go into lifestream
floral schooner
Like, yeah people will be 14/14 but everything is destroyed
soft maple
Which is literally ONLY Amaurot
viscid monolith
They can just snap things into existence
ashen pawn
count?
tough fern
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we eventually find out that the ascians plans would not have actually worked in the end
teal geyser
Buildings can be rebuilt, people can't
ashen pawn
Would Zodiark just bring a Primal Amaurot?
Like every Ancient brought back is a Primal
like Elidibus
viscid monolith
No the Ancients can do that themselves
floral schooner
Also whose to say the final days won't happen again
soft maple
Probably why the 14th member just dipped because Azem thought it was a selfish idea probably
EHHHHH
pale sand
The Final Days can't happen again, at least not in the same way
ashen pawn
Azem probably decided to find whatever caused the final days
soft maple
Zodiark has the ability to rewrite the laws of the star
tough fern
It's implied by Graha that some semblance of that is soon to happen @floral schooner
The apocalypse and the final tale of the star
viscid monolith
Venat implies thatvit was only delayed
soft maple
But to bring back the people sacrificed to him? Probably requires him to die
Because
When you kill the primal
The aether returns back to the land
pale sand
The goal of the unsundered is to put the star back to the way it was before the Final Days. That means rejoining Zodiark and Hydaelyn into one entity and, assumedly, getting the souls used to summon Zodiark back into the bodies they came from
soft maple
No no no no
viscid monolith
They weren't one entity btw
floral schooner
I was meaning more if thr ascians got their wish and rejoined everything
But yeah we're definitely going to face what that noise was
soft maple
Rejoining the planet so Zodiark can break free and undo what Hydaelyn did
pale sand
True, hydaelyn came in response to Zodiark's summoning. I misspoke
floral schooner
Wait i just remembered the scream at the end of 2.0. its been a long time but was it stated in stone that was bahamut?
ashen pawn
The noise is just Papaya (Metal Version) played on repeat
pale sand
I believe that was stated to have been Bahamut
neat edge
That whimsical music that plays that drives skippers nuts so
pale sand
That said, Bahamut was also MSQ, just amusingly given the wrong quest icons lol
wary perch
Nah it's side quest
soft maple
I mean
pale sand
It's a side quest that has real world implications.
ashen pawn
MSQ with a fake moustache
soft maple
It gets done either way
floral schooner
I'll need to do 2.x again now that it isn't god awfully long
wary perch
Msq not even reference it until alisea in 3.4
soft maple
By you or someone else
tough fern
Whatever happens it definitely sounds like the source as we know it is going to end in 6.0
Might see XIV attempt it's own Cataclysm
soft maple
There will be an expac after 6.0
pale sand
Bahamut's story is why nothing happens to main characters in side content anymore
wary perch
Coil only get done by wol
soft maple
..... because I SMELL SPACE TRAVEL
OH YEAH
CRANK OUT THAT SPACESHIP CID
WE'RE FLYING PAST THE MOON
misty yoke
Kinda wish coil was feasible for roulette tbh at least then it doesnt feel as weird when its bought up
pale sand
Bahamut is just the true ending of 1.0
soft maple
THE ONE DOESN'T HAVE A PRIMAL INSIDE IT ANYMORE CUZ WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, LET'S GOOO
wary perch
Not really the coil is happened in arr time bubble
wary perch
You can do it while the Scion is in the first
static niche
@floral schooner yes that was bahamut. this takes place right afterward
misty yoke
I mean true you can even solo it at 70
floral schooner
Ah right! thanks
pale sand
I'm still amused (and pleased) that CT is mandatory now lol
floral schooner
Its kinda nice that side content is relevant
pale sand
Warring Triad Ultimate is the next ult
static niche
watch bahamut be somehow mandatory next expansion