retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[gaunt star]

baka oniii chan come back here

[teal geyser]

[gaunt star]

also i wanted to ask Cali something and i forgot shit

dont yikes me cali

ill punch u

[carmine basin]

I interpreted that as him wanting to be like the WoL that was alive at that time and took his form

[subtle pasture]

https://youtu.be/P92nqDEVnYs?t=1458

[carmine basin]

Need to rewatch that scene

Tyty

[gaunt star]

https://imgur.com/K206hgy

man now i see ppl wearing the WoL armor

and the characters wearing it are ugly

or highlanders

[forest magnet]

I'm jealous

[gaunt star]

which is basically the same

[forest magnet]

that armor is very rare to get

[subtle pasture]

"Ahhh, it swells within me. Empowers me. Now- now I can carry out my mission."

[gaunt star]

the helmet is only for $$$ too

[forest magnet]

took my friend like 20 runs of CT to get it

wait i thought the helment was from CT?

[gaunt star]

nah

[subtle pasture]

the transition there is what I can't not read as he possessed the guy

[gaunt star]

its from ARR collectors

[forest magnet]

huh? I thought the tank set was teh WoL set

[gaunt star]

or something

it is

the helmet isnt included in CT

[forest magnet]

lame

[subtle pasture]

Like my idea of that flashback is, "Your salvation isn't needed any more, Eli."

[teal geyser]

@subtle pasture it's not timestamping for me. What is that in minutes?

[subtle pasture]

"So I will become the new salvation."

[forest magnet]

The implication by the cutscene was "All of your friends are dead. You have no fight left to fight."

[subtle pasture]

24:18

[forest magnet]

Which is a terrible point to make.

imo

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, "let go, Elidibus."

"NUH."

[carmine basin]

Huh, his Japanese VA does use different tone with Elidibus in flashback

[shut burrow]

I really do think the first star is Altima's star since it's crimson i.e crimson the bloody angel i.e Ultima = Altima

[forest magnet]

I mean my take was "I killed all your friends you lose Elidibus."

[subtle pasture]

someone make this meme but it's Eli in that scene

[gaunt star]

@forest magnet

[subtle pasture]

"No, I must carry out my duty." Skinner in WoL helm

[gaunt star]

helmet of light

also the helmet is an exp bonus time tho useless

' Increases EXP earned by 20% when level 10 and below. '

item*

[teal geyser]

"you are so cool and just and you are hope incarnate, *reaches out since that is
A) what he wants to be
B) kinda what he needs

Do you think that was post sundering or pre just wondering?

[hardy rivet]

definitely him reaching for the wol's body to possess

[teal geyser]

It's...definitely not

[gaunt star]

does it really matter how he did it, i doubt we are seeing something similar again

[teal geyser]

I see how you see it that way

But no

[hardy rivet]

I cant see how you see it another way

[teal geyser]

I just said

[subtle pasture]

Oh, for one thing, I don't think the Convocation speakers and him chasing down that WoL are the same moment,

his memories are super fragmented, which

makes a lot of sense for this primal of a primal of sorts

[teal geyser]

I um

I don't think he was chasing him down

[gaunt star]

come back vs chasing

[subtle pasture]

"I am fading, I need a new salvation to anchor myself."

"Oh hello Mr. Hope"

[teal geyser]

More like just remembering him and wanting him back in that memory

[subtle pasture]

"this body is mine now."

[teal geyser]

So...you think it's post sundering

[carmine basin]

Let me post the relevant screen x_x

[subtle pasture]

Sort of, since it's so fragmented it's really hard to piece together,

[teal geyser]

Oh yeah I guess it would

[subtle pasture]

The most concrete thing is Eli's own dialogue in it, yeah

[teal geyser]

But I really don't get this though

[carmine basin]

I personally think he just took his figure, not actually possessing him

[gaunt star]

same

[carmine basin]

The first WoL became his idea of what Hope is

[gaunt star]

so he became that idea

[carmine basin]

Like if you think of superhero, some may think of superman

[subtle pasture]

The way the scene cuts abruptly, the WoL partially turning, is why I think he just

hopped aboard

[carmine basin]

So he became what superman looks like

That kind of thing

But the dialogue after can be possessing too

Since it got cut and it showed him reacting to his new form

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, the way I read that flashback was, Elidibus was fading post-Sundering, and those images of the Convocation speakers were telling him it's okay to let go

but, he's a primal, he must follow what he was evoked for

and it's finishing his duty

So, then he piggy backs on the hope directed on WoLs to sustain himself

In a way he then literally became the battle of Light and Dark incarnate, as its conflict was his lifeblood

so uh, here we are now

That's prob the danger of Fandaniel going forward, no Eli to keep it in balance,

gonna be the 13th all over again

[carmine basin]

What did g'raha said at the end again

Final chapter of our star?

[shut burrow]

Does that mean

The final expansion

😭

[subtle pasture]

It means 6.0 is gonna be fuckin' climactic,

but nah, not the end.

[carmine basin]

No they have more story planned

I interpret the star as Hydaelyn

[subtle pasture]

--which reminds me, y'all notice the weather in The Seat of Sacrifice

[shut burrow]

Oh

[subtle pasture]

it's literally

"Climactic."

[carmine basin]

Like, Hydaelyn might disappear at the end of 6.0

[swift kraken]

the weather should be pain

[carmine basin]

Oops

[swift kraken]

because pain

i mean - she should

zodiark should poof too

i dont want either of them

[subtle pasture]

Yeah there's a solid shot the Mothercrystal is gonna go bye-bye in 6.0

[swift kraken]

azem gang

[carmine basin]

Hydaelyn is the name of the planet

Planet = star in XIV universe

Final chapter of our Hydaelyn

[tranquil flower]

It's not going to be the final expansion oh my god

[carmine basin]

[subtle pasture]

Mothercrystal, that should be a decent distinction between the planet and the primal,

[unreal wadi]

Its the last chapter of Zodiark & Hydalyn you memers

Not the game

[swift kraken]

its the final expansion. the rest of the story will just be dlc

[tranquil flower]

yoshi p already talked they're in the works deciding if they're gonna do another big arc after this or stand-alone expacs

[unreal wadi]

How hard is it to tell people @shut burrow

[swift kraken]

im not sure what arc they would even have

[carmine basin]

I just want 5.4 so I can punch garleans with G'raha

[swift kraken]

im not gonna lie

this was pretty world-encompassing

[rare sinew]

I'd take an arc over individual expacs

looks at WoW

[swift kraken]

finding a way to reverse tempering and restoring the void would be nice i guess

maybe uh- threats from the world middy came from

[empty moss]

yoshi p already talked they're in the works deciding if they're gonna do another big arc after this or stand-alone expacs
@tranquil flower why not both

[swift kraken]

aliens

[carmine basin]

I wonder if we'll visit Ga Bu in 5.4

[rare sinew]

Didnt WoW end up with aliens or some shit

[tranquil flower]

both would be nice

[swift kraken]

if Ga Bu isnt used to show how to reverse tempering

idk what

will be

[rare sinew]

Im unfamiliar with WoW

[open verge]

I think we should get some standalone expac after 6.0

[swift kraken]

time to eat some b r e a d in sharlayan

[rare sinew]

I just heard there wad a space ship and thought, wow, goblins be whack

[open verge]

Maybe make the story less crazy

[empty moss]

de tempering should be a good way to go

[tranquil flower]

yeah we don't need everything to be a world-ending threat

[empty moss]

not for 6.0

[rare sinew]

I think detempering has to come at a high cost tho

Or u can literally fix so much arr stuff

[empty moss]

eather high cost

or takes a long time

[rare sinew]

E.g. beast tribe stuff

E.g. alisae's goblin bud

[swift kraken]

finding a way to reverse the calamities

[rare sinew]

Resplit everything

[carmine basin]

Dude when we figure out how to reverse tempering

[swift kraken]

back to 2/14th of a person i go

[empty moss]

wouldnt reverisne the calamats end up proving the unsundered were right

[carmine basin]

Someone is gonna react with "so all the people we killed... they could've survived?"

[swift kraken]

pain

[carmine basin]

Like the soldiers that helped us escape Ifrit

[empty moss]

all look at me

[swift kraken]

how would it prove the unsundered right

[empty moss]

uhh

Kupo

[swift kraken]

[carmine basin]

All of them got tempered and killed

[empty moss]

the alternative is genocide

[swift kraken]

i choose genocide

[empty moss]

and thus

[rare sinew]

Geno geno genociiideee

[empty moss]

we are Zenos

[swift kraken]

and i will take every single person who griefed me in df with me

[rare sinew]

I swear, the dwarves are the best tribe since Namazu

[empty moss]

no

Fairys

[carmine basin]

I'm just gonna be crafter of light

[rare sinew]

[carmine basin]

No more killing primals

I make millions in MB now

[rare sinew]

Fairies were aitteeee

[swift kraken]

fairies were cool

[rare sinew]

Dont need to be scared of monetarists if you buy all of em

[swift kraken]

since it tied in with titania

[rare sinew]

[empty moss]

if you dont agree ill turn you into a shrubbery

[swift kraken]

and also it had gfs

[rare sinew]

Tbh, i levelled my BLM to 77 purely via beast tribes

[carmine basin]

Btw, Tyr Beq is one of the customers in the bartending mini game

[rare sinew]

Cuz i cant understand their fkin rotation

[carmine basin]

Haven't seen them since I maxed pixies

[swift kraken]

lol pog

an lad x tyr beq best ship

[unreal wadi]

Oh btw

where is Granson again?

[shut burrow]

Someone calle me

d

[rare sinew]

Granson is the DRK yea?

[carmine basin]

He's near Wright

[unreal wadi]

Near Wright? Gotcha.

[carmine basin]

Behind a big rock near the town

[rare sinew]

Wright. Was standing over his wife's grave

[unreal wadi]

@rare sinew yeah the DRK

[carmine basin]

Standing over the grave of his wife yea

[gaunt star]

He is coming... Soon..

[unreal wadi]

I wanna see his dialogue after 5.3

Ive seen Cerigg & Lue-Reeq

but not Granson yet

[rare sinew]

I wonder if he'll be in the First or Source now

[unreal wadi]

Granson is still my favourite storyline

out of the 3

that ive played

[gaunt star]

I don't know but in new dungeon there is a chance you can see him.

[unreal wadi]

havent levelled my healer to 70 yet

[rare sinew]

Hrm

I thought i saw em all in that dungeon

[unreal wadi]

Taynor & Cerigg are a close 2nd

[rare sinew]

I know i saw the healer one

[carmine basin]

Hildibrand is a rare chance

[rare sinew]

Despite not doin the healer quest

[carmine basin]

He spawns along with the other WoLs

[rare sinew]

Nono the job quests

[unreal wadi]

I dont wanna spoil Giott's one yet

I wanna get my AST to 70

[royal spruce]

I'm interested to see what they're going to do for the last raid

[rare sinew]

Which

Nier or eden

[royal spruce]

24

[unreal wadi]

both

[rare sinew]

Ah

[unreal wadi]

for me

[rare sinew]

Probably some whackadoodle shit

Its Yoko Taro

[unreal wadi]

Nier raid story ended on a cliffhanger

[royal spruce]

I'm questioning how all this nier automata stuff got on to the first in the first place

[subtle pasture]

Did it

[unreal wadi]

Yoko Taro's writing is quite unique

[subtle pasture]

oh yeah it did, ||Where's Anogg ||

[carmine basin]

Oh hey remember how in Automata

[signal solar]

anogg awol

[carmine basin]

2B and 9S got separated

[unreal wadi]

Anogg got really

[carmine basin]

And when they reunited

[subtle pasture]

Considering it's not to the length of, "the Alien Ship is deep beneath some mountains in Kholusia"

[unreal wadi]

depressed

[carmine basin]

[unreal wadi]

because she felt like she was responsible

[subtle pasture]

I'm even more of the camp of "don't think too hard about it."

[unreal wadi]

for this shit

[subtle pasture]

Which is dumb considering 2P tricked all of us

[rare sinew]

Isnt that how u should view all of Yoko's stories?

[royal spruce]

The second 24-man did they like triple the difficulty from the first one

[unreal wadi]

I uh

YES

[subtle pasture]

Wanted to dropkick the dwarves blaming her

[unreal wadi]

Oh fuck that scene

That confrontation would scare anyone

[rare sinew]

I just said its complicated

No way in hell am I throwing those two under the bus

Even tho

They kinda deserve it

[subtle pasture]

Honestly I started picking up the threads of what was going on in the second boss,

[unreal wadi]

they do but...

[royal spruce]

I have a difficult time telling what the wars are boys and what dwarves are girls

[unreal wadi]

there was no way they would have known

[subtle pasture]

bc the way their speech... stilts, and glitches... as you kill them off

[unreal wadi]

2P was gonna go against us

[subtle pasture]

is incredibly telling

[royal spruce]

Dwarves

[subtle pasture]

and then the glows that come off 2P in the final boss

||MACHINE LIFEFORMS EMULATING ANDROIDS AHHHHH||

[unreal wadi]

It seems like

[subtle pasture]

TARO YOU BASTARD

THIS IS BRILLIANT

[unreal wadi]

they're making references to nier games

but not explictly adding those characters

[carmine basin]

Btw Glass

[tranquil flower]

what if the P in 2P is for Pregnant

[carmine basin]

The logic virus was made by machine lifeforms right?

[swift kraken]

[subtle pasture]

I believe so, never really explained

it couldn't have come from anywhere else, really

[unreal wadi]

i.e. 21O's self consciousness in that fucking heavy artillery unit

[carmine basin]

Since Ehva pointed out the last boss eyes are red

[subtle pasture]

iirc it was a byproduct and inevitability of, where their Black Boxes came from?

[carmine basin]

But since they are machines, red eyes just means they're aggresive

Unlike androids where red eyes means logic virus

[subtle pasture]

It also makes sense 21O is working, at least indirectly, with the Type P's,

||since she ultimately was interfaced w/ the Machine Network||

[rare sinew]

Compound 2P has compound pantsu

Good job Yoko

Has compound boob window

Ten outta ten

[swift kraken]

fat compound tiddy

[subtle pasture]

Someone somewhere wants to be the bodies making up her heels,

being stepped on 24/7

[swift kraken]

[carmine basin]

Makes me wonder why the machines recreated 2B though

[swift kraken]

what a dream

[rare sinew]

Cause machines realize quality waifu

[carmine basin]

And worth noting 9S could control the machines in CF

2B being alive points to this being from E ending

[subtle pasture]

Well tis his specialty, he hacked a generic machine lifeform in Route B

well and A too

[carmine basin]

But 9S only follows the machines in uhhh C ending? I forgot which

[subtle pasture]

second factory section

BECOME AS GODS

WE WILL BECOME AS GODS

and he saves 2B by possessing some units while he's recuperating on the Bunker

[carmine basin]

[rare sinew]

I really should play nier

[carmine basin]

Guess gotta wait for 5.5

[rare sinew]

Shame its so janky on my pc

[carmine basin]

The data logs are vague too

[wary perch]

I thought the 210 that we fight is a replica copy that the machine copy from the original data?

[signal solar]

get a ps4 4 head

[carmine basin]

I can't make sense of them beside that they seem to have landed in XIV world

[subtle pasture]

Also The Compound was basically THIS CANNOT CONTINUE THIS CANNOT CONTINUE redux,

and GOD I expected Adam when golden threads and a hand extended out of 'em

but that's also the sequence that confirms the Type P's are Machines, not Androids

...and yes that is signficant in Automata

[rare sinew]

I think Adam and Eve would have been too confusing for us non-Nier players

[subtle pasture]

Machine Lifeforms, etc, etc

[carmine basin]

Also kinda spoilers I guess

[rare sinew]

Tho.. the whole fkin thing was whackadoodle

[subtle pasture]

But yeah I started catching on in the second bosses,

[rare sinew]

I AM curious, ya know the style of the space ship inside the command centre?

[subtle pasture]

their stilted dialogue as you kill 'em off,

deffo Machine Lifeform speech patterns

[rare sinew]

Do you see that "style" in nier?

[carmine basin]

"Is this fun?"

[subtle pasture]

iirc the Alien invasion is uh

totally off screen

since it takes place, entirely, inc the alien's death, between Replicant/Gestalt and Automata?

[carmine basin]

Yeah

The alien invasion iirc is included in a short story

[rare sinew]

I hope to finally enjoy nier when i build my new pc

[carmine basin]

Automata wasn't made back then

[subtle pasture]

YoRHa came on the Seventh Machine-Android war

[carmine basin]

It retells Emil being the only one alive and fighting off aliens coming to earth

[subtle pasture]

and yes the aliens are well dead and in ruins by then

[signal solar]

spoilers for nier ||the aliens ans humans were already dead, so the whole game is redundant||

[subtle pasture]

...Automata is weird

[carmine basin]

Since he wants protect his friends' home

[subtle pasture]

IT's bc Automata is, what,

7000 years ahead of Gestalt?

[rare sinew]

Isnt the whole Nier series weird

[subtle pasture]

at least.

[carmine basin]

The stage play that explains A2 backstory was also before Automata

[signal solar]

replicant

its after replicant

[carmine basin]

Basically Yoko Taro have had this plot for a long time

[signal solar]

gestalt is its own game

[carmine basin]

Spread between mutliple media

[royal spruce]

Should I go play nier automata I never played it

[subtle pasture]

Ah okay, I mix 'em up cuz I didn't play,

rather, thought they were the same but also not

bc TARO

Nier is big collection of "Well yes but actually no."

[hardy rivet]

Should I go play nier automata I never played it
@royal spruce its good.

[signal solar]

replicant is brother sister

gestalt is daddy daughter

[subtle pasture]

Right, I know that diff between 'em,

[carmine basin]

Should I go play nier automata I never played it
@royal spruce if the raid story intrigues you then yes

It's better than what we have so far actually

On the raid

[subtle pasture]

It won't explain the raid and vice versa,

but both are fantastic pieces of media

[wary perch]

Emil have to be in the 3rd raid

[subtle pasture]

10/10 would recommend

[carmine basin]

Like, if you like the themes in the raid, the game will offer you something more

[wary perch]

I mean the head is iconic to nier

It cannot be not included

[subtle pasture]

At this point I think Dark Apocalypse is like,

[signal solar]

emil existing would make the whole raid make more sense

[hardy rivet]

its great cause like, automata is the first non 100% jank yoko taro game so, its got that going for it

[subtle pasture]

an AU where ||instead of synthesizing Adam and then Eve, the Machine Network made the Type P's?||

[carmine basin]

That makes sense

[subtle pasture]

but that's just a wild idea for what we got so far

[signal solar]

its completely canon to nier

so it cant be a different continutiy

[carmine basin]

I'm just hoping for Red Girls in the last tier

[subtle pasture]

wait is this,

[carmine basin]

I want my creepy girls with their creepy grin

[subtle pasture]

basically the Replicant to Automata's Gestalt

it probably is, isn't it

[signal solar]

oh

you might be right

hmmmm

[wary perch]

Did Yoko taro make DA canon to Nier series?

[foggy coyote]

Fuck the 3rd boss in the Puppets' Bunker. I just wanted to say that.

[subtle pasture]

I love and hate it, but the music is a damn bop

[hardy rivet]

third boss as long as the tank moves the boss correctly is ezpz

[foggy coyote]

Our tank didn't do shit, so

But yeah, I like the music, the setting, and the references for Nier players that were in it

But the mechanics just got on my nerves

[signal solar]

you follow the line that has the moving aura

[carmine basin]

I need to remember the one with the pods and the tether

[foggy coyote]

I only ran it once, so I'll have to see how I feel about it when I go through on my healer

[carmine basin]

I find it easier to learn than CF, personally

[subtle pasture]

The solution to the mixed pods is between the two 010's/laser aoes,

and the final one is rotated so follow the tethers

[carmine basin]

But might be because I had more experience with FF mechs than I did back then

[swift kraken]

cf was way easier

[subtle pasture]

My last favorite mechanic is probably,

Eh, I can't hait Side Swipe

[swift kraken]

the spin 2 win mechanic on the first boss

that keeps going faster

[subtle pasture]

it's a really clever dive bomb set for a veyr clever alliance boss(es)

I love the second bosses

[carmine basin]

First boss has my fav mechanics

[subtle pasture]

Sliding Swipe is the divebomb set where they set two arenas on fire first

I love how the second bosses can uh,

[carmine basin]

I also especially like the song part since it calls back to Drakengard 3

[subtle pasture]

you can wipe a team by pointing the sstacks wrong

[hardy rivet]

yeah the second boss in bunker is nice. all the others are not super. I like CF a bit better overall. beating up 9S

[subtle pasture]

Idek who to call my least favorite boss, really,

[carmine basin]

This really makes me wonder if Queen Beast influenced the machines in some way

[swift kraken]

cf bosses were whatever

[foggy coyote]

The first and last bosses were my favorites.

[swift kraken]

but i had bruh moments

[signal solar]

i carried my team through the third boss

[swift kraken]

in the bunker

[hardy rivet]

the last boss in bunker is kinda meh

[signal solar]

boss had 1% hp left

i was the only one left standing

[carmine basin]

Like gods exist in drakengard

[signal solar]

"i know what i have to do"

[swift kraken]

21O, compound and the flower

[carmine basin]

Does the same gods exist in nier world?

[subtle pasture]

Aegis Unit is really fun, the three flight units are really clever, Heavy Artillery Unit is REALLY COOL

Compound 2P feels the weakest overall but she's not, at all

[swift kraken]

compound isnt punishing enough

shit should just oneshot you

[subtle pasture]

Yeah I'll say that, I have never wiped to her

[signal solar]

compound is just 2p out of the jar

[swift kraken]

[subtle pasture]

every other boss, yeah, but I have yet to wipe to Compound 2P

[swift kraken]

or do an aoe right after

a spark mech

[carmine basin]

I think my first run we wiped on her

[foggy coyote]

I always felt the implication was that they did. The gods' influence was associated with red eyes in Drakengard, and that's what the machines had in N:A, so.

[carmine basin]

And apparently she stays as 2P?

[subtle pasture]

I've wiped to The Compound a few times, but never her

[carmine basin]

But yeah we didn't restart her ball phase when we wiped

[subtle pasture]

Oh, yeah, I heard it is checkpointed but I

have never wiped to P2

And for the record, I've ran it like

7 times so far this week

[carmine basin]

time to sabotage the run to check

Jk

[subtle pasture]

I always spam 24mans their first weeks

[carmine basin]

I don't think you can wipe by now

Most people have learned it

[foggy coyote]

Y'all making me wanna go back in there, but I also don't want to torture myself, lmao

[subtle pasture]

I got my loot the secnd run but I just,

really love new 24mans

[foggy coyote]

I hate healing these fucking things

[carmine basin]

I still don't have the 2P minion

[subtle pasture]

I also got 7 comms my 5th run for teaching 'em

I also like how everyone's best guesstimate for resonater cannons or w/e the overlapping aoes in the Aegis unit is is just,

"find the overlap shrinking the fastest."

I watched a few guide videos to see if anyone found any better method

but nop

Another thing I don't think guide videos have caught on is uh, third boss

Impact Crusher,

each hop targets one person per alliance

the three hops -> donut aoe

[carmine basin]

Oh that's what he does

[subtle pasture]

which the fucker does after second synthesize compound bc aHHHHHH

[carmine basin]

I may have been killed by that when I got to low health

I was confused why I died

[subtle pasture]

Cuz I saw one of its hops centered square on where one of the stacks were,

so p sure it's like a callback to uhhh,

Arachne Eve,

when she throws a web aoe on someone from each alliance

not a callback but just,

similar targetting, etc

but sdo it's also like Rofocale where, for the love of the Twelve,

please bait the thing closer to the raid

so we can dodge the follow-up aoe easier

Overall I think that's what I really dig of Puppets' Bunker, keeping alliance-targetted mechs feeling fresh,

a trio boss w/ firewall mechanic like

[frozen spade]

so what does THMR stand for in SoS EX?

[teal geyser]

Tank healer melee ranged

@frozen spade

[frozen spade]

okay now I need figure out what its for then

[teal geyser]

I haven't done it yet so idk

Also look at the numbers

M1 M2 for example

One is melee one and one is melee two

You want to go to whatever one is assigned to you

It's probably just about where to stand and not about an order of things...unless it's meteors

Again I haven't even looked at the EX

[frozen spade]

bc I have cleared it but seeing THMR in clear/farm parties just confuses me what mechanic they're talking about

[teal geyser]

Oh

[frozen spade]

bc melee uptime during add phase is completely pointless as dps check during that is a fucking joke

[teal geyser]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[frozen spade]

okay it was referring to towers

apperently sticking to your meteor partner is too big brain so THMR is your 2nd partner for towers

why not just stick to your meteor buddy from the start. Why make another partner for towers?

[lost birch]

people seem to want to make that fight unnecessarily confusing. guess it's just a lot of mechanics that can be done in very different ways and people aren't seeing where you can keep it simple

[frozen spade]

its like people who do ninja with no KB immune

stop it

just KB immune

[lost birch]

^

[frozen spade]

and go card/inter card

[lost birch]

I also get that the fight isn't fantastic for melee dps uptime.... but also, keep it simple

[frozen spade]

even with all the moving we skip a WoL mechanic on the kill

we had 2 melee and 2 ranged

[lost birch]

was in a party yesterday that fell apart because a few people wanted to do the adds uptime strat and half the party was unfamiliar with it. so we went through a couple minutes of explanation and then people were still confused and we wiped

and it would've saved maybe a few seconds on the fight

[frozen spade]

i had 94% uptime while the melee's had 90% uptime on our first clear

adds uptime is completely moot as it saves 1-2 seconds

plus range dps can die in the stack if they're not over ilvl 490 and don't get heal after corners

[lost birch]

yeah, like it's worth it if you're in a static or an FC group where you can work that stuff out and save time in the long term, or if you put it in your PF message and people are familiar with it. but it's just not worth forcing anything out of the ordinary in your pug farm group when people don't know it

[open verge]

Should get my clear today

Been so busy tho

[frozen spade]

good luck on it

[open verge]

A lot of stuff I want to do this patch

Didn’t know yokai wasn’t til next week

Remember that 5.3 leak?

[swift kraken]

CLOUD

OF

DARK

NESS

[open verge]

Didn’t they say the trial was cloud of darkness or something

Lmfao

World merging was apart of it right

[swift kraken]

ultimates with scalable difficulty

[open verge]

Really? That was apart of it

Why did you guys make it seem trustable

[swift kraken]

i was laughing about it the moment i saw it

literal fanwank

[royal spruce]

I seen it trending on Twitter with 130k tweets KissAnime was killed

[open verge]

Good

9anime is better

What ff game has your favorite logo

[forest magnet]

7

and 8

[frozen spade]

its like the relic weapon leak and everyone thought it was fake bc no one thought they'll add it in 5.3 patch but they did instead of 5.35

[carmine basin]

15 because I'm weak

[frozen spade]

which is so weird

[carmine basin]

But 10 after

[forest magnet]

and then someone else posted screenshots of it and thye still thought it was fake

and then someone said they were listed under the same weapon model as as different variant

and they still denied it

[frozen spade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/i9joiy/spoilers_53535_new_glowy_relic_weapons_bozjan/

the models/glow if anyone want to see

[untold gull]

ooh yeah, i've seen that. i love the rdm one. very subtle. and the glow is a nice tinge of red

[frozen spade]

DRK glows are always good

[open verge]

My favorite logo is 12

[jovial marsh]

man this sucks emet knew who we were with his weary wanderer line but we didn't understand Y.Y

[untold gull]

he didn't know yet

that line was before ardbert joined with us

[open verge]

That mch glow

So good

[untold gull]

but yeah, it does make you think that he could've possibly drew comparison to his old friend

[open verge]

Monk weapon sucks

[frozen spade]

monk is just rave sticks

[untold gull]

tonfa

[open verge]

The best part of the samsara is the black and red colors

And the glow isn’t any of those colors

[untold gull]

the ornate design on tonfa disappeared with the glow

[craggy gale]

tonfas are best in game

[open verge]

Whyyyyy

The original samsara is my favorite monk weapon

[high solstice]

Can anyone tell me what beast tribe rank we unlock the dance emote?

The /lalihop

[open verge]

Dwarves

[high solstice]

Yeah

Which rank

[open verge]

I can’t read

[high solstice]

Imma rank up today

[rare sinew]

Do it

[high solstice]

So idk if its 5 or 6

[open verge]

Should be trusted I think?

[rare sinew]

Probably high rank

[high solstice]

Rank 4 is trusted

[open verge]

Is trusted 5 or 6

[high solstice]

I’m currently rank 4

[open verge]

Oops

Probably rank 6 that’s when you get the mounts I think?

[hardy rivet]

we'll know in 12 minutes baby

[carmine basin]

Yep

[high solstice]

Rank 7 is mount i think cuz rank 8 usually doesn’t do anything

[rare sinew]

Ra ra rasputin lover of the russian queen

[high solstice]

So its either 5 or 6

[open verge]

That dancer relic

[rare sinew]

What else could they give us

[open verge]

Holy shit

[frozen spade]

every clear/farm for SoS EX is doing THMR for towers

[open verge]

That dancer relic is so sick

[rare sinew]

Im guessing housing items

[high solstice]

Rank 4 gave us minion

[frozen spade]

fuck off with that strat

[jovial marsh]

i might have to do dwarves for the tank

[untold gull]

yo guys

[open verge]

You have to do th mr for towers

[untold gull]

pray for the dude who datamined that tho

[open verge]

You mean the first towers?

[frozen spade]

WHM/BLM for towers, just stick with your meteor partners

[open verge]

But y

[lost birch]

counting is hard

[frozen spade]

bc you don't need to make another partner group

[rare sinew]

Pendant bird is.. a seagull or albatross?

[open verge]

I agree with you

The fight is literally all partner mechanics at the end of it so why change groups

[untold gull]

you talking about the shoebill?

[rare sinew]

Shoebill thats the one

TIL it moves around according to time of day

Window during day. Table during night

Doesnt follow your char

[frozen spade]

like THMR is breaking from your card patners to make new partners

just stick with your meteor partner from the start

people making the fight overly complicated

[lost birch]

play a tank so you can get a new partner with every buster

[frozen spade]

unless ya swap after LB4, your N tank should be back up for towers

bc you got 1 buster in phase 1 then another in phase 3 before the first WoL mechanic

[carmine basin]

When you have 2 shoebills around you

[severe finch]

Yeah when I cleared SoS EX we just kept our meteor partners for BLM summon

[frozen spade]

like enrage is at 12minutes 30s into the fight. 82k dps clears it at 10:44

[severe finch]

It's so much easier that way

[frozen spade]

yeah people making the fight overly complicated. Just stay with your partner for the mechanics. No need to make a new partner group for the fight

like the dps check to beat enrage is pretty much a joke

[severe finch]

oh yeah i did it with my fairly casual FC and we had a ton of deaths and still cleared with like a minute left

[open verge]

I’ll get my clear today

You don’t see all 4 adds right?

[cold drift]

has there been any images datamined for the relic?

the 2nd step that is

[frozen spade]

nope we killed the boss before the final WoL mechnaic came out

has there been any images datamined for the relic?
@cold drift scroll up I posted a reddit link to it

[forest magnet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/i9joiy/spoilers_53535_new_glowy_relic_weapons_bozjan/

[empty moss]

dwarf quest be like https://youtu.be/3e6EkNXCC0c

death machines for the needy

[rare sinew]

"We want a way to transport stuff safely"
"How about a tank lol"

[empty moss]

XD

[rare sinew]

Arent tanks like.. really cramped IRL

[empty moss]

im mean the disign is more sound than anything garlimald has made , and yes

unless your Israeli

those tanks have a fair amount of room by tank standards

or a TOG2*

[crimson pollen]

"your mission, should you choose to accept it..."

lmao, I lol'd with that easter egg

[timid solstice]

Where is this Luck'y Locket thing?

I missed it because I accidentally clicked

Lucy's*

nvm found it

[frozen spade]

anyone else wishes you can go back and do the sapphire weapon fight again?

[gaunt star]

yes

[unique verge]

Presumably it will go into NG+ eventually

[gaunt star]

they could easily give it a reason

[restive robin]

I think the day before the update somebody posted that emet will come help us fight elidibus in main chat. They werent wrong.

[gaunt star]

'simulated fights to improve G-Warrior'

ez pez

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/ia5wm4 also someone was nice enough to get this

[rare sinew]

Reddit hosting images really annoys me with their design

[violet forge]

So quick question, does the Exarch remember what happened right after the fight with Elidibus? And is it his consciousness too? Like when they merged did the Exarch literally wake back up in G'raha Tia's body on the source

If anybody knows lol, all the soul stuff raises a lot of questions

[rare sinew]

Its not mentioned

As i understand it

[gaunt star]

he does cause he done it to himself probably

[rare sinew]

I DID wonder too, because after the Exarch transferred his soul into the crystal, he could still smile, so i wonder how does that work

[gaunt star]

just before he goes crystalized he put his mind in the vessel

[rare sinew]

Yea, but he still smiled after that before crystalizing

[gaunt star]

yeah just a quick smile isnt really odd

[violet forge]

I mean it is odd when his soul isn't in his body lmao

[rare sinew]

But theoratically, his soul is already inside the crystal

[gaunt star]

does it really matter if he remembers smiling or not tho

[rare sinew]

Nah.

[gaunt star]

[rare sinew]

I just wondered how is he doin it if literally everything about him is in there

[unique verge]

because he had to strike a pose before dying and it would be super awkward to be like "Okay, hold that pose real quick while i suck your soul out"

[gaunt star]

well its not like the scions who had no bodies

the scions had no actual body so they got all into the crystal

[violet forge]

Also didn't he put his memories in before everything happened? So does he remember everything that happened after Elidibus showed up at the tower

[gaunt star]

yes he does

he remembers everything that occured

[unique verge]

Presumably he refreshed those at the end

[gaunt star]

even if he didnt in the few days skip he could have been informed

time skip*

and yeah he did touch the crystal

b4 getting up

so he probably did refresh that

remembering if he smiled while turning into crystal doesnt matter

[rare sinew]

Google drive synced

Its not to do with him remembering

But rather if the house is empty, who turned on the lights

[gaunt star]

huh

[rare sinew]

Thats the best analogy i can come up with

If he transferred his soul into the crystal, how was he able to still smile. Essentially all that was left to crystalize was just a husk

[gaunt star]

idk lol

its final fantasy i wont try to dig deep into why someone did a quick smile moments after

[neat edge]

same logic that the scions reunited with their memories and souls, wake up like nothing happened

[rare sinew]

Minor stuff

[unique verge]

Like i said

[gaunt star]

its as minor as irrelevant

[unique verge]

he had to strike a pose

[frozen spade]

Thancred: "MY TURN"
vs
G'raha Tia: "I stand ever ready"

[unique verge]

and it would be awkward to make it make sense

[gaunt star]

not everything needs to make sense rly

[foggy coyote]

MY TURN

MY TURN

MY TURN

[unique verge]

"Okay G'raha, i know you're about to die so lets get this right the first time. Go walk over there and look inspiring."

gets distracted

....shit i forgot to suck out his soul before he died

Easier to just have 2 seconds of things that dont make sense

[rare sinew]

Of course. Of course

[foggy coyote]

PREPARE YOURSELF

[rare sinew]

This is just.. nitpicking :P

[neat edge]

the wrong twin goes in the wrong body kind of comedy

[rare sinew]

I wss hoping the twins would pull that gag

[gaunt star]

everytime an ancient one fades away it hurts a little bit

[rare sinew]

No more to fade now

[gaunt star]

[unique verge]

Hey now

Fandango may be sundered, but he's ripe for extermination

[rare sinew]

Ya gonna cry for crazy anime boi?

I aint crying

Imma gonna be doing the coffin dance meme

No matter how dated it will be

[open verge]

Lmao

Fandaniel is gonna try and give a sob story but like

He has asahi face

No one will give a shit

[unique verge]

I kind of dislike that Ascians are able to just ignore the state of a corpse

[signal solar]

"oo free body, mine mine"

[unique verge]

Like, the manner in which Asahi was killed, the body should be incapable of moving around in the extremely animated manner that Fandaniel was

[rare sinew]

Mental note: Burn all bodies

[unique verge]

Zenos should be incapable of speech, potentially

etc.

[carmine basin]

They apparently can reconstruct the body as they like

Emet explains so in Rak'tika iirc

[unique verge]

Hmm

I dont remember that bit

I'll have to find it later

[rare sinew]

He just yoinked someone's body to transform into his current form iirc

[carmine basin]

In fact, Emet's body in the first belonged to someone else that he fashioned to his taste

Not the clone that Varis made

[gaunt star]

they pretty much turned into souls to traver other shards they cant take bodies with them

travel*

@unique verge

[unique verge]

Ah yeah i remember that now

optional dialogue

[gaunt star]

yeah

https://pastebin.com/ffXVNJsM rest of it is here

[open verge]

God lahabrea is dumb

Guess he just wanted to look cool in those bodies

[late willow]

What was the name of the 14th Convocation member again?

[gaunt star]

Azem

[late willow]

Right, ty

[gaunt star]

no problem, shadowbringers patch 5.3

[unreal wadi]

do uh

people have links to how the gunblade of light looks like?

[signal solar]

from EX?

go to eulmore

to the vendor

and try on the gunblade from there

[unreal wadi]

right gotcha

[rare sinew]

Crystarium weap upgrade in 5.4 right?

[heady shadow]

Hm..... what does the new Dungeon aiming top/bottom look like?

you should be able to upgrade it now

[rare sinew]

?? I cant find the upgrade for weap

[heady shadow]

using the coins you get from the two nier raids

[rare sinew]

Just gear

I dont see the one for weap?

[heady shadow]

hold on let me go look

[carmine basin]

Cant upgrade wep yet I think?

[signal solar]

you cant for weapon

[heady shadow]

because I jjust saw enm

[signal solar]

only from savage

weapon is 5.4

[rare sinew]

Oh god. But i dont wanna do savaggeee

[neat edge]

just need to wait some more

[signal solar]

alternatively

you do extreme

or

relic

pick poison

[carmine basin]

!iglam shadowless coat of aiming

[lusty shadow]

Error!

No Glamour image found, Kupo!

[carmine basin]

Oops

[rare sinew]

Relic all day then

[fluid basalt]

doing zetas with flying is so much better

[heady shadow]

whts the ilvl of them again?

[carmine basin]

475

[signal solar]

@carmine basin its like elidibus's coat but with a purple gem in the middle

[heady shadow]

no the wep

[unreal wadi]

the ex one?

ilvl 495

[unique verge]

@velvet shale i happen to have one in my bags, so here -

[heady shadow]

Crysterium is supposed to be 500 right? or?

[signal solar]

yes

aug cryst is 500

[carmine basin]

It's actually scree who's asking xD

[unique verge]

Oh, well

[carmine basin]

But tyty

[unique verge]

whoever wanted to see it

there it is

[carmine basin]

Nice elf girl

[unique verge]

Heh, when i realized that FF14's character creation allowed you to make an actual Drow it was the only option for me.

[heady shadow]

Shee-Tach: Augmented Crystarium War uots Ilvl500

need crystline ester

[signal solar]

ester is from savage

[heady shadow]

rip

thats the item i didnt remember

[unreal wadi]

[heady shadow]

[gaunt star]

I'm glad now I actually have a favourite scion thanks to 5.3... I used to be "meh.." about all of them, but Y'shtola won me over forever 😛 Sipping tea like a kween 😂

[rare sinew]

Anyone know that happy adventure music they had during that scene?

Like, whats the name

[gaunt star]

wait let me listen to it

[gaunt star]

can't freaking find its name

@rare sinew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5SLkvHkSRc

I wanted the one slightly before it, when G'raha was talking... didn't find it

[heady shadow]

Im....worried.

the ||dwarves are making ethanol||

[signal solar]

to put in their tanks as fuel

[rare sinew]

Thanks @gaunt star

[signal solar]

ethanol is just organic alcohol

[radiant badger]

I heard gettin' drunk

[gaunt star]

Actually found it 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyll1643pcQ

[radiant badger]

Actually wasn't there some sort of science experiment with that? Some sort of bacteria that existed in all plants, they modified to turn roots into alcohol when decayed

[heady shadow]

I know theres some part in space where its just ethanol but.../.

[radiant badger]

TL;DR, grow food, turn root into alcohol, then just piss it into the gas tank

Problem:

Existed in all plants
And alcohol poisoning is a thing that exists for all life

[signal solar]

ethanol is created when a plant is in a low carbon dioxide atmosphere

such as in a barrel

[radiant badger]

Found it, nevermind, it's a Cracked article.

So it's entirely possible to be fulla crap

https://www.cracked.com/article_18503_how-biotech-company-almost-killed-world-with-booze.html

Still a funny read though

[heady shadow]

W3(OH) is ethoW3(OH)ol rich xD

fuck

this is why I hte the copy_pste thing

[radiant badger]

The whole possibly full of crap part is pretty funny, because it does at least realistically display how fragile the ecosystem totally is.

It's not impossible to bioengineer this kind of situation, and it's very possible to fuck up EVERYTHING by doing so.

[radiant badger]

SCIENCE IS FUN!

And also deadly as shit.

[heady shadow]

yes

the fun prt though

[radiant badger]

The fermentation process didn't kill the modified K. planticola--it was still there, ready to turn dead plant material into alcohol. The bigger problem? It didn't even wait until the plants were dead to start. The normal K. planticola bacterium result in a benign layer of slime on the living root systems it inhabits, but the engineered version would also be producing alcohol in this slime--with levels as high as 17 parts per million, and anything beyond one or two parts of alcohol per million is lethal to all known plant life.

[heady shadow]

is wondering if wht you re gonn do is... gonn blow you up, or be oky

[radiant badger]

[heady shadow]

christ

[radiant badger]

Man that's not even the scariest part

See, the Environmental Protection Agency was the only overseer for all biotech releases, and their policy was to test new bacteria in sterile soil. The problem here being that the real world is not sterile; it is the antithesis of sterile. The whole point of sterility is to zap all normal, unexpected elements out of a sample environment so that the scientists can see its effects in a pure, untainted environment. They deemed the modified K. planticola to be safe in sterile soil, but apparently just totally forgot that its intended use was in the fucking dirt, which is a notoriously dirty place, isn't it?!

Translation:
They cleaned the dirt and tested it in a glass box
went AIGHT THIS IS SAFE FOR REALITY FAM
And nearly released it into unclean, un-isolated planetary dirt.

So yeah as long as the dwarves don't like.. do THAT

Ethanol tanks be perfectly ace

[frozen spade]

[stuck yarrow]

Soken is so good at leitmotifs

[rare sinew]

Dwarves. Its always the gold

[frozen spade]

I feel like the dwarves currency could just be beer or ale

[rare sinew]

Probably

[rugged basin]

No no, The beer is their lifeblood, not currency.

[neat edge]

Its funny how you can skip that entire cutscene

[stable kelp]

Is all that from beast tribe questline?

[neat edge]

yep

[heady shadow]

is... Ronitt nd the interloper going to be the Geeky pairing

[gaunt star]

Ronitt: Can you come with? she scares me. Also Ronitt a moment later: "Hey old crone..." 🤦‍♂️

[ivory shadow]

I physically laughed out loud at this

[gaunt star]

He's smart

[signal solar]

hmm

[dapper yarrow]

Hmm.

[signal solar]

diamond foreshadow?

[stoic moss]

last

[heady shadow]

HMMM

[frozen spade]

I want back in sapphire weapon

se pls turn it into a weekly or daily thing to fight stuff in the simulation

[static niche]

@signal solar no it's a reference to FF7 where sapphire weapon got its head blown off.

[signal solar]

yes

diamond also got his head blown off

[static niche]

nope

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yweePI5swcM

watch it again

[signal solar]

chest hole

[heady shadow]

still dies

xD

[rugged basin]

Sapphire was in Juno. We don't fight that one. He climbed up to his head in line with the cannon and promptly lost it.

[static niche]

we didn't really fight diamond either.

its attention was more on sister ray than us so

[rugged basin]

True, but the player at least had more control leading up to it. 🙂

[signal solar]

actually you can fight diamond

good exp

[static niche]

we didn't really fight diamond either.
its attention was more on sister ray than us so```

bruh

[rugged basin]

Just because he wasn't fighting us, doesn't mean we weren't fighting him.

[static niche]

and we failed miserably

diamond no-selled all of our attacks

all it took was the same energy that diamond utilitize to defeat it. Mako Energy

[rugged basin]

Nah, our task was simply to hold him off till the ray was ready to shoot. We did our job successfully.

[static niche]

concernated into a chunk of focused blast

and no, we didn't even distract it

he kept walking

im hoping we'll see diamond weapon in ff7r part 2 at same time as 5.5

:^p

would be swell.

[gaunt star]

inb4 XIV leaks 7R2s Diamond weapon

[unique verge]

Hmm

[static niche]

how dare you jinx it

[gaunt star]

Re: So not only can Elidibus use illusions to awaken Echo, he can plant feelings from past old memories...?

[teal geyser]

Wdym plant feelings?

[gaunt star]

In the beginning Alisaie mentions how she could feel as if she’s lost something of great value while she was in Amaurot. Again when the second star shower came to be, this man goes to say “why do I feel so sad as if I’ve lost something very dear to me?”

[unique verge]

I disagree with both aspects. "using illusions" implies that somehow he's forcing the echo open intentionally. He has no actual control over who awakens to it, and who instead gets the "sad feelings of having lost something". Any sundered person, regardless, will react to visions of the Final Days in those ways.

[drowsy belfry]

The Final Days left such an imprint on people that it's etched into their very souls

Seeing a star show reminds them of something they can't remember

[teal geyser]

Well the illusions are to trigger PTSD and get the echo unlocked in people

That's just yeah

Them vaguely remembering something

[tough fern]

Memory of the final days are etched into everyones souls

Even us sundered

[gaunt star]

Ahhh

[frozen spade]

which when they see it, they awaken to the echo

[gaunt star]

So this is true for people all over, First and source alike? Even other Shards?

[teal geyser]

@unique verge he is using the illusions to purposefully unlock the echo in people, Soui never specified specific people

They aren't wrong

@gaunt star yes

[signal solar]

hydaelyn did this to us 1.0

[tough fern]

They're're unable to remember why they feel the way they do because they aren't whole

[unique verge]

Which, by the way, was a gaping fucking error in the MSQ

[teal geyser]

?

[drowsy belfry]

Eeeeh it's just been too long

[tough fern]

Only ones who do remember are the unsundered

[heady shadow]

did it to lagacy players in 1.0

[drowsy belfry]

Sundered people remembered the End Days

like 12k years ago

[heady shadow]

and to normal players . 2.0

[teal geyser]

Why Bal?

[drowsy belfry]

It's been too long

[unique verge]

Somewhere in the MSQ, i'd have to track it down

One of the scions says to you something along the lines of "wasnt that how your echo was unlocked"

[drowsy belfry]

It's why there are cave paintings OF the sundering and stuff

At one points long ago

EVERYBODY remembered it

[gaunt star]

Ah

[unique verge]

and it.....doesnt account for the fact that non-1.0 players never saw that

[drowsy belfry]

But due to sundered beings not living long enough and short memories compared to Ancients

it was lost to time

[teal geyser]

2.0 has a meteor shower very early in main story

[gaunt star]

Even non legacy players got their echo in a similar fashion

[teal geyser]

It's when you fight the first solo instance boss

[gaunt star]

2.0 has a meteor shower very early in main story
@teal geyser yup, right after you kill the monster in lvl 4? And get the water crystal

Lvl 4 or 6?

[static niche]

yes

4

[unique verge]

Okay hold on im gonna go look for this.

[heady shadow]

so for 4 levels.

youhad no echo xD

[teal geyser]

I...don't think you get the crystal at that exact moment but yes

[static niche]

you do

[drowsy belfry]

You do

[static niche]

it's what triggered the memory

[teal geyser]

Alright I believe you

[static niche]

you pick it up and boom vision

[drowsy belfry]

You pick it up, and it triggers the memory

[static niche]

you faint away

[drowsy belfry]

HEAR FEEL THINK

[gaunt star]

youhad no echo xD
@heady shadow well iirc, you still get that initial vision

[static niche]

and the scion for the city ask if u ok

[signal solar]

even if you didnt play 1.0

you were still in the events of 1.0

[static niche]

yeah

[teal geyser]

No

[gaunt star]

Not necessarily no

[teal geyser]

That's not true

[static niche]

it's canon

[teal geyser]

1.0 and 2.0 players are canonically different

[gaunt star]

Non legacy players have nothing to do with 1.0 players

We are different

We don’t have legacy tattoo

[static niche]

yeah but 2.0 WoLs are still involved in 1.0

[gaunt star]

And we have a different origin