i want to mine him too
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
swift kraken
carmine basin
Would it be fucked up if you can make weapon out of his statue
swift kraken
put him in my garden
heady shadow
swift kraken
garden gnome graha
carmine basin
G'raha: Wow WoL, that weapon look cool! What material did you use for it? Looks familiar...
WoL: from your crystalized body
swift kraken
oh
now we know what bluespirit weapons are made from
sneaky foreshadowing squenix
unreal wadi
Oh...
carmine basin
I already saw some ppl cosplaying as G'raha using those weapons
swift kraken
subtle pasture
I’m surprised the seat of sacrifice w/ his statue isn’t accessible after
...is it?
carmine basin
Well it's made with Bluespirit ore
swift kraken
nop
carmine basin
A sizable hunk of the remarkably aether-rich mineral known as bluespirit.
swift kraken
not accessible
carmine basin
Lyna could've visited it
swift kraken
100% and we were robbed
hexed mango
Wait I confused
why did Elidibus need to convince everybody to become warriors of light, if he was just going to summon warriors from other worlds anyways?
steep cape
he needs the powah
lost birch
didn't he only get that ability from stealing G'raha's blood crystal thing
hexed mango
My only theory is that he was going to limit the Crystarium's defenses
wary perch
Man that post 5.3 dialogue from the crystalline mean lady in charge:
"I know the exarch don't want us to make a automata using his image but we go and did it anyway. If he got any problem with that he can come and complain about it."
hexed mango
by having all the guards leave
wary perch
carmine basin
I think it's because he's strengthen by the belief in warrior of lights?
Y'shtola explained in the Tempest part I think, I didn't quote remember what she said about it
half tendon
as an aspect of zodiark he's like...
a hope powered primal
and so having a bunch of warriors of light around gives him more hope power
unique verge
Yeah. He's basically just Zodiark, not really Elidibus, anyway
steep cape
unique verge
Why would that make someone mad?
untold gull
lore-wise, it makes a lot of sense
carmine basin
I think not mad mad, just "oh shit they made this all connected" mad
steep cape
"oh you sneaky sneaky devs" mad
swift kraken
ye
wary perch
Just a coincidence
swift kraken
they wrote 5.3 beforehand so
untold gull
there is no such thing as coincidence 
swift kraken
probably not
swift kraken
with the giant ass lake being called the source i wouldnt be surprised if that forest was a nod to us
carmine basin
Anyway relevant quote re: Elidibus and his WoL plan
carmine basin
This reminded me of his ARR quote
And also explains I guess? why Elidibus doesn't want Minfillia to die
carmine basin
No
unreal wadi
aw 😦
steep cape
in fact, they made em even less accessible! :D
unreal wadi
i have a lot of wolf marks
because i farmed a lot of rival wings
for moogle tomestones
placid sail
after the Seventh Calamity, the balance of the Source was apparently dangerously close to astral, that is why Elidibus "encouraged" the existence of the Scions, I think
he says something like that
which implies even the Source can get flooded...
wary perch
Dam you urianger
half tendon
the old tower just isn't the same without him
carmine basin
Emet-Selch minion when
carmine basin
I'd honestly pay since it's not too expensive
swift kraken
i would but im never changing my minion now
unique verge
I've yet to see a minion that i dont find to be annoying
carmine basin
Where is that minion farm SE
unique verge
So i dont use them
unique verge
95% of a render
unreal wadi
Looking back at 'The Sorrow of Werylt'
Ruby Weapon had combat data of Nael Van Darnus
Sapphire Weapon had combat data of Regula Van Hydrus
If Emerald Weapon is next, I'm assuming its going to have more combat data
rare sinew
Alright... im seeing this theory that ole elidibus was a child. Where in the story is that mentioned?
Yes, he's small sized when we defeat him but so was Emet, and I don't hear no one saying Emet was a kid
turbid aspen
emet wasnt that tiny was he
dapper yarrow
rare sinew
I see it here occasionally
I saw it on a couple o reddit threads
Some bit about him being a child prodigy
Tbh, elidibus was about the same size, no?
Their argument was really 
So i thought i might hav missed something
carmine basin
We're not sure how young he is but his viewpoint in flashback is rather low iirc
Let me check
rare sinew
Another argument is that apparently the ancients sacrificed Child Elidibus to be Zodiarks heart because a child tends to only see things as clear cut black and white
And i was like
carmine basin
rare sinew
gaunt star
honestly
shut burrow
He could've just been the youngest member of teh convocation 🤷♀️
gaunt star
it doesnt matter if he was a kid or not
shut burrow
Just because he's small doesn't equal to him being a kid
gaunt star
but yea
gaunt star
could be but why would it matter
carmine basin
gaunt star
he was still aware of his actions n all
to me it was simply due to losing his aether 
unless u make sense of his voice
rare sinew
Yea. I was just like
Becuz those that theirize that he is a child sorta view it as "he is a child, and should be symphatized even more"
But
I have seen zero evidence that he was a child
carmine basin
Even if he is young, he's probably like the twins
digital pine
do you mean this reddit post?
gaunt star
i gotta be honest i dont hate elidibus
carmine basin
Both of them are treated as adults
rare sinew
Thats one of em
carmine basin
And Elidibus wasn't babied by the others too
rare sinew
But i've seen quite a few others
turbid aspen
i got a thread saved with like 400 upvotes talking about the whole child elidibus thing
carmine basin
He's equal to the other convocation members
gaunt star
Elidibus had the most important role in the convocation lol
carmine basin
And have as much blood on his hands as the others
🤷
I'm talking about him being child makes him more pitied
By the fandom
gaunt star
xiv fandom sucks
rare sinew
Yes, but where is that statement made that he is a child
gaunt star
there isnt
rare sinew
Because i swear, people just pull shit out of their ass
gaunt star
thats the xiv fandom aoi
rare sinew
gaunt star
i dont hate elidibus still 
fluid basalt
it did appear smaller at the end of the fight, compared to the other ancients
carmine basin
In his flashback, the others do look downwards
carmine basin
Everyone else was standing
rare sinew
Cause they want to go outside
carmine basin
Why'd you assume he's the only one sitting
rare sinew
And are inviting him out
gaunt star
to tell him to stop being so obsessed
and they were concerned
why should they have to be sitting too
exactly
u dont go to someone to sit down
and then tell them to go out
atleast i never came across someone doing it
ever 
also its possible each Overlord has their own office atleast
i doubt they always sat together on a round table
turbid aspen
convocation robes too big 
gaunt star
even so does it really matter? he did everything on his own will
pitying him for being a kid is just as stupid as ud expect the xiv fandom to be
carmine basin
I'm just pointing out why ppl think he's a child
Because they do have grounds on that
gaunt star
ok but what about his voice
carmine basin
I just don't treat him as a child 🤷
placid sail
does he fade away because people don't need him anymore?
gaunt star
nobody should
placid sail
he is a primal after all
gaunt star
he faded away cause of the white auracite
i mean
the crystal tower as Exarch stated
placid sail
I know that's how we destroyed him
gaunt star
is no different
placid sail
but that line specifically
dusky remnant
is this a thing ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742643125981413447/743780492737904690/2020-08-13_04-04-26_Off.png
gaunt star
the image?
yes
idk i didnt put thought into it ale
alex*
he lost his aether as a primal he said his last words and poof
placid sail
he empowered himself by invoking those ancient memories in people
gaunt star
yes
placid sail
vice versa
as the last shreds of the Ancients leak out of the world and out of people further and further
maybe that causes his form to slowly fade away over the years as well
maybe that is why he is having trouble holding onto his memories
gaunt star
he was so obsessed on his goal and ambitions that were set upon him that he forgot the person he made the promise to and what he promised but yeah maybe thats a possibility too
or has a part in that
regardless he had to die to wake up
Is anyone else somewhat worried about the finality they keep ascribing to the story this patch though? "The final chapter of this star" and stuff like that... and how they keep trying some of the other games potential major storylines into the Hydaelyn v Zodiark storyline (like they did in Stormblood with the Empire, and are furthering that now with Zenos re-taking control of the empire)
thats
the conclusion of Hydaelyn vs Zodiark
not the game ending
Yes, but what stories short of going to even more worlds are they planning, cause as I said, they keep trying other major stories to this one
Like, the empire could have been it's whole own arc, but they tied to that to Emet and now are putting it's story crux with Zenos and the H v Z story
With Zenos recliaming the empire
the empire will probably be its own whole arc in 6.0
as one of the last lines say we are going at his doorstep
placid sail
we've known for a while that we are nearing the end of the current story arc
gaunt star
yeah
placid sail
after 6.0 there'll be another story arc
gaunt star
Yes, my worries is what story arc is AFTER
placid sail
meh, you know
gaunt star
idk man
Because I sure as hell dont wanna go to yet another shard. I wanna stay on the source.
placid sail
it might suck
gaunt star
the possibilities are huge
placid sail
but I'm glad that they're giving us closure for this arc
placid sail
if the next one sucks I'll stop playing
they've got plenty of stuff left to work with
on the Source alone there are so many areas and continents we haven't been to yet
gaunt star
from a bussiness perspective XIV funds game development of other games
placid sail
and there are still several other reflections
gaunt star
and XIV is in a really good spot atm
releasing a 'final expansion' or something wont be for the best of the game
or the company xdd
placid sail
back when Stormblood came out, Yoshida made some vague comments about that he had to make a decision soon between two options for the next expansion
either focus on the empire, or on another cosmic threat first
gaunt star
I want an expac dedicated wholey to Hingashi
Not 6.0, but eventually.
cosmic threat was the better choise
it answered questions ppl had since ARR
placid sail
there are also the things we have learned about the universe recently
gaunt star
Well they are clearly setting up we will have to deal with the 'Final Days' stuff that the Ancients did
placid sail
light and darkness are just aspects to be used, and both of them are dangerous
gaunt star
also bozja is one of the ways Yoshida wants to show moreof the empire
which isnt a bad thing
placid sail
and we don't know exactly what caused the Final Days
fluid basalt
guess the empire is relegated to side contents and we will never go there for msq
gaunt star
and since the unsundered are gone
placid sail
what makes you think that?
placid sail
5.3 literally ended with G'raha saying that we were going into the empire next
signal solar
7.0
gaunt star
All we know about the Final Days is that there was a strange sound followed by uncontrollable creation magics fueled by fear and nightmares, and it slowly spread throughout the world.
what do you understand
when it says we are going to his doorstep @fluid basalt
doorstep may not be garlemald itself
but ilsabard or w/e called
the region garlemald is located
signal solar
ilsabard
gaunt star
yeah fk garleans idc how its typed
placid sail
the way I see it we have three options
gaunt star
On the source at least we still have Ilsabard, Thavnair, Hingasi, and Nangxia
but its as plain as day lol
We also have the South Sea Islands they could use
what are u going to do at thavnair?
its just ppl dancing.
signal solar
meracydia
placid sail
we go to Werlyt, Thavnair or Dalmasca next, and from there we enter the Empire itself
gaunt star
i wanna explore the other shards tbh
steep cape
final days were because the ancients exploited the planet for their creation magic too much right
gaunt star
we dont know
Thavnair is the home of dancing, the greatest alchemists, and is a major trade nation whose trading power is so great that they basically got Garlemald to fuck off by paying them
placid sail
and since the trials focus on Werlyt and the raids/relic on Dalmasca and Bozja, I think Thavnair is the most obvious choice for the MSQ
signal solar
there was a sound
turbid aspen
the heroes gauntlet had a miqo samurai that means one of the reflections has weeb cats
signal solar
the sound scared everyone
placid sail
they heard a terrible sound from the star itself, that started the downward spiral
gaunt star
even elidibus didnt know what caused it probably and he was the final witness
signal solar
then people started imagining what the sound could have been
placid sail
they lost control of their creation magic, it conjured terrible creatures, those creatures caused them to lose further control
steep cape
wasnt it implied from the amaurot dungeon or sth
gaunt star
Green, the point was that after the sound the ancients could no longer control the magic itself
and then rest in shards
signal solar
yes
placid sail
we're viewing Amaurot through the eyes of Emet-Selch
gaunt star
Something caused them to lose control of the magic and the laws of reality started to break apart. Thus, Zodiark.
gaunt star
man im still shocked over fandaniel
placid sail
he just shows us what he remembers
steep cape
aether weird
planet go aaaaa
creation magic from aether goes weird
signal solar
he can do whatever he wants now
placid sail
I'm a bit nervous about what other ascians are still out there who are also happy they're no longer bound
and what they're going to do
signal solar
not restriced by the lofty goals of the unsundered
gaunt star
I mean, we gotta remember that all of the unsundered are gone. So this Fandaniel is only a fraction of an ancient. And probably didnt like getting railroaded into this plan of reviving the past
As they themselves say, they'd rather live int he present
Fandaniel is still a member of the convocation tho
half tendon
so you're telling me i can suplex Fandaniel and get no guilt for killing someone who just wants to see their family again
AND i get to kick the shit out of Asahi?
gaunt star
Yes
half tendon
I've always wanted a new punching bag for my FC house
steep cape
current fandaniel mightnt necessarily be final days fandaniel
gaunt star
Fandaniel is just a gold-diggin hoe who wants.. something. Chaos, probably, for the lulz
At least going by his ravings.
We wont really know more til we get more cutscenes or interact with them
half tendon
Anyway wrt "baby elidibus"
steep cape
i mean the smol ascians sure didnt join because of sth they never knew
half tendon
i'm kinda leaning into it? based on how consistently small he is depicted compared to other Ancients
with the lower camera and the tiny model at the end
Especially given that we just saw an ancient five seconds ago and he was FUCKHUEG
And additionally (But i can't confirm this) apparently in the japanese version his VA speaks in a different pitch during that ending monologue?
gaunt star
Elidibus/Emet/LahabreaD/Igeyorhm/Mitron/ Emmerololth/Nabriales/Loghrif are dead 
Pashtator is probably still alive
Pashtarot**
half tendon
There's no reason to expect pashtarot is dead
We saw him in... arr patch quests i think?
and he's not shown up since
half tendon
but unless gaius is liek "oh yeah i fucking MURKED that guy" we have no reason to think he's dead
gaunt star
and theres 2 overlords gaius killed
signal solar
gaius has 2 red mask
gaunt star
halmarut and deudaphalon probably
gaunt star
yes
half tendon
does he even know that they can walk it off?
gaunt star
yes
half tendon
... how the fuck'd he do that
half tendon
he's just had the heart of sabik in his pocket the whole time
gaunt star
maybe he has a fragment of it
gaunt star
but theres no reason to doubt he cant kill ascians
signal solar
sabik is an auracite
half tendon
au where gaius just gets sick of lahabrea's shit in prae and feeds him to the heart of sabik
turbid aspen
gaius terminus est'd those bitches
gaunt star
i still dont hate elidibus feelsbadman
signal solar
so we only have 3 convocation ascians left
half tendon
it's genuinely hard to hate elidibus imho
gaunt star
was Altima even mentioned one bit ingame?
carmine basin
I think she spoke? in that ARR scene
half tendon
i think she showed up once?
gaunt star
lel
half tendon
she was too strong, they had to hide her for the rest of the game
signal solar
no reason to suspect Altima is dead
half tendon
or else she would've owned us
gaunt star
we can assume shes on another shard or something with pashtarot i suppose
half tendon
IGEYWORM
gaunt star
I felt bad for Igeyorhm
half tendon
IGEYWORM
carmine basin
Idk how to spell their names
signal solar
i gey worm
carmine basin
Fuck their latin names
gaunt star
she fucked up the 13th shard and since then she became a bish
half tendon
CAN SOMEONE GET ME A PICTURE OF IGEYORHM'S MASK
signal solar
signal solar
igeyorhm has lightning hairstyle
gaunt star
u can say shes an evil Lightning
signal solar
igeyorhm destroyed the thirteenth
half tendon
igeyworm
signal solar
coincidence?
gaunt star
everyone who did heavensward has
fluid basalt
we should rescue the 13 next. would tie quite a few hooks still unresolved with unuk, gaia, everything void-related etc
carmine basin
gaunt star
yeah and fight the Cloud of Darkness
signal solar
gaia isnt from 13th
gaunt star
again
half tendon
just casually unmake hell
gaunt star
gaia is from the First
shut burrow
She's from Eulmore
signal solar
is
shut burrow
Is she actually the Oracle of Darkness 
signal solar
its basically the stand Hey Ya from SBR
shut burrow
Plot twist Zodiark is actually Ultimecia
gaunt star
she summoned her Hammer by calling upon the darkness
so obviously
the symbol we fight in eden
half tendon
GAIA AND HER STAND: HEY YA
shut burrow
Not to mention the 2nd boss Voidwalker looks kind've like a teeny tiny bit like that one witch in ff8
Whats Ultimecia's emblem
signal solar
the tiny little vase thing
shut burrow
You talking about the idol of darkness
gaunt star
shut burrow
Omg wait it does
wary pond
like edea
signal solar
or are they
gaunt star
they are not
signal solar
:vsauce music:
gaunt star
cease
wary pond
i dont see us fight ultimecia twice
gaunt star
Once as Gaia and once as herself is kinda possible
shut burrow
Maybe it's two phases
gaunt star
that way id probably see it as
shut burrow
Or maybe even three
steep cape
it's not eden if you don't have gaia as a boss in there somewhere
gaunt star
Gaia(Ultimecia)>Greiver>Ultimecia
shut burrow
One with Gaia being posessed and then Griever and Ultimecia and then Ultimecia's final form in ff8
shut burrow
I mean as in phases
gaunt star
ah yea i guess
plus they could do something original on their own with the 2nd phrase of E12
generally 4 bosses
u can guess 3
but the 4th would be what xdd
shut burrow
🤷♀️
shut burrow
We saw a little bit of Gaia's fighting abillity in Voidwalker and at the end of Eden Refulgence
gaunt star
Primeception
shut burrow
Eden Beta
gaunt star
inb4 ryne misses thancred
gaunt star
so she summons a thancred primal
shut burrow
Because Squall is kind've like Thancred and they both have gunblades
swift kraken
gaunt star
what
shut burrow
Blinks
swift kraken
is gunblades an euphemism
shut burrow
RATATATATATA
wary pond
E12S gnb is glass lionheart
shut burrow
jUST IMagine Squall 😭
gaunt star
inb4 E12 boss is the huge eden itself
shut burrow
They even have simillar hairstyles
swift kraken
well that would be cool
gaunt star
oh i forgot
shut burrow
We make Eden fire Ultimecia into the galaxy thing
swift kraken
but yeah that
gaunt star
eden can travel between shards
swift kraken
we fought mini eden already
shut burrow
Wait can it actually
swift kraken
...with gianteden
shut burrow
👀
gaunt star
yes it can
teal geyser
Eden has never been shown to be able to go between shards
swift kraken
just park in mor dhona
shut burrow
Beep beep
shut burrow
Gaia and Ryne have tea with Y'shtola
gaunt star
let me think of ways to make the story relevant
swift kraken
im just thinking of edens parking spac
gaunt star
i mean ppl think Asahi is an Ascian
swift kraken
hes a big boy after all
gaunt star
and not possesed
shut burrow
I mean Eden is really story relevant already
swift kraken
absolute unit
gaunt star
so eh
shut burrow
Asahi is not an ascian he's a frick boy
shut burrow
A whole different type of person
swift kraken
gaunt star
honestly having an Ascian posses Asahi is bad for fandaniel
everyone wants to punch Asahi in the face
and a paranoid ascian is using his body
shut burrow
I hope Altima won't possess Suyu's body 😭
gaunt star
its basically begging to die
swift kraken
asahi redemption arc kappapride
wary pond
tbh ferdiand and asahi share the same crazy face reactions
shut burrow
No Asahi die
shut burrow
Wait really
swift kraken
yeh
shut burrow
😭
swift kraken
she dissolved
shut burrow
Wait that's actully good
Imagine Fandaniel possessing Yotsuyu and then turning into Tsukuyomi
I owuld cry
subtle pasture
I don’t thiiiink her body vanished? I mostly recall her hair returned to normal when she died-died, no?
swift kraken
didnt she turn into dust
shut burrow
Her hair went white
signal solar
he hair turned white
shut burrow
TRue
wary pond
yotsuyu aged to 70 when she became primal for 10 mins
gaunt star
oh nvm
gaunt star
she actually reverted back to normal
shut burrow
😭
gaunt star
and didnt go poof
shut burrow
She ddn't turn into dust
signal solar
ysayle had prayer behind her
swift kraken
pain
signal solar
tsuyu didnt
shut burrow
Oh
subtle pasture
Her soul- and the essence that had been warped into Tsukuyomi- returned to the aether, but left her body behind
—yee
shut burrow
I hope an ascian won't possess her body
subtle pasture
Tsuyu deserved a kinder fate, but, yeah, woulda been a disservice to Yotsuyu’s victims if so
shut burrow
I think her death should stay that way
subtle pasture
That is, quite what I just said
gaunt star
and to think most of everyone she wanted Asahi to die not her parents
tho her parents whored her out etc
half tendon
yeah but have you met asahi
austere raptor
Why do people call WoL's Ultimate Crossover attack an LB4?
gaunt star
ive done ARR-ShB 4 times
subtle pasture
Yeah the Brutus family really earned their fates
half tendon
Because... he fills 4 limit break bars
gaunt star
^
half tendon
did you not watch him do it
gaunt star
its not even a small bar either xd
subtle pasture
It’s prob especially infuriating to wonder how much of their fortune might have been derived from her...
...profits
austere raptor
Where do you see his limit break bars lol
rain onyx
Above his head
gaunt star
above his name
austere raptor
I was tanking and just focused on using my own lb3 on time
half tendon
gaunt star
Fair, i missed some stuff the first time cause seeing emet fucked me.up
austere raptor
Is it 99% max hp after tank lb3?
wary pond
yes
gaunt star
yes
subtle pasture
Caster LB5: Death but it has a 50% success rate
half tendon
SAM LB5: Doom Of The Living Dead
austere raptor
I'm so sad GNB lb3 is kinda meh compared to the other tank LBs
gaunt star
atleast GNB is overall more fun
austere raptor
It's just a barrier for a split second, a big one, but very short
subtle pasture
Oh so I don’t even have to mitigate further from full so I
austere raptor
Gnb best dps therefore gnb best tank
wary pond
as long ppl topped + lb3 is enough
gaunt star
look fam
subtle pasture
Name checks out
gaunt star
if i cared about dps i wouldnt be playing xiv
austere raptor
Continuation is the best shit ever
shut burrow
Red mage is red mage
gaunt star
im not a dpswhore
steep cape
red mage go veeer
austere raptor
Who's Necromancer
gaunt star
the second boss in the new dungeon
austere raptor
The puppets bunker boss?
steep cape
gauntlet
subtle pasture
I prefer clearing and clearing well but I pug everything so I’d rather not watch the left side of the field wipe bc that SCH refuses to spare a single aetherflow to spot heal
steep cape
2nd boss
austere raptor
Oh
steep cape
has grabby explosive zombies as mechanic
austere raptor
Oh that one
gaunt star
meanwhile they have fandaniels model in
and unmasked Elidibus
in the name of Azphel
subtle pasture
She can raise me anytime 
austere raptor
Unmasked elidibus what
gaunt star
yes
austere raptor
Where do you ever see that
subtle pasture
Azphel?
subtle pasture
^
signal solar
ff6 i believe
gaunt star
tactics has an Elidibus too
signal solar
oh yeah that too
rain onyx
I remember someone saying FFXII
subtle pasture
It's Ivalice, yeah
Well, Altima, technically still
it was a diff translation for Ultima in Tactics
gaunt star
Elidibus, also known as Elidibs, is a legendary wizard said to be a hero of the Fifty Years' War. He possesses the thirteenth auricite and can transform into a Lucavi demon using its power. He's an optional boss who comes between the fights with Addrammelech and Hashmal.
subtle pasture
back in the day
fluid basalt
where's venat
subtle pasture
Oh I think Squall and I were more like "???? Azphel???"
subtle pasture
but just a reference, nvm
What if the Twelve was a Venat that Hydaelyn sundered into 12, uh,
something.
primal's primal's primal
fluid basalt
but azeyma is azem
fluid basalt
just like the rest of the convocation
gaunt star
'If asked, Urianger also speculates that they may have been the source of the legends attributed to Azeyma and the Dawn Father, Azim, due to a connection to light and the sun.'
thats related to Azem^
fluid basalt
perhaps we'll meet our nhaama one day
subtle pasture
No what Urianger says is he's noticed peculiar similarities in the names, that's all
carmine basin
Yeah
wary pond
your nahaama is in eternal bonding
austere raptor
Sadu is my nhaama
fluid basalt
temulun hinted at azem even back in stormblood
subtle pasture
Huh
gaunt star
did u know that when we started ShB the forest area we fell it is called Forest of the Lord Shepherd?
austere raptor
Ye
gaunt star
in*
wary pond
lost
gaunt star
hints all over the place man
subtle pasture
I really don't think it's that deep. Also consider we had a carriage rider get eaten in that forst, too
A lost shepherd, so-to-speak
gaunt star
ure not deep
and he wasnt lost
he was a merchant
traveling
the only person lost there was us xd
subtle pasture
Lost as in he ded
gaunt star
i doubt
wary pond
lost was forest name
subtle pasture
I'm saying it has as much grounds as "IT WAS ALWAYS AZEM" 
austere raptor
Isn't that merchant the same guy we meet at the very start of the game in ARR
In the carriage
carmine basin
subtle pasture
It's a nod to 'im, yeah
On reading that again I realize they are just more symbolic ways to speak of the Sun,
the travelling star, leading the others,
carmine basin
Our job is actually to travel right?
gaunt star
yes
carmine basin
Unlike others who stay in the office
carmine basin
Very much like WoL
shut burrow
THE SUN GOES THROUGH THE CONSTELLATIONS
carmine basin
Let me grab the quote from Alisaie
shut burrow
THE CONSTELALTIONS REPRESENT THE CONVOCADOGROTLERIE
gaunt star
what.
shut burrow
Hythlodaeus litteraly says she or he depending on your gender I'm pretty sure
Blinks.
spare warren
subtle pasture
"The sun goes through every constellation"
carmine basin
Taking this as an invitation, Alisaie gave vent to her frustration. "Isn't that the truth! If she's not cheating death with her fellow adventurers, you can be sure she's off helping the beast tribes, or collecting tomestones, or regaling the children of Idyllshire with the tales of her exploits, or delivering something to someone. Honestly, I don't think she sleeps."
shut burrow
I meant it as SYMBOLISMsdmMDSmdsdmldg.dfd
gaunt star
yeah venus
austere raptor
Oh is it dependant on your gender? I was actually very curious about that
shut burrow
Is it
carmine basin
Yes
gaunt star
it does
austere raptor
That's a bit weird then, they can't show us Azem because their gender isn't canonical
austere raptor
As a faceless amaurotine sure
shut burrow
Why did Emet Selch have a grey mask in that cutscene
subtle pasture
But yeah, one of my issues w/ "Hades' friend (us) being the 14th" was, well, why wouldn't they have known of Hades' ascension to Emet-Selch, wouldn't they have been at the meeting?
gaunt star
Azem is whatever gender u play as
carmine basin
Oh yeah
gaunt star
obviously we were doing our job
austere raptor
The 14th was basically the world's first adventurer
gaunt star
something the convocation failed at doing their own
carmine basin
We speculated it's because she rose to the position after Hades
gaunt star
shut burrow
I wonder if there's any correlation to the actual convocation and to the myths in ivalice
gaunt star
Also on 5.0s tales hythlo asked hades if he told us that he accepted to join the convocation
shut burrow
Someone with the echo could've remembered the final days and put it as a myth in ivalice and then boom scions of light and darkness
Though they probably don'
I can dream 😭
empty moss
all i see when i see "Azem " is Atem
gaunt star
chill out yugi
carmine basin
empty moss
lol
subtle pasture
Yeah, the reason Azem wouldn't have known yet, and had to be told by messenger and/or gossip, was bc they were just,
out and about
as Azem does
gaunt star
also for the first time in a while FFXIV pahes are trending on the wiki lul
pages*
Ascian/Graha Tia/Elidibus xddd
subtle pasture
Also that Hythlo's follow-up to it was "Want me to find them? Would take but a moment."
wary pond
tbh shb story kinda puzzling
gaunt star
how lol
stable island
Hmm.....
You know, i was kinda surprised that Emet-Selch just wanted to create a crystal for Azem and wanted to stop Elidibus.
He was an hidden ally all along.
wary pond
compared to prev expacs
subtle pasture
Honestly I do still think the Amaurotine that showed up in the trial is Hythlodaeus, acting on Hades' intentions of course.
gaunt star
Emet best friend indeed
carmine basin
Hythlodaeus: I have ilvl 900 BiS gear for you
Azem: Hello I'm here what do you need me for
subtle pasture
hence being a white mask
gaunt star
it could be possible
shut burrow
oNE BRINGS SHSADOWKL,.FD
gaunt star
Hades considered Hythlodaeus more talanted than him
on the tales
if i remember right
subtle pasture
Though, I don't know why Hythlo would promote a "You....!" and reaching out as it did from Eli?
carmine basin
This line makes me think it's Hades though
shut burrow
How did the unsundered even survive
gaunt star
they didnt
carmine basin
"Here I commit the chronicle" part is when he made the crystals
austere raptor
Shb leaves a lot of room for interpretation, I really really hope 6.0 continues the amaurotine tale and isn't stormblood 2
subtle pasture
Eli going "You...!" If it was Azem makes less sense either way, to me. Like he saw the glyph when we begin the trial
carmine basin
I want Zenos to be like Majima in yakuza kiwami
gaunt star
idk if fandaniel has anything to share tho
stable island
I don't think it is the last we saw from Elidibus you know.
I wonder, what was the true alliance of Elidibus, he was thown out of the Convocation.
gaunt star
since hes sundered
carmine basin
carmine basin
Just show up in random places and ask us to brawl
gaunt star
an awful villain
tranquil flower
Zenos Everywhere System
carmine basin
teal geyser
@carmine basin can we also talk about how when we arrived in ShB we started in the Forest if the lost Shepherd?
subtle pasture
austere raptor
Isn't fanadiel a lower tier ascian like igeyhorm or nabriales
carmine basin
Yes Cal
subtle pasture
Well he's still a red masked,
carmine basin
Also notice the title we get from clearing 5.3
subtle pasture
but a sundered one, yes
teal geyser
@austere raptor yes
gaunt star
and ppl called me mad
austere raptor
I don't understand, what is the shepherd of the stars
stable island
6.0 is indeed the conclusion of Hydealyn vs Zodiark.
You know, i think Zodiark is in Zenos now.
It is implied in 4.5 that we invade Garlemald in 6.0.
gaunt star
its confirmed in 5.3 we go to garlemald
teal geyser
I'm more confused the difference between "Shepard of the stars" and Elidibus' role as emissary
gaunt star
'at his doorstep'
austere raptor
Yeah I said that the other day as a meme, Zenos is just Zodiark
shut burrow
New shepherd job confirmed!?!?!
subtle pasture
Know what I'm even more confused by, now,
gaunt star
and since Zenos is at the palace
gaunt star
what other doorstep would it mean
shut burrow
Elidibus is the voice of convocation and Azem is the person who goes around helping people around everywhere
gaunt star
Azem refused everyone
shut burrow
Imagine Feo Ul just appearing out of no where
carmine basin
I think someone here said a good reason
gaunt star
the region garlemald is located is anything but pretty
shut burrow
And destroying Garlemald with plants
gaunt star
its snowy and awful
austere raptor
Yeah I don't see garlemald being anything other than stormblood 2
shut burrow
Omg imagine glacier cities
gaunt star
😔
tranquil flower
I love snow, shut up
carmine basin
Like what Hydaelyn's faction is doing is basically solving a problem with another problem
And they were right
gaunt star
yeah
teal geyser
Yes but according to Elidibus he too guides the convocation as well, the convocation clearly being the stars. Even if it means the world in general that's still what the convocation did @shut burrow
gaunt star
and Azem was like 'nah fam we just die'
stable island
Squall, maybe it is true?
If 6.0 is the ending if Hydealyn Vs. Zodiark, it must be true, because again, it is implied we invade garlemald in 6.0.
And you know, it does make sense if Zenos = Zodark in that case.
teal geyser
Like what Hydaelyn's faction is doing is basically solving a problem with another problem
To be fair we don't know if Hydaelyn is a problem yet
shut burrow
🤷🏻♀️
carmine basin
Seems Azem was trying to find a solution but too late
gaunt star
everyone knows its gonna be Zenodiark vs HydaelynWoL
subtle pasture
Wait wouldn't the Heart/avatar/primal Elidibus then have just really been,
a primal of Azem all along?
like, in the core purpose of his being
austere raptor
What if we were a primal all along
subtle pasture
Like I don't mean "Elidibus is Azem" I mean,
shut burrow
THAT WOULD BE IRONIC
stable island
The only way to get rid of Zenos for good is to invade Garlemald.
teal geyser
Elidibus summoned a primal version of the WoL into himself
subtle pasture
Elidibus the primal took Azem's role after we left
teal geyser
Yes
subtle pasture
Eli the Heart, rather
carmine basin
To be fair we don't know if Hydaelyn is a problem yet
@teal geyser considering Zodiark tempers people and keep asking for sacrifices, might be that Azem think Hydaelyn would do the same? Idk
forest magnet
I mean
shut burrow
A primal summoned a primal into himself
stable island
||WoL = Azem|| 😁
forest magnet
Zenos is gonna invite us to come, if anything.
austere raptor
Actually I feel like everyone with the echo basically a tempered of hydaelyn
forest magnet
that's what everythign's pointing to
gaunt star
https://i.redd.it/yeaxt21pfwg51.png @teal geyser
forest magnet
Excecpt it's not
teal geyser
@carmine basin think maybe but thinking and it being a thing are two different things
shut burrow
I'm thinking he really just used the hope from the specters to more like morph into the warrior of light
subtle pasture
Elidibus was basically a primal but his Warrior of Light was definitely a primal
forest magnet
they literally said it's not
subtle pasture
if that makes sense
shut burrow
And used light based aether or somethng
carmine basin
I guess we'd have to wait until they explain why we deserted
shut burrow
The first warrior of light
carmine basin
We disgaree with Zodiark and Hydaelyn summoning
shut burrow
I mean Elidibus is basically just a primal ascian
carmine basin
Who knows what we're up to then
shut burrow
And ascian's main power is possessing things
gaunt star
Venus Holmes
teal geyser
I'm of the opinion it was just because we couldn't fight our friends @carmine basin
subtle pasture
That was Heart!Elidibus' purpose all this time, though. He would take on prayers of salvation for the Convocation,
gaunt star
anyway
shut burrow
I wouldn't be a hard feat to morph into the Warrior of LIght with the use of hope from specters
carmine basin
That also makes sense Cal 
shut burrow
Ah thank you Sathona 😭
subtle pasture
"When you draw your strength from such a cacophony of voices..."
stable island
Calisaie, maybe Elidibus was the very first WoL. And he just awoken it as a primal.
I know it is a crazy thought.
I have the feeling not everything has been told yet.
teal geyser
No? @shut burrow
shut burrow
Idk 🤷🏻♀️
gaunt star
Elidibus became sWoL and died the end now we gonna Zenodiark vs Crystal WoL
teal geyser
@stable island except no because we LITERALLY have a cutscene of Elidibus going "nooo come back" to a person in WoL armour
austere raptor
I'm confused why we see elidibus as a child at the end though
Is it just because he's that young
shut burrow
He's a primal I don't really see the reason of summoning another primal into a primal
gaunt star
its because he was a virgin
teal geyser
Probably was sacrificed to Zodiark at that age @austere raptor
subtle pasture
That was Elidibus having a "I am angry when it not about me??"
gaunt star
lol
subtle pasture
so then just possessed the dude, no?
shut burrow
Not to mention Elidibus is a shard of Zodiark
austere raptor
Wait what happened to Ardberts corpse actually
teal geyser
@shut burrow faith reasons and also because he'd really believe in it more? Primals are aether AND faith
subtle pasture
My interpretation of the scene of him running into a WoL from behind was defintiely posession
the second flashback, or so
shut burrow
I see mk
teal geyser
@austere raptor um.... obliterated into CT I guess
gaunt star
Ardberts corpse went poof probably
austere raptor
Is it still there in the crystal tower
gaunt star
its gone
austere raptor
I was so mad about him possessing the corpse
shut burrow
I really liked the part where he did the thing with the Hooded Elidibus behind him and Ardbert speaking at the same time
subtle pasture
I forgot who
gaunt star
if u didnt ure not human
austere raptor
I didn't cry in any scene because I'm a manly man
teal geyser
My interpretation of the scene of him running into a WoL from behind was defintiely posession
I'm...going to have to strongly disagree here and I frankly have no idea how you're seeing it that way
shut burrow
I became a crying raisin
austere raptor
gaunt star
subtle pasture
The flashback where he runs into FF1 WoL while they're facing away from him?
teal geyser
Yes
austere raptor
Idk seto wasn't expanded on enough for me to really care about him
Though the scene itself was touching
subtle pasture
I definitely interpreted it as possession, I really don't see any other meaning to it
teal geyser
The fact he misses him
austere raptor
Also us having Ardbert within us is a bit weird, literally carrying his hopes with us
teal geyser
He literally does the hold out hand "don't go" cliché