Necromancy would have a really hard time working
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
unique verge
gaunt star
wraith arrow
Bruh we’ve saved the source from evil time and time again
Lemme do illegal shit now
spare warren
“I want my friends back” said the Necromancer
unique verge
I mean, sure. But unless you make it a HW-style "requires MSQ progress" job
you run into the problem of technically being able to unlock it without even doing MSQ
so at that stage you're a nobody, not a 'saved the planet repeatedly walking deus ex machina"
and people kind of hate the HW way of doing it
so i doubt they'll do that again
wraith arrow
That’s true I could play GNB and SAM before HW
unique verge
Random thought
G'raha only got offered to join the scions because they needed diversity of hair color.
untold gull
wraith arrow
unreal wadi
spare warren
You’re not wrong
unreal wadi
I mean...
unique verge
Urianger : Grey
Thancred/Yshtola/Alphinaud/Alisaie/(potentially your WoL) : White
spare warren
Scions? More like “sliver hair gang”
unique verge
Though, on the flipside
is this the equivalent of being a "red shirt"?
RIP G'raha in 5.4
torpid yoke
well lets see we have White white white whit white and silver
spare warren
stuck yarrow
His greatest mistake was removing the grey streaks in his hair
torpid yoke
never again
stuck yarrow
they are not going to do that
unique verge
You mean the broken mechanic that they wish they could get rid of
stuck yarrow
they refuse
unique verge
but its so baked in that it would be harder to remove than to leave as is?
stuck yarrow
1.0 code isn't the problem with that
torpid yoke
sphagetti
unique verge
I mean its not directly 1.0 code
More like 1.0-influenced design and 2.0's attempt to replicate it
torpid yoke
yea
gaunt star
Me white hair? Impossible 
torpid yoke
plus i feel like if they did it now it'd be kinda awkward for those who are lv 80 with mrd already since ber would jump immediately to that level
unique verge
That also would be weird, yes
torpid yoke
Either way i dont want another melee dps until we get 4 real caster dps and 4 real range phy dps
stuck yarrow
MNK is a limited job
torpid yoke
Shoot you rite my bad
one day maybe it will become a real one
i'd be down with necromancer though if they could find a roundabout way of doing it without it being necromancer :D
wraith arrow
Leave monk alone
Its not the jobs fault Yoshi pee pee treats it like the red haired step child
unreal wadi
There are a lot of players that do play monk as their main class
torpid yoke
I actually enjoy mnk post 70
unreal wadi
there's even a vtuber that mains monk in savage/ex content
stuck yarrow
call it death mage or smth
unreal wadi
It's hard, but its not impossible
torpid yoke
what would the death mage do?
wraith arrow
Die
torpid yoke
thats what drg is for
wraith arrow
I’ve seen more dead red mages then dragoon
shrewd cypress
hey guys am i supposed to care about these orphans in the weapon quests
torpid yoke
what if gaia is a necromancer and the reason they took all the time stuff away from ast is to give it to necromancer
jovial marsh
wait this line is this talking about Azem or Hydaelynn
torpid yoke
I mean if you want to you can. They are gaius's family
torpid yoke
hydaelynn
shrewd cypress
hydaelyn of course
torpid yoke
it cant be from eden its too dark
stuck yarrow
no way garuda would know about azem lol
wraith arrow
hey guys am i supposed to care about these orphans in the weapon quests
@shrewd cypress nope
I applauded when they disappeared off my screen
shrewd cypress
We're a fragmented soul of Azem or something, garuda's talking about the fact that she can sense that you're touched by hydaelyn
jovial marsh
well i'm just questioning everything while playing on this alt >.>
see how far back they forshadow stuff
torpid yoke
i think thats a little too far back
stuck yarrow
hmm
well hey, tataru has yet to bite it, so there's hope for G'raha yet
torpid yoke
and by too far back i mean 2.0 content is
Now i want the stuff gaia can do as a job :<
stuck yarrow
mage class but the auto attacks do more than 50 damage
unique verge
The "gaia job" is far more likely than Necro/Bers
since it apparently has a name already
shrewd cypress
lol the guy threw a cup at his head
jovial marsh
i wonder when garuda caused ifrit and titan to be summoned was she going to try to fuse with them before the ultimate weapon got in the way?
torpid yoke
my head canon shall be that gaia is 14's version of a non taboo necromancer (not really though honestly never thought of having it as a job before this dungeon but now want it in some way)
forest magnet
gaia isn't really a necromancer tho
unique verge
I just dont think its an accident that they gave her a weapon type that nobody uses
if anything i think she's the job preview
torpid yoke
i know she's not
jovial marsh
does any class even use a hammer?
she was probably just bringing the hammer of darkness againest the shield of light like Lahabread said
sterile galleon
Chemist and Necromancer, hmmm...
jovial marsh
well chemist is hinted at because of the little girl wanting to throw potions at people to heal them
sterile galleon
How would necromancer be abbreviated anyway
NCR?
Could be cool, depending on how they execute its fantasy and theme
jovial marsh
if they wanted to confuse people Chemist would be CST XD
radiant badger
So yeah, there's something to monkaS about
sterile galleon
Probably CHM
radiant badger
Double Scholar vs True Living Dead
torpid yoke
easy double indom and emergency tactics
jovial marsh
double astro vs true living dead
sterile galleon
If anything, Necro would give RDM a run for its money
torpid yoke
how so?
jovial marsh
could be another rezmage
because bringing people back from the dead is kind of ther thing
torpid yoke
just make it not have a combat raise
sterile galleon
One does not simply make a Necro that doesn't raise the dead
tough fern
hey guys am i supposed to care about these orphans in the weapon quests
@shrewd cypress
Yep
torpid yoke
and the people who fall in in fights arnt really dead they just incapacitated. Raise is just a very potent healing magic
brazen stag
Gaia is just Mystic Knight/Sorceror but with a cooler weapon.
shrewd cypress
omg what sad orphans they have no parents :'(((((
grand parcel
this coat makes me look like Neo from the Matrix...
shrewd cypress
gayus took him in and now they're dying oh noe
tough fern
Mainly we're meant to be concerned about Allie because creepy legatus has plans for her
grand parcel
at the same time, fuck this coat is SO GOOD
rain onyx
The dumb thing about them is how color coordinated they felt they had to be for their weapons
torpid yoke
Shower thoughts i want a caster that has a range weapon like HW Range physical QuQ
rain onyx
Not even something semi-subtle like earrings/necklaces/hair highlights
torpid yoke
I mean it wont happen because they would have an edge with range autos
shrewd cypress
but green hair piloted the sapphire weapon
rain onyx
Because he convinced the original pilot with blue hair that he should
tough fern
He told his bro that Alfonse and their sister will need him
thin crypt
when the exarch starts to suck out all the Flood of Light in you
tough fern
Even though Alfonse is about to be punished
And the sister has been taken by the creepy legatus
rain onyx
“Step bro don’t do this”
tough fern
So much for needing him
frozen spade
nah that pic is when you nut from all your overmelds succeeding on the first try.
brazen stag
The only caster firearm I will accept is RPG. "Wand of destruction".
torpid yoke
honestly i want mch weapon to change to the auto crossbow and give another job the gun but it's too late now
brazen stag
I mean, wizards and Rocket Propelled Grenades were always meant to be. I mean just look at the most common genre for wizards, Role Playing Game. It must be fate.
Chemist always deserved the gun.
Make Chemist into Chirurgeon and bring back split role jobs like Arcanist<Scholar-Summoner
I guess there's no magitek medicus who I could see as a prototype for such a job though. Is there?
Maybe someone in the next _Weapon stuff?
Yo someone spoiler Sapphire for me was Regula the combat data?
turbid aspen
yes
brazen stag
Cool. That dude was taken from us too soon.
stuck yarrow
Didn't Nomura insist on the hammer for Gaia?
turbid aspen
shepherd of the stars
forest magnet
yea that
brazen stag
Surely there is a Shepherd constellation?
torpid yoke
(Thats where we first end up in the first btw)
forest magnet
@brazen stag there isn't in the official 88
there's some random ones in there though
there's an air pump constellation
and one about a poop deck
brazen stag
How could that be? Like, aren't most constellations observed by people bored out of their minds looking at the night sky in open fields trying to see shapes familiar to them? That's right up a shepherd's alley!
forest magnet
well i found it interesting because i didn't really think of us as a shepard, tbh
brazen stag
Aha! There's a shepherd's crook constellation!
forest magnet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boötes
here's one I missed
bootes
but it's odd
actually probably not odd
brazen stag
Yo while we're on the topic of stars in this patch... so we're done with Elidibus the ol' snake bearer but what about our forgotten young charge amongst the Scions, that Elidibus-raised failed champion of the 13th shard?
jovial marsh
what i wanna do is walk up to someone on the steppe and whenever someone says thank the dawn father for this gift go your welcome XD
unukalhai has new dialogue
peak rune
@brazen stag I'm curious about him too
forest magnet
yes we know
brazen stag
!
jovial marsh
he has new dialogue though
brazen stag
Yeah he's still bugging me to do warring triad extreme or whatever it is an I'm like "no bruh I can't do anything that requires coherent thought or, twelve forfend, practice"
forest magnet
nothing new though
carmine basin
Then another one for 5.3
untold gull
he talks about elidibus being dead
brazen stag
I remember he had new dialogue at the end of Stormblood going into Shadowbringers but now I really wanna know what he says about Elidibus
jovial marsh
he also said hes torn over the fact as well
brazen stag
Nice. If I had to guess, probably because he had some xanatos gambit in the works had Emet not failed to bring the first into calamity, where they could have somehow used Unukalhai as the blessed of the 13th to undo the fuckup of Igeyorhm using light borrowed from the 1st.
But given the recent revelations about Elidibus and his relation to the council, probably more just a whim of sentiment since Elidibus must have seen something of his own situation in Unukalhai.
A lotta pressure for a child.
forest magnet
why would u put a child on the convocation anyway
brazen stag
They're more malleable?
forest magnet
that's the point
why would u put a kid who barely lived in comparison to be put on the ruling body of the Ancients
and u saw what happened.
he became obsessed with his work because he didn't know better
brazen stag
I feel like whoever wrote Unukalhai into the plot had no idea where they would be going in Shadowbringers and originally intended him to betray the Scions for Elidibus and be swayed back to the Scions by us.
Since he's named after the eye of the snake.
The snake being Zodiark/Serpentus
Like a spy, although he kinda never made it a secret to us that he was beholden to Elidibus so meh.
Weird how a child ancient is still well within the right of their lifetime experience to treat sundered mortals as children as Elidibus does, although knowing he's very young by ancient standards does make him seem all the more, erm, posturing.
next oriole
for SoS extreme, there are 5 elements, earth, dark, light, fire and ice, right?
earth = cone
dark = thundergod dusk thing
light = stack up
fire and ice = don't move and move, right?
brazen stag
I'm not sure but that checks to me.
next oriole
what are the meteor things again that we move to the very edge of inter cards?
rustic kestrel
LB3
rustic kestrel
LB3 is meteors, LB2 is healer line stacks, LB1 is t+h+d cones
frozen spade
earth - spread to your clock position
light - stack together
fire - don't do anything while under the debuff
ice - keep moving
LB 3 targets either DPS or Healer & Tanks
LB 2 targets both healers (linear AoE stack)
LB 1 target 1 dps, 1 healer, & 1 tank
next oriole
what's t+h+d cones
next oriole
oh right, that thing from furor?
next oriole
so lb3 = meteors and that big 4 circle from normal mode?
next oriole
so, where the tgc dusk from?
summer trellis
this channel is free to discuss all spoiler stuff right?
next oriole
ye?
summer trellis
https://youtu.be/F7VvMxkExnk?t=1615 i KNOW i know this song from another FF game... but i cant place which one, or the name of the song and its been driving me nuts for like two hours.
Relevant time-stamp included in link: 26:55
jovial marsh
why do we see the starshower so many times in arr i wonder
carmine basin
We don't really see it in ARR?
Unless you mean the ones falling by on the sky occasionally
Also kierwynn it sounds similar to me too ><
I'm trying out FF3 theme but not finding one so far
echo orbit
https://youtu.be/F7VvMxkExnk?t=1615 i KNOW i know this song from another FF game... but i cant place which one, or the name of the song and its been driving me nuts for like two hours.
Relevant time-stamp included in link: 26:55
@summer trellis sounds like ff8
summer trellis
any idea what song? ive been going through every soundtrack i have and cant find it, but i dont have 8s
jovial marsh
yeah we do we see a starshower atleast twice in cutscenes each time it happens before hydaelynn talks to us
echo orbit
it's very similar to balamb garden
half tendon
the phase transition in SoS be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NYtWkjfgec
echo orbit
any idea what song? ive been going through every soundtrack i have and cant find it, but i dont have 8s
@summer trellis where i belong, as well
still feels like they might all be calling back to something in 6 tho
golden hinge
only just finished the dungeon and man is elidibus deluded
"you should have let my friends kill all of you"
is what he's saying
echo orbit
the notes that matches at this point:
https://youtu.be/PsFZMl3i3ZA?list=PLtfx2ncino2SUM9pKbZ6DlKSygSmna8jU&t=116
summer trellis
hmm i dont think thats quite it... its close/similar.
echo orbit
yeah that's why i think it's referencing something older
but i don't feel like going through 6's OST to find if it's in there
summer trellis
i never played 6, so i know i dont recognize it from there
part of me really thinks its 7 9 or 10 though.
but they reuse a lot of motifs so its hard to track down exactly which one it could be from
echo orbit
yeah that particular motif's in balamb garden, ami, and where i belong
carmine basin
Might be a FFXIV original too
echo orbit
too similar
echo orbit
yeah a further review makes me think that bit is just the ffxiv rendition of "Ami" from FF8
couldn't find an earlier version of it
echo orbit
And it makes sense, "Friends"
half tendon
@stuck yarrow
stuck yarrow
That’s fair
echo orbit
but they reuse a lot of motifs so its hard to track down exactly which one it could be from
@summer trellis And it's used in the cutscene at the end of refulgence, so yeah, definitely FF8
stuck yarrow
But c’mon them prancing around in those outfits would be hilarious
summer trellis
@echo orbit i never played 8 so i dont know it from there
half tendon
you put either of the twins in a stripper outfit and i put you in a white auracite
summer trellis
and every song ive listened to from 8 isnt matching for me. i know the song from somewhere else, in the same instrument. every song from 8 sounds totally different/processed
stuck yarrow
You’d think putting in the trouble to level them up all the way would at least grant you all their costumes
echo orbit
stuck yarrow
Blame the character designer for drawing them in them
summer trellis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWvBP7dUxZ0&feature=youtu.be this is the song im talking about
stuck yarrow
Seriously what were they thinking with those outfits lmao
echo orbit
so ree
carmine basin
CT is from FF3 so if it's a reference to other FF game it would be FF3
And it has a few songs that would fit that moment
So might be FFXIV original that just sounds similar to another song
I find it similar to an indonesian song myself
Datamines might have the music name in the files
Just don't post the music 
summer trellis
I guess that's possible but I don't know anyone who dated mines
half tendon
this mf said dated mines
summer trellis
At this point I'm just hoping YouTube copyright strikes the video I posted that way they tell me what the song name is
@half tendon sorry I use a voice to text feature
half tendon
understandable, have a nice day
forest magnet
did that fake equinox imdb credits get taken down yet
brazen stag
No children of mine are going through the trust system with thotglams.
That includes you, G'raha!
torpid yoke
i want a job that uses a weapon like garlands in Dissidia NT man. His weapon is so cool. Maybe for a berserker Kappa
ember gate
Anyone work out where we get the old alphinaud gear?
ember gate
Okay
lusty shadowBOT
Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.
carmine basin
His has some changes but this looks similar
neat edge
oh there is an alphinaud outfit, in the game files. Fit my body like it was designed for players too
(rising reward??) who knows
(but feels like mogstation)
torpid yoke
that'd kinda be a disappointing reward to some
neat edge
it was the heavensward outfit i believe
stuck yarrow
you'd think if they were planning on it they would've done it by now
neat edge
no wait, it had the holes in it,
stuck yarrow
the other scions had their ARR outfits added years ago
untold gull
untold gull
WoL himself is also three tanks
heady shadow
doesnt the OG WoL have mostly every ability a FF class has had?
stuck yarrow
ever think about how ardbert's party has two tanks?
half tendon
"You wave to the Warrior of Light. You gently pat the Warrior of Light. You are defeated by the Warrior of Light."
zenos be like
stable kelp
Can someone explain how the WoL is Azem? How do we know? I keep seeing it on the sub but I don't get it. Is it because we are able to use Azem's crystal?
hardy rivet
hytlhlodeus and emet recognize you. its kinda somewhat obvious, especially with this patch
stable kelp
The crystals we found in Amaurot belonged to the Convocation, I get that. And the last one belongs to Azem, who was sent to see the world.
heady shadow
Emet created Azem's crystal and it can only be used by Azem
just like emets crystal can only be used my him
stable kelp
Was Azem the very first WoL? Or the basis of him/her?
heady shadow
and so on
hardy rivet
we are azem
untold gull
yeah, azem's the first WoL on the first
half tendon
Azem's pronouns when mentioned by hythlodaeus vary depending on character gender
stable kelp
But then wouldn't Elidibus also recognize us as now we supposedly have a more completed soul?
heady shadow
well... remember
half tendon
elidibus is like 10 cut him some slack
stuck yarrow
Elidibus doesn't have the sight
half tendon
Also that
stuck yarrow
Emet and Hythlodaeus do
turbid aspen
also as far as we know elidibus wasnt that close to our ancient self
stable kelp
And then there's the new kid on the block. Is he going to recognize us?
heady shadow
at one point all the shards were one. after the sundering they diverged.
so the legends of the WoL passed down in the history of the shards are of One person.
half tendon
Hythlodaeus was explicit in 5.0 in saying that he and emet could recognise you because they both had exceptional soul-sensing abilities
untold gull
there was that scene where elidibus came to us thinking someone was calling him. and he briefly saw an Ancient in our place
stuck yarrow
fandaniel isn't unsundered
stable kelp
Shit 5.0 was a while ago I forget some details
yeah why doesn't the source have the legend of the very first wol
turbid aspen
calamities most likely
untold gull
source has the advantage (disadvantage?) of having its history wiped cause calamities, yeah
torpid yoke
was it confirmed that azem was the first WoL?
untold gull
they all but explicitly said it
torpid yoke
where?
stable kelp
Wait now that I'm here. Why is a shade of Amaurot, a place willed into being by thought, able to produce the original crystal with one of the most powerful spells in the universe?
hardy rivet
who knows
untold gull
i think it was when we were peering into elidibus' memory
when he saw the warrior of light, he was referring to azem or something...i can't remember that scene properly
wait, it was the cutscene before he turned into the WoL
how even sundered he still does his best to help people like he used to
stable kelp
Oh hang on, maybe Emet kept it for all this time after the sundering and gave them all to Hythlo, one of his oldest and best friends ( or at least a shade of him)
untold gull
i don't think amaurot itself provided it. i think it's more part of emet's scheme. a backup for either case of winning/losing against his fight with our WoL
well, WoD
torpid yoke
i.e made it before we fought
heady shadow
well Hytho did say
their best friend made theirs in secret
best6 friend being emet
Okay Im gonna sound like an ass.... so bear with me
okay?
do you guys really READ what Hyth was saying?
untold gull
uh, sure? 
stable kelp
I think my theory does kind of make sense. Emet keeps the crystals, the last vestiges of his people's souls, to himself and gives it to a representation of his bestie
heady shadow
or... am I playing a different game xD
torpid yoke
some people dont
untold gull
no, hythlodaeus did say that
stable kelp
Ngl a lot of it kinda flew over my head
untold gull
emet made the crystal
heady shadow
because people who betray the covocation cant have one
emet goes
screw you all Im making them one anyway
untold gull
he made it and imbued it with something akin to azem's power of 'summoning the stars to his side' or something along that lines
torpid yoke
im more questioning when he made it
heady shadow
then uses it as a failsafe to help us deal with Elidibus, because emet knew the poor kid wasnt gpoing to be able to handle it all alone
untold gull
well, a literal power of friendship in any case
heady shadow
when?
stable kelp
Well a crystal is a manifestation of a person's soul right?
heady shadow
probably after the sundering if Im reading the text correctly
untold gull
long time ago, probably, right around when they were about to summon zodiark i'd say
stable kelp
And their deeds while alive
untold gull
their memory, yeah
torpid yoke
it would have to be after summoning zodiark
stable kelp
How do you make one anyway
heady shadow
good question
torpid yoke
since the main purpose of them is to raise the sundered souls into the seats
stable kelp
the job crystals are soul crystals but I forget the details
The memories of legendary heroes of ages past
Or something like that
untold gull
yeah, job crystals is imbued with their memories
heady shadow
skills and whatnot
stable kelp
Damn so basically Emet was carrying pictures of us in his pocket
heady shadow
but I dont think those are the same level as what emet gave us
untold gull
pictures of everyone
untold gull
i forgot what emet's role is in convocation
stable kelp
And now they are preserved for eternity in the Crystal Tower on the First
untold gull
the, back when they were ancient role, i mean
heady shadow
Emet selch is his role
gotte remember these are just titles
Emets rel name is Hades
torpid yoke
architect
stable kelp
So if the rest of the Ascians ever try to attempt the rejoining, that would mean the last existing memories of the first ever civilization would be destroyed
torpid yoke
Hence why it's important to have good eyes
stable kelp
Hot damn Ishikawa. You have a keen eye for storytelling
hardy rivet
... lol
heady shadow
Oda
stable kelp
You know what I did notice? After the trial where you were saying goodbye to everyone, it felt like the ending to Lotr
A REALLY LONG ending but every bit was needed to bring closure.
Yeah I'm so glad this is my first mmo and not WoW
torpid yoke
who the hell was even leaving the convocation crystals around like that anyways
stable kelp
I keep hearing how WoW keeps fucking over with retcons and shit. So glad we don't deal with that even after 3 expansions. All hail Ishikawa.
torpid yoke
i doubt elidibus was doing it
hardy rivet
the writer lol
stable kelp
Maybe Lahabrea lmao
torpid yoke
he's dead af
hardy rivet
see him every day in roulette bro
stable kelp
What about the guy in the middle of post 2.0
heady shadow
the shoebill
torpid yoke
That reminds me that elidibus must have really been close to lahabread and iggy cuz the two stones he picks up are theirs
heady shadow
the fucking bird was leaving them
stable kelp
I don't even remember his name
heady shadow
now it's chilling in the pendants
shy flax
The crystals were a gift from Emet Selch
stable kelp
Also just realized we are the 14th member in FF14
steep cape
yes
steep cape
and also the source is technically the 14th world
shy flax
If memory serves, the given explanation was that Emet foresaw Elidibus’ madness and left in his Amaurot some things to help him remember who he was
heady shadow
it probably wouldnt be bad to assume that emet kinda... dropped them from the lifestream.... since he has.... great aptitude for it.
stable kelp
The 13 shards don't include the source?
shy flax
Nay
steep cape
it's 13+1
stable kelp
Ooohhhh
steep cape
or else, the source would be the First or something
shy flax
The world was thusly divided betwixt one source and ten and three reflections
Or something like that
untold gull
yep
stable kelp
hang on let me think. If the 14 worlds are reflections, then wouldn't that mean the flood of light would be felt somewhat on the source?
torpid yoke
i can believe it was the shoebill
steep cape
._. bruh
stable kelp
It's basically a part of your original soul being consumed by light
untold gull
that was the eighth umbral calamity
torpid yoke
Idk if it's important or if yoshi P just likes trolling us with it
steep cape
yeah
untold gull
which we averted btw
heady shadow
its in our Inn room in the pendants now
untold gull
the effects of black rose was very much what a flood of light is like
untold gull
wat
heady shadow
O_O
steep cape
the flood of light made black rose worse
untold gull
it was just on the window before
stable kelp
And now we can never be completely whole again as the 13th world is now just compete darkness
heady shadow
go see
untold gull
echo orbit
flood of light is the bad ending and not what the ascians wanted
torpid yoke
it stands on your table or in the window
steep cape
also... the shoebill ate grahas sandwiches
heady shadow
it'll end up on the table eventually
steep cape
@echo orbit the 14th was the nono
the flood of light was fine
stable kelp
I still think black rose is a pretty corny name lmao
heady shadow
eh...
untold gull
heady shadow
it fits the biologinal weapon thing
echo orbit
without minfilia to stop it the 1st woulda gone the way of the 13th
heady shadow
theres worse names for things like that
steep cape
@echo orbit no, it'd just be rejoined like the rest
stable kelp
theres worse names for things like that
@heady shadow
Like covid?
heady shadow
eh...
untold gull
speaking of, now i can't wait to see what happens on eden raid
steep cape
the 13th was fukt because igeyorhm messed it up
heady shadow
they used that with every virus with the 'corona' shape dont they?
echo orbit
nah man, they needed the first to be at the edge, the flood was too much
stable kelp
Yeah
untold gull
i really gotta read up on the 13th. i forgot why it failed
steep cape
igeyohrm
torpid yoke
anything and anyone connected to the 13th fucks things up
heady shadow
and back then they didnt understand how rejoinings worked yet
steep cape
unukalhai?
torpid yoke
he killed regula
steep cape
was cylva from the 13th too
heady shadow
yes
torpid yoke
Yup
echo orbit
the whole flood of light being too much is the shadowkeeper storyline
stable kelp
People from the source are supposed to be more powerful than the first right?
heady shadow
so your saying...
heady shadow
it's our fault xD
torpid yoke
yupppp
stable kelp
Since we have more 'soul'
torpid yoke
yes
untold gull
no
heady shadow
because 8 times rejoined spirit xD
untold gull
not this again
torpid yoke
no he's on the same level as us
stable kelp
Then how tf is ranjjt so powerful wtf
torpid yoke
he's old
echo orbit
old man mojo
steep cape
we and graha have more soul
untold gull
we never did get an explanation on what the fuck he was using
steep cape
drugs
untold gull
lmao
echo orbit
far eastern martial arts
heady shadow
Eastern Magic
torpid yoke
we can assume its the firsts version of dragoon
heady shadow
He would be from.. Doma?
torpid yoke
since they never actually had dragons
stable kelp
Come to think of it when did we ever see a first use say Fire 4 or Holy
torpid yoke
Pteroslaver i think they are called
untold gull
i do hope we get to the dragon's original planet in the future
heady shadow
what is hiding in silvertear lake?>
untold gull
echo orbit
1.0's hopes and dreams
heady shadow
well.
torpid yoke
eggs
heady shadow
Yoshi already admitted to wanting to use it so....
untold gull
midgardsommr's butt?
heady shadow
need to give some reason why Middy is guarding that lake in partiucular
echo orbit
anyways it's probably lavos
steep cape
spirit butt
heady shadow
I would take Lavos
steep cape
i thought midgar was there just because he was holding that airship thing
heady shadow
no?
stable kelp
He's just chilling there to recover
stable kelp
It's like when you're in a car crash and you need to rest in a hospital
heady shadow
and he woke up and busted them up.
heady shadow
anyway yeah, He made a deal with Hydaelyn to guard the lake
when he got there
he told us this.... wy back in 2.4?
heady shadow
well...
stable kelp
you know what I want them to reuse? Remember Tiomat?
untold gull
tiamat
heady shadow
no theres Tiomat
untold gull
oh there is?
stable kelp
The chained up dragon in Azys Lla where you also never go
heady shadow
Niddys lady
steep cape
tiamat
untold gull
yeah, i thought her name is Tiamat
steep cape
tiamat and tioman
heady shadow
separent dragons
stable kelp
She might be able to take us to the dragon world
steep cape
tioman is nidhogg gf
steep cape
tiamat is nidhogg sister (?)
torpid yoke
i thought that was bahumuts lady
heady shadow
SCREEEEEEEEEEE
untold gull
the dragons are, well, ~cough
tepid agate
is there a gif somehwere (datamined or not) of the lalihop emote? wanna see how well it syncs on music
untold gull
it's nidhogg's lady.... too
steep cape
theyre different dargens
carmine basin
Tioman is Nidhogg's consort, Tiamat is Bahamut's uhh beloved?
torpid yoke
yup
stable kelp
Sister
steep cape
sister
carmine basin
They're partners too
torpid yoke
Well sister and beloved
steep cape
nidhogg bahamut tiamat and uhh
stable kelp
GoT style baby
torpid yoke
when you only have 6 dragon children you dont have much choice in the matter
stable kelp
Shiva lover
untold gull
honestly, our journey after 6.0 is probably space. they can always introduce lunar whale to the game and have it made by the same people who created omega
stable kelp
Hraesvelgr
carmine basin
Nidhogg also actually likes Ratatosk
stable kelp
Or whatever
carmine basin
That's why he's especially mad about her death
steep cape
nidhogg, incest king
untold gull
ratatoskr is like their little sister they adore
steep cape
ratatoskr, nidhogg, hraesvelgr, tiamat, bahamut
untold gull
it was more of a familial love with ratatoskr afaik
carmine basin
Iirc the DRG 80 quest reveals he loves Ratatosk
steep cape
wait werent there 7
untold gull
i thought it was just six?
carmine basin
Lemme reread and grab the quote
torpid yoke
yea
viscid monolith
7
torpid yoke
its 7
turbid aspen
theres 7 of the first brood
untold gull
oh, then who's the other two
viscid monolith
!faq firstbrood
lusty shadowBOT
untold gull
wow, there's a command for that!?
torpid yoke
the one's missing are azdja and vrtra
stable kelp
Calling it now 7.0 will take us to the dragon homeworld. 9.0 ending will have us fighting Zodiark. There is no next expansion because we will be on new MMO
viscid monolith
Yes this subject comes up a lot
heady shadow
all the dragons are Norse.
untold gull
i thought 6.0 is hydaelyn vs zodiark
heady shadow
their names are already known
untold gull
then new adventures after 6.0
torpid yoke
6.0 is the end of the hydaelyn zodiark ark
torpid yoke
well the next expac
heady shadow
your wrong
untold gull
since no more ascian aside from fandaniel who can do whatever the fuck he wants now
they said new adventure after ffxiv
wait
stable kelp
Man fuck Ascians rn honestly
untold gull
after 6.0 i meant lol
steep cape
zenos is getting stale
carmine basin
He turned on Ratatoskr, taking not only her eyes, but her life.
When Nidhogg discovered that King Thordan had murdered his beloved, his fury was beyond reckoning.```i thought there were like 2 more that are still alive
steep cape
tiamat is nidhogg lady
untold gull
we were getting it mixed up on who's incest lady they have
steep cape
wait no
untold gull
wait what
carmine basin
I assume dragons have no issue when it comes to incest like humans are so 
steep cape
tioman nidhogg lady
viscid monolith
Tiamat is Bahamut's partner
torpid yoke
Tiamat is the reason the binding coils exists
heady shadow
your ways are alien
stable kelp
Toiman could be the side chick
viscid monolith
Dragons don't have sex anyway. They pair for emotional support
stable kelp
Or rebound
heady shadow
Tiamat is the reason for dalamuds fall
steep cape
then whys there so many little dragons
viscid monolith
They reproduce asexually
torpid yoke
she wanted bahumut back and he was revived as the one we fight
viscid monolith
Just lay eggs when they feel like it
steep cape
chicken
viscid monolith
The way dragons mature is based on the type of aether they're exposed to
untold gull
i was wondering. are we ever gonna see sharlayan homeland?
carmine basin
Possibly
stable kelp
Yo imagine your dad is mad as shit when he pops you out
untold gull
inb4 they become our gateway to space
gaunt star
tiamat is nidhogg lady
@steep cape thats Ratatoskr
gaunt star
Tiamat is for Bahamut
stable kelp
And racist as shit towards catholic elves
turbid aspen
are we getting confused because tiamat looks a lot like nidhogg
stable kelp
So you just fight them and make them turn into dragons for fun
steep cape
blame the names
turbid aspen
even tho she's bahamuts partner
carmine basin
To make it clear: BahamutxTiamat, NidhoggxRatatosk, then NidhoggxTioman
viscid monolith
No they're getting confuse because of Tioman
wary pond
pretty sure there was a pic of hreasvlgr with his dick
viscid monolith
So anyway this is how dragons grow up
carmine basin
HraesvelgrxShiva rip
viscid monolith
carmine basin
Are you sure you're not mistaking fanart with official art, spearya....
wary pond
maybe
torpid yoke
tioman was the one after rata tat tat died
turbid aspen
imagine growing up to be a carapace dragon and you just lose your wings
feelsbadman
steep cape
beeg
untold gull
is tioman the lady dragon guarding that, uh, tower with the others?
carmine basin
How many weeks until Ehl Tou mount!!!
untold gull
oh
viscid monolith
Sohm Al
steep cape
tioman sohm al final boss
carmine basin
turbid aspen
the one with the left and right wing mechanic
stuck yarrow
I wish they’d make 1.0 cutscenes available in the unending journey
torpid yoke
niddy had alot of consorts tbh
untold gull
right, right, i thought itwas just some nidhogg's lieutenant
stuck yarrow
Even if they were just the ones with Derplander in them
untold gull
youtube?
stuck yarrow
Yeah I’ve seen them
heady shadow
I have a bookmark for it somewhere
carmine basin
I honestly want a private server that's just available for story
stable kelp
Yeah but imagine being niddys gf
heady shadow
like the alc?
carmine basin
Or wait, yeah ALC
stable kelp
He's just mad all the damn time at these stupid looking elves.
stuck yarrow
And someone uploaded the disc that came with... I wanna say the ARR special edition of 1.0 cutscenes and a timeline to YouTube
I just wish it was something you could view in game without having to seek it out
carmine basin
It's pinned in #archived-lore-spoilers
Yeah...
Some of the Thancred and Minfillia backstory are in 1.0
stable kelp
"Just eat some elves and come to bed babe" "NO I MUST MAKE THEM SUFFER FOR A THOUSAND YEARS FOR WHAT THEY DID"
carmine basin
So a lot of people mistake their relationship as romantic
stable kelp
So a lot of people mistake their relationship as romantic
@carmine basin I definitely did
torpid yoke
i mean they DID kill his sister and former partner and then ate her damn eyes
i would be very pissed too
carmine basin
I honestly thought that too until Thancred said outright in HW that it's not romantic
viscid monolith
People call every male + female relationship romantic
torpid yoke
especially since his job was to protect his dragon brothers and sisters
carmine basin
They don't look far apart in age model-wise to be seen as father-daughter relationship
minor laurel
viscid monolith
I remember there was an hour back and forth because someone INSISTED that Nanamo amd Raubahn had a romantic relationship. It was stupid.
stable kelp
That's why I found thancred/"minfilia" dynamic super questionable at first
carmine basin
I may have seen that Lance
heady shadow
Found the 1.0 stuff.
Who wants it?
carmine basin
stuck yarrow
I think that original Minfilia and Thancred was more brother/sister
steep cape
minfi is a SMOL CHILD
stuck yarrow
But it definitely doesn’t help that Thancred has the exact same model around 12 year old Ascilia as he does around 27 year old Minfilia
heady shadow
@untold gull http://www.finalfantasyxivcutscenes.com/
stuck yarrow
They don’t really explain their relationship until Heavensward
I was kinda spaced out in the patch quests but they don’t even mention it much when F’lahminn shows up either IIRC
spiral veldt
Have we ever heard of this Fandaniel dude before?
torpid yoke
I originally thought they were more romantic feelings when i started playing. Though i started near the end of HW and was younger so
heady shadow
Travechet all alone
spiral veldt
I see. Cuz even with my goldfish memory i could not recall such name during my gameplay
viscid monolith
We knew there was a Fandaniel Ascian just because that's a Scion of Light from.
heady shadow
for Hashbrowns
viscid monolith
He just never showed up until now
stuck yarrow
But again I also kinda forgot Thancred existed for a bit until he showed up possessed lmao
heady shadow
that was... that part of 2.0 when i first started was...
very... stuffy?
made me feel stuffy
torpid yoke
speaking of that ascian party....is Pashtarot even still good?
heady shadow
I didnt even know what happened.
torpid yoke
like it's been the longest time
stuck yarrow
I feel that
carmine basin
Do we know the two red masks that Gaius killed?
stuck yarrow
I remember a lot of the expansions so clearly and ARR is just fuzzy
carmine basin
I'm not sure if Gaius killed them permanently too 
stuck yarrow
Maybe I should play through on an alt now that they trimmed it down lol
heady shadow
eh... theres plenty of sundered ascians to go around
torpid yoke
not anymore
steep cape
which ascian got decked by the students of baldesion again
carmine basin
We have 4 shards left after their rejoining
torpid yoke
cant raise anyone up without those crystals that eli yoinked up before he died
heady shadow
Fandaniel being one
carmine basin
So unless they awaken their comrades before making the rejoining happen
There might not be enough
Also Emet has said at some point that they're understaffed
It's either in JP or FR dialogue
heady shadow
fandaniel seemed to have been hiding in the corners lol
carmine basin
After we killed so many of them
steep cape
"hello yes welcome to our ascian company thanks for coming to the interview"
stuck yarrow
God I love this game
torpid yoke
which ascian got decked by the students of baldesion again
@steep cape Emmerololth
though they might have been raised up again
stuck yarrow
Bless the students, now I don’t have to learn how to pronounce that name
carmine basin
Emmero LOL th
solid knot
carmine basin
I was expecting body change trope
Like how does WoL tell which crystal belongs to who
Thancred in Y'shtola's body
Urianger in Alphinaud
And so on
As a joke tho
unique verge
Urianger in one of the twins feels like it woudl have the most comedic value
carmine basin
When the camera was panning out on the Scions in their ShB gear
I was expecting body switch to happen
Like the twins were fine but Thancred/Y'shtola/Urianger got mixed up
Would've been a funny way to end 5.3 😂
open verge
same lmao
Because all the crystals looked the exact same
What if somehow you mixed it up
frosty sluice
anyone have the picture for new hair?
untold gull
Oooooh where can we get it
frosty sluice
thank you 😄
untold gull
Need me that
untold gull
Ishgard restoration 
carmine basin
The fashionista also used the hairstyle on their nier set showcase @frosty sluice https://youtu.be/pE8B-cfcJnM
If you want a better look at the hairstyle
frosty sluice
@carmine basin thats where i actually first see the new hair XD and i saw that its a new one so i asked here
thank you very much 😄
carmine basin
Looks good on male miqo'te at least
frosty sluice
yeah lol btw do you know where can i get it? its probably ishgard right?
versed storm
kinda silly question, but why isn't SoS EX considered a Minstrel's Ballad?
hardy rivet
gonna need to tweet koji
stuck yarrow
I'll never forgive them locking all the good shit behind crafting
untold gull
Play the game 
pearl rock
Did Sapphire Weapon and can confidently say that I had more fun with that sidequest than with the 5.3 msq. I'm glad that people did have fun with it but... Elidibus and the writing god damn sucked imo
even if the story is very creepy man drinks milk
at least it wasn't trying to give me danganronpa fan fiction dialogue on hope
hardy rivet
LoL
ashen coral
Man that's a spicy 4 AM take
hardy rivet
I do think the sidequests this expansion are a step above the previous ones
previous expacs
lilac crest
Ngl I kinda felt msq was kinda eh this time
pearl rock
I keep trying to figure out why it was, and it I keep landing on the pacing
Like, the transition between G'raha and Beq Lugg getting attacked, to them lying in a field outside is... Not good.
G'raha saying he'll go with you, before tripping and started a huge speech on hope and future and friendship and blah blah blah is not good.
And the Heroes Gauntlet wasn't that cool a dungeon either, Ghimlyt Dark and Ala Mhigo did better jobs in showing how far you've come
steep cape
heroes gauntlet isnt quite the ebic final dungeon
hardy rivet
im fine with the exarch monologuing about hope... if he didnt do it 3 times while we were pressed for time... again
lilac crest
Aye it had some pretty nice tank glam tho
steep cape
aye
lilac crest
I farmed it so damn much
hardy rivet
heroes' gauntlet was cool I love Giott 
steep cape
ive farmed it for 4 days and i still havent seen a single caster robe
lilac crest
I have all the robes
pearl rock
1/3 of the heroes gauntlet goes hard, 2/3s...
steep cape
i swear aiming/maiming stuff has a higher drop rate
lilac crest
I still need to get helmet
Mine is healer stuff and aiming
Why does aiming drop so much
steep cape
missing the tank chest piece
hardy rivet
I still havent done the bartending minigame.... more giott... 
heady shadow
wht does the dungeion aiming top/bottom look like gain?
steep cape
bartending minigame? where? :0
heady shadow
also sorry my brain is hurting badly and im tires, expect more typos
lilac crest
Prolly from beasttribe
steep cape
noooo
hardy rivet
after the first level up from dwarves
wary pond
do i wanna farm EX when i get home or sleep?
hardy rivet
you build a brewery
swift kraken
gauntlet was a really good medley between zones youve been in
carmine basin
It's not much of a mini game
swift kraken
giott and the fuarth helping out got me pogging
carmine basin
Just dialogue options
You have three customers and three drinks you can offer them
swift kraken
- the moment where the plds shield gets broken
i really do like it when they have allies actually helping you out physically instead of just kind of derping out
carmine basin
Heroes Gauntlet has that nice Ghimlyt Dark feel with the allies you've made in ShB helping you
And ending it with role quest NPCs coming to rescue
swift kraken
my only complaint is that in 5.3 they made the exarch look like pixel art
carmine basin
😭
swift kraken
which kind of took me out of some scenes because i was staring at the minecraft map on his robe
subtle pasture
Obviously the Tower was making him 8-bit
fluid basalt
this is the throwback patch after all, with the original WoL and all
subtle pasture
swift kraken
the meme about him shattering into n64 polygons was true after all
subtle pasture
—but I’m also surprised the crystal texture was so low quality when that model is used to animate him pulling his hood up??
unique verge
those were squares
heady shadow
Hmm.... what neir theme did Okabe mix with FFXIV music in PB?
swift kraken
i know they probably have like
wary pond
last boss
unique verge
The crystal texture is shit because the model is wearing it like an aura
swift kraken
a set amount of pixels they can use
unique verge
its not actually on the model
subtle pasture
The Dark Colossus Destroys Us All, I believe
subtle pasture
It’s on the name of the orch roll
carmine basin
The theme was also in NieR
unique verge
if you pay attention in the scene inside of the crystal tower where he "buys you time"
heady shadow
I only saw Grandm
unique verge
you can see it floating above his skin
swift kraken
im gonna fuckin download a graha hd mod so i dont have to look at the pixel art when i replay it
carmine basin
I forgot where it's used tho for NieR
subtle pasture
Dark Colossus destroys us all + torn from the heavens iirc
wary pond
i started to hate that ost already
heard it soo much that i get ptsd hearing it now
heady shadow
ye
subtle pasture
Grün, the ocean Goliath
swift kraken
the nier remix this time around was cool but not as cool as the last one
subtle pasture
Oh, that’s why, I only know the Kaiju mix
swift kraken
mostly because im sick of torn from the heavens
subtle pasture
Which is used for... the kaiju Goliath
heady shadow
xD
carmine basin
Oh it's from the giant shadow attacking the villae
swift kraken
the ff theme remixed into nier never gets old though
carmine basin
On automata it's used for the kaiju in the ocean yea
subtle pasture
Also, for anyone on the “wait is Nier canon to 14??”
carmine basin
The one looking for its mommy 
heady shadow
lioens
swift kraken
inb4
heady shadow
lets just see what happens if anything
unique verge
Yes because the eleventy billion it had werent sufficient
heady shadow
xD
carmine basin
2B did feel like she's in another planet/world? not sure for the quote
heady shadow
theres usually only 5 endings
swift kraken
tbf like 10 billion of them were jokes
carmine basin
And the datalogs acknowledge that the environment is unfamiliar to them
swift kraken
like 2b going to fish was just relateable
subtle pasture
The mackerel whose fish oil destroys her chassis
carmine basin
LET ME MINE HIM
subtle pasture
Horny bonk?