They use broils lol
Flambė II
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
brisk quail
gaunt star
Shrug
teal geyser
That's still not what they are going to do Multi
echo orbit
and it could just be like not actual souls by memories nonsense
gaunt star
Lol
echo orbit
borrowing their power
teal geyser
You can't really have Necromancer without corpses or else it's not necromancy, it's another, albeit similar, job
echo orbit
they probably won't call it necromancer either
teal geyser
Good
gaunt star
Oh i just remembered
There was a concept of necromancer
Where they actually carry corpses with them
echo orbit
spirit mage
drowsy belfry
This better be a fucking placeholder
gaunt star
Would that work for ffxiv
brisk quail
Dad? Can we have Broil III.
Yoshi-P: we have broil III at home
Broil III at home: F l a m b é I I
teal geyser
I didn't want to click on that
drowsy belfry
Cause I'll be fucking pissed if the body looks like this >:I
teal geyser
Fuck
heady shadow
HMMMMMM
gaunt star
So u dont have to use actual enemies for corpse shenanigans
echo orbit
it's the new limsa glam
teal geyser
Dumb
gaunt star
Nou
errant mortar
@drowsy belfry is that supposed to be ||hrothgar lady||?
tropic oriole
hey yall! this is soooo off topic but i gotta ask,,, is anyone else freaked out by graha's last line in the final cutscene where he says something along the lines of 6.0 being the "final fight for the fate of our star"?? one of my buddies has me worried that it means that 6.0 is the last major expac lmao
drowsy belfry
If it is I'll be fuckin PISSED
gaunt star
It's supposed to be ||lady of the blades||
errant mortar
same lmao
Its the last xpac for this story arc I think
not the last xpac in general
gaunt star
You know. ||the queen of gunnalr or something like that||
heady shadow
story not the mmo
heady shadow
who the fuck poor rndom person did i just tg T^T^
gaunt star
Haha
heady shadow
i fucking hte this stupid thing
teal geyser
@tropic oriole yeah pretty sure they said they were writing for the story post 6.0
gaunt star
Fix your a
heady shadow
yeh.... I'll wit till i get new lptop before i throw this one into the fucking wll
xD
teal geyser
I feel bad for complaining about your @s now
vivid notch
did anyone else found the trial's song vocals to be way close to David Bowie? XD
drowsy belfry
@tropic oriole - The ending/finale of the main story scenario is already decided (Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc). So please look forward to it™️. Just because Hydaelyn-Zodiark arc ends doesn't mean the end of FFXIV. There will be a new story arc beyond this
- Yoshi-P
teal geyser
Story arc too
teal geyser
Which means multiple expansions really
heady shadow
neh it's fine.
it's bec0me meme of storts in my other chnnels
gaunt star
did anyone else found the trial's song vocals to be way close to David Bowie? XD
yes. i too confused the new trial for starman
/s
teal geyser
There aren't official lyrics are there
drowsy belfry
Not yet
teal geyser
fan translation?
misty yoke
So i finally completed the patch
misty yoke
Now Im worried next expac is gonna be the last
drowsy belfry
- The ending/finale of the main story scenario is already decided (Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc). So please look forward to it™️. Just because Hydaelyn-Zodiark arc ends doesn't mean the end of FFXIV. There will be a new story arc beyond this - Yoshi-P
misty yoke
Aight nvm then lmao
signal solar
the trial music reminded me of Vitas Seventh Element
heady shadow
this needs to be pinned
signal solar
just from the beginning
misty yoke
This game is great. It’s ridiculous and yet is somehow able to balance out a serious tone as well
white rapids
noble jetty
how hard is it to upgrade to new stage of bozjan
drowsy belfry
It's not out yet
So we dunno
But according to Yoshi it's easy enough to do it while doing Bozjan story
noble jetty
oh, it's not out yet?
misty yoke
No
noble jetty
for some reason i was associating the ruby weapon stuff with bozjan
signal solar
Cid
noble jetty
ye
deep creek
I hope the little fire wings on the SMN weapon grow in size like Eureka's did
deep creek
And I am back to getting out of here
signal solar
lol
severe brook
grow the summoner book's wings to the size that the book can be a mount
raven tulip
“The final tale of this star” does that mean the next expansion is going to be the last ever one for XIV you reckon? 😭
severe brook
no
it'll just be the end of the hydaelyn vs zodiark story
as hydaelyn and zodiark are technically the wills of the star
errant mortar
the quote really does need to be pinned huh
heady shadow
yes
and at this point Im already tired of people even suggesting that 6.0 is the end
drowsy belfry
- The ending/finale of the main story scenario is already decided (Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc). So please look forward to it:tm:. Just because Hydaelyn-Zodiark arc ends doesn't mean the end of FFXIV. There will be a new story arc beyond this - Yoshi-P @raven tulip
foggy mesa
I'm excited by "final tale of this star" being the wording, especially with the title we gained this patch. I'd love to ditch Hydaelyn/Zodiark's world entirely for a bit after this arc and just explore a completely new world far removed from the Twelve, Ascians, etc.
severe brook
list of things we seem to go through every few hours:
- Hades is the Ascian that shows up in Seat of Sacrifice
- The next expansion is not the last.
- Elidibus was not the OG Warrior of Light.
heady shadow
and it'll be like that for the next year
then people will throw vids out saying Is FFXIV ending??!!!
The end of FFXIV??
spring rapids
im really excited to see where the story will go post 6.0
im really down for anything
they have been hinting at the "new world" for a while now tho
sterile galleon
I reckoned we're in for another 3 expansions, 4 at best though doubtful imho
spring rapids
pending how well the game does, i dont see why it would end
unless they want to do an engine overhaul
hell they are still making content for ff11
sterile galleon
^ Yeah, though the game is plagued by issues rooted in its origins. cough 1.0 cough
gaunt star
I would love to see them do an engine overhaul, though that's not likely
sterile galleon
Graphical limitations for the most part
spring rapids
i wouldnt mind it if they decided, hey we are pulling a pso2 new genesis, all your progression and mog is kept we are just upgrading to a new engine
make it ff14 2 or something 😛
gaunt star
@spring rapids that would be cool
sterile galleon
It really comes down to the scale of such an overhaul
spring rapids
agreed and if square thinks its worth it
sterile galleon
^ Which is the determining factor
deft flame
FFXIV.V
spring rapids
wow is still rocking an engine that is old af but it still works (somewhat)
and by somewhat i mean barely but u get my point
gaunt star
@spring rapids wow is also fugly
sterile galleon
Would it be more cost-effective to just make a new game as opposed to practically overhauling an older game's foundations?
spring rapids
wow is an acquired taste graphically, the new stuff looks pretty sweet but the older zones are really really dated imo
sterile galleon
And WoW has been padded with engine updates over the years though it's become something of a Jenga tower in that aspect
deft flame
WoW looks like a play doh animation.
spring rapids
they could go the route of pso2, and have 2 engines in the same game
gaunt star
@spring rapids even the new zones are very cartoony and show the limitations of the engine, not to mention that all the animatics look like someone's putting on a puppet show with the main characters
spring rapids
so if you want to play the original you can, but if u want the new stuff u swap to the new engine
those new bfa cinematics that use in game models are god awful i agree
sterile galleon
The head movements are atrocious
spring rapids
id rather it be a text adventure than they ever use those again
sterile galleon
Some things just can't be helped, regardless of how much you do to the engine
spring rapids
idk, i kind of have faith in square regardless of the direction
at least for me coming from wow, i was constantly thinking "so how is blizz gonna screw this up"
and now with 14 i keep thinking "ok so how is square going to beat my expectations again"
sterile galleon
At a certain point, the costs will outweight the benefits
gaunt star
After shadowbringers I'll never go back to wow, I could never offend my sensibilities that badly again
sterile galleon
I have faith in Square to keep 14 running for longer than they intended, even if solely due to its rising popularity
gaunt star
ff14 ruined me for storytelling because nobody else does any sort of Storytelling or even bothers to try
sterile galleon
Well there's GW2 and SWtOR
spring rapids
yeah swtor is pretty legit story wise
deft flame
Only thing FFXIV is lacking for me is PVP.
spring rapids
as someone who doesnt care about pvp its not an issue for me, but i can see why it is for others
gaunt star
Swtor is.... okay storytelling wise. But, it's entirely ruined on account of pay-to-play via EA
spring rapids
^
sterile galleon
^ Plus the atrocious UI
spring rapids
also imo it looks really dated
sterile galleon
Oh yeah, I've listened to its soundtracks.
spring rapids
the music makes me want to play it but i dont like the combat
deft flame
It would be fun if they did a team vs team mode where you kill a boss. Whoever kills that boss first wins.
sterile galleon
Unfortunately, they've been laying off workers over the past couple of years whilst more and more of their funding is being diverted towards mobile projects at NCSoft.
gaunt star
At least in swtor you aren't the narrative equivalent of a fifth wheel, like in WoW
spring rapids
agreed
sterile galleon
Expansions have completely ceased, with a new update pipeline akin to XI's having been put in place
spring rapids
wow started to make you feel relevant in legion tbf
gaunt star
@spring rapids I played and generally liked Legion
spring rapids
legion was pretty great
gaunt star
But you are still equivalently the fifth wheel lore wise, only mitigated by the legendary weapons and the effort they put into Guild Halls
sterile galleon
Though it's been stained by its legacy, i.e. Artifact power system
gaunt star
And don't forget that halfway through its stops becoming about you and becomes about everybody's favorite edgy boy
The chosen one
spring rapids
i will not tolerate hate against my boy illidan
sterile galleon
I'm genuinely contemplating skipping on SL as I've become much more invested in XIV
gaunt star
Dude Illidan stormrage is literally Drizzt do'urden
sterile galleon
Plus that the setting just doesn't do much for me. Let's not even go into the Sylvanas arc
gaunt star
And as every tabletop player knows, the dungeon master always loves to hear about your character that's completely fashioned after Drizzt
toxic swift
I've been thinking about a potential chemist and I think I want a healer that uses weapon buffing to deal damage.
sterile galleon
Torghast is basically PotD/HoH without the rewards. Just rebranded azerite power.
spring rapids
i love the setting personally, its just the gameplay looks bleh
torghast is a roguelike
gaunt star
Are we not going to mention how shadowlands is essentially a ripoff of shadowbringers? I mean they're not exactly the same thing but they're also not exactly different?
spring rapids
tbf they need to sort out the power within torghast but roguelikes still arent my thing
only thing alike is that shadow is in the name
the real ripoff is probably 10.0
when they do the whole lightbound story probably
sterile galleon
If 10.0 winds up being an Old World revamp, I might allow myself to get back into WoW for real.
gaunt star
I was never fascinated by Illidan, but I will give him this much, he's no Sylvanas
spring rapids
for me i think i like illdan as much as i do cause wow characters generally arent that good and he at least has some good backstory and character development
swift kraken
and that the lich king was good
sterile galleon
Asspull after asspull since Mists.
gaunt star
I've always been of the unpopular opinion that wow was never good, it just had moments of greatness
sterile galleon
At least Cata and Mists traced their roots back to WC3/Classic.
spring rapids
story was never wow's strongpoint
gaunt star
A couple of moments of greatness does not a good game make
sterile galleon
I think WoW was good for its time and put MMORPGs into the limelight
spring rapids
wow's strongpoint was always gameplay and community but i think blizz forgot that
gaunt star
Most of what people love about wow is their friends
sterile galleon
Blizzard's corporate misdeeds have honestly made it harder for me to stay invested in WoW.
spring rapids
^
gaunt star
I was physically angry at the end of heavensward, largely because I felt like I had been cheated by every other game company who had attempted online gaming
sterile galleon
The PR especially, it's a night and day difference between it and XIV
spring rapids
heavensward made me realize wow's storytelling was trash tier
especially the nidhogg fight with the music
sterile galleon
Looking back, I'm not sure if Legion can really be called good
spring rapids
i do think legion was good
sterile galleon
A pile of dung beneath the veil of fanservice
spring rapids
i personally really liked suramar tho they screwed it up by making nightborne be horde for some contrived reason
rain badger
take WoW's community + modding + FF's balance + game play pls
gaunt star
@sterile galleon Legion and the patches leading up to Legion were at least fun
spring rapids
one of the main things i love with ff14
no faction system that limits gameplay
rain badger
- WoW's transmog system
spring rapids
my life for more glamour room
swift kraken
youre just trading one evil for the other
swift kraken
no
gaunt star
wow's community is labyrinthian
swift kraken
they dont
rain badger
can be positive all day
gaunt star
is how i describe it
rain badger
but if you have a 2k dps ninja
swift kraken
swift kraken
yeah but then you have shitters who quit when someone does 1 mech wrong once
gaunt star
@spring rapids The Horde get everything nice, largely because the devs are fans of The Horde
rain badger
and just do mechanics
gaunt star
"Link the achievement for the current raid tier to do this clear party for the old raid tier"
"Link the achievement from the last tier to do this tier"
gaunt star
okay guess ill never do content
I actually love that there's no faction nonsense in ff14
rain badger
you can get banned for kicking them
ask someone to aoe
and you're being toxic
like what
sterile galleon
Most of the positive community in WoW has been consolidated by the RP servers
In my experience
unique verge
RP servers are cancer
swift kraken
what this game has is equal treatment so if someone insults youre not exactly supposed to insult back
and thats a good thing
rain badger
I mean
sterile galleon
At least not 'cussing in chat' cancer
rain badger
not insulting back is fine
placid sail
placid sail
you don't get banned for votekicking someone because they're bad
sterile galleon
This is a Christian server 
rain badger
"we aren't going to clear because this shitter is doing 2k dps"
placid sail
you get banned because you mentioned their dps number in chat, or because you insulted them, but not because you kicked them for being bad
rain badger
cause you cannot cross world whisper
just add cross world whispering
for people in your PF
then ez
then you can just /tell PF lead
unique verge
Yeah but....you can get around that.
rain badger
as long as you aren't
2k dps ninja bad
you aren't as big as a trap as other people
unique verge
honestly if i see shit anything from the party leader i leave almost immediately
signal solar
slightly subpar for 4.3
unique verge
because its usually "carry me please" behavior
signal solar
didnt play ninja for 4.4/5
signal solar
i was slightly under 4k dps on DRK in SB
at alphascape
and i hit 9k on WAR on ruby weapon SSS
sterile galleon
-Though they'll eventually have to set aside XIV in favor of a XVII
signal solar
i play ps4 so i had to do that SSS by hand
rain badger
nah
unique verge
Not really
signal solar
xv was pp bad
signal solar
spells were almost worthless
rain badger
RIGHT
unique verge
Right now XIV is the only like, consistently successful property they have
rain badger
that was my biggest gripe
also what was up with not being able to control your party members?
signal solar
except for that one hunt where its immune to weapon attack
rain badger
like
signal solar
literally one
sterile galleon
With Amazon working on a LotR/Silmarillion based MMORPG and Riot quietly scheming in the background on a Runeterra based MMORPG, it'll be impossible for XIV to hold up against them because of its technical limitations.
unique verge
I mean, you say this
signal solar
even ff13/13-2 you could control everything
gaunt star
FFXV isn't even kh combat
signal solar
also yeah
gaunt star
kh combat is actually good
severe brook
FF7R was basically an improvement on XV's system in every way
signal solar
Amazons MMO looking pretty spicy ngl
severe brook
if they do stuff like that kind of combat again, it'll be like 7R
rain badger
being able to control allies
unique verge
But plenty of "this MMO is better on paper" have come out since 14 came out. They were all shit. Because graphics on an MMO are about the dead-last priority in terms of what makes it good.
rain badger
already made it 10x better than XV
aerith was fun to use cause you could blow everyone up
gaunt star
remember when blade and soul was the next big thing
rain badger
if they had elemental weaknesses
tifa was broken cause she could chain stun with her chi orb
unique verge
I remember being told Blade and Soul was going to take over the market
gaunt star
it has like 1k players now doesn't it
unique verge
I also remember laughing at all of those fuckwits who said it because of who was developing BnS
imagine being so stupid that you think NCSoft can put out a good game
signal solar
imagine being so stupid that you think FromSoftware cant put out a good game
unique verge
Let's see. Blade and Soul? Dead. Aion? Dead. Wildstar? Dead. City of Heroes? Basically dead.
GW2 is NCSoft in name only, which is the only reason its not shit.
unique verge
So yes
rain badger
that is a name lmao
sterile galleon
I remember that one
unique verge
i just laughed at them
sterile galleon
unique verge
You can pretty safely assume anything they dev thats a new property, and not something they're just buying out that already exists, is going to be total shit
sterile galleon
Riot's going to make a splash in the genre 7-8 years from now
placid sail
NCSoft feels like it was a company whose only goal was to duplicate the success of WoW
sterile galleon
Can't say much about those who will precede it though.
Just a bunch of cancelled crowdfund projects
unique verge
As far as things coming up go
sterile galleon
unique verge
I see alot of people freaking out over Ashes of Creation. I remain highly skeptical.
rain badger
tbh even if riot games a new game
90% chance people quit
and it'll be the hard core riot fans
that stay
riot's balancing is questionable
unique verge
then there's the Amazon property, which i think is an interesting idea but uh, i dont think its setting is going to rope people in
sterile galleon
Gameplay doesn't seem particularly... Anything
rain badger
like SUPER questionable
there was that whole period where they were like
"MUH ANTI FUN"
unique verge
Riot couldnt balance a scale that has nothing on it.
sterile galleon
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt where PvE is concerned
weary quiver
||i just realized something , if the exarch in the source is just sleeping , he only took the memories from the vessel?||
unique verge
"just sleeping"?
rain badger
nerf balancing is so boring
unique verge
He dead
rain badger
compared to buff-balancing
signal solar
he in a coma
sterile galleon
He's quartz through and through
signal solar
not just sloopin
signal solar
on source
rain badger
wait how does that work
signal solar
not on first
sterile galleon
Literally what happened with the Scions right before we left
Except their bodies were on the Source
The Exarch's on the first
unique verge
Okay nevermind the question itself makes no sense
rain badger
wait I can't remember
rain badger
@ the end of crystal tower series
graha tia just goes into the tower
and sleeps right?
signal solar
big sleepy
rain badger
maybe there will be a date
when the people can
use the tower correctly
or w.e
cause technology too OP
signal solar
technically we can now since the crystals have allagan crystal blood
rain badger
and when he slept his essence transported to the first?
or was the him on the first
a different time line him
weary quiver
yes thats what i meant
signal solar
different timeline
weary quiver
sorry
rain badger
gotcha
signal solar
same soul
rain badger
so they took the him from the different time line
sterile galleon
We literally extracted the Exarch's soul from his body on the first
unique verge
Yes
rain badger
didn't his soul get extracted when
signal solar
sole
rain badger
the red thing flashed white
signal solar
yes
unique verge
Yes
signal solar
it did
rain badger
how was he able to move around with his soul extracted o-o
unique verge
I mean he was like 2 seconds away from death at that point
I think that's just being nitpicky
lol
rain badger
idk
cause like with allisae + the others
when they got soul extracted
they just disappeared lol
unique verge
because that was all they were
signal solar
because they didnt have an actual body
signal solar
their bodies were on the source
rain badger
yeah I'm just wondering if with graha
it was like 95% of the soul
or 99% of the soul
or 99.9%
sterile galleon
Sundered?
unique verge
I'm going with 100% but they couldnt just have him die immediately afterwards because he had to strike a pose
weary quiver
i'm so confused now u_u
signal solar
pose
unique verge
oh god not this again
rain badger
LOL
sterile galleon
Well the G'raha on the source is... Literally hibernating
rain badger
soul + soul = 2soul
signal solar
graha wanted to do a jojo
ゴゴゴゴ
placid sail
the answer is nyehhh *shrug*
sterile galleon
Exarch is still G'raha after he wakes up
So G'raha is Exarch after he wakes up on the Source
unique verge
I mean, he's kind of OP as fuck
sterile galleon
I wonder what job he is
weary quiver
i'm watching friend playing the story and it just struck me it didn't make sense
sterile galleon
Sharlayan?
unique verge
~20-ish year old body. 150+ years of experience and knowledge.
unreal hound
just All Rounder innit
rain badger
thats a role tho
unique verge
and he's on the same tier as WoL in terms of rejoinings
unreal hound
ah
sterile galleon
I'd like to think that G'raha wakes up as the Exarch once we come to his body on the Source
swift kraken
he wakes up as both
signal solar
exarch was a 20 year old in a 200 year old body
swift kraken
their souls merged
sterile galleon
@swift kraken Yes, though in mind he's more Exarch
unique verge
Yeah but the "Exarch" then proceeded to live through ~50 years of Apocalypse Source Timeline + 100+ Years of Post-Flood Norvrandt
while awake
sterile galleon
Hmmm, let's talk about 5.4 instead or our destination for 6.0
This soul chattery is getting wonky
swift kraken
graha had to accept that he and the exarch are the same person
otherwise the soul merge wouldnt work
signal solar
we are going to do an ora ora to fandaniel
swift kraken
same thing for the exarch
signal solar
he gives us vietnam flashbacks
signal solar
no
sterile galleon
So how many Ascians have we slain thus far...
signal solar
shouldnt be
swift kraken
no
sterile galleon
Five?
swift kraken
its new territory
sterile galleon
Wonder who remains from the convocation, sundered anyway
unique verge
Laha doesnt count
sterile galleon
Unless there's one more unsundered in hiding
signal solar
and Ardbert killed a few while on the First
unique verge
Summoner quest has you ice quite a few Ascians
signal solar
those were black masks iirc
unique verge
isnt one of them red? i dont remember
unique verge
Eh, fair enough
Still, we cant take credit for 
Idiot got himself eaten by a primal
signal solar
lahabrea got killed by the primals he helped be summoned
sterile galleon
I doubt we're going to kill a high-profile fellow in 5.4 or 5.5 if we get that far
More likely, it'll be one of our own
||Thancred||
signal solar
5.4 and 5.5 is going to be weapon trials
so we arent going to
sure
one of our own could potentially die
unique verge
Nah
signal solar
and why specifically thancred
signal solar
hell
unique verge
it would have been the perfect opportunity to do so
signal solar
2.0
sterile galleon
Unless they have something else in store for him
signal solar
could have left him for dead in the praetorium
sterile galleon
I mean where is his tale headed?
gaunt star
To be the papa of another minfilia
unique verge
Why does it have to be headed somewhere
signal solar
he resolved his issue with minfilia
gaunt star
a character arc being completed doesn't need to end in death
signal solar
him being ninja was a sign that he was broken
gaunt star
thancred can just be our bro
sterile galleon
Just seems like his arc has concluded, which kinda sets him up for a bucket kicking
gaunt star
I mean, i am ok with him being my bro or my daddy, whatever route SE wants
signal solar
yshtola dommy mommy
unique verge
Yeah uh, Yshtola hasnt had any meaningful character development in how long?
Nobody is saying she's gonna keel over
sterile galleon
Keep your hands off my 'Shtola
gaunt star
I mean she kind of does each expansion
signal solar
she almost did die again in 5.0
unique verge
The only "development" in ShB was that we found out that if she didnt have the Scions she'd be a Matoya-tier crazy cat lady.
her default state seems to be "hoarder in a cave"
sterile galleon
Crazy frog lady more like
signal solar
thancred was father figure to ryne
unique verge
Yeah but point stands
gaunt star
I liked the furry man that was with her
signal solar
ryne now grown
gaunt star
"grown"
signal solar
grown
gaunt star
"grown"
@gaunt star
signal solar
"shes 2000 years old i swear"
sterile galleon
What are Thancred's personal goals now, aside from just aiding the Scions
Is he still an operative?
Intelligence gatherer?
unique verge
What were Thancreds personal goals in SB? in HW?
gaunt star
Helping Ala Migho i guess. Like the rest of the Scions
sterile galleon
Minfilia
unique verge
He hasnt changed
gaunt star
Neither of them have a personal goal
signal solar
minfilia
gaunt star
Not even WoL
unique verge
He still has the same skillset he always had
signal solar
WoL is mister "fix the fucked up shit"
sterile galleon
Fingers crossed for Dalmasca in 6.0
gaunt star
For those who can still be saved card each time we get out of speech
unique verge
tbh i could do without any further forays into the empire from the east
signal solar
the burn
unique verge
Throw a fucking curveball at us and have us approach from the west
sterile galleon
Dal-mas-ca
Though there's a shorter distance from the west to Garlemald than the east
Gotta draw that narrative out yo
signal solar
or do what was supposed to happen in ww2 to russia
go on both ends
bottleneck them bro
unique verge
NGL
sterile galleon
Besides, Dalmasca is still host to Garlean forces that would just prevent us from taking the west
unique verge
i'm gonna be disappointed if, when we do initiate Empire-invasion mode
sterile galleon
@signal solar I like your thinking
unique verge
we dont have just an outright overwhelming defeat
not that stupid shit like Rhalgr's Reach
signal solar
ralgers
unique verge
I mean like, the empire gets pushed out of some territory and then immediately nukes it into oblivion
unique verge
Yeah but that was....slightly different
signal solar
Estinien Ex Machina
pastel coyote
senpai save the day
signal solar
uwu
unique verge
I feel like the Empire expansion, whenever it happens, is ripe for situations where we "liberate" a city
and it gets levelled the next day
unique verge
Degenerates
sterile galleon
With the proletari- I mean the populares gone, Garlemald is pretty... Vulnerable
signal solar
some of those are from Ultima weapon recruitment reddit feeds
unique verge
why would that make Garlemald vulnerable
if anything that makes them less vulnerable lol
The only "opposition party" has been purged.
sterile galleon
Unless someone comes in to fill in the power vacuum
Wait hold up
Oh yeah the populares are the pacifist dudes
signal solar
hold on i made a spreadsheet from the garlean hierarchy books in Gubal
tough fern
They are vulnerable in a sense. The unsundered ascians pulling the strings are all gone, Varis is dead, and while Zenos is next in line to rule he has no interest in doing so instead choosing to slaughter his own kind
unique verge
Yeah i mean, all of that is true Tali
Im just saying that implying that "the populares being gone" is a factor that makes them more vulnerable is dead wrong
tough fern
And the only reason Zenos now opposes the empire is because they want us dead
Which to him is a big no-no
unique verge
But thats pretty much solved now by him seizing control of it
sterile galleon
Is it tho?
signal solar
zenos has big boner for us
and now the fanfiction images are pouring into my mind, thanks imagination
sterile galleon
We could see pockets of objectionists emerging in the further reaches of the empire
unique verge
If your psychopathic emperor who is known for killing people for looking at him the wrong way puts out an edict that says "Anyone who kills the WoL answers to me, they're mine alone to kill", one has to think that people would take it seriously.
sterile galleon
"This emperor is nuts, we should take things into our own hands."
sterile galleon
His father can attest to that
unique verge
Opposing him leads to you getting sliced in half.
signal solar
and didnt we just get finished spreading a rumor that Zenos was an ascian
unique verge
That rumor is dead now
heady shadow
Zenos put down the Doman rebellion and any Ala Mihgan that could have happneed after Gaius died.
unique verge
Via the purging of the populares
heady shadow
bwhahaha
tough fern
I'm still of the mind that we're going to get the plot twist of Daniel revealing that Zenos himself is Zodiark 
sterile galleon
Who was blocking his path in the palace tho
sterile galleon
Elidibus was Zodiark's core
sterile galleon
Like Ryne with Shiva
steel tusk
there's a Zenos shaped hole in Zodiark now
signal solar
hm
people who use their bodies as catalysts for primal summoning are stand users
change my mind
tough fern
You think i'm trolling but i'm not, I wouldn't put it past them to do that
unique verge
if Zenos was Zodiark, you'd think fucking Emet would notice. Elidibus maybe not because Elidibus was incompetent and broken.
tough fern
signal solar
emet is big g-daddy to literally all of garlemald
heady shadow
would explain why he sees the same dream over and over again
if that were trie
*true
tough fern
If there is one thing XIV's story has taught us we have to think outside of the box
signal solar
Zenos has an Artificially genterated Echo
tough fern
The most obvious answer is likely not correct
signal solar
from magitek devices
tough fern
steel tusk
Zenos' echo is a copy. But it's never been clear who it was copied from. Elidibus? Emet?
signal solar
and it was correct
unique verge
Now, if we're talking batshit theories i can get on board with
I could buy into Zenos being Hythlodaeus
tough fern
Elidibus being a Primal was not obvious though
unique verge
I mean
it was obvious to me?
I started calling him on this server "the thing calling itself Elidibus" as soon as i played 5.2
heady shadow
actually did you notice it was funny? that when in 5.2 we told elidibus what emet said and he scoffed at us for daring to suggest ''remembering''?
signal solar
also no one mentioned this but
rip voice lines for this patch
heady shadow
and this time, Elidibus didnt remember barely anything?
sterile galleon
Zenos = Hythlodaeus confirmed
tough fern
Okay but the story explained that off by going with "it's just a title it was clearly passed on to someone else" @unique verge
heady shadow
I just thought it is ironic but sad, the guy who bitched at us about remembering didnt remember a single thing
and it was out of the mouth of a Kid no less
signal solar
lahabrea was the same way
tough fern
After that no one really considered the possibility of him being a primal
signal solar
body jumped so much he forgot
plush basin
I still have a locked duty after doing Puppet, Saphire and Heroes.
tough fern
Apparently
plush basin
Is there something I skipped?
signal solar
shiva unreal
teal geyser
The trial
sterile galleon
Idyllshite, available at your local pharmacy
No prescription required
"It's what goblins breathe!"
Though I figure that Viera and Hrothgar will go the same route as Au ra, who were first introduced in Heavensward before their origins/history were properly established in Stormblood's Yanxia
It's one of the major reasons why I'm expecting us to visit Dalmasca in 6.0, together with the Bozja arc.
unique verge
I cant take lore about either of those races seriously at all
Particularly rabbit lore
end of the day its all going to end up being worse than Viis on the First lore
signal solar
hrothgar are interesting because bozja was a place referenced multiple times from 1.0, up until 4.0
subtle pasture
Viis and Viera are 90% identical anyhow, just with the addition of Ronka I suppose.
I'm pretty into Bozja lore but also bracing for the "haha Gunnhildr was a primal" 
unique verge
tbh i dont really care about Bozja either
Game hasnt given me a compelling reason to find them interesting
subtle pasture
Yeah the relic weapons look fairly meh in their first stage but Memoria and the memory aether lesson was fun
unique verge
"The empire literally dropped an orbital nuke destroying our entire society" is not the foundation for an interesting story
subtle pasture
A compelling reason to find them interesting
We're dealing with a rogue Legion that's intent on summoning a Primal
unique verge
Yeah but that's.....not Bozja being interesting
that's the empire being interesting
unique verge
Bozja itself is boring
Nearly everything about the Bozja plotline that makes it interesting is not-Bozja
subtle pasture
well clearly didn't pay any attention to it, then,
considering the entire relic is reconsturcting the Queensguard's weapons
Plus, the Empire didn't nuke it, Project Meteor went awry-- with a beacon that was powered by said Queensguard weapons
unique verge
I'm aware
gaunt star
We could be surprised by the Bozja thing. I mean, the dream of Cid makes the city look cool. The one that was nuked.
subtle pasture
"It's an empire story," huh I guess Doma was just an Empire story too, then
subtle pasture
The Citadel got nuked, there were people, outside the Citadel
gaunt star
The best part of Doma was everything regarding Hien
heady shadow
including the xaela stalking him
unique verge
Its pretty heavily implied that the majority of the city if not all of it was lost in that incident
heady shadow
well... Cid survived
subtle pasture
Yes, Bozja Citadel is the city, the seat of power of Bozja, the Citadel was lost
heady shadow
and he was allegedly at ground zero
gaunt star
Bahamut Baha-nuked it.
heady shadow
it probably got hit like hiroshima
unique verge
As a random aside
Cid memory quest
I feel like applying the usual "DRK logic" to this and being like "What's wrong Cid? This looks pretty normal to me"
subtle pasture
Mikoto being Mikoto aside, I am fascinated by the Bozjan Seers,
the memory stuff in general was v neat
gaunt star
@unique verge For a moment I thought you said Dragoon and I was like "Dragoons can't comment, they're always on the floor."
unique verge
No no no, the madmen, not the deadmen
subtle pasture
The only shame is how, bc Bozja is relic story rn, it probably wont feature in a Garlemald expac
gaunt star
I need to level DRK
subtle pasture
But, I'm sure the Bozja questline will be v cool, too
It has parallels to Werlyt as well, at least, geographically 
sterile galleon
Wouldn't be surprised if it builds up towards a female Hrothgar reveal/tease
gaunt star
dunno if they'll ever do female hrothgar or male Viera, because of the texture logistics.
Or rather the reskinning required for every bit in the game.
subtle pasture
I doubt it too, but I also just, don't really care
like if y'all can deal w/ female Au Ra being tiny lizard waifus, we can deal w/ genderlocked Viera and Hroth
gaunt star
thats uh
very different
my biggest issue with the Au Ra (I play an Au Ra) is that unless you choose the thin tail variant, the tail looks wrong.
but go off
They never connected the thick tail to the butt, so it just kinda swoops outward and its super obvious.
subtle pasture
It's a limit of the character maker, but if they haven't budged on earlier things I doubt they would now
gaunt star
and that is like.... a five year old problem.
gaunt star
there are people who don't use thin tail?
I don't use the thin tail, because I like my beefy dragon tail
but it means I have to choose my attire to cover up the horrible modelling in that part.
can't complain too much, I can at least wear everything unlike bunny heads.
sterile galleon
Genderlocking still poses a liability to the game's marketability outside of Asia 
frozen spade
sterile galleon
Besides, when hasn't a new race stirred hype
subtle pasture
Hrothgar,
gaunt star
i still hate that weapon cposes are genderlocked
females not being able to use the male dragoon pose is so dumb
gaunt star
shoutout to fordola using the male paladin cpose in a cutscene
heady shadow
it might be a limitation thing
surreal veldt
Heh
heady shadow
1.0 nightmares
gaunt star
fordola uses a male paladin pose in a cutscene and people have swapped those poses without issue iirc with modding
sterile galleon
The lack of any new hairstyles for Hrothgar and Viera yet could also be explained by them instead diverting their efforts towards implementing the other sexes
subtle pasture
My stance on female hroth and male viera has circled around from "would be neat but meh," to "the people who bashed male hroth for existing were annoying so y'all can't have nice things."
--but anyhow,
female hroth would be the new lowest played race and the male viera players will be,
sterile galleon
It's just a bad look overall
subtle pasture
...weird
subtle pasture
I will say though, abotu a fem hroth reveal
gaunt star
give me smol viera bois
subtle pasture
No.
sterile galleon
Femhroth could look slick tho
gaunt star
the devs are cowards for not giving us strong hroth women
subtle pasture
inverting Au Ra for Viera is the gd mistake that Should Not be comitted
sterile galleon
sterile galleon
I would 100% fantasia that 
subtle pasture
Because Au Ra are also a mistake. Rip my beastly Au Ra men AND women 
What was I-- oh yeah, I'd like a female hroth reveal in Bozja but man,
the lengths,
they have gone,
to mask any surviving women
Bajsaljen, Marsak, Misija, and uhhhh
stuck yarrow
smol viera boys yes
stuck yarrow
it's only fair
subtle pasture
hroth hroth hroth hroth HYUR
stuck yarrow
Even male miqos are disappointingly muscular
surreal veldt
Its obviously that the hrothgar just clone themselves
stuck yarrow
i mean compared to the fem miqos who are skin and bone yeah
heady shadow
the gir is cute
subtle pasture
Can't see enough of the dark and green haired girl in the back but,
the archer lady is v, v cute yeah
...shame we know the paladin hroth is dying,
he's the one enthralled in the trailer
or, maybe alt memory stuff and he's fine
heady shadow
looks enthralled
subtle pasture
not liek they haven't given us enough fake-outs already
gaunt star
Elin-looking Male Viera would be fucking gross and I will not change that stance
okay i didn't mean that extreme
small in comparison to the females
as in, like femqote height, or male miqote height
subtle pasture
Ya'know what would be a perf body shape for male buns for me,
male Au Ra, tbh,
bc that waist makes no sense for their lore
but it do for lithe forest striders
sterile galleon
gaunt star
Make female Hrothgar BIGGER Than the males (This would never happen because of previous modelling issue)
subtle pasture
Else ya'know gestures @ the more draconian and stockier built Au Ra concepts-- for both genders
now that 'm through the bulk of 5.3 content, waiting for weekly reset
5.35 when
Bozjyaaaa
gaunt star
I'm excited by the next patch so long as there is 100% less fandaniel
sterile galleon
Next month 
subtle pasture
Unfortunately Fandaniel Stonks are on the rise
...flooding the Garlean economy w/ those Brutus funds
sterile galleon
Munii
subtle pasture
sterile galleon
throws coins
heady shadow
He actually seems like someone whos going to rub shoulders with us and try to act freidnly.....
subtle pasture
Ya'know how much I praised the extra detail and effort into all the animation and effects in the final cutscenes of the patch
I take it back for the Fandaniel scene
unborn robin
Anyone recognize this hair?
subtle pasture
he's too
gaunt star
Thus far, I hate him. And its more than his face that is punchable.
subtle pasture
toooooooo
empty ocean
That hair is 166 in the files for the original races. The hair does not exist for Viera or Hrothgar.
frozen spade
whoo, cleared SoS EX on first week
unique verge
Hah, i was wondering if you ever got that shit done
heady shadow
I want to try that out but..... PF is asking for stupid shit requirments again and I'd rather be blind
frozen spade
we skipped a WoL mech
unique verge
I mean, you basically always do unless your DPS is just shite
frozen spade
dps is shite or just a lot of wipes
unique verge
He uses 3 of his 4 possible mechanics + quintcast and then enrages
empty ocean
Also, I am pleased to announce male Viera and female Hrothgar has been deconfirmed. The threads have been deleted from the official forums
gaunt star
theres another npc on the crystairum with that face
frozen spade
also the enrage cast is really fast
gaunt star
and it isn't a player face iirc?
sterile galleon
The male viera support thread got closed not too long ago, the female hrothgar one however is still ongoing
unique verge
Also
unique verge
has anyone figured out exactly how SoS EX Anti-LB trigger works?
Sometimes when you try to LB him he pops fucking Hallowed Ground
and sometimes he doesnt
heady shadow
might be health % based
frozen spade
he pops Ture HW it if the LB can kill him and he's not casting
so you want to use LB3 on him when he's casting something
unique verge
Makes sense
frozen spade
eh not bad for my fucking brain turning to smoothness plus ping spikes fucking up WF
wary pond
ye boi
frozen spade
nice
royal spruce
I wonder what's 7.0 is going to be
frozen spade
my bet we'll see 30k dps out of dps
frozen spade
so hildibrand is cannonly a warrior of light but just too dumb to notice?
would make sense how he survives so much shit
royal spruce
Is this where he came to after he fell in that hole
viscid monolith
frozen spade
echo orbit
i wouldn't have trusted squenix's hitbox to even attempt to jump over those things
heady shadow
damn.
must be nice to not know what lag is
maybe they would care when NA and eu drop the game and suddenly all the money goes away and forces them to make better servers
frozen spade
also those orbs hitboxes are so tiny
heady shadow
/s
frozen spade
not like the ones in copied facotry
thin crypt
royal spruce
You know it is very nice being able to go back to the heavensward title screen
frozen spade
then you log out and when you relog back in its back to Shadowbringers title screen
royal spruce
I'm on PS4 so I usually don't log out I just put it into rest mode so I can keep it that way
heady shadow
I only saw the HW screen once. then SB released a few days later
unreal hound
elidibus said
heady shadow
Hmm..... I wonder how long Zodiarck went without a 'heart'?
I wonder if thats why it kept asking for more sacrifices to use it's powers
unreal wadi
open verge
stuck yarrow
it's a really good mix of his ARR look and the Exarch outfit
spare warren
I want his gear, holly molly
thin crypt
rejoining when
wraith arrow
Necromancer and Berserker confirmed?
jovial marsh
Or chemist
thin crypt
berserker tank class when
echo orbit
warrior
spare warren
warrior
@echo orbit i was just gonna say that
unique verge
Necromancer would never work mechanically or fit within the lore properly.
turbid aspen
"oh good gods haurchefant is dead!"
necromancer wol: ok but what if...
unique verge
Yeah its like, a banned practice in every one of the nations.
gaunt star
Nah during cutscenes the WoL is useless
unique verge
Black Magic is just.....looked poorly upon by the conjurers