But damn
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
rare sinew
First they give us water
Then tea
Then milk?
What next
The dwarve feast also had some 10/10 food
Reminded me of MHW level
Oh. For those that played Nier,
The alien ship inside the bunker
Is it "significant" so to speak?
Like outside is obviously the nier base
But where does the design of the inside come from?
open verge
I think it’s humans that made it???
I’m not sure I haven’t played nier
And it’s like the hq or some shit?
open verge
The inside right
rare sinew
That aesthetically doesnt match the Yorha style
rare sinew
Yea. It reminds me of Omega in a way
stuck yarrow
G'raha's ears wiggle when you say his name, he's so good omg
gaunt star
the tail wiggle killed me
forest magnet
what is up with villains and drinking milk
first its the khan kotun from ghost of tsushima
then its mr sweaty
rare sinew
Sweaty boi gotta rehydrate
stuck yarrow
After like a hundred years G'raha's living the dream
rare sinew
After doin push ups witha single finger
I wish we could see inside the CT
When we went to wake him up
stuck yarrow
yeah
gaunt star
i kind of liked that it skipped that, different people have different ideas of how that would have happened
rare sinew
Nice reveal
But i wish there was a scene
Where we just arrive and see Graha just asleep
Then we get a dialogue choice
Then fade to black, continue previous scene
gaunt star
i will say i was curious about where in the tower he was asleep tbh
heady shadow
probbly the oculr
craggy pawn
He probably sleeped on the floor like a cat
gaunt star
blessed mental image ;-;
coarse pond
Sweat that defies alll the laws of how light reflect
Heck that sweat even glows in the dark
frozen spade
so after EX trial does LB4. All mechanics after that can be randomized in order
So you could get WHM +BLM mechanic, or DRK + BRD mechanic
frozen spade
DRK+BRD and NIN I gotten down already. Never Seen WAR.
WHM+BLM still need to pratice.
Plus 5x cast mech
open verge
War is un
I think that’s the tethers
Where you and you partners get a tether and a marker
Prettt easy
frozen spade
oh is it WAR + SMN?
frozen spade
but sadly, most parties I've made have been either -
A: Phase 1 learning
B: Add learning
Im so sick and tired of doing phase 1 and adds for the past few days. I want to progresses after adds
open verge
So bahamut tethers point to the corners and the warrior markers are on cardinals
And then you swap with your partner
wary perch
When I see the summon circle before fighting wol, my thought is please don't summon animal or panties glamour
frozen spade
my brain during the SoS EX fight:
"I know the safe spot everytime for swords of light"
also my brain:
"who the fuck was the one marked with look away dur 5x cast?"
carmine basin
I got Thancred to use Superbolide 
frozen spade
thats why they gave BLM so much movement
coarse pond
Yeah, but those movement things you talk about are also skills you use during raid buff window
frozen spade
thats after you learn za fight
coarse pond
Learning the fight will help you so much
frozen spade
also I can't tell if people dps is good in the EX or the dps checks are a joke
gaunt star
"So, it seems we all died huh"
untold gull
Isn't new ex lenient on dps checks but punishing in mechanics mess up?
frozen spade
idk if its lenient on dps due to requiring 480 to enter and most people doing it have savage gear already
but yeah, most/all mechanics usually one shot ya if you mess up
bc the boss loves combo'ing his mechanics
clever comet
if there's a job SOS hates, it's whm
carmine basin
Got the dungeon music roll but minion yet
austere bear
So Azem and FaDaniel the last Ascian standing?
severe brook
Azem was sundered and is long gone
and there may be other Convocation Ascians that were sundered, raised up and are still active like Fandaniel
and who knows how many minor restored Ancients could be left
silk frost
They’ve never explicitly explained what happened to Pashtarot
unreal wadi
You aren't the only one.
silk frost
And then there’s Trevanchet from 1.0 who could pop up again
In terms of remaining Ascians
narrow plover
frozen spade
yeah they need to be spoiled after the crash of the market
shit already selling like its 3+ weeks into the patch
severe brook
@rare sinew not sure if anyone mentioned it before, but the Alien Ship is a pretty big deal in Nier Automata. In the original game, it's the source of the first signal of the alien life that built the machines detected in an incredibly long amount of time, exposed during a battle from where it was hidden underground.
And then you investigate, and find out [N:A]||The Aliens were dead the whole time, and the machines were running things on their own ever since. And you fight a pair of super-machines named Adam and Eve, who have the battle theme of the Heavy Artillery Unit battle, and wield light similar to that which Compound 2P uses.||
carmine basin
Ryne isn't hanging around
If you can't find her, that means shes not available to talk to
restive robin
Okay let me say something real quick, ive literally NEVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE cried over a video game until I got to the seto bit
and I just watched it again AND CRIED AGAIN
WHY
humble shadow
What is the new requirement for mentor roulette? The "???" part?
restive robin
I dont even have mentor roulette unlocked so idk
I think it might be the new trial extreme OR shiva unreal
If you already have both unlocked then I have no idea
humble shadow
Yeah I do. :c Thank you anyway!
restive robin
Then id say just look it up lol
You have all the new content unlocked correct?
Like all the savage raids, all extreme trials yes?
They might have added savage to mentor roulette
but like I said idk so
austere bear
tfw we got saved by a magic rock
untold gull
Haha, he looks like he's ready to sell the entire kingdom for that
slim egret
Man I feel like I'm missing an entire side of the game with no crafters at max lvl
I'm just so lazy to lvl up all of them
zzzzzz
slim egret
I have a miner
But I just lvled it up for maps
Lol
It prolly won't take long to lvl up to 80 for all crafters
carmine basin
U ok scree
heady shadow
no.
I h@ve @ piece of shit l@ptop th@t w@s supposed to be fucking new. I dont even put it through that much shit and in two years this stupid keyboard shit happens
heady shadow
probably has to do with the stress from my job making it worse
heady shadow
My older laptop lasted for damn near 8 years
the thing that killed it was chrome.
Melted the fan stuff because for some reason chrome needs more then 4gb of ram.
from a 4gb ram intel laptop
heady shadow
yes
carmine basin
I vaguely remember chrome had a ram problem
My laptop slowed down whenever I have it open too, and it uses a lot of memory
desert stone
Chrome has a bad habit of clogging up all your memory cause it'll keep growing
And then explode
heady shadow
ye, got a red screen
this was after a mobo replacement which... when i accidently put full wall power into the charger port.....
anyway, we are off topic
Man fighting OG wol
nits
rare sinew
Like.. legit blew my mind I could fly from costa to the wine place
Like 10/10 best thing to happe
carmine basin
Going through ARR maps for something you need is less annoying now
heady shadow
shame cant go too high
desert stone
Flying in the ARR areas has been super convenient
rare sinew
Ooo i just realized there were a couple of areas that you cant reach unless you fly
carmine basin
No more trying to figure out which path to take
heady shadow
some mobs
rare sinew
No needing to shame walk when you fall into of witch drop 
heady shadow
and a npc mount to go back to the Sahagin beast tride place
rare sinew
Are the pirate ships there
heady shadow
theres boats with sahagin ships
rare sinew
Lul
desert stone
Nice
heady shadow
Hmm.... thats is a wreird sentence i wrote....
rare sinew
desert stone
I'm sure people will appreciate that
heady shadow
far enough away that normal say chat wont hit the screen of some asshole
carmine basin
what if we erp in the moonshade isle 😳 👉 👈
rare sinew
desert stone
It'll be the new Goldshire
rare sinew
Wasnt there?
carmine basin
Yea nier furniture
carmine basin
Not sure how to unlock them since I didn't check
desert stone
I dunno, I haven't done much so far this patch
Just ran the raid and most of the MSQ
desert stone
Been busy with coordinating work cause...uh
half tendon
nier furniture is just instantly craftable, it's level 80
needs a mat you can buy from the material suppliers in housing districts
rare sinew
Ya got
Msq
Raid
Trial ex
Dwarves
Uhhh
desert stone
Workplace got locked down due to someone testing positive for Covid and now I'm in charge of trying to help with the distant learning program
carmine basin
rare sinew
Oh new custom delivery
carmine basin
LOL
desert stone
rare sinew
Also rip @desert stone
desert stone
It's great, Aoi
We got locked out of the admin side too cause higher ups decided to switch systems
So the staff is locked out as well
rare sinew
I understand the pain
desert stone
Presumably, there's going to be lots of angry parents next week
But that's not 5.3 spoilers
Oh, that's annoying
FF14housing doesn't have the 5.3 stuff
restive robin
I swear to god this is my all time favorite cutscene. Even the one after with the ascian dude is great.
AHHH! A DAGGER IN MY HEART!!
Hes so dramatic
untold gull
Out of everything, urianger becoming more dramatic is most definitely the best change in this game 
rare sinew
The scions are just a bunch dorks
restive robin
Exactly
rare sinew
Fish and meat bread eating nerds
untold gull
ngl, my favourite part in that cutscene is y'shtola sipping tea like a queen
restive robin
Urianger doing the jojo pose is the best
Also the ear and tail animations on graha tia was just square showing off at that point
rare sinew
No jojo pose urianger in gif search
untold gull
I swear, everyone has a screenshot of raha's ears perking up
rare sinew
untold gull
Hahahaha
untold gull
Bless the people who posted all those gifs for us to use
rare sinew
THATS motion capture
That aint no hand animation
Might be
But very very well done
untold gull
It's motion capture
rare sinew
Like.. the way the whole body shakes
untold gull
Can be done by hand but ain't nobody got time for that
desert stone
Yeah
stuck yarrow
all those animations are so good
desert stone
It could also be done by physics programming but I don't think many studios use those
rare sinew
Doubt it
restive robin
The animations in this scene were SO PERFECT
rare sinew
So much easier to just motion capture if the facilities are available
restive robin
And the voice acting made me burst out laughing
desert stone
I only say this because my uncle always gets upset with how much people do by hand instead of math
untold gull
I'm just glad we're getting all those little things because it might mean graphical overhaul 
restive robin
AHHH, A DAGGER THROUGH MY HEART
stuck yarrow
what? you mean G'raha needed more than 32 pixels on his crystal texture?
restive robin
Kills me everytime dude
rare sinew
THIS PIECE OF BREAD HAS A BILLION POLYGONS
untold gull
Man, i just want a bit higher res for some texture. Like the bread.
desert stone
Clearly bread needs to attain the same level of texturing as Skyrim/FO4 mods
rare sinew
YOU CAN SEE EACH INDIVIDUAL PROCEDURELY GENERATED CRUMB
untold gull
Man, this is never gonna get old
rare sinew
I swear.. i thought my game bugged when I saw the exarch
untold gull
Dat milk tho
rare sinew
Dat confident milk pour
restive robin
Yeah, but at least we got a blueberry flavored exarch pop
untold gull
My reaction every time i see the pixels tho 
restive robin
rare sinew
I mean, I'd take another 1GB hard drive space for High rez Exarch
restive robin
Nah, bread
rare sinew
The glowy bits were 👍
restive robin
and water
rare sinew
Gotta do high rez milk too
restive robin
The last words from elidibus hurt me so much more than emet
rare sinew
And ANIMATED ROLLING SWEAT
restive robin
“The rain has ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day... but you’re not here to see it...”
restive robin
I know
untold gull
I'm kinda excited to see what the cutscenes would look like on 5.4 tbh
restive robin
I was on the verge of tears, so seeing those seto and runar scenes right after made me cry
stuck yarrow
that little animation of Alisaie throwing G'raha's staff back at him
untold gull
topless g'raha sweat?
stuck yarrow
adorable
untold gull
stuck yarrow
The little bit we've gotten of Alisaie and G'raha's interactions are so cute
restive robin
Yeah graha is so cute when hes not fighting for the first lol
stuck yarrow
they're boutta start a WoL fanclub
rare sinew
Did you talk to Alisae when ur back?
restive robin
Like the interactions after were just so dorky
stuck yarrow
yeah
restive robin
yeah
rare sinew
She talks about training Graha since he's the junior
stuck yarrow
talking about hazing the new guy
rare sinew
I was gonna say Awww
restive robin
Even though graha tia is lvl 80
rare sinew
But yeah.. hazing
restive robin
rare sinew
Even tho Graha is an all rounder
restive robin
Or at least my graha is lvl 80
rare sinew
Which Alisae has a LB trigger finger
stuck yarrow
i wonder if Lyse will appear again next patch
desert stone
YOU MAKE HIM FIGHT ALL THE PRIMALS INSTEAD
stuck yarrow
now that we're back on the source
desert stone
rare sinew
Lyse who?
restive robin
Fuck lyse shes an idiot
stuck yarrow
she's been completely MIA since 4.56 lmao
restive robin
I hope we find out lyse is dead
rare sinew
Kinda.. kinda crazy we're like Yeah we crossed dimensions etc
stuck yarrow
but
imagine
MNK trust
desert stone
Maybe she didn't do too well in popularity polls
restive robin
If she comes back ill kill her myself
rare sinew
Lyse is like, yeah. I did.fuck all
desert stone
Hey, maybe she's busy preventing Primal summonings
stuck yarrow
better watch out, the other trust members will do it for you
restive robin
I didnt know what a stack marker was until I did trust
Because nobody taught me
and I somehow never had one over my head
carmine basin
Faded copy To The Edge costs 350k ish, need it for the Eternal Wind - Shadowbringers roll
stuck yarrow
who knows, maybe if Ishikawa gets her hands on her she'll become good
carmine basin
Should I dip or wait 
desert stone
Uh
rare sinew
Umm
rare sinew
^
restive robin
I got lucky and never had one over my head
Actually I think I did but nobody told me what it was
rare sinew
Im.. pretty sure there were raids/trials with stack before??
desert stone
It shows up in Final Steps of Faith, as an example
restive robin
Yeah true
desert stone
But people occasionally wipe the party because they all scatter at the stack marker
subtle pasture
Arya and G'raha basically have the same shtick now, esp considering G'raha wasn't even a mage back in CT
carmine basin
And you never stacked with the others when that marker shows up?
rare sinew
hiss
carmine basin
Rip. Well at least you know now
rare sinew
👏
subtle pasture
I also adore Tartaru's "btw the staff is fashioned from a piece of the Tower"
restive robin
I didnt do side content other then the ones I needed to back then
stuck yarrow
rip archer G'raha
restive robin
I love how thancred steals the money and runs off with it at the end of shadowbringers
desert stone
Aren't we using gear that would be considered significantly better than what Tataru makes?
stuck yarrow
? you mean his bullets
subtle pasture
LOL, it's probably a bag of aether cartridges, cuz he can't make his own,
Ryne use to make 'em but, uh,
Shtola does now
rare sinew
I mean, he joins alisae in the mayhem
desert stone
It's mentioned a couple of times but according to the in-game lore, we're a walking national treasury
restive robin
He had the bullets on his outfit so
subtle pasture
Pretty sure it was aether cartridges, hence why Y'shtola had 'em,
stuck yarrow
y'shtola and thancred conspiring to rob us
restive robin
Like on his gunbreaker armour it looks like he has the bullets on him
stuck yarrow
it's futile
rare sinew
OH OH!
Alisae saying she's about doing something stupid and asking Alphi to cover her
stuck yarrow
no one will protect them from tataru
rare sinew
Got a giggle outta me
restive robin
lol
subtle pasture
I need to rewatch that CS,
desert stone
Random junk
stuck yarrow
Alisaie finally got to lb3
subtle pasture
so cute.
desert stone
Could you imagine having to dig through the WoL's bag?
restive robin
You can just steal the gil BUT YOU BETTER WATCH OUT
desert stone
THE HORROR
stuck yarrow
soon alphinaud will also be joining the ranks of the blind
desert stone
"How long has this egg been in your bag, WoL?"
restive robin
If you even stole from them you would have to go against somebody with irl plot armour
subtle pasture
Honestly why not have Urianger make his aetherical bullets,
desert stone
(Since ARR)
restive robin
Aka blessing of light
restive robin
Its basically plot armour
carmine basin
I wish crystal exarch's... crystal shows up in key inventory
stuck yarrow
make him like
desert stone
Urianger is too busy using his aether to dab on people
carmine basin
Technically he's there with your rotten food and stinky armor
So was the other scions
subtle pasture
Using his aether for cryptic dialogue and JoJo poses
restive robin
Theres no hiding from the WoL. They can see you on the map.
stuck yarrow
a special blade that sucks aether from the environment and imbues the cartridges itself
subtle pasture
I hope Krile stays relevant for the rst of 5.X,
desert stone
Too bad you can't give the crystal to your Anima
subtle pasture
girl was putting in work Source side,
subtle pasture
see how tired she was when we checked in on 'em 
restive robin
Tbh I dont really care for krile
rare sinew
What, you dont want Krile to just get kidnapped through an expansion and be useless after that?
Psssh
restive robin
I mashed through ARR and stormbloods story
subtle pasture
Her story's mostly in Eureka 
restive robin
I heard heavensward and shadowbringers were good so I payed attention to only them
rare sinew
It tells the tale of Brave Namazu
restive robin
Eureka bad
rare sinew
Didnt ya know? The golden carp spoketh
subtle pasture
Eureka story good, Eureka systems meh
restive robin
subtle pasture
Yeahhh,
I use to have the expedition logs saved up as a summary for people but I think I lost thosse files,
prob somewhere on the internet
restive robin
If I ever have to do that shitshow eureka to progress mainstory I swear the fucking god I will LOSE IT
subtle pasture
Bc there's a journal-keeping NPC who keeps the gist of what's happening
considering the story goes off the rails late Pagos
restive robin
I HATE THAT SON OF A BITCH EUREKADJJDUCDKJKJDUXN
I died like 50 times even trying to do ANYTHING there
Because I started as my normal smn
But switched to rdm when I realized the true utility
subtle pasture
Needed to chill out in FATE trains really, all that ever gets stuff done nowadays
stuck yarrow
Isn't eureka just rdm breeding ground
restive robin
yes
subtle pasture
But, we're getting Eureka But Better (and it really is so much better looking so far) in a month
bc it's also for LEVELLING
stuck yarrow
AHAH, your first mistake was playing as anything other than RDM
restive robin
I HATE GRINDING SHIT
desert stone
I played RDM for the raise title
subtle pasture
I... welcome to JRPGs
desert stone
subtle pasture
restive robin
This game is less grindy than others so
subtle pasture
You haven't done many relics, then
unreal wadi
Now give me your gil
subtle pasture
but yeah, relic grindfest aside, BSF looks decent
unreal wadi
im looking forward to it
restive robin
IM NOT
subtle pasture
I just hope Critical Engagements don't get toooo toxic,
not toxic, but,
tedious?
restive robin
Will you guys be mad if I say I boosted most of my classes out of sheer lazyness
subtle pasture
like I hope queuing for 'em isn't too bad, and they that they spawn frequently enough to offset it
subtle pasture
oh I know that feel, I honestly boosted MNK on my main
bc I am never
ever
doing 30-60 again
restive robin
I started as whm but switched to smn for raid content
stuck yarrow
eureka is just FFXI but worse
subtle pasture
FFXI w/ a graphics upgrade and no towns
carmine basin
Dun wanna do SoS ex 
stuck yarrow
I'm 2 levels away from leveling blm enough to run with G'raha yeet
icy locust
sick moon
icy locust
random anvil
Yo is there a list for the portable archive for PuppersBunker?
wet crown
onyx sundial
unique verge
You lost?
gaunt star
eureka wasn't that grindy it was like 90 mobs/level
unique verge
lol
ember tulip
so...am i the only one that wonder...what's the device we found on the factory that gave to 2P that she used just before the bunker exploded in thr mountain? it didnt looked like either yorha or machine lifeform made... it actually looked closer to something you would find being made in this star
drowsy idol
This swansong for the ShB MSQ was near perfect. Like 99% until the final cutscene
This should've been the end of the ascian arc. it was set up for that. But no, another bloody one
The fact they're bringing back Zenos and more ascians already has me nervous for the next expansion
ember tulip
yeah...but i dont think his agenda is to ressurect zordiak
drowsy idol
Reeks of retread
ember tulip
he seems to have his own agenda...and wouldnt be surprised he was the one that made the resonant by posessing the body of the scientist
drowsy idol
Very true, I got that impression to. I suppose they could do old blood vs new blood ascian things. But I dunno, i just felt their arc would've been distinctly done with Elidibus.
Ah well
ember tulip
my hopes is that this guy is basically ff14 version of hojo...and he knows what caused the end of times
carmine basin
So the dwarf beast tribe has this bartending mini game you can unlock, and of the customers you can get is Lyna
There are three customers total; a dwarf, a viis, and a pixie. The pixie is Tyr Beq, but not sure who the dwarf is
gaunt star
Yo what weapon is this??
gaunt star
Crafted? Damn
carmine basin
Okay the three customers are Giott, Lyna, and Tyr Beq
turbid aspen
does giott only appear if uve done the healer quests
carmine basin
Not sure, I did do them
hardy rivet
is there a sick mixing animation like the yakuza hnk game
rain onyx
nah
carmine basin
She does show up without a mask
There are three variations of drink, not sure if it'll give different reactions to each of them
I gave Dwarven Decking to Giott, Wicked White to Lyna, and Alcoholic Beaverage to Tyr Beq
turbid aspen
welp looks like tyr beq's a beaver now
carmine basin
This note tho lol
next oriole
zane, is the framerate intentional
icy locust
Sony Vegas was acting crappy tonight and i didnt care that much
turbid aspen
signal solar
Our title is shepherd of the stars
rare sinew
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
turbid aspen
wdym the wol only hangs out in the cities
ivory shadow
So has anyone else contemplated changing their name to Azem? Assuming that's WoL's canon name now
rare sinew
LISTEN HERE SE YOU LIL SHIT
swift kraken
my canon name is my own name
rare sinew
No. Im dicklord fivemalms
turbid aspen
well we're not exactly azem
we're a shard of azem
swift kraken
why would i go up to the ascian saying
rare sinew
Shazem
swift kraken
HEY LOOK WHO I AM BRO
signal solar
8/14
rare sinew
turbid aspen
i just call the wol derplander since i like him the most
carmine basin
My guardian deity is already Azeyma
turbid aspen
cant come up with a proper name for him tho
rare sinew
You worship yourself?
swift kraken
derpidy derpderp
carmine basin
Tho I'm a Raen with a non-japanese name
swift kraken
is pretty good
turbid aspen
i mean au ra in werlyt dont have japanese names
could give an explanation like that
signal solar
They were raised by gaius
turbid aspen
yeah but im sure gaius didnt name them
carmine basin
Iirc raens spread around
turbid aspen
unless he did
in which case he's been watching too much mecha anime
carmine basin
But a lot migrated to Hingashi
turbid aspen
yeah only the white horns migrate to a lot of places
signal solar
Black horns stay in mongolia
grizzled elbow
where do you get Faded copy To The Edge?
carmine basin
I saw in goldentot's vid a derplander cosplayer named Daddy Lander
EX trial, paopao
swift kraken
yep
turbid aspen
xaela girls do nothing but do battle, eat animal guts and lie
carmine basin
I bought it khadame for 350k
swift kraken
signal solar
!me
swift kraken
its 1m on omega
lusty shadowBOT
carmine basin
Now I have eternal wind playing in my estate
grizzled elbow
i see thankss
grizzled elbow
i play in elemental atomos. it costs 300k here;;
swift kraken
signal solar
Elemental has the most players of any dc
carmine basin
The price should go down as more people learn the fight, hopefully
signal solar
I got to add phase
carmine basin
Since non-crafters would just sell it
swift kraken
m farming it with my static and i have laid claim to a singular faded copy so at least i can have the BIG SAD playing in my fc house
the piano music is slaying me
signal solar
Nah, the remix of shadowbringers and amaurot gets me harder
swift kraken
its a different kind of gets me
piano gives me the BIG SAD and to the edge gives me the BIG EPIC
swift kraken
i just remember graha crystallising and then i just 
they have to have fucking. piano eternam winds and instrumental tomorrow and tomorrow playing in EVERY SAD scene
my trauma songs
swift kraken
fuck man im mad too i wanna go up there
carmine basin
rare sinew
Do CT again
swift kraken
finally
rare sinew
LITERALLY THE SAME SOUL
carmine basin
Have you tried taking G'raha to Dohn Mheg, khadame
signal solar
Graha at home doesn't have crystal arms
rare sinew
You can do that urself at home
gaunt star
unique verge
Yes why would you tell a literally soulless statue "hey it worked!"
hardy rivet
you know
he left a statue there for other people to see, but, can anyone actually get into the tower
unique verge
Its not sealed or anything, never was (outside of that one occasion where he sealed Elidibus in)
rare sinew
He succeeded to save amaurot to become zodiark but then he lost his purpose and started to become a primal based on hope?
Friend's thought on Elidibus
Is that wrong?
swift kraken
the worst part of this patch is knowing my wol had to walk up the fucking giant staircase everytime to get to the ocular
why
unique verge
The crystarium guards literally escort you up and down the stairs so presumably you can just.....walk in
rare sinew
Actually, what happened with Elidibus
unique verge
Its wrong in my eyes. He was sacrificed as part of the summoning ritual that created Zodiark. The Elidibus that exists afterwards is just an imitation made of aether and fragmented memories.
swift kraken
knowing i had to run up even MORE staircases to get to the top im surprised we didnt just ask elidibus for a moment to catch our breath
unique verge
It's the equivalent of if.....idk, Titan cut off his arm, and then it suddenly started moving around on its own claiming to be a kobold.
hardy rivet
why didnt we just take the eagle to fly up to the top etc
swift kraken
walking up the stairs is cooler
unique verge
I dont think anyone truly knows, not even Elidibus.
Like, he has a general idea of his goal, but towards the end you could see that he really didnt understand it.
Its kind of like a, well, childish version of Emet's goal. Which makes sense, given that Elidibus was a child.
gaunt star
He wanted to save his friends and people. That's all Elidibius knew
open verge
He was?
buoyant hatch
His goal was salvation for all, which is an impossibility, unless there is nothing left
So he'd probably end up consumed with nihilism
gaunt star
His goal was to ressurect Zodiark
he said it b4 the fight
so he can ressurect those who died to summon Zodiark
open verge
But h o w
gaunt star
what he forgot wasnt his goal
unique verge
@open verge i mean, look at the model they chose to use for the end of SoS CS. Look at the echo flashbacks and notice that everyone is tall from his personal point of view. He was a child.
buoyant hatch
That was his duty
gaunt star
that goal became his obsession so he forgot the person he made that promise
plain and simple Elidibus wasnt himself
open verge
Oh ye true
rare sinew
But his duty was to mantain balance
open verge
Wasn’t that a result of always swapping bodies or is that something else?
rare sinew
Sometimes he will work for or against the convocation
gaunt star
uhh Lahabrea weakened himself to ridiculous amounts by changing bodies
Elidibus was a primal
open verge
Oh true
gaunt star
so i doubt switching bodies affected him in any way
pastel coyote
well to add up to the tragedy i wouldn't surprise if he promise that to us and we brush it off as "that's too crazy kid"
unique verge
Yes. Like i said, its the equivalent of if you sliced off one of Titan's arms and then it started acting independently. Elidibus was consumed in the creation of Zodiark.
open verge
Poor guy
gaunt star
but due to the suffering and anger of his ppl ongoing he split himself from Zodiark and since he was consumed the only way to go back was probably as a Primal using their wishes for salvation n shit
buoyant hatch
He probably did promise it to azem, but he forgot him/her
unique verge
in a sense, Elidibus as we encountered him is no more real than the Hythlodaeus creation in The Tempest
They're both just approximations based on aether and memory
rare sinew
I dont see how people theorize that he is a kid
gaunt star
he isnt
gaunt star
but the form he has is probably intentional
unique verge
because of the echo flashbacks
open verge
If the original plan was to cause calamities and cause a rejoin didn’t they already fuck that up?
rare sinew
How else is he gonna hold all those stones
open verge
With the void or some shit
gaunt star
they cant do it anymore
rare sinew
They fucked up once
gaunt star
tho they said they were like 1-2 rejoinings away from releasing Zodiark so uhh
swift kraken
- echo flashbacks he was smol
- "people thought you were ill-suited for the role"
- mini elidibus after the trial
thats the summary of it
open verge
Oh ye I forgot about mini elidibus
unique verge
The idea being "rejoin enough to get Zodiark back, and hopefully Zodiark can split the difference on them failing on the 13th"
swift kraken
is baby. creacher
buoyant hatch
Yeh, he probably was indeed a child
open verge
Poor bab
buoyant hatch
A child in ancient standards tho
rare sinew
open verge
That’s a big burden
swift kraken
the question is why did they let him be the heart of zodiark in the first place if that child theory was the case
gaunt star
in every possible way
open verge
13th became the void right
gaunt star
after Igeyorhms failure
yea
they dont need all the shards to be rejoined anyay
anyway*
open verge
Oh I thought they did
gaunt star
nah
rare sinew
Everyone is 13/14th as tall as usual
unique verge
Well yeah, get enough to get Zodiark back, and hopefully that's enough
rare sinew
No biggie
gaunt star
they said in 5.0? i think that they needed 2 rejoinings
open verge
Zodiark is back
unique verge
Not really.
open verge
Now he wants to murder half the population again
gaunt star
well Zodiark will be back next expansion so
rare sinew
Yay new trial
open verge
Who wants zodiark now anyway
rare sinew
Zodiark crystal mount
open verge
Zenos?
gaunt star
zenos
open verge
Crazy ass mofucka
swift kraken
doesmt he want to murder every shard in exchange for bringing people back
unique verge
Zenos pretty much, from what it seems
gaunt star
who
gaunt star
we dont know
swift kraken
unique verge
wants to hypertune-possess Zodiark
gaunt star
the ascians want to restore him so he can revive them
swift kraken
idk what fandaniel wants
unique verge
and pilot him in a fight against us doign the same with Hydaelyn
open verge
Why did zodiark kill half the population antes
swift kraken
ya but it was in exchange for all life on earth at the time
so i assume the price is the same
open verge
Zenos doesn’t care about anything to be used
unique verge
Basically Zenos wants the most epic confrontation that will ever occur in history. Because its the only thing that would ever satisfy him.
gaunt star
also fandaniel kinda makes it clear hes glad hes no longer shackled to do whatever the ascians intended to do
open verge
That’s why I liked the cutscene
swift kraken
please dont let me give him the satisfaction
unique verge
and the only way for that to happen is to get Zodiark and Hydaelyn as part of the fight
gaunt star
he said he wants to consume or w/e their strength
unique verge
I mean there's probably going to be plenty of manipulation
swift kraken
id actively not do the trial
gaunt star
and with an Ascian on his side going after Zodiark whose weaker now is probably eassier 
swift kraken
gaunt star
So, something to note. Elidibus acting as the heart of Zodiark was probably what directed Zodiark, keeping him on the path to do as the convocation wanted. I wonder what Zodiark is like without Elidibus and if it will still try to act as it did upon it first being summoned
swift kraken
zodiark without elidibus wouldnt exist cause hes his heart isnt he
swift kraken
gaunt star
theres no way they went through all that emotional shit just to say 'the real elidibus is still in zodiark'
open verge
Go home bro
gaunt star
Yeah, he found someone strong enough to beat him and was satisfied in life
thats like saying Emet Selch is alive
Went out on his own terms
open verge
It’s FFXIV
swift kraken
zodiark wouldnt function without being the heart
open verge
No one stays dead
gaunt star
ascians do.
unique verge
Zodiark is a primal
gaunt star
and now that he was denied death and has all this power he wants a second go around
unique verge
Assuming that he "needs the heart" is foolish
open verge
Zodiark is a primal and so is elidibus
swift kraken
isnt the heart a giant power battery
open verge
Is elidibus the equivalent of minfillia?
unique verge
Primals are pure aether.
gaunt star
yes
swift kraken
thats what i got at least
gaunt star
she was the emissary of light
open verge
So is minfillia a primal too?
open verge
Not like many people know about her
gaunt star
she was an ascian of light i guess 
unique verge
Minfillia called herself "akin to an Ascian" before she sac'd herself for Ryne.
swift kraken
venat is presumably also still hydaelyns heart
swift kraken
open verge
I forgot about the ryne part lmao
gaunt star
She was inside Ryne until they fused
also yes Venat is probably still Hydaelyns heart
rare sinew
Who is Venat again..m
gaunt star
and i dont like to think of Zodiark and Hydaelyn as simple primals
rare sinew
swift kraken
well no but they are still primals
rare sinew
Ah. Was Venat part of the convocation?
gaunt star
and became her heart
pastel coyote
nope
open verge
So what did azem do?
gaunt star
uhh no
pastel coyote
azem say fuck you all
gaunt star
azem didnt like the idea to summon zodiark
unique verge
Azem told them both to fuck off
swift kraken
they presumably also exist under similar rules since primals are based on zodi/hyda and not the other way around
open verge
My head
gaunt star
and went au revoir
swift kraken
azem didnt choose a side
open verge
So azem didn’t want to summon gotcha
swift kraken
cause he thought their twitter drama was too stupid
gaunt star
Azem didnt want either of the summons
pastel coyote
"my daily quest before your stupid summoning"
swift kraken
mad respect
unique verge
I imagine that given the timeline of events
open verge
Ok so here’s my thing
gaunt star
he turned down both the convocation members they were a part of and Venat
unique verge
Azem probably tacitly supported Venat, but only because Zodiark was so horrifying.
but not directly
open verge
Lets say the ascians actually succeded what the fuck is stopping zodiark from doing the same shit again?
unique verge
Azem didnt condone that shit
swift kraken
had to be more of a reason than "i just dont feel like it"
open verge
Like couldn’t he one day go nope and kill half the population again
unique verge
I mean, that's exactly what the point was
pastel coyote
that's the point
unique verge
You're forgetting the conversations with Emet
unique verge
Emet literally said "after all the rejoinings, we're gonna sacrifice all the survivors to Zodiark to put things back the way they were"
pastel coyote
break free and use the life of sundered to revive the unsundered
open verge
Do we not know what caused zodiark to do that tho
gaunt star
and then emet is like 'nah fam ure the best friend fk rejoining'
open verge
Was he just bored
swift kraken
whether zodiark can actually bring back dead people
pastel coyote
he need aether
swift kraken
who knows
unique verge
Its a primal
gaunt star
he can
swift kraken
unique verge
They dont operate for free
open verge
I saw that has him realizing it was pointless
swift kraken
it doesnt count
gaunt star
HE STILL DID IT
swift kraken
sri lakshmi cant for one
gaunt star
and it was a deleted cutscene anyway
unique verge
Like, Zodiark ate half the population as "payment" for fixing the Final Days
swift kraken
she just brought back a soulless husk
open verge
Necromancy is ingame 
gaunt star
titan sacrificed himself
unique verge
essentially
pastel coyote
well to "rewrite the law of reality" to "revive the dead" i don't know which one is the craziest
swift kraken
if he takes the sundered as a payment
wouldnt he like
have notjing to revive the ancient ones with
gaunt star
ure playing FFXIV Saki
swift kraken
i assume he doesnt just want the body
gaunt star
we are beyond that shit
open verge
I guess the entire point is the plan was always stupid
And would probably never work
gaunt star
xd
swift kraken
we dont know what zodiark is capable of but neither do they
open verge
To much shit left to chance
hardy rivet
the ascians are tempered you can't trust them.... dta, especially yourself
swift kraken
theyre rolling the dice
unique verge
The plan was indeed always stupid and probably never would work. But the factor you have to keep in mind is that all of the Ascians are tempered to Zodiark
gaunt star
the ascians never lied to us
gaunt star
but they will always want to cause the rejoining
pastel coyote
the ascian think they are right, like everybody
pastel coyote
they don't see the point in lying
open verge
Not damdaniel
swift kraken
i wonder if there is going to be some way eventually to reverse a tempering
gaunt star
famdaniel is a special case
unique verge
I think what made Emet such a compelling character though....is that he become self-aware of his tempering and i think in the very end, realized that it was misleading him. In his final moments.
gaunt star
and the most interesting part to me is he is a convocation member
pastel coyote
well it's seem there is a way to revert a tempering but
open verge
He is?
open verge
I didn’t know he was
swift kraken
he is
gaunt star
did u not see his face
open verge
What’s that mean
unique verge
Red Mask = Convocation
gaunt star
unique verge
Its just that he's sundered
swift kraken
and fandaniel has the first crystal you find during the 5.3 cutscenes
open verge
I always forget the lore guys sorry
open verge
This is getting spicy
unique verge
Black masks are, as far as I am aware, just normal people who get given crystals to make them into black masks
pastel coyote
if you can bring back the internal aether to the way it was, maybe the tempering can be override
gaunt star
black masks are sundered ascians AND normal people
swift kraken
id be surprised if they dont somehow reveal fandaniel was unsundered all along
pastel coyote
but it's just a theory based on the sin-eater affliction
open verge
Those ascian just exist to start shit
gaunt star
shut it
unique verge
Who knows. Fandaniel is basically The Dark Knight's Joker version of a villain. Speculation at this point is likely not to end up correct.
pastel coyote
yep
gaunt star
also i wanna punch his face
swift kraken
dollar store emet
pastel coyote
he's more a clown than anything
gaunt star
he had to go ahead and pick the most punchable face of eorzea man
unique verge
The most punchable face?
gaunt star
yes
unique verge
I think you mean the second most
swift kraken
asahi has the most punchable face