i didnt see it coming at all
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
floral schooner
I knew the trail was going to be Elidibus because ofc but the form he took
tough fern
I got that he saw himself as the WoL but I didn't think he would literally become him
kindred rampart
wish the Crystal Tower Fending set looked half as good in comparison lol
heady shadow
heroes guntlet i think had references to most FF games
floral schooner
And that he tricked daring good doers over the rift to attack us
unreal hound
kain broke our airship
floral schooner
So good
placid sail
yoko taro is a goblin and it's great
placid sail
that music unf
floral schooner
Fucking fauth boy frogging the adds
placid sail
so on point for the entire patch
unreal hound
such a good dungeon
pine epoch
From how yorha looks in 14, it seems like a AU nier but still from another world.
kindred rampart
at least they found a way to implement the carnival music from automata
pine epoch
As the current iteration of 9s and 2b dont seem like ending D or ending E
floral schooner
See I was always wondering how that could be possible that androids exist on the first but they can be literal aliens
Its just the shard that gets rejoined not the universe
tough fern
Titania scolding us once again for not seeking her aid
coarse pond
Don't worry it will be ending F or whatever ending there was for eating a fish
:uwucarby:
unreal hound
K
heady shadow
g
floral schooner
So yeah nier could just be happening on another plannet
kindred rampart
@coarse pond yeah dark apocalypse is just the final hallucination they had before they malfunctioned from the fish
pine epoch
Them being from another world is kinda sad as it doesnt explain how space works for the shards. Thus retaining the they exist in hammer space and just see the same stars the source does. Which is alright. Makes sense kinda cause as far as we know the only way to enter the shards is the rift
Cause the copout is portal
Which isnt far out as nier wouldnt exist without a joke ending in drakengard where a portal opens and the red dragon crashes on nier earth and wipes out humanity
floral schooner
It would also fit with "man kind being dead" because for all they know up in space with the flood they are
heady shadow
portals are fun
unique verge
inb4 unsundered Source is Earth and that's how Nier stuff can be canon.
unreal hound
first?
kindred rampart
kindred rampart
floral schooner
She's thinking about how she wants to * * * * him
kindred rampart
yeah she's really good at ||k||||i||||l||||l||ing him
placid sail
hold hands with
pine epoch
But ya. I have a strong feeling 5.5 ends with us getting a G Warrior Mini a small compact version of G warrior designed for Adventurers to fly around and look cool as a reward mount. As there is that ironworks employee talking about wanting to adjust the boosters so they can be used for long distance flight in future models
gaunt star
So mini mumble talk
unreal hound
WAIT
yoshida has drawn the warrior of light before
gaunt star
How do you guys feel they ended up handling the whole
Warrior of Light vs Warrior of Darkness concept?
carmine basin
Is that Yoshida?
unreal hound
if its not its definitely his style
rare sinew
Just readin some messages frm earlier. Im kinda glad other people also find some of the mechanics unclear
kindred rampart
50 mechs filling up a ARR map
carmine basin
His style is more like bravely and FFXII
pine epoch
But ya I want g warrior mount
pine epoch
I will give shb a 0 out of 10 review on purpose if we dont get it
pine epoch
I think she is going to be given command of the weapon project. But is going to have bad things happen to her
Valens does not seem wholesome at all
He is not rated child friendly
unreal wadi
@pine epoch you arent the only one who wants the gundam as a mount
polar star
70% of the budget went into animating Valens sweat
unreal wadi
can we talk about terncliff?
heady shadow
yes
kindred rampart
@polar star or 70% went into the milk
unreal wadi
if this is a preview of what's to come in garlemald
pine epoch
I actually kinda feel theres a 50/50 coin flip that wyrlet questline becomes mandatory for 6.0
unreal wadi
im fucking hyped
rare sinew
70% went into animating the bread
polar star
70% = Valens sweat. 20% = Archon Bread. 10% everything else
polar star
Valens sweat is unnervingly well animated
rare sinew
Like, with the glowy bits
unreal hound
minecraft boy
unreal wadi
rare sinew
Instead of minecraft texture pack
unreal wadi
sapphire weapon still down there
kindred rampart
pretty sure the weapon quest line will be mandatory
Bozja will be low priority unless the quests are all story progression without having to keep up your standing
pine epoch
Ilsibard is probably going to be the 2nd most diverse continent with its landscape. The far north where garlemald is snow land, south west lush trees and mountain side. South east apocalypse
quartz charm
How good will the Crystal Exarch look
"oh no graha, youre becoming a PS2 texture!"
polar star
Norvrandt is easily the most diverse
tough fern
2B: Walks in, points sword
Dwarves: Scatters
2B: Walks back in
pine epoch
I think there was also something about a desert as well
polar star
It's just missing a snow area
polar star
shrug
kindred rampart
sad they didn't have to time or budget to show her carrying 9S away like in automata and the game cover
quartz charm
well il mheg is supposed to be coerthas right?
pine epoch
Yes
polar star
Yes
pine epoch
Il mheg is coerthas
quartz charm
i guess snow areas are elsewhere
pine epoch
Norvrant is as diverse as eorzea is
pine epoch
1.0 eorzea specifically
polar star
Who
tough fern
2B
polar star
ok
quartz charm
also i just realized that thats why ishgard is so poorly equipped to deal with winter
theyve only had it for a few years
unreal wadi
Dalamud falling really changed the environment
polar star
Yeah, I don't know why tbh
pine epoch
I'm hyped to explore ilsibard. I kinda feel 5.5 will end with us taking a City in ilsibard that's a strategical location and we wont be able to travel to it as they will be fortifying it to make sure they can keep it. Then in 6.0 the city will be our crystarium/kugane of the expac. With garlemald either getting the ala mhigo treatment or it will be the 6.0 equivalent of eulmore/idyllshire/mor Donna ect.
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pine epoch
The command doesnt show mini guide
Nor will it show mount guide
Only the item description
polar star
"There are several theories as to how a beastkin native to the mist-covered peaks of southeastern Ilsabard ended up thousands of leagues away from its home...and most involve an unhealthy infatuation with the furry creature by a certain Imperial Legatus."
That's the description
pine epoch
Since they want to return to 3 and a half month patch cycle 5.4 eden finale and the prologue start of 6.0 begins in mid November or early mid december
Scion orgy when? @wet crown
muted bolt
#questions-and-help
@wet crown Thanks and sorry, thought I was on that channel lol
tough fern
This is how it ends
ashen violet
wait so is the elidibus we fought the heart of zodiark elidibus or is it an additional primal to zodiark that the ancients summoned to help them recover from terminus?
tough fern
That's it???
pine epoch
They purposefully designed it to be a cliffhanger @tough fern
carmine basin
Yea Tali
pine epoch
Yoko trolling ua
coarse pond
Pls stop cliffhangers
tough fern
We really have to wait until spring of next year to find out what happens lol
pine epoch
I have a feeling since 5.2 they had a in between quest for the nier raid 5.4 might have one
coarse pond
😩 😩 😩
tough fern
Though I will say Anogg most likely decided to follow 2B
carmine basin
What if Yoko Taro's trolling is "HAHA YOU ALL THOUGHT THIS WOULD HAVE MORE NIER LORE"
ashen violet
knowing yoko I have a feeling anogg's probably dead by the time we find her
carmine basin
Though honestly I don't think he'd go that far
polar star
Couldn't care less about NieR
ashen violet
dead, or worse
pine epoch
@ashen violet he is zodiarks heart. He decided at some point to better help save the world he needed to eject from zodiark
tough fern
I have a feeling since 5.2 they had a in between quest for the nier raid 5.4 might have one
@pine epoch
Oh yeah. So December then
pine epoch
Thus zodiark is now a lifeless husk of untold power with no will
ashen violet
primed perfectly for a new possessor, eh 🤔
pine epoch
5.4 will either be a november present or a Christmas present let us seeeeeeeeee
hardy rivet
I liked the bread part
wary perch
That texture is correct for that bread though
Given the stuff that get shoved into that bread
But my cannon is that that bread is actually 
hardy rivet
they couldve gone further with the bread. made it look green and moist
quartz charm
That texture is correct for that bread though
thats the joke, bread has better textures than the main character for this whole patch
wary perch
Fitting though
wary perch
Since that bread is so majestic no one dare to touch it
noble tartan
I need bread glamour
Give us textures of bread
and the polygons of 1.0 flower pots
stuck yarrow
That bread clattered on the plate like it was rock
wary perch
Tataru bake the shit and bring to the first and everyone on the first evade it like it's vaultry bum
craggy gale
untold gull
wdym evade it. they said it's actually bad. but being a staple of their homeland, it's endearing and helps with restoring their aether and in a weird sort of way, they all like it. they just need the right drink. that's why krile asked for sweet tea from tataru to wash down the bread
wary perch
I read it as finding excuse just to not eat the bread
pine epoch
If we lived in a world with such kind of magic bread. I'd put about 4 or 5 thin slices of turkey, slice up 1 whole jalapeno and spread it nice and even across the Turkey, apply 3 slices of tomatoes, then 2 slices of cheese. Finishing off with a layer of mustard. There is my patent sandwich
hexed mango
Does anybody know the name of the song that plays when G'raha turns to crystal after you beat Elidibus
I like that song
pine epoch
I think it is new
hexed mango
you see that's the thing
I can't tell if it's new
or it's a classic FF song redone for this game
because it has a classic feel to it
and I really like it
reminds me of simpler times
pine epoch
Could be a slow eternal wind
hexed mango
Sounds nothing like Eternal Wind
pine epoch
As soken I think did make a rendition of eternal wind that's slow paced
And more sad
Then I dont know
I'd have to rewatch that cutscene
tough fern
Oof that image
Can tell how development was affected
Exarch's crystal textures were so bad
unreal wadi
the jp players
figured a good way to chip the first adds in puppets bunker
Saving LB2 for casters definitely helped, a lot
pine epoch
I think the bad texture exarch adds weight to the crystallization also the outfit probably wasnt designed to be crystalized so each polygon with the effect
Kinda well
As the picture shows
unique verge
The crystal effect is being applied as a second skin on top of the model. You can tell at some angles.
So i dont really know that they could have done much better given how they implemented it
tough fern
Possibly
carmine basin
Would using the wind up mystel minion spoil other players
I wanna use it but I feel bad if I'd spoil
tough fern
Though the custom animations they gave graha at the end
Perfect
For everyone in general
More of those animations for our character please
wary pond
tbh elidbus becoming WoL was unexpected
coarse pond
😩
noble tartan
wary pond
thought we gonna have dark boss like every ascian
limpid elm
Story did go on to say that it was his doing that the WoL exists in every shard.
So it makes sense that he would use that form to banish us 'evil-doers'
wary pond
again
he is dark aspected ascian
how he can use light element
but i guess its faith previledge
from other shards WoLs
noble tartan
Ascians have control over aether that you can't even imagine
Emet fished Shtola out of the lifestream with a snap
limpid elm
He's a primal based on hope. He's using the 'warriors of light' he summoned to fuel his power.
And that's why he can appear like that. Has nothing to do with light and darkness.
noble tartan
Aether is just aether I suppose
Just because he's an edgy boi doesnt mean he can't use light aether or appear shiny
wary perch
Is he the 2nd primal that convocation summoned or is he a part of zordiak?
I'm confused about this part
wary pond
he is zodiark heart
noble tartan
Sort of like Shiva for example
unique verge
I mean, as far as why he looks the way he does, its because he's emulating Azem - he just cant remember why that's ironic as fuck for him to do against us.
untold gull
lol, no, fandaniel is ascian. he ain't venat
noble tartan
If we are Azem, the original WoL, that means we sure aren't Venat so that theory should be dead
wary pond
venat is ascian too
unique verge
We're certainly not Venat lol
gaunt star
Fandaniel isn't Venat lmao
unique verge
Fandaniel also has no reason to lie about his name to Zenos, which is the only person who is aware of it.
So assuming that he's someone else is a bit silly
untold gull
isn't ascian mostly refer to the convocation who summoned zodiark
untold gull
since their race is just referred to as the ancients
gaunt star
Did you just skip the last cutscene then or
Kinda hard to miss the flamboyant money man ascian calling himself Fandaniel
lilac crest
The ascian inside asahi’s body
limpid elm
He should have been at the end of the last patch cutscene if I'm thinking that's the guy
wary perch
Venat is not ascian
wary pond
all we know is he wasnt there when end of days happened
so he was born after
unique verge
Now, did they survive the final days? who fucking knows
prisma vine
venat was an ANCIENT.
wary perch
I mean the elidibus we fought. I'm not sure he is part of zordiak, or a new primal or a vessel created by zordiak
limpid elm
He is the heart after all.
unique verge
The elidibus we fought was basically just an imitation. The real elidibus was long gone.
untold gull
ascians are the people who summoned zodiark
limpid elm
...
untold gull
afaik anyway
prisma vine
ascians are the masked guys causing mayhem trying to bring back zodiark. the ANCIENTS are just the tall dudes who go weeeen woonn n look cute.
unique verge
You're drawing distinctions where there are none.
wary perch
There are
limpid elm
They're all ancients but Ascians are disciples trying to bring Zodiark back.
prisma vine
ANCIENTS who were on the convocation summoned zodiark
wary perch
And very distinct
wary pond
ascians is the name eorzea ppl call the masked ppl
limpid elm
No matter if they are sundered or not.
wary pond
be it ancient or not
coarse pond
wary pond
so ascians = ancient
unique verge
Gotta sell high until it saturates
limpid elm
No.
wary perch
Ascian are the convocation who tempered by zordiak, while Venat and her gang are the other ancients who summon hydaelyn
gaunt star
Saying Venat is an Ascian is massively misleading as it implies she and the others who summoned Hydaelyn are affiliated with the villains we've been fighting all game
unreal wadi
Im kinda glad I got it first try then
wary perch
Different Identity
limpid elm
@gaunt star 
btw
unique verge
Either way, the player has nothing in common with either group.
gaunt star
Ascians specifically refers to the guys we've been fighting. You wouldn't call Hythlodaeus an Ascian cause he isn't one
prisma vine
ASCIANS are the ones trying to bring him back. UNSUNDERED ascians are ones who were ancients and stayed that way for ages and ages trying to bring back zodiark. SUNDERED ascians are the ones who were normal mortal people with soul pieces that USE TO BE on the convocation who got given sorta soul crystal things to be raised up to how they use to be.
unique verge
Since Azem said fuck off to both of them.
untold gull
limpid elm
'Got more travelling to do and I don't care for your squabbles.'
wary perch
Yes azem has nothing to do with this two group but grouping these 2 group and said they are the same is massive misconception
untold gull
label what
limpid elm
Since they are still trying to wipe everyone not ancients off the map.
wary perch
@limpid elm more like gotta busy saving people than doing argument over the table
prisma vine
the tall dudes in amaurot with no identifying features are SHADES created by emet selch, an UNSUNDERED ascian. ANCIENTS still had faces n hair n eyes n all that but because these are simply recreations, they lack detail
HYTHLODAEUS is HYTHLODAEUS
limpid elm
Unsundered ancient mind.
unique verge
......
prisma vine
ok i did all that just to say that last one. forgive me
limpid elm
But I'll watch the cutscene if I can get the time for it today :S PSO2 is too addictive
unique verge
HYTHLODAEUS is HYTHLODAEUS
@prisma vine
Yes, because we clearly were mistaking him for Zenos
prisma vine
I LOVE THAT HE'S SUCH AN ENIGMA THO WE KNOW SO MUCH AND YET SO LITTLE
wary perch
@limpid elm no Venat want to summon hydaelyn to stop zordiak to keep sacrifing half of the world to revive their breathe while ascian/convocation want to sacrifice half of the world to revive their breathen
prisma vine
i saw people say he was the shade in the trial lmao
limpid elm
How?
wary pond
it was emet
unique verge
You cant classify someone as an ascian or not based on whether or not they're persuing rejoining though.
limpid elm
That was Emet
unique verge
because Fandaniel doesnt give two shits about rejoinings. Does this make him not an Ascian? No
prisma vine
oh did he say that?
untold gull
that was emet's shade in the trial
signal solar
nah hythlodaeus is obivously dumbledore from the lord of the rings anime girls und panzer which is an adaptation of the earlier work titled mrs kobayashi's dragon maid
wary pond
the way he emotted good bye says everything
prisma vine
did he say "i don't care about the rejoinings"
limpid elm
I wonder though... because Fandaniel is being shown as a villain? But that was last patch.
wary pond
that it was emet
unique verge
Go watch the final cutscene again
carmine basin
Hythlodaeus is WoL /s
untold gull
lol
prisma vine
OH I KNOW THATS WHY IT WAS WILD TO SEE PEOPLE LIKE "hurr its hythlodaeus"
wary perch
Ascian as group is classified as the convocation members who summoned zordiak and get tempered by him
prisma vine
its clear it was emet lol
signal solar
nah its a representation of azems soul
untold gull
how
wary pond
no
untold gull
emet created the crystal
prisma vine
lmao
untold gull
azem had no hand in making it, only that emet created it for his friend
wary perch
Who are talking about now? Hyh?
prisma vine
i love this i cant wait for yoshida to be like "actually it was nabreales" or smth lmfao
untold gull
it's emet's power in the crystal
gaunt star
Game: "We will never know what the deal is with this thing"
Players: IT CAN ONLY BE THIS THING
Never change
prisma vine
ikr
untold gull
lol
unique verge
The Hyth conversation only gives one possibility to it though
prisma vine
and yet
viscid monolith
Why are you guys making such a big thing about this? Ascians are the people attempting to resurrect Zodiark. Fandaniel does count as an Ascian, because he was in that group before he defected and joined Zenos. Ancient is the name we're calling their entire race.
wary perch
The hyh that we met is a shade created by emet
wary perch
And it is emet doing that hyh leave all those crystal to wod
unique verge
There's zero evidence that the shade that appeared in SoS is Azem. There's tons of evidence that its Emet's failsafe.
viscid monolith
An Ascian is also an ancient. An ancient is not an an Ascian unless they are in the particular cult we're fighting.
untold gull
which could possibly explain why he's pretty much self conscious to what's happening around him compared to others
wary perch
And the azem crystal that emet create contain azem Friendship summoning spell which summon emet during the trial
untold gull
literally being saved by power of friendship
gaunt star
Ascian also means "without shadow" though right? Therefore it could only apply to the villainous faction we are fighting with as they literally have no shadows.
prisma vine
i believe it was actual emet, honestly.
untold gull
emet's shade
wary perch
I want to believe is emet summoned back from the lifestream
unique verge
There's zero reason to think that though.
untold gull
still tho, funny how emet had to fight us face to face and elidibus fucking cheated and sent us to the void and emet's just 'nuh-uh, you're fighting them fair and square'
wary perch
Which ofcos mean it's not the real emet but an image of him just like hyhtalos that we met in amoraut
unique verge
The crystals, Hyth telling us what he told us, Emet put all of that in motion.
signal solar
earlier, this was brought up, and an example used to reinforce the side that it was Azem was the DRK quests, we were able to just conjure up a shade of dark of ourselves out of nothing
wary perch
@unique verge yes
unique verge
and the shade was also pre-arranged
prisma vine
i think it was him. my reasoning is how much evidence we have for wol-as-a-psychopomp, the effect when he left, his short story about seeing souls etc, and hyth's comment about how we can't get angry at HIM for what it does
gaunt star
It being a shade of Emet is also thematically appropriate
rare sinew
If only they used a model that had Emet's mask, then we wont be collectively losing it
gaunt star
Emet coming back to help his homie move on
unique verge
I mean that's literally said at one point
wary pond
i mean elidbus isnt required to beat us cleanly
we saw that in his instance in 4.56
gaunt star
Yeah
unique verge
that Emet didnt want Elidibus to fight alone
untold gull
i think that's why they didn't. so we'd collectively lose it lol
signal solar
the drk quests can also explain emets shade
we could have conjured up a representation of him from our mind
unique verge
But thats not a valid explanation beacuse not all players have unlocked DRK
signal solar
yes
unique verge
and only the DRK crystal does that crap
signal solar
who said only the drk crystal does that
wary perch
FFXIV 5.3: Civil War
signal solar
we could have used azem's crystal as a catalyst for ir
short spindle
How do we get Elidibus EX?
carmine basin
Omg Alphinaud died on 2nd boss of heroes gauntlet
untold gull
i've yet to do much of drk so i'm curious tbh
bringing alphinaud
i found your problem
wary perch
pastel coyote
Azem power is a unique kind of summoning, that it was the originial Emet or a shade don't change the fact that he was able to call him
noble tartan
The thick plottens
wary pond
@carmine basin so he got stepped on til he died?
next oriole
do the dps use a phoenix down mid fight?
prisma vine
by accident
unique verge
Alphinaud frankly is pretty shit, in terms of his Trust coding.
Urianger is vastly superior
untold gull
urianger won't let you die
rare sinew
I like the post AoE shielding
untold gull
unless you really don't pay attention, you'll stay alive the whole time
rare sinew
Like.. thanks bud
prisma vine
But yeah there's evidence all over the place for several possible answers. which imho is likely VERY intentional
carmine basin
do the dps use a phoenix down mid fight?
@next oriole one of them will use phoenix down after the battle is over, if healer dies
unique verge
Like you pretty much have to pair Alph with Alisaie so that she can pick up his slack
next oriole
mk
untold gull
signal solar
just like you have to pair ryne with thancred to have cartridge actions
pastel coyote
thank
carmine basin
I'm running G'raha Tia as trust until I'm satisfied
prisma vine
a predictable story isn't a bad one. how long have we all screamed BUT WHAT IF WOL WAS PRIMAL. we were right! about the wrong wol tho
lol
untold gull
lol
carmine basin
So it's thancred + alphinaud + raha for me
Thancred and Alphy so I can double pull
gaunt star
Isn't Thancred's cartridge combo literally like 1% increase
carmine basin
prisma vine
how many of us KNEW exarch was raha? tons. didn't ruin the reveal
coarse pond
Elidibus was a wannabe WoL, not actual WoL
unique verge
I mean, Elidibus only took the form of WoL because he was emulating Azem and couldnt even remember why
next oriole
i tried double pulling with thancred, alphinaud and y'shtola
prisma vine
how many of us were SURE that yotsuyu or asahi would become tsukuyomi?
next oriole
thancred died
rare sinew
Alphi cant do big pulls
untold gull
his standing pose already told us his race. if you've done crystal tower raid, it was easy to deduce who the exarch is
unique verge
Alphi is shit in general
next oriole
i wish i knew that much earlier
unique verge
you have to pair him with Alisaie if you want to big pull
coarse pond
Why would you Alphi when you have Oworianger giving you cards
rare sinew
Even then
unique verge
because she'll vercure to pick up for his shittiness
prisma vine
that's my point mistral. predictable isn't bad
rare sinew
If you're tank
prisma vine
it felt great to have that HA I FUCKIN KNEW IT moment
untold gull
yeah, the entire 5.0 i was being giddy about it going "when are you gonna take your hood off, cat boi, come on!"
teal geyser
viscid monolith
None of this true. I always pull large with Alphinaud and I never use Alisae.
noble tartan
Going "lul so unpredictably randumb haha I bet none of you saw this coming!!!11" is vastly inferior to being just predictable and giving people what they want
prisma vine
even tho it was pretty obvious yeah exactly! we all knew raha would merge with his old self. we all expected it. but damn if i wasn't like "o shit is he gonna be okay?" anyway
wary perch
Elidibus is what the people want as wol by bringing salvation
prisma vine
worried "o damn is he actually not gonna be able to merge cuz of his new outlook?"
unique verge
it just cant be unpredictable for unpredictables sake
wary perch
I wasn't expecting exarch to merge with graha though
prisma vine
so when it all gets tied up....aahh serotonin
untold gull
lol, i was ready to gut elidibus then and there 
prisma vine
i was! since end of 5.0
wary perch
To whole thing feel like a game over but continue from your last save to me for exarch
untold gull
that final scene, man. when we sprinted to the tower
prisma vine
felt GOOD
untold gull
unique verge
Still waiting for that to bite us in the ass later on
prisma vine
oh it may lol
wary perch
if xiv has a save point as single player it would be that red blue crystal
untold gull
how so
unique verge
G'raha, in theory, is on-par with us in terms of rejoinings now - and more amusingly, is potentially able to go to 15/14
noble tartan
What I overall don't like all to much is how they are burning up all the cool ascian stuff in this addon at once. Makes me wonder what happens when the big boi ascians are done and gone. Will the shitty bois suddenly become a threat? Another addon about Zenos?
untold gull
wasn't there a mention that next expac is zodiark vs hydaelyn?
prisma vine
after that, Something New
untold gull
then a brand new adventure after that on 7.0
noble tartan
7.0 or FFXIV-2
prisma vine
zenos will probs be involved with zodiark vs hydaelyn
untold gull
still, that offhand comment from y'shtola about her trying to figure out how to travel between worlds was interesting
prisma vine
us, raha, and zenos have like....some crazy potential
big battles
now we have canon mechs even
untold gull
then maybe we can find out where omega came from and who built it
noble tartan
Zenos a shitty 8/14 ayyy lmao
viscid monolith
Zenos is pretty much the archetypal FF villain. Of course he's the final baddy.
prisma vine
we sure bout that aers?
untold gull
that would be nice
prisma vine
resonant killed/ate a lot of people...
unique verge
I mean, there's no reaosn to think otherwise
prisma vine
NICE
unique verge
Zenos has no capability to travel to other shards to rejoin manually (as of yet)
so he shoudl be 8/14 like everyone else
prisma vine
his soul may be weird/added to/etc from resonant
untold gull
not to mention being of some relation to emet
lilac crest
How do yall spawn hildibrand
noble tartan
Except if Fanadriel brings his splinters to him somehow and he goes 14/14 ULTRA INSTINCT on us haha
untold gull
even if it wasn't his body, that connection tho
prisma vine
dreams of amaurot nightly
unique verge
Well yeah, if that happens its different
but for now he's 8/14
Graha and WoL at 9/14
Fully anticipate eating more souls in 6.0
untold gull
there was also that experiment trying to make garleans use magic somehow in a previous content patch, wasn't there?
wary perch
I doubt graha is 17/14 soul now. I believe the same fragments are overwrite
wary perch
Yea should be the same as wol
unique verge
Exarch comes from a post-8th-rejoining world. So he's 9/14
rain onyx
wary perch
Wol has one more fragment because of ardbert while graha get 9th because of exarch from 8th calamity timeline
viscid monolith
The process of making someone a resonant involves stealing the aether from possibly hundreds of people and adding it to your soul. Zenos could theoretically be 14/14.
noble tartan
Because he lived the rejoining that we missed
unique verge
Yup
which, as i said earlier, creates a paradox in which G'raha theorhetically can go 15/14
noble tartan
No Zenos could not because his soul fragments are not on the Source but the other shards
prisma vine
zenos could be like 150/14
untold gull
could that even be possible if those souls are in the same shard?
slender merlin
We're gonna need that moon trolley.
untold gull
well, in this case, just souls from the source
coarse pond
@teal geyser i Don't read coursive
prisma vine
not his shards. just. enough souls smashed together
viscid monolith
Doesn't matter where his shards are because he stole so much aether from other people.
wary perch
No I don't think he can have 17/14 because I believe same soul fragments overwrite the old version
untold gull
jesus fuck, if zenos become new heart of zodiark...
untold gull
i think he meant 15/14 because someone's saying it
wary perch
Because 8 from graha and 9 from exarch
unique verge
....that's not what im saying at all
untold gull
it overwrites tho
noble tartan
Question being, can we even become 14/14 since the World of Darkness is so fucked up?
shut burrow
I rest my case
prisma vine
im saying ZENOS could be off the ability to measure in fourteenths due to the resonant fuckery
a whole other metric
unique verge
G'raha, on the source is currently 9/14, because he cheated and has a fragment from time-travel fuckery.
wary perch
Oh you mean if first get rejoin in our timeline then graha has potential to become 15/14?
prisma vine
insanely dense
unique verge
But the problem is that since that future was averted
prisma vine
yeah
unique verge
that fragment is still out there somewhere
noble tartan
He already has that fragment
prisma vine
wait wait
wary perch
I believe that won't be the case be the case because new version of the same soul fragment overwrite the old version
unique verge
He has it from a future that ceased to exist
prisma vine
so he is actually the only one who can hit 14/14 because of the void
noble tartan
We dont know what happened to that future
unique verge
So the current timeline one still exists, independent of him
prisma vine
inb4 Perfected Raha and its just Hythlodaeus fjnrjelk
unique verge
That'd be oddly appropriate, actually.
noble tartan
Guys wtf, soul fragments are not 1+1 maths. The number of fragments doesnt matter but WHICH fragment it is
prisma vine
yeah
unique verge
I mean, yeah, but that's what im saying
wary perch
Whatever the case graha won't be 15/14 because same soul fragments will just get overwrite
prisma vine
Oh i agree Aerstz. But if we are going to theorize i may as well run with it
wary perch
That's what I believe
unique verge
G'raha is 9/14 rejoined currently, because he cheated via time travel. WoL is 9/14 because we absorbed Arbert.
noble tartan
Yep. Raha and WoL got their First fragments, noone else
unique verge
but WoL maxes out at 14. G'raha has a paradoxical fragment out there somewhere.
wary perch
Same as why it won't be 17/14 now, which is 8 soul from graha plus 9 soul from exarch
prisma vine
we don't know who on the first would be raha's shard or if he had one
noble tartan
That's the question. Can we even max out at 14 since the World of Darkness was annihilated. No more souls to be had.
They messed up the rejoining
prisma vine
for all we know some ppl's shards arent alive yet or already died and they're in the lifestream
unique verge
Ah, but that's the rub
Maybe WoL max is 13
but that would make G'raha max.....14
lol
prisma vine
no it wouldnt
noble tartan
Graha also doesnt have his fragment from the WoD
wary perch
@unique verge I believe there won't be a paradoxical fragment because he already rejoined with exarch which like has 8th of his soul before the first rejoined
unique verge
Why would there not be a paradoxical fragment?
noble tartan
Because he already has it
unique verge
Exarch was 9/14 before he ever left the source
wary perch
If there is then graha should be 17/14 now
unique verge
and when he left the source, he did so via time travel
untold gull
it's not 1+1
unique verge
to a period in which that rejoining never happened
prisma vine
so exarch raha had the fragment from when the FIRST rejoined. norvrant shard. but then he came BACK to norvrant. perhaps kept that shard person from being born?
unique verge
Maybe. Maybe not. We dont know. But there's a paradox fragment on the first regardless of if its in a person currently or not.
prisma vine
eliminating paradox via "soul accounted for, dont respawn"
untold gull
the 15/14 theory sounds plausible with the paradox, that 17/14 isn't tho
noble tartan
Imagine this. Your body is split across serveral worlds. With each rejoining you get stuff back. Eventually you get your left arm back but you time travel to before you got it back, another rejoining happens and you would theoretically get another left arm... but you already have one. Do you get three arms? No. Left arm and left arm overwrite, you still only have one left arm.
prisma vine
it would be neat if it ended up wol's best friend vs zenos who THINKS he is our best friend
not even us vs zenos
really piss people off
unique verge
Also, waiting for a future storyline where someone tries to kill us to take our fragments
noble tartan
What would they do with it?
unique verge
some invader from a as-of-yet unrejoined shard
prisma vine
resonant made from zenos' lack of empathy vs bonus paradox soul from raha's excess of empathy
unique verge
Basically an evil Azem fragment
prisma vine
the two are perfectly opposite there tbh i like the dichotomy
noble tartan
Maybe Zenos empathy is in his First shard lol
untold gull
what the fuck, where do i get this
prisma vine
maybe zenos empathy was experimented out
wary perch
You guys know that exarch has 8 soul fragments excluding the soul from the first which the 8 are the same soul fragments as graha correct?
prisma vine
yeah
wary perch
What happened to this 8 soul when exarch merge with graha
half tendon
"evil azem fragment"
unique verge
I mean that's wrong though
prisma vine
they merge
untold gull
they melded
noble tartan
They merged with the other 8
half tendon
i can only assume that'd go as well for them as it did for Ardbert
untold gull
beq lugg literally said that
untold gull
it's either the soul melds or he done fuck up
noble tartan
Yeah noone debated that
prisma vine
like...say soul 1 is made of water. soul 2 of oil. soul 3 of rocks. soul-- you get it
wary perch
So given that the 8 soul from exarch merge with the 8 soul from graha, we ca. Assume that if the first get rejoined down the like this soul from the first will also get merge with the first soul in graha
prisma vine
they'd just. smush into a more dense pile
wary perch
So it will still be 14/14 mac
wary perch
I'm saying 8 after minus 1 from the first
unique verge
but why are you subtracting 1? You shouldnt
wary perch
And this 8 are the same as the 8 from graha correct
noble tartan
Alright, another example. Imagine a pie made of 7 equal pieces. (one is missing) One piece is red, one blue, yellow, green, and so on. There exists a time-fuckery version of the same cake which has 8 pieces, the additional piece is golden. You meld the cakes together. Now you have a whole cake, but the green melds with the green, the red with the red, and so on, only the golden piece has nothing to meld with, so it completes the original cake.
prisma vine
i meant more "maybe paradox soul can net him a solid 14/14 due to some weird property we don't know yet"
wary perch
Because we are doing fraction?
prisma vine
"vs wol who can't cuz no paradox"
unique verge
Saying he was 8/14 is blatantly wrong
wary perch
I'm doing a parallel comparison of the 1-8soul in graha and exarch
prisma vine
that isnt what they said
noble tartan
The Raha from our timeline has only 8 though
prisma vine
they just said the eight that matched with tower raha
wary perch
What happened to these 8 soul when exarch merge with graha?
untold gull
actually, that's fair. since the eight souls from young raha and exarch melded, there's no reason that the ninth soul that could still be in the first in our timeline would not meld with the exarch who already has ninth from a previous timeline
unique verge
Okay, so that still makes G'raha 9/14, leaving a paradox fragment on teh First.
prisma vine
merged together like water
no cuz if paradox happened that soul would meld like the 8
that's what is being said
wary perch
No, because when the first get rejoined down the line the soul from the first will just merge with the soul from the first that graha get from exarch
noble tartan
^this
unique verge
You're assuming that the first gets rejoined
noble tartan
We are all just assuming
unique verge
I'm just saying that there's a paradox fragment and it may lead to fuckery in the future
untold gull
so even if the current timeline First raha soul is alive, it wouldn't matter since that soul will just meld with now source Exarch so it's not gonna be 9+1 at all
prisma vine
tho i will say, this all assumes we know the rules. we may not! there could be other fuckery we don't know about
wary perch
Aren't you? Otherwise where you get the 15/14 from?
prisma vine
paradoxes could proc New Rules. there could be rules we have no idea about
untold gull
ya, that's possible too, Bal since we really don't know what direction they're taking this soul thing to
unique verge
15/14 is one version of fuckery. Paradox Soul murders G'raha and absorbs him is another fuckery. Who knows.
prisma vine
in 3.3 we didn't even know emet selch existed
unique verge
The only thing thats certain is there's a paradox, and paradoxes never end well
wary perch
If the first won't get rejoined, how is it there is a paradox?
coarse pond
It's SE story. If they wanted they could made Moogles a spawn of Zordiak
unique verge
Because the fragment exists in two places at once. Which is a paradox.
prisma vine
maybe smth else will happen to resolve the Soul Math
untold gull
paradox in that there's possibly a still living raha in the First while our source raha is now 9/14
prisma vine
maybe we find a way to rejoin things without killing or something insane like that who knows
wary perch
The whole exarch being on the first with a soul fragment from the first already by itself is a paradox
noble tartan
Time fuckery always creates messes like this, which is why I usually hate it in narratives
prisma vine
its why i love it
unique verge
Yes. Paradox fragment exists. It may come back to cause problems later.
noble tartan
Nah, it is most always done horribly
wary perch
The whole shb is a paradox
unique verge
Time fuckery is nearly always bullshit, yes
prisma vine
who cares its fun
unique verge
ShB thankfully handled it fairly cleanly
noble tartan
That much is true
unique verge
by just abandoning the doomed timeline
unique verge
I mean
carmine basin
I don't think they addressed whether the other timeline is erased or not
half tendon
can't wait for the WoL to have to fight Super Saiyan God zenos and go like
unique verge
They made time travel hard enough in terms of the mechanics of achieving it, that there's not really any way for 8th Calamity Timeline to interact with the Prime timeline again
untold gull
probably a parallel universe at this point
half tendon
"aight i got this" befor accelerated backhopping between shards, munching on all of their split selves
noble tartan
We will likely never hear from it again except in footnotes, so I will not wrack my brain over it
carmine basin
I was thinking if Emet comes back, it would be from that timeline, but in that timeline their plan went well and WoL is dead so
No reason to go back
untold gull
i'm hoping not tbh
unique verge
Emet coming back in any way shape or form beyond his cameo in SoS would ruin his character permanently
So i highly doubt it
wary perch
We don't even know does the doom time get destroyed or it still exist in another branch where it's possible for other from that timeline to travel to ours again
But I agree with se method of just dropping it
unique verge
But we know how time travel was achieved
and they will not have the capability to do it again
CTs gone, Omega's fucked off to where-ever. Without those the 8th Calamity Timeline wouldnt have the necessary means to travel again.
placid sail
it was a total crapshoot, they are lucky it worked once
wary perch
Unless they create something equivalent to the CT with Alex and omega tech
Yea
If they pull another time travel stunt I rather it be a Collab with chrono trigger lol
noble tartan
Our timeline has the components necessary to create another CT but I doubt they will, it was too much of an effort and needed an apocalypse to make it possible
In terms of manpower and collaboration
unique verge
Plus, you know, Apocalypse. They put everything they had left into that one attempt.
unique verge
"humanity"
noble tartan
The ascians do have a point in that regard. Shtola said it herself, we are fickle fuckers
noble tartan
She got Emet'ed on and feels like she needs to step up her game
"If I become a diva like Emet, perhaps WoL will love me like Emet uwu"
placid sail
not shipping ysh with runar 
noble jetty
i don't ship them either but they do have cute moments
mostly when he scoops her up like a little girl
unique verge
Its kind of shitty that she lead him on.
since there's no actual reasonable or logical version of events where travel between the first and the source is a thing
WoL is only even able to do to it because gameplay.
half tendon
...no?
noble tartan
It's just something not yet invented.
Ascians can do it, it's just aether manipulation
unique verge
Yes, but that was being facilitated by the CT, which by all rights should be going dormant with the death of the Exarch
placid sail
whether she'll ever be able to figure out how to do it is something else, but it's possible to traverse the rift intact
placid sail
you attuned to an aetheryte on the first
half tendon
it's something to do with you leaving an aether trail through the rift that lets you detect the aetherytes- yeah
noble tartan
Imagine you just need to get transposed into auracite and the a CROSS WORLD CANNON blasts you to the first where you EXPLODE IN A XBOX HUEG EXPLOSION and then you walk out and can enjoy the landscape. Easy world travel
#OrcTechnology
unique verge
I mean, if it was purely down to "you attuned to aetherytes", there's no reason non-Thancred scions couldnt do the same.
Clearly this isnt the case though
weary quiver
||what did Elidibus mean by - i withdrew myself from zodiark for them- ?||
unique verge
Interpretation on that one. For me its that Elidibus that we interact with is just a pale imitation of the original, and not the real Elidibus.
Just a fake conjured up out of memories and aether
untold gull
a shade, so to speak
unique verge
About on the same level as how the Nidhogg conjured from his eyes wasnt really Nidhogg.
noble tartan
The Scions are only souls and memory, though, they lack bodies. The WoL is complete. That's probably what makes it difficult for them, the exarch messed up their summoning
unique verge
Eh, maybe. Though Thancred is still hosed regardless.
I wonder if they're ever going to "fix" him
noble tartan
Nah he can stay crippled
untold gull
what are the chances he's 'magically fixed' after 5.3
half tendon
strictly speaking we don't know that
untold gull
some stupid shit about his aether being fixed when his soul went into the crystal
noble tartan
I like characters with weaknesses, makes them more interesting
unique verge
Which implies that he cant still
untold gull
oh true
weary quiver
||so elidibus never really left zodiark's body? and is the reason he was weak and needed a way for people to worship him because the ascians were doing the worshiping but all of them are gone and none left to fuel him?||
unique verge
Elidibus ceased being Elidibus when he was sacrificed to create Zodiark
half tendon
he needed peopel to worship him because we're a superpowered freak and he needed to get way stronger to stand a chance
unique verge
The thing that emerged out of Zodiark may have acted like Elidibus and had some of his memories, but it wasnt truly him.
which is why he cant remember the WoL / Azem
half tendon
this is entirely theory.
half tendon
we don't like... actually have explicit confirmation that it outright isn't elidibus and is 100% a zodiark robot
it came outta zodiark sure but like
weary quiver
and i hope if there is a lore book coming , we get some answers
half tendon
it could feasibly be "original elidibus but Ultra Tempered"
unique verge
Wouldnt really account for his behavior though.
untold gull
didn't y'shtola said he's a primal of the original elidibus
unique verge
and him being what i propose he is explains the fuck out of how Lahabrea/Emet treated him
Lahabrea always regarded Elidibus with complete contempt. which was strange to me, without the context of 5.3
half tendon
could also be explained by him being a child
weary quiver
honestly elidibus felt unhuman for me , its like he is an automated doll
and only saw his real side at the end after the fight
half tendon
I dunno he seemed pretty human before it
untold gull
he kinda is i suppose? since he was just a shell of his original self, fueled by his desire to do his duty
and honestly, that ending, in my head canon, in the end, he was just lonely. that doing his duty was all he could do because there's nothing else to do
half tendon
it like
half tendon
Cardboard personality could be due to him keeping his cards close to his chest and deliberately not letting anything on
noble tartan
Can't primals interpret their duty a little? Elidibus may have had a choice to alter his course and help better the worlds instead of messing them up for the original plan. His purpose is to be a savior of the star, so however he chooses to do that should be (and is implied to be by his quite "sometimes I even stood against my brethren") his own choice
pastel coyote
Kiryu-chaaaaaan
pastel coyote
Valens ?
untold gull
no simone
pastel coyote
Valens Van Varro
untold gull
hexed mango
Its actually annoying coz Nier came out a long time ago now and it's in the back of my mind now. The hype is died down and I just don't care at all about this crossover.
rare sinew
But them thick thighs did indeed save lives
coarse pond
Well
I kinda understand that
Since I also feel kinda awkward about MSQ and Nier
Whenever I think that all we got were more cliffhangers
And more confusion
Ascians becoming WoLs
Zenos Mc Idk what is going on with you
And mr.ascian pooped out of nowhere
The experience itself was a blast, but after retrospective, when you think how much more do we know
We barely got any answers, other than random info here and there without connection
So far our knowledge is an archipelago, not continent
spiral wagon
lilac crest
Prolly the same thing
gaunt star
why wouldnt u do them considering they are tied to MSQ 
lilac crest
But then
I do realize
Gaia was e2s fight 
So if we didnt beat her
Yeah shit idk
rare sinew
Fuck. The Dwarf beast tribe song is fucking adorable
gaunt star
Ngl this sounds sarcastic af. “she’ll always be there. Just like you lot.” Man I feel bad for the kid
wary pond
btw didnt we seal crystal tower in arr cause we cant beat cloud of darkness
how it was fine to open it again in 5.3
wet crown
That wasn't why it's sealed
sterile moat
^
g'raha sealed the tower because humanity wasn't ready to unlock it's secrets yet
plus he needed time to learn how to control it
with exarch memories he basically got a save game with the game completed
all he needs now is to slowly activate the tower, which is why he mentions everything is going ok at the start of the final 5.3 cutscene
wet crown
There are also wards in place. And he will now when someone (tries to) enter/s.
unreal wadi
@spiral wagon
wet crown
aka he is a full-time Scion now
carmine basin
I like how Ishgard NPC show up in the Moonfire Faire
wet crown
talks to the miners
carmine basin
I think Athrun is responding about what Ryne talks about if we didn't do Eden yet
wicked oak
thanks
lilac crest
But I feel unique having it
wicked oak
got low rolls on mine a while ago 😦
pastel coyote
so did we find Ryne ?
vital brook
I wonder who drives the dad mobile now
turbid aspen
im sure we're qualified to drive it
next oriole
🤔
vital brook
Yeh but what if they wanna check stuff and we arent there?
next oriole
do we dps lb3 against wol?
turbid aspen
do what any responsible teen does
untold gull
isn't it tank lb3?
lilac crest
Yeah tank lb3
next oriole
yeah, but later on
untold gull
because you're getting lb4'd by WoL
next oriole
do we dps lb3 if possible?
lilac crest
Yeah dps lb3
next oriole
but
untold gull
well, that's the only tank lb3 anyway
untold gull
unless you wanna keep it for the time you guys absolutely mess up
next oriole
okay, when does wol hallowed ground?
next oriole
every lb?
next oriole
gif's encoding
next oriole
next oriole
i didn't even notice the hg while in trick
lilac crest
In EX you can tho
Idk why he does that gay shit
Maybe you could catch him off guard during a cast?
carmine basin
This G'raha cosplayer got surrounded by his minion
wary pond
can i get mount without going for 94 clears?
faint dagger
hm. when WoL hallows against a LB, does he actually stop acting or just hallows and carries on?
gaunt star
A tale of two textures
placid sail
the bread was funny but it did not win
gaunt star
Exarch got Microsoft paint pixels and bread got HD remake 😦
placid sail
oh that
golden nebula
faint dagger
exarch was halfway through editing his minecraft skin give him a break
but yeah that definitely outdoes Hien's coat in terms of 'oh god'
placid sail
anyway now that the remaining ascians can essentially do whatever they want, what are the odds of one of them teaming up with us
untold gull
depends
faint dagger
undoubtedly high I would think
there's zero reason they couldn't do it
as a story element
untold gull
fandaniel ain't gonna be teaming up with us. maybe for whatever his scheme is, but not as a friendo
gaunt star
pixel exarch
faint dagger
i mean the archon loaf was the true plot element of this patch let's be real
wary pond
what do u mean by wol hallow?
faint dagger
the scions might have not wanted to leave the First, had they not known that archon load was in it
coarse pond
untold gull
wary pond
wait wut?
untold gull
trial
placid sail
that asshole uses all our tricks against us
untold gull
he uses hallowed ground if you dps lb3 him
wary pond
we casted LB and it goes through?
faint dagger
lb2 suffices too
been there seen that on a nm speedkill
idk, he says something like 'clad in prayer I am invincible' and system text says the WoL withstands the limit break
unreal wadi
Yeah
faint dagger
i just wondered whether he stops acting for the duration
faint dagger
Because I've done other MMO fights where bosses do a similar thing, but they immobilise themselves so it's free time to resolve mechanics
unreal wadi
there's a lot of power
placid sail
we better get our own LB4 against Zodiark
coarse pond
You know, when you edit your UI, our LB meter is actually wide enough to have 4 bars