the data files seem to imply it's the actual Bunker and the alien life forms found the codes to run it themselves
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
glad maple
I though 9S was the one controlling the machine life
severe brook
I think he'd just hijacked the ones in the Copied Factory
rain badger
does anyone
radiant badger
Hacky smacky stuff
severe brook
presumably to use against 2P and the other P-Series
wet crown
And yeah...seems like compound's title is Longing
though I have no idea how that number jamble is supposed to be that.
radiant badger
There's a data log about that.
wet crown
yeah the last one
radiant badger
It has.. Implications.
wet crown
very philosophical
radiant badger
Not sure what to make of those implications tbh
And I'm probably misinterpreting anyways
gaunt star
does anyone know what the extreme trail drops ?
wet crown
weapons
clever comet
number jumble -> Longing is a hex to ASCII conversion
gaunt star
Thankyou 
wet crown
495 weapons
heady shadow
Hmmmm
radiant badger
Indeed, it is the most important question
somber quartz
Just me that thinks Graha looks hip AF now
radiant badger
That's why we channel piccolo and DOOOOOODGE
Btw what class does exarch become as a healer? WHM?
Gotta be WHM.
somber quartz
It'll be whm
radiant badger
I know he goes palaBONK as tank. And dps is unimportant.
Though he should totally go DRK as tank with his staff lol
polar star
bonk
radiant badger
Let's be honest, that'd be funny as hell to watch
somber quartz
Man Graha looks amazing now 😍 😍
polar star
Before this patch i didn't know why people liked G'raha so much
Now he's my favorite Scion.
somber quartz
Also question has it been discussed in here about what he said at the very end?
radiant badger
G'raha was always a bro
pastel coyote
after seeing Urianger doing jojo pose again i can predict how we will deal with Zenos
pastel coyote
ZA WARUDO
heady shadow
Rip people who havent done CT yet
somber quartz
Graha was always amazing from tbe very beginning
radiant badger
Dude's got drive, gotta give him that
wet crown
They don't have to. They can just rot in 5.2 for all I care
stuck yarrow
Glad I had someone who made me do it before lol
wet crown
pastel coyote
G'Raha was a brat the first time we meet him but he grow so much in a short time
somber quartz
Graha isn't the type to lose.
radiant badger
I did it before heavensward 
polar star
What's the Exarch minions special animation?
heady shadow
"you people had four months to finish it, raids take 40min mx to do''
dusky kayak
||Not sure if you guys're aware but...There's a "Secret" pose feature with the sapphire weapon||
polar star
thot
radiant badger
@polar star it runs up to exarch and makes him go 'goddamn it.'
wet crown
Activate Windows you heathen
heady shadow
BURNING FINGER
polar star
Wait how do you get there Mydia
dusky kayak
talk to the ironworks guy, and he'll give you the option of inspecting the mech
pastel coyote
huh i didn't notice that but the boss of the dungeon are character from other ff it seem
dusky kayak
including taking pictures with it in two different poses
somber quartz
@pastel coyote i liked that little anime sort of ending they had
Alisaie drops her head on the desk and still does hand movements
pastel coyote
Locke/Lenna/???
heady shadow
The NIN ws Cecil wsnt it?
pastel coyote
yeah the animation were... smooth
heady shadow
bet they were motion cptured
somber quartz
It was so funny to watch
pastel coyote
Raha being indecisive was fun
somber quartz
Probably not but I wish
pastel coyote
More than ever the scion look like a family
heady shadow
yeah
somber quartz
Exactly
heady shadow
tbh
polar star
Yeah without that blonde haired bitch
somber quartz
Well now they can relax again for a bit
pastel coyote
Ilbert ? He's not a scion
somber quartz
As there's not really any drama going on in eorzea currently
polar star
tbf Minfilia has been gone for 2 expacs now
pastel coyote
heady shadow
shb felt like a actual FF game..
If you took ShB nd made it standalone it'd make bank
static niche
do the bat hunting msq have 2 different possibilities if you do different hunt spots?
aka win or lose loll
polar star
Alisaie is relatable
somber quartz
"But why didn't weeee change it's like we've undergone no.... development at all"
pastel coyote
well the main difference (to me) between shadowbringer and the other arc is the MC is really involved
heady shadow
what Alisaie doesnt realize, saying that alone means she got lots of development
empty moss
||5.3 be like https://youtu.be/Yn27jQAuoWw ||
somber quartz
Yeah the MC is so heavily involved in SHB where the other parts your just there to help
heady shadow
as a chrcter
stuck yarrow
I like how the twins just immediately reverted back to HW outfits when they got back
pastel coyote
"We" are kind of at the center of this drama, we have connection toward all side
heady shadow
I mean.... they couldnt tke the clothes with them
somber quartz
Yeah Tataru made them with the help of Feo
heady shadow
tataru had to mke the other three's clothing from strtch
pastel coyote
And all side try to save their world, to save us
Even when one try to get ride of us, we are his source of hope
somber quartz
also I love if you talk to Tataru she says "oh and the exarchs staff is made from part of the crystal tower... now I know we should break parts of ancient relics but hey it looks cool now"
somber quartz
I mean can't they just buy them on the market board 
somber quartz
Uriangers is artifact gear and the others are custom
broken terrace
I have a question. The place where Elidibus said Ascian goes from time and again. Is there where they all go usually or after their star split? Like what is that place?
pastel coyote
The Rains have ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it
somber quartz
They use the 13th right?
severe brook
I think it's the Void, actually. If I remember right. The Ascians were using it as a retreat in case they died.
somber quartz
Because it's been over come with darkness
It's the 13th or the void
It's the place ascians use in cutscenes
severe brook
i was referring to the 13th when I said the Void
static niche
isn't it choke full of big bads who like eating aethers?
severe brook
though I guess the term can also refer to the space between Shards
somber quartz
Ahh okay
dusky kayak
@polar star https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/i8l6bo/spoiler_53_secret_posing_feature_with_a_certain/
I detailed it there ^^
somber quartz
Yeah
severe brook
the Ascians are probably strong enough to hold off any Voidsent
somber quartz
static niche
any kek
severe brook
unless a massive one were to attack a minor Ascian, I guess
somber quartz
He looks so fucking hip
broken terrace
So now all of them in void? My heart cant take it. I need to know they are okay 😭
severe brook
actually they might be more vulnerable if both of the Unsundered are gone
I should clarify
when I said "when they died" before, I meant their host bodies
actually dying sends them to the lifestream like anyone else
severe brook
so the dead Ascians are all actually dead now
broken terrace
So sadddd
somber quartz
Also one thing I wanna say that I'm conflicted about is G'raha said in the outro "something something something, the final tale for this star."
broken terrace
I need to take a step back from this game. I feel like I have gained a family i lost the to lost them again before i get to know them more.
somber quartz
Does that mean 6.0 is gonna be it?
severe brook
I think it's saying it'll be the final story for Zodiark
pastel coyote
yeah, the server are down after 6.0
severe brook
since Zodiark is the will of the star
broken terrace
Really? 6.0 will be the last?
pastel coyote
i just go the word that Yoko Taro take the lead of the game
gaunt star
people are just overthinking it
broken terrace
Ahh okay
gaunt star
FFXIV has a lot of opportunities to create new enemies and stories
people are just ignorant to it
pastel coyote
take screen while you can
severe brook
I mean when he was created Zodiark was the will of the star
gaunt star
6.0 will end the hydaelyn vs zodiark saga 
pastel coyote
severe brook
Hydaelyn is now, yes
somber quartz
I'm not instantly going to "AHHHH 6.0 IS IT NOOOOOOO"
pastel coyote
the game will shut down when they are dead
heady shadow
lets kills that blasted sound thing
severe brook
yeah let's go after Lavos
somber quartz
I mean look, Fandilan comes along and I already want to kill him
but he makes a point
gaunt star
Kugel
pastel coyote
more like he make a coin
gaunt star
he has Asahis face, its the most punchable thing in the game.
pastel coyote
gaunt star
wut
somber quartz
It seems like there was "rivalry" between the sundered and unsundered ascians
foggy coyote
Yes. To show he's crystalizing.
static niche
it didn't do that before iirc
shrewd cypress
He’s more fucked up now
static niche
well that was neat nonetheless
gaunt star
it spend up his crystalization process
somber quartz
Yeah thats not his crystal arm, the lights are showing which parts are getting MORE crystal.
Which is not good lol
severe brook
well, the sundered ones were uplifted from mortal souls. so they might have their own motivations beyond those of their past incarnations.
heady shadow
||completed his Focus||
severe brook
||NO||
pastel coyote
too late to make this joke
severe brook
||DO NOT||
somber quartz
I don't get it
foggy coyote
The texturing looked awful, though. The pixelation on his chest... Yikes.
severe brook
the joke of Graha'Tia being a l'Cie
somber quartz
I know I couldn't stop looking
severe brook
actually there was a lot of XIII stuff in the Twinning
somber quartz
It looked so fucking bad omg
azure patio
Am I blind or is there no way to re-view the cutscenes from the 5.3 Sorrow of Werlyt quest?
pastel coyote
but wait ! there more in Bozja
foggy coyote
lol
gaunt star
Bhunivelze boss when
severe brook
Zenos becomes Bhunivelze after assimilating Zodiark and Hydaelyn
actual worst timeline
somber quartz
Man
pastel coyote
are going again with "oh no he's hot" ?
gaunt star
Zenos is ugly
somber quartz
So I wonder what's gonna happen now man, we've got ascians that can straight up run loose with their own motives.
gaunt star
hes hot
pastel coyote
well the thing that bug me is.... Fandaniel needed corpse ?
somber quartz
Yep
heady shadow
Damn
pastel coyote
yep that the thing
severe brook
even the unsundered needed host bodies
gaunt star
if they wanna be visible to others
pastel coyote
he shouldn't be able to raise ascian
somber quartz
Fandaniel that's how you spell it
severe brook
Lahabrea weakened it by doing it very often and altering the bodies, if I recall
gaunt star
Elidibus was a primal so i doubt using anyones body affected him
somber quartz
Yep
gaunt star
yep
somber quartz
And emet only used his body
gaunt star
but he admitted he wasnt strong enough to take on the sWoL by himself
severe brook
Emet-Selch had a bunch of premade bodies so it wasn't as big a toll on him, and he usually rested most of the time anyway
gaunt star
he used another body on the First
not one of the cloned ones
its not like he can take one with him
pine epoch
Fandaniel took Asahi corpse because of Asahi being the heir to House Brutus
gaunt star
yeah
pine epoch
and thus he gets all of house brutus funds
gaunt star
and he was the leader of the anti-racism ppls
which apparently he destroyed anyway
well fandaniel did..
pine epoch
I love how his name is just pronounced FAN DANIEL
severe brook
I'm guessing Fandaniel has significant magical power like the other Ascians
somber quartz
Man it was so fucking cool when emet appeared in the trial
severe brook
so he probably showed up as Asahi, then rained hellfire down on the Populares
gaunt star
inb4 fandaniel is using Zenos
somber quartz
I think he is using Zenos
gaunt star
same
somber quartz
But Zenos is smart as fuck
severe brook
Fandaniel is definitely using Zenos, but Zenos himself probably knows it and just doesn't care
gaunt star
yeah
somber quartz
Like it's canon he's smart as fuck
severe brook
it serves his purpose at the time
somber quartz
So he knows
gaunt star
Zenos was high iq since he was a smol kid anyway yea
somber quartz
Fan Daniel is using Zenos, but Zenos is using Fan Daniel using him lmao
gaunt star
also i wanna know why Fandaniel was so mad happy he was 'free'
heady shadow
Fandniel ends up being the worse Nabriels.
next oriole
does the warrior of light actually use an invuln if a lb 1 is used on them?
gaunt star
i dont buy it that the sundered ascians kept them focused on rejoining only
unsundered*
somber quartz
Well the ascians had a focus and that was to stop WoL and do rejoining
So I think it was like a fifty fifty
Be pieces of shit or do magic rejoining shit
Plus doing the rejoining just involves fucking with shit anywhere
Like slowly messing in politics etc
pine epoch
the entire Fandaniel cutscene felt like something straight out of Devil may cry
somber quartz
Which is why now I think Fandaniel is happy because he has no task given to him now and the sundered are free to use their powers where ever they please
golden tulip
Zenos just wants his Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny and damn the consequences
gaunt star
i dont buy it kugel its too simple xd
somber quartz
I mean simple is always good.
thin crypt
zenos=Kuze from yakuza 0
gaunt star
but we will see later on
thin crypt
pine epoch
I couldn't help but have a smile on my face the entire fandaniel cutscene
pine epoch
If they can keep that same energy throughout 5.4-6.0 I will be happy
gaunt star
that trial tho oof
somber quartz
I think Zenos has alot more going on. But he's just being Zenos.
thin crypt
the trial is 👏 https://imgur.com/K206hgy
gaunt star
he wants the power of either zodiark or hydaelyn
somber quartz
I like how he FELL ASLEEP AFTER SLAUGHTERING AN ENTIRE CASTLE
gaunt star
Zodiark is the eassier target
as he has no Heart anymore
and Fandaniel could let him to him
severe brook
so naturally he'll go after Hydaelyn because it's more challenging and thus fun
gaunt star
lead**
somber quartz
Exactly
gaunt star
yeah ik
somber quartz
Hydalean has always been weak
pine epoch
Zodiark now in theory is just a lifeless Husk filled with lots of power
gaunt star
not always
somber quartz
Okah always in arr timeline
pine epoch
and Hydaelyn is weak but should in theory still be able to fight back if threatened
gaunt star
she was summoned with the purpose on being able to 'shackle' Zodiark
somber quartz
Like from when we started playing
Also btw I'm talking weak from a GOD point of view
gaunt star
she started weakening shortly after 1.0 i guess
yeah
both are the first two primals
so yea
we dunno
somber quartz
Both of them could most likely regardless of weakness, still easily kill anyone.
They're basically unsundered Ascian Primals.
They're the primals to trump primals.
slim egret
Whats the new Hawaiian shirt called?
somber quartz
Boomer shirt
gaunt star
lol
slim egret
T.T
severe brook
a part of me feels like hydaelyn and zodiark, at least when we deal with them, will have something more than just being absolute light and absolute dark
since we just had a whole expansion of absolute light and absolute dark fights
somber quartz
Yeah
thin crypt
Hydaelyn is a thot that uses ppl
somber quartz
Yeah
signal solar
we had absolute dark throughout 2 and 3.0
thin crypt
and we are the
somber quartz
Zodiark is a passive darkness that is power there to be used
severe brook
I feel like Hydaelyn turning out to be secretly evil would fall flat
It'd be better if she was legitimately benevolent
but maybe misguided
signal solar
neither are evil
gaunt star
^
somber quartz
I mean she is using her power to enthrall "WoL" so she can get more power.
signal solar
you shouldnt classify primals as evil
somber quartz
Fair
signal solar
primals are only born from the desires of prayer
somber quartz
They're doing the duty they are summoned to do.
gaunt star
pretty sure the assumption WoL is tempered ended with 5.0
Zodiark is simply trying to break free
severe brook
if those with the blessing of light were tempered, you'd think they'd be more mind controlled like
gaunt star
Hydaelyn is calling on champions to prevent it
severe brook
and Midgardsormr probably wouldn't be able to remove the Blessing of Light/Tempering way back when
severe brook
if he could, then we'd have a cure for tempering on our hands
somber quartz
Yeah
gaunt star
and Zodiark did temper those who summoned him
somber quartz
I actually forgot about that
gaunt star
their souls to be exact
so even an unsundered ascian desires the rejoining
sundered**
smh
somber quartz
Even if we did get tempered ya boy midgardsomor was like "lmao fuck hydalen" and got rid of that and told us to work for it.
signal solar
eeeh
prisma vine
possibly. maybe. hopefully.
signal solar
a sundered ascian might have some inherent urge to pray for zodiark
somber quartz
We'll see
gaunt star
yeah
signal solar
but they arent fullblown ascians from birth
prisma vine
so pokefan daniel seems to still want a rejoining right?
signal solar
they have to be sought out and given the memories of their unsundered previous selves
somber quartz
fandaniel seems to be a shitposter and zenos is the dad that doesn't understand jokes
signal solar
fandango
somber quartz
Was fandaniel redmask? I thought he was black?
tiny robin
I'm honestly not very impressed by the duo atm
gaunt star
hes redmask
signal solar
no hes red
somber quartz
Okay
gaunt star
theres 14 overlords
signal solar
13
tiny robin
He's like discount Emet
severe brook
"Emet but more unhinged and less deep."
somber quartz
Yeah
severe brook
Actually I don't mind Zenos and Fandaniel so far
signal solar
emet, but he has zenos's crazieness
severe brook
i don't want every villain to be Hades, as much as I liked him
prisma vine
we don't know he's not as deep
severe brook
if everyone was secretly sad all the time it'd get boring
prisma vine
we have no idea
severe brook
true
prisma vine
when emet was first introduced all we knew was 'sassy'
well and like founding garlemald etc
severe brook
emet-selch didn't seem to be that deep when he was introduced
pine epoch
I have to agree, not every villain needs to be like Emet.
prisma vine
but he's a red mask driven not by longing and pain for losing his home
pine epoch
Also if Zenos and Fandaniel are going to be a Duo
tiny robin
Fandaniel feels like it's heaping up to be a joker esque villain
pine epoch
I like that
somber quartz
I feel like now that emet was released his ascian thing at the end was like "I'm free and unchained here to save you elidibus"
pine epoch
Zenos Bored Depressed Ass and Fandaniel Over the top Antics for some unknown reason works so well
gaunt star
i wanna punch him
somber quartz
Fandaniel is pretty cool
severe brook
my guess is that Fandaniel is less his original Convocation self, and more like the Soul that had been uplifted to an Ascian again by the Paragons
so he has his own motivations beyond the Rejoining and Return of the Ancients
tiny robin
Zenos' armor makes him look comical, at least they portrayed him out of it at certain times
prisma vine
elidibus, lahabrea, and emet, ESPECIALLY the latter two, were driven by their grief, knowing their old world, knowing what was lost. meanwhile pokefan daniel here was raised up and told about what was lost. after the fact. with alllll the inherent uhh. bias. that comes with it. varis ALSO heard about the ancients and was like 'oh hell yes let's go back to that???? yes hello???'
buoyant hatch
All the sundered ascians are uplifted fragments, other than them being zodiark thralls and not having a body of their own anymore, they're the same as us basically
gaunt star
Eh
tiny robin
The homie wave
gaunt star
Lahabrea actually lost his mind early on
compared to how he was back in Amaurot vs what we met
prisma vine
i mean initial drive. lahabrea did indeed go nuts
gaunt star
Emet and Elidibus were driven by their grief tho ye
buoyant hatch
Sundered ascians would still have some mortal desires, but probably relish in their newfound immortality
signal solar
lahabrea jumped bodies so much he forgot what he was actually supposed to do
somber quartz
Elidibus was only continuing because of expectations.
prisma vine
BEFORE, lahabrea was
buoyant hatch
Remember how greedy nabriales was
somber quartz
Emet by knowing what had to be done
severe brook
Lahabrea seemed to have been the most active which ended up leading to him decaying the most, so to speak
gaunt star
and Elidibus was so obsessed with his goal he forgot for who he wanted to fulfill his mission and the mission itself
talk about sadness
even worse than Emet lmao
prisma vine
exactly, so nabriales was an example of 'elevated mortal now red mask'
severe brook
so a case could be made for him being retroactively tragic
prisma vine
and he was awful
buoyant hatch
Lahabrea also loved to jump in living bodies
tiny robin
He's a Saturday cartoon villain
severe brook
Emet-Selch probably also would've ended up fading like Lahabrea and Elidibus did if he didn't pass the ages by sleeping most of the time
signal solar
emet also only possesses one or so bodies every thousand or so years
gaunt star
nabriales was also special in being stoopid
signal solar
so he would have more vivid and clear memories
gaunt star
emet had a lot to do with the Allagans so he probably had a high rank there
somber quartz
Yeah
tiny robin
Was he the WoL or did he slide into his DMs
somber quartz
He was the first WoL.
severe brook
He wasn't
static niche
ardbert isn't first WoL
signal solar
he wasnt
static niche
the body that was shown in the memory
severe brook
it's likely the first Warrior of Light on the First was the First's sundered incarnation of Azem
gaunt star
think of it like Louisoix
severe brook
...that's a lot of Firsts
somber quartz
I was assuming he was.
knotty yacht
Wait a minute that was Emet-Selch that showed up in the trial?
gaunt star
the peoples prayers transformed him into phoenix
tiny robin
I am confusion
somber quartz
Yup it was emet
somber quartz
I mean you can tell by the click and the sassy ass hand wave.
signal solar
arm
severe brook
it was most likely emet-selch, either as a spirit called up from the lifestream or a construct placed in the crystal when emet made it for hythlodaeus to give to you
gaunt star
to think Emet sided with us 
somber quartz
It might not be emet, but I mean it did what emet did.
knotty yacht
😭
signal solar
its not his actual soul, its just an aetherial summon of him, kind of like amaurot
somber quartz
I don't think Emet sided with us.
gaunt star
Rommy had a nice assumption yday
buoyant hatch
It was probably a memory of Emet-selch, to take advantage of his powers (that is, to pull people from the lifestream)
somber quartz
I think Yshtola or Urianger said it.
severe brook
i like the idea of it temporarily calling his spirit from the lifestream but it's probably a construct
gaunt star
that Azem used to do that hand wave whenever he was going out to travel and since he and emet were close he picked it up to
somber quartz
He wanted to save Elidibus now that Emet himself was free
buoyant hatch
Like, there is already precedent for the WoL to summon memory constructs in the DRK quests :P
unique verge
Emet absolutely sided with us. The crystals, Hythlodaeus approaching us, was all part of a failsafe that Emet set up in the event he lost his fight with us.
signal solar
yeah
severe brook
He sided with us at the end
pine epoch
severe brook
he was still fighting us up until the Blade of Light punched a hole in his torso
unique verge
Yeah but thats' teh power of Azem
severe brook
Azem's signature magic was to summon allies to their side
gaunt star
probs
severe brook
so the Crystal contains a fragment of that
pine epoch
Emet Selch however gave Azem Crystal to Hythlodeus Phantom
who gave the crystal to us
unique verge
Azem's crystal is also why we have 7 DF people with us
pine epoch
Emet probably put a Phantom of himself inside the crystal
signal solar
i need to go back and look at what the colors of the crystal said and try to associate them with different ascins
somber quartz
As a fail safe.
gaunt star
poor Elidibus
he even did the cliche anime winning victory pose with turning his back
signal solar
like i already know that red is elidibus
somber quartz
I think what Emet wanted is to save Elidibus and for him to realise who he was.
gaunt star
Elidibus wasnt himself lol
unique verge
Elidibus stopped being Elidibus a long time ago.
severe brook
you can tell which one is which by the constellation on each
and then work from there
signal solar
ok
severe brook
it's the constellation for each of their zodiac signs
buoyant hatch
I wonder if that "huh did you summon me" thing from elidibus is also the same power
gaunt star
like look at this
severe brook
emet-selch will create multiple empires and set up multiple interplanar genocides and go "can't help being a gemini"
signal solar
ha
hollow lily
I was holding myself together till bloody seto got emotional... bloody bird
unique verge
Elidibus cant even remember why he's doing what he's doing.
because he's not a real person anymore
pine epoch
Each Constellation on each crystal is one of the Zodiac constellations
somber quartz
Exactly. And emet wanted to help his friend.
unique verge
He's a fucking imitation, and a poor one at that.
pine epoch
except for Azem Crystal which is the Alchemic symbol for the Sun
gaunt star
man im still confused so Ardbert can still communicate with us or wot
tiny robin
Seto milked more tears out of me than 80% of FFXIV combined
signal solar
fuckin google questions
somber quartz
Ardbert is in us now
unique verge
Yes Ardbert's consciousness is still distinct within us enough to communicate
signal solar
ardbert is gay because he is inside another man
somber quartz
I ain't a dude lol
signal solar
or are you
gaunt star
my character is a girl so
hollow lily
So is it now basically confirmed that FF14 is essentially Final Fantasy everything like all these other realms can hold these other games worlds and the og world was like FF1
tiny robin
Well, he's in a Lion man so
unique verge
No
gaunt star
so hes inside a furry?
tiny robin
Ardbert furry confirmed
somber quartz
I mean i am personally but my character isn't.
gaunt star
poor ardy
severe brook
no, it's just references
somber quartz
Na, I don't think that they're linking games
signal solar
@hollow lily ff14 has nothing to do with any of the other games, it just puts in nice references
unique verge
The fact that FF1 WoL and Azem (which Elidibus then made a sylized imitation of) looked the same is a tribute, not "its literally the same character"
gaunt star
now imagine doing the thing with ur better half and u got ardbert inside ur head criticizing it
severe brook
the Sixth Shard was not literally Final Fantasy Six
somber quartz
But just using legacy stuff
severe brook
though there does seem to be some connection between the Shards and their respective game now
gaunt star
ok but when are we getting LB4 Yoshi P
somber quartz
Like Cid isn't the same Cid from the other games.
signal solar
the only character confirmed to be the exact same person across all final fantasy games he is in is Gilgamesh
hollow lily
Well FF14 being on the same planet as 12/tactics is confirmed
severe brook
no it isn't
unique verge
Imagine how bad it is for Ardbert
He has to ride shotgun with Crystal ERP'ers too
lol
severe brook
the timeline of the XIV Ivalice is inverted compared to XII/Tactics
glass fulcrum
The events that are said to have happened in Return to Ivalice aren't the same as those in FFT
gaunt star
after yday
glass fulcrum
yeah that
gaunt star
i find it awkward for ppl to RP/ERP now
hollow lily
Ok I hadn’t played tactics
somber quartz
I used to partake in it but then I had personal issues and stepped out lol
severe brook
but like how the Tenth fell to the Calamity of Water, when X was a very water-focused setting.
or the Seventh falling to Bahamut's Meteor-like descent, when VII's ultimate threat is Sephiroth casting Meteor.
there's a connection, but the Tenth wasn't literally the world of Spira
gaunt star
inb4 last boss of XIV is Sephiroth
tiny robin
Ardbert yelling at you to get out of AoEs
glass fulcrum
He'll be in whatever FF7 collab is eventually done with the remake.
unique verge
I mean its on-track to be blonde sephiroth
somber quartz
I want a sephiroth fight
unique verge
so
somber quartz
We got kefka
gaunt star
i want to cut sephiroths head off
somber quartz
Gib me seph
gaunt star
remake pls hurry up
severe brook
i can't believe the new villains of XIV are "Sephiroth and Kefka at home"
tiny robin
Lmao
severe brook
except zenos is actually vayne/exdeath
somber quartz
OH MY LORD THAT JOKE MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE
gaunt star
lmao
glass fulcrum
you know it's kind of funny. Separately I can't stand Zenos or Damn Daniel, but together I kind of like them.
They can torture each other.
severe brook
they have a fun dynamic together
somber quartz
ZENOS HAS A KATANA AND LONG HAIR
FANDANIEL IS JUST A SHIT POSTER
severe brook
in the sense of awful people who probably can't really stand each other but also know they need to work together
gaunt star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkHp2MYiBOA reminds me of this
hollow lily
They both will make me happier when we kill them both next expansion at this rate
radiant badger
I feel like Zenos is going to have sticking power.
severe brook
prediction: Fandaniel will end up being the second trial or the last dungeon boss, while zenos will be the final boss
glass fulcrum
He was boring in 4.0 and he's boring now
somber quartz
I wonder what the next two patches will be.
radiant badger
Asahi V2 though, absolutely dead.
hollow lily
I’m very horny cause someone is on my power level - Zenos
pine epoch
im going to assume 5.4 will mostly be a lot of Filler until like midway where Zenos will issue his challenge to WoL. then 5.5 we will probably march on a strategically important City to take it over which will probably be our staging City of 6.0 into Ilsibard
severe brook
I'm sticking by my Zenos, Walker of the Wheel theory
pine epoch
sortof like how 3.5 ends with us taking baelsars wall
Inb4 weapon questline is required to progress into 6.0
glass fulcrum
They could do something with Gangos or Werlyt, could be cool.
severe brook
gaunt star
tf is that
severe brook
hollow lily
I just wish we had an ascian like Ardyn from 15 for like a final one. Cocky but knows what he’s doing I despise the English VA for Asahi
gaunt star
oh
pine epoch
Chaos Walker of the Wheel
severe brook
Chaos, Walker of the Wheel from FF12
signal solar
ff12
somber quartz
Oh shit
severe brook
this is my theory for Zenos' final form
he's mentioned he doesn't care for his name, only his body
heady shadow
hemlet matched
severe brook
so him taking on another name at some point could be possible
somber quartz
And he is infact chaos incarnate
gaunt star
as long as he dies he can even call himself Zeus idc
severe brook
the armor looks very similar, Chaos is also associated with wind and storms, wields multiple swords, and is described as having lived and died constantly being reborn
tiny robin
The next time we fight Zenos he's gonna be carrying 12 katanas
somber quartz
Wait blitz really
gaunt star
WoL is so dumb he broke his katana onc
severe brook
this is my guess
gaunt star
once*
somber quartz
Jesus
tiny robin
And his armor becomes 1 meter wide
severe brook
description of Chaos in XII:
Tutelary deity of the sacred crystals fashioned by the gods at the time of the Great Making. Created in opposition to Mitron the Chastiser, scion of light. Upon entering the world of Man, he was enveloped in the turmoil rampant there. Lost, he died and was reborn countless times, a walker of life's wheel, eventually to rage against the gods that had so fated him. By sitting in meditation upon the Uneh Pedestal does he clear heart and mind until all that has order and reason and thought is made as nothing.
severe brook
he also has the two structures floating on either side of him, which could set up possessing both Hydaelyn and Zodiark
tiny robin
Actually you might be onto something there
somber quartz
That's fucking whack
tiny robin
Possessing Zodiark
gaunt star
theres no way he will ever possess both
hollow lily
This is where you find out in the end he’s just a farmer boy
somber quartz
Yeah the possess both part maybe not
severe brook
Possess Hydaelyn using the Resonant, use Hydaelyn to take the place of Zodiark's empty heart-hole
empty moss
Zenos will posses Zodiark by the way its going
severe brook
they also haven't had the Walker of the Wheel show up in any Ivalice stuff even though they've also had several other Espers be present
somber quartz
I think he'll gain power over Zodiark, much like being elidibus but he stomps Zodiarks dick and takes control
severe brook
Shinryu also somewhat had a heart
heady shadow
so since Elidibus hs been walking round
Would that make Him a Heartless and Zodiark a Nobody? xD
severe brook
and Zenos possessed him
empty moss
like he did with shynru
gaunt star
Zodiark has no heart which could allow for Zenos to possess him
severe brook
Ilberd could be argued as being Shinryu's heart, to a much more crude design compared to the Elder Primals
and Zenos controlled that
actually
empty moss
not the same
gaunt star
no lol
severe brook
Shinryu is basically a dragon-shaped ball of rage
radiant badger
Bahamut was the primal summoned BY the dragons.
severe brook
the name Shinryu is probably Midgardsormr's Othardian Name
heady shadow
Shin is just Nidhogg;s eyes
gaunt star
also lets be real
radiant badger
Because allagans.
empty moss
Primals are not the same as the image that invoked them,
severe brook
so in that sense, kind of?
somber quartz
Difference between a dragon and a primal
gaunt star
ure assuming based on what you know on common primals
Zodiark and Hydaelyn are not common
empty moss
they are the OG
gaunt star
they are gods in the realm of primals
unique verge
Ugh
hollow lily
14 has so much going on lol
somber quartz
Common is something like ifrit who can be summoned over and over
severe brook
i wouldn't say Shinryu is common either, Shinryu's probably around the top tier of what modern Primals are like as soon as they're summoned
empty moss
and we will likly end up destroying them both
severe brook
though Shinryu lacks a story to define him, and is more just the embodiment of an idea
radiant badger
It was covered in heavensward/stormblood is all I know, what Shinryu is. I do know that Omega was made to combat it.
But beyond that I can't remember
somber quartz
Zodiark and Hydalean on the other hand need more than just crystals.
hollow lily
One thing I do hope now is we got a glimpse of much more unique animations compared to the typical canned affair
heady shadow
Omeg ws mde to combte drgons on the dragon str
hollow lily
In the final cutscene I mean
radiant badger
Was that it?
heady shadow
he;s fought Middy since before it came to the source
severe brook
Omega was made to hunt down the dragons of the Dragon Star, Midgardsormr might be what you're thinking of
heady shadow
ye
radiant badger
Aye. Ol middy then.
empty moss
It was covered in heavensward/stormblood is all I know, what Shinryu is. I do know that Omega was made to combat it.
@radiant badger no your thinking of Midsargomar
radiant badger
So.. Shinryu.. RIGHT shinryu just came outta nowhere because of 
severe brook
since it's implied that Midgardsormr is the real Shinryu in this iteration of the Omega Vs. Shinryu conflict
radiant badger
So he's a primal.
open verge
Ye we been seeing more animations in the shb
empty moss
yes we have
somber quartz
I love the normal animations
radiant badger
Middy = older than dirt dragon.
Shinryu = sloppeh primal.
empty moss
taps fingers on table
somber quartz
*funky not normal
severe brook
i mean that the name Shinryu was probably the name that the people of Othard used to refer to Midgardsormr
heady shadow
also
severe brook
since the name is from their legends
empty moss
probbaly actualy
radiant badger
We have Alisaie's headdesk
Alisaie's bored/annoyed sinking in her chair like a child
hollow lily
Just the slouching in the chair and the fingers down the staff I was like wait a minute were is my 14 animations gone this is better! Haha
somber quartz
I seriously loved the final cutscene
heady shadow
remember Nidhoggs eyes were used s the point.
severe brook
and Midgardsormr has the rivalry with this Omega that Shinryu usually has in other games
empty moss
waht
severe brook
Ilberd wanted a Primal greater than Bahamut
radiant badger
G'raha nearly drops his staff after Alisaie gives it back to him
somber quartz
My favorite part of the head smack is that she was talking and moving her hands like normal
severe brook
so the summoning pulled on the connection to Midgardsormr through Nidhogg's eyes as reference
but it's still a very twisted being and only used Middy as the vaguest basis
radiant badger
@somber quartz yeah, but I do that all the time anyways. Rest on forehead, not on face.
gaunt star
inb4 we fuse with Hydaelyn 
empty moss
G'raha not being used to having a MP bar it seems XD
somber quartz
Yeah lol
radiant badger
I mean he was an archer
lavish sluice
Or having to eat
radiant badger
Not a caster
empty moss
inb4 we fuse with Hydaelyn :GWunu2BGasm:
@gaunt star but i want to kill her to assert dominance
lavish sluice
Or not being heavy
severe brook
i feel like merging with Hydaelyn may be too obvious
gaunt star
@empty moss ull fuse with her and ull happily sing about it 😡
empty moss
then kill Zodi Zenos
gaunt star
obviously
somber quartz
Anyway I'm heading to work peace
lavish sluice
Zenos is just a red herring right?
severe brook
see ya
empty moss
and assume the mantle of Supreme balancer of Light and Dark
radiant badger
Zenos is a dead but not dead corpse
gaunt star
WoL Over Heaven
severe brook
nah Zenos is probably going to end up being the 6.0 final boss
gaunt star
all them jojo references
heady shadow
btw.
severe brook
in some capacity
radiant badger
Either way, IT'S WHITE AURACITE TIME
gaunt star
nani
radiant badger
heady shadow
did anyone else cry when Seto did?
gaunt star
yes
severe brook
yes
radiant badger
Man they gotta start stockpiling that shit
gaunt star
5.3 is where men cried.
lavish sluice
That final goodbye tour hurt
severe brook
i managed to predict Solus being Hades, though the specific circumstances were wrong. so i'm sticking to the Walker of the Wheel theory.
gaunt star
also Shtola roasting the furry guy
empty moss
haha
severe brook
my original thought was that the Garleans would summon Solus as a Primal of their own, and he'd be the undeniably dead Emperor, thus Hades.
radiant badger
I hate hrothgar on principle so that was mostly just annoying
gaunt star
lavish sluice
Eden part 3 will be interesting without Thancred or Urianger
heady shadow
Elidibus.... I wsnt expecting to shed a tear for him.
gaunt star
another man she sighs at
heady shadow
nah
severe brook
and then Varis would become a Resonant and possess the Hades primal to reference the Emperor usurping Satan in II
empty moss
we may be Greatest Warrior in all the realms but Shtola will always be the Sass master
gaunt star
its actually a roast since she called Magnai a boy too
radiant badger
Inb4 Yshtola goes gay for Matoya
gaunt star
...
severe brook
i had thought that would happen until we actually got Prelude in Violet
heady shadow
you know... if she actually thought that way
opaque hemlock
Yeah I'm really curious to see how Eden 9-12 go without Thancred and Urianger present
heady shadow
she wouldnt have decided to try world crossing on her own
lavish sluice
Emet Selch and Elidibus
Both doing evil things for righteous reasons
gaunt star
i know how it will go
mighty light
Urianger sassed harder than Y'shtola in the ending cinematic and you can't change my mind.
radiant badger
I don't think it was sass
gaunt star
Gaia will die
Ryne will die
We kill last boss
Tell bad news to Dadcred and Unclerianger
they commit sudoku
the end
lavish sluice
Just make Alisaie and WoL happen already
I've had enough of the teasing
gaunt star
onwards to 6.0
empty moss
the new guy and Zenos remind me of some Bane Joker Paring
lavish sluice
radiant badger
More they're just kind of finally actually getting some development between the two
nocturne void
https://media1.tenor.com/images/688db3ec1d8a6f366efc01c0f04c0890/tenor.gif?itemid=3566292 Going to get Graha from the tower like
lavish sluice
Time has passed since 2.0
gaunt star
lmao
empty moss
EU server
gaunt star
a year only
mighty light
Less than a year
severe brook
time's not real
lavish sluice
They were in the First for over a year
gaunt star
for them
severe brook
time's been stopped since alexander was killed
gaunt star
not physically
empty moss
actualy
lavish sluice
Time was never real
empty moss
he wasnt killed
radiant badger
Alexander isn't even dead
mighty light
Alexander was yeeted*
empty moss
he sealed himself off
severe brook
yeah i know but it's funnier this way
opaque hemlock
Alisaie and Alphinaud will hit their growth spurt soon enough
mighty light
Alexander yeeted himself*, to be more accurate
lavish sluice
6.0
radiant badger
He more just said 'Aight you pass the test' and fucked himself off into the past
gaunt star
UwUxander kunn
empty moss
future
gaunt star
footure
lavish sluice
They teased some development with the twins in the last cutscene
empty moss
like an eternal here now and then
severe brook
i do think we'll end up seeing time pass forward on the First at an inconsistent rate compared to the Source and an older Ryne who's become a Gunbreaker will show up
gaunt star
they were just saying how they didnt develop
severe brook
eventually
gaunt star
compared to the other 3
radiant badger
Nah, he's summoned to the past, THEN goes to the future/present
Then back to the past
mighty light
Pretty sure that was a snide joke at a certain segment of the fanbase's expense
radiant badger
He's basically in a time loop
mighty light
Given they did develop in ShB
severe brook
maybe
gaunt star
tho tbf Alisaie probably got one of the best abilities
the ability to remove tempering
teal geyser
omg
lavish sluice
Alphie upgraded to Chemist?
mighty light
We don't know if it can be used for that yet
empty moss
Nah, he's summoned to the past, THEN goes to the future/present
@radiant badger FORWARD AND BACK
lavish sluice
Alibae
gaunt star
whatever is going on
radiant badger
Cali. Bad.
mighty light
Cali breaking the Law
teal geyser
GIB
radiant badger
teal geyser
I WANT MY GUNDAM
radiant badger
NO
empty moss
lavish sluice
gaunt star
download the mod then
severe brook
the Gundam is likely to get destroyed in 5.4 calling it now
empty moss
or upgraded
gaunt star
oh.
radiant badger
But he still exists in the bunker
teal geyser
excellent
gaunt star
in my case
severe brook
emerald weapon's going to swoop in and blow up the hangar
lavish sluice
How did they fight the weapons in FF7?
lavish sluice
Or whatever game they are from
empty moss
they held thier breath
radiant badger
@lavish sluice cloud has a big sword.
empty moss
for a long time
radiant badger
That's all there is to it
severe brook
Sapphire got a big gun to the face
gaunt star
Cali, do u think we will fuse with zodiark or crystal mom?
lavish sluice
So when are we getting Kamen Rider?
empty moss
no thats diamond
teal geyser
radiant badger
Sapphire is basically the sole outlier
teal geyser
Cali, do u think we will fuse with zodiark or crystal mom?
mom
gaunt star
good
lavish sluice
Both
gaunt star
no
teal geyser
oh actually Diamond got shot too
bleak axle
the new guy and Zenos remind me of some Bane Joker Paring
@empty moss I'm getting game of throne chaotic evil vibes from those two
teal geyser
just we also fought it
lavish sluice
When the third, real enemy is revealed
teal geyser
Necron
radiant badger
I mean either way, for the others..
... Cloud has a big sword.
lavish sluice
We'll wield the power of light and dark to take on the true enemy
empty moss
i mean i hear Zenos isnt very popular but i think he is best opponent for WoL
lavish sluice
So when we beat the Ascians and Empire in 6.0 does that mean 7.0 will be us going back to killing bats?
radiant badger
Blue Shockwave as a tankbuster
radiant badger
(psst, who is that guy?)
gaunt star
Zenos isnt popular cause hes too cliche
empty moss
but arnt we
gaunt star
i mean sure but ure the player anyway
lavish sluice
7.0
You lose control of your character
They become evil
The plot is tracking them down and defeating them
gaunt star
why would u be on a popularity poll or something
empty moss
i mean
gaunt star
plus ppl make shitty fanfics about their characters and their past
empty moss
Clone fight would be funy
gaunt star
we already had one in DRK quests
lavish sluice
Actually a scenario where you fight yourself as a NPC would be funny
empty moss
WHM vs WHM
severe brook
we bascially just had a clone fight
gaunt star
or two actually..
Mecha WoL vs Mecha Zenos
when
so @teal geyser can have the gasm of all g asms
lavish sluice
Do we get a big butt like Zenos?
radiant badger
Last DRK quest is just ||your darkside shade coming to terms with how you do things|| basically
severe brook
you get a bit more thicc with every rejoining i'm so sorry
radiant badger
Fray gets chill 
lavish sluice
Butt slider unlocks when the final rejoining happens
radiant badger
Ye.
lavish sluice
The thiccening
valid mica
Cavities for everyone! WEEEEEEEE
lavish sluice
TOO MANY BABY CATS
MUST PROTECT
radiant badger
Surprisingly touching tbh, the last Fray cutscene
empty moss
a WHM vs WHM would be like the Jack sparrow vs hector barbossa in PotC 1
"so what will it be , we two immortals locked in endless combat till the trumpet sounds and the worlds ending"
radiant badger
All the times.
lavish sluice
radiant badger
I mean, Sparrow was fine with it.
molten pagoda
this mfs name is DANIEL
valid mica
She is all that matters from this whole patch.
lavish sluice
Daniel's biggest fan
molten pagoda
Lmao
floral schooner
Thunderbolt of lightning very very frightening
empty moss
i mean anger motivates my PC thats for sure
ill say this , are they going to do the 9 lives joke/theme with Y'Shtola
empty moss
ow i picked that one
radiant badger
AYMERIC, LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO YOU!
misty yoke
Well damn the patch 5.3 trailer
lavish sluice
THAT SCENARIO WITH ELIDIBUS WAS NOT OK