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#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
bold condor
Ilberd: My entire family burned in a fire, my best friend is wealthy as fuck and does nothing to help his homeland, and capitalists used me like a stoodge.
timid solstice
Please dont drag Zenos outside of 6.0
obsidian osprey
im already lvl 80 and etc
timid solstice
Thats all I ask
obsidian osprey
Please drag Zenos outside of 6.0
timid solstice
Oh I meant like in 6.1
obsidian osprey
^^
glacial turret
If they keep zenos for longer than 6.0 im skipping every cutscene
obsidian osprey
Indeed
untold gull
seeing ilberd's name... 
obsidian osprey
Oh
shell merlin
ah
bold condor
Ilberd is relatable as fuck, it's just that player morality is self-centered.
obsidian osprey
Then yesi guess i can agree with that
frail dune
i guess zenos till 6.3
bold condor
Players hate Ilberd because he personally hurt them.
timid solstice
Plsase kill him in 6.0
shell merlin
if he dies in next expansion idc
timid solstice
6.3 is Zodiark
bold condor
That Emet-Selch has done more to hurt the world than Ilberd ever did.
That Emet-Selch is the reason Ilberd exists.
Does not matter.
untold gull
i just don't like him because he's annoying tbh.
shell merlin
Im pretty sure fanfan zenos and zodiark will be the 3 baddies of next expansion in some shape and form
crimson pollen
tbh, when I saw Zenos again in that solo inst, went like "ahhh shit, here we go again"
shell merlin
6.3 is zod?
half tendon
Hey does anyone know where ||hildy|| spawns in heroes gauntlet
bold condor
Also, like, just frankly.
obsidian osprey
who's fanfan?
shell merlin
sorry
woeful bobcat
Zenos will help us fight the threat of 6.0 and die helping us calling it now
bold condor
People do not sympathize with refugees in general.
unique verge
Ilberd to me just boils down to "betray everyone as long as you get what you want in the end". in that sense, he reminds me of Zenos in terms of his level of willingness to throw away anyone and everyones lives to reach his objective, including his so-called allies - without their consent or knowledge.
glacial turret
Hey does anyone know where ||hildy|| spawns in heroes gauntlet
@half tendon last pulls before third boss
viscid monolith
People shit on Ala Mhigo all the time to the point where it's kind of uncomfortable
unique verge
Like, it was one thing when Ilberd was killing off his rivals/enemies as he perceived them.
bold condor
That's definitely an intentional parallel but consider that to get to that point, Ilberd did have to suffer several betrayals.
shell merlin
zenos literally sitting on the throne killing anyone who comes in
obsidian osprey
?
crimson pollen
No desert areas in 6.0, please. So many desert maps already -_-
bold condor
Ilberd didn't just wake up and decide to betray people one day.
timid solstice
Ala Mhigo theme > Doma theme
shell merlin
MORE DESERTS
gaunt star
I hate ala Mhigo cause ala Mhigan a are all bastards
shell merlin
WOO
viscid monolith
No, Zenos murdered everyone on the way to the throne
shell merlin
ah ok
glacial turret
Ala mhigo sucks but its square’s fault. They made ala mhigo bad to make doma good
obsidian osprey
Doma was dope
shell merlin
doma was cool but
obsidian osprey
so asian
umbral temple
so it seems like next expansion will be the last huh
obsidian osprey
LOL
half tendon
Wait I'm right before ths boss and i can't see him
shell merlin
lots of walking if you didnt get fly
bold condor
I mean, Doma looks good because Doman refugees were only refugees for a few months.
timid solstice
Doma is full of overrated cliche
viscid monolith
@glacial turret No I mean shit on Ala Mhigo as a nation
bold condor
Ala Mhigans had to live like that for two DECADES.
timid solstice
The only good place is Doman Enclave
shell merlin
ok so
unique verge
I mean if we want to go down that route
timid solstice
And it's only because of Cyan's theme
severe brook
why do people keep thinking the next expansion will be the last
shell merlin
@severe brook its last of arc
viscid monolith
Zenos took the throne. He's the Emperor now like I expected him to be.
shell merlin
but not last last
torpid yoke
people just dont know
severe brook
they only say it's the last story of the Star because Zodiark is the Star
bold condor
Ilberd escaped his homeland when it was occupied, and then worked his ass off as an adventurer to support his family. Then Garlemald killed his family by dropping a moon on the continent.
crimson pollen
Doma conclusion kinda of let me down, tbh. It was supposed to feel grand, but then scenes are you and you only see like these 15 guys around and when inside castle never get to witness the fight going on, only the damage
obsidian osprey
Hes the emperor?
glacial turret
Ffxvii next mmo
viscid monolith
Yes
frail dune
isnt this one supposed to be the last of the arc...???
obsidian osprey
Nani
shell merlin
no?
frail dune
with this patch
obsidian osprey
Wait what
frail dune
sec
gaunt star
so it seems like next expansion will be the last huh
@umbral temple not even close
obsidian osprey
Zenos is emperor
frail dune
sec i'll re-check ll
bold condor
Then his so-called best friend did nothing to better the plight of Ala Mhigans despite the fact that he was literally one of the six richest people in the richest nation in Eorzea.
obsidian osprey
I thought he didnt want to sit in that pointless chair
unique verge
Doman refugees made something of themselves. Ala Mhigan refugees didnt on average. On top of that, Ala Mhigo is looked upon negatively not because of refugees, but because Ala Mhigo itself was kind of a shitty state before it got conquered.
severe brook
5.3 is the end of the Ascian story, 6.0 will likely be the end of the Hydaelyn vs. Zodiark story. Then the Sound will probably be next.
bold condor
What
severe brook
what
timid solstice
I have no qualms with Ilberd
viscid monolith
Ok ya this is the uncomfortable part
bold condor
Wow, there's a lot to unpack there.
Especially with how fucking inaccurate that is to the lore.
severe brook
i'm reasonably certain the civilian population weren't responsible for Theodoric
obsidian osprey
I still hate Illberd
glacial turret
Wtf is the sound
unique verge
Like, lets not forget that pre-Garleans, Ala Mhigo literally went to war with Gridania (and was entirely at fault for that war, and engaged in really shitty underhanded bullshit as well)
bold condor
"Ala Mhigans didn't on average" you say, but the refugee population isn't given jobs because that's not how Ul'dah works.
viscid monolith
@glacial turret 1.0 shit
glacial turret
Huh
unique verge
So Eorzea has no reason to like Ala Mhigo
severe brook
the thing that drove the Ancients mad
bold condor
Domans got off easy because they didn't have to deal with Ul'dah.
glacial turret
Oh
viscid monolith
Wait no nvm
bold condor
Ul'dahns won't give you a fair wage, some won't even give you a wage.
viscid monolith
The Sound is what cause the ancients to lose control of their powers
glacial turret
I blame lalafells for ul’dah’s shittiness
torpid yoke
5.3 is the end of the Ascian story
@severe brook I'd say its more the end of the unsundered story
crimson pollen
Tbh, they chose a horrible moment to make u fight for Ala Mhigo... Exactly when Ala Mhigans were antagonizing you in the plot. Obviously many would feel difficult to have simpathy
severe brook
Odds are, if Zodiark and Hydaelyn are both gone, then the source of the Sound will rear its ugly head again
untold gull
ul'dah is what capitalism is behind closed doors is like
severe brook
that's fair, especially with Fandaniel showing up
bold condor
Domans didn't have to deal with that because Ul'dah kicked them right out.
unique verge
Okay, and they spent how long just basically sitting around in Ul'dah? The ones who left Ul'dah are mostly portrayed as having done better.
bold condor
They didn't "sit around"
What kind of negative fucking perception of human life is that
untold gull
it just occurred to me. if the next expac will have to do with garlemald, will there be a chance to see where omega weapon came from after that?
glacial turret
I love lore discussions you all get so angry
bold condor
Didn't do anything for 20 years
viscid monolith
It was just a sound
frail dune
bold condor
They worked as miners
untold gull
spoopy link 
bold condor
They helped found a settlement
frail dune
it's from the same channel lmao
frail dune
anyway it says - The ending/finale of the main story scenario is already decided (Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc). So please look forward to it™️. Just because Hydaelyn-Zodiark arc ends doesn't mean the end of FFXIV. There will be a new story arc beyond this
bold condor
And forced to fight for his life for no reason
gaunt star
So what’s the deal with Fandaniel can someone explain? Is he a reincarnate of an Ascian? A sundered one? A secret unsundered Ascian? What
crimson pollen
Some Ala Mhigans decided to stay. Gundobald says so. 20 years is a lot of time. Some became prosperous. Some found love. Some had already made a new life, Ul'Dahn children, etc....
frail dune
i'm confuse q.q
bold condor
And somehow that's his fault for being born Ala Mhigan?
shell merlin
@gaunt star he is anti boomer ascian
unique verge
I'm implying that the Ala Mhigan refugees in Ul'dah proper / right outside the gates (not the surrounding regions) are portrayed as not taking alot of agency in fixing their situation. Most that are portrayed in other areas are shown as doing better.
shell merlin
no more boomer plans
shrewd cypress
i hope after we kill hydalyn and zodiark we have a fun time traveling story that breaks previously established lore
untold gull
oh, damn. so maybe i called it? new adventures on the horizon, namely wherever the fuck omega weapon came from?
timid solstice
All the unsundered are gone
bold condor
The refugees outside the gates aren't even Ala Mhigans lmao
timid solstice
According to Fandaniel
gaunt star
@gaunt star he is anti boomer ascian
@shell merlin and what is his plan?
bold condor
Those are refugees from the Calamity.
shell merlin
@gaunt star he is a split ascian and since all the old ones are dead he cna do what he wants
and nobody knows
frail dune
did that not mean this patch is end of hydaelyn/zodiark?
shell merlin
no
untold gull
that's what makes him more dangerous tbh
torpid yoke
also i saw earlier a convo of who the shade that brought us back from the dark sea was and it's more likely to have been a shade of Hades since the shade did both the snap and the hand wave which were pretty signature to hades and would match with Azem's power to call upon their comrades
glacial turret
i hope after we kill hydalyn and zodiark we have a fun time traveling story that breaks previously established lore
@shrewd cypress are we in ffxi
bold condor
And they're doing their best, too.
gaunt star
So why did he choose Asahi of all the bodies he can choose
torpid yoke
I.e A shade of hades
unique verge
Eh, point stands though. The ones in Ul'dah proper are portrayed in a certain way, but the ones elsewhere are not.
untold gull
you can't tell what he'll do
glacial turret
So why did he choose Asahi of all the bodies he can choose
@gaunt star money
gaunt star
Asahi isn’t even strong physically
bold condor
That's not fair, Ul'dah is not an okay place to live as a refugee.
untold gull
no but he has money
gaunt star
An Ascian who wants money? Damn...
shell merlin
@gaunt star he doesnt need to be strong
frail dune
ok
bold condor
It just seems really reductionist to dismiss the refugees problems as "they're lazy"
timid solstice
He chose Asashi so SE can throw a middle finger at us
shell merlin
elidibus was not strong
untold gull
he legit has an entire routine with speech and all that it's all about money
viscid monolith
Uldah is a shit hole. Everyone is poor. No shit the Ala Mhigans in Uldah aren't well off.
glacial turret
He can manipulate a lot of people with money
timid solstice
Asahi
bold condor
Like, these people are willing to work and able to work and trying to work
But Ul'dah is a place where actual wage slavery is legal
unique verge
Okay, but why did they stay in Ul'dah?
shell merlin
i wonder if his vast amounts of money will fuck up ul dah and shit
shell merlin
so uh
unique verge
There's plenty of places to go outside the city proper.
unique verge
You see Ala Mhigan refugees everywhere else.
severe brook
fandaniel: "money is worth the value of many swords"
zenos: "explain how"
fandaniel: "money can be exchanged for goods and services"
obsidian osprey
Asahi
shell merlin
we ever get closure on Lolorito Nanarito
unique verge
I'm saying the ones that specifically stay in Ul'dah are portrayed in a negative light
obsidian osprey
Asahi is....an absolute disgrace of a human
timid solstice
Think of the American dream
crimson pollen
Godbert is changing Ul'Dah for the better 
bold condor
I... yes, that is my point?
shell merlin
cause i feel like he still has shit to do
timid solstice
That's literally what happened to refuges
glacial turret
I want yotsuyu back i actually liked her
bold condor
Like, Ala Mhigan refugees work in the Gold Saucer, in the Ceruleum Processing Plant, in the railyard, in Little Ala Mhigo, in the Immortal Flames...
slender merlin
This channel quickly turned into #archived-lore-spoilers tells everyone they're wrong. 
bold condor
They work all over the damn place.
timid solstice
Yotsuyu shouldve died in Doma Castle :)
unique verge
My assumption is that they dont live in Ul'dah if they're that far out though.
Like i doubt that Godberts staff lives in Ul'dah
glacial turret
I forgot is gosetsu still alive
shell merlin
ye
bold condor
He literally said they're Ul'dahn refugees...
obsidian osprey
^^
gaunt star
he quit SAM and main MNK
obsidian osprey
Basically
glacial turret
Poor papalyno and moenbryda so far the only permanent deaths
shell merlin
he went monk and religion
obsidian osprey
honestly I thought Gosetsu was dead
timid solstice
Imagine switching from top tier dps to monk
crimson pollen
The issue with bringing Yotsuyu is like George Lucas said once about Darth Vader: He cpuldnt bring him back, give a history with his sons and forget about the consequences of all he done. He'd need to face trials, etc... and pay for his crimes. Same situation here.
unique verge
Just considering the distances involved it would be quite unreasonable for them to travel that far on a daily basis to work
bold condor
Why would it?
unique verge
Since most people cant teleport
bold condor
Yes they can.
bold condor
Most people absolutely can teleport.
bold condor
And even then, the only way to the Saucer otherwise is by airship.
Which is a private airship.
bold condor
It's a quick flight to southern Thanalan.
shell merlin
lol athrun
unreal wadi
WHAT THE HELL
gaunt star
the international space station
torpid yoke
yea just under the moutain
unique verge
What am i looking at in that screenshot?
unreal wadi
plot twist
glacial turret
The bunker
unique verge
Ah
havent done the new 24 man yet
Figured i'd spare myself the day 1 clusterfuck
lol
glacial turret
Kholusia geography is really weird
glacial turret
Taking into account the nier raid
untold gull
day 1 clusterfuck is really fun
unique verge
Priority 1 was getting MSQ done and Dwarves unlocked.
timid solstice
It took my pug group 2 hours to clear WoL Normal
glacial turret
Day 1 is the best way to run new 24 man
gaunt star
u can floortank and nobody blames u
untold gull
no one can get angry at you for messing up which is so nice since everyone is learning
unique verge
what the fuck
gaunt star
unique verge
2 hours
pine epoch
unique verge
It took my DF randoms 2 pulls
pine epoch
Look at this totally not a villain
unique verge
lol
timid solstice
ppl can't stack in Crystal
severe brook
Garlean Psycho starring Christian Bale
unique verge
Oh right. Crystal
glacial turret
Oh right you’re on crystal
unique verge
lul
glacial turret
The land of bads
untold gull
gaunt star
rip
viscid monolith
For the record a majority of people can teleport
pine epoch
Wyrlet questline
untold gull
we casuals, tyvm
glacial turret
Bads
obsidian osprey
whatst aht
glacial turret
There are good casuals
unique verge
Crystal be like "WHY DOES IT HURT WHEN I MOVE? BETTER KEEP MOVING"
obsidian osprey
that*
timid solstice
We kept wiping in the double cannon thing
glacial turret
Crystal players: this sign says pause i better keep on running
untold gull
oh dude, that trial...
pine epoch
Look at this totally not a villain dude but without armor
timid solstice
Because they dont know how to stack
glacial turret
Also : this sign says play i should just STAND STILL
unique verge
I mean even if the sign didnt say pause
pine epoch
Sorrows of Wyrlet is the questline involving Gaius and the Weapons of FF7
unique verge
its a debuff called Pyretics. Which everyone has seen in MSQ before.
glacial turret
yeah i know
untold gull
not to mention some people can't tell which aoe is happening because they're not paying attention to boss
obsidian osprey
i see
glacial turret
But the signs make it even more obvious
untold gull
or the screen for that one boss in nier raid
gaunt star
i like how the japs don't need communication and complete SoS, but i cnt speak their tongue
timid solstice
O-oh yeah that
gaunt star
it's the same thing as the spider robot
unique verge
Pyretics is used by the 5 headed dragon in World of Darkness
gaunt star
sort of
timid solstice
Oh
timid solstice
I didnt give a shit about devuffs in there
untold gull
OH LOOK, IT TOOK, WHAT, THREE? FOUR EXPACS TO GET THERE?
timid solstice
Cos I never died in that boss
glacial turret
You did back in the day
unique verge
same for the freeze mechanic. It's used by the first boss in Snowcloak
glacial turret
Not now tho
gaunt star
Anyone know if unreal is bugged or invented?
untold gull
the macguffin that was forgotten
viral sandal
why did elidibus take on the appearance of the WoL in that fight again? i forgot, was it more about the good and evil morales he was talking about before in amarout?
untold gull
because it was him
unique verge
No it wasnt lol
glacial turret
Not this again
crimson pollen
here we go
severe brook
He took on the form of the Warrior of Light to gain power to stand against the WoD
unique verge
its heavily implied that the original WoL was Azem. Which is us. Elidibus in an Echo flashback is shown as essentially...idolizing Azem.
So that's what form he picked
gaunt star
so you are saying the lyrics is actually about sabik and not BIG FAT TACOS?!
untold gull
oh is that it?
severe brook
that too
unreal wadi
BIG FAT TACOS
BIG FAT TACOS
SO BIGGG
untold gull
i kinda got that from him talking about he had been different people, fighting with and against his people and all that
severe brook
well, at least that the original Warrior of Light was a shard of Azem, depending on when that legend originated
untold gull
how he's also been warrior of light and all
severe brook
pre- or post-sundering
glacial turret
I see it as an ysayle/shiva situation in which he took the primal form of the WoL to get power
gaunt star
Ironic. Man pretends to be his idol to fight his idol. What a loser 🤣🤣🤣
untold gull
that would make more sense 
viral sandal
ty guys
timid solstice
Kinda funny
gaunt star
It is funny
severe brook
beef and tacos, and beef, and tacos, and beef and tacos, supreme!
untold gull
lol
gaunt star
We should have had the option to mock him
untold gull
i can hear that with music
gaunt star
Give him a wedgie
timid solstice
Cos FF1 WoL is some kind of lab bred human or something
unique verge
and in the end, he cant remember that the promise he made was, presumably, to Azem themselves originally.
timid solstice
Not literally lab bred
unique verge
Elidibus is a broken shell
severe brook
the dissidia retcon is really weird
glacial turret
Ff1 according to dissidia is a cid of the lufaine clone
untold gull
dissidia is a weird game. i mean, nice fighting game, but that lore is weird af
severe brook
considering you don't need to have a Warrior in your party in FF1
open verge
Can’t wait for materia show up
timid solstice
What kind
pine epoch
On another note I now have to wait 6 weeks now for bozja
timid solstice
Crafter materia is very easy to get rn
pine epoch
The main content I'm excited for
heady shadow
no Materia the charcter
glacial turret
Materia the thot
severe brook
we have Cosmos at home
gaunt star
I’m a bit surprised who TF thinks he can take on WoL after all the dudes WoL has taken down? What hope does Gabranth have?? Lol
Gabranth should retire
heady shadow
Noah isnt that old?
untold gull
what are the chances we'll need ivalice raids clear for 6.0 
timid solstice
Red Card Daisy
glacial turret
Wtf why
untold gull
i just realized it with all the bozjan content and quite possibly garlemald next expac
severe brook
well if 6.0 is Ilsabard
gaunt star
just try to do all content except EX and savages
timid solstice
Because you broke this [insert obscure annoying ass rule here]
severe brook
and Ivalice is in Ilsabard
gaunt star
glacial turret
Gabranth is the hottest judge u hate to see it
untold gull
oh, is it? god, i need a map of the source. this is getting annoying
radiant badger
I heard beef and tacos, are we talking about T9 grandpa again?
severe brook
unfortunately the one map that shows all the continents has ivalice covered by fog
untold gull
i thought ivalice is south
radiant badger
No?
glacial turret
And gabranth’s weapons could be a fun new weapon for xiv
radiant badger
TOO DAMN BAD
timid solstice
Imagine believing in Eorzea
untold gull
oh, so ivalice is under the fog too, damn
timid solstice
Gaius was right
open verge
The 6.0 zones better look cool
gaunt star
EorZea is shit
timid solstice
Believing in Eorzea is to believe in nothing
open verge
Eorzea is just naturally ugly
severe brook
look eorzea was designed in a different time
open verge
It’s all battlefields and ruins
severe brook
it'd be nicer if it was made now i think
open verge
The first looks so nice 
shrewd cypress
I think we should nuke ala migo
severe brook
norvrandt is mostly yellow and they made it look nice
glacial turret
Same
untold gull
heady shadow
gonna miss the first
open verge
The architecture of the first is so much cooler then the source
glacial turret
Why cant we just nuke garlemald and be done with it
untold gull
lakeland is prettier than entire eorzea
heady shadow
I feel like 6.0 will be another SB T^T
timid solstice
6.0 is actually game throwing a curveball at you and we're traveling to the second
open verge
All the shb zones are cooler
glacial turret
Me too bc zenos is back on being the main villain
shrewd cypress
Stormblood is like the sequel Star Wars movies of ffxiv
humble glade
I need a meme. 'I've only had Riqi-Tio for about a day, but if anything were to happen to her I'd kill everyone in this room and then myself'.
severe brook
i wouldn't even say Stormblood is bad, it's just not as good
untold gull
nah, someone linked an article about it and it said next expac is def hydaelyn vs zodiark
open verge
I like Zenos but he’s not main villian worthy
heady shadow
I dont mind zenosa tbh
severe brook
i'd give stormblood more credit than the sequel trilogy
unique verge
I dont dislike SB. I just dislike some of SB's core characters and it somewhat sours the experience.
severe brook
stormblood isn't a shameless cash grab
timid solstice
Stormblood trials and dungeons though?
glacial turret
Riqi tio is the cutest character ever and I wish I could olay as her
timid solstice
Top notch
timid solstice
I havent tried Omega
shrewd cypress
Tsukuyomi was good though
untold gull
i dislike how we suddenly got sent to another place in the middle of the story for SB
unique verge
obligator Lyse is boring and bad
shrewd cypress
Good story arc
untold gull
lyse was good as soon as she got her final outfit
timid solstice
I actually hated Tsukuyomi arc
gaunt star
btw where do we get the russian dance
shrewd cypress
Lyse sucked ass
untold gull
because before that red outfit, she was trash. like her outfit.
shrewd cypress
I liked her better as Yda
glacial turret
She needed papalymo to be a good char
untold gull
but can't have character growth, yeah
unique verge
SB's story would be alot more believable if M'naago become the new resistance commander, tbh
severe brook
Susano and Lakshmi were cool
timid solstice
- Why are we sympathizing Yotsuyu despite what she have all done
- Her "redemption" ruined Gosetsu's life
errant mortar
@gaunt star probably the dwarf beast tribe
gaunt star
ah damn
untold gull
yotsuyu threw away a second chance at life for revenge
gaunt star
dwarves are Russians
unique verge
Yotsoyu didnt get redeemed at all. She had amnesia, and once it went away, she went back to who she was.
untold gull
she's a villain character that you can't change no matter what. a different kind of scale to the ascians at least
obsidian osprey
which is weird because she's.....a monk...
heady shadow
people thought she was a dancer at first xD
obsidian osprey
SAME
unique verge
The only thing that changed really is that she was made more sympathetic by showing what created her
untold gull
wasn't her red outfit some kind of traditional monk garb or something. i forgot, but it was something along the lines of that
timid solstice
Lyse was fist fighting in there
untold gull
i do like what they did with yotsuyu
timid solstice
Fist fighting and kicking
untold gull
with her story, at least.
timid solstice
Like a monk
untold gull
look, i don't remember the name of the outfit. it's some traditional shit or something
timid solstice
I just don't like that Yotsuyu was even given a chance at redemption tbh
timid solstice
She should've stayed dead at the bottom of the Doma Castle rubble
shrewd cypress
I think it posed a good moral dilemma
If someone did horrible things and got amnesia, is it still right to punish them
timid solstice
I guess
shrewd cypress
Since you’re basically punishing someone that isn’t the same person that did the horrible things
heady shadow
so just started the nier raid
untold gull
but that's what i like about yotsuyu's story. it's not that she wants some redemption. it's more like she was given a second chance but instead she decided that she'd rather seek revenge instead
timid solstice
And that they also wanted to contrast yotsuyu and that woman
heady shadow
HAHAHAHAHAHH ||2P IS A ASSHOLE LOL||
untold gull
aaaaah, i don't have words for it right now
timid solstice
Fordola I think?
untold gull
ah, yes yes that
obsidian osprey
poor Fordola
obsidian osprey
I hate Ala mhigo
hmph
Saying ur a kin slayer
but they're no different from her
ur no kin of mine indeed
shrewd cypress
Who’s fordola again LOL
obsidian osprey
She had every right to say that
unique verge
Orange hair, Stormblood, face tattoo. Leader of the Skulls
glacial turret
The ugly highlander
obsidian osprey
yep
shrewd cypress
Oh she’s got the fake echo
glacial turret
What even happened to her
timid solstice
Still in jail
unique verge
She's active in the story currently
untold gull
imo they're both interesting. but yeah, they're similar and yet the path they both took at the end were stark contrast to each other
unique verge
just not on-screen
glacial turret
Oh
obsidian osprey
lol
unique verge
Fordola, while we've been busy, has been non-stop working with Arenvald to keep the primal threat under control
severe brook
in the eorzean equivalent of the suicide squad
heady shadow
fordola been killing primals with whats his name
timid solstice
Let us now talk about the real villain, Laurentius
obsidian osprey
I hate him
shrewd cypress
Who
obsidian osprey
and that.....stupid little lalafell
obsidian osprey
I cant believe i remember those crystal brave nerds
timid solstice
He backstabbed us twice
obsidian osprey
I hate them
heady shadow
did they die?
obsidian osprey
Yuyukaze
timid solstice
Depends on your choice
obsidian osprey
I want them to die .-.
timid solstice
I think
unique verge
I'm really glad that we were given the option to tell Raubahn to execute them
untold gull
jesus, iv'e been here for ages.....i've yet to start the sapphire weapon quest 
unique verge
Exactly what they fucking deserved
untold gull
wait, we got that option? i don't remember that
obsidian osprey
Either way. Death sounds so sweet when u put it with their names
unique verge
Yes, we did
timid solstice
We could spare him
unique verge
In 4.1 or 4.2
obsidian osprey
LOL
timid solstice
But why would you
obsidian osprey
why would you spare them
obsidian osprey
They're not even sorry for their actions
heady shadow
yeah
obsidian osprey
Plus they're assholes.
unique verge
They're unforgivable because of the motives.
obsidian osprey
they only cause trouble
untold gull
but i was thinking that it's better they suffer until they die instead of giving a quick out
untold gull
i don't remember what i did
unique verge
Laurentius sides with whoever is convenient at the time. Be it the Garleans, the Braves, Ilberd's psychosis, whatever. Yuyuhaze is purely in it for money and will gladly sell out anyone for more of it.
Fuck both of them
obsidian osprey
They wont cause anyone trouble and trouble themselves....again
graceful valve
true power is getting 7 commendations on the new trial. I know it ain't much, but godDAMN I feel powerful right now lmao
obsidian osprey
Money...dw about that anymore
timid solstice
Laurentius was spared once already
unique verge
Fordola, as much of a bitch as she was, was just "on the opposite side"
timid solstice
Why spare him again
unique verge
Like i dont think that characters are inherently evil just by being on the opposite side.
heady shadow
anyway. first bit of nier raid opinion of mine ||I knew 2P was a bad guy.. screamed bad.|| XD
untold gull
dude, we got the real one tho
so we get their weapons on the last nier raid, don't we
unique verge
2B sword for DRK? Yes please.
untold gull
i need my nier weapons so bad
timid solstice
2B: "Wow I'm now in this new world-"
sees 90% of miqos and vieras in her leggings
untold gull
i need those swords
timid solstice
Has it been explained in nier automata how the f can the android see
Even with their blindfolds
severe brook
the blindfolds have electronic displays on the underside if i remember right
untold gull
they're visors
timid solstice
Ah
untold gull
but, of course, yoko taro probably just had that explanation to justify having blindfolds
heady shadow
Hmm... so tell me ||are watcher mechanics hard?||
untold gull
you never know, he's a mad man who actually wants a full raid wipe during the game
which one is that again
timid solstice
SB went full Naruto
untold gull
i never paid attention to name
heady shadow
white things
timid solstice
Bring the dead baxk
heady shadow
white ugly formed things
timid solstice
"Dead"
heady shadow
btw
untold gull
is that the final boss?
timid solstice
Will we see a CEO in 5.5?
untold gull
oh, don't worry much about it.
just pay attention to as much visual cues as you can see
also, hallway of doom
timid solstice
I have a dilemma about visual queues
Apparently WoL EX uses handsigns to telegraph attacks
heady shadow
yeah....
timid solstice
But all the flashy effects distracts me
unique verge
Then turn them off
heady shadow
plus I dont know if they threw in any drakngard mechanics either T^T
timid solstice
And I like watching those flashy effects
obsidian osprey
WoL has an ext fight?
Wth
oh wait...
WHAT THE HELL
Dont wanna imagine that
severe brook
[pb]||there's a sequence in the first boss that is probably a drakengard reference||
heady shadow
||Intoner stuff anybe with the DNA sequence thing?||
unique verge
What does WoL EX even drop?
obsidian osprey
^^
timid solstice
Idek
unique verge
i havent looked yet
obsidian osprey
Does anyone know
heady shadow
weapons?
torpid yoke
queen beast
timid solstice
Probably a mount
thin spruce
You just destroyed a little boy’s dreams of bringing back his people and loved ones, i hope you feel good about yourself
obsidian osprey
I hope a weapon
unique verge
I know it drops a mount but what else
heady shadow
what did the last story ex drop?
obsidian osprey
@thin spruce LOL thats what i said. I feel like the villain now.
severe brook
i don't remember if it's the ||dna sequence,|| but the ||Soul's Last Song part seems like it's clearly a reference to how Drakengard 1 and Drakengard 3 end with a rhythm game||
obsidian osprey
Elidibus is legit a hero of his own sad story.
unique verge
nvm
obsidian osprey
he couldnt finish the job
unique verge
I looked it up
obsidian osprey
he died in vain sadly
unique verge
Weapons
obsidian osprey
and we gave him no hope
unique verge
495
unique verge
idk
untold gull
he didn't finish the job but didn't he say he can finally be together with them or something?
unkempt geyser
uhhh anyone has a gif of krile eating bread in the last cutscene
untold gull
he's a lonely lil boy
heady shadow
also this is making me remeber...
untold gull
why not just go to totem exchange to view those weapons
timid solstice
How does primal ascian work
untold gull
also that axe is uglier than the one that cna be exchanged
unique verge
Where's the totem exchange at btw?
untold gull
ascian. he's the heart of zodiark
severe brook
he is a primal of the ascian he was
quasi trellis
Yeah where is the totem exchange by the way
gaunt star
Eulmore
untold gull
or that yes
severe brook
or at least, primal is the closest description for what he is
untold gull
that definitely makes more sense
with the crystals, at least he finally remembers a bit about the others, even if it's just a part of them
severe brook
he's basically a selection of zodiark's aether, equal to the amount that was in Elidibus when he became Zodiark's heart, with enough of Elidibus' memories and personality to hold him together and serve in the role as Emissary
but he's not the person he was when he became the heart
latent galleon
Where do you unlock Warriors of Light Ex?
dull jolt
So finished with the MSQ, Im real curious about the last line of "final chapter in this star". Is it like referring to the source?
severe brook
i think it's referring to zodiark specifically
timid solstice
Crystarium
severe brook
as zodiark was described as giving the Star a will of its own
heady shadow
I think it's safe to say
timid solstice
Minstrel like always
heady shadow
Elidibus was a primal?
untold gull
someone linked something about next expac being hydaelyn vs zodiark earlier which makes much more sense with that line
severe brook
essentially
severe brook
he was a primal of himself created by zodiark to better guide the convocation
heady shadow
I wonder how he split of Zodi.....
severe brook
he probably is the actual elidibus' "soul," but doesn't have all of the original's memories
wait
he's a Shanoa/Schrodinger
heady shadow
also still cant get over that he is just a kid
untold gull
lil eli
obsidian osprey
I thought what the dialogue in anamesis stated that the elidibus we knew was someone different
Was this what they were referring to?...
untold gull
i think so
obsidian osprey
Weird
untold gull
so it's him but also isn't
obsidian osprey
Thats a weird way of putting it
polar star
YEAHHHHH GOT PASSED ADDS IN WOL EXTREME
untold gull
which somehow, in the grand scheme of things, actually makes sense
severe brook
it does explain some of the inconsistencies in his personality.
in that he has no personality beyond what was deemed necessary for him to fulfill his mission, and maybe some incomplete residual things
dull jolt
That trial was insane
untold gull
who knew having a cardboard personality makes sense as a lore piece
unique verge
The true nature of Elidibus explains something else too
Why lahabrea and emet didnt treat him as an 'equal'
timid solstice
Didnt he manage to remember a piece of his memory
untold gull
yeah he did
carmine basin
For anyone wondering how the new trust member cross the platform in Dohn Mheg, ||He just runs through it, I think faster than Alisaie 😂 Will compare their speed on another run||
untold gull
which made his goodbye a bit more bittersweet
vital brook
I wonder where all the "Catboi is gonna die" people are now...
untold gull
he kinda did. but he also didn't
hardy rivet
well
wide lion
Does it bother anyone else the hero and exarch are fucking idiots?
timid solstice
I mean catboi dying didn't matter in the first place
carmine basin
I mean they're both wrong and right
untold gull
idiots, how
wide lion
Why would they do all 5 crystals at the same time?
timid solstice
We knew he was in source CT
wide lion
If they are so unsure it would work... like do one at a time
untold gull
because they're pressed for time
wide lion
Thancred had enough time to close the deal on Ryne and become a criminal.
severe brook
they were starting to pass out more and more
obsidian osprey
LOL
vital brook
Oi no
obsidian osprey
what is the whole personal development thing with alisaie and alphinaud supposed to mean lol
untold gull
been talking here and i've still yet to do this
obsidian osprey
new classes?!?!?!?
timid solstice
First took a big toll on uwuanger and it changed him... forever
wide lion
That's the most exciting part about 5.3
hardy rivet
they're gonna grow body hair
wide lion
Anyone else saw Necromancer and Berserker and went POGGGGGG
timid solstice
But war is berserker
obsidian osprey
isnt Warrior the berserker?
wide lion
Oh please.
coarse pond
Elidibus memories did build up his character a little. It seems he was is similar situation as this small catgirl. Kid inspired by Warrior of Light
timid solstice
Lets talk about that ink mage
untold gull
beastmaster would be, what, put in with the summoner
yeah, ink mage got me wondering too
severe brook
berserker just felt like warrior with a dark knight greatsword
untold gull
what even were the skills they were using
unique verge
I dont think ink mage is anything more than "they wanted an SCH/SMN model, but couldnt have it summon shit"
untold gull
oh
severe brook
i guess i could maybe see it as melee dps
unique verge
Absolute Ruin was one of them. So its just that.
wide lion
I don't think they'll do another pet class anytime soon
severe brook
but it's probably just alternate warrior
untold gull
dat giant berserker tho
coarse pond
Imagine use summoning spell to summon summoners who then summon their summons
wide lion
but a berserker (dps verson of warrior basically) would be so POG
untold gull
need me some of that fur armour
timid solstice
So apo is alternate sch?
untold gull
and that gigantic sword
wide lion
I really really hope Lyna had her way with the exarch's body and got some crystal in herself.
severe brook
what
timid solstice
Was necromancer ever a playable class in FF?
unique verge
That's a bit....weird
dull jolt
Hey where do we go for the Nier quest
unique verge
Given the age dichonomy with those two
quasi trellis
Where does the Necromancer minion drop? I assume last boss of new dungeon?
hardy rivet
kholusia @dull jolt
unique verge
why would you not just....go do the story?
dull jolt
Where in Kholusia? Because I forgot where that cave was
timid solstice
At the very north
hardy rivet
east dwarf village
quasi trellis
There should be a blue+ @dull jolt
timid solstice
So when are we traveling to twelveth
noble jetty
ok so i don't know if this has been reported yet but
i really like the detail that if you run back to the crystarium before doing the first dungeon, the doors are sealed
dull jolt
Dang I don't see one
spiral wagon
hey in the trust post game what is Graha's class?
obsidian osprey
What did you say your name was
spiral wagon
or hold on
timid solstice
Im not hyped for Asahi v2 and Zenos v2
spiral wagon
oh so he still is an all arounder
timid solstice
But im hyped to travel to Garlean
hardy rivet
still the same old zenos
hardy rivet
kill everyone because why not zenos
obsidian osprey
thats what u meant
noble jetty
he's one of the 13 overlord ascians, according to wiki
wide lion
O_O
noble jetty
overlord meaning red mask
random anvil
Lemme replay the Silver wepaon fighht 
hearty monolith
Do we know what's the song for Gwiber of light yet?
noble jetty
yeah only 3 ascians were unsundered
timid solstice
Unsundered arc is donezo
wide lion
Alisae is great.
hardy rivet
do you think fandaniel is gonna hire yojimbo with all that gil
obsidian osprey
Alisaie is my wife
timid solstice
Alibae
noble jetty
alisaie is a mood
obsidian osprey
^^
timid solstice
What did Romeo see in Juliet
obsidian osprey
Zenos reminds me of Vayne Solidor tho
pure thorn
God I cried like a little bitch that I am during that one with ||Ardbert and Seto||
timid solstice
And think of all the books about Du Barry's looks
What was it made her the toast of Paris?
She had a well-developed personality
timid solstice
So personality = boobz clearly
pure thorn
The other ones are sweet and funny but that one broke me 😦
timid solstice
Uwuanger worked too hard
He took a toll in his poor mind and soul
And it changed him... forever
lucid tundra
great translation, 10/10
craggy pawn
what stuff do the patches after 5.3 add?
quasi trellis
5.4 has Eden, 5.5 has the last nier
story wise it's preparing for the new expansion
scenic vigil
do we know when that flight unit mount from the live letter is being added to the game? it's a model match for the model shown in the picture of the fight for the 1v1 critical engagement from bozjan southern front, so I assume it's coming in 5.35 as part of that, but I'm just wanting to ask just in case anyone knows if its here already from some other capacity.
foggy coyote
she a big girl now, she'll be okay
obsidian osprey
@wide lion I see you're a man of culture
I love Zenos too
my personal favorite ff14 villain
wide lion
Zenos is going to merge with Zodiark. Hero will crush him, completing the final chaper of Zodiark as the star.
spare axle
i liked emet-selch more
obsidian osprey
Makes sense.
spare axle
but zenos is fine i guess
obsidian osprey
Oh no no no
emet selch is obviously the best antagonist of ff14
without a doubt
but again
obsidian osprey
u know how everyone has their personal fav character
pearl rock
it was a let down
foggy coyote
I actually hope Zenos doesn't merge with Zodiark or whatever. I just find that idea so predictably lame.
spare axle
let down? holy fuck, i was very very happy with the MSQ
obsidian osprey
I see Zenos just slaying the fuck out of it and saying hey WoL lets have a grand finale
spare axle
but tastes differ i guess
hardy rivet
I liked the dungeon and the trial yeah
pearl rock
if u enjoyed it all the more to you
but it's very reliant on you liking G'Raha which... I do not.
spare axle
D:
spare axle
graha is my all time favourite FFXIV character so far
pearl rock
I find his obsession and constant pedestal that he places you on to be real uncomfortable
hardy rivet
it feels at odds with the rest of the themes in the game
obsidian osprey
tbh i can relate to where hes coming from
hardy rivet
since theres a lot about false worship
wide lion
Graha is a stalker.
pearl rock
Yeah, and then it just kinda gets dropped?
spare axle
he just really admires you because you are heroic, you do the things he, in his eyes, can't do
and he wants to be like you
jolly sierra
god i love graha
pearl rock
Yes, to the point of being creepy
obsidian osprey
EXACTLY
Thats why i like Graha
he is sorta relatable....in my opinion
I know how that feels : P
hardy rivet
being obsessed like that is not healthy
spare axle
i don't him him creepy, not a single bit, idk
hardy rivet
and he dies for it lol
jolly sierra
i also want to be like my character u feel
noble jetty
graha has all the admiration of a puppy, but as a catboy
jolly sierra
graha is 10/10 relatable
foggy coyote
I never got the impression that he has an unhealthy/toxic obsession with the WoL or anything like that. He admires you, looks up to you, and just... wants to be your friend. He's not really much different from the other Scions (even less frequently seen chars like Arenvald).
pearl rock
not to mention the amount of woobyfication the fandom does to him
foggy coyote
It might be his personality that's rubbing people wrong.
coarse pond
Y'shtola + Random Hrothgar in the forest confirmed 
obsidian osprey
but i guess u just gotta work hard to get to that kind of status
noble jetty
the WoL is his idol who is also living his childhood dream
foggy coyote
How he expresses it is very loving and adoring.
And I think people misconstrue that as something it's not.
noble jetty
like the #1 adventurer
pearl rock
but he also just.. Directly lies to our face
obsidian osprey
that hits me in the feels so much
pearl rock
for 'our own good'
obsidian osprey
i can relate...
obsidian osprey
^^
noble jetty
that's some high standards
obsidian osprey
Ilberd
noble jetty
you're missing out
pearl rock
bruh my standards are don't lie to me
craggy gale
technically he didn't lie
obsidian osprey
So its probs just personal preference and experience.
mighty light
pearl rock
if you have to argue that he didn't 'technically' lie then you're pretty much lost bro
wide lion
Bro, the thing with that exarch boy is...
foggy coyote
Every single major Scion has done something either dumb as hell or untrustworthy as fuck at some point. (That or is a sass master who could really stand to shut the fuck up at times.) At this point, it might as well be a rite of passage, lmao.
pearl rock
I just feel like 5.3 relied too much on shock value
wide lion
he reminds me of an insane ex
pearl rock
like OOOO elidibus was a child OOOOO killing arr characters