Also about that, seeing as technically Hydaelyn is "our star". "The Final chapter of this star" can literally translate to "HYDAELYN AND ZODIARK ARE GONNA DIE"
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
drowsy belfry
unique verge
Its smart writing with an eye to the future
bold condor
Like, the Source is not just already a fantasy world
rare sinew
WE GONNA KILL THAT SUMMABITCH
bold condor
It technically is the one with the most magic.
wintry onyx
Can I just say that the 5.3 MSQ had me bawling like a big baby XD like legit crying XD
bold condor
Logically speaking, it should probably be home to the most stunning vistas.
unique verge
I mean, realistically, if Zodiark were to be killed.
bold condor
And I don't see why SE wouldn't deliver on that in 6.0.
unique verge
Hydaelyn would have no purpose
bold condor
Probably not, she might let herself be destroyed if we do it.
Quick note, you'll notice the dragons tend to be grouped by where they get named.
unique verge
on a purely primal-mechanics basis she might just disappear
without even needing to be killed
bold condor
All of the great wyrms at home in Eorzea have Norse names.
drowsy belfry
I'm still saying that Hydaelyn will give up her remaining power to empower us to kill Zenodiark
When Zenos and Zodiark die
She'll just let go
frozen spade
all this motion capture, espically at the end of the 5.3 makes it feel like a modern game imo
bold condor
Probably from Roegadyn or something.
drowsy belfry
No longer needing to be
unique verge
Eh, same concept
bold condor
Midgardsormr, Hraesvelgr, Nidhogg, Ratatoskr.
unique verge
Point is she has a singular purpose, and absent that purpose, i dont know that she'd be able to sustain her own existence anywy.
random anvil
is there like a lore faq?
bold condor
They don't typically require a purpose to sustain their existence, they're just driven by their purpose.
nocturne void
Primals don't just end themselves tho
wintry onyx
Wait but Hold on a second @drowsy belfry What happens to us and the echo and the Blessing of Light? Wouldn't we basically lose that with the defeat of Hydaelyn?
bold condor
Not usually.
Why would you lose the Echo?
Hydaelyn didn't give you the Echo.
The Blessing of Light, sure, but you'd hardly notice losing that.
drowsy belfry
With the Ascians gone, we don't really need the Blessing of Light anymore
wintry onyx
Uh Primals?
drowsy belfry
Echo stops tempering
bold condor
The Echo is what protects us from primal influence.
unique verge
Primals are beaten via Echo, not Blessing
edgy walrus
I wonder how op Midgard was at full power. His power was already chopped due to his travel through space, then again chopped in his fight with the garleans, and in his weakest state he's still able to disable our blessing of light in the HW expansion
bold condor
Have you done Omega?
edgy walrus
Yup
unique verge
Well, that should pretty heavily imply just how powerful he was then.
pine epoch
The Echo if you remember is a fragmented remnants of the power mankind had when they were ancients
edgy walrus
I barely remember any of it tho
unique verge
If anything our Echo is getting stronger over time
edgy walrus
lol
unique verge
Absorbing Ardbert is akin to a rejoining, except instead of a shard to the source, its a sundered soul re-assembling.
bold condor
Yep. And same idea with what just happened with G'raha which is
Terrifying
I'm not even sure if that's how that worked, actually
unique verge
I fully anticipate a future antagonist
bold condor
He seems to get tired and need to eat
unique verge
that's an evil sunder of the WoL soul.
bold condor
Oh wait
unique verge
who is hellbent on absorbing US
unique verge
I mean, he did
bold condor
So he's still "just" 8/14 Rejoined.
wintry onyx
You Know I really wanna collect the Rest of my Character's Sundered Souls and merge them together so I can find out which Amaroutian I am
bold condor
Did he get the soul, too?
unique verge
Post MSQ chat with G'raha confirms this
tulip scaffold
I just want to see if there is a way to visit the Exarch's stone body again xD
bold condor
Ah.
slender merlin
The WoL's soul was cracked from containing the lightwardens so maybe that puts us at like 1.9 souls worth of power
drowsy belfry
Well you're the 14th! Azem!
unique verge
You should go do it if you havent
bold condor
WoL would be 9/14 Rejoined.
edgy walrus
I wonder what the ancients actually looked like
bold condor
Humans.
drowsy belfry
tall humans
drowsy belfry
Tho that's not confirmed
vital brook
OK so uhh...
wintry onyx
I don't actually know if Azem is actually who We really are
vital brook
Vieras live longer, much longer than humans
vital brook
But Exarch was talking about Lyna's tenth birthday
radiant badger
(Hint: Garlean cards.)
vital brook
just how old is she?
faint dagger
how old's the fckin exarch
drowsy belfry
Hytho mentions in 5.0 that your sundered being fit with what you were as an Ancient.
bold condor
You know not every Viera/Viis is over 100.
scenic sun
Exarc is literally an 80 or more year old in the body of a 20 year old now
drowsy belfry
Azem is called the traveler
unique verge
Exarch should be around 250-300
wintry onyx
Too fucking old @faint dagger
unique verge
but he wasnt awake for alot of it
bold condor
Within his practical experience, he's about 100.
yeah but Viis stop aging after some age
unique verge
~130 of it of being awake, more or less
drowsy belfry
He also mentions and in the side story that the 14th was particularly close with Emet
So
when Emet made a brand new Azem crystal
Herein I commit the chronicle of the traveler. Shepherd to the stars in the dark.
Though the world be sundered and our souls set adrift, where you walk, my dearest friend, fate shall surely follow.
For yours is the Fourteenth seat-the seat of Azem.
And this nice little speech
We are the 14th
scenic sun
Correction
wintry onyx
Wait what Side Story?
scenic sun
He's now in the body of a 24 year old
drowsy belfry
last year's Rising side story
Also, the 14th's Gender changes depending on yours
glad maple
So in 5.4 eden raid comes to conclusion then the next one will set the stage for next expansion 5.5?
unique verge
Well that's about all the confirmation you need then
edgy walrus
5.4 will
glad maple
There has to be a 5.5 cause part 3 of Nier raid
drowsy belfry
My rough estimate is 5.5 part 2 will come out in April
shrewd ledge
Question about Puppets' Bunker loot lockout: what are the three pieces of loot available each week? I know one is the coin, but I have 2/3 despite not getting any loot the entire run
And I know one is gear, obvi
nocturne void
minion?
shrewd ledge
I didn't get the minion or any of the orchestrion rolls
unique verge
2/3 should be the cluster and coin
shrewd ledge
Ah, alright
left rivet
guess 5.4 is about the war and 5.5 is about invading garlemald probably.
pine epoch
5.5 will probably end like 3.5
us taking a stronghold
thats like strategically important
crimson pollen
I'm still curious as to why Yoshida said to look towards Ishgard for 6.0
pine epoch
so 6.0 we can stage invasion into ilsibard
unreal wadi
@left rivet Chronicles might likely expand that
pine epoch
6.0 is probably when housing ward becomes available
5.5 probably yay we did it. and Aymeric will be like youd one enough for us
we shall labor to build a secondary firmament
for you and your adventurer friends
nocturne void
And then we have a housing bubble some more
nocturne void
I'm apparently a member of the convocation, but I live in a cardboard box in the mist
scenic sun
That's a mood
wintry onyx
I'll say this now, They better let us visit the non Housing ward version of the Firmament along side it's Housing Ward counterpart
still sparrow
When can we expect patches 5.3.1 and 5.3.5? What has been the general logic in terms of release for these kinds of patches
bold condor
Could just put the Restoration NPCs in the Housing Wards.
nocturne void
6 weeks
edgy walrus
i haven't stepped foot in ishgard in a few months
nocturne void
For minor patches
still sparrow
Ok I was just wondering
bold condor
I just noticed something.
wintry onyx
Yeah but what about the NPCs that've already moved into the Firmament @bold condor
bold condor
They'll probably still be there iunno
crimson pollen
ppl saying the game is kind of a letdown
bold condor
I think the Ascians' original plan is dead.
Fandaniel does not strike me as the type of person who wants to bring ANYONE back to life.
nocturne void
I mean, urianger is still in the waking sands
bold condor
And if this is the direction that the now-leaderless death cult Emet and his ilk created is going.
pine epoch
imagine 6.0 we get a ascian turncoat that wishes to make amends for the unsunderds actions like say pashtarot joins us
pine epoch
and helps us face against fandaniel
scenic sun
...
bold condor
Different guy.
gaunt star
That trial was cool as hell
scenic sun
Damn that's clever Yoshi-P
wintry onyx
I mean Fandaniel is basically free to do what ever the fuck he wants now that he doesn't answer to the unsundered
scenic sun
nvm
gaunt star
I’m just gonna drop in and say that
wary perch
Now we just have kill the other remaining ascian which I think will be the plot for 6.0
crimson pollen
better not be that one from Ivalice who keeps asking for rare shit
bold condor
I wonder if there are any true believers left in the Convocation.
bold condor
Anyone who really did want what Emet-Selch wanted.
wary perch
Doubt it
upbeat estuary
anyone know how many MSQ were changed from realm reborn? is there a list of altered quests somewhere?
wintry onyx
Uh @bold condor You are aware that the Wandering Minstrel and the Minstreling Wanderer are basically one and same just with different outfit and name
scenic sun
...
gaunt star
And Sherri and Terri
bold condor
Like how you and Ardbert are different people.
timid solstice
Well that didn't end well XD
timid solstice
We kept dying right after the first meteor
gaunt star
Or Charlie Murphy and Charlie Murphy
bold condor
You mean Murphy Charles.
gaunt star
Ah yes
crimson pollen
Yeah, at same time, I think it's about right we move on, tho. Another Ascian coming up about a particular plan that will result in rejoining is getting too recycled - much like beast tribes summoning all kinds of primals started to become a spam and the team noticed it for ShB
gaunt star
I miss him so much
wary perch
TBf, the minstrel can be the same person since he might be Yoshi incarnate lol
wary perch
good point
nocturne void
He caused the sound
bold condor
Oh my god
wary perch
Nah he is the original first seat of the convocation
timid solstice
I should wait few days until ppl come up with strats
bold condor
You know that is actually
nocturne void
the sound was "FUCKING SHIT SERVERS, BURN THEM DOWN"
timid solstice
and then try the EX later
vital brook
well i was NOT expecting this
wary perch
Azem is Yoshi alias when he joined as first seat lol
bold condor
lmao
nocturne void
"Hello handsome"
There is a them of shadowbringers just having unconscionably hot bosses.
molten vine
We destroyed the ascians finally....
Or did we DUN DUN DUN
wintry onyx
Hmmm You know, With us being Azem, This is drastically gonna change sooooo many FFXIV Shadowbringers Fanfics namely ones with Emet-Selch
toxic swift
Ouch. My heart hurts.
edgy walrus
especially with Azem being a female ascian
toxic swift
I want my tank back lol
scenic sun
@vital brook That was a kickass moment
edgy walrus
or "ancient"
pine epoch
Azem is male or female depending on you
wintry onyx
Oooh Imagine a Fan fic of Your Character and Emet-Selch talking about how you finally know about your true self and it starts getting emotional for him
polar star
Ok first thing to say about Shiva unreal...
pine epoch
every sunset during the days of amaurot, Emet Selch, Hythlodeus, and Azem go up to the top of the capitol and eat icecream
polar star
I picked the wrong role
modern cape
lol
wary perch
People assume azem as dawn father is because it's a male dominated society in the far east
modern cape
@pine epoch thanks, now i can't unheard KH music while i imagine it
severe brook
I wouldn't argue if that got us a Soken cover of Vector to the Heavens out of it
wintry onyx
Btw the Trial Music is LIT AS FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
craggy cedar
ISN'T IT
wary perch
Nier fight is fun but story still weak and no much explanation given yet of their origin
Wasn't expecting 2p just die offscreen like that
Though we do fight a giant of her
scenic sun
The nier raids' exposition is pretty much for those who played Automata
pine epoch
If you paid attention to the constellations of the Convocation Crystals. Each constellation is a fragment of the Zodiac constellations while others are the full constellation. However Azem Crystal is the Alchemy mark for the Sun.
scenic sun
So it's added context that 14 doesn't provides
modern cape
now i want our custom made ascian magic mask
wintry onyx
Honestly I love that it's plays during the cutscene in the trial when you use Azem's Crystal and the Amaroutian Version of Emet-Selch Helps you
drowsy gazelle
Okay,
Can someone explain to me WTF the first Warrior of Light is doing in the FIrst?
wary perch
@scenic sun I know but in xiv universe it's weak because of this missing information from original game
craggy cedar
I sobbed so hard my team needed to wait for me when emet helps
severe brook
well not allag
severe brook
the First doesn't have an Allag
scenic sun
Though idk if the final boss of Puppet's Bunker is a sin eater or an actual drakengard reference that wasn't a glitch
polar star
OH MY GOD SHIVA DOES SO MUCH FUCKEN DAMAGE
wary perch
And I feel the last quest end suddenly
unreal wadi
all the shards
drowsy gazelle
I'm aware he's the original.
That's what I'm confused about.
wintry onyx
Basically The First Warrior of Light in the First is the OG WoL (Namely cause he's the Original WoL from the First Final Fantasy game)
severe brook
on the First, a nameless soldier took up the name Warrior of Light
pine epoch
Cid of Lufaine as the Dissidia Retcon calls him
severe brook
creating a tradition that lasted until the present
scenic sun
But after the final quest "Crimes and Punishment" i'm pretty much guessing it's more about the themes of Nier as a whole rather than the exposition
severe brook
of heroes taking the title Warrior of Light
unreal wadi
even that Ronkan mage was known as the warrior of light
severe brook
it was seen as a title for heroes until the Flood, when it instead became a cruel epithet because of what happened
drowsy gazelle
Right, but a 1:1 incarnation of the first WoL?
scenic sun
^^^ it's a interpretation
Dare i say
A Symbol of WoL
Since all of the other adventurers see WoL as a god of justice basically
drowsy gazelle
I'm starting to think Square doesn't just do references.
slender merlin
They like to reuse a lot of themes, names and places
wintry onyx
Oooh You know what, now that I know which Amaroutian Being I am, I'm gonna base my glam for the Next two 5.X patch and the next Expansion around Azem
severe brook
well XIV specifically is meant to have a lot of homages to the entire series
vital brook
severe brook
other Final Fantasy games aren't as self-referential as this
unreal wadi
Emet Selch o7
wary perch
This is a FF theme park
wintry onyx
@vital brook Daddy Emet ;-;
wary perch
There are shit load of self reference
pine epoch
XIV is simultaneously a Love Letter, Thank you, and theme park to the FF series. making its own original story while paying its respects what has come before and after
nocturne void
Slithersand is only from the beast tribe quest, correct?
amber loom
Why did Elidibus see us as one of the ascians form amaurot?
timid solstice
So since the trial is called the seat of sacrifice
edgy walrus
we're originally dubbed the Warrior of Light
then to find out we're the 14th, who's constellation represents the sun
timid solstice
can we call it Seat of SEX
nocturne void
Seat of hot WoL action
polar star
My pug group in Unreal is actually good poggers
wintry onyx
Because we are the 14th member of the Convication @amber loom
slender merlin
Azem being related to the sun is kind of funny as a suncat WoL, those moonies were wrong all along
amber loom
What is our title as the 14th.
glad maple
Just finished the 5.3 story it’s was guuud!
wary perch
Are Shiva DMG is always punishing during release
glad maple
Next expan is deff in the empire
scenic sun
The one thing i'll miss is Rouge Thancred and White Mage Yshtola
wary perch
We being saying that since last expansion
severe brook
i mean, i said the next expansion would be in the empire back in stormblood
so i guess we'll see
wary perch
glad maple
Yeah
scenic sun
We're pretty much getting what people clamored
deep vector
Anyone else noticed that sholtas real body was barefooted but everyone elses wasn't? 
glad maple
Back in storm blood im sure people would have thought empire too
scenic sun
a FFVII Themed Expac along with FFVI
quasi zodiac
pine epoch
I hope our Tataru outfit in 5.56 is a Crossrole glamable Adventurer's Convocation set
severe brook
i was thinking that 5.0 would be in ilsabard all the way until prelude in violet actually released
glad maple
Ugh but zeno the main bad guy again
pliant urchin
Btw Emet-Selch intervention in the trial was 10/10
scenic sun
Emet we see you
pliant urchin
@glad maple let's see if SE actually manage to make him interesting
glad maple
loved it
amber loom
think someone commented "extreme yandere" for Zenos
slender merlin
Yet you're in #retired-patch-6-3-discussion 
molten vine
Zenos Is zamasu confirmed lol
unique verge
I personally dont think Zenos is going to be the "main bad guy"
glad maple
@pliant urchin I hope so he was so wack in storm.
unique verge
I think he'll be dead by the end of the expansion and be the catalyst for whatever happens in 6.0
slender merlin
I hope he isn't, Zenos can't carry an expac as a villain
glad maple
You don’t think so?
severe brook
I think that, especially if Ilsabard is next, he'll be the main villain/final boss but he won't be the only antagonist
pine epoch
The 14th convocation member, Azem, The Traveler. Shepherd of Stars. Adequately our role as the 14th was to be that. a Traveler a adventurer traveling from city to city learning culture and culture and helping their fellow man. Which is probably why the 14th could not join either team zodiark or team venat
severe brook
There'll be other villains
glad maple
My guess he will be the one to bring zodiark
unreal fox
i wanna go to the 7th
severe brook
the 7th is gone
red sundial
wow, how dare Yshtola flirt with another man right in front of us
unreal fox
no ur gone
severe brook
bahamut's devastation consumed it
red sundial
what a HOE
severe brook
oh no
glad maple
Maybe he will become his new heart
severe brook
it feels like that's a bit too easy
pliant urchin
@red sundial silence, Runar deserves her
severe brook
zenos can probably possess almost any primal, but zodiark could arguably gain a heart from anyone with enough aether
amber loom
Shadowbringers>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shadowlands
slender merlin
She basically called Runar a child though
amber loom
mic drop
red sundial
she does
severe brook
so i think he might go for hydaelyn while someone else might try to become zodiark's new heart
red sundial
and like hell he does. All the babes belong to us
unique verge
@amber loom that's not really a high bar to set at this point.
faint kiln
@slender merlin Y'shtola has the tendency to childzone every man who propose to her
Remember Magnai..
amber loom
yeah
pliant urchin
@slender merlin that's Matoya influence
unreal wadi
little sun
slender merlin
Little sun. 😂
eager horizon
yshtola is mommy not gf material
glad maple
The zodiark arc ends this expansion or the next one?
severe brook
unsundered ancients were actually the only people she'd even consider, and now they're all dead
next one i think
glad maple
I remember they said they was gonna end it soon
pliant urchin
Under Matoya tutelage, Y'shtola became quite hard to flirt with xD
glad maple
Good I’m ready for something fresh
severe brook
but the original ascian arc is basically over now
amber loom
We've taken out alot of the Ascians...
unreal fox
how do you know the 7th is gone
glad maple
Maybe in omegas world
severe brook
i think the Sound is the next overarcing thing
drowsy belfry
RIGHT FANCRACK THEORY
red sundial
a lot? We've taken out all of them, no?
severe brook
and a good deal of the reconstituted sundered ones
pliant urchin
@red sundial we took out all the unsundered Ascians
slender merlin
Y'shtola's basically one step away from living in a cave if it wasn't for the scions
drowsy belfry
We as Azem were out in the field often, and being close with Emet-Selch.
The Shoebill? It's a familiar Emet-Selch sent on our Adventures with us
pliant urchin
The one in Asahi body is from another group
amber loom
Asahi is back?
red sundial
how strong could the sundered ones be? They gotta be punk ass bitches compared to the ones we took down
unique verge
Asahi isnt back, somethings just riding his meatsuit.
amber loom
Ah yes. Ascians do have this tendency to just possess bodies
unreal fox
hes dead
unreal wadi
He needs to be dead.
pliant urchin
@amber loom possessed by an ascian
unreal fox
his body is being used as a meat bag
unreal wadi
@unreal fox
scenic sun
Time to kill Asahi again
unreal wadi
Don't care, his body exists.
unreal fox
it said as much that he found its corpse
glad maple
Not gonna lie those good byes made me teary eye🥺 whats poor ryne gonna do now she all alone
unreal wadi
unreal fox
hes deader than dead
pine epoch
you know, FFXIV entire story can be summarized as Skinwalkers are at it again
unreal fox
Not gonna lie those good byes made me teary eye🥺 whats poor ryne gonna do now she all alone
@glad maple gaia wink wink
amber loom
Ryne has gaia so im expectign some yuri
pastel hill
She's going to have tea and biscuts with gaia
red sundial
hang out with her goth friend and find a nice boy? who knows
unreal fox
why assume boy?
glad maple
She’s deff her girl
unreal fox
she could like anything or even nothing lol
pliant urchin
This ascian in Asahi body looks like a plain maniac, all the better to kill
drowsy belfry
If this conversation continues the mods will bust in here
let's not talk about the sexuality of the underage girl
thank you
amber loom
yeah....
nocturne void
Fallen Cleave
unreal wadi
red sundial
calm ya asses down
unreal wadi
Asahi needs to be dead either way
gaunt star
amber loom
gaunt star
Freeks
amber loom
Cleave might show up
unreal fox
let's not talk about the sexuality of the underage girl
@drowsy belfry why are you making it about sex? like what the hell
unreal wadi
before you say that he's actually dead, and that his body is possessed
His body still exists
rain badger
wtf
unreal wadi
So it counts, for me.
rain badger
when
pastel hill
So we blow up his body
unreal wadi
Yes
glad maple
Lol
amber loom
yeah I think we left it in the castrum after tsukuyomi.
unreal fox
asahi is dead
gaunt star
Girls just wanna have fun
unique verge
The lessons learned in ShB is
rain badger
is g'rahatia
unique verge
IDIOTS
rain badger
like that one creepy girl
glad maple
What is that creepy thing
amber loom
Who is that fucking bird
glad maple
Where you get it?
quasi zodiac
Its
glad maple
That shit look mad creepy
quasi zodiac
in the pendants
slender merlin
quasi zodiac
if you beat the msq
glad maple
Lmaoo
north fulcrum
24 man boss is literally just https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAN00Z-sYTI
glad maple
Omg
quasi zodiac
Thats not the minion
pliant urchin
Love the shoebill
amber loom
@north fulcrum lol
pliant urchin
I want it as a minion
glad maple
That thing looks mean
faint kiln
Why do you have to post that bird picture.. My room is dark and I'm laying down
pliant urchin
Men, IRL shoebill have menacing auras
faint kiln
That gave me a heart attack
quasi zodiac
slender merlin
What, this picture? https://i.redd.it/02wutnt926e31.png
pine epoch
So tataru should take our Convocation Crystal, wrap around a piece of string around it and make a necklace out of it. then make a Convocation Adventurer attire. so we can walk around showing off how cool we are
faint kiln
OBDKFNFKF
pliant urchin
Ahagah
faint kiln
I CANT
glad maple
Welp time to go start that 34 man nier raid
nocturne void
34!
pliant urchin
34
faint kiln
Don't hug me I'm scared vibes
pliant urchin
New format
drowsy belfry
then make a Convocation Adventurer attire. so we can walk around showing off how cool we are
edgy walrus
wear it around our neck and transform into the 14th like Yugi transforms into the Pharaoh lol
thin crypt
i just noticed aint this elidibus
drowsy belfry
No
faint kiln
Oh..
drowsy belfry
It's Amaro art
faint kiln
There's some resemblance
nocturne void
Amano
pliant urchin
I wish i could eternal bond with Raha Tia
faint kiln
I second that @pliant urchin
pine epoch
slender merlin
WoL'raha Nunh
thin crypt
same person just no hat
pine epoch
crimson pollen
The Shoebill is in your room by the end.... the heck.....
glad maple
I did not like the fact that his skin color was like a corps. Man was blue
pliant urchin
Good night
pine epoch
slender merlin
Shoebill's always watching
pine epoch
I was half tempted whether or not to put on the WoL glam
from labrynth
before heading into the fight
drowsy belfry
Omega-M resembles Amano art more
crimson pollen
Yeah, that shoebill may be corny, but will end up being someone important
slender merlin
If it follows us back to the Source
nocturne void
the picture is also omega
pine epoch
I just realized, couldn't we use our ultimate teleport magick from our convocation crystal to teleport ryne to the source so she could attune to a aetheryte and serve as a taxi to let her go back and forth
same with the scions
crimson pollen
I keep thinking the shoebill might be Venat in disguise, as he said would take a form of his own choice
pine epoch
Uh no
Technically anyone could. But to open a portal between the rift is nearly impossible
slender merlin
It's obviously Shoediark
thin crypt
am i the only one that wants the ascians to win
faint kiln
Shoediark lmaooo
thin crypt
pine epoch
it took Graha a lot of trial and error to even figure it out
Then we just took a magic fucking stone and summoned 7 friends out of nowhere
nocturne void
Unless there's another crystal tower lying around
slender merlin
We could always stuff the scions back in their crystals if we need to go back to the First
crimson pollen
Yeah, something gonna happen after 5.4 that will make Ryne piss off to the Source - her role as Oracle is pretty important
faint kiln
That's very convenient.. No risks at all 👍
slender merlin
I'm honestly quite surprised Thancred didn't want to find a way to stay
crimson pollen
Or perhaps she might get kidnapped by an external agent, someone from anotehr shard, smething ike that, and we might have to go after her
craggy cedar
I like that WoL is grey/whiteskinned, in true Yoshitaka Amano style
pine epoch
I actually think Ryne is staying on the first
slender merlin
Yeah but still if we were going to lose any of them I was sure it'd be him
unreal fox
that seems like itd be pointless to just leave behind such an important character after sbr is over
faint kiln
She got some good ol' character development
pine epoch
Im just pointing out, Azem Teleport Spell as far as we know has no limit to its power
unreal fox
but probably requires preparation to use
unreal wadi
feel like something big will happen in Eden
crimson pollen
Moggle Mog last Eden, watch it happening
slender merlin
Depends if they want to reference raid storylines in the MSQ
unreal wadi
nocturne void
Nidhogg Eden when
pine epoch
Ryne in my opinion is going to serve as a inspiration to the new generation of heroes of the first. where we and the scions can't give them tips and tricks Ryne has watched us fight and studied under urianger and thancred
red sundial
man, I wish they had the tech to be able to have characters properly embrace each other in cutscenes
crimson pollen
My boi Taynor has some crazy potential, btw. He is strong af. Unfortunately he had to remain self contained in role quests
unreal wadi
Taynor does
would have been nice to see him in the heroes gauntlet
but cedric stopped him lol
but it was really cool seeing all the guys we fought with
Granson, Gunitt & Lue-Reeq as well
also really cool to see Aenc
crimson pollen
ah, one thing more or less related that really caught attention of mine in SHB
was that in job quests, particulary the BLM one, by the end Ul'Dah reopens studies in Black Magic
unreal fox
taynor is a random loser lol
cosmic crown
grahtia is my baby
crimson pollen
I thought that was pretty big, lol
Lalai manages to convince the Thaumaturges into allowing Black Magic to be researched again
ofc this all needs to stay self contained into these set of quests
but its still a big thing in context, given it was forbidden
crimson pollen
FIrst days of Copied Factory were also just a carnival parade reveillon everybody just running everywhere thing
nocturne void
i.e. screwing up mechanics hurts less
lavish sluice
I really hope the line "final chapter" in the closing dialog refers to the Ascian/Empire stuff
nocturne void
It does
unreal fox
what else would it mean
lavish sluice
Everything
nocturne void
FF14 is not ending next expansion
lavish sluice
timid solstice
why is neo-ish so expensive now
nocturne void
Because
timid solstice
It doubled the price
lavish sluice
I think the game is doing well moneywise even without the Mogstation stuff
nocturne void
Trading neoish in gets you augmented neoish
crimson pollen
I can see Yoshi leaving to try some new projects or stuff he wanted to do, tho - handing the realm to someone else
timid solstice
oh
lavish sluice
SHB had the highest preorders to date
nocturne void
No
slender merlin
You need the undersea rain stuff too which costs phantasmagoria
timid solstice
oh
lavish sluice
I hope 7.0 is New World or South continent
unreal wadi
well good
timid solstice
It's still kinda free then
unreal wadi
because ive maxed out phantasmagoria a long time ago
nocturne void
490
unreal wadi
yep
grand parcel
I finished the trial
nocturne void
How was it
grand parcel
I...have no words, that was straight-up incredible
unreal wadi
It is
nocturne void
I like the music better than hades
grand parcel
I think final steps of fate just got outdone
unreal wadi
so its free lol
nocturne void
Yes
neat edge
was thinking how silly it would be if the twins switched bodies
unreal wadi
@timid solstice
nocturne void
Sorry, wanted to check
unreal wadi
It's free
slender merlin
You'll run out of phanta tomes pretty fast if you have more than a couple of jobs
sacred dew
@neat edge i thought of the same thing wondering how they knew who was who.... probably a feeling thing...
Also imagining if all of them swirched oops...
nocturne void
500 phanta per piece
nocturne void
Main body at least
shell merlin
I forget who told me how emet likes theater and it is confirmed in Return to Ivalice Quest that solus liked it
ik its old quest but
still wowerz
neat edge
i mean, i'm like how do you know which one is whose
shell merlin
@vital brook be sad
vital brook
😩
nocturne void
Hats 300, pants are 500, etc
timid solstice
facet tool price went up too D:
well at least I can make those myself
Just too lazy to get the mats for it
shell merlin
facet went up?
glacial turret
Hi I’m Daisy
timid solstice
I guess everyone is rushing to jump on high tier crafting now
robust crescent
MAN
shell merlin
im waiting on new ishgard stuff to overprice and sell new items lol
maiden bison
The dynamic between Zenos and Fandaniel is actually pretty great
shell merlin
yes
grand parcel
so uh, question: how did emet selch come back
grand parcel
?
unique verge
That wasnt Emet,it was a creation he set up as a failsafe....basically.
unique verge
The way the story reads, it sounds like it was a "in case i fail, i dont want Elidibus to keep fighting on" thing.
shell merlin
^
unique verge
So he set up a creation clone of himself just like the others in Tempest
shell merlin
also its confirmed we were part of the 14 then now?
unique verge
Pretty much
shell merlin
ngl as cool as it is
unique verge
that we were the 14th
shell merlin
thats so fucking far fetched like ik it doesnt need explained
but how does that work
unique verge
Not really? We're sundered.
unique verge
Although we're....gradually getting unsundered
shell merlin
I still dont understand sundered and unsundered I never heard that in MSQ
thats new info to me
thin crypt
alisaie MAD SHE flat
shell merlin
lmfao
unreal wadi
not surprised, considering her reaction to Thancred, Y'shotla & Urianger
bold condor
Where they introduced the fact that the world was sundered into fourteen.
bold condor
Maybe.
unreal wadi
Reminder this exists
unreal wadi
slender merlin
Azem, the 14th was a wanderer and adventurer so I guess the shards of their soul are instilled with a similar kind of need
shell merlin
@bold condor i just looked the word up
unique verge
Lahabrea, Elidibus, Emet-Selch (i think iggy-however-you-spell-it and nabriales too) were unsundered Ascians. As in, when Hydaelyn dropkicked the Source, their souls didnt get split the fuck up.
We, the 14th, Azem, were sundered.
slender merlin
Like all the other ascians, except those 3
bold condor
There were only three unsundered Ascians.
We don't know what's up with Zenos for sure.
vital brook
Scions be like: "Let's chill out and relax now that everything is over, we can go back anytime"
Krile meanwhile: "My aether reserves are getting exhausted and they are dying. HALP"
timid solstice
Lahabread got properly breaded and toasted by Thordie
bold condor
But he's basically an Ascian now.
shell merlin
yeah true @bold condor now that i realize
since he does cool
teleports behind you
timid solstice
Although Krile that time was spent putting wards up in CT
slender merlin
It's all ascians I guess, just shards of them
shell merlin
and we both know zenos wants to fuck zodiark up?
zenos is confusing
ik he wants to fight wol again
glad maple
Omgggg 2B showed up!!
shell merlin
but that dude is top tier confusing
unique verge
With the unsundered gone, the rejoinings/calamities are basically over for good unless Zodiark gets his claws into a new "heart" to walk around and do shit.
unique verge
The sundered Ascians dont seem to give a fuck
shell merlin
ye
slender merlin
Technically Zenos could still cause enough chaos to bring about another calamity though?
glad maple
I just screamed like a little girl when I saw 2B🤩
red sundial
final chapter? Damn
red sundial
next xpac last one?
unique verge
you need BOTH the source and the shard to be in similar states of fucked
glad maple
Next expansion last one? No more ff14 after🥺
shell merlin
no
slender merlin
Yeah, needs the shard to be at the tipping point too but I guess some of them could be even without ascian meddling
unique verge
No, obviously, it will not be the last one.
shell merlin
they said after this arc they will still do more
unique verge
You think SE is gonna shut down their money printer? You're crazy.
wary perch
7.0 we fight aliens
pulsar swift
The end of the "Hydaelyn/Zodiark story arc"
wary perch
Like those in nier
shell merlin
we still got allagan tech to explore
slender merlin
7.0 might be in the new world
red sundial
how strong can Daniel even be though?
glad maple
or we go into ff7 world
red sundial
sundered and shit, he a punk
unique verge
Who cares? Elidibus was weak as fuck until he powered up on bunch of summoned hero souls.
glad maple
Jenova will be the zodiark of next arc
unique verge
Ascians have never been about "how strong" they are
Its about what they can achieve through manipulation
maiden bison
Whether or not someone is unsundered never seemed to matter in terms of power
glad maple
I love emet. He was such a good character
maiden bison
Outside of Emet
unique verge
Eh, that doesnt seem true.
slender merlin
Their magic was creation based, so I guess their strength was the limits of their imagination and aetheric reserves
timid solstice
I think when we want to see someone the most
unique verge
The only reason that Nabriales seemed hard is specifically because of the circumstances of that fight
timid solstice
is the best time when that someone makes an exit
thorny stirrup
So uhhhh... Am I the only one who got a little choked up on this one?
onyx flicker
midnight fossil
no defenitly not.
unique verge
I didnt. But i dont get that type of reaction so.
glad maple
@thorny stirrup what you mean?
unique verge
I did get a very "respect bro" feel towards Emet and Exarch though.
I'm glad that the "Exarch trump card" wasnt some contrived bullshit
onyx flicker
i got real teary at the ardbert/seto cutscene
thorny stirrup
I mean normally I don't either but damn.. that shit was sad.
maiden bison
Then again, everyone except Emet body hopped a lot so they were probably nerfed
slender merlin
Agreed on the Exarch's final plan, it makes sense lore-wise
shell merlin
@unique verge wasnt plot armor either
gaunt star
emmy such a bro
unique verge
it also played perfectly into the arrogance of Elidibus' character
glad maple
We got the extarch as a scion so I’m happy
shell merlin
i love the character change of him
onyx flicker
yeah i love his new look and the fact hes a trust
thorny stirrup
Oh yeah most definitely glad about that.
shell merlin
he acts like a kid now
slender merlin
Yeah, he doesn't realise he's basically standing in a trap the whole time
glad maple
I just wish ryne could when came with us😭😭
maiden bison
Elidibus gives off “haha I’m a genius... oh no!” vibes in retrospect
glad maple
Why we leave her behind😭
gaunt star
because eden not done yet
glad maple
🥺
onyx flicker
yeah let her be besties in her giant semi sentient airship with her goth best friend
unique verge
Elidibus just was never really impressive as a character to me, tbh
pine epoch
I wanna point out watching the Fandaniel cutscene god damn gave me Flashbacks to Dante and Agnus Scene in DMC4
thorny stirrup
That almost got me for some reason not going to lie. Especially when Thancred gave that speech, thought he was going to cry as well lol.
glad maple
Yeah she gonna restore the environment I guess
unique verge
But i guess it makes sense given that he was Zodiark's heart and basically ceased being Elidibus a long time ago
thorny stirrup
100%
glad maple
I wanted to cry there too @thorny stirrup
onyx flicker
yeah it was super noticiable
unique verge
tbh going into 5.3 i was convinced that Thancred was either gonna die or find a way to 'stay behind'. i didnt think he'd go home quite so easily.
gaunt star
pray for interdimensional travel so runar won't need his LDR
timid solstice
Same
shell merlin
everyone else
gaunt star
timid solstice
But then I remembered that Dankred is gonna die
shell merlin
also we actually hold something in our hand for once
timid solstice
If he stay separated for too long
shell merlin
slender merlin
Elidibus is basically a shadow after he was sacrificed to Zodiark, not much left at that point
glad maple
I thought thancred was gonna chose to stay too
noble jetty
i just had a thought. if elidibus was zodiark's heart, and he's gone now... and hydaelyn has been weakening for a long time and lost her "voice of the mother".... does this mean they're both just hollow sources of power now? zenos's threat to absorb them and do battle seems more likely..
onyx flicker
we respected emet though
nocturne void
Just a second
shell merlin
@glad maple thanny would die of he stayed doesnt make sense
however emet also was in paid content so he is by that logic stronger
prisma warren
I'm going to assume noone else noticed the crystallizing of Graha was actually slightly off model and it was very noticeable. His hand didn't even touch the staff either for that whole scene.
onyx flicker
Elidibus was just kind of bad guy vibes in the background
stiff lynx
Ya'll are forgetting elidibus is a little boy
thorny stirrup
I mean at the end of the day Zodiark or Hydaelyn can be summoned by being a conduit.
shell merlin
@prisma warren didnt see but im sure thats true lmao
thin crypt
we are the bad guys
glad maple
Oh yeah true
thin crypt
nocturne void
There we go
stiff lynx
which is why he saved ukuhalil or w/e his name was from the 13th
cause he could relate to him
gaunt star
thanny first to accept graha friend request
nocturne void
People keep asking what's after 6.0
thin crypt
elidibus did nothing wrong
nocturne void
MOON TROLLEY
thin crypt
prisma warren
We also flew a gundam
stiff lynx
He's a lost little boy
prisma warren
That was neat
glad maple
Yeah that was wierd that elidibus was a kid
stiff lynx
he lost all of his friends and family
glad maple
I was like wtf is this honey
slender merlin
Maybe that's how Ryne can get to the Source, they build an inter-dimensional trolley
rare sinew
TrolleyBringers
nocturne void
Trolleys can do anything
rare sinew
ShB theme but folk
slender merlin
Except run over an old man with plot armour
nocturne void
Trolley (Ex)
shell merlin
when he went to a lil kid
slender merlin
Then you just get roadhouse'ed off the rails
shell merlin
sad
ngl ascians arent THAT bad of people
they arent liek haha world domination
they just wanna bring shit back
to how it was
kinda boomer but eh
nocturne void
Ascians are the best kinds of villains
rare sinew
When he says its a beautiful day but no one is around to see it
unique verge
Well, i think what was most compelling about Emet
rare sinew
nocturne void
The ones with reasonable motives
unreal wadi
you can understand their pain
thorny stirrup
I think Emet really brought it home that Ascians are not bad
unique verge
is that Emet recognized at times that he was tempered by Zodiark, and it was like.....he really wanted to save his people, but he also semi-questioned himself at times.
pulsar swift
It's their methods that are the problem, not their underlying motivation
stiff lynx
and we won because he was thrown off by emet selch helping us during the fight(the hand wave, it was him)
shell merlin
emet is in top 3 favorite villans
border lands 2 did it the best still tho for me
glad maple
Also this new ascian bad guy is just using the corps of that guy I hate it’s not him right?
rare sinew
SHB BEST EXPAC
slender merlin
They're gray area villains, relatable because if you lost everything you loved you'd want to find a way to bring it back too
shell merlin
handsome jack and emet
2 of my favorite game villans
stiff lynx
so yeah we won the fight because of emet selch
heady shadow
Shoebill is in the Pendnts post msq
unique verge
I think one of the big things that makes Emet work also
rare sinew
Im moving to Pendants now
unique verge
is that the Ascians did not bring about the apocalypse of their world themselves
slender merlin
Helps that he's charismatic and snarky as hell too
deep creek
unique verge
If the Ascians had fucked up and triggered the end of their world themselves, they'd be alot less sympathetic.
shell merlin
@heady shadow what is that
heady shadow
Hildabrand was in the dungeon
thorny stirrup
You know when I think about it, when they reveled Fandaniel as that character, they immediately got me to hate him, since I hate that kid for what he did to Tsukuyomi
slender merlin
We're not really sure what caused it though are we?
gaunt star
I have just now
unique verge
Its just a meatsuit
gaunt star
cleared the trial
onyx flicker
We're not really sure what caused it though are we?
@slender merlin yeah it just started happening and they couldnt figure out how to stop it
thorny stirrup
He's got the worlds most punchable face though lmao
unique verge
Like, you hate Elidibus for riding around Ardbert because its disrespectful as fuck.
I dont really care if Fandaniel wants to take Asahi for a spin
shell merlin
they did that so you HATE fandan
emet was fun
elidibus was interesting
heady shadow
shell merlin
clearly fandan will not be redeemed
heady shadow
front he reddit post
rare sinew
Fandan seems power hungry
slender merlin
I'd really like them to expand on the Final Days, if they want a bigger villain than the Ascians they could always go in that direction
pulsar swift
Well, that's what they've told us anyway -- it's likely that we're eventually going to find out what the actual cause was
rare sinew
Like fkin nuts
slender merlin
Something not even they could stop that we go up against next
prisma warren
When Fandan was talking to Xenos... and Xenos just sat there with zero F's given.
pulsar swift
It'll probably be "the true big bad" of the next expansion, I suppose.
thorny stirrup
lol
rare sinew
Also, my dudes, is it possible to beat Alisae for the bat wings?
rare sinew
Fuck
rare sinew
Lost
shell merlin
ha
unique verge
The two south-most spawnpoints spawn 3
rare sinew
I went for the nearest ones
thorny stirrup
I imagine you need to go to the one far away and ain't nobody got time for that
unique verge
and the one furthest north spawns 3 as well
slender merlin
She just gets angry that you didn't try if you get less than her anyway which tbh is true
shell merlin
gaunt star
boi u long way
rare sinew
True
thorny stirrup
lol