Gaius is bland and boring.
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
deft flame
gaunt star
the hardest boss in puppets
bold condor
Gaius isn't inherently more interesting in 1.0.
gaunt star
had to be
nocturne void
Just testing
bold condor
Like, he has to be what he is in 2.0.
nocturne void
The fucking planes
bold condor
Because that's who he is.
frigid heron
are we supposed to find Konogg somewhere after the puppet's bunker and ||2b leaving||
bold condor
The only reason he was "interesting in 1.0" is because he was placed next to Nael.
harsh birch
and fights back against Nael's decisions
gaunt star
the planes were hard because i didnt know if they went in or not
then you figured that out
and it was ezpz
bold condor
Yeah, because Nael's decisions are literally dropping a moon on a continent.
Like, it's not hard to be "lesser evil" compared to that.
And he's still not pro-genocide in 2.0.
At least, not for humans.
Beastmen, however.
harsh birch
Yeah but Gaius is pseudo-betraying the Garlean Empire in helping you, etc.
It shows he has his own goals and motives and beliefs.
bold condor
Gaius spent all of 2.0 betraying the Garlean Empire.
gaunt star
bold condor
Literally nothing he did in 2.0 was signed off on by Varis.
He saw Solus was ailing and didn't like the prospects for conquest later with Ultima Weapon in his hands.
So he took matters into his own hands.
polar star
Have you guys seen the Exarch minion description yet?
harsh birch
I'd have to rewatch it, I don't particularly recall that aspect.
polar star
"Modeled upon no one in particular. No, really."
bold condor
He probably figured if Titus won the war of succession, he'd just use Ultima Weapon to take over.
But if Varis won, and he did, capturing Eorzea and presenting a superweapon to the Empire would be a big bonus.
Granted, Varis undermined him.
Through Roaille.
But that's neither here nor there. Point is, Gaius talks the way he talks in 2.0 because that's what a man like Gaius looks like.
He's not "the good 1940s Italian government movement."
And he's currently in the process of stripping away the lie of Garlemald's superiority.
As well as the virtue of Social Darwinism.
Pity he's paying for it with his kids' lives.
harsh birch
sucks 2 suck
viscid monolith
Zenos is definitely closer to Kefka than Sephiroth
bold condor
Sephiroth, but aye.
viscid monolith
Just more stoic and matter of fact
bold condor
Only by a little, hilariously enough.
But the big difference is Kefka is kind of a
Coward.
viscid monolith
Mhm
bold condor
He's not like "I will run away from every fight" but if he doesn't think he can win, he'll split.
viscid monolith
Only fights battles he knows (thinks) he can win
bold condor
Whereas Zenos punishes that kind of thing with death.
Hell, the moment before he becomes a god
Celes stabs him
And he throws a literal tantrum
If that happened to Zenos, he'd consider it foreplay.
harsh birch
He'd relish it
harsh birch
I think that Kefka is just pure chaotic evil. Put in any situation, he will trend towards the worst thing.
Zenos is crazy, but he's almost noble in a way.
bold condor
They're both chaotic evil.
polar star
Do we know any of the faux hollows rewards yet?
harsh birch
Like he actually wants there to be a challenger to him.
polar star
Aside from the mount
harsh birch
Like he doesn't wantonly slay people.
bold condor
Neither has any respect for any law or ethic, and they're both entirely self-centered.
I mean
polar star
And necklace
bold condor
Zenos only doesn't wantonly slay people because it's not fun
It's not because he has any moral objection to it
It's just boring to him
harsh birch
So why didn't he kill you when he had the chance? He was certainly entertained when you busted his helmet.
bold condor
Correct.
harsh birch
It was actually that you did that, that he spared you
bold condor
He saw the potential in you to surpass him.
And give him a real challenge.
He seeks satisfaction, but his "mercy" is only at the edge of his sense of enjoyment.
He literally gave up two imperial territories.
harsh birch
Yes, but that's not really chaotic.
bold condor
So he could get his rocks off in a fight.
scenic sun
Well to much of my suprise at least we know that the next expac is the final story of the star
bold condor
Augh, we're not having this conversation.
Chaotic does not mean "I am crazy I do whatever"
It CAN mean that
But that's not what it means
It means you're more motivated by personal ideals or feelings than you are by strict guidelines be they personal or external.
But I say that with the caveat that the Chaotic-Lawful Good-Evil thing is
Not a good system to judge characters by, broadly speaking.
harsh birch
its a broad brush, sure
bold condor
But we can determine that Zenos is not lawful.
harsh birch
though I think Kefka is almost completely defined by that
bold condor
Kefka is more
harsh birch
Zenos has some other elements to him
bold condor
Variable
Than you're giving him credit for
Before he becomes a god, he's motivated by whatever will benefit himself most.
bold condor
After that, he kills a lot of people and, like Zenos, ends up extremely bored.
gaunt star
https://gyazo.com/7b056e8e18eea24ff9c0af6a2eb06e97
https://gyazo.com/b020c122f78ef8b1374ac5366ce9b8ea
The arm is just a texture
bold condor
Seeing no point in anything from then on, he just kind of
gaunt star
And by that i mean that, no wonder it looks absurdly pixelated
bold condor
Lazes about and contemplates just ending the world for good
gaunt star
Cus its just layered right on top of the Exarch's model
bold condor
Like, he does have a personal ideal which is self-interest.
But because he doesn't feel anything for anyone or about anything he just
It doesn't do anything for him even when he gets everything
He's like a dog chasing a car
harsh birch
IDK his whole mantra is life is destined to end and so life is meaningless and he kinda destroys the world to more or less send that message
he thinks its funny
rigid sapphire
so the rest of this expansion will be involving garlemald, apparently. then next expansion is.... revolt against haedelyn??
lol
harsh birch
and if life is meaningless you don't have to feel bad about destroying it
bold condor
He doesn't think it's funny
That's the whole point, he thought it'd be funny, but it wasn't.
It gave him no pleasure
It's questionable if he can even feel pleasure after the experiments
harsh birch
but the party of 6 is sorta all about coming to terms with maybe life is short, maybe its meaningless, but they can still find something positive in the world
bold condor
All his mummery is a farce to project emotions
harsh birch
yeah I mean he's all sorts of messed up
bold condor
Overproject, even
Yes, their togetherness, their love for one another is the thing Kefka lacks
And it's something he cannot comprehend
When it's placed plainly in front of him at the end, all he can do is reject it flippantly
And double down on his attempt to destroy everything
harsh birch
right because if he destroys them it validates they were just meaningless as well
lunar sinew
Apparentlyt Hildy is hiding in the dungeon--
viscid monolith
I wonder if Fandaniel is also just a crazy nihilistic asshole
mortal oxide
Can someone send me a textgrab of that Beq Lugg says about leaving him with his gremlins if they can remember it - it's going to be my new default excuse for when I CBA
harsh birch
I'm semi bummed ascians are still around and a plot point
viscid monolith
Well ya we been knew that would happen
bold condor
Quick note.
They delberately gave that mandatory tank LB3 because Dark Knight is this expansion's poster child, didn't they?
harsh birch
I mean I thought Zenos (and he may still do this) is going to try to complete Zodiark himself since he seems well aware of Elidibus' goals
but now Fandaniel seems like he's almost true mastermind
viscid monolith
Ya that's the plan
gaunt star
Oh speaking of
polar star
This patch is
gaunt star
Rommy
polar star
amazing
viscid monolith
The Zenos part is the plan
faint dagger
zenos turning into another god 'how many times we need to teach you this lesson old man'
gaunt star
I spoiled myself but:
I believe the reason of "Why no red mask"?
Because White Mask is the "True" Visage of it
rigid sapphire
I feel like I have DAYS of work ahead of me in this patch
before even worrying about EX
it's awesome
harsh birch
when does it come out hydaleyn is evil tho
viscid monolith
Fandaniel might be planning to betray Zenos, or he just genuinely wants to cause chaos on Hydaelyn because he finds it fun.
Who knows
harsh birch
game is pretty heavily alluding to it now
the drumbeat has always been primals be bad
so when
when i say
viscid monolith
The game has proven a few times that all Primals aren't bad
By their nature they are dangerous to the planet, but not evil
harsh birch
Sure
they have their moments
but they all pretty much need to be shut down
their continued existence is bad
viscid monolith
Even Lakshmi is more morally grey than Ifrit, Garuda and Leviathan
gaunt star
Is progressing along
G'raha could you
f+cking stop
At heroically sacrificing yourself
Ramuh as well
harsh birch
They may not 'act bad' but their existence is bad
again they still need to be shut down
harsh birch
arguably the best primal would be uhhh
gaunt star
Ravana bad tho
harsh birch
Alexander
oak pike
Ramuh is LN
harsh birch
Even Alexander kinda turns himself off after he does what he needs to do
viscid monolith
Ya Alexander is True Good
gaunt star
viscid monolith
During the 8th Calamity
gaunt star
Yeah
viscid monolith
Btw Vhy did you finish the MSQ
gaunt star
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF IT
It explicitly says that
Yes but
When
Cus, as far as i know
We stopped it
harsh birch
yeah but its a time paradox thing
gaunt star
Yeah
polar star
LMAO GRAHA IN THAT LAST SCENE
harsh birch
its like
harsh birch
if you are the one who manipulates time you are excused from being affected by the timeline you change
in the future an 8th shard was joined
that exarch lived through
polar star
I'm not used to seeing G'raha without his cloak and it's weirding me out
gaunt star
OH THE FUTURE
harsh birch
that shard won't be rejoined to him anymore
the future you stopped
but he still lived through
harsh birch
yes
polar star
Oh yeah and G'raha without his crystal skin is also weirding me out
But this patch story wise is amazing and I couldn't be more satisfied with this ending
scenic sun
I loved how Alisei was salty that she didn't get a job improvement
gaunt star
i cant believe we wish emet selch to save us
Thank you for following my dumb joke, Thancred
You aren't bad
deft flame
Emet Selch turned out to be the Shepherd of the stars.
scenic sun
@gaunt star he didn't save us. Only repayed the favor
late trail
So does Hythlodaeus refer to Azem with respective pronouns depending on your character's gender?
bold condor
ye
unreal wadi
Emet Selch eyyy
Its funny, my group was filled with JP
Someone predicted last moment to use tank LB3
and we barely survived that scene
mint axle
I think it may be the first time tank lb is mandatory in a trial and not a raid
wet crown
Puppet's Bunker, takes on a new meaning. We thought it just meant the YoRHa units but it's the P-models.
subtle horizon
I wish we got to learn Elidibus' name
bold condor
I think they did it specifically because DRK was the poster-child of this expac.
wet crown
Also, fucking aliens.
bold condor
And since it's a tank, having a mandatory tank LB will let DRKs do their thing.
unreal wadi
So elidibus
wet crown
And that magic ring easter egg during the first fight
mint axle
A primal made by a primal
wet crown
scenic sun
I thought it was mostly due to it being the crash site of the bunker @wet crown
mint axle
talk about primalception
bold condor
I vote we call the little Ancient Elidibus "Ewidibwus" from now on.
wet crown
YoRHa Unit No.2 Type-P
P stands for puppet.
scenic sun
OOOOOOH
subtle horizon
He lives for his job and jobs for a living
scenic sun
SHIT
rain onyx
No it stands for Panasonic /s
unreal wadi
pretty much
drowsy belfry
Panasonic 99 dollars
drowsy belfry
HEEEE
wet crown
I thought maybe it stands for parasite. Since the chance for the machine hivemind to infest YoRHa seemed reasonable enough
gaunt star
P for Pp
subtle horizon
Yoshi 2-P
quasi zodiac
Maybe the white part represents something to do
subtle horizon
||what if we put the wrong stones next ti the bodies and Alphi and Ali swapped bodies||
quasi zodiac
with Hyd?
bold condor
a lot of the glyphs are like
modified heavily
some are mirrored
or put upside down
his is negative space
mint axle
Has anyone shown the "Wind-up Mystel" minion to G'raha Tia yet?
bold condor
that being said
wet crown
Yes, you get some neat banter
bold condor
the negative space in that glyph
is the part of the glyph that looks like Hashmal
so that might be why
See what I mean? You've got his little fans and shit this way.
winged charm
Btw
floral aurora
F that button smash mechanic lmao
winged charm
I just finished the latest patch .. only one dungon and one trial ?
strong dew
||bahaha i love the ascian possessing Asahi's body. He is so theatrical. ||
floral aurora
And 24 raid
winged charm
Will there be new savage as well ?
winged charm
Dude the trial was intense
pastel coyote
i lose at spamming with a controller
unreal fox
so is this "final chapter of this star" mean theres only one expansion left?
pastel coyote
drowsy belfry
Nope
floral aurora
Is that button smash in extre?
winged charm
Nah I doubt only one expansion
floral aurora
Extreme?
unreal fox
just last story related to the source then?
wet crown
Any clue yet what the compound's title means?
winged charm
Maybe for this story world .. don't forgot there are couple of worlds out there
drowsy belfry
6.0 will be the end of the Hydaelyn and Zodiark Arc that started in 2.0
floral aurora
Going to make my hands tired farming it
wet crown
I'm drawing a blank
drowsy belfry
After that there'll be more story
nocturne void
Longing in ASCII apparently
strong dew
"final chapter" WAIT WHAT?!
winged charm
Its not lol
unreal fox
COMING SOON TO A PC NEAR YOU: final fantasy 7 times 2, join us on the 7th for stories of a new threat looming on the 7th shard !
viscid monolith
Wow it just hit me that the rejoinings are stopped once and for all.
polar sail
is there a full spoiler of all the 24 man gear somewhere?
strong dew
so we get like one more expac?
unreal fox
Wow it just hit me that the rejoinings are stopped once and for all.
@viscid monolith theres still more ascians
wet crown
final part of the Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc
strong dew
ohhhh
floral aurora
6.0 better be the moon
unreal fox
theres 11 angels listed in the zodiac brave story
strong dew
i think i've noticed quite a bit of new animations in this one cutscene alone.
viscid monolith
Depends on the desires of the remaining sundered Ascians
strong dew
or am i just crazy?
unreal fox
only nabriales, lahabrea, emmet selch, igeyorm, have died
viscid monolith
Maybe not all of them want a rejoining
unreal fox
as you can see fandaniel, the new one, is on here
strong dew
G'raha's ear waggles sent me to the moon.
unreal fox
im assuming some of the other ones still might wanna fuck around
viscid monolith
Fandaniel's comment hints that not all of the sundered ascians cared to bring Zodiark back.
unreal fox
WOL is ascian confirmed
viscid monolith
I wonder if the Sundered Ascians were even tempered
nocturne void
Here we go.
The code displayed above the name of the final boss in its introductory cutscene (4C6F6E67696E67) is an ASCII Hex code for "Longing"
So says the subreddit
nocturne void
Straight out of berserk
bold condor
That man made me wish that dungeon had voice acting.
unreal fox
all of the bosses in that dungeon are FF5 jobs
glacial turret
The berserker is hot
bold condor
Y'shtola: "Alphinaud asked me if it's insulting to call G'raha Tia a tia because he technically led a territory. But since he's a soyboy, I'm calling him 'tia' anyway."
nocturne void
bold condor
Y'stola: "Tell Alphinaud Tia that I said that."
unreal fox
the hells a soyboy
wet crown
who is that and what is wrong with his face
unreal fox
then why use it?
bold condor
It's funny to imply Y'shtola thinks that G'raha is one because tia.
unreal fox
i dont get it
gaunt star
lol
bold condor
She's calling him a beta male, which is technically what tia implies but it's also an exaggeration of Y'shtola's actual views on the subject.
wet crown
Ahh, crap. Only fun snippet I got was Giott's Final Heaven from the twins
viscid monolith
@wet crown He's part bear
unreal fox
but where was this conversation ever
wet crown
Who punches like that?
Actually, sister. When you get really angry....A-actually. Never mind
viscid monolith
I forgot what they're called but some humans in Berserk can give up their humanity and become animal human hybrids
wet crown
Or something like that
nocturne void
Apostles
viscid monolith
Thanks Corn
hearty drift
Hey, so there wasn't any special reward at the end of the puppet bunker btw? Like the 2b coffer in the first one?
wet crown
No
bold condor
Basically, half your friends are there, they have fun dialogue.
Also it's cool that we have a new room in the Rising Stones in general.
wet crown
Ahh. Gonna check tomorrow
unreal fox
and whats a beta?
strong dew
Aenor is forever thirsty I swear lmao
bold condor
It's what some people believe humans are divided into based on a falsified study on wolves in captivity that has no basis in reality.
mint axle
I still think Elidibus hacked the LB system
strong dew
lmao
unreal fox
oh the outdated concept of pack alphas
lol 2 wolves are in charge because theyre mom and dad, not because of superiority
bold condor
Essentially, toxic masculinity tried to dictate the existence of a strong "alpha" male and a weak "beta" male when that dichotomy is woefully inefficient to encompass even a fraction of what masculinity can represent.
Yes, that's why I pointed out the study is based on falsified study on behavior of animals in captivity.
unreal fox
english slang is so ...foreign
bold condor
pets Daisy
bold condor
It's okay to be furry, too. All offerings are accepted by Aranaktu.
unreal fox
who
viscid monolith
Eehh beta isn't slang
bold condor
silk matrix
are we all in agreement that they practically showed off the next two jobs or am I just crazy
bold condor
Which two?
silk matrix
In Heroes Gauntlet D:
glacial turret
Berserker as a huge sword dps would be amazing
drowsy belfry
Nah nothing really implied any new jobs
bold condor
It's just another name for Warrior and he's literally using Inner Beast.
next quarry
I want to hug that Berserker
silk matrix
Not if he's a DPS
next quarry
He looks like he needs one
wet crown
They hinted at Apothecary. Nothing else.
glacial turret
Warrior and berserker are diff jobs in ff lore
silk matrix
and has NO defense cds 🙂
bold condor
Not in FFXIV.
next quarry
XIV combines jobs
unreal fox
are we all in agreement that they practically showed off the next two jobs or am I just crazy
@silk matrix youre crazy
unreal fox
because berserker is warrior
glacial turret
Okay
next quarry
Like Bard is Archer/Bard
craggy gale
Give me patissier
silk matrix
Bit true, tho tbh I dunno what they'll do with Necromancer 
bold condor
O-okay.
craggy gale
I wanna combat bake
bold condor
Fun fact, though, Marauder also uses viking lore.
teal geyser
Y'shtola: "Alphinaud asked me if it's insulting to call G'raha Tia a tia because he technically led a territory. But since he's a soyboy, I'm calling him 'tia' anyway."
@bold condor okay but would Runar be a Tia to Y'shtola if seeker
glacial turret
Yshtola sucks
bold condor
Runar's a Ronso.
bold condor
I guess?
teal geyser
because he is one hell of a simp
unreal fox
runar is friend zoned
silk matrix
me 2 girl me 2
teal geyser
because he's cool?
subtle pasture
I was convinced she was gonna say she's awoken to the echo
bold condor
Because all simping is inferior to Zenos simping.
silk matrix
be nice to runar 
teal geyser
Oh
silk matrix
^^&^^^^
bold condor
If you don't simp for Zenos, you're already functioning on a lower level of existence.
glacial turret
The twins hinted they will change jobs in expansion
bold condor
!faq juicy
lusty shadowBOT
glacial turret
So new healer and new caster is my guess
wet crown
No. Only healer.
subtle pasture
Puppets' Bunker is fun hell if I know how this gorup didn't wipe on the last boss
peak rune
Okay
subtle pasture
most attempts was third boss, hahaaaaa
wet crown
An Ascian
subtle pasture
A previously unmentioned ascian,
strong dew
is that his official name?
bold condor
It's his title.
unreal fox
one of the OG zodiac braves the ascians are based off of
peak rune
Yeah, not of the unasundered, so wouldn't he be less powerful?
subtle pasture
such a blip on the radar I meme'd it into, well,
strong dew
how do we know this?
plain saffron
you can sit on the mech lmao
bold condor
He... he said it.
strong dew
eh?
bold condor
He said his name was Fandaniel.
strong dew
huh. i must've missed that.
wet crown
Yeah, it's weird that he said his name is fandaniel
strong dew
ah okay i'll rewatch the cutscene
peak rune
I thought Gaius killed off all of the remaining ascians beside the big two
bold condor
Not really.
unreal fox
He just came out of nowhere
@peak rune thats the point, he did come out of nowhere
bold condor
When you ask Lahabrea for his name, did he not say Lahabrea?
unreal fox
I thought Gaius killed off all of the remaining ascians beside the big two
@peak rune the convocation still exists
bold condor
Same with the rest, really.
unreal fox
he just killed off minions from the faction
bold condor
Gaius, as far as we know
peak rune
The sundered ones right?
bold condor
Killed no Ascians at all.
unreal fox
black masks are just fodder
subtle pasture
like, well....
peak rune
Are we talking about the Convocation of the ancients or Ascian one?
glacial turret
Im fodder
subtle pasture
Fandaniel would still be a red mask, but yes, he is "lesser" in that he's an uplifted shard
bold condor
But until we find out more about his companions.
subtle pasture
Also, neat to learn how uplifting works
bold condor
We won't really know if Gaius permanently killed any red masks.
subtle pasture
It wouldn't have mattered, as long as Eli or Emet at the time had held on to the Constellation Crystals
bold condor
If they know about white auracite, we're probably fine.
strong dew
so where's this bozja questline thingie start at?
subtle pasture
for my whole "but they've never said the friend and the 14th in the same breath"
peak rune
Is Zenos going to be a patch ending boss for 5.4 or 5.5, or is he going to be part of the main next expansion
unreal fox
only 4 members of the convocation are dead
zenos probably going to be big bad of next exp
bold condor
5 members.
drowsy belfry
bold condor
Lahabrea, Elidibus, Emet-Selch, Nabriales, Igeyorhm.
drowsy belfry
subtle pasture
I'm also to surprised to learn, like...
vivid aurora
god after the ||sapphire weapon stuff|| i hope ||nero pops in like char with his BIG RED MECH||
subtle pasture
okay,
drowsy belfry
Giott knows what's UP
bold condor
Add Mitron and Lohgrif, actually.
subtle pasture
how much gil could House Brutus really have
bold condor
Potentially a lot.
unreal fox
lamitt was "lusting after ardbert's loins" in the lore books
bold condor
She wanted the D.
unreal fox
the warrior of D
gaunt star
I have gotten the 14th Crystal
strong dew
xD
unreal fox
(arkness)
gaunt star
And this orange crystal tells me
God this was a great cutscene
We have the power of Naruto
subtle pasture
I know they had a home in the capitol but it sounded like it was earned by Asahi's accomplishments, such that earned him the title of sas
unreal fox
why is that hand fucking that hand?
subtle pasture
so idk what he's "inheriting" exactly,
peak rune
They really talk no jutsu Elidibus at the end lmao
subtle pasture
other than, well, Asahi's shit
gaunt star
Yo does anyone know how to get the Ell Tou mount?
subtle pasture
God i can't believe Asahi 2.0 is a big bad of 6.0
bold condor
If they had a home in the capital, they were probably rich.
unreal fox
seriously what is that thumb doing to that hand
gaunt star
unreal fox
it looks illegal
subtle pasture
Well again, it souunded like it was earned by having a son in CO position and a daughter as acting viceroy,
drowsy belfry
And so, I've done everything 5.3 has to offer
subtle pasture
not so much a "fortune" for the parents
drowsy belfry
and all I can say is
Fuck me 5.1 - 5.3 was better then 4.1 - 4.3
Fuck you Stormblood
unreal fox
stormblood was garbage
floral idol
yo when emet selch does his hand-wave in the trial
bold condor
gaunt star
floral idol
i could watch that infinite amount of times and stillg et shivers
drowsy belfry
And now
unreal fox
stooopppp that hand is fucking weird
wet crown
Stormblood isn't that bad. Just inferior to HW and ShB
subtle pasture
this msq was so
how dare you make me sympathize with Eli
--to be expected, I suppose.
nocturne void
I guess I have to prog the new Trial EX to get that Orchestrion roll
gaunt star
@nocturne void prog eith .e
silk matrix
next quarry
Elidibus sorta just seemed like a kid trying his best imo
next orbit
Where's Granson after MSQ?
subtle pasture
I thought the last nail to the heart was that he was a kid all along, hence the tiny form post-trial
like, someone young, elevated to that burden
bold condor
Super Kami Rommy: So, Stormblood, how does it feel to be the bronze medal?
Stormblood: Like none of my characters are dead.
Super Kami Rommy: ...
Super Kami Rommy: Every party needs a pooper that's why we invited you. Party pooooper. Party poooooper.
nocturne void
Hell yeah, the custom deliveries guy knows me
wet crown
Pls
drowsy belfry
ALSO HOT TAKE
drowsy belfry
That maker's ruin remix at the end of Puppet
prisma vine
reminded me of unu
subtle pasture
He definitely is teeny
nocturne void
He is tiny
subtle pasture
but I'm hrothgar
drowsy belfry
was fucking fantastic
forest magnet
I was miqo'te
wet crown
It's actually Torn From the Heaven's
subtle pasture
I thought "omfg don't tell me he was a kid all this time"
next quarry
Yea it's torn
subtle pasture
but same ol deep voice came out
wet crown
and one other NieR remix in there, too
bold condor
"he was a kid"
north ibex
Where does one unlock the unreal trials
bold condor
13,000 year old minimum
subtle pasture
Actually, in the flashbacks earlier,
prisma vine
was probs just younger
wet crown
colossus something
nocturne void
Idyllshire
forest magnet
nice, new nickname that's not spoilery
wet crown
he had it way longer
drowsy belfry
prisma vine
like elevated when young maybe
subtle pasture
I need to back and watch but uh,
wet crown
Oh, yours. Nvm
subtle pasture
in the flashbacks,
nocturne void
just a second
subtle pasture
are the other Convocation members looking down to him?
not, like, condescending, but, just in height
prisma vine
yeah seems like
gaunt star
when you watch your friend play through the trial and cry at ||elidibus' death|| again
subtle pasture
No I mean literally, in terms of height?
prisma vine
like physically looked taller than whoever they spoke to
next quarry
Oh yeah lol
nocturne void
There we go
prisma vine
uwudibus
subtle pasture
jawdropping moment of the first half
drowsy belfry
We all thought 
was a Lalafell at one point
bold condor
I called it
drowsy belfry
but in came Elidibus
vast tinsel
Did they drop that 6.0 could potentially be the final story arc of FFXIV?
forest magnet
It's ironic that Elidibus draws strength from his adversaries
vast tinsel
at the end
forest magnet
6.0 is the end.
nocturne void
It's not
subtle pasture
No, not at all, it's the finale of Hydaelyn v Zodiark
gaunt star
Huh
prisma vine
of the hydaelyn zodiark story
next quarry
"of the star"
subtle pasture
but not the end of 14
forest magnet
The story is around 80% done, per Yoshi-P interview
wet crown
Yes, the servers will immidiately shut down after 6.0
forest magnet
Pog
gaunt star
Lmaoo
vast tinsel
so 6.0 would be the "end"
forest magnet
I'm free
prisma vine
ffxiv wont end just the main story we have been doing
wet crown
Yes, 6.0 will cancel all of XIV's development on the spot
vast tinsel
Wonder where they go from there
subtle pasture
So what was it exactly,
wet crown
Home
nocturne void
There's more story arcs
bold condor
riding home
subtle pasture
all this time, Elidibus was a primal of Elidibus, Heart of Zodiark
wet crown
primal-ception
nocturne void
Rmember that so far we're still on story threads that were set up in ARR
drowsy belfry
- The ending/finale of the main story scenario is already decided (Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc). So please look forward to it™️. Just because Hydaelyn-Zodiark arc ends doesn't mean the end of FFXIV. There will be a new story arc beyond this - Yoshi-P
Can we pin this?
drowsy belfry
Cause I feel like we're gonna get the IS 6.0 THE END question alot
prisma vine
teeeccchhhhnicalllllyyyy
forest magnet
well rommy is alumni so i don't think they have pinning power anymore
prisma vine
he tore himself out of zodiark
wet crown
Either Zodiark is an empty shell now or whatever
prisma vine
his own devotion + what people cried out for
gaunt star
Doing gundam
subtle pasture
just, more direct than Min even was
flat berry
question: how can graha tia exist outside of the tower now?
prisma vine
it was shown
pastel coyote
because he can
gaunt star
It was shown
subtle pasture
Source Raha isn't bound like Exarch was
scenic sun
Man i love the mech but this is hard as fuck
subtle pasture
Also Y'shtola is totally on the chopping block,
flat berry
i must of missed that part
gaunt star
Source graha was just sleeping
next orbit
Yeah
flat berry
so they woke up the one that said he'd wait for 1000 yeras
wet crown
I can't wait for the cat screeching
gaunt star
Then first graha was like
subtle pasture
Also there was so much love and detail put into that cutscene at the cafe
--I am disappointed Tartaru's "new outfits" are
...exactly what they had on the First
next orbit
Yeah
next quarry
Urianger is just a JoJo reference
next quarry
First 3.4 with the book
next orbit
I tohught like NEW OUTFITS?
next quarry
And now with the cards
subtle pasture
Exxcept the twins,
drowsy belfry
Now Tataru, about OUR new clothes in 5.5 
harsh birch
should've at least dyed them slightly differently
wet crown
Their HW stuff looks better
nocturne void
I want urianger to have triple triad cards
drowsy belfry
I'm thinkin
wet crown
Don't complain
subtle pasture
which, they are totally foreshadowing a growth spurt in 6.0
next quarry
HW Thancred is meh
drowsy belfry
Scion Ancient Set
wet crown
I meant the twins
gaunt star
Why the fuck
peak rune
which, they are totally foreshadowing a growth spurt in 6.0
@subtle pasture I thought the same
wet crown
You're not
drowsy belfry
drowsy belfry
It's clearly a Gundam reference you fuckin
forest magnet
yea why
drowsy belfry
REEEE
peak rune
One of the twins were complaining about lack of personal development
It's a possibility
subtle pasture
Dunno, just thee jokes about how the twins haven't had sufficient character development for new clothing,
bold condor
Being small Elezen is 90% of their design
gaunt star
bold condor
the remaining 10% is twins
drowsy belfry
Anyway RIP anybody starting Eden after 5.3's MSQ
subtle pasture
Yeah, it was fairly tongue-in-cheek, but I took it as growing up foreshadowing a little
yeah probsd
drowsy belfry
"Why is Thancred back on the First"
subtle pasture
OH MY GODDDD
drowsy belfry
¯_(ツ)_/¯
subtle pasture
SHE MENTIONED HERRRRR
bold condor
she did
peak rune
I was expecting Thancred to stay back
bold condor
c r u s h
subtle pasture
All I ever wanted 
gaunt star
He was going to die
subtle pasture
--was bothered she didn't show up when all the Crystarium said goodbye
I will say, like, I never cried about G'raha this patch,
since he never, really, died?
peak rune
G'raha's all shy and stuff
bold condor
I cried profusely so
late trail
Giott using a MNK LB3 as a WAR was the best thing ever
subtle pasture
that was waterworks.
next orbit
I teared up with Ryne
restive robin
What did you guys think of the new trial? I just played it and I think its very similar to the hades fight but different at the same time.
forest magnet
It's eh
next orbit
Exdeath
peak rune
I haven't played so I can't say anything
forest magnet
music is better, mechanics are better, boss design is better, etc
bold condor
some good meta shit right there
subtle pasture
I don't think it's fair to compare the diff trials like that,
restive robin
Hades was cooler but I liked the mechanics of this trial a little bit more
subtle pasture
It was certainly cool.
gaunt star
that new trial gave me a boner
Shit was badass
nocturne void
Music was good
prisma vine
like Shinryu was cooler than Tsukuyomi but the latter was still great
subtle pasture
I had to pick up my co-heals from the floor a dozen times in the second half
forest magnet
only 1 theme though
forest magnet
imo it's not as good as nidhogg or tsukyomi
subtle pasture
that felt the most
prisma vine
Thordan beats Nidhogg tho
subtle pasture
gd random
restive robin
||The part where that dude saves you and just walks off was sooo badass dudes||
prisma vine
it was the summonrs fanboy
peak rune
The part where that dude saves you and just walks off was sooo badass dudes
@restive robin Who was that guy?
next orbit
The tank failed to LB on time for three wipes when I get in it the second time with my friend
prisma vine
he summoned summoners?
prisma vine
it was emet
bold condor
It's probably Azem.
drowsy belfry
My official opinion on the new trial is: Thematically? It's pretty fucking dope. Mechanic wise? It's literally just another story trial, nothing new
subtle pasture
Ohhhh, it was Spectral Ink Mages? neat
peak rune
Who's Azem
bold condor
Since that's who responded when we called Azem.
forest magnet
@peak rune we're split on whether it was azem or emet selch/ hades
prisma vine
theories are emet or azem
bold condor
Azem is your original self.
subtle pasture
Oh it was definitely Emet who saved us, he did the snap and the walk,
bold condor
Hades wore a red mask.
subtle pasture
he pulled us out of the chrysalis
bold condor
So it's probably not Hades.
restive robin
Uhh I forgot his name but hes the dude that talks about the crystals
prisma vine
yes but he's free now
forest magnet
it's azem becaquse we called on him, it's emet because he did the hand wave thingy/snap
subtle pasture
just like he did to Y'shtola
bold condor
Azem's mask is always white.
restive robin
Remember?
next orbit
Is "Azem" our title or our actual name?
restive robin
It starts with h uhhh
pastel coyote
the bahamut part ? Well from my understanding baha is cool with the wol in ff1
bold condor
"Free" does not imply "no red mask."
peak rune
He was named? If Azem is us, then who'se Venat?
severe brook
the body language was very much like hades though
restive robin
WHAT WAS HIS NAME UHHH ITS ESCAPING ME RN
bold condor
Venat was the one in charge of the group who summoned Hydaelyn.
Yes, Hades probably adopted that body language from us.
scenic sun
I DID IT
gaunt star
Venat is still the heart of hydaelyn probably
severe brook
hythlodaeus?
scenic sun
FUCK YOU OCTOPUS
forest magnet
Yeah, idk why'd they give Azem the 'hand wave' and 'finger snap' of Emet Selch
bold condor
I put more thought into it and Hades wasn't that kind of person when he was an Ancient.
subtle pasture
I think it's definitely Hades, bc 
restive robin
@severe brook YES
gaunt star
yeah he looked more serious as an Ancient
severe brook
yeah, he was more surly as an Ancient
bold condor
If it's meant to represent Hades before he became Emet-Selch, that wouldn't make much sense.
peak rune
It makes sense it's either Azem or Emet
restive robin
Thats who I thought he was
gaunt star
So maybe it is hades
bold condor
Since Hades was also like
gaunt star
Maybe it isn't
bold condor
Not a friend of Elidibus.
subtle pasture
Plus I don't think it was Azem manifesting, I think it was deffo Hades plucking us from the Chrysalis
bold condor
So seeing him there wouldn't mean anything to anyone.
forest magnet
Azem wasn't a friend of elidibus either?
restive robin
Emet probably looks different from the other ascians like elidibus does
subtle pasture
But we're also Hades' friend,
bold condor
Since we don't see Hades.
bold condor
Azem was not a friend of Elidibus, no.
prisma vine
i think we are meant to wonder
gaunt star
Damn
bold condor
Only Hythlodaeus and us.
subtle pasture
remember Rom, Hades even made Azem's Constellation Crystal
bold condor
We were colleagues.
forest magnet
like damn dude how many shards did you kill again?
peak rune
I was surprised when Elidibus called us murderers
@gaunt star Lmao
subtle pasture
despite none being made bc they defected
next orbit
Elidibus mentioned he made a promise to someone
gaunt star
mmm Yoshi did say wed see emet selch again in an older interview just not alive 
bold condor
Correct, but it's Azem's constellation crystal.
Meaning if you call upon it.
You'd get Azem.
restive robin
Yeah I think it was hythlodaeus
prisma vine
this is our "was it really haurch n ysayle ghosts or did we imagine"
bold condor
The constellation crystal looks identical to a soul crystal.
pastel coyote
well i doubt it was Azem cause.... it's us ? More like a creation of Hades that trigger under condition ?
restive robin
When I saw that wave I was like THATS SO BADASS DUDE
peak rune
Yes
bold condor
It's the same concept as when you summoned Haldrath.
subtle pasture
Inversely I think it was Hades being called by the stone, too
gaunt star
Shit was low key sadder than "remember we lived"
bold condor
We had all fourteen stones.
gaunt star
it was us ok
prisma vine
-shane madej voice- let it be a mystery
bold condor
The only one we use is Azem's.
subtle pasture
I don't think Azem was invoked also bc we were near death and about to succumb to darkness,
restive robin
Like I said, emet probably looks different from other ascians like Elidibus does
pastel coyote
but who create the 14th stone if not Hades ?
restive robin
Why would Lahabrea help us though?
bold condor
Yes, we were near death and about to succumb to Darkness and so we invoked Azem's stone.
Which would logically mean we summoned Azem.
gaunt star
considering Elidibus lost track of who he gave the promise to and his purpose @gaunt star its even sadder
bold condor
I get loving Hades.
subtle pasture
But why would we summon ourselves?
gaunt star
😔
restive robin
Exactly
peak rune
Lmao
bold condor
It's our inner strength.
next orbit
To summon US back from the "rift" ?
prisma vine
rommy were the 3.3 apparitions real or imagined
gaunt star
tho i loved the 'you have no fight left to fight' option
bold condor
3.3 apparitions were probably real seeing as Alphinaud saw them too.
subtle pasture
we needa have like,
restive robin
No life to live
gaunt star
they were real
prisma vine
yeah but nobody else
pastel coyote
hey Rommy, did Thordan see us as Ancient ?
subtle pasture
a "Hades or Azem" vote in a week or two
pastel coyote
gaunt star
no
bold condor
Thordan didn't see us as an Ancient.
restive robin
It was hythlodaeus though
gaunt star
Thordan couldnt believe he got stomped
bold condor
Per the devs, he just saw us as the embodiment of evil opposite his own perception of himself.
restive robin
He had every reason to help us
forest magnet
I think it's emet selch because Y'shtola mentioned Emet Selch had contingincies for Elidibus.
prisma vine
and we know that they didn't actually like go to halone's halls
forest magnet
That's another big clue
subtle pasture
Nah Hythlodaeus is bound to the Amaurot illusion
forest magnet
or reason
gaunt star
Why did Elidibus blame us for lahabrea
We didn't kill him
bold condor
I mean, at least Hythlodaeus looks like who it was.
prisma vine
so why wouldn't they be in the lifestream
bold condor
We have like
gaunt star
we were responsible for his death tho
TFW i have to pause pre dungeon cus IRL responsibilities
bold condor
Four models for Hades.
gaunt star
even if we didnt land the final blow
restive robin
Yeah thats who I thought it was because of that
gaunt star
was pretty obviously emet-selch, they even imply it in the dialogue afterwards
bold condor
No they don't
bold condor
They say he likely left you the means to save yourself
prisma vine
idk i think it's unclear and until devs say that its one or the other, nobody has the last word
bold condor
That's not the same as them saying "I think the specific spectre was Emet-Selch"
pastel coyote
Not-Aasahi is kinda.... hard to take seriously ? I have the feeling they try to add a joker but it feel blank
gaunt star
well they probably wont touch upon it for a few months or until the post-5.3 interviews
There's no real confirmation to who it was since they said they'll never know
So feel free to believe it was emet selch, I will
nocturne void
You know who I think it was?
gaunt star
restive robin
But I keep saying, emet probably looks different then the other ascians because he was a “leader” like elidibus was
prisma vine
yeah
forest magnet
i mean why would they throw in the gestures if it wasn't Emet
nocturne void
Nael Van Darnus
gaunt star
so they just make hylo do the exact same thing emet has been doing literally since he first came into the game
nocturne void
She's back
random anvil
Maaan i thought we were done with Ascians
bold condor
No one's saying not to feel free to believe what you want.
gaunt star
Rommy are they gonna post more of the tales?
prisma vine
@random anvil never!
bold condor
I'm just pointing out why I do not believe it was.
prisma vine
o shit the tales could explain yeah
bold condor
Especially since, given the description of Azem's personality
gaunt star
Oh word you're right
gaunt star
he did imply multiple times that he knew us in 5.0
bold condor
Since he sees us as Azem
restive robin
what was the description of azem again I forgot
subtle pasture
I could totally see if it was Azem emulating him
subtle pasture
I just like to think it was one last show of good faith from 'im
random anvil
So Hydo was just a buddy right
subtle pasture
He was not-- oh, as in they were a hero-like, yeah
bold condor
Worth noting Hades only ever does that wave to WoL.
subtle pasture
does Azem's pronouns change based on the player
forest magnet
we don't know that
bold condor
Yes.
gaunt star
yes
forest magnet
he could've done it to many other ppl
bold condor
We know it based on how he exits other scenes.
restive robin
If it was azem then the gesture would be a nod 
severe brook
the Azem gesture is smacking a fist into an open palm and nodding
pastel coyote
but Azem sound good regardless of the gender