retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[teal salmon]

I haven’t done my weeklies for a while

[eternal storm]

I cleared first 3 fights week 1

Did weeklies but havent touched p8 much

[subtle pasture]

I cleared P7S week 3 and then fell off about a month after

Progging P8S P1 is a bit of a pain learning two whole rotations for the fight

Takes me back to Guardian, I suppose.

Don’t forget ur free twine fron Euphrosyne coins

[glossy hemlock]

I’ll wait for next tier to do savage sigh I was gonna prog week one but I ate something that had crab oil in it and felt awful for weeks after and by that time everyone was progging higher stuff and I didn’t wanna deal with people who couldn’t clear before. Spent a whole run in P5S and didn’t even see devour even though there were strats up so I gave up

[pine epoch]

Previous deep dungeons I believe launched on .3s and bot 35s. But things could be different this time

[brisk quail]

Ill wait for the next tier to give it 3 days of PUG prog and then quit because my mentals around randoms who can barely play the game is in the gutter and then say I totally have the ability to do savage but PUG sucks because I can't get a static

[pine epoch]

But patch site says .35

[crystal arrow]

it says 6.35 on the patch site

[glossy hemlock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/151558839005741056/1055807910766190652/firefox_2022-12-23_19-23-24.jpg

[pastel venture]

thats a mood

[glossy hemlock]

It’s 6.35

[glossy hemlock]

I know you’re being sarcastic but legitimately don’t wanna deal with people who can’t learn the fight. Barbie EX was hard enough trying to teach every A2C party that somehow never saw Mario Kart. I just don’t have the patience for people

[brisk quail]

I'm like 40% sarcastic 60% deadass

All the time

[pastel venture]

no cap on god fr fr

[brisk quail]

It's called Aura of the Shitposter

[glossy hemlock]

Lmao

[brisk quail]

So guys if he throws the chakram it's point blank right? And if it's flare I run towards the party?

Me on our 50th wipe:

Ah shit. The knockback that always happens at 3 minutes, I forgot to knockback immune it for the 10th time in a row!

[pastel venture]

some ppl are just. not meant to do hard content

and dont realize it

[glossy hemlock]

I was helping some people run Emerald weapon EX a while back.. I can’t even count how many times I had to explain the orbs, and somehow people kept fucking it up. I legitimately broke down a bit and asked them “Do you know how a clock works??” I just can’t handle it anymore

[brisk quail]

I broke down at ASSS

Blind progging Silke

[brisk quail]

Was fine and comfy. Until you got someone who couldn't understand as I tried to say please don't make the ice brooms go diagonal, move them at right angles

then they say okay then slam them right ontop of silke so she can fuck it up

[glossy hemlock]

I may be stupid but I just can’t understand the absolute worm brain that could allow someone to be told exactly how to do something and then still do the wrong thing..

[brisk quail]

Echos of getting your ASSS handed to by people who never did elementary school geometry: https://youtu.be/4MlZzCvtVpg

This song I can hear in my nightmares

[glossy hemlock]

[brisk quail]

You know it's REAL bad

When they all ask for a danger dorito

Cuz you're the only one who understands any of it

[glossy hemlock]

[brisk quail]

🥹

[glossy hemlock]

I just pray that I get the mount for next EX as soon as possible

I was so lucky to get it on like my sixth run of Barbie

[brisk quail]

Honestly... all my desire for hard content is at the start of an expac

Where it feels like there's some reasonable people

Like hydalen/zodiark ex was a fun set of grinds

[glossy hemlock]

That’s why I rather get things cleared as soon as possible tbh

[brisk quail]

But then savage raid hit and everyone shit their pants

And all the good people just up and went

[glossy hemlock]

I liked P1S

[dim sigil]

I wanted to do more ex but after the first two I just never did any of the others, did endsinger ex a bit but was not feeling it

[teal salmon]

Barb ex is fun

[glossy hemlock]

I got to do P1S and some of P2S but then I dropped the static I joined for it because they were kinda dicks about gender stuff and also I was moving at the time so I just gave up on it

[brisk quail]

You can accelerate that quitting process by doing PUGs@glossy hemlock

[glossy hemlock]

Tbh I like the EX fights when people know how to do them

[brisk quail]

Didn't need to join a static for that

You can even quit as soon as the first fight in a tier

Very optimal

[glossy hemlock]

I did PF for P5S and skipped to P6S because my FC mate wanted me to day one and it wasn’t so bad tbh

[eternal storm]

Emerald weapon best fight cuz gaius

[glossy hemlock]

Based

[brisk quail]

Emerald was a blast

[glossy hemlock]

But I think Diamond weapon is more fun tbh

[brisk quail]

Diamond was... boring

I didn't like it much

The ship hopping was fine

[glossy hemlock]

[eternal storm]

I wish diamond had a 2nd phase

[glossy hemlock]

It sorta does

[eternal storm]

Yknow, like the others

[brisk quail]

But half the fight just being dodging him on the single ship made me snooze

Like maan.

[eternal storm]

Tiger doesnt count HAWAII

[brisk quail]

It felt like there should've been more

It definitely felt like it was missing the most comparatively to the other weapon fights

[glossy hemlock]

I liked it tbh his mechanics are so easy to read it’s really easy to teach people how to do it

[brisk quail]

Ruby had that frantic final phase

[glossy hemlock]

Ruby 🤢

[brisk quail]

Emerald had the firing line and sword phases

And diamond had... uh... flood ray and uh... he jump to orbs

[pastel venture]

I like emerald the best tbh

[glossy hemlock]

I prefer that tbh just because it’s hard for people to fuck it up

[pastel venture]

that 2nd phase transition

[glossy hemlock]

So hot

[pastel venture]

the music

[glossy hemlock]

But also Gaius just like yells at you through your link pearl the whole time?

While he watches somehow

[brisk quail]

And it shows how much of a GAMER he was back in his prime

[glossy hemlock]

The music is one of the best Trial Music ever tbh

[brisk quail]

Standing behind your squadron as they fire upon the enemy < Standing in the Line of fire to clown on anyone caught in it

[glossy hemlock]

Yeah I loved that mechanic tbh it was so hot

Sad we don’t see it in the unsynced

[brisk quail]

What really sold me on it

Was being able to deal damage to him during

It wasn't JUST dodging

[pastel venture]

oh yeah bosses you can have 100% uptime on is always nice

[glossy hemlock]

Uptime my beloved

[iron birch]

nah

fuck uptime

return to optimization strats

[gaunt star]

New server banner? Pog

[glossy hemlock]

Gin in #general-discussion made it for me lmao

[sterile galleon]

If we're lucky, we might get a teaser in July or October like with (female) Viera

Feels kinda special to realize I've been playing this game for long enough to remember pivotal moments like that

Fran's succulent ankles

[jaunty current]

What

Respectable

[reef edge]

Ok I know he did a bunch of genocide and imperialism in the past BUT counterpoint: he kinda cute.

[glossy hemlock]

Exactly

[gaunt star]

Countercounterpoint: he's a dad

[eternal storm]

Hey we all did a lil bit of genocide in the past

Nothing wrong with that

[pine spire]

The empire seemed more Mongol Empire rather than British in terms of pros and con's up until stormblood decided to ham it up, then they back stepped to ww1 Germany preeeettttty fast for endwalker. So >.> I don't see a problem.

Like early game text was less "hate on other races" of stormblood and more "fuck primals and your shitty constantly at war city states and mad kings."

[glossy hemlock]

A daddy.

[gaunt star]

[jaunty current]

Tbh most pre wol city states were pretty shitty to deal with

[granite nimbus]

Does... the genocide of every sapient non-human race in Eorzea not bother you?

[pulsar current]

bro i've seen the onceler fandom there is no level of evil that will stop simping

[rain onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/746531908619599904/1057242485988020265/image0.jpg

[jaunty current]

Isnt that what the city states did

[glossy hemlock]

LMAO

[rain onyx]

Literally none of the city-states did genocide of any scale.

Did they have conflicts with the native tribes? Yes

[tawny relic]

"I could fix her but what's wrong with her is honestly hotter"

[ivory wolf]

Ul’Dah kinda wiped Sil’Dah off the map with a zombie plague, but that was significantly before current day

[tawny relic]

Pretty sure that the worst that the city-states did is when Ul'dah exiled all the races that weren't human enough (besides Hrothgars) because of business competition

[rain onyx]

Oops yeah, kinda forgot about that one.

[pine spire]

That is what the Eorzea city states were hot for. Sure did love the genocide. And look at Isgard. Literal Catholisim levels of hateful murder. The mad king starved his people and thrust them into an impoverishment that realistically wouldn't be easily fixed for a good century. but wol is can only aok with them

[tawny relic]

Killing Leveva's father for daring to suggest that astrology can be used for something besides predicting enemy movements

[pine spire]

gridania was suuuper racist if you start there as a lancer. I still hate the lancer guild lead. Like. fuck that guy and his whole guild.

He was in the Valentino event once and I was so mad.lol just fuming because he doesn't deserve love or happiness.

[reef edge]

I think this is just repeating Solus's arguments from 4.X. "Your country's past sins justifies our country's current transgressions" just never really tracked with me, and it blows my mind that both the world leaders in 4.X and the twins in 6.0 were dumbstruck by this argument.

It's like whataboutism but trying to be coy about it

[pine spire]

"past" transgressions are pretty freaking current though.

Like. the time bubble messes with it, but our entire gameplay is only a few years of time according to in game mentions.

[tawny relic]

That was Archer with the racist guy

[pine spire]

Oh yeah! I remember. and we were supposed to be like "Nah buddy, we've got your back" I just wanted to shoot him.

[tawny relic]

Lancer was just about not backing down in the face of something that fightens you

[granite nimbus]

Well, it's more than that. It's about what defines courage in and of itself.

Cast out by the Lancers' Guild, Foulques pursued what he thought was courage by throwing himself into deadly situations with scarcely a plan to get out other than stabbing his way out.

[reef edge]

Gridania is probably the least justifiable of the city states: Limsa and Ul'dah are both making active strides in reducing their injustices and owning up to past sins. Gridania just simps for the elementals.

[granite nimbus]

To the point of purposefully handicapping himself in an attempt to chase away his fears through sheer strength.

But the Lancers' Guild's courage is both bravery and composure in equal measure.

[tawny relic]

Wait until you find out about the way they handle executions

[granite nimbus]

Foulques floundered when he ran into an opponent he couldn't kill.

[tawny relic]

IIRC, Limsa and Ul'dah just behead you these days

[pine spire]

Well the "baddie" was the baddy because he was so impoverished due to being on the lowest strung of Gridania caste because he was a duswight. So he and some other guild members stole some money. for food. but felt bad and tried to convince everyone to give back the money

[tawny relic]

Gridania?

[granite nimbus]

Panicking into a mess of limbs whereas WoL took the Lancers' Guild's lessons to heart and stared death in the eye while calmly preparing for a retreat.

[tawny relic]

You're tossed into a Coil

[pine spire]

But the fucking cowards blamed him entirely. and he was kicked from the guild.

[granite nimbus]

That wasn't Ywain's fault though

[reef edge]

Yeah that was definitely a fumbled storyline. Especially given how themes of second chances and redemption are prevalent everywhere else in the story. Homeboy just ends that arc by yeeting himself off a cliff.

[inner halo]

Foulques fell and learned about his background story

Me: My fellow lancers, we need to talk.

[flint iron]

Nah the elf in archer quest is more racist

[granite nimbus]

Potentially, but Foulques also murdered several lancers and Wood Wailers.

[flint iron]

Thing happen with foulques was before ywain

[granite nimbus]

And the way he died is emblematic of the Lancer quests' themes.

Instead of learning, he doubled down on recklessness and resolve over composure and reason.

[flint iron]

Like he only know about it after we tell him in lv 30 quest

[granite nimbus]

And when he ran out of the first two, he had none of the latter two to get him out of this situation and he panicked.

Resulting in him not having the reason to realize that his back was to a sheer cliff, ending in his doom.

[empty walrus]

That's a thing I love about FF 14. It isn't black and white, the issues have multiple layers to them.

[granite nimbus]

What set Foulques down his path was regrettable.

But he had every chance to turn around, but instead doubled down and became even more monstrous than the people who framed him.

[flint iron]

All of gridania related quest isn't black and white

Like the 2 moon cat sister in moogle delivery quest

[tawny relic]

Not even White Mage?

[flint iron]

White mage is elitists

As it finest

[granite nimbus]

Well, the 30-60 WHM quests are discussing the isolation of Gridania and its resistance to changing traditions

The Padjals are chosen by the elementals to be their voices and gifted with incredible aetheric potential.

[empty walrus]

Make the Elementals grow the fuck up

[granite nimbus]

A-Ruhn's insistence on it being three Padjals is, from a certain perspective, understandable, as all modern white mages are Padjals.

[reef edge]

The elementals suck ass. Would love a gridania storyline where we tell them to shove it and then try to fix problems partially caused by them

[granite nimbus]

There hasn't been a properly trained non-Padjal white mage since Amdapor outside of an emergency like the Battle of Carteneau.

[granite nimbus]

But... the elementals are Gridania. Gridania exists by their will.

You can't tell them to shove it.

Its their land.

[tawny relic]

It'd be very difficult to excise them

[granite nimbus]

And it'd be wrong to excise them even if it were possible.

[tawny relic]

Practically impossible, honestly

[reef edge]

Just pick up gridania and move it somewhere else then

[pine spire]

the elementals kinda let gridania exist in the forest. they suck, but it's their forest.

[empty walrus]

Technically it was Adampor's land until them and Mhach fucked things up

[granite nimbus]

Elementals were there first, Gilly.

[tawny relic]

You would, at most, be able to make them learn how humanity thinks

[pine spire]

Gridanian drank the elemental kolaid and are fine sacrificing children to be immortal child translators to the whims of the wood. So I doubt their ever likely to leave.

[granite nimbus]

The Endwalker Role Quests are all about strengthening the ties between the people and the elementals so it's not just the Padjals and Hearers interpreting their will.

[granite nimbus]

...They're not sacrificed, what?

[pine spire]

They are. They can't leave. they can't grow up. they can't choose their own path. that is a living sacrifice.

[empty walrus]

Children are chosen by the Elementals they weren't given up lol

[reef edge]

I think they mean sacrificed in the sense that they give up their free will, not like literally killed

[tawny relic]

They can grow up, even if they don't physically age

[pine spire]

I'm not complaining. I love the elementals. But half of what I love is how awful it is.

[granite nimbus]

They can grow up, they can go outside of the Twelveswood and do stuff and learn things.

[reef edge]

Again, gets back to the point of "Elementals own the land but are complete dicks about it"

[granite nimbus]

But they also sworn by duty and tradition to protect the Twelveswood.

And Padjal have gone on to lead fulfilling and meaningful lives.

A-Towa Cant was a freaking adventurer of sorts who righted wrongs throughout Eorzea.

[empty walrus]

That and A-Rhun literally went on a pilgrimage after the events of WHM quests

[teal salmon]

The Elementals can also revoke your Padjali horns

[granite nimbus]

And they have free will. They don't lose their minds or personalities or anything.

And yes, the elementals can revoke your Padjali horns.

[reef edge]

There are definite social repercussions for failing your Padjali duties, however. As far as I recall you just can't say "no" if chosen, at least not without consequences.

[pine spire]

They can only leave for short periods though. And they are literally taken from their families. And good luck finding an adult relationship when you physically look 12.

[winged lagoon]

The EW tank quests are literally about a padjal who had his status revoked and went on to lead a normal life

[empty walrus]

That assumes you can't still grow. The only Padjal we see have their horns taken away was still a child, which shows they moreso age and then hit a freezing point.

[pine spire]

Senna even has a whole part of her story where she talks about hating being a padjal and how she misses her family.

[smoky ingot]

Well, until he fell to despair and turned into a blasphemy

[teal salmon]

Padjal do age physically

[smoky ingot]

I wouldn’t say his life was completely normal

[teal salmon]

Kan-E is a good example

[pine spire]

They do not. She is using a glamour

[empty walrus]

Source?

[pine spire]

gimme a sec I'll pull it up.

[teal salmon]

The EW tank role quest

[tawny relic]

Yeah, she uses a glamour to look her age

[teal salmon]

No, it was said she “makes herself up”, not that she uses a glamour

[empty walrus]

IOW- Makeup

[reef edge]

Makeup ain't gonna make you grow a foot though. Yes, Koji never said the word "glamour" explicitly but I think it can be surmised.

She does not look like a 12 year old in makeup

[reef edge]

God this game has many good husbandos

[pine spire]

ok dun popped but her art is so freaking cute. why can't we have ginger Kan-e-Senna??

[somber storm]

Squid stick and yakisoba

[iron scaffold]

Beach episode already?

[flint iron]

This art was few year old

[pine spire]

Kay here
https://youtu.be/M_kVS46AfIs?t=2588

He says it quite clearly. They stop aging at about 10/11

physically

and she makes herself look older

You can't just slap on make up and appear a good 2 feet taller than the other 10 year olds.

[clever flume]

you've never seen beauty pageants have you

also there are plenty of ways to make yourself look taller

[chilly bluff]

Kan-E is two padjal in a trench coat

[somber storm]

It's all moogles

Unless the Elementals decide to take her horns and then slap them back on for her to age up

[torpid yoke]

You underestimate make up

[worldly roost]

dang, Kan-E is an eternal kid
a dream for some, and a nightmare for others

[clever flume]

[worldly roost]

still better than being a lala though

[rain onyx]

[torpid yoke]

I mean who wouldn't wanna be young forever

[iron scaffold]

wait, physically how old was she when she stop aging?

[granite nimbus]

Tweens or early teens.

[viral dew]

[torpid yoke]

Wa

[chilly bluff]

[iron scaffold]

ok....next subject

[sleek latch]

Look if you want eternally hot characters to thirst over the Viera are right over there

anyone looking at Kan E that way.....

No

[pine spire]

10 or 11

All Padjal stop at 10/11

[pine spire]

heck yeah. My headcanon puts my character at 150. so...early 20s lmao

[torpid yoke]

[chilly bluff]

If their upper limit is 300-ish, 150 would be their midlife crisis lol

[flint iron]

Viera life span is around 500 i think

[tawny relic]

300 is correct

[iron scaffold]

400+ at best but 300 is the average life span to most Viera

[pine epoch]

a elezen can live at around 120. We are told Viera that they can live x 3 that number in Fanow

So Viera are long lived

compared to most mortals

[pine spire]

I though eleven lived to about 200 and Viera live 3 times longer than that. oh well.

[pine epoch]

no elves in 14 don't have extended life like they do in most media

[chilly bluff]

Most spoken races top out at around 100. Elezen is that +20-ish.

[tawny relic]

Nah, Elezen lifespans are only slightly longer than that of the non-Viera races

[pine epoch]

they get like an extra 20 or so years vs humans

[sleek latch]

Mmhm and to drive home the point one of the Viera in the Qitana quests specifically remembers the Ronkan Empire and their two species interacting

[late aurora]

Then viera are just in their own class

[chilly bluff]

Padjal and Bangaa are 200+. Viera are 300+.

[iron scaffold]

first Azure Dragoon

[pine spire]

Time to rework his age again. man. My character was so much easier when he was a Miqo'te and not the wol at all. Stupid wonderful ShB making me Want to be the wold.

[tawny relic]

Be the WoL's friend on Discord

[sleek latch]

Haha my bun is 56/57 (depending on how long you say the MSQ takes chronologically)

[chilly bluff]

Less than a year so far.

[pine spire]

There is text in game that says otherwise.

[chilly bluff]

!faq timebubble

[lusty shadow]

How much time has passed in the story?

Final Fantasy XIV's story is contained in what's referred to as a ''time bubble.'' This means that calendar time does not move forward—no matter how far you are in the MSQ, you will still be told that the Calamity was 5 years ago, and the characters have not been shown to age.
Developer Michael-Christopher Koji Fox (Localisation Direction and World Lore Creation) compares the scenario to a television show like the Simpsons: over 30 years on TV, and Bart Simpson's still ten years old.

''You mean the whole story took less than one year? That's impossible!''
The time bubble primarily exists as a contrivance so that the devs can avoid having to update the open world and minor quests to reflect time passing and child characters aging, etc., not to be a limitation.
Feel free to ''headcanon'' the story to have taken however long it feels to you.

N.B. as characters' ages are not shown as having changed during the story, characters who were minors at the beginning of the story are still considered minors of the same age. Please keep this in mind when discussing such characters.

[sleek latch]

Was just gonna link that haha

I like the idea of it being roughly a year and a half, feels long enough for all that to happen but not long ebough that the twins would age much

[flint iron]

Defeat gaius stop dragon war liberated 2 country save the universe

1 year

[torpid yoke]

Text that implies it's less than a year is nashu ew Hildebrand

[flint iron]

[chilly bluff]

By my count it should be about two years. But, yeah, word of god says less than one and that's what we've got.

[silk cape]

My source is I made it the fuck up

[sleek latch]

lmao

[tawny relic]

I think someone's gone through and tallied up all the canon time passages and it's added up to about 2 years?

[gaunt star]

is there a chance zero is the 13ths reflection of the mc (source WoL)?

[tawny relic]

!lsearch less than a year

[lusty shadow]

Error!

No lore found for less than a year Kupo!

[tawny relic]

Fuck

What was Nashu's line about it in EW Hildibrand?

[iron scaffold]

More likely Zenos the WoL imo

[pallid girder]

a good chance, I'd say. She wouldnt be front and center of the 6.3 poster without good reason

[tawny relic]

"Feels like it's been forever! But definitely less than a year"

[torpid yoke]

She's important to the void story

[flint iron]

I only remember the ship trip from limsa to kugane is 1 month or something

[torpid yoke]

I can name several

[teal salmon]

he still died

[silk cape]

The notion of the different reflections having reflections of particular characters (i.e. Gerolt and Grenoldt, Rowena and Mowen) is more a gag than anything else.

[pallid girder]

Gerolt needs help for his alcholism, seriously. He admits he's forced to help with Manderville relic weapons because he's broke...again.

[chilly bluff]

Normally two months but Carvallain has a magitek engine in his boat. Making it somewhat believable that it could be faster.

[flint iron]

Imagine 7.0 start after a time skip

[gaunt star]

well cause ardbert is the firsts of us right since him and the titicular toon are strikingly resembled in aether and appearance and zero is a female hyur but her composition is different cause she was twisted by the dark so idk if she could be identified to resemble us at all anymore

[flint iron]

[torpid yoke]

5.0 is a week

[silk cape]

The only serious instance is Ardbert being a fragment of Azem, just as the WoL is the Source's reincarnation of Azem. And even then, that's a metatextual reference to Ardbert using Meteor/Hiroshi's appearance, which in turn is only there to act as the placeholder for the player character.

[gaunt star]

ohh i see

[empty walrus]

That and if Zero was a Reflection something would have been said already

[teal salmon]

why couldn't Zero be a Reflection?

[pallid girder]

but in ShB we didnt know Ardbert was Azem shard until later, no?

[torpid yoke]

She could

[teal salmon]

every being on the Thirteenth is a Reflection still

[sleek latch]

Mmhm I don't think they'd throw another Azem shard

I don't think it'd add anything to Zero's character and could maybe cheapen Ardbert

[silk cape]

She COULD, but it would be a bit silly if she was.

[torpid yoke]

She's a reflection of someone more than likely

[pallid girder]

But a reflection of who?

[empty walrus]

There was a lot of foreshadowing going on as whenever his ghost touched us, something happened.

[torpid yoke]

She could also be a new soul created after the sundering

[iron scaffold]

Zenos most likely

[empty walrus]

Did we know that he was our Reflection, no. However it was clear something was going to happen.

[silk cape]

Like I JUST explained about how reflections aren't really a serious thing, but we're still going on like they are

[gaunt star]

that would be interesting cause im curious how zenos called out to her specifically from the void out of everyone what if he searched for his shard counterpart and plucked her from that filtering 🤔

jk im dumb

[tawny relic]

It's a neat little nod when it happens, but characters' reflections are still their own characters

Chai-Nuzz isn't just literally Cid

[gaunt star]

LOL

[empty walrus]

Also it wasn't Zenos who picked out Zero. It was Fandaniel.

[gaunt star]

true

[tawny relic]

And yes Dulia-Chai isn't just literally Nero

[pallid girder]

good god

[pine spire]

We know we have other shards out there. So we know ardbert isn't special in that regard. just special to Us the character.
I don't think I'd mind if Zero was Azem's 13th shard, but it doesn't seem like it. Does make me wonder what form azem's shard Did take though.

some generic imp? lol

[pallid girder]

If it's Golbez somehow...

swooshes cape

[pine spire]

Swoooooosh

[pallid girder]

wol (pld) and golbez have a swooshing cape contest

[subtle pasture]

How many storylines of “shards are still their own people” are y’all gonna need

[pallid girder]

all of them

because they all need to merge with us and become one

[silk cape]

https://tenor.com/view/moana-delete-maui-delete-this-gif-15101621

[pine spire]

Heh. Rejoining

[subtle pasture]

I can’t find the gif of Khloe with a gun

[gaunt star]

picture this now we go to every world and gather up all the reflections of WoL then merge then do the gigachad face

[tawny relic]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy14-ff14-khloe-final-fantasy-shoot-gif-17522726

[empty walrus]

As they've been doing stuff to reference FF 4, it won't surprise me if Golbez is related to us as the "Main character" as Golbez was Cecil's brother. Or. Golbez is related to Zero as HER being the "main character" of the 13th.

[pallid girder]

we do the soul segs thing lahabrea and his wife did while our scion friends watch on in horror

[subtle pasture]

We’ll never gonna have a fully merged WoL because that’d mean Varis would be right,

And the game would end there on the spot

[pine spire]

that would be delightfully hypocritical of us. And this game sure does like making us hypocrites. so Let the azem rejoining commence!

[iron scaffold]

The issue with Zero being WoL reflection means she's going to end up getting rejoin to WoL just like Ardbert and poof off.

[chilly bluff]

Which reminds me I need to get started on my Resundering fanfic

[crystal arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/growth-profit-grofit-corpus-ambulas-gif-15630541

[pallid girder]

I still detest Varis for demolishing everyone's opinions at the discussion table in Stormblood

[torpid yoke]

When were we hypocrites

[empty walrus]

Why detest? Varis was fucking based.

And right.

[pallid girder]

yeah but does she need to rejoin though?

[subtle pasture]

The moment the game lets Varis have a W the Hells will freeze over

[rain onyx]

You mean his -200 IQ plan of just listening to the ascians until we're strong enough to beat them by letting them commit more genocides?

[pine spire]

Nah. Ardbert was already dead. and rejoined us to save us. No reason for us to rejoin her.

[tawny relic]

He didn't even demolish them, TBH

[iron scaffold]

and then he got cut down because he would have trigger the 8th calamity

[empty walrus]

No, about how the Eorzean Alliance think they're saints compared to Garlemald.

[subtle pasture]

But yeah, Ardbert’s Rejoining is fine because he’s been dead over a century (from his perspective),

[chilly bluff]

He just did the "yet you partake in society" meme and didn't really contribute all that much.

[pallid girder]

eorzean alliance def not saints, they all have skeletons in their closet

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, he cherry-picked moments where the leaders themselves would have already admit they were weak in,

[empty walrus]

And by doing that we've had some VERY significant developments among the City-States. Just look at the Beast Tribes.

[iron scaffold]

same can be said about Zero, she died multiple times

[subtle pasture]

Thats not because of Varis, though

[pine spire]

but is currently alive. and again, no reason for rejoining.

[tawny relic]

These were things that they were already trying to get put into effect

[torpid yoke]

And wanted to die

Permenatly

[tawny relic]

Like how Nanamo was trying to put more power in the hands of Ul'dah's people, but that got delayed because of Teledji's fantastic plan

[subtle pasture]

So Zero can rejoin once she’s had a fulfilling arc and assuredly tragic death,

But I’m certainly not pining for any more Rejoinjngs

[empty walrus]

Agreed

We can save our next Shard adventure for 7.0's post patch stuff

[chilly bluff]

I think it would be cooler if our void self was Diabolos

[tawny relic]

So super dead?

[subtle pasture]

Worst case Zero actually was just a one arc companion and her gonening is the big shocker of 6.4/6.5

[tawny relic]

God please don't be another Moen

[empty walrus]

Diabolos is "dead" possibly

[tawny relic]

He got Nullstoned

[empty walrus]

With how Voidsent work with multiple beings in one

[iron scaffold]

I'm placing my gil on Golbez being Wol Shard then Zero

[pallid girder]

Imagine calling out "Hey, Theodore Harvey!"

[pine spire]

I just want to adventure with my 13th shard buddies. I just need one more and we have a dun party.

[subtle pasture]

I’d be fine with that but I’d still really hate the precedence of… implying WoL’s future arc is just killing more reflections of themselves

[pallid girder]

i think the writers would be aware

and avoid such repeats

[pine epoch]

I want the shard of us in the void to be a villain. I just think it be funny to see a "Evil us"

[chilly bluff]

See this is why I say Diabolos

[pine epoch]

Which is why I disagree with Zero is our shard all the way back when she was first introduced as Zenos avatar

[subtle pasture]

I think I’d really love a pseudo-curveball like it being Rubicante or something

[pine epoch]

GOD THAT BE SO FUN

[subtle pasture]

A villain but not the big one

[pine spire]

Imp. Just a lame ass imp

[empty walrus]

Can't wait for Rubicante 6.3 trial (jk)

[pine spire]

cannon fodder imp

[chilly bluff]

Then again I kind of dislike that they cursed us with this knowledge that our shards could be out there. Now that they've played the card once, it'll plague us until the game finally dies.

[tawny relic]

Papa Gruff

[iron scaffold]

better that then offing potential party members that made that only have limited time to exist because plot progress

[subtle pasture]

I’d say Zero corruption arc but they already did that with Estinien

[pine epoch]

But ya I personally hope the topic of our shards don't really come up since that arc has kind of ended. And I can only really think of the only way to do the wol shard arc again would be to twist it into being a villain we must fight

[subtle pasture]

it’s been long enough since HW they could repeat it

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/golbez-super-paper-mario-final-fantasy-ff4-final-fantasy4-gif-24727132

[torpid yoke]

Let the shards rest

[subtle pasture]

As always, character Reflections aren’t needed and Rejoinings kill, reincarnation is best when subtle/symbolic and doesn’t take away character agency

[torpid yoke]

[pallid girder]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/77/Rubicante_from_FFIV_GBA_animated_battle_sprite.gif/revision/latest?cb=20210919021109

[iron scaffold]

tell that to Golbez

[pallid girder]

i wonder what rubicante's body design gonna look like in ff14 when he thrust aside his cape

[subtle pasture]

It’s your body, same size, but with his giant boss model head anyways

[pallid girder]

oh lordy

[subtle pasture]

And he breaks his back like Asahi speaking to lalafells

[pine epoch]

https://youtu.be/6DgEyVqXWSc?t=136 Inb4 Vrtra plays the role of Edge in this story and he gets into a big fight with Rubicante showing off that rage isn't a weakness.

[iron scaffold]

how? what if he's like 5 Lalafells under the cape

[pallid girder]

funnily i barely used those skills in ff4 ds. All i remember was using...throw, i think.

[pine epoch]

we also get a new remix of battle with the four fiends this patch

So I'm excited to hear how it will be different vs barbariccias

[iron scaffold]

Before their was Naruto, their was Edge

[tight marlin]

It's funny how edge got so madge he learned water and lightning ninjutsu

And all he had before was fire

[pallid girder]

and using it against cloaked rubicante

good thing his waifu rydia brought him back in line

[granite nimbus]

Edge's ninjutsu was just... really weak.

There's no real reason to use them over Rydia's Black Magic.

[pallid girder]

agreed, throw is more of his bread and butter

i just stockpile fuma shurikens

im jelly of rydia because she is a SMN + BLM at the same time

and has a whip

[pine spire]

Ooh I wonder what a whip job would be like.

what are we missing? shared gear for monk? Whip melee with and acrobatic flair?

[chilly bluff]

NIN is the only job with exclusive gear. Sort of.

[pine spire]

Nin. Ty I get the two mixed up, gear wise because those 2 and Sam are the only ones haven't really touched yet

[somber storm]

Sword whip

New scouting job when

[pine spire]

I have like...idk 15 in Rogue? I know I skipped Pug on this character because I was still annoyed about being forced to level some of it on my original. And I keep meaning to go back and pick it up

since my silly siren alt became my serious main a few years back

Sword Whip! That sounds fun!

Like Seiryu's Spine but not a great sword maybe?

[pine epoch]

Almost all the classic FF jobs are covered for in FF14

all thats really missing is Chemist(War crime job) and beastmaster

[pallid girder]

beastmaster so we can capture pokemon pls

[pine epoch]

FF11 Job Artwork

This is also why beastmaster in FF is a axe user

[pine spire]

beastmaster, if we ever get it, would probably be a limited job like Blue mage.

[late aurora]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/5/58/FFE_Beast_Master.png/revision/latest?cb=20140925091436

[pine spire]

Chemist might be fun. Something that could lean on Garlean magitech and Eorzean alchemy?

[flint iron]

With how janky pet is

I don't have high hope for beast master

[crystal arrow]

eh

[flint iron]

I have enough of ghosting with old smn

[crystal arrow]

pets arent as janky as they were in shb

[flint iron]

[pine spire]

carby and friends are so well behaved now days.

Remember yelling at Garuda to please. Just. stop wandering off.

Please. Please use your special.

[chilly bluff]

No

[pine spire]

Garuda .../sob...why...

[dim sigil]

Need green mage and chocobo knigh4

[pine spire]

dot mage's return via green mage?

[silk cape]

fuck dot mages

[pine spire]

hahhaha. I liked it. Summoner was so fun when everything balance on the edge of a rotation. and messing up a tiny bit was like dying. Just. awful.

I like it better now, as a super easy super fun job.

But I liked it then too

same with drg. but I guess that's why I've stuck with them so long.

[flint iron]

Smn right now is a true smn

[pine spire]

absolutelu

[flint iron]

Old smn is ruin mage

X dot

[pine spire]

Smn has never been so Summoner

I love it to death.

I loved it before. I love it now. The summons feel so grand, finally

[flint iron]

But it also butcher smn lore

Primal aether is so corrupted you need to make it egi

And can only have 3

Now you just casually summon ifrit to cast hellfire

[pine spire]

We have gained So Much Aether my friend. So much.

[flint iron]

Like nobody business

[chilly bluff]

Until EE3 drops to clarify what’s happening, our best guess for why that is comes from an offhand comment during the job reveal stream pre-EW. 90 SMN puts the Egi juice into the Carby gems and it makes them big.

[pine spire]

I just assumed that as we gained more aether, we increased the power of our egi, and with more experience in using them, we were able to create more detailed egi.

[torpid yoke]

The elemental primals?

Those are demi primals

You go into different trances

So rn smn is trance mage

[dim sigil]

I hope it tells where we got our shotgun

[torpid yoke]

We made it

Ew smn is accurate to the lore set before

There was only a limit on egis

[chilly bluff]

Trance and Demi summons are our workaround for the hard limit we have on Egis. As for why Egis become more like the actual primal they’re based on, it’s still not explained but that comment mentioned earlier is the closest we have to an explanation. Expecting EE3 to elaborate but we’ll see when that releases.

[torpid yoke]

I don't think we ever got a explanation before

But it does follow the same process as demi baha and phoenix in shb

[chilly bluff]

Yeah it’s still consistent

[pine spire]

yep

[torpid yoke]

Still wonder why they changed FBT to 80

Nvm, I know why

But yea, nother pet job plskthx

[next gulch]

Non-tempering primal summons are also a thing in EW MSQ.

[granite nimbus]

Emerald Garuda, Ruby Ifrit, and Topaz Titan are just more advanced egis though.

They're still essentially primal-flavored carbuncles (hence why they're still named after gems rather than Demi-X).

They aren't primals with consciousness.

It speaks more to WoL's skill that they've devised a method of producing egis almost identical to the primals themselves on the surface.

But they're still egis.

[crystal arrow]

where

the primals that we do fight in ew all temper

except hydaelyn

[torpid yoke]

they mean the loporitts summoning the primals

[flint iron]

Probably the one wherw loporith tell you primal don't temper by default

It's a code add in by ascian

[worldly roost]

yep the loporitts taught the beast tribes how to summon without being tempered

[mortal barn]

I wonder if non-tempering Garuda is less batshit crazy than tempering one 🤔

[late aurora]

She’s still racist against non birds so no

[somber storm]

Tfw the lopporrits fixed the coding

[pallid girder]

speaking of smn

sometimes planning mobility around irfit phase

[brisk quail]

It's

they don't temper on their own, unless it's like really fucking big which then maaaaybe (wink wink nudge nidge hydalen and zodiark) but if you just don't be a dick while summoning then they're chill

[frigid isle]

should i camp out near a summoning bell when 6.3 releases lol

i wanna be hella rich 🤑

[torpid yoke]

what would you be selling

[next gulch]

Hundreds of materia

[torpid yoke]

but its not a raid patch

6.4 is

[chilly bluff]

Unless you're selling crafting/gathering materia

In which case that's still kind of an iffy market

[lusty isle]

Does anyone have the link for the Hunt / Special fate tracker?

[frigid isle]

Astronomy mats

i’ve been accumulating a lot of astronomy mats but had nothing to spend them on

[analog hemlock]

Faloop

[frigid isle]

And I was told they could be a good investment

[torpid yoke]

i guess maybe if they're the mats for tinctures

though that still wouldnt be as big till the next raid patch

[chilly bluff]

Yeah try to completely cap the weekly tomes by the time the next raid tier patch comes out so you can flip new tome mats

Which would be 6.4

[torpid yoke]

Though if they delay savage again that market gonna suffer a lil

[frigid isle]

Wait arent the astronomy mats gonna be used to craft the new gear for 6.3

[chilly bluff]

The new crafted sets in 6.3 are for crafters and gatherers. They'll probably use new gathering node stuff

6.4 will be the next set of crafted combat gear.

[frigid isle]

Yeah i know but i was told ast mats will be used to craft them 🤔

[pulsar yacht]

https://faloop.app/

[whole lance]

zodiark didnt

[torpid yoke]

He can

[tired kettle]

didn’t he temper the remaining ancients to want the old world back

[stuck roost]

More like he did because that's what ancient wanted

[shut oyster]

The way I see it, is that they wanted the remaining ancients to go with their plan without opposition so they coded in tempering

[tawny relic]

||He tempered the Convocation by accident when he was summoned||

[crystal arrow]

zodiark can and did temper

[tawny relic]

IIRC, Zodiark's tempering wasn't an intentional thing, and was just a side effect of the sheer amount of aether flowing through him

[gleaming rampart]

Primal tempering changed from expac to expac. It depends on the primal and who summoned it

[crystal arrow]

no it doesnt

primal tempering has remained the same.

[gleaming rampart]

If that's so when why weren't everyone around Ysayle immediately tempered when she transformed into Shiva? Or how Alphinaud and Estinien were present before Ravana and he didn't temper them?

[crystal arrow]

because they just didn't want to

ysayle didn't want to temper us

[gleaming rampart]

In Stormblood Laks had to individually target people for tempering rather than some big instant wave attack

[silk cape]

The loporrits talked about tempering as a bug in the code re: primal summoning, and it's left ambiguous whether the Ascians recognized that bug as a feature or not. And since the Ascians are the ones who taught everyone summoning, that tempering bug was inherited. Whereas using creation magic to summon primals didn't have that bug.

[crystal arrow]

nor anyone, i don't believe.

Ravana also just wanted a good fight.

[chilly bluff]

We sometimes meme that the Ascians taught people how to summon but they taught them wrong on purpose as a joke.

[silk cape]

The loporrits ALSO explained that Zodiark would probably temper folks passively simply because of how massive he was. Which implies that other primals, by virtue of not being as massive as Zodiark, wouldn't have the capacity to temper passively and would have to put effort into it.

[crystal arrow]

besides a few examples of primals who Just Didnt Want to Temper

tempering works the same way

[torpid yoke]

There's active tempering and passive iirc

[crystal arrow]

ramuh, shiva, susano, ravana

[subtle pasture]

Tempering at its simplest is corruption due to exposure to a primal's aether, it's not that Tempering has shifted over time, we've just seen different types of this corruption, varying largely by strength and intent of the primal in question

[gleaming rampart]

I think it definitely also depends who summons them. Zodiark was summoned as a shield to protect the Ancients and isn't actively malicious and demanding of worship. Compared to the Beast tribes who summoned their primals to wage war/protect them but they have a limited understanding so Ifrit/Garuda/etc are bestial and hostile to everything and act as the beast tribes would think they act

[subtle pasture]

IE, the Lunar Primals didn't lack the ability to Temper, they were invoked to guard the Towers, rather than accrue followers and feed themselves,

[crystal arrow]

that doesnt change it, no.

[subtle pasture]

instead, the Towers themselves radiated the enthrallment we consider typical of a primal

[crystal arrow]

because the ascians specifically taught tribes to summon primals in a way that included tempering

livingway confirmed that

[subtle pasture]

Well, aye, intent of their summoning I should say,

as this influences the intent of the primal itself,

the Ascian-led Beast Tribe summonings vs Lunar Primals as main examples

[crystal arrow]

lunars were basically like

tempered primals

[gleaming rampart]

Yeah I remember ARR HW dialogue that the intent of the summoning mattered too

[crystal arrow]

meant to be aether batteries

[silk cape]

Were the Lunar Primals summoned by the beast tribes? Or were they summoned by Fandaniel?

[subtle pasture]

Aye, since the main body of the dominant aether was Anima's and the tower network itself

[tawny relic]

The perception of who they're summoning also plays into the personality of the primals.

[subtle pasture]

therefore, each Lunar was tempered and subservient to Anima

[crystal arrow]

they were forcibly summoned by tribes

who were forced to do so by anima

[torpid yoke]

summoned by the captured beast tribes by fandaial by the towers

[tawny relic]

It's very messy, because the process of creation magic itself is messy. It's why the Ancients made concept crystals

[gleaming rampart]

Fandaniel and his enthralled Garleans captured the beast tribes and put them in the tower and they through the tower summoned the Lunar Primals

[subtle pasture]

Then there's Seraph Auracite which has a degree of will of its own,

[silk cape]

goddammit auracite

[subtle pasture]

that is, to draw in people to wish upon it and manifest a Lucavi

[silk cape]

THE HEART OF SABIK

[crystal arrow]

but that is just uh

ultima auracite

yeah

at least

seemingly just hers

[subtle pasture]

an extension of the High Seraph, and not dissimilar to the system behind Anima and the Lunars, I'd say

[crystal arrow]

lucavi still just

make no sense to me

[silk cape]

Yeah, white auracite doesn't have the same property, and black auracite (ie the Heart) doeesn't seem to either.

[crystal arrow]

except as primals that are self-tempering

[subtle pasture]

a better comparison point would prob be Eureka and its Armaments,

but point bein' there's a lot of shared principles 'tween all these

[silk cape]

Something something, Matsuno wanted Odin/Zantetsuken to be a Eureka primal but there wasn't... time? Or something?

[subtle pasture]

Zantetsuken is Eurekan in origin,

he wanted Save the Queen to be as well

but, uh, gestures vaguely

[crystal arrow]

I SWEAR

[subtle pasture]

yeah.

[crystal arrow]

THEY BETTER TIE STQ INTO EUREKA ORTHOS

SHAKES FIST

its a perfect opportunity

[subtle pasture]

big mood

[crystal arrow]

man

[subtle pasture]

I hope Orthos has the project that bridges the auracite research and the eureka research, I suppose

which is something I've speculated on

[crystal arrow]

what if the final boss in the mini-dalamud is an artificial eureka

[silk cape]

eurekacite

[subtle pasture]

Seruphreka

bc what we can assume,

is Ivalician Auracite Research predated Eureka research,

because Save the Queen was smithed and stolen in the first few centuries of the Third Astral.

[crystal arrow]

i mean what if eureka was originally found by allag under the crystal tower, and that was why it was originally built there. or something.

[subtle pasture]

which is odd bc this is early, early Aetherochemistry,

[crystal arrow]

i feel like it's so long ago they could hand wave it as information being muddled over time or something

[subtle pasture]

Pre-Omega even, I believe

[silk cape]

Oh and remember that we have synthetic auracite used to autopilot the Weapons, where combat data from Garlean generals was used to override and assert control of the pilot and the Weapon as a whole. So synthetic auracite imposing its will on the wielder kinda echoes how Eurekan primals and Save the Queen worked, with some differences.

[subtle pasture]

It echoes the mnemonic impressions behind a Lucavi, to be precise,

which reminds me, how the shade of Nevembya that's the first Save the Queen primal we see,

really fits all the categories

[crystal arrow]

maybe gilbrisbert supplied them with some auracite

[silk cape]

Like, it's virtual primals of Gaius, Regula, and Nael and then... Alphonse sub Zenos?

simulated primals. Simuprimals.

[subtle pasture]

Engineered primals, which tbf, makes them nearer to Neo-Trigger Weapons

Well, given what the Ultima Weapon's purpose was,

[empty walrus]

I wouldn't count Alphonse as that was Overmind not Oversoul

[subtle pasture]

they just add in a governing mnemonic imprint

Overmind contained every bit of data of the Weapons project, namely each and every mind sacrificed and copied into the memory core.

It's why it had heavy, heavy limiters in place

The first broken limiter is Alphonse himself with Allie's tear, followed by the limiters on the data of the other children and weapons, which is how Alphonse wields their techniques in the Cloud Deck,

then it breaks the limiters on all the sacrificed so they can watch Valens get popped

Its adamantine armor purge is prob another limiter,

And, notably, he seemingly never dabbles into the Legatii combat data

[silk cape]

... aside, I'm never gonna forget the part where the Sorrow of Werlyt where Gaius was like "at least she died quickly" and Cid spends like three whole dialog boxes going into detail about how Millie Bobbi Brown's death was exceedingly agonizing

Like, it's one of the moments that really sold for me that they didn't do a strong enough editing pass for Cid's character in that questchain because Cid seemed almost gleeful about twisting the knife on Gaius

[tight marlin]

Cid: fuck you for what happened in ARR

[pulsar current]

I just read that as “this is what the empire does Gaius, I KNOW what that shot was”

[granite nimbus]

In fairness, Cid isn't going to sugarcoat it for the man who tried to take over Eorzea and nuke large chunks of it with the power of primals.

[viscid monolith]

Or maybe the writers did do multiple editing passes and decided he wasn't blood thirsty enough

[wind bough]

That seemed very in character to me

“Don’t try to escape or rationalise your way out of your responsibility for this”

Cid was one of Gaius’s kids too and sees exactly how messed up the whole relationship is

That’s the point

[granite nimbus]

Yep.

[subtle pasture]

“At least it was painless,”

“You mean after her body was horrifically merged with the synthetic auracite, feeling bit by bit as her mind is taken over and replaced by a digital ghost of the monstrous person who brought on the Seventh Umbral Calamity? Yeah, after that she didn’t feel a thing.”

Rinse repeat while Ricon’s remains are in the floating Sapphire Weapon and Rex who specifically became an amalgam of his father.

[granite nimbus]

I don't doubt that Gaius loves his kids.

But he also manipulated them to follow him as part of his ambitions and taught them his "might makes right" philosophy that led to the restoration of the Ultima Weapon. This in turn led to Valens' WEAPON project that doomed Milisandia, Ricon, Rex, and Alphonse.

[wind bough]

He should not be shielded from the cold reality of what his kids are going through thanks to the ideology he taught them

Cid is right to be brutally honest

[pastel venture]

huh? I missed this, did gaius raise Cid?

[granite nimbus]

Gaius took in Cid following Midas's death in the Bozja Incident.

[pastel venture]

oh huh

at what age was Cid then?

[wind bough]

19 or a bit younger

[silk cape]

Gaius as Cid's mentor after Midas bit it is a bit different compared to Gaius raising a bunch of orphans from pre-teenhood. Which isn't to say there's a LOT of difference between the two, but some shade.

[wind bough]

Cid wasn’t quite as impressionable which is why he eventually got outta there

[silk cape]

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Cid might look to Gaius as a senior and a mentor, but he HAD a dad (even if Midas was demonstrably a shitty dad) while the WEAPON kids really didn't.

[iron scaffold]

how many years has it been since the Bozja incident?

[pulsar current]

Same as 2.0, so…. 20?

[wind bough]

15. Same year as Silvertear Skies, 1562

[crystal arrow]

[iron scaffold]

and how many years since Werlyt incident

[wind bough]

Everything went down that year

Which incident?

[silk cape]

Gaius: "By the end, Midas wanted to wash his hands of the whole affair"
Cid: "But he didn't do SHIT, what are you even on about"
Gaius: "Join me, Cid, take your father's place at my side."
Cid: "So I can not do SHIT about what the Empire is doing? Hard pass, G van B."

(if FF7 Cid was FF14 Cid)

[crystal arrow]

did you mean the invasion of werlyt or

[iron scaffold]

yes

[chilly bluff]

The invasion of Werlyt was 5 years before Silvertear no?

[wind bough]

Don’t think we have a date for Werlyt specifically, but all of Ilsabard was conquered by 1522

So at least 55 years ago

[tawny relic]

I don't think that's foul enough to be FF7 Cid.

[wind bough]

That was Ala Mhigo

[iron scaffold]

could have been around that time just with Bozja and silvertear happen during that year.

[wind bough]

^

[winged lagoon]

Didn't Gaius conquer Werlyt though

[wind bough]

Werlyt was conquered at least 55 years ago, we know that

He put down rebellions

[crystal arrow]

but emerald weapon w/ his data recreated the invasion of werlyt didnt it

https://i.imgur.com/bAzpEQk.png

[granite nimbus]

55 years?

I'm pretty sure that's too long.

[wind bough]

1522 all of Ilsabard is unified under Garlean rule

Current year = 1577

Looks like they might have messed up the timeline

[granite nimbus]

Gaius would be a baby.

[wind bough]

Oh Odaaaa

[iron scaffold]

no that's you

[crystal arrow]

rommy's timeline says werlyt was conquered in 1557

[wind bough]

Thats a retcon then

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/benedict-cumberbatch-oh-oh-finally-gif-13944538

[wind bough]

From the lorebook: 1522 The whole of Ilsabard is unified under Garlean rule.

Werlyt is solidly within Ilsabard

They been retconning behind our back all along

[pastel venture]

[unreal hound]

90s kid homer simpson

[wind bough]

1557 is the same year Ala Mhigo was annexed.

And Werlyt is like on the way there

[iron scaffold]

same came be said about outer rims and the unknown regions in StarWars during the Empire Reign

[wind bough]

1557 is 5 years later than Doma

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/aaronpaul-aaron-paul-cry-crying-gif-7621646

[wind bough]

Yeah this is all a bit fudgy

I never really realised Sorrow of Werlyt had a timeline retcon but it’s obvious in hindsight

[tawny relic]

They forgor

Or we write it off as "this was the information we had at the time, and it came from a questionable source" since EEs are written in-universe

[wind bough]

We’ve probably talked about this in lore before but I forgor

[brisk quail]

GODDAMN LORE ACCURATE LORE INNACURACIES

[frigid isle]

what will happen to astonomy tomes when 6.4 releases

[wind bough]

Removed, leftover ones exchangeable for causality at a rate of 4:1

Causality itself will be uncapped and a new capped tomestone will be introduced

I got them the right way around right?

[chilly bluff]

Yeah lol

[frigid isle]

so anythng that involves astronomy will now be bouight with poetics?

[pulsar current]

nope

either nuts or casuality

[chilly bluff]

Won’t be moved to poetics until next expansion

[wind bough]

The gear will go to hunt nut vendors

Only the final two tomestone sets of an expansion go to poetics

First 3 go to hunt currency

[winged lagoon]

First two

There's only four tomestone sets per expac

[wind bough]

U rite

[rain onyx]

https://twitter.com/hope_incarnate/status/1608255605382299648?s=61&t=WMh7wNuibGLpWSJ2Abkwlg

Midgardsormr’s #1 Fan (@Hope_incarnate)

When the alliance raid comes out lets not kid ourselves here fellas, 99% of yall will have to look at Nophica from the back to hit your little positionals, only I will have to stare at her big naturals as a main tank and im gay, it is wasted on me

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[pulsar current]

me standing right next to the main tank on mch:

[glossy hemlock]

Hey as a gay man as well… Breasts are still veryyyy nice.

[glossy hemlock]

Hey if you stand close enough you’ll have time to floor tank as well once the tank buster goes off.

[pulsar current]

it wouldnt be the first time i've takin a TB as MCH

did you know the emerald normal has a tb at the start of p2?

[glossy hemlock]

Yeah

[pulsar current]

my off tank sure didn't

[glossy hemlock]

LOL

[iron scaffold]

Me MT on Patch Day:

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-raiden-senator-armstrong-moneyintr-gif-15988527

[teal salmon]

do you think Althyk will have any custom lines for Legacy WoL's?

[carmine basin]

https://twitter.com/ladylawga/status/1608201863798874112

SIREN (@ladylawga)

can u imagine an Ishgardian underground black market circulating raunchy art featuring Halone exposing her ankle

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[brisk quail]

Breasts are cool, but thighs are better

[silk cape]

ynne here stakin a claim on ABSOLUTE TERRITORY

[ruby marsh]

new datamined quest in 6.3 to do the alliance raid and take many screenshots of halone

[somber storm]

Thankfully there is no artist job for the WoL

yet

[pulsar current]

they made the mmo mouse for a reason

[steady fiber]

Thinking bout that kimono tataru will give us

[shut oyster]

I'm already expecting the worst, is gonna be a voke war between tanks day 1 huh

[quasi cargo]

Mom said it's my turn for the front view

[pallid girder]

imagine if it was woven from stuff taken from four lords

a feather from suzaku, scales from seiryu, fur from byakkko...

[steady fiber]

Bruh thatd be siiiiiick

And considering the tataru quest chain has been revisiting certain plots from each expansion then that is p likely

[pallid girder]

the four lords all want you for themselves, so it'd be appropiate

[steady fiber]

Pipin from arr, the pirates from hw

[dim sigil]

And who applied the tattoo

[steady fiber]

Soroban?

[worldly roost]

wonder where we'll go next for the Tataru sidequest after visiting the Far East? Perhaps we'll visit the Lexentale family and their theater company next (or maybe we'll be seeing them while we're in Kugane)? Either that, or maybe Tataru will have us deliver a parcel of outfits to the First as a gift.

[rain onyx]

I think if they stick to 8-man/24-man/trials, then definitely the lexentales next

since we closed up Omega's story in his little quest chain

[silk cape]

6.15 started it with characters in the starting cities. 6.2 linked up with the Alliance raid series from Heavensward. 6.3 is going to do the Four Lords content from Stormblood.

If they were going to maintain this pattern, 6.4 would be about Tataru trying to make a trade connection on the First... or I guess Bozja, yeah.

[tired kettle]

i don't think there necessarily has to be a pattern for this content

it's just generally "optional content"

[silk cape]

Except the 6.15 stuff wasn't about optional content. You're interacting with key NPCs and your starting innkeepers in Gridania, Limsa and Ul'dah.

The part where the second part was in Heavensward content and the third is in Stormblood content is what makes it a pattern. Obviously they don't need to stay married to it, but three out of potentially five data points is kinda telling.

[pine epoch]

Or wyrlet

Gaius and his daughter start a trade deal to help wyrlet economy using Tataru

[silk cape]

Yeah, Werlyt is certainly an option.

[pine spire]

The Heavensward part involves our friendo Leofard, wasn't he optional content? I loved his storyline but I can't remember if it started in msq or was entirely optional...

[pulsar current]

HW raids do be optional

[pine spire]

I would love to see Tataru expanding her empire -cough- I mean trade routes to the first.

But on the other hand, sticking to people she's interacted with even a little bit, in order to finish our gift to her would feel more meaningful

[torpid yoke]

She can try but the first is wols territory

[silk cape]

Hell, the reason I started pondering the pattern was to determine if Tataru opening trade with the First would have been a function of "well, since Y'shtola cracked inter-shard travel, I want to crack inter-shard COMMERCE, LET'S FUCKIN GO"

[pine spire]

Shtola hasn't cracked it yet, but I would Love to take Krile and Tataru on a tour of the stuff they missed out on when we went to the first

[pine epoch]

it be funny... if 6.4 requires nier automata and were just setting up trade with the dwarves for the Nier machines to take back to Tataru

[pine spire]

lmao

[rain onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/nier-become-as-gods-nier-automata-gif-20635227

Tataru going to lead a robot revolution

[silk cape]

Yoshida in here like "do all of the optional content, we'll give you new shit"

[pine epoch]

6.4 gives us Nier themed weapons from Tataru

[rain onyx]

They certainly aren’t disappointing with the 6.3 glamour

[torpid yoke]

We'll see

[rain onyx]

Especially if it’s dyeable

[pine epoch]

hopefully if its dyeable it dyes well

[pine spire]

I mean, all the optional content was fantastic fun. so I'm all for incentives to return to it

[pine epoch]

I mean I'm totally fine with the black yukata

[pine spire]

It would be really neat if the flowers of the tattoo changed with dying the outfit.

[smoky ingot]

I think 6.4 goes Werlyt and 6.5 is everyone coming together for Tataru’s heirloom

[pine spire]

That sounds like a good plan.

[glossy hemlock]

They won’t give Gaius screen time smh

[chilly bluff]

But if it does happen we will witness Shrimp’s heart explode

[glossy hemlock]

I just love him so much

[vital brook]

Man I just want these shoes

[bright gazelle]

doesn't look very practical

[somber storm]

But goth girl

[dim sigil]

Do we even have high heel glam I can't recall any

[teal salmon]

2B boots

[somber storm]

Man, the one thing I'm gonna hate about the heavensturn set is that the high collar will clip with the long hair

[pine epoch]

shes also not you know real

Its a Doll

that floats

But also I need it for the goth that lives in me

[torpid yoke]

soon you'll have that fit and the knee high chuck taylors

[somber storm]

we can make her real

[vital brook]

2boots, viera racial shoes

[iron scaffold]

we haven't seen all of 6.3 glamour.......or furniture

[somber storm]

Dungeon gear

And raid

Yoshi-P showed us the white papers

[iron scaffold]

how many white papers and were thy pin?

[somber storm]

#translations-and-liveletters

I think it's missing a few

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/chihayafuru-chihaya-ayase-huh-surprised-anime-gif-16480323

it's actually here!!!

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-anya-sparkling-eyes-anime-gif-25175073

[somber storm]

As a mount

[late aurora]

Is that like…the ff4 airship?

I feel like it’s carrying Edward’s dumb hovercraft

[somber storm]

Ye

No wait, I think it's FF6

[late aurora]

You right, it’s the blackjack

[tawny relic]

Any time we get heels, it doesn't make our characters taller

[dim sigil]

Pain

[tawny relic]

Your legs shrink

[pine epoch]

the airship is the Blackjack from FF6

Which makes sense

because the goldsaucer has Setzer clothes

So putting setzers airship in the gold saucer makes sense

Depending if its a 1 seater or a multiseater probably will determine its cost

[late aurora]

Oh it’s a mgp mount

[pine epoch]

it looks like the shape of the lunar whale so I wouldn't be surprised if its millions of mgp

like 2 or 3 mil

[chilly bluff]

That you can't see the player character sticks out to me. Small possibility that it could be multi-seater?

[torpid yoke]

its possible

a free multiseater that isnt seasonal would be new i think

[somber storm]

3 seat mount when?

[glossy hemlock]

Is there gonna be another live letter before patch I forgot

[pine epoch]

no

2 live letters per patch

we just had the 2nd

[weary yoke]

next stream is patch note reading

[glossy hemlock]

Oh that was the second?

I guess I missed the first lol

[pine epoch]

We have multiple 2 seaters in game, but no free 4 seaters or higher unless you count regalia when it is available during the 15 event

[wind bough]

Skyslipper from E4S is a 4-seater

So is Cerberus from Delubrum savage

[steady fiber]

an extra seat per head?

[wind bough]

[rain onyx]

I think the mouths carry the passengers?

Like the death claw mount

[steady fiber]

lol

[sleek kestrel]

I have the mount but I haven’t tested it with multiple ppl yet

[torpid yoke]

you ride on top of the heads iirc

[rain onyx]

Lame

[pine epoch]

Oh ya I forgot laps of memory

Skyslipper and the goodest boy Cerb

[steady fiber]

i think the alte roite should at least be a two seater

[next gulch]

Speaking of which, 8-player mount with visible passengers would be nice...

[gilded wigeon]

that's an mgp mount ye?

[rain onyx]

The only 8-person mount is the Lunar Whale, which hides player models since you go inside the mount.

[pine epoch]

Blackjack

its the new airship mount coming

[primal basalt]

setzer’s airship

time will tell if it has a casino on it

[steady fiber]

ayo we gettin blackjack?

we got any pics revealed or was it just namedropped?

[pine epoch]

From the live letter

I still think it be fun to have a airship mount that you can make with a fc workshop

multiseater

[primal basalt]

just have the fc pitch in to buy the lunar whale

[steady fiber]

wish we could see a mini us riding on the deck but that's cool

[somber storm]

Blackjack and hookers

[loud merlin]

will the next weapon enhance quests be in 6.35?

[rain onyx]

if you mean the manderville weapons, yes

[elfin latch]

They really need to make more multiple seaters avaiable without the need to expend actual money to get it.

[flint iron]

E4s mount, cagalia

[elfin latch]

Got the bozja bike instead. Not even trying to raid on crystal.
Though this now could change with DC Travel when I get back at the game.
(I guess unsync runs are a alternative but i'm not really a fan of that)

[flint iron]

With 90 gear e4s die in like 1 min

[elfin latch]

1 min wtf, With a party right?

[flint iron]

8 man unsync

[elfin latch]

ah gotcha

[late aurora]

Yeah you 100% can’t solo 80 EXs/savage

[winged lagoon]

Yet

[torn igloo]

idk didn't someone solo a 90 savage

[iron birch]

normal

[pulsar yacht]

p2n i believe (as warrior) or whatever is the obligatory sewer boss

I havn't solo'ed but I can confirm war can hard carry even when literally everyone is dead as a doorknob

[torpid yoke]

p1n

[granite nimbus]

P1N's damage is so infrequent relative to other raid bosses that people solo'd. It just took a LONG time.

[oak pike]

I should work on how many bosses I can solo in shb now

[flint iron]

Definitely not titania

[torpid yoke]

probably none

[crystal arrow]

balance found this guy as being credited for golbez's va https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3516054/

gonna listen to him

[lavish flame]

anywhere i can read the patch/nerf of the clases in 6.3?

[pulsar current]

They aren’t up

[lavish flame]

alright ty, any speculations? 😄

[pulsar current]

Not really

[crystal arrow]

[torpid yoke]

pld change compltely

[crystal arrow]

pld is deadge

[torpid yoke]

lime

[crystal arrow]

yes

[torpid yoke]

https://www.thevoiceagency.co.uk/games-actors

lil bit down

[crystal arrow]

yeah

thats him

damb

[obtuse trout]

Mmm lime green good color

[kindred marsh]

Was sheltron underpower?

[torpid yoke]

Sheltron doesnt work against bleeds iirc

[chilly bluff]

Yeah Sheltron just bumps block rate which doesn't mitigate against dots.

Now it'll be a flat mit

[crystal arrow]

which just made pld suffer

[gaunt star]

Maybe veil will finally apply to the PLD too

[torpid yoke]

good joke

[winged lagoon]

Holy Sheltron does have a 15% damage reduction, but compared to Bloodwhetting (10%+10%+400 pot shield) or Heart of Corundum (15%+15%) it's a ways behind on pure tankbuster survivability.

[reef edge]

Just playing slow PLD while it lasts, trying to enjoy the happy chemicals

[torpid yoke]

you'll get better happy chemicals after the rework

[reef edge]

Look at this beauty

It's perfect

GNB 2.0 just won't be the same

[gaunt star]

PLD, the job where every patch the rotation changes

[oak pike]

I like paladin

Slow paladin is nice

[high heath]

Please don't use that word to refer to things negatively, it's not cool

[iron birch]

No, that's smn

[oak pike]

My bad

I should’ve used a different word

[gaunt star]

Every patch SMN is a new job /s

[oak pike]

But yeah gotta suck to play paladin for colors on fflogs

[iron birch]

Gotta suck to play pld in general

[gaunt star]

It sucks big time especially for this tier

[oak pike]

I like paladin gameplay when I don’t focus on logs

[gaunt star]

Ye

PLD is fun until you try and do good dps

[silk cape]

well there's your problem
fuck logs

[iron birch]

Yes, but actually no

[gaunt star]

Logs are fine but some people make it their entire gameplay

And that's when it gets crazy

[oak pike]

I’m still in the stance of fflogs ranks is unhealthy for the game

[gaunt star]

Oh it 100% is

[oak pike]

Especially if folks use it to fuel their complaints

[iron birch]

It exists as an useful helpful tools

[oak pike]

Individual score for a team base game

[iron birch]

and also can be useful to back some claims

[torpid yoke]

its a good tool

[gaunt star]

The second someone uses logs as reasons to bitch then you can just tune that person out