#archived-player-vs-player | Final Fantasy XIV | Page 12

leaden bane Feb 23, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Frontlines is what your'e most likely going to get pops in, so I'd start there and read up a bit on the rules on the official pages

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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/contentsguide/frontline/5/ for Onsal Hakair, which is what you're most likely going to end up in
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/astrologian/#pvp The astrologian pvp job guide, which details the tooltips and what does what

lunar briar Feb 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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I am also wondering how balanced it is, are there any classes I should avoid?

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Woah, over 30 minutes to get intona training match

leaden bane Feb 23, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Generally in a frontlines environment there's nothing that's particularly bad, SCH is generally a job I'd recommend newer players not go into PVP on just because of how significantly different it is, everything else is pretty much fine though

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Feast training isn't too likely to pop right now, unfortunately - Typically the pvp community will organize days to try and get 4v4 training to pop

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This is dependent on your datacenter, though

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AST is an easy to recommend healer for PVP, as is WHM. Keep in mind that in PVP it's almost the opposite of PVE - You want to primarily focus on healing because of how much damage can come from the enemy team.

Frontlines is typically recommended for first-time PVPers since it's larger scale and usually more laid-back versus Feast and you can get a more general feel for things

lunar briar Feb 23, 2020, 7:32 AM

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I just have that anxiety

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Like when I dipped my toes in DOTA

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Where I do something wrong and everyone is really mad at me

leaden bane Feb 23, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Oh, for sure, that's pretty common for first-time players. Only way to shake it is to dive in and just practice, everybody starts somewhere. It's also why I'd recommend frontlines over feast to get started, because while it's significantly more busy, it's a better environment to just get an idea of what to expect first before diving into a 4v4 environment, where there can definitely be higher expectations.

If you check out the pins, there's a few videos from Brian Ricardo who does a lot of newbie friendly videos and links to a few discords for more specific resources to help you get on your feet. It's different and definitely a love-hate thing - you'll either like it or you won't, but it's something that's worth giving a shot.

lunar briar Feb 23, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Its just like fighting games

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Im just playing Street Fighter for the first time

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More than 30 minutes on the frontline roulette

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Whoof

leaden bane Feb 23, 2020, 7:39 AM

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Yeah, unfortunately it being week 1 of a new raid tier, PVP tends to slow down quite a bit, but pops do happen. Might be a bit on the late side right now, though.

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Also, queues are generally pretty dependent on what prime time is for your datacenter - Pops are much more likely around 4PM-10PM for the datacenter's local time, give or take a few hours to account for timezones

lunar briar Feb 23, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Ofc thats my work time lol

leaden bane Feb 23, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Oof, yeah. They made a change a while back, frontlines used to be able to pop with as few as 24 players total but they made it so it's 72 players and it really hurt off-hours queue times. Hope they shift it back at some point, folks who work night shifts really get screwed over by it.

lunar briar Feb 23, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Maybe getting to play will be more frustrating than actually playinf

dense steeple Feb 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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PvP is fun enough but it's a mess and you can basically forget about the win rewards

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Revival Wings is a good way of playing RW though, and RW is IMO the best mode

restive lark Feb 24, 2020, 5:26 PM

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📎 unknown-19.png

normal tinsel Feb 25, 2020, 2:52 AM

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LaughNow

serene apex Feb 25, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Do you think this game would have more active PvP if there was one game mode that didn’t equalize everyone, and allowed the tryhards to show off their gear?

restive lark Feb 25, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Thatd make it more dead lmao

remote merlin Feb 25, 2020, 5:42 PM

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PvP beyond saving at this point with the current direction

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It's just there it's what it is, that's all it will ever be since 2.0

devout harbor Feb 25, 2020, 10:55 PM

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wait for 6.1

carmine plank Feb 25, 2020, 11:03 PM

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gear and levels not mattering is 1 of the 2 best things about ffxiv pvp. the other being able to job switch easily.

devout harbor Feb 26, 2020, 10:26 AM

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People don't miss gear and levels they miss the feeling of progression. Which should be made into a different system. Right now, the ones that exists are not good.

restive lark Feb 26, 2020, 4:58 PM

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re-add pvp ranks giving pvp exclusive abilities with choice of a talent tree of sorts

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Destroys alting for high elo feast and rewards everyone for just pvping easy hire me se

normal tinsel Feb 26, 2020, 5:14 PM

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shib

normal tinsel Feb 26, 2020, 6:28 PM

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pvp is fun

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everyone should get some friends and try it

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DontThinkDrink

restive lark Feb 26, 2020, 7:07 PM

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It's also fun to be mocked by the community

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Isnt that right inu-chan

normal tinsel Feb 26, 2020, 8:10 PM

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LaughNow

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i do indeed have ill-feelings towards it but I do know there are cool people in the community that are cool and still talk to

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smile

restive lark Feb 26, 2020, 9:27 PM

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🙂

remote merlin Feb 27, 2020, 2:36 AM

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I wish I had friends in the community but hard to make them without access to the biggest part of the community

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KC_TwylaSad

restive lark Feb 27, 2020, 4:10 AM

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weeding out is easy its okay

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🙂

normal tinsel Feb 27, 2020, 4:15 AM

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i can invite you to the cool kids of crystal

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discord

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🙂

serene apex Feb 27, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Which PvP mode is the most popular?
I have frontlines, wolves den, and rival wings unlocked.

upbeat lotus Feb 27, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Frontlines is the most accessible.

dense steeple Feb 28, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Frontlines is the only kind that gets any kind of consistent play if the community isn't making a concerted effort to revive something else because it's the only one with a roulette

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not that 24/7 ~~de_dust2~~ Onsal Hakair is a roulette

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I guess Feast gets played for a couple of weeks after a new season starts, then people sit on their rating

restive lark Feb 28, 2020, 1:12 AM

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GWowoSmug

dense steeple Feb 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

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anyone know why they shifted how points are calculated and the totals for OH?

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It's honestly more fun when kills are a bigger part of the equation but shifting it to 1600 max and decreasing point shifts for kills put it more in favor of objectives

normal tinsel Feb 28, 2020, 2:36 AM

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TWO GAMES BACK TO BACK ON CRYSTAL

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QUE FEAST

dense steeple Feb 29, 2020, 1:27 AM

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that'll never happen again

devout harbor Feb 29, 2020, 3:37 AM

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We meme on inu because crystal but he's doing more for pvp than most

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Soon crystal = elemental

upbeat lotus Feb 29, 2020, 8:25 AM

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I concur, we have some active Crystal members that promote active training queues and custom matches. Even if it's considered a weak data center, we have community-minded individuals who want to see growth despite the overall opinion of PvP.

dense steeple Feb 29, 2020, 12:28 PM

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Honestly I feel like just putting more than one damn map in the roulette would help

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Do y'all macro nascent flash? I use the typical target party #2 macro for PvE but it doesn't work well in PvP because people don't like to stick together and love to be too far away, out of LOS etc

leaden bane Feb 29, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Can't speak for Nascent, but feast is one of the places in XIV where macros are outright recommended as preferable due to how important it is to be able to put abilities like that on the correct target. The Blackest Night, for example, is generally used with single button macros to cast it on your teammates without having to deal with switching targets off of enemies. Nascent is likely in the same boat.

What's generally recommended is that for anything you macro for use in PVP is to have it repeat the /pvpac line as many times as possible due to how they work.

carmine plank Feb 29, 2020, 10:41 PM

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In feast i would definitely do what simon said and have a separate nacent macro for each party member. In FL I manually target for it cause people split up too much and i don't want 7 nacent flash macros ._.

upbeat lotus Feb 29, 2020, 10:49 PM

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For the icon, do the same /macroicon (/micon) command but end it with pvpaction

normal tinsel Mar 1, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Crystal Feast Que times

Ranged: less than 5mins

Melee: 27mins

Tank: less than 5mins

Healer: less than 5mins

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Crystal is now popping

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que up!

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If you're a beginner in feast and willing to learn, make sure to hit the pinned msgs to join pvppaissa!

normal tinsel Mar 1, 2020, 4:53 AM

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CURRENTLY TWO GAMES IN PROGRESS

dense steeple Mar 1, 2020, 7:19 AM

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What do you mean "how they work" Simon? Why would I need the action command multiple times?

devout harbor Mar 1, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Sometimes you can press it and the game will straight out ignore your macro

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So putting it multiple times is equivalent to spamming the button

dense steeple Mar 1, 2020, 7:58 PM

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lovely. Does that apply to PvE macros too? Sometimes I wonder if NF is being stubborn in dungeons

normal tinsel Mar 2, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Crystal is popping

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Ranged: 10mins

Melee: 6mins

Tank: 8mins

Healer: 20mins

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que up feast training!

leaden bane Mar 2, 2020, 6:27 AM

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@dense steeple Yeah, it's an issue specific to macros, regardless of whether it's PVE or PVP. You know how when you're rolling a GCD and push the next button just before the GCD is up and it automatically does the action when it can, keeping the GCD rolling? Actions called via macro don't queue in the same fashion at all, instead attempting precisely once to perform the action. If the action can be executed when the macro calls it, the action goes off. If it can't for whatever reason, due to animation/GCD lock, it won't, which is why you want the action in your macro repeated as many times as possible to raise the likelihood of your ability going off.

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Sorry for the ping.

spiral brook Mar 2, 2020, 6:34 AM

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!faq gcdmacro

surreal tokenBOT Mar 2, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Error!

No tag named gcdmacro exists, Kupo!

spiral brook Mar 2, 2020, 6:34 AM

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!faq macrogcd

surreal tokenBOT Mar 2, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Why You Shouldn't Macro GCDs

Info

https://twitter.com/krk969/status/1128330814339424262?s=21

devout harbor Mar 2, 2020, 8:13 AM

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^except in pvp, where you don't have predictible damage coming out a lot of the time.

Using a macro is much faster than manually highlighting a player and then pressing the tbn/bene/protect/repost/ect unless you're a machine that can do it faster than the delay in gcd rolling

dense steeple Mar 3, 2020, 12:46 AM

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I dunno if something has caused it but OH has become a lot more even-teamed this past week

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almost every game has all three teams mostly neck and neck

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like a month ago it was practically always something like 1600/1200/400

dense steeple Mar 3, 2020, 1:48 AM

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man I said something positive about PvP so of course my next game has to be absolute shit

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if they're going to have nodes be super RNG and have the map be so small you can't just ignore a team camping your spawn then they better nerf the shit out of battle hunger

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adders fed the shit out of mael for the first 5 mins so they had a ton of BH5's then RNGesus handed 2 free rank S's to adders while mael was camping us

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we were even with mael all game despite that and then lost 3rd by nearly 1000 points due to battle hunger being extremely OP and RNG handing adders 400 points

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like we got most of the points in the early game, but mael was still within ~100 of us

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that's how fucking hard adders fed them

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or maybe they could make BH increase the amount of points lost and gained when you kill someone with BH 4-5

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there needs to be some kind of comeback mechanic that isn't just hoping RNGesus hands you a few hundred free points

normal tinsel Mar 3, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Melee: 8mins

Ranged: 5mins

Healer: 8mins

Tank: less than 5mins

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Crystal is popping!

dense steeple Mar 3, 2020, 3:21 AM

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doesn't solo queue prevent you from communicating except for chat commands?

spiral brook Mar 3, 2020, 3:24 AM

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No, only the feast stops you from using normal chat

dense steeple Mar 3, 2020, 4:21 AM

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right, he's referring to feast

normal tinsel Mar 3, 2020, 5:18 AM

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solo que indeed has chat restrictions

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custom or LP you're not

dense steeple Mar 3, 2020, 1:42 PM

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That just seems weird. If they're worried about toxic assholes why do they allow open chat in FL?

normal tinsel Mar 3, 2020, 4:42 PM

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i agree

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it makes no sense

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just add a mute feature like so many games have lol

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only being able to communicate with quick chats is just limiting overrall for a gamemode centered around working as a team

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would be helpful if a teammate had a macro to announce they have stun or silence ready like in LP or custom games in feast

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and to even tell new players to pick up medals and follow countdowns

normal tinsel Mar 4, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Crystal is popping
Ranged: 11mins

Tank: 12mins

Melee: More than 30mins (will change)

Healer: 9mins

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Crystal feast is popping

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ping if you're looking to get better or learn feast

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according to players it's instant pop

normal tinsel Mar 4, 2020, 2:05 AM

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I have recently made a linkshell for new feasters who are looking to have fun and learn more about feast
ping me on discord if interested

normal tinsel Mar 4, 2020, 2:28 AM

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TWO GAMES AT THE SAME TIME

normal tinsel Mar 4, 2020, 3:19 AM

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still two games

normal tinsel Mar 5, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Crystal has just popped!

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Crystal Feast

Ranged: 9mins

Melee: 6mins

Tank: less than 5mins

Healer: less than 5mins

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que times will change!

normal tinsel Mar 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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just went through

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📎 unknown.png

normal tinsel Mar 5, 2020, 2:24 AM

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two games popped recently
que up

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if you're interested in learning feast please hit me up

normal tinsel Mar 5, 2020, 3:35 AM

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pop

normal tinsel Mar 5, 2020, 3:55 AM

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updated que times

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still popping

normal tinsel Mar 5, 2020, 4:15 AM

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TWO GAMES RN

bronze gate Mar 5, 2020, 2:52 PM

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I know pvp classes are all dumbed down

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But which are the easiest?

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For each role

dense steeple Mar 5, 2020, 3:28 PM

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WHM for healers

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Not WAR for tanks lol. Maybe PLD or GNB?

normal tinsel Mar 5, 2020, 5:11 PM

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whm, drk, sam, dnc

dense steeple Mar 5, 2020, 6:12 PM

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DRK is simpler than PLD?

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I've been playing BRD and loving it but man I suck at it

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Btw do y'all use Protect or Largess for healers, generally speaking? I miss having Protect but Largesse helps people out of your party so it seems like the better choice

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And I always have Attunement because nothing makes me laugh harder than some dickhead trying to melee ult me and do like 100 damage

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It's also a natural counter to Holmgang

normal tinsel Mar 5, 2020, 6:31 PM

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depends if you're talking about fl or feast

dense steeple Mar 5, 2020, 6:53 PM

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FL

normal tinsel Mar 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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anything can work in fl

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attunement also just puts you in an even worse position if you're already surrounded by a whole GC or literally on top of you

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you can't move or cast

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and it doesn't mitigate lbs either

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i think it's an awful additional because of these things

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you're better off watching yourself and your positioning so you don't get caught out

dense steeple Mar 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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I'm pretty sure it prevented melee ult from doing more than scratching me

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I didn't see any other buffs on me

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What optionals do you usually take if not attunement?

devout harbor Mar 5, 2020, 10:18 PM

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attunement is fat trash

dense steeple Mar 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Saves me a lot

devout harbor Mar 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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guess if it works for you it works

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personally Id that repose and protect for fls to be good

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maybe if you have a lot of melee rescue

dense steeple Mar 5, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Rescue would be always if it wasn't party limited

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Repose just gets broken in my experience 😛

carmine plank Mar 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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LB damage definitely does go through attunement

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in FL I take largesse and protect

normal tinsel Mar 6, 2020, 12:47 AM

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yeah i also run larg and protect

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for fl

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fatter heals and protect to help my tank or melee

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or myself

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repose is pretty useless in fl

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since everyone is aoeing and stopping one player isn't going to stop like 20 others

rapid pagoda Mar 6, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Is pvp as bad as fhey say?

normal tinsel Mar 6, 2020, 2:21 AM

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nope

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it's fun

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you can play it with friends and it's fun to kill people

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a lot people talk down on it because of bad experiences like losing a bunch of games or from a few bad eggs that they encountered but this happens in about every game

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but pvp is definitely fun and everyone should try it

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and try not to be against it and experience it yourself with an open mind

dense steeple Mar 6, 2020, 5:18 AM

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it's okay but it's a poorly designed mess

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it's a nice break from other things

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and wolf marks quickly become useless

remote merlin Mar 6, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Exactly it's "ok" but Don't expect something amazing, there's plenty of other MMOs with more refined PvP then this one if your looking for a amazing experience

normal tinsel Mar 7, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Crystal Feast

Ranged: 11mins

Tank: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Melee: 11mins

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Crystal feast is popping early

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que up

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check pins if you want to learn feast!

normal tinsel Mar 7, 2020, 1:32 AM

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two games at the same time

dense steeple Mar 7, 2020, 12:44 PM

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It seems so odd to be excited over two simultaneous matches. People really don't like feast huh?

normal tinsel Mar 7, 2020, 2:52 PM

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we had a lot of new people yesterday that ques yesterday

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I would say a lot of people didn’t know feast was active outside a season so they dont bother queing it

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since it’s usually dead

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but people also dont know anything about it so they would prefer to que fl or anything else

steep galleon Mar 7, 2020, 7:12 PM

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So on Aether what time should I be trying to do my daily PVP duty? I haven't done PVP before but looked at the glamour options for my favorite classes and some of those are very nice

normal tinsel Mar 7, 2020, 7:37 PM

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the daily fl roulette?

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FL pops in every DC

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i would try queing in the evening or at night

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that’s when ques pick up and become active

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@steep galleon

steep galleon Mar 7, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Alright, thanks

deep elm Mar 7, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Hey so, pvp in this game is really confusing to me and seems hard to get into, I did my first Frontline today and was just kinda running around clicking on things called "oovoo" and healing, but I just didn't understand much. Why do you have complete separate skills in pvp? What rewards are there for pvp and why should I do it? What's some cool stuff you can get for doing pvp?

spiral brook Mar 7, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Skills are completely separate in PVP to make balance easier. The main PVP rewards for non-seasonal stuff are glamour sets, hairstyles, mounts/minions, and some furniture.

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The seasonal rewards are also exclusive rewards to those who place in the top 100 for their server(?)

normal tinsel Mar 7, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Frontline is about being placed on 1 of the 3 GCs where you obtain objectives and fight the other gcs to steal their points and set them back so you and your gc have a chance to win

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Frontlines has mounts and an outfit

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you can look in the achievements window under pvp and filter out rewards, titles and mounts to see what you want

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in Feast is a 4v4 pvp which is more organized around coordinating with your team to kill players and win by having the most medals then the other team

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there is also mounts and outfits involved in feast, most you will see as a ranked season reward

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you can find them in the achievements window or on google

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@deep elm

normal tinsel Mar 8, 2020, 1:17 AM

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Crystal Feast

Ranged: less than 5mins

Melee: 6mins

Healer: less than 5mins

Tank: less than 5mins

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Crystal is now popping!

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currently a game rn

normal tinsel Mar 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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que times have been updated

normal tinsel Mar 8, 2020, 2:53 AM

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currently two gaems

heavy sand Mar 8, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Why is FL so awful.

normal tinsel Mar 8, 2020, 4:14 AM

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LOL

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what you mean?

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is it to much or what? @heavy sand

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i'm curious

dense steeple Mar 8, 2020, 4:43 AM

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I wish melee had to put actual effort into staying on top of enemies

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dashes really should be one charge on a long cooldown, smart usage of bolt should be more important

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it's practically impossible to peel dragoons and fucking monks

normal tinsel Mar 8, 2020, 5:07 AM

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they used to have shorter range before 5.0

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but their ranged got buffed so they can stick to people easier

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back in 4.x it wasn't a problem since ranged had actual cc

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mch for example with Blank used to also stun a target and not just push them away

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and Bard's repelling shot binded people

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but they got changed

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mostly for the worst

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but dmg/burst is up more often

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so the solution is to just drain them of their defensives and potions

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and they will die

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100%

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if you're thinking about playing next season i would recommend going into pinned msgs and joining Pvpaissa

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there you can receive advice and have people review your games

heavy sand Mar 8, 2020, 5:50 AM

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@normal tinsel Relying on your team for wins is not fun. I love feast, but grinding the rewards for FL hurts.

normal tinsel Mar 8, 2020, 6:06 AM

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yeah FL is annoying when you're trying to win

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but people would prefer not to fight and just let the winning team farm another team's points and gain bh

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and start snowballing

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trying to organize like 20 something people is rough

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so it's understandable

carmine plank Mar 8, 2020, 6:08 AM

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I've seen the opposite problem lately

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where my team is just constantly overextending and out of position when all oovs are taken and more are about to spawn. then your team gets wiped on the retreat and you miss out on the new oov spawns.

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too many people tunnel visioning on fighting.

dense steeple Mar 8, 2020, 6:19 AM

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I've won 8 of my past 9 games 🤷

dense steeple Mar 8, 2020, 11:12 PM

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I would say it's just luck but it seems like people are consistently at least TRYING if you are willing to give them directions

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I usually start by just linking a location for the first few node cycles and by that point we have a zerg established and it handles itself

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even when we don't have someone spamming noise macros you can usually just ask people to back off and regroup and they usually follow

normal tinsel Mar 8, 2020, 11:37 PM

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CRYSTAL FEAST IS POPPING EARLY

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TWO GAMES RN

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i will post que times soon

dense steeple Mar 9, 2020, 12:13 AM

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what's the prevailing opinion on BRD optionals, for FL?

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I liked the damage buff skill but it only applies to a couple of attacks, realistically

devout harbor Mar 9, 2020, 1:18 AM

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bind and recoup

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whats more fun is swapping one of these out for conc to land fatty apex arrows

normal tinsel Mar 9, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Crystal Feast

Ranged: 10mins

Melee: less than 5mins

Healer: less than 5mins

Tank: 5mins

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still popping!

normal tinsel Mar 9, 2020, 3:57 AM

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two games rn!

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updated que times!

neon knot Mar 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Training or Ranked
or is ranked only alive when there is a top 100 leaderboard going

devout harbor Mar 9, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Training, you're right

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Unless, when rarely, people set up to play in preseason to try and get a tier so that the next season they start higher

normal tinsel Mar 9, 2020, 6:39 AM

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yuh

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still going on into the early morning

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ques

dense steeple Mar 9, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Yeah fat apex arrows are fun but it felt too situational

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I've been running peloton because giving your entire group sprint seems really good

normal tinsel Mar 9, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Crystal Feast

Ranged: 18mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Tank: Less than 5mins

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Feast has popped on Crystal!

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Check pinned msgs to find out the basics of feast!

normal tinsel Mar 10, 2020, 1:48 AM

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que times updated!

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still popping

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TWO GAMES AGAIN

deep elm Mar 10, 2020, 2:27 AM

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What do you get from levelling up your pvp rank with pvp xp?

spiral brook Mar 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Just achievements.

deep elm Mar 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Oh, so only for those titles?

spiral brook Mar 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Yep

deep elm Mar 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Damn

spiral brook Mar 10, 2020, 2:30 AM

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They used to give points for PVP-specific actions and traits but those were removed with 4.0

dense steeple Mar 10, 2020, 3:16 AM

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OH really needs to be like a good 50% larger

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the number of games where team 1 gets a free win because the special needs kids in team 3 are basically working together with them is just stupid

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and it's guaranteed to happen because of how effing small the map is

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it's so easy for the dumbdumbs to just be wandering all over mid and basically being a speedbump for team 2 just by existing

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also because of how hilariously overpowered Limp is

normal tinsel Mar 11, 2020, 6:45 AM

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for anyone still up on Crystal

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back to back pops

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for feast

normal tinsel Mar 12, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Crystal feast is now popping!
Learn more about feast in pins!

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i will update que times once games start rolling

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game just ended

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another just started

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we're rolling now

normal tinsel Mar 12, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Crystal Feast

Ranged: 23mins

Tank: 9mins

Melee: 6mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

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que times up!

devout harbor Mar 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Crystal Feast is popping

dense steeple Mar 12, 2020, 5:47 PM

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At 11 in the morning? Weird

normal tinsel Mar 12, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Shinkle isn't on NA

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so he wouldn't know

dense steeple Mar 12, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Ahhh

dense steeple Mar 13, 2020, 12:31 AM

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I don't understand why the concept of "go where the enemy is going to go to deny or delay them capturing a point" is so difficult for people to grasp. Lost a game literally because we let team 1 get a largely uncontested node... while like 18 of our players were camping on top of an uncontested node on the other side of the map

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We lost by less than 60 points during a big fight in mid... we could have won if we hadn't given them an uncontested 100 points

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and all it required was people not be utter morons 😕

normal tinsel Mar 13, 2020, 4:01 AM

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most people like to just sit on top of nodes even though you should just leave like 4-5 people to hold and cap and the rest move on to where they are needed to be

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and also people think that nodes are more important than fighting so they just afk where they can and bother with any common sense

dense steeple Mar 13, 2020, 4:45 AM

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nodes are absolutely more important than fighting

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because nodes are how you get fights you win

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either because you pincer someone that's pushing a node

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or because you occupy a node and they have to fight into your team to take it

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both are advantageous for you

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especially if you have a group that's good at chasing

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people love leaving healers and tanks hanging out to dry when leaving an area

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and it's hard as balls for healers to rack up BH since it's almost always via +2 assists

normal tinsel Mar 16, 2020, 1:34 AM

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FEAST IS POPPING ON CRYSTAL

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will post que times soon

normal tinsel Mar 16, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Tank: Less than 5mins

Ranged: 10mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

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Feast que times1

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!

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popping back to back

normal tinsel Mar 16, 2020, 4:06 AM

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updated

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still going!

normal tinsel Mar 16, 2020, 6:25 AM

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pops still going for now

normal tinsel Mar 17, 2020, 11:42 PM

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https://puu.sh/FlN8e/d3af56438d.png

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Crystal has popped

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que up feast

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check pins to learn more about feast

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I will post que times later

dense steeple Mar 18, 2020, 12:03 AM

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you really like feast 🙂

normal tinsel Mar 18, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Ranged: less than 5mins

Melee: 5mins

Healer: less than 5mins

Tank: 7mins

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Que times for feast rn!

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feast is a fun gamemode

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and personally is hard to get bored of compared to anything else in xiv

dense steeple Mar 18, 2020, 12:12 AM

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I feel like potions would have screwed up the design and balance of feast

normal tinsel Mar 18, 2020, 12:23 AM

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yeah

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potions are perfect for FL and RW but not so much in feast

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fl/rw changes should be separate from feast

normal tinsel Mar 18, 2020, 1:12 AM

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que times updated

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we have to games going now

normal tinsel Mar 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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last update for tonight

dense steeple Mar 18, 2020, 7:53 PM

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I wish feast training games would count towards the GC warhorse 🙁

dense steeple Mar 19, 2020, 2:35 AM

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I really think they should have only B rank nodes past 10 mins in OH

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RNG is way too much of a determining factor in who wins when you can have an S rank plopped right on your doorstep

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We fought hard and basically tied the game at about 1300 each

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and then the game put an S rank right in front of our base

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which means we get it by default due to invincibility buff

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grats mael and adders, y'all fought hard and worked for those points but it doesn't matter because bad design says you lose

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a B rank would maybe give us a tiny edge but it would mean that the last ~200 points for any team have to be from either kills or substantially outmaneuvering both other teams

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and frankly those down to the wire games where the last 5-10 kills decide the order are amazing

normal tinsel Mar 19, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Feast Training

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Ranged: Less than 5mins

Tank: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

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Still active!

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just had a game

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check pins for feast related help!

normal tinsel Mar 20, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Crystal Feast is popping!

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📎 unknown.png

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will post que times soon

normal tinsel Mar 20, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Ranged: Less than 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Tank: Less than 5mins

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Que times1

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two games!

lunar briar Mar 21, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Uh, is it necessary at all to have tanks in pvp

spiral brook Mar 21, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Tanks have lots of CC to help secure kills

amber escarp Mar 21, 2020, 12:53 AM

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i play pvp basically never but can't you just cheese every mode with an army of healers lol

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i know you can cheese rival wings with healer armies

spiral brook Mar 21, 2020, 12:53 AM

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And their LB is very helpful for mitigation

lunar briar Mar 21, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Hmm

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We ended up with an alliance without a single healer

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Tank, I mean

lunar briar Mar 21, 2020, 1:22 AM

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What is pvp rank for

normal tinsel Mar 21, 2020, 1:24 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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feast has popped Crystal

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WE IN A GAME

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will post que times later

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we got our second game

normal tinsel Mar 21, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Healer: Less that 5mins

Ranged: Less tha 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Tank: Less than 5mins

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Currently a game rn!

lunar briar Mar 21, 2020, 3:59 AM

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So far I have 6 wins, 3 seconds and 3 thirds

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Feel like I'm doing good so far

normal tinsel Mar 21, 2020, 4:24 AM

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TWO GAMES AT THE SAME TIME

normal tinsel Mar 21, 2020, 4:41 AM

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updated que times

normal tinsel Mar 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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updated again

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still multiple games going

normal tinsel Mar 21, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Crystal Feast has popped!

normal tinsel Mar 22, 2020, 12:20 AM

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currently a game in progress

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I will post que times soon

normal tinsel Mar 22, 2020, 12:56 AM

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A SECOND GAME HAS JUST POPPED
Two games running currently

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Crystal Feast

Ranged: Less than 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Tank: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

normal tinsel Mar 22, 2020, 4:32 AM

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QUES ARE POPPING AGAIN
Sorry, I forgot to mention we had Crystal Scrims today
gomenosigh!!!

umbral radish Mar 22, 2020, 6:29 AM

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How should I handle actually targeting someone in frontlines. Clicking is impossible because of the masses of people and particle effects, and tabbing takes forever to get through everyone

dense steeple Mar 23, 2020, 12:29 AM

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best thing you can do is tab target. I have mine set for conal, and to target people specifically you have to finagle the camera so that only those people are in view and in the right area to be targeted

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like if I want to target a healer that's just behind the front lines you need to snap the camera down so just that healer and maybe some people in front of them are visible and then angle your camera so that you have as few people to tab through before the healer

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alternatively you can make very heavy use of focus targeting but that's a lot of work for a zerg-based mode... works great for feast

normal tinsel Mar 23, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Crystal Feast has popped again!

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will post que times soon

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for more information about Rival Wings please look in pins!

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just got another pop!

normal tinsel Mar 23, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Crystal Feast Que times
Ranged: Less than 5mins

Tank: Less than 5mins

Melee: 12mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

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Two games simultaneously!

normal tinsel Mar 23, 2020, 5:34 AM

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que times updated!

normal tinsel Mar 23, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Crystal Feast has popped again!

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really early this time

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will post que times later if it keeps going

carmine plank Mar 23, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Wow 2PM pst in a Monday. People must be really bored :D

normal tinsel Mar 23, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Qe has popped again

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will post que times soon

dense steeple Mar 24, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I think it's just that feast is so rare it popping at all is worth mentioning 🙁

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Has anyone tried direct queuing seal rock etc? It'd be nice to play literally anything that isn't OH, but I feel like no one queues for them

worthy rose Mar 24, 2020, 8:39 PM

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im mad

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normal tinsel Mar 24, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Crystal has popped again!

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will post que times if it continues to pop

normal tinsel Mar 25, 2020, 2:48 AM

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feast has popped again!

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it has popped again

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will post que times soon if we keep this going!

normal tinsel Mar 25, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Crystal Feast

Ranged: 6mins

Tank: Less than 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: 7mins

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still going

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there is a game rn

normal tinsel Mar 25, 2020, 4:32 AM

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que times updated

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currently a game rn

normal tinsel Mar 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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we now have two games!

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second game started

restive lark Mar 25, 2020, 8:32 PM

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pvp in ffxiv

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yoshifacepalm

dense steeple Mar 25, 2020, 11:16 PM

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lol @worthy rose that's why I don't like playing healers in pvp anymore

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healers are so utterly fucking USELESS at anything BUT throwing heals now

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no utility skills, no damage skills

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if your team is ass you're gonna have a bad time

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compared to DPS with tons of mobility tools and, of course, damage, and tanks with good damage and tons of utility

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hell, I'm usually in like top 3-4 healing for my team when I play WAR just by keeping NF on cooldown...

dense steeple Mar 25, 2020, 11:46 PM

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lol that last one I had more healing than some of the healers on the 2nd place team...

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Crystal has popped again!

📎 unknown.png

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 3:15 AM

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we in game

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que up Crystal

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bind this

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third game is going rn

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 3:58 AM

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back to back pops now!

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 5mins

Melee: 7mins

Healer: 7mins

Ranged: 7mins

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 5:35 AM

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still going!

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Crystal has popped again early

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Crystal Feast

Tank: Less than 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Ranged: 5mins

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Still going!

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que times updated x2

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 8:27 PM

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👌🏾

dense steeple Mar 26, 2020, 8:37 PM

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having to use shukuchi to jump 1 foot to get Shade Shift still feels weird

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Was it really necessary to combine them? 😦

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 9:57 PM

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2 games going now!

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Crystal Feast

Tank: Less than 5mins

Melee: 15mins

Healer: 7mins

Ranged: 12mins

normal tinsel Mar 26, 2020, 11:34 PM

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updated

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still two games

normal tinsel Mar 27, 2020, 1:15 AM

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updated again

normal tinsel Mar 27, 2020, 3:05 AM

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ques have slowed down but I just played two games

normal tinsel Mar 27, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Crystal feast is still popping

normal tinsel Mar 27, 2020, 4:34 AM

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que is now speeding up

normal tinsel Mar 27, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Crystal has popped again early!

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📎 unknown.png

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now in game

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popped again

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another pop

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will post que times soon

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Crystal Feast

Tank: Less than 5mins

Melee: 7mins

Healer: 5mins

Ranged: 5mins

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still popping!

normal tinsel Mar 27, 2020, 6:46 PM

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que times updated

normal tinsel Mar 27, 2020, 7:09 PM

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TWO GAMES NOW (Crystal)

normal tinsel Mar 28, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Crystal feast is popping and is picking up again!

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will post que times soon

normal tinsel Mar 28, 2020, 1:47 AM

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two games

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Crystal Feast

Tank: Less than 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Ranged: 5mins

normal tinsel Mar 28, 2020, 3:00 AM

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update que time

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games are still going

normal tinsel Mar 28, 2020, 3:58 AM

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^

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updated

normal tinsel Mar 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Crystal has popped again

📎 unknown.png

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in game

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we've had about 3 games now
will post que times soon

normal tinsel Mar 28, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 5mins

Melee: 10mins

Healer: 5mins

Ranged: 7mins

normal tinsel Mar 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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back to back pops now

normal tinsel Mar 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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updated

restive lark Mar 28, 2020, 9:03 PM

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your steam names...

normal tinsel Mar 28, 2020, 10:09 PM

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smile

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Feast has popped on Crystal!

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Crystal will be having scrims at 9pm est tonight but there will be training ques after! I will drop streams that are streaming the scrims if anyone is interested in seeing feast with commentary.

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training ques will possibly start back up after scrims which I will announce

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 1:10 AM

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https://www.twitch.tv/blackboxlx

Twitch

BlackBoxLX - Twitch

FFXIV || PvP Scrims || Crystal Best DC

▶ Play video

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Stream up!

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 1:28 AM

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http://twitch.tv/tjcrimson

Twitch

TJCrimson - Twitch

[Crystal] Custom Matches | New? Ask questions!

▶ Play video

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two different games

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Scrims are now finished and a training game has just popped!
will update que times later

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 5mins

Melee: 8mins

Healer: 5mins

Ranged: 5mins

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TWO GAMES RN

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 3:48 AM

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back to back pops

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updated

rotund seal Mar 29, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Ffxiv players. Please make pvp relevant. It's literally what makes me happy

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Crystal is still popping!

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Not on to update que times though so que up till their dead. but don't worry it will pop again tomorrow!

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 8:24 AM

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last update

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friend gave me the que times

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Crystal has popped recently!

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players in que rn

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another game!

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another pop
will update que times soon

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Crystal Feast

Tank: Less than 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Ranged: 9mins

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Que times up!

normal tinsel Mar 29, 2020, 11:26 PM

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We have two games at the same time now

normal tinsel Mar 30, 2020, 12:30 AM

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games are still going

normal tinsel Mar 30, 2020, 1:08 AM

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update

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Hey, what additional actions are good for gnb

dense steeple Mar 30, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Rampart is generally seen as a given for all tanks

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Weapon Throw is pretty mandatory IMO but it's really only amazing with WAR due to Holmgang

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but just death gripping someone 10 feet back can mean they die

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Alright, I was using the counter but I'll switch to rampart

dense steeple Mar 30, 2020, 2:23 AM

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@rotund seal nothing we can do about it man, blame SE for not giving enough of a crap to do what needs to be done. So many things they could do... FLs being 48 players instead of 72, PvP roulette actually rotating between all modes day to day, etc

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it's really hard to pass up on Rampart because it has a short cooldown and isn't reliant on server lag like Reprisal is

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Rampart+Counter is really good if you like to dive into enemy groups

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I also think that most of the achievement/wins awards should just be Wolf Marks based, and they just implement something like the folklore tokens DoL uses to unlock legendary nodes. 1000 marks buys 1 token, you need 200 tokens to buy a mount... ta-da, there's your 200 wins required

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except you still get to make progress towards the mount even if you come in dead last

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I love diving in, but I reeeeally love picking off healers

dense steeple Mar 30, 2020, 2:25 AM

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WAR is unquestionably the best tank for picking off people

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Weapon Throw + Holmgang is a guaranteed kill unless enemy healers are on the spot with dumping healing on that person

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even then it can be a way of forcing cooldowns out of enemy healers

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Alright

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I'll give WAR a try then

dense steeple Mar 30, 2020, 2:26 AM

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keep that in mind when enemy WARs are around too btw 😛

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 2:26 AM

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I play healer mostly but tank if we have too many

dense steeple Mar 30, 2020, 2:27 AM

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from what I recall, GNB and PLD are both pretty good at staying alive so Rampart+Counter and deep diving may be the way to go

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WAR Holmgang pretty much sucks as a method of staying alive, it's pretty much exclusively meant to get kills, so WARs can end up feeding hard if they try to dive enemy teams

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whereas the PLD can just Hallowed Ground and walk it off

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I'm not sure on what healers are like now... I know SCH was said to be garbage in the last patch but I think they made changes to the class. I know AST has always been decent and WHM has been OP at several points

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but I don't have any other healers unlocked so I can't say anything except about WHM. It's fine at keeping people alive, its damage is pathetic

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I hear that's about how it is for all three healers though

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 2:30 AM

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I mean I wouldnt expect a healer to hit harf

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Hard*

normal tinsel Mar 30, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 8mins

Melee: 15mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Ranged: 8mins

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Que times updated

carmine plank Mar 30, 2020, 2:52 AM

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SCH is still last place in healers for frontlines. They have a few issues but most of what bothers me is them not having good aoe to tag enemies for assists to boost battle high.

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 3:04 AM

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I forgot I don't have WAR

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DRK seems popular so I'll try it

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PvP in this game is hella fun

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Last MMO I played was Rift back in like 2014, and that had a huge pvp scene before that game died

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And PvP sucked

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I find I keep getting swarmed when I tank, not sure what to do about it

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 3:43 AM

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So when should I use tank LB

normal tinsel Mar 30, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 9mins

Melee: 11mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Ranged: 15mins

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two games at the same time

lunar briar Mar 30, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Oh

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Tanks don't lead charges?

normal tinsel Mar 30, 2020, 4:56 AM

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updated

normal tinsel Mar 30, 2020, 6:50 AM

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last update for tonight

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games are still going

manic gust Mar 30, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Hey i tried to tag for a PVP game in Springann-cerberus as a Heal for like 300 mins. Someone know if sht happen ?

normal tinsel Mar 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Crystal has popped!

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another pop!

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will post que times soon

normal tinsel Mar 30, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 8mins

Melee: 5mins

Healer: 6mins

Ranged: 13mins

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still popping

normal tinsel Mar 30, 2020, 7:36 PM

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updated

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still popping

normal tinsel Mar 31, 2020, 12:03 AM

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que has popped again!

dense steeple Mar 31, 2020, 12:18 AM

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@lunar briar if you're getting swarmed you're either diving too deep or your team isn't paying attention/sucks

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it's best to be conservative with dives

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LBs... just try to save them for a big engagement

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I'll usually pop mine in response to a ranged or caster LB since multiple people will take damage and they get debuffed to take more damage/less healing

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every tank has a group damage protection skill for less important uses

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you should use those early in a fight

normal tinsel Mar 31, 2020, 12:29 AM

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games are still going

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will update soon

dense steeple Mar 31, 2020, 12:41 AM

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we need to get your your own RSS feed or something inu 😄

normal tinsel Mar 31, 2020, 1:20 AM

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back to back pops rn

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lol yeah

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that would be cool

normal tinsel Mar 31, 2020, 2:14 AM

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I think there is a second game rn

normal tinsel Mar 31, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 5mins

Melee: 8mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Ranged: 9mins

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updated

normal tinsel Mar 31, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Feast has popped again on Crystal

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it went through

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another game started

normal tinsel Mar 31, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Will update soon
in game rn

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 23mins

Melee: 5mins

Healer: 7

Ranged: 11min

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que times in

normal tinsel Mar 31, 2020, 7:08 PM

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updated

normal tinsel Apr 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Crystal has popped

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in game

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que up!

normal tinsel Apr 1, 2020, 1:22 AM

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ingame

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another pop after that one

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will update que times soon

normal tinsel Apr 1, 2020, 1:49 AM

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two games

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Crystal Feast

Tank: Less than 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: 15mins

Ranged: 18min

normal tinsel Apr 1, 2020, 3:47 AM

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updated

normal tinsel Apr 2, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Crystal has popped again

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went through btw

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another match now

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popped again

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 11mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Ranged: Less than 5mins

normal tinsel Apr 2, 2020, 3:22 AM

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two matches rn

normal tinsel Apr 2, 2020, 6:01 AM

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updated

normal tinsel Apr 2, 2020, 9:07 AM

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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/6b9e6aa52b67d0113a9be9a7d9f7614f3e88d470

FINAL FANTASY XIV, The Lodestone

The Feast Season Fifteen Coming Soon! | FINAL FANTASY XIV, The Lode...

The Feast Season Fifteen Coming Soon!

normal tinsel Apr 2, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Feast popped recently on Crystal
people are in que

carmine plank Apr 2, 2020, 7:36 PM

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[Primal] Happy Season 15!! We only have a week, so... let's train hard in preparation! Queue up for Training Matches on Primal EVERY DAY at 8:00pm ET! Good luck, everyone!

normal tinsel Apr 2, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Crystal has popped again

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normal tinsel Apr 2, 2020, 9:04 PM

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went through

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another game popped

normal tinsel Apr 2, 2020, 9:55 PM

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back to back games rn

normal tinsel Apr 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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two games rn

carmine plank Apr 3, 2020, 12:10 AM

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First game just popped on primal

dense steeple Apr 3, 2020, 2:10 AM

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55 assists in OH as a healer

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man that game was a bloodbath

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I don't think I've hit BH5 as a healer in a long damn time

normal tinsel Apr 3, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Crystal que times updated

normal tinsel Apr 3, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Crystal Feast

Tank: 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Ranged: 25mins

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two games

carmine plank Apr 3, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Primal - Queue up again today for The Feast (Training Match) starting around 5pm PDT!

normal tinsel Apr 4, 2020, 3:17 AM

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two games

normal tinsel Apr 4, 2020, 5:53 AM

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normal tinsel Apr 5, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Crystal is scrimming again tonight

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Game 1 - https://twitch.tv/srkizer

Twitch

srkizer - Twitch

crystal scrims

▶ Play video

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Game 2 - https://www.twitch.tv/blackboxlx

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BlackBoxLX - Twitch

FFXIV || PvP Scrims || Crystal Best DC

▶ Play video

normal tinsel Apr 5, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Crystal Feast is popping rn
back to back

normal tinsel Apr 5, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Crystal Feast

Tank: Less than 5mins

Melee: Less than 5mins

Healer: Less than 5mins

Ranged: 12mins

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back to back pops

normal tinsel Apr 6, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Crystal feast has popped, will give an update soon

normal tinsel Apr 6, 2020, 1:51 AM

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Crystal Training
Tank - less than 5min
Healer - less than 5min
Melee - less than 5min
Range - 7min

normal tinsel Apr 6, 2020, 2:19 AM

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two games

normal tinsel Apr 6, 2020, 3:21 AM

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normal tinsel Apr 6, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Crystal has been popping for about an hour

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que up

dense steeple Apr 6, 2020, 11:12 PM

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do y'all think there's enough people queuing for PvP for there to be a reasonably effective MMR system for the purposes of putting FL teams together? Like just going off of pure PvP rank, which isn't really skill but just sheer time invested/games played

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Played 6 games today and almost every one of them was a stomp in one direction or another because it felt like one team was just utterly effing clueless

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I had one game end with my team at 3 points...

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and the game right before that I went 5-0-61 as a WHM and we won in something like 10.5 minutes because maelstrom fed us relentlessly

wicked wolf Apr 7, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Why do people think kills matter all that much in Frontline modes like Onsal

normal tinsel Apr 7, 2020, 1:20 AM

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dense steeple Apr 7, 2020, 1:35 AM

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They matter because a kill is +10, an assist is +2

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it's why NIN is, imo, still OP as shit

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you basically just faceroll a few early kills with Assassinate "kill secures" and then snowball BH from there

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Smite+Assassinate will quickly get to the point where you can just fold people like cheap plastic chairs when they're at like 40% lol

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I usually try to snipe kills with lilies when I play WHM because there's such a huge difference with just a couple ranks of BH

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a BH5 healer can basically tank most of a team as long as Purify is up to dispel the stun/bind etc

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unless that team has a lot of BH4's and BH5's of course

wicked wolf Apr 7, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Battle Highs don't do anything for the score

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a KILL is 8 points, period.

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"Oh they have 12 BH5's... but they're focusing the other team, lets back cap and hope they tunnel vision" They almost always tunnel vision\

normal tinsel Apr 7, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Crystal Training
Tank - less than 5mins
Healer - less than 5mins
Melee - less than 5mins
Range - 7mins

normal tinsel Apr 7, 2020, 3:22 AM

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normal tinsel Apr 7, 2020, 4:51 AM

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The Feast season will be starting after maint!

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gl to those who are participating!

quartz cypress Apr 8, 2020, 3:28 AM

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is anyone doing the new feast season? not getting any ques for pvp team

normal tinsel Apr 8, 2020, 4:36 AM

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it's solo season

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not light party season

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@quartz cypress

quartz cypress Apr 8, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Oh really?

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That makes sense

normal tinsel Apr 8, 2020, 4:36 AM

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so que this

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quartz cypress Apr 8, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Thanks for letting me know !

normal tinsel Apr 8, 2020, 4:37 AM

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np

safe harness Apr 14, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Today I learned that one should never que for frontlines late at night

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amber escarp Apr 14, 2020, 9:33 PM

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you always gotta queue during the peak time

dense steeple Apr 14, 2020, 11:57 PM

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these nodes lol

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dense steeple Apr 15, 2020, 12:33 AM

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map is WAY too goddamn small for 72 players, and RNG nodes is stupid af

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here, team in 1st place by 50 points - have 2 uncontested nodes next to your base for +200 pts

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because fuck having wins be about skill

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and the map is so tiny the 2nd place team literally cannot contest the nodes because the 3rd place team that's trailing by literally -1000 pts cannot help but function as a speed bump

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unless they somehow decide to just sit in base and do nothing

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literally every single node past 10 mins should spawn in the center line and ONLY the center line

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top center, mid, bottom center

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it's way too RNG otherwise. That, or the only nodes that spawn outside of those locations should be for the team that's in 3rd place as a catch-up mechanic... that would be pretty nice

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like here, have a free B rank to help you catch up and be competitive

safe harness Apr 15, 2020, 9:55 AM

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So what is peak time for pvp?

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I just need marks for the Raiden outfit for my sam

dense steeple Apr 15, 2020, 11:03 PM

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it will depend on your data center

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I'd guess around 5-10 PM server/datacenter time

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ugh... I want to finish my field commander's set but no one ever queues seal rock

dense steeple Apr 15, 2020, 11:23 PM

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I really, truly, genuinely hate being forced to play OH nonstop when SE did such a fucking awful job designing the map

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I swear it's like they don't play their own fucking game

carmine plank Apr 15, 2020, 11:42 PM

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I really like onsal. It has much more fighting than the other maps did.

dense steeple Apr 15, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I'd like it more if it was about 1/3 bigger

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it's WAY too small

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it would probably be just fine with 48 players though

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it's too easy for a blob of players to cover the map, and combined with how utterly fucking broken Limp status is, you can't just ride past idiots standing around in mid to go after objectives

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almost every game I have ever played in OH results in 1 team winning while the second team is effectively just a speedbump for the third... in essence, it's like two teams are intentionally working together

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it happens so often because you just straight up cannot ride past people in this game to focus on objectives

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if your team is on the right and all of the nodes are west, or a node that's important (need to deny it so top team can't get ahead/win, etc) is on the west

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you virtually cannot contest it unless the south team is basically AFK

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because you'll run into them while trying to get there and Limp prevents you from just ignoring them

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if Limp ended as soon as you dismounted maybe it wouldn't be an issue, you could just pop Bolt and try to get there

carmine plank Apr 16, 2020, 12:34 AM

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if your team is too out of position to get to a node in time to contest it, should just go and regroup in mid to be in a better position for the next spawns.

dense steeple Apr 16, 2020, 2:58 AM

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except that doesn't solve it

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node spawns west. It's easy for the west team to get it, south team is presumably somewhere in between or contesting that node

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so you can go west and then the south team will withdraw if they have the brains god gave a flea

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and now you either stick in and get pinched

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or you back off and west team gets the node uncontested

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it's just fucking awful design

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west, south, and east spawns should only ever be B rank

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S ranks only along the middle line

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and A ranks in between

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you can usually contest the "near" west/south/east nodes

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I mean, sure... if you had a full 24 man premade you could do pretty much anything

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but SE hates it when players are organized and work together to have fun and accomplish goals

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so we can only have 4 players now

amber escarp Apr 19, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Us seal rock dead?

celest nacelle Apr 19, 2020, 8:19 AM

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yes

fierce delta Apr 20, 2020, 1:48 PM

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PvPers, I have a question.

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I don't know how PvP worked before Shadowbringers, but beside the Frontline duty there's no other way to spend wolfmark points to upgrade your character, like PvE content? I could see that hp and mp are fixed by roles...

minor furnace Apr 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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wolfmarks are almost purely for glamour as far as I'm aware

winter canopy Apr 20, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Not almost, they are

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A looooong time ago the pvp armor used to be useful but they've since standardized stats

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You can't buff yourself in any way other than legitimately getting good

fierce delta Apr 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Why's that? Anybody knows?

spiral brook Apr 20, 2020, 7:20 PM

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To standardize stats so everyone’s on equal ground

fierce delta Apr 21, 2020, 1:26 AM

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But there's no progression through PvP?

spiral brook Apr 21, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Correct, no way to make yourself stronger

fierce delta Apr 21, 2020, 1:43 AM

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There's a plan to change that in the future?

spiral brook Apr 21, 2020, 1:46 AM

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Most likely no, they want everyone to have equal footing in PVP to make it easier for new players to enter.

fierce delta Apr 21, 2020, 2:05 AM

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But what about having a mode where PvP gear can worth something?

winter canopy Apr 21, 2020, 4:41 AM

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They already tried that method and it resulted in people who were geared for pvp obliterating everyone else

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It's already an unpopular section of the game and I doubt they plan on killing it further by bringing that aspect back outside of maybe a very specific mode

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But don't expect too much from them since pvp is very much low on the priority list for the devs

devout harbor Apr 21, 2020, 7:06 AM

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Been saying for a while, even if PvP is ever fun it lacks a sense of progression other than get diamond and sleep

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Needs a f2p style battle pass that gets updated once or twice per expansion. With cosmetics, dev time that would otherwise be spent making frontlines maps that die after a week

atomic narwhal Apr 21, 2020, 9:31 AM

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I give PvP maybe one more major update before they pull the plug and put the dev resources somewhere else

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it is already barely updated

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the sooner the devs realize it's just a waste of time, the better

upbeat lotus Apr 22, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Sounds like last expansion comments

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and look at where we are

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adsthink

fierce delta Apr 22, 2020, 12:08 PM

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PvP in FFXIV is awesome, I loved it, but what is worth doing it if I earn nothing from it.

silk rune Apr 22, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Last time I did PvP was Seal Rock, and I remember the Frontline achievements had a cool looking gear set

But yeah, if you're not into glamor and stuff..

fierce delta Apr 22, 2020, 1:44 PM

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I would enjoy more having a good progression if you wanna get serious on PvP and stuff, other than that there's no reason to do PvP, aside from glamour and mounts, you just do PvP, collect those misc items and you are done, there's no other reason to do that.

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I find it sad because I really enjoyed the content and the gameplay. But there should be something more than player skill and strategy, something like getting weekly cap to get pvp gear, that could slightly increase your advantage in PvP.

carmine plank Apr 22, 2020, 7:24 PM

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progression is fun but losing because someone else has better gear than you never feels good. The stat equalization is perhaps my favorite part about ffxiv pvp, since I can switch to any job and still be on equal footing.

meager dove Apr 22, 2020, 8:51 PM

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welp i'm making good progress on the pvp mount i just learned about

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0/3 so far

meager dove Apr 22, 2020, 9:50 PM

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also apparently adder always wins?

carmine plank Apr 22, 2020, 9:58 PM

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teams are randomized so any grand company streaks are completely accidental.

normal tinsel Apr 22, 2020, 10:39 PM

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battle pass

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solved

grizzled cipher Apr 23, 2020, 6:09 AM

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hello there - recently switched from WoW and I was wondering how pvp rewards work in this game? Also how hard is the learning curve for mages in pvp? - any answers are highly appreciated 🙂

fluid kiln Apr 23, 2020, 6:51 AM

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I do pvp for the cool fashion the pvp currency can buy, they also sometimes have pvp ranked events that give cool rewards but never tried it

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PVE abilities are oversimplified compared to PVE ones so yeah, kinda lacking

carmine plank Apr 23, 2020, 7:26 AM

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@grizzled cipher there are titles and mount rewards from achievements in different frontlines maps, which are the equivilant to battlegrounds in wow.
There are also ranked pvp seasons in The Feast every so often, which is like a 4v4 wow arena mode with special rules. Most of the time they are done through solo queue so you don't use a set team. Everyone queues solo and gets matched up with 3 other random teammates based on their role and ranking tier. You get rewards and titles based off of your placement during the season. Top 100 on the data center gets a rare reward, which is a unique mount or armor set.

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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/ranking/thefeast/reward/15/solo/

FINAL FANTASY XIV, The Lodestone

The Feast Rankings | FINAL FANTASY XIV, The Lodestone

Seasonal rankings for the Feast will soon be underway, and updated daily on the Lodestone. At the end of the season, players will receive special seasonal rewards based on their final ranking.

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those are the current season rewards

grizzled cipher Apr 23, 2020, 7:31 AM

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can you get old rated rewards later on with vouchers ?

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Thanks a lot for the info 🙂

devout harbor Apr 23, 2020, 7:38 AM

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nope top 100 on your data center for the feast rewards

carmine plank Apr 23, 2020, 7:38 AM

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The wolf collar vouchers you accumulate each season are for the weapons only. The top 100 rewards are only available once. Can't obtain them again once the season has ended.

grizzled cipher Apr 23, 2020, 7:40 AM

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so the old rated sets are only a 1 time thing - dang too bad 😦

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One more question - are there only weapons or also full sets?

carmine plank Apr 23, 2020, 7:44 AM

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The full armor sets have always been top 100 exclusive. Otherwise it's just the weapons or titles.

grizzled cipher Apr 23, 2020, 7:45 AM

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alright thanks !

meager dove Apr 24, 2020, 2:43 AM

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my team keeps getting second place by a hair, every game 😦

grizzled cipher Apr 24, 2020, 7:37 AM

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how is machinist in pvp? any good? or does it have some insane skillcap?

carmine plank Apr 24, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I haven't played it myself but I see it on the bottom of every feast job tier list

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Frontline roulette changed to include all FL modes. from live letter

devout harbor Apr 25, 2020, 11:18 AM

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In fls other players aren't good enough for a meta to matter honestly.

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That said, for feast, pvpers argue about what is good, what is bad all the time, but everyone pretty much unanimously agrees that MCH is absolutely terrible.

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You might get to high silver or gold with it, but once healers start reposing you, tanks start stunning you, range start silencing you, etc etc, during your burst it's fucking dreadful.

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Unlike with other phys range's burst, when you go into burst, you're on a timer to use your shit in 5 seconds, get cced? You completely lose it, now you need 13 seconds to get it back again. At minimum.

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As oppose to dancer, or bard. That can get cced and say 'w.e I still got resources to spend' and can save till next burst or keep spending (unless bard drops a song that is)

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On top of this it has no 'get out of the shit zone' ability. Dancer has 3 dashes. Bard has a back step. Mch has blank which gets one person away from it

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It's teamwide damage ability bio? Again out matched against saberdance which is a permanent 10% to your melee (most important damage dealer) Or bard's persistant 5% damage increase or 5% recast. Oh and you need to get close to land bio, other damage increases you don't... lol..

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Then it's mitigation tactician 10% that lasts 15 on a 45% cooldown, which sounds good

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But we are in a meta where people 'are more discouraged to hardswap because of potions'

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and even so, nature's minne is up more, offers less mitigation, sure, but offers a healing up (even countering sch+drk bursts)

spiral brook Apr 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

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does the healing up work on potions?

devout harbor Apr 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

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Yes.

spiral brook Apr 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

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namazupog

devout harbor Apr 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

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Atleast I think it does, because healing down works on them.

spiral brook Apr 25, 2020, 11:33 AM

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makes sense

devout harbor Apr 25, 2020, 11:34 AM

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I've seen a few things about people complaining about the scholar+dark knight damage downs, leading to people camping one target over and over, because eventually potions get rip and healer mana dies faster, but I'm unsure of how good scholar is for that to be an issue myself

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but drk is definitely strongest tank

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I did have more to say about mch but I've spammed enough and you get the idea that basically bard and dancer are better in almost every concievable way.

serene laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:10 AM

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If anyone on Crystal would like to jump into Secure currently we need more players to queue up for a game!

normal tinsel Apr 26, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Crystal Training is popping back to back for rn

celest steppe Apr 27, 2020, 5:44 PM

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any linkshells that are taking people in?
Mainly trying to do seal rock but i'm game with any pvp tbh.

lean hollow Apr 27, 2020, 10:02 PM

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So quick question

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How is pvp in twintania?

carmine plank Apr 28, 2020, 9:10 AM

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the same as everywhere else on light cause pvp pulls from all players on a data center.

mossy tartan Apr 28, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Hi! anyone know when Goblin Server active hours?

strange pawn Apr 28, 2020, 7:48 PM

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is pvp less active til you hit 80?

spiral brook Apr 28, 2020, 9:11 PM

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All PVP content unlocks at 30, AFAIK nothing more unlocks past that

carmine plank Apr 28, 2020, 10:17 PM

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@mossy tartan probably starting at around 5-6pm PDT

mossy tartan Apr 28, 2020, 11:22 PM

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thanks

cobalt ruin Apr 30, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Looking for dedicated pvp group. I'm still learning but super competitive and willing to learn. I want to make top 10--lets build a team

stark silo Apr 30, 2020, 8:10 AM

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I'm new to PVP and I play BLM, but I have no clue what is even going on, All I see is people spamming "Hello" on quick chat and thats about it and at time idk who to focus, tips?

sonic copper Apr 30, 2020, 8:14 AM

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really depends on the mode you play

stark silo Apr 30, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Uh, All except duel, I don't think BLM would even be useful in a duel

upbeat lotus May 1, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Usually, in Feast which is the mode you will experience quick chat usage in, Hello will indicate that the main form of burst contribution (stun or damage) is available and a Focus Attack quick chat input should follow after two teammates use it.

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Of course, that's the ideal usage of it. Some users tend to abuse quick chat inputs for griefing and they should not be accounted for.

devout harbor May 2, 2020, 1:19 PM

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A black mage's burst is typically whenever you get a xenoglossy every 15 seconds, so ping hello every 10 seconds.

Also prime a thunder on what you think may be the target (usually who ever your melee is targetting) so you can get the thunder 3 proc

At a minimu you can fire, xeno, thunder 3 proc for a very easy 7k damage, without even having to throw in a phantom dart .

If you plan on sticking with playing range though, I suggest maybe checking out summoner or dancer, because positioning for black mage can be very difficult to get a hang on

carmine plank May 2, 2020, 5:41 PM

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xeno is every 30 sec

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glop

devout harbor May 2, 2020, 7:11 PM

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fook oops

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I always get confused with the enochian timer thanks for correcting

limber sand May 3, 2020, 11:53 AM

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how's ninja in pvp?

devout harbor May 3, 2020, 4:43 PM

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frontlines great

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feast is 'eh'

gilded plaza May 3, 2020, 5:10 PM

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How about sam?

devout harbor May 3, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Good! Drg is pretty much king of the melee

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by a large margin

gilded plaza May 3, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Oh really?

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how?

devout harbor May 3, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Dragoon's damage, frequency of burst and aoe pressure is just absurd. A good dragoon can routinely pump out 300k + damage whereas any other job has to put in a lot of effort for 240k

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And there's it's range, people make jokes about it being a range dps because it really can burst people without being in melee range.

gilded plaza May 3, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Samurai does the dmg too though right

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What does dragoon have over the samurai because i believe the samurai has a bigger dps

devout harbor May 3, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Samurai has a big burst yes, but it doesnt have the frequency of burst that dragoon offers

devout harbor May 3, 2020, 9:18 PM

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in rw/fls you can make anything work, it's really not competitive

gilded plaza May 3, 2020, 10:50 PM

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The frequent burst... they have about the same skill speed except that midare takes time to setup but he still have alot of dps options

devout harbor May 3, 2020, 11:12 PM

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ok dude sam i sbetter than drg

gilded plaza May 3, 2020, 11:18 PM

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no i was just saying, i wanted to know what drg had

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that sam doesnt

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that puts drg ahead over sam

carmine plank May 3, 2020, 11:28 PM

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drg does have higher damage potential than sam. There isn't a single top sam that can match the total damage output of top drgs. The numbers just aren't there. They also have an easier time keeping up damage output due all their ranged attacks. They don't have to be in melee range to do decent damage like sams do. Makes them very versatile.

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That isn't to say a sam can't compete with a drg. They definitely can. There's a couple sams in the top 10 of the feast leaderboards, but there are more higher ranked drgs.

gilded plaza May 3, 2020, 11:31 PM

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ah okay thanks

carmine plank May 3, 2020, 11:48 PM

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across all 8 data centers atm, the #1 ranked player is a drg on 6 of them :p

gilded plaza May 4, 2020, 12:10 AM

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thats crazy

umbral belfry May 4, 2020, 12:23 AM

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anyone on behemoth and wanting to do pvp?

lament pilot May 4, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Hey guys, just getting into PvP for the first time in XIV. Saw those new Shadowbringers sets that you can buy, look fantastic. What is going to give me the best bang for my buck if Im going after Wolf Marks?

spiral brook May 4, 2020, 6:10 AM

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gear doesn't matter in PVP anymore

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all stats are standardized

lament pilot May 4, 2020, 6:10 AM

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No no, I mean the glamour gear.

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The stuff that makes you look like Genji

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I want to get that, cause it looks great. Haha.

spiral brook May 4, 2020, 6:11 AM

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oh, you mean getting wolf marks fast. I think feast is fastest, but I never enjoyed the game mode that much to really farm it

lament pilot May 4, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Ohhhh, I see what you mean. Dont want to get burned out.

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So if not Feast is there another one that's good enough?

spiral brook May 4, 2020, 6:12 AM

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whatever frontline is available for the day, as they cycle in availability every day.

lament pilot May 4, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Copy that, I'll get that a shot.

candid pulsar May 4, 2020, 7:05 AM

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How is white mage in pvp?

lament pilot May 4, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Fucking annoying they wont fucking die.

quiet dove May 4, 2020, 7:06 AM

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The feast. I understand ffxiv is not to popular. But how do i get the fastest queue for trainking or ranked feast? Healer? tank? dps? times of day?

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i mean PVP in ffxiv i wrote that wrong

gilded plaza May 4, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Get in a party

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i think

carmine plank May 4, 2020, 11:38 AM

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from the PvPaissa FAQ @quiet dove

The Feast isn't a popular side-activity in this game, therefore you shouldn't expect regular queues. Your best chances are around the peak times most players are online, which are usually evenings on weekdays and more on weekends. Do keep in mind some days such as Tuesday (reset day) will most likely have players focused on other content, so queues might be much longer.
Another tip is to queue as a less popular role. This is usually the melee DPS or healer. Some matches might not start for very long times if there's a role missing.
Check if it's Solo Ranked season or not. During a season, players will be in queue for The Feast (Ranked Match). When it isn't season, The Feast (Training Match) will be the preferred option. Do not confuse this with Team Ranked Matches, as those require you to queue as a group of 4 people. Team Ranked seasons happen rarely compared to Solo seasons, so it is highly unlikely it will pop at all.

fierce delta May 4, 2020, 11:51 AM

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Sad.

rotund nexus May 4, 2020, 12:28 PM

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How can I be a PvP god

sonic copper May 4, 2020, 12:36 PM

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gitgud

devout harbor May 4, 2020, 4:55 PM

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ranked is solo only

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training is duo

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duo most definitely will not pop though

gilded plaza May 5, 2020, 4:30 PM

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any ideas on mnk in pvp

uncut kernel May 5, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I am currently trying to get the Plat, on PS4, for FF14 and I am trying to do the pvp trophy. Is anyone able to help me just do 1 run? Lol

unborn sparrow May 5, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Bro PvP is hard I have no idea what I'm doing lmao

gilded iris May 7, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Remember when you had to use certain armor to hard cap stats

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darkling

amber escarp May 8, 2020, 9:13 PM

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well 1600 to 600 tells a lot mate

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simply the people you fought with your bard were a meme

glad ridge May 9, 2020, 5:11 PM

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WHERE: Chaos Datacenter
When: Today from 6pm server time! (If queues are not popping we always finish early so be there as soon as poss if you want in!)

PvP Hidden Gorge TODAY @ 6PM [Server Time/GMT] ★ Join discord! more info and RW guides→ https://discord.gg/c5Pmjev

normal tinsel May 9, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Crystal Training is currently popping if you're looking for practice!

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normal tinsel May 10, 2020, 12:28 AM

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there are two games

carmine belfry May 11, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Does anyone know what time on Sunday the cut off is for weekly results in frontlines? I’m show three more wins for the week then what is being display on the standings. Thanks

prisma crystal May 11, 2020, 5:33 PM

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is solo q'ing for pvp basically useless?

carmine plank May 11, 2020, 7:31 PM

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what

deft oriole May 12, 2020, 1:35 AM

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no

static yew May 13, 2020, 1:28 PM

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oh, good ol' times

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are gunbreakers still op?

normal tinsel May 14, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Crystal Feast is popping

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doing our first break day from ranked

amber escarp May 14, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Hows the pvp state in this game rn, i remember it being absolutely abyssmal two years back

desert bane May 15, 2020, 3:02 AM

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frontline is still pretty shit

remote merlin May 15, 2020, 7:56 AM

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About the same, unbalanced jobs and dumb metas

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No fun

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tiredlazy

upbeat lotus May 16, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Not wrong lol

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I'll try to do a better job looking in here to help some of you out. I'm normally more attentive to PvPaissa but if you have questions and no one has really answered feel free to DM me.

amber escarp May 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Good evening

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I think I ll start playing this game but first I need to know how is pvp like is it dead or is there guild vs guild

daring dune May 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Hi guys, i have a simple question. Did The new pvp and pvp sets came up at the release of Shadowbringer or after ? :):)

spiral brook May 17, 2020, 9:00 PM

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The robot stuff? I think 5.1 added it

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Same with the newest frontline map

daring dune May 17, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Thank you !!

carmine plank May 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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@Wicked#2712 ranked pvp is a pretty niche activity, but large scale pvp is very active every day from early afternoon to night

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and no there is no guild vs guild

gilded plaza May 18, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Pros and cons of War and PLD in feast/frontlines?

upbeat lotus May 18, 2020, 10:32 PM

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They have immunity tools that can help them stay alive when charging or retreating, warrior has a strong cleave and sustain tool to deal with groups, paladin can follow up damage on targets very well.

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In terms of cons, it's mostly their inability to escape combat outside of major cooldowns but they also suffer from lacking individual agency to a degree (warrior needs a party member nearby to use their healing, paladin cannot mitigate for itself with Intervention and relies on being close to a target to begin their burst window.

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In Feast's case, both struggle to match the power of Dark Knight in the current metagame and is an ENTIRELY different conversation than Frontlines where you can do basically whatever and find success.

unborn sparrow May 18, 2020, 11:34 PM

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I kinda hate PvP

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gilded plaza May 19, 2020, 12:42 AM

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what matters in feast, just the dps? @upbeat lotus

upbeat lotus May 19, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Utility and coordinated bursts are more meaningful to success than in FL

spiral brook May 19, 2020, 12:45 AM

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!faq flmeta

surreal tokenBOT May 19, 2020, 12:45 AM

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PvP Frontline Meta

upbeat lotus May 19, 2020, 12:45 AM

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all you do is zerg well and win any duels/contested zones

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otherwise, you're wasting your time stalemating

spiral brook May 19, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Chaining CC is also very powerful

upbeat lotus May 19, 2020, 12:45 AM

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really, just the healer CC matters

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since high output from cleve+numbers will take care of the rest

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5 targets bursting one target with no cc can be stopped by a single healer for a moment until that person retreats and refreshes pots

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one exception to this is DRG, which is busted atm

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5 DRGs cleaving is just murdering whatever it looks at

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and everything else will be hurt or dead equally

gilded plaza May 19, 2020, 1:15 AM

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so in the feasts case

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the warrior is slightly better in that mode than pld

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?

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@upbeat lotus

upbeat lotus May 19, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Yes, its tools are more valuable there

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Vulnerability and strong self and teammate sustain along with a really good CC move in Holmgang and a good gapcloser in Onslaught

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Dark Knight is the only tank that beats it out due to the strength of healing down, TBN costing no mana and being better eHP when used later than %mitigation which needs to be applied BEFORE damage goes out, and high burst when cooldowns and resources are available.

gilded plaza May 19, 2020, 1:26 AM

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ok interesting

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what about drks mitigation , i know tbn is good

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but doesnt drk die faster than the other tanks

rotund seal May 19, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Thank you SE for making pvp relevant this patch. This is making my heart sing with excitement. Hopefully they make better adjustments and whatnot so that pvp isnt in the back burner

wheat cargo May 19, 2020, 12:43 PM

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It'll ebb and flow with these events

upbeat lotus May 19, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Warrior has the highest survivability but it needs teammates, resources, and at least 2-3 targets to get it going. Dark Knight can mitigate for itself with TBN, Dark Missionary is mitigation + heal actions increase which affects potions, along with Souleater combo being relatively decent sustain.

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and Holmgang on Warrior is also the most frequent death immunity but it also has stricter conditions for maximization.

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DRK doesn't die particularly faster than any other tank

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Outside of immunity, but that's kind of moot since PLD's can be stripped off the moment its applied and warrior can just get stunned and bursted before it can press HG while offering no other forms of self-mitigation.

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Either way, every target can effectively be globaled including tanks if you coordinate well with 4 people so you're trying to look more for the better offensive and defensive utility to prevent getting caught in those situations and DRK does the best job so far.

upbeat lotus May 19, 2020, 6:26 PM

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That's something entirely subjective. I personally don't like playing large scale for reasons I won't get into but I am able to enjoy it more when I queue with other players. Without other players, I just find ways I can impact the game based on where others are on the map. Sometimes, you get pretty hard losses but that can happen in any PvP game which is something you have to realize and not allow to mess with your mental.

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ultimately, if you don't like it, don't play it. I know the completionist in people can get the better of them but don't ruin your enjoyment of the game over it IMO.

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It's why I'm personally glad this event exists because I don't like doing beast tribe quests and I'm able to get mounts anyway.

rotund seal May 19, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Just like @upbeat lotus said. @sharp rivet the game is subjective but with people to coordinate or laugh with it makes the experience better

upbeat lotus May 19, 2020, 8:25 PM

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We can play a few games if you'd like.

upbeat lotus May 19, 2020, 9:01 PM

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party finder is up if you would like to join me @sharp rivet

primal tree May 20, 2020, 11:32 AM

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i wish they would rework pvp

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frontlines is a shit show

sonic copper May 20, 2020, 12:46 PM

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i dunno. frontlines and rival wings are fun to me

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but as usual, it really depends on your team

icy oak May 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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How do you kill healers? How much damage I do vs how much they heal it's insane even with silence and forget it if their is more than one it seems impossible to kill anyone without out numbering them hard.

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No wonder this game mode is usually dead, this is silly.

sonic copper May 20, 2020, 5:12 PM

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usually you kill them with others

remote monolith May 20, 2020, 5:14 PM

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need a stunlock on them, and you need more than just one person. It's virtually impossible to 1v1 in Frontlines with all of the self healing potions people can get and how little damage you can do to anyone

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basically reminds me of 1v1s in BDO with both people spamming mega pots so neither person dies, except you get far less stuns and staggers in here versus that other MMO

icy oak May 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I'm not even talking about 1v1 I'm talking about as a team, I just had 3 people attacking this bard he got to 10% hp and then suddenly 50% and full in a second

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it's silly they can heal this much

carmine plank May 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

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getting kills against healers relies on either putting out a high amount of burst damage in as short a window as possible so they have little time to react, or through sustained damage until they run out of cooldowns and potions and can't keep up with the damage output anymore.

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Healers can heal someone to full in 2 GCD, but it's also possible for 2-3 people to kill someone in that window as well with coordinated damage. Battle high makes doing this much, much easier.

pastel kelp May 20, 2020, 6:18 PM

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@icy oak Potions do 3k potency and up to 6k potency at low HP. In RW you have Battle High which boosts healing too. If you're not doing enough burst to kill them at low HP a smart player will just let you get them low then pot over and over to make the pots really last.

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You're going to notice a massive gap between PvP players and PvE players in RW but it's rare that they really team up. Last night though there was a team of 4 top 100 Feast players, one being top 10, playing RW and even when they were just playing around they were wiping the floor with everyone. Likewise a few Feast friends and I also did a 4 man queue with a couple of us being top 100 and we were racking up kills like nothing on jobs we never play.

icy oak May 20, 2020, 6:29 PM

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I'm not playing Rival wings? I'm only doing pvp for the points it's not that serious to me since I don't really like it compared to wow

pastel kelp May 20, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Ah. Well in Feast it's a bit different.

icy oak May 20, 2020, 6:30 PM

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I'm doing frontline and currently hidden gorge for the event points

pastel kelp May 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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FL is the same as RW.

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In the context of that first comment I made.

cedar swift May 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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hey guys im coming from wow. im wwondering how the pvp is compared to wow?

pastel kelp May 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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That depends, it's bad like BFA's PvP so they're similar there. If you're comparing FF14's PvP to WoW's general PvP then FF14 is a lot worse.

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Even comparing FF14's PvP to a lukewarm PvP expansion like WoD, WoW would win every day.

cedar swift May 20, 2020, 6:33 PM

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ok tyvm for the honesty 🙂

pastel kelp May 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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@icy oak FL has Battle High like RW so their pots and heals will scale with stacks. It's not very balanced and is quite frankly the least balanced mode and the last thing you should focus on is picking people off unless you're a NIN or have 100 Battle High. Just focus on being where you're supposed to be mainly. What job are you?

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No problem! I still end up PvPing because I love PvP and also love FF14. 😅

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It's still fun, it's just not good. The community is much better than WoW though, you get to know most of the people queueing.

icy oak May 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I've been playing summoner for the stun, if I play Ninja I'd be able to kill easier?

pastel kelp May 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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SMN has a chance to kill once per 30 seconds.

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The rest of the time you're just running around at max range putting DoTs on random people and spamming ED.

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If you want to just murder people then NIN is better because their Assassinate is an execute that resets on kill, they additionally have the generic melee execute Smite.

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You can just run around executing low HP enemies until you get 100 Battle High then every time you do a combo from stealth you get a free kill 1v1.

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What are you doing for your burst on SMN?

carmine plank May 20, 2020, 7:06 PM

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well I like ffxiv pvp over wow pvp >_>

pastel kelp May 20, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I mean, you'll see me on FF14's PvP all the time and not on WoW so... xD

rotund seal May 20, 2020, 11:14 PM

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I love ffxiv pvp more than any other game tbh. I just wish more of us were interested as well so that queue times were always like they are now.

pastel kelp May 21, 2020, 12:47 AM

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It's fun but we certainly have a few issues. The biggest issue and the one that will likely never be fixed is the tick rate of the game and subpar netcode. That loses a lot of players off the bat. Then we're kinda stuck in this vicious cycle where we don't have enough PvP players to justify big changes and we don't have many PvP players because we never get big changes. :\

restive lark May 21, 2020, 1:28 AM

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liking ffxiv pvp over wow pvp KEKW

remote merlin May 21, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Lol imagine liking the PvP here

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tiredlazy

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When the devs rarely throw a bone at it and when they do it's usually a shitty bone full of balancing problems or lackluster rewards

amber escarp May 21, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Not the greatest at pvp and barely play dps in it

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But got a nice battle high V game

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Actually so pog

hidden cradle May 21, 2020, 9:53 PM

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I just grind Frontlines for Wolfmarks for glamour parts.

amber escarp May 21, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I enjoy FL

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Theres no real glamour I want

hidden cradle May 21, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Yeah, FL is hella fun.

crisp gyro May 22, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Just wanted to share this. First time trying Hiden Gourge. And I suck paissaowo
I read guides, watch videos to prepare myself, but ones on arena it's chaos and I panic edgeypaissa The only good think about it that it can't be worse, and there is lot of room for improvement

ocean frigate May 22, 2020, 4:42 PM

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PVP should be a little more complex and rewarded.

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Hiden Gourge its very fun and isn't a clown fest like frontlines, 48 players are enough so melee classes can shine a bit more.

hidden cradle May 22, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Yeah, I found FL is definitely a Tank and Ranged dps kinda mode. Playing Melee dps is difficult unless you have a huge zerg.

amber escarp May 22, 2020, 10:49 PM

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When you get a good frontline team

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And shit goes well

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God frontline is ice

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I kinda ignoring RW since I dont understand it

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Gonna play it anyway

pastel kelp May 22, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Melee is super strong in FL depending on the job. NIN builds Battle High absurdly fast for instance.

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DRG is the highest damage job in PvP right now in general, MNK has some of the craziest burst with some Battle High, and SAM is just pretty strong in general.

hidden cradle May 22, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Ah, I mainly do Random queue FLs so I guess they're not as coordinated.

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Usually it's just a deathballs and if a melee leaves the ball that isn't a tank, they usually get clapped.

pastel kelp May 22, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Nobody marks targets in FL so you can get away with things a lot.

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The big thing to remember that you just never see in FL is that ranged is super weak.

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Ranged does low damage and dies super easily.

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A few games in Feast or a few 1v1s with a decent melee will show you that pretty quick, but most people in FL aren't really learning their jobs or anything.

hidden cradle May 22, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Ah, aight. I play MCH in FL mainly so I can just stay back and attempt to pick off stragglers or move up to silence and cc healers.

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I'll keep that in mind, I love DRG too so I'll give them a spin next time.

pastel kelp May 22, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Hop in the PvPaissa Discord if you want the PvP resources for any given job.

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MCH plays pretty close to its PvE counterpart so you're probably doing that mostly correct, but I'm sure you've noticed how average it feels unfortunately.

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We have 1 MCH on the combined NA top 100 boards in Feast right now. :\

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And what makes DRG so strong is it's very hard to kill, extremely mobile, and its ranged attack does more damage than its melee combo.

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It can drop burst after burst and it can drop its full burst combo from range.

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Also a lot of its skills do AoE damage.

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Your 2 hardest hitting skills both hit in AoE. lol

hidden cradle May 22, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Nice.

ocean frigate May 23, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Melee on FL is to risky mostly because you have healers that can't heal or are always away from you or alliance healers that find hard targeting people from other parties. Indeed DRG/NIN and MNK have crazy damage but those jobs mostly shines when you are stomping both alliances.

pastel kelp May 23, 2020, 2:50 AM

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You really don't need a healer, especially as DRG.

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When you have Bloodbath + an AoE burst combo you can heal to full in 1 hit.

normal tinsel May 23, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Crystal training is popping again

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normal tinsel May 23, 2020, 4:47 AM

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two training matches going rn