So many of these new feast healers are doing literally half the healing output that their class is capable of.
#archived-player-vs-player
carmine plank
plucky mango
anyone have a link to any feast guides
im trying for that garo achivement
and after 10 matches in a row everyone being a loss i dont understand wtf is going on
carmine plank
check pins, join pvpaissa for class specific channels, ask questions.
strange cloud
Any advice on rival wings? I feel like it's really difficult to know what to focus on.
amber escarp
Join Revival Wings. Tons of guides and tips there
remote merlin
Yea join them
old wren
theres pvp in this game?
amber escarp
No. This sections isn’t for PvP
This game's pvp is uploading your parse to fflogs and bragging about it to your friends
amber escarp
The PvP is glamour contests. #gposers
wary nymph
I won a glamour contest as a male lalafell still proud of that
my competition was a bunch of female aura and miqote. maybe they all blended in 👀
remote merlin
You guys forgot the market board PvP of undercutting
So much PvP variety in this game wow!
bronze laurel
Housing*
winter trail
soon to be crafting PvP too with Ishgard restoration leaderboards!!
remote merlin
Oh yea housing placards
That's the hardcore season PvP stuff right there
Very limited PvP time to participate
nocturne socket
How do I join a specific team when I queue?
amber escarp
in frontline? you can't
you either do freelancer and you go anywhere or you turn it off and you join your grand company
tame gorge
@amber escarp save me from these feast healers thanks
keen heron
Is there a way I can self setup double potency on MCH Air Anchor in pvp?
It requires a sleep or a stun, but I dont seem to have either in ShB?
amber escarp
@tame gorge queue healer :^)
tame gorge
I'm a terrible PVP healer
amber escarp
@keen heron your blank is a stun. But it's also a knock back so you might screw over your team
Healing is rough 
Especially now since it's all about pressure
amber escarp
np my guy
keen heron
this is my proudest moment in pvp history
is this how to pvp. avoid conflict and sneak in to reap the rewards before escaping again? 
amber escarp
if you had good players on the other team (mostly feast players) you would have lost lol
tame gorge
It's frustrating how much control over how a match goes is on the healer at these low levels
amber escarp
Ehhhh. It falls on everyone really. Healer messing up is just most noticeable so easiest to blame
Nothing the healer can do if your team just stands there and doesnt put up any pressure to counter theirs
but that's not easily visible so; HEALER SUCKS
tame gorge
I had 4 matches end within 30 seconds at the end of the night last night
Because the healer did fuck all or ran away
Like
DPS mistakes are harder to spot sure
But those are still longer matches
amber escarp
that's training lol. do ranked and it will happen less as you rank up
amber escarp
but its training so its high ranks mixed in with pepegas. and garo...and soon moogle tomes
oof
oh wait no tomes in feast
good
tame gorge
Yeah I put Garo off
And it's just... a feista of some of the worst players I've ever seen
tame gorge
I get too tilted to play ranked in games
keen heron
is there really skill invovled in ffxiv pvp, since there's so few skills per class that is?
I guess position, target priority etc.
but every class is pretty dull inside pvp
amber escarp
thank the community for that one. right now the skill comes from target priority, proper cc and knowing your burst
that's the big issue with pvp now. this shit isnt hard
so people that are good aren't able to solo carry. the skill gap is tiny and its on purpose. yoship keeps mentioning wanting to have a small skill gap in this game
im really hoping 5.1 increases the skill gap. there's no reason that someone that consistently places high in ranks cant solo carry a game in low ranks
carmine plank
maybe it's tiny at the higher levels, but the skill gap between your average frontliner and an experienced feast player is pretty enormous imo
amber escarp
man now im getting salty because SE dumbed down pvp for the community...then the community still doesn't understand pvp and SE chased away good pvp players
carmine plank
the majority of pvp players don't even know how to push their buttons
full carbon
Hi community. First time posting. Just trying to get some quick feast tips. I'm currently mech in pvp. Trying to get that garo gear but damn people don't know how to do things. Even when you say what to do. Regardless, I'm just trying to improve to at least make sure I'm not doing anything wrong
amber escarp
1st) Record yourself. This is the basics of improving in ANY PvP game. The information you gain from watching your own gameplay and finding where YOU could have done better is insane.
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Join PvPaissa. There are a lot of mentors and other experienced Feast players with a wealth of knowledge that they can help you with.
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Ask good questions. We don't know you or your experience. Have SPECIFIC questions so you get SPECIFIC answers.
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Keep a student mentality. Don't blame the healer or anyone else. You're new just like them so you're making just as many mistakes.
@full carbon
full carbon
All wonderful advice and I thank you for it. @amber escarp
Pvpaissa is another discord right?
carmine plank
yea check pins for a link
full carbon
Perfect
remote merlin
wtf? The small skill Gap is perfect it makes it FAIR stop trying to make it a even more one-sided mess by saying the skill Gap should be higher that's just gonna make it worse
A feaster shouldn't be able to carry a entire team it's a team based mode not 1v1 -_-
eternal root
Well there's certainly a skill gap.. along with bad balancing issues. In a feast match filled with newbies, all it takes is say... 1 Diamond DPS and the opposing team will suffer a ton of deaths. Even with the skill gap supposedly being so small, there are still tons of people who quite literally can't get over 60k DPS in a 6min feast match. Or over 150k heals
That's what makes "raising the skill floor" such a terrible idea. Bad players will be bad no matter how much easier you make it. As I always say, you can have a game(let's use FFXIV) that only has one button, one single attack
And there will still be terrible players
FFXIV is like the only game I know of that actually discourages skill gaps. As if they're a bad thing. It's so weird
remote merlin
Good, premades in Frontline need seprete ques or make them short number premades like rival wings xD
normal tinsel
i would like to hope they do that
a bigger skill gap would keep things fresh
i already fell like i have reached my peak in pvp
after the 1k+ feast games i have played i'm getting kinda bored
atomic narwhal
it's what made me stop playing frontlines altogether
and quit pvp in general
it's already not fun to begin with
also lol @ that one person trying to shit on Greta in a completely unrelated thread 
amber escarp
Why not just try to improve and make your own premade
Or ask them to join so that you can improve
atomic narwhal
bc I don't find pvp in this game all that fun to begin with
if I want to pvp ill play tf2 or the worse tf2
amber escarp
I’m looking to pvp with a group would anyone wont to join me
amber escarp
Then it wasn't the premades that made you stop playing, it was the fact that you don't find it fun and don't find it worth the time to improve.
@amber escarp join the different servers in the pins and you can try finding a group there
amber escarp
this game isn't fun in general, the pve and pvp stink
it's amusing how a 2004 game can still out trump this mmo
pve and pvp wise
remote merlin
Yea honestly I don't get why people defend it
It sucks there's better games
For PvP
Every season is a chore only reason imo that keeps me from playing is the rewards once I get highest tier you bet I'ma stop
Asap
leaden bane
What, in the middle of matches?
eternal root
yes
remote merlin
Wouldn't surprise me if people do that so yes
restive lark
pepega
amber escarp
pepega
fallow breach
Finally got my title.
Now to grind out wins for the mounts 
hallow vale
Just started doing this too, hopefully I can make it xD
remote merlin
Just keep playing! 
hallow vale
The GARO items can't be put inside the armory in the inn?
hallow vale
Ah okay, just worried for inv space
normal tinsel
your time is limited
remote merlin
I say go for the glamour's you really like first and which horse you like more (gold or silver)
glass crypt
can you macro pvp version of pve abilities? like nascent flash?
wary nymph
Yes, /pvpaction "Nascent Flash"
You can use /pvpaction "Nascent Flash" <2> to get it on your healer without switching targets'
glass crypt
awesome, tyty
carmine plank
@hallow vale You can repurchase the garo gear from the Calamity Salvager once you obtain it. I threw most all mine away knowing I could buy what pieces I wanted later.
carmine plank
yep
devout harbor
Reminder that the garo blm wep is a massive paintbrush
remote merlin
Yes
quaint dagger
fists, staffs, 2handed sword are all pretty cool looking :O
also the shield is invisible, so if you wanna be a 1hander only paladin, its nice to have
atomic narwhal
@amber escarp it was the premades though, i played pvp regularly for the barkmarks until i kept running into premades
amber escarp
Then why not join that premade or make your own and improve. If you found the mode fun you would have done that instead of using it as your reason to quit
atomic narwhal
yes let me just join this random group of 8 friends who are on a different server
it was the last straw
i never found the mode fun but i could just about bear it for the rewards
amber escarp
Did you try reaching out? Because that's how I improved years ago when I was terrible
Literally /t hey man can i join you guys? i really want to learn
Even in that forum post one of the folks from the "infamous" premade is offering to have new players join...and no one is taking him up on the offer
atomic narwhal
nope
amber escarp
That's the big issue right now with PvP. People think us PvP players are some crazy monster toxic entity when generally most folks are welcoming AF lol
Honestly I'd say overall we're nicer than the general community
atomic narwhal
I never said anything about toxicity
it's simple
- I don't like the pvp in this game
- I could just about bear it for the rewards
- Repeatedly getting roflstomped by a premade was the final straw and I quit pvp entirely
amber escarp
That's a shame. Well the fix is there if you decide to give it a fair shake instead of letting friendly folks chase you out
amber escarp
Sounds more like
"I got my ass kicked by a party and I'm too shy to interact and form groups with other people in an MMO so fuck this game mode and everything about it"
Yeah sure pvp aint fun in this game and there's not much reason to improve on it for a lot of reasons but you were tolerating it until you got your ass whipped by people who worked together for once
Hilarious! LMAO! "B-but I dont wanna talk and form groups with other people.... in an mmo.... T-this is the last straw!"
Oh well, if that's all there is then good bye :)
👋 👋 👋
Walk away and don't look back buddy, you dont like it, we get it, go play dress up yah
restive lark
atomic narwhal
are you okay buddy?
I think you are taking this a bit too personal
I know you are trying to hide your personal insecurities behind a trollish internet persona, but that's no way to live
it's precisely what leads to the absolute worst of this "toxicity" that EA claimed comes mostly from newer players
if you learn to accept that some people just like different things then I am sure you will grow as a person and learn to love yourself ❤
amber escarp
1 person does not equal the entire community
You have the entire chat log as proof. I suggest taking a look :)
There are folks that are ass holes everywhere. PvP. PvE. Fucking Walmart. That being said... even though he said it in a rough way I can’t say I disagree
Imagine if people said FFXIV is toxic after meeting one person in a duty
restive lark
imagine calling the whole community toxic and being deluded to refuse advice from anyone reaching out to help then continuing to call the community toxic
god bless ffxiv community
amber escarp
LMAO get outta here
you're a tiny blip on this circle of a game and your existence means nothing to me
you will not be missed
go do something else more productive with your life that isn't having to justify not playing pvp
all you've done is preach to the choir and nothing else lmao
I know you don't like pvp and i'm not gonna force you to play it
i think it's hilarious though that you had to come in and just explain what you think lol
nobody gives a shit
normal tinsel
yall wild 
Most players that que up pvp aren’t used to the challenge of putting effort into learning or getting better at pvp since SE gives the players rewards no matter how poorly the player performs
and that turns off a lot of players and end up hating pvp for no real reason when they have barely gotten to know it
amber escarp
wary nymph
👀
restive lark
hotspot + 3.xers mentality
remote merlin
That's se's problem 
normal tinsel
adjust wolf marks received from losing and winning
remote merlin
[[Yes, Please]]
normal tinsel
players that lose more will get frustrated with the amount of wolf marks they receive and will eventually get fed up enough to improve and learn instead of queing with half their brain and getting what they want with no effort just like in most pve content
after that they will realize “hey i think i got the hang of this pvp” and will start enjoying it and develop a competitive spirit
simple fix
eternal root
How many futures did you look through to see if that would work?
amber escarp
lol
or they could just make pvp fun
before we even look at external factors like matchmaking, rewards, and overall game integration you still need to tackle the core
and no matter how you look at it the core gameplay around healers is retarded
all of us know the difficulty and necessity of healers in like feast and frontlines but you have to understand it shouldn't make sense that they can solo any other dps/tank in this game on an individual basis
remove that problem and maybe square can fix everything else wrong about FL and feast and maybe implement world pvp where the most OP ass thing in the world wont be a fucking healer job for god sakes
remote merlin
Agreed
eternal root
One of the biggest reasons why healers can't be solo'd, to me, is because there's no counter system and with that, a block break system. Something that stops a healer from healing and punishes them for standing still and just healing away
If anyone here played DC Universe online, you might know what I'm getting at
Certain abilities that leave a window open for a specific counter attack that stuns the other person
All jobs could cast instantly and healers and casters could have certain (powerful)abilities that can be countered/interrupted if caught casting
Of course as a caster/healer if you counter the other person that would give you the time to safely cast the strong attack/heal you need
Problem with all that is that FFXIV will never be responsive enough to have a system like that...
remote merlin
Agreed aswell
fallow breach
There needs to be a little more CC. IMO. Healers can’t just hide in the back spamming heals if they’re constantly getting interrupted.
restive lark
did you just deadass compare ffxiv combat to dcuo, two completely different combat systems, the comparison makes no sense, youd better be comparing it to wow where casts can be reliably interrupted with silence cc since currently silence is borderline useless against healers, or how arr and hw pvp was where hard hitting abilities completely canceled casts instantly, but that got removed for a more accessible gateway to healing for newcomers, healers cannot be soloable because the dps jobs lack utility in their kit and numeral ccs, ninja can solo an absolutely terrible healer, only because it has stun and silence, give more ccs to sam monk and drg and then itd be remotely possible, but still shouldnt be too possible to the point where you can always 1v1 a healer regardless of what cds they have up, this is asking for a higher skill cap which will even worsen the attitudes of these carebears that farm wolf marks and complain about premades, literally nothing you can do about it
remote merlin
Imo the gcd is a big problem why it's being holded back
eternal root
Obviously I know the two games are totally different lol. It's not like it's a stupid thought though. Something like that could work if the PvP GCDs were shortened to maybe 1.5s instead of the 2.4 we have now. But the MAIN thing making that impossible is FFXIV's crappy netcode. That'll make it I for this game to ever have responsive PvP
Also I never played WoW before so I know nothing about it <.<
Only ever played 2 MMOs including this one. I'm still relatively new to MMO gaming..
restive lark
blocking system is too dynamic for fixed animations that function on a frontloaded or backloaded basis, the thought holds no sense regardless
eternal root
Add in some stuns or down for the count windows after hitting/getting hit by certain things. Kinda like how SAM's counter ability works. The systems are already in the game.
But again, because of the current netcode and GCD, those things wouldn't work. Even if you gave a DPS a stun and a silence each, it wouldn't be enough to 1v1 a healer with half a brain
Nerf healing potency and healer becomes garbage
Remove stun resistances and game is just broken
limber gazelle
Just tried to do pvp and none of my macros worked
Did some reading and apparewntly I have to have a whole nother set of macros for pvp?
restive lark
/pvpac
limber gazelle
Can I just add that onto the ones I already have or do I have to make a whole new set?
restive lark
replace /cast or /action with /pvpac
everything else can be the same
/micon includes pvpaction after the action name
limber gazelle
So my macro is /ac "Benediction" <mo>
If I change the ac then I can't use that macro in pve?
restive lark
/micon "Benediction" pvpaction
/pvpac "Benediction" <mo>
no you cant, two different sets then
restive lark
shared macro space is 99, its fine
unless you play every job in pvp like me and your 99 slots are full
limber gazelle
I haven't used shared macros before
Would I just write the same macro into shared macros with the edits?
And would that keep my pve macros working fine and pvp macros working fine?
restive lark
yes
limber gazelle
ooooooooooooooooooooh
restive lark
if you dont have alts can just use shared macro space as an extra page of macros, keep it to pve for shared and pvp for personal, works either way
limber gazelle
I thought I was going to have to rewrite my macros when I switch to pvp and pve
restive lark
pvp hotbars are completely different, so it shouldnt interfere if its all just seperate
limber gazelle
Ah ok
No doubt I'll have more questions but that should be help for now, thanks 🙂
neat vault
PvP gear is great
remote merlin
We need more new ones 😦 
amber escarp
i liked the ARR sets way more
elfin temple
So, am I wrong to try and focus the healer in the feast as a tank?
It feels like we're never able to kill anyone, which...feels like it's because we never kill the healer.
The last 3 games I've played we've never gotten a single kill
split orbit
I found with randos you definitely need to nuke the healer, stun right as they get low and hope everyone follows up with a stun and knows what's going on
I have been having trouble as well.
Should go healer range dps and then healer and physical
restive lark
It's a variety of factors, the healer might simply just be decent, your dps and yourself might just be inferior, etc, correct play is bursting the same target at the same time with those countdowns, tanks focus on ccing the healer every countdown or try to while pitching in their hardest hitting move as well, tunneling the healer can only work vs inexperienced healers, dont be fooled to think that's how you play correctly, it's not, it's bad vs an experienced healer, youd kill nothing even easier
elfin temple
If you can't focus the healer, then how are you supposed to kill them?
elfin temple
But if you don't focus the healer, you can't kill anyone else, feels like. XD
restive lark
You and your dps are playing bad then, that shouldnt be the case
elfin temple
But if you don't kill the healer, they can outheal the damage you're doing.
restive lark
Refer to what I previously said for that
normal tinsel
basically what crit is saying is to learn a burst combo for your job/class
lots of dmg in a short amount of time
and not just pressing your strongest abilities when they are up
elfin temple
I believe I know what my burst combo is...But if the healer's still alive when I'm using my burst, it doesn't seem to matter.
carmine plank
It's most likely just a skill discrepancy between the healer and damage dealers. Bad healers are gonna let people die to bad dps. Good healers will still let people die to good dps. Good healers will rarely let people die to bad dps.
It's training, so games are not balanced at all.
elfin temple
Ah, is that what it is?
The queues for ranked are really long, so that's why I've avoided them.
clever moss
There is no ranked season atm we are in pre-season until 5.1
so there is no point in ranking since it wont be logged at all
IMO they should disable the ranked que while pre-season is on since a lot of new players dont know the diff between the two and sit in ranked que all day ><
most people saying pvp que is too long just que the wrong thing
(or que at the wrong time of the day)
@elfin temple It's also important to take note of certain buffs or skills a healer is using as well
for example if you notice the enemy ast is in neutral sect, doing your full burst then will probably not get a kill at all.
but if you do a CD on a target knowing that the healer's GCD is done (or on CD) chances of getting that kill with your burst will be higher
taking note of the healers CC( stuns/silence etc) immunity is also important
tanks will stun during a CD to help with kills, stuns last 2 seconds so thats 2 seconds where the healer cant heal whoever your bursting
amber escarp
This is what I hate about PvP having been simplified. It’s simple on the surface but there are little nuances that make things just a tad harder but are hard for inexperienced folks to grasp.
It’s why I get so frustrated when pepegas use “9buttonlul” as a reason not to PvP lol
modern tendon
Wheres the best place to find statics for PvP?
I was wanting to get into Feast but I can barely find matches, I've found like 1 training match but thats it. Ntm Rival Wings
amber escarp
Rival Wings look at pins.
Feast is solo queue unless in training. Also look at pins. @modern tendon
Need to keep in mind that anything beyond dailies and casual shit takes a bit to pop. Yes even PF for ex and savage takes a bit to fill and sometimes they don’t even fill.
modern tendon
@amber escarp Cheers, thanks for the help
amber escarp
no prob man
normal tinsel
did you just assume their gender?
amber escarp
devout harbor
remote merlin
tepid matrix
@elfin temple a bit late, but it's also worth noting that ranged dps have 2500 less health than a healer and the bad ones are often prone to either standing in the open unprotected or running away from/line of sighting their own healer, making them much more vulnerable than healers
Especially if the healer has attunement as their role action ( crazy self heal and damage reduction on self in return for being unable to do anything for 2 seconds), it can be a better idea to focus the ranged dps down first rather than the healer
rare ocean
How good is Samurai in Feast?
amber escarp
You burst on cue by using the countdown button.
You pick the shit up. Medals.
You use your brain and don’t just charge in like Leroy fucking Jenkins
Samurai is good. Look at pins though if you want to get into PvP.
rare ocean
It's mostly for the garo mounts
amber escarp
That’s completely fine. Those servers are there to help. Serious question and I don’t mean any BM but why do people always say that when I bring up joining a discord server to learn
So often I get “I just want garo mounts / marks / glamour” etc but the resources are there to help with that
I feel like people get intimidated.
I just want to understand the other point of view
rare ocean
I've been on this server for a while now (mostly on #archived-lore-spoilers ), but I heard that the mounts won't be obtainable when 5.1 hits, so I'm rushing to get them now
amber escarp
I mean true. But that didn’t address my curiosity lol.
rare ocean
First feast game went great, we got spawncamped until it was over
amber escarp
That’s what’s happens when everyone is as new as you are. Don’t focus on winning, focus on improving
Also you aren’t even in the servers I suggested. If you want to improve you should use the resources available.
restive lark
why improve at a mode youll forget exists after the 30 wins :^)
restive lark
this same line of thinking has been encouraging me to spend days where i just duo with people to help them get their wins
restive lark
ive never gotten punished on OF, either lucky or i pick my words well rofl
remote merlin
thorn ocean
for ppl on Light: RW is popping now if you guys want to play! seems to be multiple games
cedar torrent
Such a busted healing class
eternal root
Come back when you're healing 1.3M like the real pros
plucky scaffold
What's the best time to do Feast matches?
leaden bane
Prime time for your datacenter, i.e. 4PM - 11PM in your datacenter's timezone. Ranked won't pop unless there's an active season, so right now it's only training that will pop.
remote merlin
Funny how you even have to tell people that 
All square has to do is a quick hot fit to switch ranked off when there isn't a active season but I guess that's to hard
leaden bane
It'd be a good solution, but it's a common enough question that it's sort of a default response 
remote merlin
No one does it not even sure why it's there it's a failure of a system and if you tell me it's because you can get a early ranked boost next season then it doesn't matter when no one ques it anyways for it
Like just disable it to avoid any confusion
Lol
normal tinsel
diamond garo farmers
remote merlin
cedar torrent
@eternal root Match didn't last long enough, adder and mael were tunneling on each other. I was just lobbing out heals, cards, and dropping gravity on over extending packs.
elfin temple
I dunno how one dude gets 98 frontline victories in a week.
I've played 14 matches and have won 4. XD
amber escarp
When you’re MNK defending your base alone and another solo MNK keeps coming back trying to capture it. https://youtu.be/JHQa1SA3EtI
plucky scaffold
@leaden bane Thanks for the answer!
eternal root
@cedar torrent Don't worry I was just messing with you :p
cedar torrent
I was just pointing out that it was the fastest field of glory I've ever had
hardy rapids
anyone having problems in frontlines? keeps dcing me during a match
rare ocean
Can someone ELI5 rival wings for me before I head into a match?
carmine plank
kill mammets for ceruleum or just pick it up off the ground in middle of map. Buy robots with ceruleum. Destory their towers/base with robots.
elfin temple
I'm having problems with Frontlines. I can never win them! :U
cedar torrent
Sometimes you just can't control 24 other people
bold pawn
Are there any how-to melee guides for frontlines?
Feels like I'm just waiting around for an idiot to separate from the rest to get an opportunity to fight
Also, monk good or monk bad
I did check the pins and didn't find a melee guide there
elfin temple
Is it confirmation bias, or does Maelstrom seem to win more consistently?
I feel like I almost never win with the immortal flames...
bitter shore
yeah i feel like that too
rare ocean
I read on reddit that maelstrom wins more often and people recomend switching to them for the Garo mount wins
elfin temple
That's what I wound up doing. I feel kind of dirty about it, but I also don't feel like running into a brick wall over and over again
rigid tartan
From someone who's been DC hopping, Primal seems a lot more evenly balanced, but Crystal, Mael has been dominating the past few days.
Of course, I haven't been back to Primal in weeks, so, feel free to correct me.
amber escarp
When people get on flames, people follow the meme that flames sucks and end up not trying
Which only fuels the stereotype that flames sucks even more
rigid tartan
See, I always thought it was Flames are super agressive, but they WILL jack you up. Mael are the strategists, and will usually focus Objectives better, and Adders are the sneaky ones with the back-door strats.
That was my experience.
amber escarp
It's mostly just confirmation bias that affects these things, sort of the thing that comes with having 3 way pvp
rigid tartan
True, but with Freelancer, it muddies it a bit.
amber escarp
freelancer is mostly people just doing it for the tomes
people serious with wanting to win usually go mael and turn freelancer off
that is if they're crazy enough to farm wins solo and not in a pre-made
rare ocean
Are there 2 or 3 teams in rival wings?
rigid tartan
Two
wary nymph
Yeah stastically 50% chance to win in RW over 33% chance in frontlines. If you go in solo with no premade
knotty olive
anyone running Frontline rn?
rigid tartan
Greeeat. Now all the Adders and Flames jumped to Mael, and Mael is losing non-stop.
It's almost like, if you act like an idiot, it doesn't matter what banner you're flying
rigid tartan
So, heads up to all you win chasers: All mael have moved to Adders, so you can go back there and ruin that
mild mural
Similarly, if you understand the modes/maps and play well, it doesn't matter what GC you're in. Been saying that for over 2 years now.
rigid tartan
Same gripe from different sides.
It's the people who don't understand but think a different banner will make them win.
mild mural
Yeah. Unfortunately though, no amount of confirmation bias ever made it true.
If anything, premades are the literal proof how false GCs having a sway over wins is because they do well (if they know what they're doing) but are forced to freelance
tepid matrix
In less populated times I know some people try to organize "mael premades" by just counting off and queuing at the same time
no idea how that works out for them
rigid tartan
I think there is a case to be made for like minded people gathering under the same GC, and some factions drawing certain players, I.E. Flames being more agressive.
That being said, that's a whole different kettle of popotos than 'MaEl AlWaYs WiNs
mild mural
Before 4.0 and before Freelancer in 3.5, the idea popped up several times and you'd see people switching GCs to try and be in the GC with the players that consistently did well. But all that happened each time was that GC would get weighted down, the good players would move, then the other GC would start to do well. . .
Saw this cycle happen at least 4 times
It was a wildly different playerbase for PvP then. Higher skill, more common knowledge among players, and fewer people just in it for rewards; there weren't that many back then anyways.
But when Freelancer came, one thing we DID know was, after playing with and against each other for so long, GCs just really didn't matter any more. We could play well wherever we ended up
This newer PvP community has stubbornly refused the idea, preferring placebos and confirmation bias to make up their minds for them. And people just in it for rewards were happy to just blindly accept it as fact.
rigid tartan
All I'm saying is there's a difference between acknowledging the difference between the types of people who prefer the different GCs, and between saying 'Mael always wins because they're Mael.'
orchid fable
Ive never played hidden gorge cause the wait times are so long, but damn it looks fun. Plus a 50/50 win chance means getting that certain id key is gonna go quickly-ish
mild mural
It's not terribly difficult, though SE added a lot of extra things to the new map that can be a little confusing to newcomers
amber escarp
Was lucky with caster LB
remote merlin
Nice!
mild mural
You can emote someone and find out who they are, but most just remember glams.
carmine plank
can also just right click their name in your target HUD and click examine
mild mural
/echo commands work too
I have a macro:
/echo Potential Threat: <t>
Shows me, and only me who that person I'm targeting is
restive lark
i like when people recognize me and try to 1v1 me, very fun
digital blaze
I know this is a bit late to ask, But anyone interested in getting Garo Mount (Goten) which requires 30 wins in The Feast PVP before it becomes unobtainable?
To make it easier we can try making custom match as two teams & see if it counts.
restive lark
it doesnt
normal tinsel
i would get on that training match grind rn, either solo or with a duo
5.1 will be later this month
lean hollow
carmine plank
all stats are equalized based on your role. a level 40 bard is equal to a level 80 bard.
digital blaze
I think you can try PVP starting from lvl 30
glass crypt
44/60 for the last garo mount achievement, any pvp will do, worth waiting for the longer feast queues or try my luck with frontlines for the last 14 wins?
mild mural
Feast might be less of a headache given that you won't need to deal with anyone just sorta there for moogle tomes or whatever
glass crypt
i wondered that, feast just seems to be 30+ min waits for df to pop consistently whenever i try to queue
remote merlin
I would recommend Frontlines
Frontlines is extremely active atm thanks to moogle
So its way faster pops then feast
Granted it's 33% chance at victory, but it's better then doing nothing waiting for a 30m+ feast dead que as your said
remote merlin
True but that doesn't pop all the time unlike Frontline
That's only certain days
I meant in general
mild mural
Can't speak for other data centers but it's been popping daily on Aether during this moogle thing
wary nymph
Every datacenter, every day..
remote merlin
I mean if these folks are right about it popping frequently and daily then I guess it's a better option as it's 50% instead of 33% to win
devout harbor
been popping consistently on chaos after 5pm after like 5 or so mins
hushed kayak
Can anyone confirm if the "road to 70" buff applies to exp earned in rival wings pvp?
mild mural
XP is XP. There shouldn't be any specific exceptions to the buff, and nothing was ever mentioned of that sort
As far as XP goes though, you can get more from nearly anything else. When people started botting and afking for XP in PvP, SE nerfed it for all but first place.
viscid ridge
rival wings dead af rn
remote merlin
Then que Frontlines
neat vault
Hope I'm not waiting 84 years in this frontline roulette queue lol.
crisp belfry
in my experience its closer to 84 seconds lol
neat vault
Took about 16 minutes. Lost the match but it was fun lol
remote merlin
Sometimes insta pops to
mild mural
RW queues usually start at 8PM EST and go til whenever
cedar torrent
Frontline queues have been really quick in the afternoon/evening
tawny quail
is there a guide for monk pvp ?
remote merlin
There's no community made job guides until 5.1 when we get a more complete PvP kits
amber escarp
just fucking get good LOL
it's not that difficult, you just need to learn how to read tooltips lmao
tepid matrix
feast imo is best done by getting decent at ast healing
Then you can reliably ensure that your team will at least get close to the "not dying" part of the win
neat vault
Wow Flames are awful.
People shit on them in forums, they get shit on in games.
Why is IF so bad?
fallen portal
flames has been winning a few match in frontlines when i tried today
neat vault
They won too after I switched off FL.
This last game was pretty good tho. Caught up to IF & Add then when they were having s huge fight took the win from them in a close game lol. Frontline is fun when your team coordinates.
desert hound
this event has brought too many of the toxic parts of the community into pvp
and i really cant wait for it to end
remote merlin
The event brings toxic parts of the community? More like new players. Sorry we all can't be amazing at the game lol
desert hound
lol?
nothing wrong with new players
sounds like you might have a guilty conscience
plucky mango
i have been AST healing yesterday and today
and im getting a 25% winrate
i have no idea what im apparantly doing wrong
its stupid that the game disables chat in feast
neat vault
I didn't know that.
Then again I've been on the Frontline Roulette nearly all day. Even went 11-1 with PLD.
plucky mango
like this game for instance
im getting stunned constantly
and my teammates are off attacking their tank
i just stood there getting attacked by 3, just mashing benefic 2
and their entire team was at full health
i dont understand
neat vault
What's your GC?
wanton ether
question does feast practice count toward the goten mount achievement?
amber escarp
yes
normal tinsel
if you're on heals don't be greedy with your cooldowns and use them
amber escarp
You're not suppposed to be spamming benefic 2 over and over again
read
your
tooltips
it's not that fucking difficult LMAO
knotty olive
anyone looking to spam frontlines? im not that great but it would be fun to find other people who wanna play
tepid matrix
What datacenter
It was in the middle of the workday for most of NA, so pvp queue gonna be dead
Rival wings particularly has a community that organizes during set times through their discord. Not sure about the info for time or discord tho <.<
amber escarp
Rival Wings queues will pop in 1-2 minutes from 5 pm PST until people go to bed
Usually into the early morning PST right now
That's in ~90 minutes
leaden bane
yeah, if you're going to queue for pvp at non-primetime hours for your datacenter, rival wings is the least likely to pop since it has a larger player requirement compared to frontlines
leaden bane
Probably easier than frontlines IMO if you're willing to put in the effort, since you only have to account for 3 teammates as opposed to 23. Good luck!
amber escarp
play AST, press buttons, receive 60%+ win rate
I've been doing pretty good at grabbing wins on DRK but when I get a healer who doesn't know how to press buttons or God forbid a SCH on my team it's just gg go next
mild mural
Been saying for a long time now, knowing what to do in each mode, and being able to play your job(s) well holds far more weight than what color your team is.
Someone put out the biggest lie of XIV 2 years ago when they convinced people they HAD to be on one particular team to win. And unfortunately a lot of new people at the time bought it.
The rest was a product of confirmation bias, lack of competitive spirit, lack of will to learn/follow up, and low morale.
As a long time player, it's heartbreaking to see, especially seeing how so many before were willing to learn and fight to win, no matter where they were.
remote merlin
I don't think that was a lie at the time
Keyword: at the time
Game was a different state then currently it had to have some truth in the matter if the masses believed it
mild mural
It was never true. Not any of the 4 times I saw people try to swap GCs before Freelancer.
People swapped, weighed down that team, the good players switched, then suddenly the team they switched to was the one that "always wins".
There's just no substitute for skill. Definitely not a team color.
fallen portal
does anyone know why i cant queue into Fields of Glory (shatter) as any job?
its said duty changes everyday at 10pm earth time?
carmine plank
the pvp maps rotate, and only 1 map is playable each day.
right now it's seal rock in NA, and come 8am server time it'll be shatter that becomes the map of the day.
rare ocean
Why do I always hear that Maelstrom always wins in Frontline? I'm playing as Maelstrom and it doesn't seem much higher than 33%
mild mural
Because someone said that 2 years ago after the rework when there were a lot of new people to PvP that bought the idea and ran with it.
It doesn't matter what team you're on, it matters that you know how to play the modes and your job(s) well. Do that, and you can do it regardless of team color
restive lark
Individual player skill plays a factor? Blasphemy!!!!! Clearly only mael wins no matter what!!!
rare ocean
I want to get one of the ADS mounts, but Frontline is just so much less fun to me than Rival Wings
mild mural
Right now, Frontlines wouldn't be much fun. You have a lot of people there that otherwise wouldn't be there if not for this mog tome thing. They don't normally PvP. They don't, or barely understand what to do, and they're up against others who also don't/barely know, or worse, others that do know. Since even 2.x, much of the common knowledge of PvP is by word of mouth - word of mouth that was often wrong or biased. It's bad enough much of the old community that really understood it pretty much walked away after the 4.0 rework, but in the absence of their experience, the new community that sprung up didn't bother trying to learn. They're "just here for" the rewards, and as such would accept whatever convenient reasoning is put out there.
That's where objectives > kills, "let them fight", "switch to [X GC] to increase your chance of winning" and a lot of other really bad info comes from. And with Frontlines full of fairweather players that only really ever heard these things right now, it's not much fun for anyone.
fallen portal
Thats how i feel everytime i do front lines now... Alot ppl seems like they dont know how to pvp & just casually chase into a group of enemies just to kill 1 single target :/ like why would u do that?
mild mural
Though I may do that at times, I do it confident I can secure the kill and get back out alive. I started leaving disclaimers on some of the stunts on my channel, "don't do this unless you're confident you can pull it off"
fallen portal
thats fine if they know what they are doing but goin as blm to a group of 20 ppl in entire GC to kill one target is dumb lol
mild mural
Yeah, that'd be even more reckless than I'd be willing to try
knotty olive
i love frontlines but i wanna get into Feast, any macros or tooltip/videos to reccomend
remote merlin
Go to pinned messages and watch brians what is feast video it's pretty good to get a idea of feast
He also has guides for healer caster and dancer if you happen to main those roles that would be a good watch to!
shadow wigeon
I can't seem to get a single win in Feast
amber escarp
I recommend having "Hello," all of the "Attacking (role)!" variants, countdown, and "Pick up the medals" in easy reach
shadow wigeon
I have them
amber escarp
Melee or tank usually picks the target, ranged tries not to die, and healer spams heals
shadow wigeon
For some reason my team just melts
amber escarp
90% of the time both teams just focus each others' ranged dps and the first one to drop tends to start a snowball
One thing that can be pretty effective is target switching
At the start, playing drk, I'll usually unmend the healer to make him afraid for his own life and then swap over to the ranged to burst them
amber escarp
drg is pretty good
I see a lot of it
Also if you kill each member of the enemy team once, you get enough medals to win if none of your team dies
so it can be worth killing the enemy tank after their healer is down
shadow wigeon
Easier said than done.
Ugh I hate feast
Why is one of the mounts locked behind 30 of it
amber escarp
i got a really good winrate out of just playing drk and being a massive people abuser
amber escarp
you're not forced to get the mount lmao
your degree of responsibility is smaller in feast than it is frontlines if it's reaching a point where you cant get a single win over a large sample the problem is probably you
mild mural
It has been around since patch 3.5. . .
north stream
I have barely even stepped foot into the pvp hub, is there some up to date video guide or something I'm kinda curious
remote merlin
If you haven't stepped into PvP at all I would recommend practicing in wolf den hitting dummy's and getting use to actions and sorting those unique PvP hotbars to your liking
worn pilot
Anyone for some pvp ? Lich ?
remote merlin
Grats!
devout harbor
bro check pins
hallow vale
@elfin temple grats! I got Goten yesterday too
remote merlin
Grats to you to
elfin temple
So, pvp is getting more skills added to it?
remote merlin
Yea In 5.1
devout harbor
Yeah more sustain and Survivability skills is all we know
That could be individual skills on a per job or role basis
Or they could just give everyone the same
We don't know yet
amber escarp
When does frontline map change?
remote merlin
Every morning at 8am PST
normal tinsel
brd will be s-tier next patch
fallen portal
is ninja gonna be even more greasy in 5.1? 😂 nin is super annoying to kill sometimes
amber escarp
What do tanks do in PvP?
bully people
In rival wings you can roam the map freely and usually 1v1 people you catch out.
In frontlines you absorb enemy fire and single out targets to hold down while your teammates punch.
In feast you're the main source of disruption on your team and work with your dps to peel or burst priority targets, and also you're the best person to grab medals.
Thats great thank you
spring hazel
Am I alright to ask for advice here for pvp?
or should that stay in #questions-and-help
spring hazel
what exactly is my role as a monk in frontline
do I stay back with ranged dps and body guard?
bronze laurel
you go bombard ranged and healer if you had chance to push
because melee deals damage stronger to ranged
also more defense to ranged as well
spring hazel
but then I get focused down immediately and die 
restive lark
swap to earth and knockback the melees on you
spring hazel
what about the ranged that focus me down
restive lark
rely on your healers
spring hazel
the tomes are what I need
bronze laurel
@spring hazel you won't died by ranged that easy if you change the stance to earth
flat panther
rival wings gives tomestones as well and it's not as much of a mosh pit fest as frontline
spring hazel
to be honest I never even considered earth
flat panther
tbh frontline is easily the worst pvp mode of the bunch
smoky steppe
One of my fastest feast wins, it’s training mode tho
mild mural
I found one that shows knowing what to do outweighs what color your team is. 🍷
cedar torrent
It's honestly a generic meme, recently I've seen third place just teaming up with first place to wreck second place and end the matches faster
That match is fun because you can steal points
hallow vale
Grats, now aim for 100 victories for the mount!
Yeah especially on secure, the heliodrome drones can really turn the match around.
It's 150 points if you can get all 6 of them uncontested
silent basin
@mild mural Indeed.
mild mural
🍷 cheers to that!
silent basin
🥂
wary nymph
new - commentary style. DNC guide is pinned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ3JKULVRlk
comment on youtube if this style is useful for you
elfin temple
Now that I have my mado horse collection, I can play the rest of the game!
silent basin
That's exactly what I said and then I started looking into the other mount achievements. 
remote merlin
Difference is those are forever though
Garo are limited as you know, can pace yourself with those additional achievements if you feel burned out after the rushing to finish the garo grind xD
worthy rose
tanks = ez carry
fallen portal
Anyone know how is the queue on Rival Wings in aether? Is it as fast as Frontlines?
Considering if i should try for the gorillaz robo mount xD
rigid pivot
sounds like 8v8v8
bright tiger
Hope so
rigid pivot
I kinda prefered 8v8v8 so im bummed but thats because i like playing melee classes in it
faint fulcrum
remote merlin
Good the full party premades needed to go
24 man leaving sucks though means Frontline will be 100% dead at sleep hours
carmine plank
what a drag, I vastly preferred 24man to 72
shrewd lava
72 man devolves into a one sided bulllying by th e other two
nevermind that there are those that stray from the blob
mild mural
The idea is for your team's 3 alliances to work together yet individually, especially in Secure.
Few do that, but the ones that do often have an advantage for being able to multitask
lyric kettle
mild mural
No idea. Would be nice, but I doubt they'd put the contest winner stuff behind PvP
devout harbor
Could be
It's not dungeon gear
We haven't received pvp gear for shb yet
It could be alliance raid gear
What I'm wondering is
What is proof?
I.e champion proof s14 etc
It it just renamed letters people get for top 1/10/100?
remote merlin
Pretty sure just to make them more unique I assume instead of voucher 11-100, 2-10, 1 like they are called currently
Mount: Prometheus and Prometheus (variant) are obviously the S14 and S15 mounts
That dungeon boss for reference
Strong proof (top 100 voucher) proof of savior (top 10 voucher) champion proof (rank #1 voucher) would be my guess
Know what would be funny if that metal gear looking armor ends up being wolf collars instead of wolf marks because imo it matches the hellhound weapons scheme and a way to get new people chasing the collars for the armor to play the seasons
hallow vale
Finally got all 3 Garo mounts \O/
remote merlin
Grats!
hybrid kelp
Hi everybody! I'm currently doing the farm for Garo mounts so if you want to come it'd be a pleasure! Chaos - Ragnarok. Mostly DRG for the runs but can change as MCH o/
wicked moss
THAT FEAST MOUNT GONNA BE NICE
remote merlin
Gonna be a huge red drill car lmao
Now questions are
Is it gonna scale with races and are we gonna ride on top of it or inside it
Also I bet it's gonna reuse regalia animations
last oxide
How do you deal with an Enemy Astro player
Feels like they can insta heal all day long
and focusing in the beginning mostly leads to my death
remote merlin
Welcome to Astro needs a nerf
Hopefully they balance out the jobs for PvP on the 29th
amber escarp
Best strategy for dealing with an enemy AST from my experience is having an AST on your team
last oxide
alright thx 😄
normal tinsel
just do dmg which will force out their cooldowns like neutral sect, ED, and their aoe
getting them to use bene II often results in them having less mp
AST doesn't need a nerf
hopefully next patch the other two healers will be on the same field as AST
remote merlin
Yea it's either nerf ast
Or make the other two In the same field
Especially sch you can't tell me sch heal setup vs a ast heal setup is anywhere near fair and balanced
Lmao
restive lark
its fair and balanced, just run attunement 
lost steeple
Main thing for dealing with an AST is coordinating CC and bursting. They aren't as easy to juke as other healers due to the speed of their casts. Pretty much have to make sure their tank can't protect them and that they're CC'd during the last 50% of their health to prevent an ED/lightspeed
wary nymph
ya its a group effort which how pvp should be
royal lichen
As an AST, I think that advice is right on the money. I go down all the time to enemy teams that coordinate their damage and CC. The class is hardly immortal; it's just harder to pin down than the other two healers because it can instant heal while repositioning constantly.
Agreed that it either needs a nerf or the other two healers need a buff, though, especially SCH which is next to useless. WHM at least has a few good tricks.
In general, it's not that hard to out-DPS the healing ability of all of the healer classes, though. It just requires that you coordinate with your teammates, which the vast majority of DF groups do not. At all.
My enormous frustration as a healer is getting matches where I literally outhealed the enemy healer by 50% and we still lost because our DPS were all off doing their own thing.
leaden bane
in a more coordinated setting, AST is less 'overpowered' and more 'a picture of where a healer should be right now.' This game's PVP is very much designed around dealing a large burst of damage coupled with CC to prevent a defensive response as best you can, and while AST has some nifty tricks up its sleeve to stop a burst (Celestial opposition, specifically) those are lengthy cooldowns and AST is still reliant on its own team to manage to score kills to give it some breathing room.
royal lichen
^ this. So much this.
remote merlin
^^
keen turret
Once I get back home im going to start the impossible grind for the garo mounts
Amy organised effort on the omega/chaos DC?
remote merlin
GoodLuck!
keen turret
Tho 20+ min queues
So if any Omegle or other server folk on the DC are available i'd be grateful for the assist.
worthy rose
Either the most coordinated team ever or bots. Literally insta targeted by like 6 people at once
leaden bane
doesn't even need to be that coordinated, that many BLMs in an alliance can just Target To Attack 1 and start pooping out Fire 4s on a target and it's going to die with 4+ blms focusing fire
remote merlin
They sound like alt names or joke matching names
Pretty sure those are premade players lmao
flat panther
gotta love 8 player parties in pvp amirite
normal tinsel
damn it jp 😔
devout harbor
any group of players can all go the same job and group up and do it
dont blame premades
blame yourself for being lazy, un-motivated and un-coordinated.
mild mural
I recognize some of the names. They are legit players, and they are good players at that. They do coordinate strikes like that. Anyone can do it, few do.
It's as simple as mark a target, countdown, everyone attack that target
normal tinsel
they are farming nonpremades 😔
mild mural
They're just attacking other players, as is the norm in PvP. I don't think there's any directed focus except when there's actually another enemy premade present. But that's also normal.
boreal iris
It’s definitely frustrating... but it’s strategy... and as salty as I get when it happens to me... I wouldn’t give any cares if the tables were turned. And they always do. Keep that chin up!
@normal tinsel
normal tinsel
lol i was just memeing
boreal iris
Idk what that means but ok
mild mural
As shared elsewhere, but mentioned on the subreddit (best guesses aside from the few confirmed sets)
boreal iris
@granite otter yes
bronze laurel
@mild mural i feel like casting and healing are those robed outfit
and the aiming and scouting are the masked one
inb4 it's gonna be as drunk as eden gear
eternal root
I doubt the the clothed set on the Elezen is healer simply because it's not white. And the devs never make healer gear that isn't white.
Maybe they'll switch it up and have the black set be magic DPS and the other one ranged. The Hrothgar could be scouting
mild mural
Part of the reason the ones with the cloaks seem more like Aiming/Scouting is casters usually don't have survival knives on their gear, but Aiming/Scouting usually do. Fits a more scout/ranger/outrider-like aesthetic which the DEX jobs often lean toward
Granted, there's always a possible exception to the rule, so we'll see Tuesday
normal tinsel
i think it’s aiming because of the berret, the visor and the mic next to their face
and scouting has a knife strapped to their boots
mild mural
^
remote merlin
^^
mild mural
Whatever the case, I'll happily have one or even the majority of 2 of the sets upon login on Tuesday
carmine plank
hallow vale
Best pvp moments for me so far ws pulling clutch wins on Secure several times by reminding on alliance chat that there's still a set of drones at around 2 mins left mark. 150 points can be a game changer.
Worst was throwing a won match. 15xx points leading with less than 2 mins left. All we needed was to run around and not let the 2 teams catch us...
mild mural
150 points can make a big difference, but getting 4 or 8 points per 3 seconds for even half a minute is powerful. And there's still room for even more beyond that
keen turret
Had a close loss two days ago
Mael and Adder ended up both being in the 1500+ range
Adder just barely pulled ahead to win
mild mural
After all the nonsense about GCs for the past 2 years "Poor Maelstrom" would be the last thing you'd ever hear me say, lol
worthy rose
first time I've had a timeout in awhile
surreal jetty
winter canopy
no
carmine plank
Which healer
ripe arch
WHM and feast/Flontline
glad silo
I tend to use Atunement + Either Rescue, Purify or Sleep as AST
cedar torrent
I run attunement and protect; because rescue can be blocked by certain debuffs and the heal isn't much to write home about, and sleep can hit an immunity window where you wasted it or someone immediately wakes them up
glad silo
Yeah i generally take Purify + Attunement since most of the times i had to heal i was healing 2-3 alliances on my own where a well placed stun can make everyone die
radiant hatch
Me and my friend is grinding feast for Garo mounts, anyone wanna join?
remote merlin
The max is 2 players though to que feast together with
ripe arch
how often does the dev change skill kit of the job class?
i was watching feast vid from september 2019 and saw WHM still have the regen buff skill and so confused why I don't have that
normal tinsel
i'm assuming it was out of date footage of gameplay before 5.0 or on another DC that is behind on patches
hollow badge
Need one player for some 4v4 feast for garo mount.
amber escarp
I’m level 14 and new, just curious how and when can I start pvp?
ripe arch
i believe you need to be level 30 and complete the 2nd class change quest for your job
bronze laurel
fyi if those people got knockback immune, you can't rescue them
amber escarp
Thanks
dry glen
🙂
remote merlin
🙂
plucky finch
@ripe arch Major rework every expansion, small adjustments every patch and not every job gets a change each patch
Also WHMs still have regen, it's been changed to the lily action
But next patch there will be a major rework on PvP skills
rich moth
ye, adding pvp skills for jobs because people complained they have too few buttons (that they wont use probably)
ripe arch
I see thanks @plucky finch I'll wait for tmrrw pvp info then
white oyster
can you form fixed teams in PvP or is it always semi-random?
normal tinsel
in frontline you can have a party of 8
in feast you can only duo
you can also make a team and do feast ranked party but there is currently no season
so i wouldn’t recommend doing it
cedar torrent
BLM is a freaking scourge in feast
Especially when your team ignores them and they just delete your healer and ranged without much effort
white oyster
Dumb question no doubt but is it possible to "rig" games for those who want to get their hands on the GARO mounts?
white oyster
Okay
white oyster
how do you know whenever node/ice pillars will show up?
amber escarp
spawn times are the same every match
except that one pattern in shatter where ALL the small ice spawns at the beginning
white oyster
yeah, not a big fan of that one
ember skiff
anyone running feast trhats good that can tell me the priority of it all as every game i run is a loss and i still need the 30 for mounts
amber escarp
Feast meta is everyone rushes down the enemy ranged at the start and whichever team has an AST on it wins
remote merlin
Yep yep
And if you have a sch it's over
Also goodluck to any garo farmer who sees this today hope you get your wins and titles and mounts and gear!
ember skiff
it aint happening im always losing even with the optimal setup on my side
i hate this shit they do locking stuff beghind stuff molst of the players do not do
normal tinsel
garo has been out for years 😔
ember skiff
cool story not every one plays the stupid thing as its broken sorry what anyone says but heals being able to do what they do is broken unless its explained properly its a broken mess even in reg pvp
mild mural
@white oyster It's important to keep your map open in Frontlines for this very reason. You can resize and set it to go semi transparent when you move, and that way you'll see any and all objectives as soon as they go active
We're getting an update with 5.1 that will now highlight them 30 seconds before they go active.
normal tinsel
what about heals? 
ember skiff
broken healers in pvp not sure why they made them that way its stupid
feast is so bad
ppl dont focus anything and dont bother killing stuff at start
healers can heal thru a whole team on them yea nah
rich moth
Focus attack command is your friend
distant island
What do you feel makes healers broken?
atomic narwhal
you can forget about getting your titles today, way too many premades farming people who are quickly trying to get their last stuff out of the way
on the bright side, premades in frontline will be a thing of the past in 5.1 
remote merlin
Not surprising we have toxic people who are premade queing in the effort to block people to get last day wins not shocking at all lol
normal tinsel
hallow vale
How many hours left?
Yeah that is scummy but they could be chasing the wins needed too?
Or aiming for the other pvp mounts etc
normal tinsel
!maint
surreal tokenBOT
Tick, Tock, Kupo!
hallow vale
Condolences to the people who couldn't make it o7
carmine plank
rich moth
Premades will still exist but it will be cut down to 4 and matches will only be 72 people only so that’s great
I wish they’d finally make a roulette or put rival wings into frontline roulette.
plucky finch
F
But honestly, people had so long to get the achievements
What are peoples thoughts on the new pvp abilities?
A bit upset everyone gets bolt again, was nice as a melee having an advantage at catching up to people in Frontline
plucky finch
Tanks getting spammable AOE will make frontline a lot more fun though
leaden bane
general feelings:
tanks feeling more homogenized overall and look more like blue support DPS and the lack of CC is disappointing tbh but there's some neat stuff in there still
they might have actually made SCH playable
melees are a bit of a mixed bag, they lost their personal damage debuff on enemies but for drg/mnk/sam they look a lot smoother
ranged also a mixed bag, might have made BRD better, SMN looks nutty, BLM is still BLM, RDM looks eeh, MCH needs some hands on time
the AOE skills aren't really going to affect 4v4s since piling your team together was a mistake even in 4.x and was even worse of an idea in 5.0, 5.1 a lot of jobs got AOE that are mostly incidental and more for utility than the damage tbh but still really emphasizes not standing in a pile
mixed feelings on the personal heals, 1 charge every 30 seconds feels like a bit too much but they're trying to shift responsibility to individuals a lot more
lot of it remains to be seen, good portion of people feel like a lot of the AOE is just geared towards frontlines which is hard to deny, not really sure how this is going to end up playing out in a 4v4 environment yet
plucky finch
Well PvP is balanced around 4v4, why there was such a problem regarding AOE in Frontline / Rival Wings
So these changes are much needed so that those modes aren't really broken
worthy turtle
So uh. the new gear didn't come with any weapons?
remote merlin
Nope just gear
atomic narwhal
I don't think those premades yesterday were doing it to troll people
it's just easy to farm wolf marks that way
it sucks but such is life
worthy turtle
Do they normally release the pvp weapons later or something? Every 'themed' pvp set from previous expansions has corresponding weapons
severe tapir
nah
not anymore
they used to for ARR
but havent for the newest expansions like SB and SHB
glad silo
I feel like Ninja is stronger than before but it might just feel/looks like it
carmine plank
it feels a lot faster with 15% haste buff, 15s mudra, and 50 ninki bhavacakra
carmine plank
assassinate not stunning is weirding me out
hallow vale
Queued straight for daily frontline, not realising the changes
Having to unfuck your hotbar mid pvp was stressful lol
Also no more stuns on tanks :(
I can no longer sparta kick someone of high ledges reliably thanks to ping
carmine plank
every tank gets low blow which is a stun
hallow vale
Was it changed? I thought it was knockback only
Ah i see, they replaced it with stun
So knockback now goes on full swing
plucky finch
Yeah RIP full swing, but at least we got back nerfed Push Back from 2.X - 3.X days. One of my favorite PvP abilities lol
harsh girder
So I'm probably doing like a majority of the game's playerbase and wanting to do PvP now too, but how exactly do the rewards for Wolves' Den work? Do you get rewards no matter if you win or lose, or bonus rewards for wins?
mild mural
You can cap in 20 wins or 40 losses
hallow vale
You also get 1k from daily bonus
rich moth
Plus some for playing and winning rival wings, feast and frontline respectively via weekly challenge log
plucky finch
This new Shatter is actually fun omg
glad silo
I can feel the nerf in 2 weeks coming
Once you get Battle High 5 you literally destroy people in 1vs5
glad silo
the round afterwards
amber escarp
Just had a full party of ninjas are they op or something?
glad silo
Straight up broken
amber escarp
Rip
glad silo
I'm solo running around the map killing whatever i find
Like Ninjas Assassinate should only reset on a Kill not on a Assist
I don't even want to imagine what a 4 man Ninja Premade can do
The worst thing about NIN is that you literally can't counter it once hes starting to snowball
Except if you catch him offguard with like 15 people
glad silo
Right now i played like 6 rounds with 5 wins and every time we won i had between 23-28 kills 
sudden gull
Explains why a NIN dropped me as a MCH without me being able to half his health. Meh.
carmine plank
high damage high mobility high survivability what can go wrong
it's the tried and trusted WoW rogue model that has been so popular and everyone just loves rogues
glad silo
When a Nin sees a group of enemies with half health
Then its over cuz he will just Assassinate one and keeps getting reset after reset
The biggest counter to Ninja is running around in a big group or coordinated play
plucky finch
@sudden gull Don't forget melee DPS have less damage taken and higher damage done buff in Frontline and Rival Wings. As a DRG, I can 2 v 1 range DPS vs my DRG and still have a potion left to use.
As a range DPS, unless you can keep melee DPS away from you for the whole fight, you will die
And even then, you will be doing hits like 800 when their max HP is 17500.
Mix in bloodbath and 3 potions to use, a 4th as well if the cooldown goes off. The best thing to do as a range DPS against a Melee or tank is to just run or knockback them off a cliff
But that being said, mount speed has increased. So a lot more times when I'm fighting range DPS people, someone arrives to help out before long
So if you can keep up disables and distance from them, you can hold out for help to arrive
eternal root
Yeah basically if you're a ranged and encounter a melee or tank 1v1, just run. You won't win. Not even with an LB. You just aren't winning that fight. Even against a bad player you probably won't win.
They can 12,500-0 you in 10 seconds(including Potions)
glad silo
And when you're a group of like 5 people
When you see a lone Nin with Battle High 5 you might as well run
ripe arch
why would the game even has the mechanic that favor snowballing effect in the first place
mild mural
It's not uncommon to have a killstreak bonus or some other kind of incentive/reward/buff for top performers in a competitive mode. And before, the increased damage came with the trade-off of always being visible on the map, and worth more points to the enemy team if they took you down.
As it stands, it's generally expected that players would notice someone who seems to be scoring a lot of player KOs and earning points for their team that way and want to stop them. When they don't, that's when snowballing happens.
normal tinsel
to bad players are literally scared to fight in pvp
they just want to afk on nodes and hope the other two gcs ignore them while they sneak around and get all the nodes
glad silo
Dunno right now you either win by playing around objectives
Or by utterly crushing the enemy
Like when i go 30-0 that brought my team way more points than staying at nodes
Since a kill is 5 points and with 30 kills i got 150 Points for my team
mild mural
You can both play the objective and fight aggressively. That's literally all the premades generally ever did. Plus you gotta remember player KOs drop the enemy team's score, so if they're ahead, it's sometimes the better move to attack them to drop their score and help you catch up.
hushed maple
remote merlin
distant nova
rotund hound
remote merlin
distant nova
remote merlin
"Working as intended"
plucky finch
I've seen DRGs and other melee get as high as those scores. It's more a inexperienced people don't understand how to deal with melee DPS issue than a NIN issue
amber escarp
Obligatory NIN isn't OP / Bonus: Flames never wins
plucky finch
So satisfying being high damage as a tank
amber escarp
@amber escarp hi
crystal valve
Hello is there like a video guide/pov for tanks in pvp?