yeah
#archived-player-vs-player
amber escarp
amber escarp
Just played against a group of all chickens glams in frontline.. Needless to say they lost
bronze peak
are they pathetic or are you an asshole
solid bough
devout harbor
amber escarp
so no one is really playing pvp? 
lost steeple
There are people playing, but most people already got their ranks and are going to sit on them, and it's also the lull before the expansion
amber escarp
It's popping. The people "sitting" on their ranks aren't going to be in low rank matches anyway so you guys will will be okay to queue.
amber escarp
people dont sit on their ranks
the leaderboard makes it look like that but that's because it saves your highest peak rating
people are playing to surpass their peak rn and it's popping atm
amber escarp
Pretty much that
But people will believe it no matter what we say, so just go with the flow. It's true, even if all the top players went AFK rest of the season it won't affect the lower rank folks lol
stoic sedge
Is Machinist viable in PvP environments?
stoic sedge
Neat!
amber escarp
It's viable. Check out the MCH guide for godo info
surreal forge
If I wanted to make some short term premade parties for winning seal rock where would I go to do that?
strange cloud
MCH bursts are less often. But more potent than e.g. BRD. All ranged play quite different...
surreal forge
huh, I didn't know draws could happen. It's 1k seals so I guess both us and flames won?
cedar torrent
amber escarp
patent berry
Can anyone give me good macros for targeting each player on feast
I’m a ps4 player and find it hard switching targets
amber escarp
/target <e1>
Change number to their appropriate slot on the enemy party list
For your own party remove the e
pseudo tulip
is there a feast specific aether discord, i wanna get my 30 win mount
amber escarp
yeah a few in the pins here
if you just want to garo farm though put a pf up advertising it and you can all queue into training
amber escarp
no prob
restive lark
It's all preference in playstyle
MCH is more all or nothing burst. Bard is consistent burst.
faint elk
yaaay
amber escarp
Congratulations!
strange cloud
BRD can also pressure multiple targets with debuffs so it doesn't become too clear who you're pressuring down in The Feast.
amber escarp
the DoTs do very minimal damage though
they are mostly used to build up burst or disguise your true target
mystic warren
I was wearing a title and didn’t get credit towards that achievement for wins
do I need to be on the job that earned it?
mystic warren
Yeah, I checked all three since they’re all grouped together.
mystic warren
ah, thanks I’ll give that a try!
mystic warren
just tested and it finally counted. yay, thanks again!
surreal forge
finally! Now I can start saving up for those emotes!
amber escarp
I wish the feast rewards werent 100% unquie with zero non-stop 100 variants... like I get you want to draw people in but top 100 is such a small fraction.
Like why not make the armor dyable and then make non-dyable variants for lower ranks/wolf marks/etc
Or at least make the very old ones slowly show up
Cuz looking at the old feast rewards is nothing but sadness
surreal forge
where can I see old rewards?
amber escarp
Honestly dont
It will only bum you out
If you really want to tho, click previous seasons here then click rewards
So much unique gear and mounts locked behind pvp
Not just pvp tho
Top 100 or bust
So less then 1000 players in the whole game have any of these items
surreal forge
oh wow that's some premium edgelord stuff
amber escarp
Some of it is
But some of it has some actually nice looking pieces
Also the Judge Set looks great
surreal forge
oh I see, play enough seasons and you can eventually get them all
amber escarp
That is this season
N9
No#
You will never get any of those
They are gone forever
That's the problem
All those armors and mounts are completely unobtainable
And so far none have ever been obtainable again
surreal forge
oh I meant the hellhound gear
amber escarp
Yah those are fine
surreal forge
I didn't notice the other sets though
amber escarp
But everything else there is only 800 of in existence
Or less
100 per data center
surreal forge
those trophies are awesome kind of envy
I wonder how much Faye Previn pays people for wins
amber escarp
I just think it's stupid to have them totally locked out like that
Like at least make variants
Sure let them have a special version
With some effects, or only theirs be dyable (honestly glowy effects would be the most "pvp" flashy way to do it)
But nope
They are just completely gone forever unless Yoshi-P decides to do something
surreal forge
I think it's neat to have limited time competitive rewards since it's all vanity
amber escarp
Yah but entirely exclusive sets?
Even super high end raids dont get limited time armor sets
We have 3 data centers now
The census says we have 250k active players
(Na)
So if only 300 people get this set
surreal forge
I think it's fine. I view it the same as holiday event items or collab events.
amber escarp
Then .12% of people have it
surreal forge
maybe they will put them on the mog station some day 💵
amber escarp
But everyone has access to holiday events, they come back, they aren't limited to 100 people, and worse case they are on mogstation
That would be like if they made an event where only the first 100 players got the event armor
.12% is ridiculously low
surreal forge
yeah that's what makes it premium! Special!
Think your ultimate clears are hot stuff? Check out this edgy coat I got!
it's the ultimate flex
amber escarp
Yah except ultimate clears can be done at any time
This is a short limited time and if you dont get it oh well
surreal forge
Exactly! Now Feast is the real endgame.
amber escarp
...
amber escarp
Like it's a stupid practice and I wish something was done about it
Top 100 is such a small fraction, its literally a fraction of a fraction
It is it is 1/10 of 1/100
surreal forge
but if everyone had it, it wouldn't be special anymore
amber escarp
That's why they should do a variant version
Like an undyable one
Again even endgame raids dont get this kind of treatment
People threw a fucking fit over coil having it's own story
And raids dont even get their own gear anymore
They get dyable variants
surreal forge
people also threw a fit over MSQ single player duties. Sad!
amber escarp
With higher ilevel
I mean I think it's stupid to defend a practice like this but guess that's just me
surreal forge
I just like that it's a badge of honor you can wear. "I got this back then, no one else!"
It's cool to have timed rewards like that
amber escarp
Again they can still have that by making it dyable or have a unique property
But it is an entirely unique model
surreal forge
no this is our model and you can't have it!
amber escarp
Nothing looks remotely like it
surreal forge
for real though I am surprised there's so many pvp glamours I had no idea existed. It would be interesting if they cycled them or something
or maybe lock them behind achievements after the fact so you could actually earn them later
surreal forge
We got a mount that requires 2000 S rank marks we're not strangers to nightmare grinds already
amber escarp
With how fast old ones die >_>
But yah at least you can always get that
Unlike these
Anything would be better then the current model, even if it is still feast only
Through the Feast Vendor or a New one
amber escarp
You don't need to own every item in existence in an MMO. If you want the gear then queue up and climb
If you can't compete because of RL then... That sucks. It be like that sometimes. Sometimes I just don't have the time to queue so I miss out on rewards. Oh well tough titties.
Every set had been released two seasons in a row
If in that time you couldn't find the time to climb then you're too busy to collect every item in an MMO, or you aren't good enough to climb.
amber escarp
That still doesn't change the fact there is nothing as restrictive or rare on the pve end of the game
amber escarp
You had me till you said "tough titties" your opinion is now invalid! 
amber escarp
amber escarp
I do agree with the opinion to add the old ranked season rewards to the collar shop some of those items been exclusive for +2 years it's definitely been enough time to add them in again
Comparing it to PvE is dishonest.
You do the content, you get the reward, simple right?
Thing is with PvP, the content is always changing, it's dynamic.
The meta of last year is different from the meta of this year, as well as the players, the abilties, maps, and even system.
I think at best the previous expansions Feast rewards should he available for collars at the current rate weapons are. I'd prefer they be a version that can't be dyed too but wouldn't be upset if they are
Season 1 and 2 rewards represent a time period just as much as season 5 and 6 do.
I want my s1 coat 
And you can't replicate that experience ever.
You can sort of replicate that experience with PvE, but with PvP you can't.
It's kind of why other MMOs also do the same system, where PvP items are gone forever once a season passes while PvE items are still obtainable
So just like how an UCOB and UWU weapon represent how you partucipated in beating UCOB/UWU, season armor/mounts represent how you participated in a season.
Giving it away through a feast vendor or whatever will obscure and kind of remove the representation of a challenge.
Feast vender requires seasons of participation I think it's a fair trade
Least two for just one weapon
Seems fair imo
Especially with a +2 year old rewards
That's not the point.
You can turn back the clock and enter old raids but you can't do the same in pvp.
I still hate myself everyday for not participating in feast in time for season 1 and 2 and season 5 and 6.
But I know that it's meant to represent a time period that I wasn't in.
Honestly if it's about pride and representation they should add them but under a different name to differentiate the old players who played that season and the new ones who bought it in the shop
Like "replica lone wolf coat"
Instead of "lone wolf coat"
Or replica is gray color and original is green or blue icon
okay
let's also make UwU and UCOB items obtainable from a dungeon
but alter the name a little bit too
They are gonna be easier to get throughout time
With unsync and stuff
I'm just Saying some of these rewards are really old and they Should just give new players a new reason to play feast seasons for the collars
I think he's talking uwu and ucob that will always be synced
Not just regular Savage content
They are locked sync?
Yeah don't think SE is going to unsync
If so I doubt that would last forever they would probably allow unsync or nerf it after some time
Not sure if just in 4x or forever
Ultimate is like the first time square made PvE content more of like a competitive thing.
And honestly I hope to god they make it more competitive.
Like exclusive rewards for being the first 50 or 100 to beat the content.
I'm surprised folks haven't been making a stink about it asking for it to be handed out just like they do for feast lol
WoW gives achievements for the first few people completing it.
FFXIV should do the same.
flat sail
Should I only use the abilities in my PvP profile while in PvP?
These are the only one I should use?
rancid belfry
these are only ones you can use at all
flat sail
Do I want to use Shield oath?
amber escarp
the damage output for pvp is ridiculous compared to pve
you always want tank stance unless you're bursting
long pier
Are frontlines still plagued with bots?
amber escarp
Sometimes
warm nexus
Just a little more time to go I'm sure.
amber escarp
hidden gorges is a dead duty and doesn't even get pops in japan where people are more open to pvp there
RW in general is just a waste of resources
we were promised a new FL map but they changed their mind to make 2 dead duties instead
a damn shame
humble girder
hidden gorge usually pops on Saturdays 5pm 9pm pst
rain swift
Rival Wings is more fun than Frontlines though
amber escarp
I agree
amber escarp
I prefer frontlines
amber escarp
Rival wings because premades aren't ruining the fun for the other team
stiff hemlock
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crystal valve
First time pvp here. How do you pvp as a tank? When I run up to the enemy's healer, I just get cc'ed and bursted.
Also, all of my skills got rebinded, any way to set it up before a game starts?
amber escarp
Go to wolves den and you can setup your bar.
Running blindly into the enemy will never go well. What mode are you playing?
If Frontline you want to stand slightly forward to bait enemies to hit you, just like in other PvP games a tanks job is to make space. Remember that tanks are a CC machine so a tank moving forward means any of them can get CC chained and killed which makes them push back. Aka you just made space
That being said you need to assess what is going on. Are they baiting you in? Is another team coming from behind? Where's your healer etc
A good idea as tank is to have a 1 marker on your bar. Mark them as you CC then target and they should die.
Your job isn't to go unga bunga and try to solo people. Your job is to prepare the kill for your team and contribute with CC and damage
Now if it's feast that's a different story. Countdown goes out, you CC the target or the healer. The right choice depends on what's going on. Generally with a BLM if you bait the enemy purify you can secure a kill thanks to Nightwing from the BLM
crystal valve
I see, that sounds like a good strat
quaint wasp
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amber escarp
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amber escarp
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sage snow
what do ppl look for in classes for pvp? and which classes are good for pvp?
surreal forge
if you're new to pvp something ranged like BRD or MCH might be nice. Unlike PvE you want to time your cooldowns and execute dps in burst damage to secure kos quickly.
hidden cosmos
i don't understand why people in the feast don't listen to target marks
i'm disrupting the healer i want you to burn the guy on the enemy team with ALL the medals
but noo they have to come waste their time on their healer that i'm basically chasing around and burning their mp
i mean thats standard ff14 tactics, you chase/disrupt the healers right?
people always look for good healers
a good healer can basically block 2-6 peoples worth of focus fire in one go
bards are annoying bastards if they know how to kite
and sam can pretty much win any 1-1 engagement as long as they get the first hit in/caster doesn't realize to insta cast sleep on your ass or something
monks used to be the go to for disruption/ninja capping but they vanished once pvp rework happened, and sam took over their job
since monks had problems fighting other classes due to needing to rev up
hoary mango
I'm fairly new to Feasts due to the event ending and would like to get the 30 feast win mount before ShB, but I'm just not a fan of the mode. I feel my main complaint about the mode is the responsiveness is just not the same with the rest of the game. I go in as a healer and My heal goes off but the player's hp does not move or they die right when the spell goes off.
amber escarp
That happens in PvE too though. There's even a pic on Reddit of HG and Bene going off and the tank dies.
Not much can be done but to learn to account for it just like we do in PvE. I have a feeling your dislike isn't based off of that one issue though
Since if it was I don't think you'd like the game in general
amber escarp
That's the issue then, not the way abilities work. PvP isn't for everyone and it requires specific mindset. You will lose. A lot. And you won't know why. If that frustrates you instead of motivating you to find out why then ANY PvP probably won't be your cup of tea and that's completely fine
hoary mango
yea I'm more of a fan of the stuff I CAN control such as raid
amber escarp
More power to you. I like going against other folks more than doing the PvE dance. Everyone likes their own thing.
surreal forge
going in as healer for feast you basically have to hope your team is good
you have no control over damage output
so if they don't cc and burst you might as well just throw and move on
sullen ridge
pvp is one of the hardest things to balance in mmorpgs
amber escarp
That's every role. Go in as melee and if your healer gets solo killed by ONE DPS then you lose
Get a rDPS that can't hit buttons? GG
surreal forge
yeah but at least as healer you can decide when the match ends 🙂
amber escarp
Tank that doesn't understand the game and only trains healer? Meh
And there's lots of tanks that think their job is to sit on a healer lol
Basically every job deals with what you're saying. The way you climb is to look at what YOU could have done and improve. I guarantee that most folks in here can learn something even from the one sided matches
Also you're right it's about burst but also don't forget pressure is important too. It'll stress the healer out MP wise and IRL if there's constant pressure going
hidden cosmos
😄
best tactic in any game, make the other player clench
then they start making mistakes
even if they don't notice it
amber escarp
Pretty much yeah
It gets harder when you go against good players but it's still done
hidden cosmos
2 questions, one is, anyone on primal going to organize a feast/garo farm group at some point? Second, whats the fastest/best way to get wolf marks?
surreal forge
The Feast is also about making friends with your rival healer and talking about how much you hate your pug team!
hidden cosmos
i need to start working on cleaning out the shop but queues are like 20 minutes +
amber escarp
Just queue training. It has been popping aether, I would assume prima does too
hidden cosmos
i was lazy and didn't do my daily frontline for yeaars
primals pretty empty in that regard
primal had a huge pvp bot population
once they were gone the mode sorta died
and once the exp got nerfed
amber escarp
The biggest thing folks need to realize is that if you play to improve you'll climb. If you're just as bad as the person you're complaining about then you shouldn't be worrying about them.
Sadly lots of new folks are toxic to each other for whatever reason.
MY HEALER DIDN'T HEAL ME
hidden cosmos
thats the point
amber escarp
Well... Why are you pushed up? You know your healer is new
surreal forge
I got my wins in by doing ranked in primal, just finished my work about 5 days ago
hidden cosmos
if the healer isn't healing you then it means the other dps is doing a GOOD JOB
amber escarp
Just sit back and bait the enemy in. They're probably bad too
hidden cosmos
yuyuru how fast is ranked?
surreal forge
as healer, 30s to 10 mins
amber escarp
Yes. It also could mean your tank isn't peeling or the DPS are just going in blindly
amber escarp
Culling and melee DPS runs in without popping safeguard and you expect a new healer to heal that?
C'mon bruh lol
hidden cosmos
i'm actually a little questionable about something
amber escarp
You can't blame anyone but yourself there
hidden cosmos
how are the 2 dps supposed to burn down melee and ranged dps fast enough for the healer not to just top them off
like for casters its relatively easy
surreal forge
I've had players run behind walls and die then spam nice job at me
hidden cosmos
but the other two seem to be too bulky for it
amber escarp
Need to burst together
Look at pins and join pvpaissa
There are guides and you can look at streams to understand
hidden cosmos
well i mean like i know you have to burst but
it feels like it calls for too high of a sync for just random queues
surreal forge
there's callouts you can assign to hotbars, check your pvp profile
after that it's just hoping you aren't playing with a vegetable
hidden cosmos
also uh i forget what do melee dps take as their third trait again?
increased damage, increased action speed, and ?
i have tp regeneration myself
surreal forge
Are there cheats for pvp? I played against this one AST that was constantly moving and healing nonstop, as if they always had lightspeed on. Their mp was never being stressed out either.
hidden cosmos
not that i'm aware of
amber escarp
That's their ability
hidden cosmos
to my knowledge most healers just have huge gas tanks and high efficency
amber escarp
No lol
hidden cosmos
all you can really do is keep one guy on them at all times
amber escarp
That's your experience because they're going against bad players
But I see most new healers get solo killed by a tank lol
amber escarp
And you DONT want a person on healer all the time
That's terrible and gets no value
surreal forge
yeah as whm I just regen myself and ignore you lol
hidden cosmos
might be too used to frontline then
surreal forge
can get kind of dicey if the tank is ccing me but I've learned to keep my cool
yeah frontline is different and zergy
hidden cosmos
frontline is basically about forcing people out of range/distracting them and tricking people into over extending and splitting up
good to know ill stop chasing healers down then
if i recall frontline strategy is "force the healers to worry about themselves then have everyone else burn the called target down, repeat"
feast ranked match queues are 30+ and training are 8+ here
hoary mango
I know you said I'll loose a lot, but it's just frustrating when you que up for 6 matches and only win once
hidden cosmos
whats a good time to drop queue on a feast queue?
i've been sitting around for almost combined 30 minutes
i remember sometimes queues get buggy after the timer exceeds a certain duration
oh god i have seen proper feast play
match ended in about 30 seconds
so good :A:
amber escarp
If you're in NA don't expect pops. Is midday on memorial day weekend during dark week
Even PF for PvE will be slower
hidden cosmos
oh right so is feast queue or frontline queue better for just sheer wolf mark gain?
i mathed out i need something around like 160k seals to get all the remaining garo bits
feast should be faster from speed of queue and completion right?
amber escarp
Does crystal feast training pop? I need wolf marks for my Garo progression 
amber escarp
crystal doesn't do pvp
amber escarp
It did end up popping!
Just slow for the melee and rangeies roles atm
tried my first Training Match and we got demolished; are there meta classes for The Feast?
sage snow
im new to pvp what are the "most wanted" or "best" classes for pvp?
amber escarp
Anything except scholar and monk
amber escarp
That's for ranked feast though, if it's frontlines or rival wings or feast training just play your favorite role
amber escarp
even for training it sucks getting wiped though
two games in a row the opposing team out healed by 200k+
healing numbers mean nothing
if your team knows how to position themselves, safeguard properly, and kill things efficiently your healer wont have to heal that much
is there a guide or cheat sheet you may have? i looked over some google doc tips and tricks thing so far
humble girder
The most fails - lose I see in feast is when no one in a group has the chat commands on hot bar and people do not focus on same targets or ignore the calls if a person has them on their hot bar
amber escarp
I acknowledge when people use the attacking healer. I moved retreat onto my bar for when someone dies. I read burst is the way to go, and have been doing the most dps most games on my team.
hidden cosmos
like how well your team does is inversely proportional to the amount/skill level of casters
humble girder
yes a bad or first time healer is scary haha
hidden cosmos
its not even that like
amber escarp
I am playing RDM so perhaps it's my fault
hidden cosmos
they move too much
you know that thing like where people on controllers
and they sort of like walk in place/weirdly turn?
i see a ton of casters doing that
moving like a couple steps after every cast
amber escarp
i am kb + m and don't click abilities for pvp
hidden cosmos
or being too far back to support
amber escarp
how bad is this on my end; i obviously died the most but there being no chatting allowed in pvp makes it hard to ask others what i can do better
hidden cosmos
die less?
humble girder
14k dps is good
hidden cosmos
call out targets, save your burst and try to sync it with everyone
yeah
140k is pretty solid for a rdm
amber escarp
i save bursts, use "attacking healer" and "retreat"
idk what else to do, i am getting disheartened
hidden cosmos
its not always attacking the healer
humble girder
I usually will wait 30 min to a hour to que when you get a bad players on your team or good players on other
hidden cosmos
i am the bad playeeer ~
amber escarp
often ppl do not use any quick chat commands throughout the match
just a "Hello."
in the beginning
i am the only one 😦
hidden cosmos
i use too much on my end usually doesnt go well
i mean if someone knows what they're doing and coordinates us
i defer
amber escarp
i have only played 6 games so idrk what im doing
but when its a death or so in and no one communicates i try
Bard - 1 Loss
Red Mage - 2 Wins, 3 Losses
hidden cosmos
i seriously find that casters tend to net you loses more
they just sort of throw spells out
without a care on how to coordinate/target
amber escarp
what is ideal to play then?
hidden cosmos
i mean if you know what you're doing its fine
but majority of them are just like
they just cast things but not don't really think about it
amber escarp
should i just be queuing w someone too?
hidden cosmos
and then they get beat up
the only time casters seem to work is if they basically properly function as a artillery battery
humble girder
I think 2 ppl can que together outside of teams
amber escarp
i always see a DRG w a WHM
humble girder
right now there's a lot of new players running feast for Garo mounts so expect losses but keep running and try to not let your rank go down too much. If it does wait a 30min to a hour or longer to que again
amber escarp
i am only doing Training at the moment, so queues aren't long but even here, where the Rank doesn't matter, it's a bummer to get crushed
amber escarp
should i strictly go Ranked then for better chances?
humble girder
Yes I would
amber escarp
i see now the "Platinum" tier in the screenshot i posted before
humble girder
the highest rank Ive ever 'seen in normal que is gold
amber escarp
i suppose thats better to try then; thank you
is there a way to see the scoreboard from the last game you played?
humble girder
not sure. You do have stats in your pvp menu I always screen cap mine, you'll also get a idea of the bad - good players after a while to... Ive seen some ppl just leave a match before its started, dropping all their coins almost guaranteeing a loss for the team uff
amber escarp
i haven't encountered anyone leaving, thankfully
humble girder
Ive seen it a few times on really bad healers
amber escarp
how is healing in PVP though? tough?
humble girder
I tried it was hard for me, some ppl are really good at it though and take almost no damage while keeping all near full
be sure to set your hotbeds up in wolves den if you try it
hotbar
amber escarp
pvp seems stressful for healers
i have looked at tank hotbars and considered trying one
also lucked out w a Platinum on my side
14k is kinda low
Look at pvpaissa and read the guides
It'll help a lot.
14k?
humble girder
it depends on the matches also some end super fast so all have low numbers
amber escarp
Looks like you had the experienced healer too. Probably let you go ham. What's their name?
humble girder
also feast is popping fairly fast right now
and in one hour Rival wings should start popping if you do that
amber escarp
aren't i supposed to always keep that stuff hidden / private?
i haven't ever tried the rival wings stuff
humble girder
its fun
amber escarp
IDK I don't think it matters if they're shown
Yes RW one hour. Just did the ping in rival wings discord
humble girder
Sat 5p - 8pm it usually pops and you can get your challenge log done for it
pst
also in feast if your really on bad one job try another.... Ive seen horrible healers go tank and do great jobs as a example
amber escarp
i don't remember their name and no one in that match said anything
humble girder
you can only use the hot bar chat
amber escarp
i know, i am saying no one used any hotbar chat
amber escarp
how long does a rival wings match typically take?
humble girder
its semi long not fast like feast
but usually in 3 hours once it starts popping I can finish the challenge logs for it
humble girder
im not in the discord I just start queuing on Sat
amber escarp
I mean just join them lol
Ideally people make premades. But everyone just complains about them instead of using the tool we're providing to make them
I guess it's easier to just bitch than to do something about it lol
the people who run them regularly on the weekends, do they expect ppl new to the content
humble girder
theres always new ppl at least a few... I suggest trying to gather fuel in the low areas if your new your first few times
ride around looking for cerium tanks
cerelium
I had no idea what was going on in there my first times in but it'll come to you fast
amber escarp
i'll likely give it a try then, thank you both
amber escarp
yes we expect new people. there are some guides in the rival wings server for folks to check out
humble girder
yea... and vice versa..... Hidden George just popped
amber escarp
There are guides in the RW discord that can help you.
humble girder
go mid is to fight for the train so you have goblin mercenaries on your team
its the train tracks in center of map
compact wasp
Petition to ban scholars form pvp. Have lost over 150 games cuz of them and cant even make bronze cuz of it
amber escarp
Damn
carmine plank
that is definitely a record. Of some sort, idk what. but it's a record somewhere for something.
swift brook
😰
ashen rune
This season is a teams season? That's new.
full sphinx
DC'd
plucky finch
I totally forgot how fun tanking in frontlines is
amber escarp
There hasn't been a team season since season 1-4
hidden cosmos
ree when people odn't understand frontline tactics
person bitching about me not going with team and causing them to lose team fights case of 7 people
i've disrupted ~200 points across both teams, and i had 2-3 people from each opposing faction guarding the base constantly/chasing me across the entire map
if we're losing 7 on 5s i don't think i should be blamed
also >asking adders to actually win fights
hidden cosmos
hey can you guys pass this on to people you know who are doing feast in primal?
I think the character Saber Pendragon from Excalibur is a bot/macro healer
they behave super abnormally
i can't pass it down to anyone i meet in the feast
just tell them if they meet them to have one person lightly tap them and everyone else to hit the dps
they move like in a straight line forward/backwards, slow to target teammates who need healing, always out of mp, and 70% of their healing is to their self even at full hp
and they have higher than average heal score
its bugging the shit outta me
carmine plank
Even the best healers run dry on MP depending on the game. I imagine it would be common enough in training even if the damage is a lot lower. Inexperienced healers not knowing how to be mana efficient or aren't using their mp restoration abilities enough.
hidden cosmos
saigiri like i said they were a bot basically
super delayed responses, very linear movement and constant heal spam that was targetting themselves
0 adaptability
i think a few people i ran with got the ide,a started telling them to just ignore the healer, and pull their team out of the healers range
like we'd be fighting on our side of the map and the healer would still be spamming cure on their stairs
and it'd take like 2 minutes for it to react and find the enemy team
and I THINK, not sure that if you spammed focus attack/retreat messages it would move regardless of where it was located relative to the actual situation
i actually counted like
the bots heal threshold for allies was like
30-40% or something and it'd mostly heal itself
occasionally use a stone
once you figured out how to abuse its programming was winning matches with it as an enemy in like
a good minute or less
amber escarp
@amber escarp Can I talk to you in DM, it’s urgent.
hidden cosmos
ashley its not frontlines, its feast
amber escarp
Bots keep unranked alive? 
hidden cosmos
no not really
also fuck i hate having casters as team mates
most of them can't follow up/properly attack people at all
they're neither willing to call targets or focus on your called target
the ones that can are great
amber escarp
casters can be LOS'd easier than brd or mch because of walls and having to channel some spells
you just need to make calls on targets that arent slide casting in and out of cover
lament robin
pvp
lament robin
thorn ocean
100$ per mount
I guarantee that it'll pay for another expansion
modern coral
How about instead of crying for old hellhounds we get some new ones 👀
gold and white hellhound in honor of the First
heavenhound?
modern coral
notice me albert senpai
plucky blaze
No nitro 
plucky blaze
amber escarp
Add new tier weapons 10 collars each, add old season gear sets 20 collars per set, 30 collars for old mounts
Gg
indigo mauve
if they did that we would never hear the end of the incessant bitching from all the old timers of all the new peeps running in feast
amber escarp
There's no need to strawman it.
They're trophies and representations of a period that cannot be recreated again.
Play for the new rewards then, and if you dont like the new rewards wait until a one you like comes out and then play for it.
lost steeple
The only plausible way I could see them re-add those (without designing some reward cycle) would be to reward tokens for your rank, and you can purchase the items via tokens. For example, top 100 gives 10 tokens, and you can buy the mount for 10 tokens. You would NOT get rewards like normal, so it would be a choice between the new stuff or something old
So instead of rewarding x item for top 100, you get tokens and choose which item
patent gazelle
is there like a tier list of sorts when it comes to pvp?
devout harbor
I made this for reddit a few days ago, some positions are heavily debatable, such as bard but I can argue my reasoning
This is for solo queue feast btw
So not LP or frontlines
Also lol at non-pvpers knowing what's best for pvp btw
You want it because it's valuable and it's valuable because it's rare and limited to 100 skilled players per dc.
If it wasn't you wouldn't even use it, like every other welfare handout mount and glamour
amber escarp
We had some of these rewards long enough
I for one am ok with them readding them for the new players to gain interest
devout harbor
I'm also okay for this game to have items that are indications of effort, time and skill instead of everything being given through participation prizes. Even if it means I never get them.
Because, It's an mmorpg and not a doll-sim and that's what I expect from every game in the genre.
amber escarp
I'd kill to have some of the old rewards but I understand that those rewards are trophies from the past yeah. They represent a time period that is unrecreatable at the moment. Again, while the challenge stays the same regarding PvE fights, it's completely different with PvP since players are always changing. Handing them out again or creating knockoff replicas would really obscure an endearing period of effort and salt.
And boy do I disagree with AST being there
AST is easier to overwhelm than SCH, and the strat is to just funnel the AST as a DRG within the last minute and secure two kills thanks to comeback mechanics
modern coral
I'm fine with them adding old mounts for wolf collars, but it should be a serious time investment. Sorta like the mentor roulette mount.
hidden cosmos
so does anyone know if fast or frontlines is faster for seals
have about 120k seals left to grind and then theres still moogle stuff (ree)
swift brook
wonder how gunblade will work in pvp
I suspect brutal shell will be super annoying to play into if it gives a recurring barrier and self-heal
hidden cosmos
actions are heavily changed in pvp
so don't figure it works the same as the PVE
i'm more curious what their cc equivalent will be
worthy rose
5 second place frontline in a row. gonna go off my character
drowsy osprey
Just curious, is Rival wing dead dead?
lost steeple
Rival Wings has constant "revival" events, usually weekly, where everyone queues up together. Look out for those
There's a Discord for it too
drowsy osprey
Oh sweet, anyone have a link for that one?
drowsy osprey
Oh. nvm found a link. Thanks for the info btw 😄
drowsy osprey
Depending on your data center it runs on varied days.
Pretty excited for Friday now since I see one posted for that time
amber escarp
@amber escarp Uncle Acid got Rank 1 as a sch
plucky finch
Well depends on Data Center, I know on JP Data Centers, Rival Wings still pops often especailylly thanks to garo event
plain sky
I don't think I've won one PvP match yet, it's very hard
drowsy osprey
what do you play as?
modern coral
Rival wings has been popping Saturday nights on aether!
plain sky
@drowsy osprey I play as paladin. I've found some wins by tagging myself, the healer and what I'm going to attack
seems like coordination is king
I need to find out how people are communicating in pvp
drowsy osprey
Yhea. Coordination is big time king. Especially in frontline when people are very prone to over extending. XD
But keep at it. Youll ramp up on experience what you can or can't do. ;D
worthy rose
might be the most pathetic frontline I've ever been apart of. The game felt bad and gifted us a free 100 points at the end of the match right next to our base
plucky finch
How does that even happen?
plain sky
How do you chat in feast?
I see people saying hello and target X class
But I don't know how to do it D:
plucky finch
Check your PvP Profile and then Quick Chat
menu
You can drag those onto hotbar as well, using them gives a message
plain sky
Thank you
how do you know who to focus?
I feel like I always go for the healer (feast)
then dps
modern coral
I tend to start with the healer or dps, then focus on whoever has medals or is out of position, like if they are too far from their healer.
Usually calling targets and doing the countdown is melee job, but sometimes they don't do it so I'm trying to learn lol
plain sky
does (ranked) give more medals than (training) ?
amber escarp
No lol. I suggest checking out pvpaissa for info on Feast
hidden cosmos
i haven't seen the rival wings pf up this week
you focus on whoever SHOWS WEAKNESS
also who you're paired up with
healers tend to require coordination between tanks and both DPS
also sometimes its better for a dps to keep hammering the healer and chase them out of spell range
and the dps and tank to take out one of their squisher dps before the healers can react
casters are weak
they reactively try to run away from damage
and self preserve
at the cost of doing hteir jobs
(also for some reason its the opposite in pve, they just bumblefuck into all the aoes and damage)
best thing you can do is honestly run feast alot
then you get a feel for different players and how they react/what they do (either as your teammate or enemy)
then you know how to work around them
like one healer is really bad at switching targets, so you spread out damage, then suddenly burst one guy down
another is really good at healing so you leave him alone and try to burst down a dps
runic agate
hey, looking for ppl to farm marks in feast for garo event
faint fulcrum
Can abybody tell me if the "silver wolf" title is still attainable?
humble girder
If you got it prior to feast end it is. Go to wolves den talk to guy on right of team board to claim it
safe skiff
marble fox
wrong channel
pearl valve
I almost feel bad for maelstrom at that point 
surreal barn
Maelstrom losing?
fresh mauve
Hello, I was curious is there were any groups farming for the garo mounts ? I'm in Crystal/Malboro/Twin Adder and still need goten and raigo mounts
lucid mural
Going in as a SMN for first time in hidden gorge, anything I should really know about either in terms of class or mode?
amber escarp
beat up other players and secure the objective
mellow lagoon
Hey all. Looking for people that want to grind for feast wins for the garo mount. If anyone wants to play feel free to message me
plucky finch
Might be best to actually mention your data center
slim flower
Oh! I'm Primal
plain sky
Do I need to gear appropriately for pvp (feast training)?
I feel like i don't do enough anything
plucky finch
Gear in PvP is glamour only
You just need a level 1 weapon and a job crystal and you're good to go
plain sky
I'm getting demolished atm, feels bad I suppose
are there pre-mades in feast training?
plucky finch
Can only queue with 1 other I believe, what job are you playing as?
plucky finch
Make sure you don't pick up too many medals from enemies
plain sky
can't pick up medals when there aren't any kills 😭
Maybe I'll try and read up a bit of pvp paladin stuff
plucky finch
Well hard to give advice without seeing how you're playing, but remembering where healers are so you don't line of sight away from them helps
PvP paladin shouldn't be that hard, just read the tool tips
Save your Stun and Holy Spirit Silence for when your team is getting ready to burst
And don't forget your first combo makes your target do less healing, so you should keep applying it on the healer as main piority for that combo
I'm noob at the feast though, think there's a PvP discord that can give more info
midnight warren
How do you win w/o a healer?
swift brook
kill their healer first and hope for the best
devout harbor
Typically you can't win without a healer 
swift brook
yeah, it's pretty fuckin difficult
but you MIGHT be able to win a couple engagements just getting healer picks and forcing them back
(since you're kind of forced to have a healer in feast, so I'm assuming he's talking about frontlines)
devout harbor
Even still, without a healer you gotta rush down first, anything longer than a second of attrition and you're putting yourself behind every moment that goes on
Become what you must
Play healer
swift brook
yeah
you'd need a very specific meme setup with huge alpha strike
just straight melt the healer before they can react
although you can turn a healer into pink mist real fuckin fast if everyone actually focuses on the [1] icon
with how healers get dusted in frontlines you shouldn't really rely on them except for post-engagement top-ups
you'll get disintegrated under focus fire regardless of role so you should be gauging when people notice your existence and backing off
amber escarp
Best bet is to just go healer yourself
carmine plank
gotta play healer chicken and not switch until people start jumping off the starting platform.
slim flower
Any Link Shells for PVP? I'm in Primal.
amber escarp
I mean when people complain about no healer I can't help but point out that they can go healer too lol
midnight warren
holy crap I just tried to do PvP
and switched to WHM. I didn't realize my skills weren't all macro'd for mouseover toggles, until I saw I wasn't healing anybody
Like how do you even do PvP macros? I tried using my regen macro on my PvP hotbar. It's named the same; "Regen".... but it doesn't work
midnight warren
oh so it's not /ac? Well, that would make the last 4,000 I need for the mount easier to farm
thanks!
plucky finch
/pvpac is the short version according to Macro Text Help
midnight warren
oh cool
I'll just add that under the regen macro to save macro space!
Thanks 😄
humble girder
make target macros. /target <e1-4>
vernal cloak
does class affect PvP queue times or are they just always long af?
normal tinsel
yeah
melee and healers have the fastest que
while ranged and tank have somewhat longer ques
the reason for melees and healers is because not many que for them and they have a lot of responsibility
vernal cloak
coolies, thank you @normal tinsel !
surreal forge
Final Fantasy XIV is playing a two part special pvp anime for seal rock today.
Episode 1: Maelstrom sits on objectives doing nothing while flames feed adders
Episode 2: Adders then turn their prepped battle highs and adrenalines on us when it comes time to contest for nodes.
wanton ether
surreal forge
yes it does
grizzled meadow
is ranked feast up rn?
grizzled meadow
any pro healers here (namely ast) who can tell me what's better for aditional skills?
I use Concentrare cuz Purity sometimes doesn't help by the time it breaks the stun the damage's already done :s but then Concentrate isnt exactly instant as it says and that also uses up precious time 
sometimes the damage input is just.. too much?? and I'm just wondering if there's smth I can improve cuz idk I'm legit trying so hard and it doesn't always seem to be enough ^^'
grizzled meadow
hmm. I've been using recuperate so I can heal myself without changing target or sacrificing mp
and usually if I get a mp card I don't need muse but if the fight goes on log it gets hard to keep up with low mp
but ahh those tips are good
I was like... "hmm let's read what those skills actually do" and just found out ED works better at low health hh
I think I knew from using and seeing tho but still it's good to know I can do some tricks like that to heal smarter :3 whew
I'm deffo not using disable enough ^^' I focus too much on healing if pressured and forget about it
I'll take Safeguard + purify instead of Recuperate and see how things go o/ thanks a lot!
oh and I usually sacrifice bole for lady of crowns 🤔
oh shit, won against the peepz I was struggling against
yeet! :D ty again for the tips lol
amber escarp
Purify muse
leaden bane
There's no really good case for a healer taking safeguard ever, you want to have purify otherwise any team with extra CC beyond stun is going to just CC chain you while something dies out from under you.
lost steeple
Safeguard is good when you're still new and learning. Once you're better at learning where to position and the tells of an incoming burst you can should get rid of it
amber escarp
Safeguard is useless because it's only effective when you can tell there's an incoming burst though
No point in using it when you couldn't read a burst, put at like 10% HP and then you press it.
Recup is much better but even then it's better to take purify and start learning good habits early
remote merlin
@vernal cloak Sheep person was referring to feast que times being class difference. for frontlines or rival wings class does not make the que faster
grizzled meadow
ayy so far I've been using Purify and Safeguard but sometimes I don't even get targetted so Recup it is! :s @amber escarp
can't wait for the new season to start so I can see how far I can get ;_;
vernal cloak
@remote merlin thank you for the clarification 
slim flower
Anyone looking for a Feast party? Trying to make one for the achievements. I'm on the Primal datacenter for any interested!
fleet basalt
PvP queues on aether make me sad
amber escarp
Just do purify muse. Best to start building good habits early
ebon rain
Hey guys can I get some general pointers on how to tank in the feast and what traits/abilities I should equip
carmine plank
carmine plank
for abilities it's hard to go wrong with safeguard/recup, though I have a seen some drk/pld that will take bolt instead of recup.
for traits I'd say increased HP and decreased damage taken are very safe choices. The third can be TP or MP regen depending on what you feel you need more of.
grizzled meadow
not sure I'd recommend bolt instead of recup as a healer o.o help us out here ya know
flint heart
is there a prime time to do pvp on primal?
leaden bane
Depends on the mode, but things usually get to popping after 5-6PM or so.
And as far as tanks taking bolt over recup, it's only in very specific scenarios where they'd want to (DRK/PLDs that know the enemy DPS well enough to know they aren't going to get bursted very often). Frontlines/RW, different story.
Even then I really only think drk should consider it to bolster its mobility toolkit. PLD wants to drag matches into deep culling by virtue of keeping their team alive.
full sphinx
Sometimes I provide the party members backup when they're doing things their own way
grizzled meadow
So as a healer when my tank gets focused af and, say, I get stunned - I'm very thankful to get some help on healing with the Recup. Esp cuz the tank hoards medals soo survivability is important imo
brisk shoal
why does pvp feel so dogshit
leaden bane
Fluff, it's why tanks taking bolt is highly situational, yeah. I think the only dps that really wants to consider anything different is Drg because enliven enables such a huge amount of extra pressure.
remote merlin
Because the PvP is always gonna be a second thought from the games main attraction the pve and lore
amber escarp
looking at ShB changes and how pve combat is getting simplified it looks like housing lore and glamour will be the main attraction with everything else as an afterthought 
glad sparrow
what company should i join?
plucky finch
Grand Company? It really doesn't make a difference apart from aesthetic reasons. Some grand companies have higher win rates than others depending on your data center, but really it's no big deal and you can change grand companies with ease.
And idk. I really enjoy the PvP in XIV, 80% of my normal game time is spent in it when it's quiet times like a month before a patch hits
Doesn't feel dogshit to me
You can also put in Frontline Freelancer option when queueing for Frontlines, so you get assigned to a random grand company when you get in
grizzled meadow
you can check rewards and titles, maybe you have some preferences @glad sparrow
glad sparrow
is twin adders a good choice because i want to do that because i like the scenery... but the other two have better colors
and yes this is the xaela i made a few days ago that i showed an image of
unborn aspen
glad sparrow
but the flames really need help so i decided
i am going to help the sultana end the aristocracy
opaque geyser
Hello!
Just downloaded the game with a friend, we both are quite pvp focused but enjoy everything. We were wondering if there's a pvp meta amongst classes
like if some are just trash or actually broken, worth playing or not if you wanna enjoy mass pvp or arena pvp
plucky finch
I'm noob in arena PvP, but in large scale PvP you can really do anything and do well
Melee and tanks are pretty strong in large scale PvP right now thanks to their def and attack being buffed to better deal with range people
carmine plank
I'd steer clear of scholar. You'd get more out of other healers especially as a newer player. Everything else is pretty workable.
trail ravine
if I'm not wrong, seal rock isn't available every day right? do we know if PVP modes like those have a set schedule?
carmine plank
The maps cycle every day. borderland ruins > seal rock > fields of glory > ruins > rock > glory > ruins and so on
trail ravine
perfect, thanks o/
safe skiff
@plucky finch wait you can choose which grand company you want to be in frontlines?
god damn it
plucky finch
By changing Grand Companies completly
Like leaving Maelstorm and joining the Immortal Flames
But there's also Frontline Freelancer
That puts you into a random grand company, just so matches pop faster
safe skiff
I am in Maelstorm but always get put in other GC
safe skiff
now to get that win rate up , Maelstorm owns on siren
surreal barn
@safe skiff You'll get on others Grand Companies if you have the Freelancer option activated on the Duty Finder settings
brisk shoal
i hate how rng feast is
amber escarp
Is the ranked pvp scene on NA functional?
I like pvp on this game thus far. It's different, but I feel like playing with some folks and having comms would make it dope.
amber escarp
it's functional but not optimal
ranked is dead atm though
since solo season is dead
carmine plank
team season is also ending in a few days
amber escarp
If you join as freelancer do victories under a different GC count towards your actual GC?
deft oriole
Yeah.
amber escarp
Cheers m8
leaden bane
bronze laurel
the nin skill seems more lit
but no hyoton 
and why that shadow fang isn't skill combo now 
devout harbor
Looks like for melee at least they're moving from a dot/buffer combo and a burst combo to something else
bronze laurel
tfw pve ast is shit but pvp ast is lit
thorn ocean
WHM can kind of burst now
Glare > Afflatus Misery
just make sure Dia is applied beforehand
surreal forge
I'm worried for feast it might telegraph bursts, I'll have to apply it to multiple people to mask who we're really targeting
plucky finch
I like how not everyone has sprint now
sonic quarry
A lot of these changes are bonkers
glad sparrow
well white mage is now dps
thorn ocean
won't be able to do constant damage like SCH though
especially with regen needing lilies now
fierce spear
Can any pro pvp feast player please tell me what mouse or keyboard I should try too get I really want an advantage /: please thank you 4 whoever has time too give an honest tip
remote merlin
Idk I don't think personally there's a "meta setup" I do hear that PC has a slight advantage to console controllers
Due to keybinds
Do not know if that "slight advantage" is because of certain kb or mouse set ups
remote merlin
I play on controller and I can say the same in my opinion
stray gazelle
I think its more muscle memory over everything tbh
remote merlin
Some problems due to long nails but not a huge disadvantage plus that's a personal issue
Heh
thorn ocean
no need for fancy peripherals
as long as you have enough buttons for keybinds it's enough
a lot of really good PvPers use controller so it makes no difference
just use what you're used to
fierce spear
Would a scuff controller be better ?
neat saddle
ocean jewel
wolves den vendors don't have any new gear 
worthy rose
oh my god I haven't gotten a win in any pvp queue in like 20 matches
tilted out of my mind
thorn ocean
they have the weapons for the new jobs but that's it
since the new jobs share gear with previous ones
random pulsar
Can't say I've ever grinded pvp for any gear other than the healer greek styled robes,, all the other gear looks kinda trashy
Especially the prestormblood gear
worthy rose
Good match
only 4 more wins for ginga pipe
Paladin is so much fun to play now in pvp with the update. Gap closer and really good damage moves now
worthy rose
Full Swing + Requiescat + triple Holy Spirit melts people
grizzled meadow
has a new pvp season started yet?
grizzled meadow
tbh I need to re-learn pvp now basically so that's for the best skldjlfksdj
leaden bane
Yeah, we haven't heard anything concrete yet, probably looking at either .05 or .1, I feel like right now there's a lot that needs to be touched on before they start ranked seasons
amber escarp
get to leveling pve jobs
square built up this giant tower of legos over 4.x, took a bat and side smashed the shit out of it in 5.0 while adding a few more extra lego blocks
we probably wont have any notable season going on until square fashions up a foundation
rn feast is just a mess
rich drift
hello, new player here -- what makes this feast season a mess as opposed to the previous season?
amber escarp
there is no season but all you need to do is queue training and see
healers just can't keep up
remote merlin
Yep they made everyone dps more and healers can't keep up
They have to fix that by time of a season or it will be such a mess definitely
humble girder
I tried healing it was rough
worthy rose
wait in queue for 30 minutes and get 1 tank 7 dps. its so much fun getting last place
lilac sluice
can someone queue up for frontline pls, i need my transmog gear
bronze peak
dont we all
worthy rose
I wonder if a team has lost harder than this
worthy rose
ah nevermind found a worse one
cedar torrent
I was in one where my team lost out in sub 100
short arch
Any advice for getting in games that I can actually win? Only need a few more wins for the last mount, but I just always end up on teams that fall apart...
cedar torrent
Luck of the team placement really
worthy rose
If its any day with 24 player teams, you aren't going to get wins often if you aren't on Maelstrom
Everyone stacks on that team to get easier wins and overall that leads to better players on average being on Mael
On 8 player team days, you honestly just need to play as a group and try to pinch other teams as they fight another team
short arch
Mmkay. If I still have problems, I may just switch over to Mael for a bit to get the last few wins...
cedar torrent
I'm maelstrom but I put in flex because I'd rather not have an hour long queue
worthy rose
heh
short arch
Did a few matches, lost to pretty much every team. I think I may just need to get in an organized group or something. Or wait til Feast is open and do that instead.
amber escarp
lol
ocean jewel
if you queue for frontlines as a class under 80
and finish the frontline as a class that is level 80
you'll get 50 tomestones of poetics and 50 tomestones of goetia
and the exp for the class you queued with
meaning you can work towards levelling a class whilst also getting tomes for 440 gear
remote merlin
That seems like a bug
amber escarp
What's the best tank in pvp?
ocean jewel
probably gnb
amber escarp
how many wolf marks do you get on average per battle?
ocean jewel
frontline you get 1000 per win (correct me if i'm wrong) and 750ish per loss
haven't done feasts in a while so idk
stray maple
ocean jewel
when will team ranked queues stop being dead
thorn ocean
queue training in the mean time
not a good substitute but it's good exp in prime time
leaden bane
yeah, team queue is completely dead unless there's a team season active. Wouldn't suggest sitting in that queue and instead looking for other teams specifically to do custom matches with
ocean jewel
in that case
if anyones on light data centre @me
and our teams can practice together
amber escarp
Oi what’s a good class to get into the PvP with? I want to try it but I’m pretty n00b so hoping there’s a class that’s good for a first timer or something.
sonic copper
Any you feel comfortable with
Bonus points if it's a healer. They are always needed
At least in my experience
amber escarp
Cool, thanks o7
plucky finch
I wouldn't recommend healer, they are in need because they are pretty intense. Mind you, all jobs are about getting used to them. But a healer for someone who's not used to PvP at all can be way too much to handle
sonic copper
I don't find them to be any worse than any other class, at least not in casual modes
thorn ocean
healers are very hard to play, especially now with all the changes
doesn't matter if it's FL/RW/Feast
would not recommend SCH if you want to heal in PVP
broken as in unplayable
AST is best
remote merlin
Healers need to be buffed or everyone dmg output Nerfed because it's not balanced at all and I'm not surprised with these pvp developers from past expac experience
amber escarp
they fucked up big time giving like every job an aoe ability but not lettong healers have on demand aoe heals
i really do want to question the decision making process for feast right now regarding healers but it seems they're being questioned heavily on the pve side as well
amber escarp
at least we have rescue LOL
i've saved more dps using that ability than any other ability
and when there's a tank that doesn't know how to pick up medals, problem solved now thanks to that
amber escarp
PvP was more fun when we had all our abilities change my mind
plucky finch
??? Why would we waste time trying to change your personal opinion?
remote merlin
Some people are bored enough to do it but it's the opposite for me I agree with his opinion honestly 
amber escarp
ehhhhh i kinda agree but at the same time
the balance in pvp would be terrible since square would have to adjust and consider every single ability in people's kit
it's easier to balance 9 buttons
and i feel like every single button having to have a different effect under pvp leading to tooltips being an essay long is why we now have people who cant be bothered to read sometimes
bronze laurel
so
why the fuck dancer is so op at frontline
4 dancers can wipe entire alliance wtf
amber escarp
they gave it insane aoe damage and their justification was making it proximity based with the expectation that dancers would get deleted upon moving into a group but of course how can they kill a dancer when they are already dead
bronze laurel
Also I'm not sure what i should feel when the lb back like hw now...
plucky finch
Frontline balancing might come when the new mode is released
leaden bane
Personal thought is that a lot of numbers are likely going to change, probably before a Feast season starts since the focus was far bigger on the PvE end of things.
worthy rose
Paladin is a DPS class
worthy rose
amber escarp
we had a feaster hit 623k on dancer i think
it's a big dps fest so long as you're not getting deleted
remote merlin
That sounds only doable in 72 man Frontline though
bronze laurel
i really hate dancer combined with blm now...
bronze laurel
amber escarp
Primal queueing for Ranked Feast
On Primal? Like PvP or just bored? Ranked Feast plx. 😄
amber escarp
there is literally no reason to queue for ranked feast since ranked season is over
wait until season 14
frozen parrot
So is Rival Wings abandoned content now?
amber escarp
has anything changed drastically in pvp from sb to shbr?
tight sierra
The class changes are not really good, I would say the FF14 Team has not really the time or don't want to put resources in the Pvp balancing. The new Shbr Skills are kinda useless or OP, also the change of the Pvp commands are really bad in my opinion (for example no Sprint). If you wanna compared it with the end of Sb Pvp, Sb Pvp was kinda balance. With the release of Shbr and the new skills some classes are OP, or to slow, clunky etc. Pvp got worse with the Shbr release, I am hopping for a big Pvp patch with 5.1.
plucky finch
They have a dedicated team that's focusing on PvP balance. Only problem is that it seems that the team decided to change up the balance once more to make use of the new stuff released with ShB. Also no sprint on jobs apart from Melee DPS is pretty balanced in my eyes
remote merlin
Tanks can't Sprint
remote merlin
:omegalul:
amber escarp
"Pvp team"
there is no team
the pvp team is just one guy
the jp players were complaining about this earlier about how it's only headed by one person
bronze laurel
I'm hating this
The goddamn combination between blm and dancer
So not fun at all
Blm sleep or bind people and dancers gangbang whole alliance with quadruple technical finish
Also yeah, team?
More like jp got a leader that makes entire Frontline not fun
And also dancer's en avant is really a cheating skill, using it to hit and flee
leaden bane
Probably wouldn't look at what we have now and assume it's what we'll have long-term, I think most people who play relatively frequently/vets overall agree that we're gonna see some pretty big changes now that they have time to focus on not-MSQ/PVE content a bit.
remote merlin
Hope so because it's ridiculously unbalanced so far
amber escarp
before 5.0 square was really quiet about pvp and they almost always said something akin to "Wait until 5.1"
when asked about pvp
so tbh this aint so bad imo
we're probably going through an extreme prototype of what's to really come in 5.1
leaden bane
Considering they probably put moriguchi in a closet and said 'here's the new stuff now have fun while we try to not die out here' yeah
plucky finch
I highly doubt there will be any big changes to PvP, just minor balancing changes like there was from 4.0 onwards and the new frontline match
"An issue wherein both EXP and tokens could be received from Frontline and Rival Wings under certain conditions." oh no
