you have the entire arena to dodge with
#endgame-lounge
scenic patrol
blazing pelican
Right up there with me yelling about Limit Cut
"take the fucking loss and get in position"
boreal edge
oh im looking forward a11s ptsd in o12s
blazing pelican
Get ready to die a lot if your melee are greedy fucks
boreal edge
at least mechs wise
pure yoke
odds go opposite
boreal edge
a11s was ok
pure yoke
even stays same side
boreal edge
but skips were the shit
blazing pelican
So much fun having to memorize what could and couldn't be skipped at what hp%
/s
boreal edge
only final phase was same shit always
blazing pelican
Alex speedkills were always interesting
pure yoke
I like speedrunning SB raids
blazing pelican
They just didnt become super common until Creator when raiding got easier
@pure yoke do you miss o6s yet
blazing pelican
Trick Attack is just a crutch 
pure yoke
we did lb3 on the adds
caster lb3
only got to have rank 1 speed in 3 fights
which I guess is pretty nice
quick verge
memerunning is fun
quick verge
fuck dude
wet stag
those healers 
quick verge
ast didn't like to stay alive
vital cypress
don't doxx me please
quick verge
yes
wet stag
earthquake cast?
quick verge
killed it before accretion killed me
quick verge
yes
valid gate
you dont move to same spot always
lmao what? yes you do
you can do the EXACT SAME movement every time for hot tail
quick verge
valid gate
also jesus @ the idea of impossible exaflare patterns
there's so much room
just don't walk into an exa
4head
steep summit
that was close lol
steep summit
good luck brother
wet stag
TUESDAY MORNING 2 CHESTS
vital cypress
before or after the reset π
storm frostBOT
wet stag
Was your co a pld or war
quick verge
pld
wet stag
Yeah I don't bait panto 2
thorn bear
Powerful drk
wet stag
!whologs @wet stag
storm frostBOT
wet stag
Wow I'm trash
quick verge
i got a hot 5.5k in my opener
wet stag
Good luck
quick verge
none needed
just gonna hg limit cut
π
100th percentile in damage mitigated
my pc also started to have a stroke after update program was cast
pure yoke
nice logs
quick verge
shadow smelt
Eureka, where 10 steps forward mean 50 back
quick verge
people really lose their shit when omega isn't facing a specific direction
the boss faces nw and like 3 people die to larboard/starboard
reef oxide
can someone tell me whats the difference between normal pug spyro strat and 313 strat in O10S?
quick verge
post a picture of 313
anyway
pug spyro you bait horrid roar inside midgardsormr
move out se
move back in once they disappear
move out once 3rd set pops for hot tail
waxen wagon
how difficult is O11S compared to 10? I finally got my first 10 clear yesterday and I'm really happy about it, but finding a party where everyone knew what they were doing took a long time and was very stressful too. I don't consider myself a raider, but I do love the challenge. With how stressful it was for me to clear 9 and 10, I'm not sure if I should bother with 11 and 12.
lyric summit
easier than o10s honestly
waxen wagon
oh really...
lyric summit
at least way less punishing and has less general fuckery
quick verge
11s only needs 4 people to not drink glue
10s will get you killed if anyone decides to be a retard
stacking earth shaker markers
not healing
etc
waxen wagon
yeah... even in O9S, someone could wipe the party during the fire phase if they mess up. or during the earth and crystal phase, if one person messes up, then their partner is guranteed to die as well. it's just punishing how one person can screw up the fight even if everyone else is playing perfectly.
i guess i'll practice 11 today and see how it goes.
lyric summit
it's definitely more fun compared to how slow midgar is with every mechanic
vital cypress
O10S somehow manages to be very boring and probably overtuned at the same time
mostly because it's a pile of fussy mechanics with just enough server tick/lag fuckery to make it incredibly annoying
i was not amused when my corpse dropped on the arena wall after a hot tail
vital cypress
orbs?
it's not exactly overtuned but the timing on stuff is really unforgiving in general
and the animations don't exactly line up with when a mechanic is considered to have fired
vital cypress
sounds like it's time for a purge 
last galleon
give people some time to calm down and hope for the best unless it's a recurring thing
what even is there to fight about in m/f? this isn't hw2 with its ten billion strats
oof that's tough
sometimes off nights can happen. it's better to call it off than let it get worse and bad names get thrown around
tardy ginkgo
even with panto i think o11s is easier than o10s lol
unreal flax
Well, that's wonderful news.
As a MNK, do I have to shock the fists or anything or can I rely on someone less MNK-like to do it?
unreal flax
Ah wonderful news again!
unreal flax
My static is on 10S, so I'm slowly absorbing information in preparation lol
tardy ginkgo
uptime in o11s and being greedy in it for melee is waaaay easier than 10s
lucid karma
lose one or two gcd better than wipe
unreal flax
That's sounds like Green propaganda.
lucid karma
more like prog
you have exactly 10 seconds to move your ass to position for big fist
that's exactly 4 gcd, and if you're not confident enough it would be one gcd loss to adjust
anyway there will be downtime since big fist stuns you for a few seconds before slamming
wet stag
Progpaganda
boreal edge
yeah i know that
is why i dont greed it
and just go to my position as soon i see my tether
north harbor
Do I need to finish the MSQ to do the Final Fantasy Tactics raids?
quick verge
don't greed big fists
this coming from the person who values fflogs over their life
it's not worth it
torn kindle
@north harbor you need to complete the 4.0 MSQ quest "Stormblood" to access most level 70 content
north harbor
So I do have to at least beat the Stormblood portion of the MSQ to get at them?
torn kindle
The Stormblood Quest is the end of the non-patch MSQ
opal hollow
whoops w/c
quick verge
whoops w/c
pine epoch
How important is crafting at endgame? I caught up with the msq and I only have warrior at level cap. Should I focus on doh/dol now or level something else??
steady pebble
you can ignore crafting and gathering if you like
they're not super important, but they can make life a bit easier
since with lvl 60 crafters, you can self-repair so if gear breaks mid dungeon you can easily repair or you can go longer between repairs
if you're interested in raiding, you can cut down on the costs of pots/food by making your own
but if none of that is of any interest to you, then don't need to worry about it
pine epoch
Iβd like to raid just to get the gear but it seems that everyone is real picky about knowing the mechs and all so I get discouraged lol
glossy musk
That's what learning parties are for
There's 3 different kinds of parties. Learning, which means you haven't reached enrage (the end of the boss). Kill/clear, which means you have reached the end. And farm, which means you know it like the back of your hand and you're there to kill it in one try and leave.
In reality because our community is so shit learning = "lol where am I", clear = learning, and farm = also learning
But that's the design
full wave
For example. I made an O9S "clear" party and we got to about 20% at enrage because of the amount of deaths.
We didn't clear.
glossy musk
Sounds about right 
untold furnace
on ariyala, what are the green and white numbers on the total stats row ?
last galleon
green is total and white is what you get from gear
untold furnace
okay ty
quick verge
how many tank busters are there in omega m/f
quick verge
my melee lb xdddd
wet stag
2 solar rays, 2 optimized blade dances
blazing pelican
!whologs @blazing pelican
storm frostBOT
fringe granite
Maybe not a lot of people on your server can make them
steady pebble
become a crafter, yen
fringe granite
What would he be then?
steady pebble
you'rea already a healer main, so you have the suffering part down pat
fringe granite
Yen,Edgelord Crafter?
blazing pelican
Really should just spam Miner, Botanist, and ALC to 70 so it's not an issue anymore
But then I would need to level the other crafters too 
fringe granite
If you're leveling other crafters
fringe granite
Getting miner and botanist to 70 won't be a problem
hidden iris
I gotta admit even if pugging raids is nasty this time around, I really do like 11S as a fight
I was curious if anyone else felt that of these 4 fights, Midgardsormr was at least to me the weakest. Interested to hear what fights people lliked/disliked
wet stag
Fuck 10s
hidden iris
Your name is rather fitting for that
I am curious if it's possible to keep a full 3 nastrond LoTD post-Delta Attack though
so far I've really only been able to keep a 2-Nastrond LoTD on average just because of how tight it is to keep Gauge
wet stag
Ok I don't play drg
But couldn't you refresh gauge on the last couple gcds of level checker
Then reactivate botd for another 19 seconds
fossil basalt
i am also not a fan of 10s
wet stag
Then delay lotd until you get wheeling thrust off
fossil basalt
gettin' really tired of not knowing when the tank swaps happen
wet stag
I mean you can watch the colour on you during the cast
ornate blade
you can do it if you end level cheker with 28-30s of botd
otherwise you just do 2 nastronds
ornate blade
but you shouldnt do stuff like ds+st to extend botd
only do it if you end with 28+ seconds naturally
wet stag
I mean
Worth checking in with the balance drg channels I think
I'm kinda interested to know the answer as well
Cbf to math it out rn
wet stag
Oh
ornate blade
dps loss to try to extend blood with sonic thrust
wet stag
Gotcha
midnight hollow
on o9s would you guys consider:
Lat= east west safe. Long = north south safe good advice, in a practiceparty?
I was taking a friend through a pf practice party and this guy insisted that was correct advice
it technically depends on where hes facing but he is almost always pulled north for all of them.
this is really more of a rant i guess
I dont think he is ever not facing north for them unless there was a mistake or something
and even on that particular pull... he was pulled north
scenic patrol
It doesn't matter tbh
There's also no pattern when it happens and the boss isn't pulled north
midnight hollow
I mean yea it doesnt matter which side you start on, but im pretty sure that comment means to stand on his sides during lat
and south north for long
which will kill you
it should be Lat = east west NOT safe, Long = north south NOT safe
this is taking into consideration that 99.9% of people probably have him facing north for all of them unles there was some kind of problem.
fossil basalt
i would say "front and back" and "sides" instead
since that's easier to keep track of
midnight hollow
Ya thats better
my rant is related to him telling people to stand in places that will hit them
thats all
i feel better now that ive said it π
stable basin
I got my static to try tank lb3 balls strat in middy and they couldn't manage it qq
We zeroed out a tail end though so that was cool
vital cypress
what is the balls strat in that, anyways?
I've seen people mention it once or twice
fossil basalt
something to do with hot tail, maybe?
lyric summit
balls are fireballs
you tank lb3 them if people are too dumb to dodge them or something
galaxy brain NA pug strats
vital cypress
oh
then everyone just stands in the corner and eats the hit?
(i assume the tank still has to do the bulwark/tether properly)
stable basin
Yeah
We discovered you die if you get hit with multiple balls though which ofc people couldn't handle
lyric summit
so don't stand in the corner
I don't see how it's any easier since you have to think about all 3 fireballs explosion orders to dodge them instead of just middle and your corner when you do it normal way
and it's a waste of LB, might as well die and get a heal lb3
stable basin
Removes any sort of timing requirement basically since you just run out from the roars and sit on the balls
Also it only wastes like half a bar of lb because it builds most of it back
prime pivot
Fireballs aren't even the hard part of the fight tbh
wet stag
Dev 
prime pivot
Like, if they can't dodge left, in, wait, out they won't be able to do exaflares
vital cypress
the bigger issue with that is that it'll sometimes just blow you up anyways
the timing's real tight
wet stag
Idk I find hot tail harder than exas tbh
pure yoke
easy way to dodge exaflares is
exaflares only come at a lane once
so once that exa past that lane
it's done
hybrid rapids
you cannot tell lat and long safe or not safe
since dps had to get hit by it on purpose
it might confuse them
on later phase they have to hit by it when have a debuff
exaflare is kinda linear
if you're afraid of it, just go to the first one
hot tail is nidhogg ex copy pasta
if you can do nidhogg ex, you can do o10s fireballs
rapid sapphire
I kinda want to derust eggnog ex but last time I did it was a trap party who wouldn't admit they were short on dps and the other healer needed to quit floor tanking
whole rampart
quick verge
like it's either you hold dps to see nails or you skip the orb bois
rapid sapphire
for comparison for shits and giggles decided to 2 person it (pld / mch) and almost got to nail phase (didn't have burst damage for adds phase before I ate dirt from debuffs)
quick verge
nails is just getting hit by aoe
quick verge
a skill every player has
hybrid rapids
This is a new feature
Including shinryu ex, climbing the tail
Implemented on monhunt next
Isnβt they have to catch the balls?
And healers have to top up before they taking second set balls
I think itβs much easier now tho
Since people can brute force
Tower phase is the one 4 towers, baiting aoes
In nidhogg ex
It was infamous back then
quick verge
is beyond defense's aoe small enough for all melee to max melee range it
quick verge
suppression more like depression
lyric summit
quick verge
almost got hit by advanced suppression yesterday
lyric summit
I'm outer lane group thank god tbh
quick verge
and then I got hit by like 6 Optimized Fires
dull radish
I'm on the inside but it's cozy enough since the waymarks are placed fine
lyric summit
can't even place them on suppression edges cause it moves
dull radish
oh, I was thinking about a different part of the fight for some reason
still waking up a bit haha
but I dunno, I've never really felt in danger of any of the suppressions
reef oxide
is it worth it to sacrifice 5 ilvl for extra 200crit on sam?
suzaku katana to rhaksasha to be precise
dull radish
yeah, you have weapon damage and main stat to consider
which are pretty dang strong alongside the secondaries
lyric summit
the only job where the weapon damage > crit line is blurry is bard
reef oxide
true enough, thanks!
steep iris
whenever there's no lb3 and we have to do legit strat for meteor
i always shit myself cause of how close the eye aoe is
lyric dawn
If you drop FFXIV for few months other than ur house being demolished what else does it set you back on?
spring dock
quick verge
does reprisal work on optimized meteor
hybrid rapids
won't recommend π
do tank LB3 strat
eat it raw
i think it does btw, since it wasn't casted by the eyeball
dull radish
mitigation is all sorts of weird this tier for seeing what shows up vs not
like debuffs aren't mirrored over to other actors but at least in some cases (like flamethrower for example) damage seems to be able to be mitigated despite this after manual testing
for omega M/F it shows up really weirdly on fflogs, like omega-F is the entity that casts optimized meteor, but despite being the name of the enemy that you're hitting, it's "Omega" and "Omega-M" that take buffs/debuffs
full wave
Someone should tell the devs that a lack of clarity on game mechanics isn't actual difficulty.
quick verge
nah it's pretty clear
you reprisal target and it reduces damage
but sometimes they're retarded when multiple bodies are on screen
full wave
But you can't always tell what you can and can't
dull radish
It's to the point like. Even if there's only one enemy you're fighting, just from how the game works you can't have one entity target more than one person with a mechanic at a given time, so instead they have different actors use the move. So like for omega, you have 8 different actors, Omega 2, Omega 3, Omega 4, etc that are all casting a singular flamethrower
full wave
That's really interesting
dull radish
when you apply debuffs like reprisal, addle, feint, they apply to only Omega 1, not to the others. In the past, when they would spread to the other actors, it would clearly say that, Omega 2 gains the effect of addle, Omega 3 gains the effect of addle, etc. That at least had some clarity
if the debuffs were mirrored over, then so did the mitigation, and it would work. If it wasn't mirrored over, then the mitigation didn't translate over to the other actors and wouldn't work for that mechanic
however this tier, while the debuffs aren't getting mirrored, there's at least one example of the damage still being mitigated
lyric summit
I heard flamethrower with 8 actors gets fully addled π€
dull radish
it does
the other omega numbers do not get hit with addle
but damage is notably reduced beyond damage variance
so it's a big ???
dull radish
yeah
quick verge
I'll just reprisal atomic ray wow
dull radish
like, to use a cozy example. If we go by old rules, almost nothing can be mitigated with debuffs in 9s, only TB, autos, and umbra smash come directly from Chaos 1 main actor
quick verge
taking 10% off that hot 40k or whatever
quick verge
yeah but at that point they don't need it
except during the atomic spam after Charybdis
I like seeing how many defensive cds I can fit into the atomic ray after blaster
and if you have a pld covering for blaster + atomic then you certainly don't need it xd
full wave
Is Chaos' TB physical?
quick verge
yes
full wave
I've been Feinting it but I wasn't sure if that was doing anything.
quick verge
it is
wet stag
Feint helps but it hits for piss damage anyway
full wave
ok
quick verge
you just need them to survive anyway
wet stag
It's what, 80k unmitigated?
full wave
I don't know why I bother. These stupid fucking tanks always provoke from behind Chaos so he always does a 360.
They don't deserve the Feint
quick verge
I gag a little when melees actually discuss feint usage
full wave
@quick verge why
unreal flax
jk, I love Feint.
wet stag
@unreal flax please use it on tail end thanks
quick verge
because they dislike dying
full wave
why do you gag
unreal flax
When I was working on GKef, I was looking for ways of optimizing Feint usage lol
quick verge
people who use their tools disgust me
full wave
Oh. Sorry
quick verge
Also people getting bopped by big fists because they have no hp makes me xd
don't play noct ast btw tip of the day
unreal flax
Double regens?
ruby timber
even if paired with a WHM?
last galleon
Regens are always better unless you need the extra shield hp to survive
quick verge
no just commit suicide on the spot
ast/whm is genuine trolling
hate that shit so much when tanking
ornate blade
feinting autos during god omega is p good
steep iris
diurnal ast's potency is higher vs nocturnal ast's potency
that's why it's recommended to just double regen even with a whm
but honestly if you're playing whm/ast chances are it isn't savage
and people are more prone to fuckups cough suzaku's hotspot cough
and im gonna bet that even if you went double regen you're gonna heal over each other anyway
unreal flax
I kept hearing in here that double regens was the wave for O6S.
steep iris
in most pug play you'd just have medica 2 and aspected helios stacked on each other resulting in massive overhealing
6s stack without shields is also pretty scary
rustic lichen
Yeah I go noct for Suzaku because people will inevitably get a stack
cloud bluff
I like the WHM + Nocturnal AST combo, but it never turns out well because of several reasons.
Namely the players doing something wrong.
indigo fog
is the onishi crafting gear the SB equivalent to what the Ironworks crafting gear was in HW?
steady pebble
yes
indigo fog
at first, since they're both green, i thought it was similar to carbonweave, but CW doesn't allow advanced melding
unreal flax
I'm curious why this set is green vs the blue of the Ironworks se-- yeah exactly.
Though
We did also get the i350 Handking set (rip CP), so there's that
steady pebble
basically the hand/landking set fills in for the carbonweave set
unreal flax
In a way, yeah. I mean, you can't meld it at all, so it's a weird set as far as crafting endgame stuff.
steady pebble
yeah, its not 1:1 but that's its purpose
indigo fog
yeah it reminds me of the millkeeps/forgekeeps etc
steady pebble
well
indigo fog
but for all classes
unreal flax
I really do like that it's based on the Ala Mhigan set, tbh.
steady pebble
HW is definitely a weird step, imo for gear for dol/doh
but they kind of did weird shit with sb too 
unreal flax
That said, I greatly prefer the Twinsilk tier to the rest of the crafting sets.
indigo fog
so i'm actually only just now in the upper 50s with my crafters. i'm trying to decide how i want to get over the HW->SB difficulty spike.
steady pebble
since ala mhigan is left only
I would personally just grab the red scrip set
i used it until 65, iirc
indigo fog
so i did that for my DoLs, cause scrips are easy to get with those
steady pebble
but it was augmented
indigo fog
yeah i made a whole bunch of emerald soup when it was giving me 21 (25 for 480+)
but it only got me to about 700 after making a whole bunch of them
marron glace is giving me 11-13 now
one thought i had was, carbonweave isn't too expensive on the MB in my server, and i already got the pants from my retainer
if i just go for the regular tools, it'll cost around 4800 scrips
here's another thing, if someone in my FC has offered to make my leve turnins if i bring them the mats, should i just not even worry about gear until lvl 63, and then just buy vendor gear to craft HQ 63 gear, and then go from there?
steady pebble
Honestly, if you can get leve turnins from someone else, i would just do that
indigo fog
ok
steady pebble
If you can, i would probably also ask and see if they're willing to craft you the 63/65 set
unless you want to make those yourself for pride reasons
last galleon
i used vendor NQ gear all the way until 70
i wouldn't bother with crafting each set HQ
unreal flax
Yeah, as long as you have the right cross class skills, you can craft a wild amount of shit with NQ gear.
indigo fog
i don't mind crafting gear around the middle ranges. it nets me some exp, and i feel like i'm making something worthwhile, rather than just something to turn in
last galleon
but intermediate gear usually gets obsolete in two levels
i mean, it's up to you, but personally i find it to be not worthwhile in terms of time spent getting the materials
torn kindle
ACT can't properly sim DoTs
it makes assumptions on the damage so it usually overestimates.
midnight hollow
so my thunders make it go upp too high?
dull radish
DoT estimation isn't too bad in general in ACT, but it's definitely an approximation. Unfortunately, Thunder for whatever reason always comes out as higher on ACT than it actually is, so often you get taxed a bit more on upload
compared to other jobs
midnight hollow
good to know
dull radish
yeah I got taxed like 300dps on a random 9s run over the weekend haha
everyone else got some solid refunds though
midnight hollow
atleast it still put me at 50th %
not as high as i was expecting for 6500 dps or so
dull radish
yeah the numbers can certainly trend pretty upward nowadays
dull radish
So about that
It's been a bit of a ride the past few days or so in the world of thunder math
First we get a better model showing that it's better to only hardcast refresh thunder in UI at lower times. Then that model gets extended to sharp fire vs sharp thunder and we got a startling initial difference between the two in favor of sharp thunder (on the order of 2%, with it still being a gain with a good bit of mistakes)
But now an error has been fixed and it's like, 0.8% better on average to sharp thunder if done absolutely perfectly (last second TC proc usage, no lost F4 or F4-> F1 downgrades)
And if you do make mistakes, if your very worst mistake is using the proc a tick early every time, it goes down to 0.2% gain
Any more, and you're better off using sharp fire
So, back to sharp fire propaganda <3
midnight hollow
if i know i have to move soon i like to sharp fire so i dont lose out on any fire IVs, for example pulling chaos
its harder to cast your 8 fire IVs if you sharp thunder
maybe its just me
stable basin
My WAR cotank just got taxed 140 dps on Middy
midnight hollow
if you wanted to see what dps a given % is on fflogs, can you do that?
Like can i just go, What is currently 30% for WHM can I find that, or can i only look through specific players and see their %?
oh, i found it
max BLM o9s damage: 9,117.87
wet stag
I wouldn't take max into account
midnight hollow
its bigger than the gap between 30th and 60th
midnight hollow
i looked a week ago or so and the top blm at the tmie had omega rod
id be surprised if any of the top dps players werent using omega or augmented weapons
fringe granite
So he already had the 405 staff?
midnight hollow
yea, it was a lala blm with 405 rod
scenic patrol
Any static worth their salt will have BLM as one of their first coffers
Especially a top parsing one
midnight hollow
I think it was this one, i viewed him on the 13th and he had the 405 rod
but he has alch gear on right now
so cant be sure
midnight hollow
hm might not be him, tried finding him on lodestone but he is healer only
ill look more
stable basin
Lala BLM stronk
scenic patrol
!charlogs Jenova Mint Dew
stable basin
Their larger surface area to volume ratio lets them radiate aether more efficiently
storm frostBOT
normal sable
I'm guessing gear differences will disappear by around week 8-10
stable basin
37 UwU BLMs lol
normal sable
Since most of them will have bis by then
midnight hollow
well cant find the one i saw in my history
scenic patrol
!charlogs Jenova Mint Dew'
storm frostBOT
midnight hollow
this is the one that got 9100+ dps on o9s https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/7984454/
dang, they also hold 100% for both o12s
lyric summit
lyric summit
1 aoe balance on 1st clear = padded af
unique wolf
heavy mist
Mint Dew π
Literally has Mint Dew and Mint Dew' sit in Kugane and dance 24/7
server goes down and then back up immediately set up for dancing
π
blazing pelican
Also very skilled BLM
hybrid rapids
waxen wagon
for the second phase of O10S, as long as i drop the blizzard to the opposite side of exaflare, is that good enough? or is it better to drop it at the corner?
wet stag
Corner is better
waxen wagon
thanks.
lyric summit
opposite is good enough, corner is gooder enough tho
wet stag
If you're pugging I'd say corner
rapid sapphire
(miniparse is showing me as both worst dps and best in percentage of damage)
wet stag
You have no one to blame but yourself for not melding vit
midnight hollow
I dont actually need it if i just not do that
I can just cast manaward or something
I just didnt expect to actually die
wet stag
What's your ilvl
midnight hollow
383
wet stag
MELD VIT 
midnight hollow
dont need it
midnight hollow
I dont need it
you only need it if you die to an unavoidable aoe
i died because of a mistake, not because i lacked hp
wet stag
The point of melding vit is to lower the chance of that happening
Don't be a Tiffany liz
midnight hollow
its zero chance if you just not play bad
wet stag
Meld fucking vit
midnight hollow
dont need a crutch
midnight hollow
I mean do you disagree?
whats the point of having vit melds if you dont die anyway?
with or without them?
wet stag
Not melding vit for a <1% increase in dps is fucking stupid
Because on the chance that you do die
Rip run
midnight hollow
thats not a reason to have vit when you dont need it
??
Just dont play badly
and you dont need it
midnight hollow
what? healers will heal the same amount either way
wet stag
midnight hollow
if you take 40k dmg, they are still healing 40k whether you have 46 k or 50k hp
thonk indeed
wet stag
Yeah but melding vit gives them a bit more leeway in regards to using only regens to top you off
midnight hollow
No same scenario there as well.
wet stag
Not really
midnight hollow
the only leeway anybody is getting is you,
you are getting leeway to make a mistake
dont need it if you dont make mistake
wet stag
I mean
midnight hollow
I can understand melding vit if you dont have enugh hp to survive an aoe
uncut charm
well that is in theory
midnight hollow
but if you have enough hp, you really dont need it.
uncut charm
unless you are implying your group is that good where no one makes mistakes and your healer's regen/heal game is so on point
then I mean sure
but then again if your team is that good maybe you are already IL390+
midnight hollow
Ive i was progging something then maybe I would need vit
midnight hollow
im waiting for my static to catch up
wet stag
Or are you waiting for welfare gear before you prog
midnight hollow
ive been doign o9s repeatedly
wet stag
Oh
midnight hollow
i dont make o9s mistakes much
midnight hollow
because blm has some hard cut offs for sps
not sure exatly what they are but there are times where you can lose a fire iv
midnight hollow
i can honestly run o9s 50 times in a row and not die to anything
so for what im doing currently, dont need it
wet stag
It's losing a fire 4 < dying in prog but maybe that's just me
Wow
You can run the easiest fight this tier flawlessly
midnight hollow
my static doesnt seem like it will catch up very quickly easily
i already told you if i was progging i might need it
whats your point
goign in circles now?
dat short term memory
wet stag
Yeah but you will be
midnight hollow
and?
midnight hollow
i know.,
wet stag
Do what you want I'm not ur dad
dull radish
Mmm I've been in enough situations with pugs where even in 9s I'd probably still recommend VIT melds. But yeah, not the biggest deal for the fight. Though at the same time, it's pretty rare that you're below a workable spellspeed threshold with VIT melds, and swapping to sps on all your accessories gets you to a viable point
normal sable
There isn't even shit that hits hard in o9s
Why would you use that for the measuring stick of "should I meld vit"
rapid grove
Question, for o12s
wet stag
Answer, for o12s
rapid grove
Before the first firewall cast where both boss are targettelble
pure yoke
To cover for healer error in prog
rapid grove
Can I snapshot my dots @@
pure yoke
Which happens
wet stag
Just quick nock lmao
rapid grove
Ah I see, oof
boreal edge
tfw M and F are windows firewall
rapid grove
Didn't know it didn't snapshot like normal @@
normal sable
Like that shit was the dumbest shit I've ever heard
rapid grove
Big oof
normal sable
I don't need vit because I am good at o9s lmao
normal sable
Do you even die in o9s
to raidwides
You literally just die to mantle right
Earth phase, orb phase
Both mantle
wet stag
Primordial crust is the one I think
normal sable
I wasn't even close 
wet stag
Accretion is white hole
boreal edge
what if that vit meld
normal sable
I survived a cauterize today with third eye
boreal edge
made u survive the beyond death debuff
normal sable
And grilled turban
boreal edge
normal sable
That 43 vit food
wet stag
Grilled turban kek
normal sable
Really paid off
normal sable
Cauterize hit me for 51.9k
uncut charm
When people dont position and day dreaming
normal sable
Fucking YIKES
wet stag
@boreal edge I mean since you get hit by stuff when you have magic vuln
That vit meld won't help u live through 300k damage lol
normal sable
That woulda been like 58k w/o third eye
wet stag
Third eye is 10% yeah?
normal sable
yea
normal sable
BIG MITIGATION
wet stag
Hey it's half a rampart
normal sable
To be fair I also have 3 vit melds
wet stag
57.6k damage yeah
normal sable
I think with shakshouka I'm up to like 58k?
wet stag
If you didn't have third eye
normal sable
It's fucking dumb lmao
normal sable
Vit melds look a lot more attractive
wet stag
LMAO
normal sable
Once you start progging 11
normal sable
Even during 10, vit melds can keep you alive for bad healers
Protostar and ahks are actually scary in pugs
send help
uncut charm
Sometimes I cant even trust healers in 9s earth phase to top me to full
dull radish
Update program flamethrower can be spooky with slightly inattentive healers too
uncut charm
You should see some of my weekly clear runs
I used divine veil when all are stacking and then repraisaled and pop conval
Still die to debuff
YaoMing
Tried to help healer but no shielding/migration from them
WHM then fanatically spam cure 3
lyric summit
the mch wet dream tbh
boreal edge
@quick verge thats between panto 1 and panto 2 iirc?
lyric summit
apply burning dot and a ground aoe
quick verge
mch dream is having 0 latency
lyric summit
use the skills after the animation starts
hybrid rapids
I think fastest is -1ms ?
Canβt recall
Anyway, even JP playing on 2 digits ping
Like below 20 is possible
wet stag
one digit policy
quick verge
oof
blazing pelican
Negative ping. The server knows what you'll do before you do.
opal hollow
Skynet going out of control
stable basin
Don't you mean seizing control?
thorn bear
Mfw I tried to not use defiance to heal myself during earthquake
And I died for it
Classic
quick verge
pop conva pop rampart or something
healers should have fat heals immediately after eq goes out anyway
sch with deploy adlo + indom and/or ETactics succor
quick verge
like shit
It's week 6 or something
don't even need good cd usage to not get fisted
thorn bear
!whologs @thorn bear
storm frostBOT
quick verge
Assuming tsunami first
thorn bear
But I'll pop rampart too
thorn bear
I use raw int for shake it off
Just veng usually for me
And yeah holmgang the or
Orb
quick verge
on second eq
when you have aggro again
rampart + conv and w/e cds you want
aren't going to need any of them for a while
thorn bear
Yeah
quick verge
im p sure you don't actually need any cds to survive chaotic dispersion
living dead popped for exactly 0 of them today
unreal flax
I need to look more closely at pulls of that fight. I feel like my opener is smoother if we get early Blaze, but since there's the reset in the middle, would it be better to get the smoother opener in the beginning or in the second half?
quick verge
Blaze first is better for memeruns iirc because 0 downtime until orb
unreal flax
I'm sad that the game works properly to my disadvantage sometimes.
Cyclone phase. Umbra Smash. I Shoulder Tackled. Through the center. Everything worked as expected.
quick verge
have tank pull center and point e/w and no chance to get fucked by windburn
unreal flax
Oh, I meant after he jumped. I ST'd before he was out of range, so I went straight through the tornado to the other side. I was in the tornado for like 2 frames, but it was enough to pick up the debuff on the way lolol
quick verge
get the pocket pick whm/drk to benison and tbn you
safe sapphire
Quick question, got 380/390 gear but Iβve still got a 365 weapon, any way to get a better one?
unreal flax
Fuck a Mendacity Weapon. You buckle up and strap in and go get that D I A M O N D W E A P O N
safe sapphire
Idk but diamond weapon sounds like a grind
unreal flax
Only need 8 clears of O8S. ezpz. I think it even has echo now.
no mechanics, just walk in, walk out
quick verge
It's going to be impossible for you to get one anyway for a while since nobody is running o8s
safe sapphire
Sorry but what encounter is that? The scaled ultima weapon?
unreal flax
Sigmascape 4 Savage
unreal flax
If you can clear Tam Tara Deepcroft, you can clear O8S.
lyric summit
get the mendacity weapon and upgrade it to 370 while you collect alphascape crystalloids
unreal flax
^
safe sapphire
Gotcha
lyric summit
and remember to save tomes so that you have 1000 (3 weeks worth) once you get the 7th crystalloid
unreal flax
Also, you can use the Mendacity weapon to learn and eventually farm Suzaku for a midpoint weapon (i385)
Also, as an aside, while I'm mostly just fuckin around, I totally recommend jumping into O8S. it's a really fun fight. Just stressful enough to keep it interesting.
O4S as well, if we're being honest. That was a ton of fun.
safe sapphire
Thanks very much
quick verge
!whologs @lyric summit
storm frostBOT
blazing pelican
first time past Hello World 2 and we just clear >_>
lyric summit
my uwu 9 doesn't show up thanksss
thorn bear
I want to make an o8s party for fun one day
And get all the pugs who never cleared to join like they always do
blazing pelican
!whologs @blazing pelican
storm frostBOT
blazing pelican
not updated yet
steep iris
parse prob not even uploaded yet
or it's unlisted/private
fflogs usually uploads within a couple of seconds
oh wait
you posted the parse up there
blazing pelican
caster coat, mnk weapon, war got the coffer, and I got the mount
blazing pelican
nani the fuck
quick verge
π π π
unreal flax
π π π
dull radish
give caster coat <3
also that's a common thing I've heard from a good number of groups, usually clear once you get past HW2, or within a few pulls after
unreal flax
Unless I clear with pugs, I'm almost certainly getting the coffer.
unreal flax
Wait a fuckin minute. Pantokrator is just Seed of the Sky from A8S, but in the opposite direction lol
Nvm. Pantokrator beginning is basically indicated by the circle dance.
quick verge
omega doing tippy taps
hoary geyser
Hey what's the drop rate on eScape (the orchestrion roll from Alphascape 3)?
My boyfriend has run Alpha 3 over 200 times and it has not once showed up in the loot pool.
torn kindle
based on my personal experience probably >= 5%
ornate blade
unlucky
cloud bluff
Iβve seen it drop like, twice but Iβve only run it around 10 times so far.
Sadly not into my possession. 
wet stag
What if I just want to eScape sumomo's bullshit
quick verge
sumomo?
quick verge
i pee a little when nobody dies during panto 2
unique wolf
high level famfrit gamer
wet stag
He was asking for eureka nerfs too 
lyric summit
I'm Begging for pagos nerfs tbh fix your biggest mistake in this game yoshi
torn kindle
make shiver emote more common pls
quick verge
the biggest mistake in this game
quick verge
5 levels in 1 nm
lyric summit
exp is already easy af to get
lyric summit
I hit 35 like 3 months ago, got like 20 louhi ice but I still need 10 protean
wet stag
Tbh just reduce pagos enemy health
lyric summit
for first weapon
quick verge
pagos weapons look like ass anyway
lyric summit
make NMs die faster so people without aetherytes and mounts can be even more salty in shout that the entire instance didn't wait 10 minutes for them to walk over
full wave
I wouldn't mind tanky mobs if they were interesting to fight or gave more
fringe granite
I'd definitely agree with that in respect to the dragons
cloud bluff
Thatβs why I just donβt bother walking over cause I know Iβm not going to make it.
rapid sapphire
still applies to pagos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlWxRzPDfpc
and pyros and...
blazing pelican
!whologs @blazing pelican
storm frostBOT
blazing pelican
OK, it's actually ranked now
quick verge
when ucob
blazing pelican
Never.
quick verge
bet
rapid sapphire
(the 3 things I want to see to make eureka not cancer: mobs with similar difficulty scaling to diadem [no damage sponges unless high end mob], double the already nerfed frosted crystal rate in pagos, and remove the party level restrictions [no yoshi-p, carry parties won't ruin the experence more than its ruined itself for anyone who didn't grind at day 1])
quick verge
3 things to make eureka better
make the weapons cooler
mounts earlier
pazuzuspacito 3
rapid sapphire
yeah that would help pagos a lot to give them at lv 30 or something
doesn't help that 80% of the story (sic) of pagos is blown at like 27 (I ignore it exists so don't remember)
fringe granite
It's 21 23 25 and 29 so far for me
glossy musk
Yeah famfrit dude is the reason I had the name ADD ECHO TO EUREKA for awhile
He was complaining that he couldn't kill a single enemy, that they were too hard
quick verge
im too hard
steady pebble
you just need a little butter and then you'll be soft again, biscuit
rapid sapphire
I still have to get bolts to drop (so I can pretend to get something of value from norm drops :<
tardy ginkgo
its okay i havent gotten anything either from weeklies and i dont need anything from o12s other than mount
think in the past two weeks ive only gotten one drop?
rapid sapphire
i would like weapon from 12s but unless I really step up the way I play by magic I'll probably never get it and it'll be on the list of could have got (a12s, o4s, o8s mounts, birds, dogs with exception in shin ex which dropped during my clear but i rolled low)
tardy ginkgo
: /
tardy ginkgo
f
vagrant crest
ouch man
unreal flax
Primal people. Queue up for Bowl of Embers. I need a tank, healer, and DPS.
Oh wait, this is endgame
tardy ginkgo
Bowl of Embers IS endgame @unreal flax
unreal flax
Y- YEAH!
steep summit
I didnβt even log on yesterday I canβt put up with the trolls in o9s anymore
prime pivot
Static life is good
Or join one of the raiding discord and sub for missing static members
scenic patrol
the gayness to transcend Omega prime
wet stag
Why can I not clear then