endgame-lounge

[stable basin]

Actually, Gordias was the tier that had DPS checks that hard, wasn't it?

[scenic patrol]

Only Ultimate

You don't need healer or tank DPS for the rest

If and if

The dps players are good

Which is fucking rare

[sour solstice]

rdps req for 5s is something like 22k?

its fucking low

[scenic patrol]

Players in this game are garbage

[zinc vortex]

hello did you say garbage players

[stable basin]

that's genre wide Johni

[zinc vortex]

[scenic patrol]

It takes very little to output decent numbers

[zinc vortex]

here i am boyos

ama

[sour solstice]

hows your SAM parse runs going along?

[boreal edge]

A3s and A4S had bloody checks

[stable basin]

most of the rest of MMOdom tends to have weaksauce dps checks though unless you play on the super hard brain breaker difficulty though

[sour solstice]

have you hit 4k yet?

[zinc vortex]

negatory

[sour solstice]

good shit

[scenic patrol]

Have yet to level Sam to 70

[boreal edge]

a3s wasnt that bad

but still was a hard dps check

a4s was bloody one

i remember our 1st enrage wipe was 33%

[heavy mist]

lol

33

[boreal edge]

then we were cutting it 1 and 2 % everytime

[sour solstice]

how many deaths

on the 33%

[boreal edge]

no deaths

[sour solstice]

OOF

[heavy mist]

what week was this

just curious

[boreal edge]

i think it was 6th

[heavy mist]

o dang

[boreal edge]

or 7th

[heavy mist]

insane

[stable basin]

there was a time though in MMOdom where it often took weeks or months for content to be world firsted

[boreal edge]

after 1st enrage

we killed a4s

3 weeks later

[stable basin]

now apart from the Ultimates and a few WoW mythic final bosses it's practically day one for everything

[sour solstice]

Yeah

[boreal edge]

[stable basin]

even UWU didn't last the week

[sour solstice]

because the content was hard

also most of the fights were overtuned as fuck

[heavy mist]

i guess also people werent used to the classes like they were today

[boreal edge]

uwu was mostly learning mechanics

[sour solstice]

like for example

[heavy mist]

rotations werent as simplified

[sour solstice]

a common place to point for those days is Wrath

[boreal edge]

WF make dps checks irrelevant

[sour solstice]

whose final boss was mathematically impossible

[heavy mist]

and gordias being first tier plus hard. And coming from ARR 💦

[sour solstice]

without 2 weeks of buffs

[boreal edge]

a4s was special case

it was gearcheck

[sour solstice]

So gee I wonder why that prog took a fucking month

or vanilla nax

which required 4 geared warriors

when most guilds had 1 or 2

[boreal edge]

surviving 4th mortal revolution was impossible be4 5th week

[sour solstice]

so people had to level all the way to max and regear

for 1 fight

[stable basin]

yeah most of the issue with Vanilla Naxx was not only that but (also with Sunwell) it was mathematically impossible for anyone not already in the race to get into it

[boreal edge]

ppl had 11k hp surviving 17k aoe hit

[stable basin]

because with weekly loot lockouts there was no way you were gonna get a guild geared before expansion

[heavy mist]

sac strat a4s 💦

[sour solstice]

My point being

those old days

were WF took a month+

were kinda shit

[boreal edge]

it was tough check

their 1st enrage was 79%

[stable basin]

Ouch

[sour solstice]

79% enrage

[heavy mist]

thats so disheartening

[boreal edge]

boss enraged as soon last phase started

[sour solstice]

dont even get to see mechanics

[stable basin]

ah, back when HP% based phases were common

[sour solstice]

feels bad man

[heavy mist]

enraging at 79% and be like uh we have to do that much more deeps 💦

[boreal edge]

that was in 5th week

killed A3S in that week

funny how it took us 1 week to learn A4S til enrage and 3 weeks to kill it

[stable basin]

isn't that probably more common than not for most statics though Grind?

[scenic patrol]

I think that bosses that are tuned so you need gear from previous floors are gay

[heavy mist]

lol if u saw god kefka enrage

[sour solstice]

Yes

its garbage design

[heavy mist]

you'd probably clear within the week

[sour solstice]

that artificially prolongs a tier

[heavy mist]

compared to a tier with dps checks like that

imagine seeing god kefka enrage and waiting weeks for gear to clear

thats how it feels

[stable basin]

I wonder how many of the statics stuck on O7S are stuck because they know the fight perfectly but can't deliver the RDPS

[dull radish]

very few

[heavy mist]

indeed very few now

i365 weapons + what 3-4 weeks of i370 left side

[sour solstice]

id say 0

tbh

[heavy mist]

maybe a couple if they somehow dont know their rotation enough to be applied to o7s

but thats what o6s is for

a rotation check

[dull radish]

yeah like

it's not like the fight's dps checks are really that tough at all

[scenic patrol]

My static got to a point where we could ignore certain mechanics

Last clear we didn't even see Bib

And we are mediocre

[heavy mist]

keep wiping so u dont see 2 inks 😮

[boreal edge]

we skipped the bilbo circles

[scenic patrol]

We did it on a 2 inks clear

[boreal edge]

let alone the add

[scenic patrol]

We saw the circles

But ignored

[boreal edge]

after A4S

kill

i stopped being hardcore raider

it killed me

raiding 40 hours a week

for almost 2 months

[heavy mist]

i figure that wold happen to a lot

[scenic patrol]

I can at max raid 12 hours a week

Honestly

[sour solstice]

I dunno how the WF people do it

it was what

100 hours?

for WF UwU?

over 6 fucking days?

[scenic patrol]

21 hours raid day

[sour solstice]

I thought it was 16 for 5 and 21 on the last

[scenic patrol]

Aye

[sour solstice]

yeah

thats just

[scenic patrol]

They cleared a day after the 21 hours raid day

[sour solstice]

I cant imagine that

[vital cypress]

how do you not just lose focus after a while

[boreal edge]

i was no lifer

like em

now im married

with 3 kids

[scenic patrol]

I can't keep focus for savage raiding for more than 4 hours

[zinc vortex]

4 hours? oof

im jealous

i get antsy after an hour

which is why i raid on the most casual of levels

2 hours a week even during prog

WOKE 👌🏻 😂 🔥

[boreal edge]

wasnt he the guy who made ramuh ex?

whole grounded shit was fun

as tank

to lower his buster dmg from 18k to 3k

u just stop doing any action when u get tethered

and 1 of the pair get grounded buff

i was midcore in whole coil

then i wanted to go hardcore when gordias drop

regretted that decision 5 weeks in

when effects of 40 hours per week raiding started to take effect

getting tired,vomiting,red eyes and lack of sleep

still kept going til the end

[normal mesa]

i think the max i could do is 30 hours a week

[boreal edge]

immediately quit that static after A4S kill

[normal mesa]

like three ten hour sessions spread out maybe?

that i could do

18 i could do...

[boreal edge]

we were raiding 6 hours everyday

[normal mesa]

yeah

I'm just sayin what I could manage. For me, it would need to be overnight cuz of my kid.

[boreal edge]

then ppl complained about gordias dps check being brutal

after they said FCOB was easy

then we got midas

dps checks in midas got easier by alot

[stable basin]

I don't know how people can do 40 hours a week of raiding

[boreal edge]

but

[stable basin]

The hardest I ever pushed was trying to get Shinryu down at the very end of 4.1, which was basically 3hrs a night every night for 2 weeks till I got the group that could

and even that had significant effects on me

[boreal edge]

it involved hardest mechanics ever introduced in ffxiv before ultimate became a thing

[lyric summit]

gib ultimate Alex

[stable basin]

I think part of the problem is that difficulty balance is just a delicate thing, and there's always gonna be salt no matter what you do

[dull radish]

midas was a great middle ground

I dont' think there was really salt about midas

[stable basin]

and there is a frequent tendency really in all games to overbalance when it's widely felt things are too far one side or the other

Midas? Wasn't A6S a static murderer like A3S?

[dull radish]

not nearly in the same fashion

[stable basin]

I think part of it is the shit moderators on the SE forums tbh too

[boreal edge]

then ppl said midas is hard plz nerf

and we got creator

[stable basin]

You have A LOT of people who are scared as fuck to say their piece because of the way bans get thrown around there

Or who are just already banned for some stupid lame reason

Hells I read on Reddit of at least one person who was banned from the OF before they ever set foot in it

[boreal edge]

creator and fcob were on easy side

but

that was perfect difficulty

raid tiers should be cleared in 1st week by WF

the longer it takes

and you made a tier impossible for 95% of playerbase

[lyric summit]

a11s was fun, took me like 4 months to clear but I was a babby

[boreal edge]

a11s

[lyric summit]

now I feel trash for clearing o7s week 3

[boreal edge]

where farm means nothing

everytime you see unexpected mechanic

there

[lyric summit]

you could skip so much

I heard Legends but all of my statics were too bad lul

[boreal edge]

you thought laser sword coming? no im gonna do optical sight

[dull radish]

eh

you could control dps easily enough

[boreal edge]

u thought optical sight coming?

no im gonna do laser sword

[stable basin]

part of the other issue of course is we have small tiers and only two difficulty levels, one of them specifically reserved as easy mode

[dull radish]

it's not like it was random or unexpected mechanics

[stable basin]

which leaves limited latitude for tuning

[dull radish]

it's just, if you happened to push too much during a certain thing, it would skip a mechanic

only happened in a few cases in 11, for specific things

[stable basin]

but yeah, I think a major part of it is that they rely stupidly heavily on the OF for everything and the OF moderators are shit

[dull radish]

eh

[stable basin]

Blizzard has PTRs (though that has other issues, makes me sad that content is spoiled more or less entirely before release) and not-shit forum mods that I've seen

[boreal edge]

i think

they started to give reddit credit now

or

attention

since ungarmax bug

[stable basin]

YAY MOON BUN DOWN

[lyric summit]

grats

[true lark]

where does kojin start?

and do you need shisui to do it

[heavy mist]

yes iirc

[scenic patrol]

Why would you do Kojin without flying?

[heavy mist]

also seeing kiri in reddit discord 👀

[scenic patrol]

He has been here for a long time

[barren grove]

After doing Susano normal i think

[true lark]

i come here a lot

i was one of the OG /r/ffxiv discord shitposters

[scenic patrol]

Emiin, Nemekh and Kiri are the most prominent Balance figures on this server

Also Tiff I guess

[lyric summit]

and Rika

[heavy mist]

guess i dont see them talk a lot here

as much as balance

[scenic patrol]

Rika is a new addition

[meager walrus]

Alright I'm new to dps endgame so I'm trying to figure out how you guys gauge power on these striking dummies

I'm a fresh 70 on SMN, lots to learn. My ilvl is like 345 and I can just barely clear the Omega Sigmascape dummy

I started with Tsuku EX but only got to 10% and worked my way up from there.

[boreal edge]

not smn so cant help

but this could help

!faq smnguide

[storm frost]

Tsundere Imouto's 4.1 Summoner Guide

Info

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HzHDRWtvsMsWzH9ivbcFVEHAbPgfC3nhp4y0TrCa0qg/edit#bookmark=id.clsyurw3guai

[sour solstice]

just install ACT

gauge your damage on the dummy using that

[last galleon]

SSS dummies are overtuned and the rotation needed to beat them on SMN isn't really conventional

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de8_S5MiMQ0

watch this for the general SMN rotation instead

[stable basin]

is that true of SMN on dummies in general btw? as in the optimal dummy rotation ends up differing from the real battle one?

(I'm gonna guess the root of the problem is that Ifrit doesn't get to get the buff from the shield thingy because dummy doesn't attack)

well, the vuln up debuff, but you get what I mean

[dull radish]

it's generally more a nuance of being a strict 3m timer without any party buffs to align to

it's not just a SMN thing, but yeah

you time things with that end time in mind

[blissful solstice]

@meager walrus i'm a SMN main i can probably help

[stable basin]

hmm is there something wrong with my raid finder btw?

I've cleared O5S, been doing that every week for over two months pretty much actually

but O6S has the lock icon

[sour solstice]

you cant que for it

unless you've done it this week

[meager walrus]

To be honest I was a hardcore WoW raider and the SMN opener is like nothing I ever encountered in that game

[sour solstice]

unless your party leader ques you

[stable basin]

ah, you have to do your weekly first

[sour solstice]

but you forfeit loot for 5s

[stable basin]

not that I'd want to but it seemed like my RF was bugged lol

[sour solstice]

technically you could jump into 8s

[paper torrent]

It's so people just don't stop straight up doing fights

[blissful solstice]

the SMN opener is bullshit

[sour solstice]

but

[boreal edge]

i heard wow has 4 buttons now

[stable basin]

LOL that is SO not true Grind

[boreal edge]

or at least single digit num of button

[stable basin]

The rotations are easier, but they still are real rotations

[steady pebble]

eh idk

[stable basin]

well, except maybe frost mage, which is usually "spam frostbolt until RNG decides something wants to proc light up" and not much else

[sour solstice]

Uh

[steady pebble]

base rotation for frost dk is like 4 buttons

[torn kindle]

WoW has the buttons light up so you know what to hit. /s

[stable basin]

So does XIV, Wynne

[steady pebble]

ignoring the buffs

[stable basin]

you know, the little border around the next thing in your combo?

so

i'm gonna stream again in a hour

unless one of our player can't make it on time.

[sour solstice]

Technically

[scenic patrol]

FC also lights up

[stable basin]

but yeah. actions affected by procs in general in xiv light up

[scenic patrol]

doesn't mean I want to hit it immediately

[sour solstice]

you can do 1 button rotations

on WoW

[boreal edge]

they even deleted raid buffs

[sour solstice]

Fucking WeakAuras

[stable basin]

delted? wow i didn't know it was deltaed

[sour solstice]

delete that broken ass addon

[meager walrus]

The rotations are involved in WoW but the SMN rotation is incredibly tight. You can get by in WoW 99% of the time just by like... Prioritizing.

[boreal edge]

ppl cried about ppl milking raid buffs so they deleted em

[stable basin]

@meager walrus part of that is that outside of Mythic raids and very high Mythic+ keys the DPS checks are a lot less strict too

[sour solstice]

WoW rotations for most classes are pretty fucking easy

[vital cypress]

the SMN rotation is tight but screwing up any individual part of it doesn't screw you over that much

[stable basin]

You can get by grey a lot more readily there than you can here, assuming the rest of the group is not carrying you with their DPS

[sour solstice]

I mean

o5s

[paper torrent]

AKH MORN

[sour solstice]

can be cleared with 8 grey parsers

just saying

[vital cypress]

given how percentiles scale

[paper torrent]

@sour solstice why haven't you guys cleared then :^)

[torn kindle]

dying as a SMN can make you lose two minutes of progress towards Bahamut

[vital cypress]

i wouldn't be surprised if O8S can be cleared by 8 grey parsers

[torn kindle]

which feels bad

[stable basin]

Tell me about it Wynne

[vital cypress]

assuming they're at the 20-24ish end

[stable basin]

First time I hit 70 on SMN I figured "okay, I'll take it out for a spin in Lakshmi to get some endgame practice with it"

[paper torrent]

okay that was just toxic

i appologize @sour solstice

[vital cypress]

and not at the 5-10% end

[meager walrus]

How much should my Ahk Morns be hitting for? They hit for around 15k and Deathflare is around 12k. A crit is really damn juicy on this job.

[stable basin]

... a few AoEs dropped on my head later by inattentive PUGs I'm like "why the fuck did I even learn Summon Bahamut again?"

[sour solstice]

[scenic patrol]

you'll like won't manage to see past enrage with grey party

[boreal edge]

all fights can be cleared by 8 grey players

[scenic patrol]

on O8S

[sour solstice]

Just install ACT Isaac

its really the only way to get your proper dps

[vital cypress]

i'm curious now

25th is the grey-green breakpoint isn't it

[last galleon]

35k direct crit ahk morn

yeah i believe 25 is green

[meager walrus]

Alright yalia I'll look into it

[stable basin]

yeah green 25, blue 50, purple 75, orange 95

[meager walrus]

Although I did hear once that it was weird with tracking pet damage

But that was ages ago

[vital cypress]

adding up the top 4 DPS+2 tanks+2 healers actually gives you 32214 DPS in Godka

[last galleon]

not so much pet, dots are tracked not accurately though

[vital cypress]

with limit break, yeah that'll get you a clear

(at the 25th percentile)

[last galleon]

just because FF14 does the combined dot tick instead of assigning dot damage to each player

[torn kindle]

Does Bahamut suffer from the pet potency reduction? I'm not sure

[last galleon]

yes

[stable basin]

and then gold is 100, but gold is silly to actively try for for the most part

[torn kindle]

makes you wonder why that still exists

they could just change the potencies to match their true amount

[stable basin]

you really can't get gold generally without pretty much tailoring the entire party makeup around you getting it

[vital cypress]

of course with any percentiles that count for the damage charts on fflogs there's some serious score effects going on

since it only counts logs that cleared for the job charts

so there's plenty of 4000 DPS bards and red mages out there that are not, in fact, going to make the DPS check no matter who's carrying them

[normal mesa]

yup

[stable basin]

Yeah, I'm a bad red mage LOL

[vital cypress]

i think the DPS check on godka is like 32k?

[stable basin]

although my main has pretty much officially shifted to SCH at this point

[boreal edge]

32.7k

[vital cypress]

but then that fight throws limit breaks at you like candy

[boreal edge]

u can get free lb3 with a sch

[stable basin]

question. for the phase with ghosts, is it the ghost that need to be dead, or is it the exit that you have to interact to remove the choke debuff?

yeah, there has to be some serious circumstances going on in that fight for 32.7k to be viable outside of Ultimate

[boreal edge]

ghost dead

[paper torrent]

just the ghost

[stable basin]

I mean hell, Entropy's best UWU clear is only 32.9k

[boreal edge]

godka has 0 downtime

[sour solstice]

wat

[stable basin]

[boreal edge]

uwu has 3 mins downtime

[stable basin]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/Dpvqy9BzLGXbQW34#fight=1&type=damage-done

[vital cypress]

(let's be fair i've seen about 30 seconds of godka)

[sour solstice]

[vital cypress]

(i just know how to run the windows calculator)

[boreal edge]

if we to remove downtime from entropy

they actually did 42.6k rdps

[last galleon]

yeah 32k is totally reasonable in a fight with pretty much 100% uptime...

can't really compare it with uwu

[scenic patrol]

Getting to past Forsaken 2 is an uphill battle

[stable basin]

yeah entropy's best godka clear is 44.4k

[heavy mist]

getting to god is an uphill battle

[boreal edge]

if u wanna have chance to kill uwu

u need to kill godka in less than 9 mins

[scenic patrol]

That is not terribly hard

[boreal edge]

our fastest godka kill

was 9:30

[heavy mist]

do more dmg

[boreal edge]

with 2 deaths

[scenic patrol]

Press buttons

[boreal edge]

it was 37.5k rdps iirc

36.9k rdps

not 9 mins

you need to kill him

in 8:30 mins

to make uwu dps check

[dull radish]

are you comparing from when the dps check matters for uwu or not

because otherwise it's not really a fair comparison

[heavy mist]

gotta calculate from suppression

well depends on how much u get down during cast bar

then after

[dull radish]

dps doesn't matter beforehand, and it's gonna fluctuate due to AoE/downtime and even holding dps in some cases

[sour solstice]

or you could just be a cheapass and exploit the bug

[heavy mist]

no

probably get banned if u abuse it

best not to

[sour solstice]

true

[boreal edge]

wondering why it didnt get fixed yet

[heavy mist]

cause it takes time....

plus even if they dont

[stable basin]

cuz how many players does ultimate?

[sour solstice]

couldnt they just add an instakill cast

[heavy mist]

they can keep track of who uses it

[sour solstice]

after

?

[heavy mist]

so even if u use it now

they know

and can

[boreal edge]

@sour solstice yoshi wanted enrage wipe to be epic

[sour solstice]

I said after

[dull radish]

yeah like

they could just make auto-wipe condition after the 8th member slot is "pulled in"

[heavy mist]

they could just end instance

[dull radish]

whether it is or not

[sour solstice]

just add another Ultima cast

[normal mesa]

yeah

[sour solstice]

since you wont be able to tank lb3 that shit

[dull radish]

that, or put in some max timer for it

[boreal edge]

like how UCOB gold bahamut reset fight if tanks died to akh morn?

[stable basin]

wait, you mean Akh Morn or Morn Afah?

[boreal edge]

akh morn

[stable basin]

"You are in a twisty maze of boss ability names, all different"

[boreal edge]

morn afah is the soak

[stable basin]

though tbh, from what I understand, any deaths on gold bahamut more or less mean you might as well start over anyways

[boreal edge]

depends on where u die

those ppl had tank dying at final akh morn

[dull radish]

morn afah is the enrage in ucob

[heavy mist]

if 1 dies at the end

[boreal edge]

at 7%

[heavy mist]

its fine nowadays

assuming everyone else is like real good

instead of everyone being mediocre

i345 💦

[boreal edge]

they could have cleared but bahamut said no and reset fight with 7 ppl alive

[stable basin]

yeah, apparently you basically can't clear ucob in your normal gear set?

huh, wonder if that was meant to be a mechanic or if that's a bug

[dull radish]

hm?

[normal mesa]

materia sync

[stable basin]

the auto reset thing, Rika

[boreal edge]

it happened to many grps

[stable basin]

yeah probably intended then

[boreal edge]

but se didnt fix it

[stable basin]

sometimes it's hard to tell in ultimate if something is a bug or just one of the intended fuck yous

[torn kindle]

good thing SE added i345 dungeon gear

[heavy mist]

i375 dungeon gear when

[stable basin]

probably 4.5

most likely next patch's dungeons are gonna be i365

maybe i355?

but yeah. i375 will probably be the final dungeons of the expansion

[steady pebble]

365

because its 20 ilvl difference

between bonewiccah and farlander

[scenic patrol]

375 will be 4.5

[heavy mist]

isnt skalla i315

[torn kindle]

yep

[heavy mist]

then yeh i375

[stable basin]

hmmm wonder if there might even be two dungeons in 4.5, since we're not getting a third Ultimate

[steady pebble]

unlikely

[stable basin]

yeah if there's an extra of anything it might be a trial

[steady pebble]

them not doing a third ultimate doesn't necessarily mean we'll get another dungeon

especially since they're probably going to be focusing mostly on the next expac at that point

[stable basin]

depends if the Monster Hunter trial is also the 4.4 main trial or if it's an extra

[torn kindle]

I think they didn't want to do a third ultimate since they ran out of super hard stuff for ARR and didn't want to use HW fights early

[stable basin]

since presumably 4.4 and 4.5 will each have a trial

[torn kindle]

unless they wanted to go full-on crystal tower

[stable basin]

it sounds like the MHW event is probably gonna be kinda soon for it to be 4.4 though

Wynne, I kinda think the usual speculation that the expansion cycle is an issue might be right

[sour solstice]

prolly late 4.35

or something

[boreal edge]

info in july

[stable basin]

a 4.5 ultimate gives only a small amount of time before 5.0

[boreal edge]

could come with eureka

[stable basin]

on top of that, with no further 4.x patches, it'd be even more problematic to revisit in the future

[heavy mist]

small amount of 6 months

💦

[stable basin]

since there probably wouldn't be an i405 dungeon

[heavy mist]

whatever shall we do

[stable basin]

not that you'd want an i405 dungeon. you'd probably be stopping in place for minutes at a time

(US road traffic joke)

[torn kindle]

Diadem comes back with a vengeance

[boreal edge]

they really need to fix ilvl sync

and make melds not ignored

[stable basin]

Yeah, that seems to be the usual suggestion put forth, allow melds for ilvl synced gear

seems it should be simple enough owo

[boreal edge]

ppl say

[stable basin]

just limit the materia to the maximum tier that ilvl item would have allowed, if "you could use VI's in low level areas" is an issue

[boreal edge]

you wanna do sastasha with 720 worth of substats

[vital cypress]

which i-405 are we talking about

[stable basin]

california, lol

[vital cypress]

the one that goes through bellevue?

[stable basin]

the one with a reputation for being a parking lot

[vital cypress]

i was thinking the Oh God Don't Take I-5 Through Downtown Seattle bypass one

[stable basin]

rider keep in mind that a lot of people still attempt ucob even now. probably more than did during 4.1

[vital cypress]

but sure

[stable basin]

I still see people making O4S clear PFs for the explicit purpose of being able to give UCOB a whirl

so having an ultimate in the last tier is kinda sad

[boreal edge]

some ppl

just wanna experience neo exdeath is all

and not interested in ultimate

[stable basin]

I actually suspect UWU will get more interest than UCOB in that regard too

mostly because UWU weapons are a thing of ethereal beauty while UCOB ones are kinda garish tbh

[vital cypress]

oh i need to catch a flight out of sea-tac

[stable basin]

my midgardsormr buddies and I were looking at the uwu weapon models while we were getting ready to do moon bun recently and we were all gushing at how pretty they are

[vital cypress]

oh no i got stuck on 405 for a million hours and died from old age

[stable basin]

Estelle just don't be that one person

[vital cypress]

traffic complaints are most universal of all human experiences

[boreal edge]

ppl wont glam ultimate weapons because they are pretty

[wet stag]

Ah yes

[stable basin]

Last time I was in SeaTac I was sitting there reading Kushiel's Scion and waiting for my 10:40PM and apparently someone didn't pay their bar tab and got called out over the whole airport intercom to go back and pay it LOL

[wet stag]

The uwu weapons are objectively better than the ucob ones

[boreal edge]

but because bragging rights

[vital cypress]

nice

[wet stag]

Fuck off nadine

[vital cypress]

that happened in Detroit once

fortunately not my tab

i paid my tab

using the company card

[stable basin]

train continues to meme

good thing i'm not streaming

[unreal flax]

Second Forsaken.

GKef is fun as shit.

I'm reinvigorated.

[dull radish]

good to hear <3

[unreal flax]

<3

Honestly, and I could be WAAAAY off base here, but this fight feels easier than Neo Exdeath.

[scenic patrol]

It's a good fight

[dull radish]

I dunno that it's really any easier than neo

the only "difficulty" in neo for dps was not being dumb with emptiness haha

[unreal flax]

EMPTINESSSS AHHHH

Against all parses for Kefaust, I'm 60th. Against rankings, I'm 36th lmao.

[shadow pollen]

5% Godka enrage

Tomorrow’s the day

[unreal flax]

Niiice.

[shadow pollen]

Pugging all tier

[blissful solstice]

@shadow pollen if you want help let me know, i'm always on the hunt for sigma savage PFs to help

[pure yoke]

tragic

[stable basin]

Didn't want a static or didn't find one?

[opal hollow]

is there a way to check your ping before and after using mudfish?

it feels like it doesn'tmake a difference for me but idk

[tame jackal]

how can i make my hotbar skills shared between all classes ?

[outer garden]

ping your dc before and after you use it

using command prompt

http://is.xivup.com/ has all the dc ips

you can share hotbars in character settings

[tame jackal]

where can i find the hotbars setting ?

[outer garden]

it's under character settings

[tame jackal]

okay thanks

[opal hollow]

ahh cheers

[daring berry]

i dont think it works for pinging if you use mudfish though

since mudfish only route FFXIV traffic through it by way of the game's process name

the cmd ping won't go through the same route.

[opal hollow]

yeah that's what i thought

[outer garden]

oh hm

[opal hollow]

cuz the ping didn't change using cmd

[outer garden]

i use a different vpn and i get different ping

http://mudfish.net/docs/en/vpn/references/howto_check_myping.html

[opal hollow]

is there a secret to double weaving?>

[tame jackal]

what does Hall of Novice ( Healer and Dps ) Gives ? Tank gives Ring that increase 30% exp what about the rest ?

[lyric summit]

gear for other roles and the same ring

[tame jackal]

that's stupid.

[lyric summit]

how

[tame jackal]

you can put 2 rings only

what am i supposed to do with the 3rd one

[opal hollow]

WAIT

DO THOSE FUCKING STACK

[lyric summit]

I'm pretty sure they're unique

[tame jackal]

and exactly what Sarra said. do they stack ? XD

[lyric summit]

plus it's for people who level one role when they start the game, so they can get the same thing as people who started as other roles

I'm pretty sure they don't stack but feel free to try

[tame jackal]

well there is earrings, Necklace and Bracelet

[steady pebble]

you only get the ring once

[lyric summit]

oh yeah huh

[tame jackal]

so basically it's useless doing other exercises XD

[steady pebble]

and no they don't stack

[tame jackal]

yeah imma hard pass on the rest

[lyric summit]

it's good for gear when you're leveling alts 🤷

[opal hollow]

ah fuck that

[tame jackal]

welp you heard Sarra. as she said fuck that lol

i'm not gonna wait some npc talk forever so i end up with gear. you can craft better than them

[sour solstice]

for the level you actually cant

[lucid karma]

[sour solstice]

hall of the novice is as good as it gets for a level 15

its equal with dungeon gear

[shadow pollen]

Today's the day I pug clear Godka

Mark my words

[sour solstice]

you can do it

[shadow pollen]

I know my role

Now the true quest of self DPS optimization and hoping for competency begins

[sullen sable]

Godspeed

[blissful solstice]

@shadow pollen I can help if you need

[shadow pollen]

I’ll try later today

[vital cypress]

huh

my DRG went off and pugged godka while i wasn't looking

[lyric summit]

i mean.. not like you're gonna clear it before reset if you just cleared kefkaust, even better for the group if he gets the weapon/chest

[vital cypress]

i think that means that he gets to call for us :x

it may have been one of the union's demands, but the raid being on fire is only prolonging the healers' strike

[stable basin]

LOL

But standing in fire gives a haste buff! (My first MMO raid leader, back in Icecrown Citadel in WoW, always liked to joke this when someone had a lapse of attention)

[hot plover]

when will the restriction for farming sigma savage gear and tomes be lifted?

[lyric summit]

tomes in 4.4, savage maybe 4.35 or sometime after that, most likely before 4.4

delta restrictions were lifted in 4.18 apparently

so 4.38

[stable basin]

savage will likely be either 4.35, 4.36, or an additional 4.38 patch

I think at least once in Alex it was the .x6 patch, there was no .x8 that cycle

[lyric summit]

only creator, gordias and midas were capped until next tier came out

they changed it since they started releasing ultimates

[stable basin]

There weren't as many major patches during 4.1 either since we didn't have Eureka, now we have not only Eureka but Heaven on High

[lyric summit]

but creator went directly into stormblood and the longass content drought pre-4.0 so they uncapped creator in 3.55..b?

4.18 was the same patch as rival wings

oh no just adjustments to rival wings nvm

still, 8 weeks after the odd patch

[stable basin]

yeah I can only imagine what the Creator content drought was like

especially given the kind of pace with which the XIV community chews through content

... i'm trying to imagine even getting into XIV for most of the first half of 2017, probably better I was playing WoW that spring LOL

[lyric summit]

6 months is about enough to get through all msq and do all 60 content tbh, get a relic or two

I killed a12s like a week before it was uncapped/got echo 😤

[stable basin]

Ouch, what was PF like back then?

Better or worse than Stormblood's?

[lyric summit]

that was with a static lol

[stable basin]

also how was static formation later in the tier in alex compared to omega?

[lyric summit]

before cross world PF it was kinda hell

but when they added that it was pretty easy to find a group

[stable basin]

yeah it seems like it was better in late alex then ... in omega even with the cross world pf it seems to stagnate pretty fast unless you're really far into tiers

[lyric summit]

I mean, I started creator day 1 but it was my first tier, killed A9S like week 3

a11s took like 3 months

[stable basin]

yeah, I've never started EX or Savage content day 1

one of these tiers I'll probably learn that's the way to go if you don't want to bash your head into brick walls :p

mind you as likely or not I work the evening of the day content drops, since my days off aren't the same from week to week

and for 4.3 at least, I could barely even clear normal moon bun because there was so much lag that night

[lyric summit]

oh yeah, tsuku nm took me like a week too cause DF can't dodge fans while staying stacked 🤷

[stable basin]

Yeah that mechanic is kind of rough for a queue pug

hells it takes a little bit of getting used to even on EX, and that's where she's a little less on crack about the pace of fan spam :p

I died to it even in the clear run, though to be fair I think the stack marker was pretty much forgotten about at that point and it was indeed lunacy that got me and the BRD in the last two seconds

(the LB3 was being cast during these seconds)

[shadow pollen]

3.3 was amazing for the pug scene solely because cross-world PF

[stable basin]

yeah cross world pf makes it easier to pug certainly

i'm not sure of the effect it has on static formation

tbh, I probably have a lot to learn about that in general

I came to xiv as a starry eyed ideal "okay, a static shouldn't be too hard to put together, find seven friends who have an interest in endgame raiding and there we go right?"

[sour solstice]

It has a lot of effect on static formation

makes it way easier

and honestly

[spice comet]

Cross world static is a lot better to find ppl

[sour solstice]

its not that hard to get a static together

its fuckin 20 weeks into the tier

and I still managed to get a full one to start from scratch

[spice comet]

Like if i restraint myself to a world n try for same server prob would have found nothin

[sour solstice]

IIRC wf was still all Ragnarok wasnt it

but thats an exception not the rule

[spice comet]

Ppl can xfer

So yeah in the end it was but its more cause its wf

Food, pots, crafting is made easier if the static xfers to rag

[stable basin]

Yeah, I can't imagine say a Sirenian even being in any kind of position to compete for world first

[spice comet]

They can be and just transfer

[sour solstice]

[stable basin]

not even a matter of skill level, our market board is horrendously expensive in the early days of a tier and that's assuming the shit you need is even available

I mean, while being on Siren at the time

[sour solstice]

Uh

[spice comet]

Primal first to clear uwu had someone on ultros, they went to exodus for prog and clear

For sigma

[stable basin]

to exodus? owo

[spice comet]

Also u underestimate the money ppl have or can get especially if they're good players

[stable basin]

as in tiny low pop preferred exodus?

[spice comet]

Cause it's where the best raid guild is for primal

And best players, the top parsers, etc

Levi is the usual

[stable basin]

Levi's pretty much like Greg these days no?

[spice comet]

Exodus is just lesser known

Not as big as gil prob

Same idea

[opal hollow]

I'm thinking about starting a new character on aether/primal for o8s/uwu prog

is one a better choice over the other?

[sour solstice]

for uwu/o8s prog

[opal hollow]

ahhh ok

nah there's just barely any parties in the jp data centre

let alone english ones

it's a pain in the ass trying to find a group for o8s

[hybrid rapids]

Not about server, but group

Also, which JP data center are you in?

Never heard barely finding any party unless time zone issue

[opal hollow]

elemental

it's fine on weekends

but outside of that it's pretty annoying

[hybrid rapids]

There’re more on 20 on prime time

Mostly JP group

[opal hollow]

yeah

the language barrier is kinda annoying when im trying to prog

[hybrid rapids]

If you are speaking of godka practice and/or completion

[opal hollow]

for clears it's fine

[hybrid rapids]

I see

That can’t be helped

If you don’t have network on English side

If time zone and latency isn’t an issue for you

On NA side

Then you are good to go

Heard Aether better with raiding scene

Unless you’re finding a static

Static varies on players and motivations

[last galleon]

I tend to see more static recruitment from aether than primal

But primal is by no means a bad choice. Aether just feels a bit more active on the raiding scene.

[opal hollow]

aight sweet

time to grind to 70

[hybrid rapids]

Also, new character

Who going to sponsor you raid gear

350

And I don’t think you can make BiS in time for UwU

[spice comet]

Nope if they mean new char

[hybrid rapids]

Unless next patch

[spice comet]

Maybe for next tier

U need this tier bis for uwu so that might be harder

[opal hollow]

yeah that's fine

[hybrid rapids]

Also, I don’t think ultimate is pug-able on NA side

[opal hollow]

im at the point where there's not much to do on my server

im like afk in PF half the time waiting on people to join PF

it'll be nice going through the story and actually paying attention as well

[hybrid rapids]

it’s just wasting time imo

Until meet the desperation

Elemental isn’t bad for English

But you have to build your network

Knowing more raider friends

[opal hollow]

I MEAN

oops caps

the whole point of it is to waste time

i'd prefer going through msq again than wait in pf for a few hours during the day time

[hybrid rapids]

I would rather aim to strive full combo in bandori

Instead of hating myself

[opal hollow]

LOL

[stable basin]

Yeah raid recruitment can be like pushing your way through jello, gotta decide for yourself if you have the perseverance

It was probably ever so, going back through some old static ads I saw at least one where some friends started at Gordias and didn't have a full static for the first time till Creator

[vital cypress]

i fell into a static in like two days

probably because i lack standards

[nimble dove]

i want a static that consistently shitposts

[unreal flax]

I bounced around a few statics.

[vital cypress]

i'm on my fifth static since sigmascape hit

thrown out, disbanded, quit, disbanded

fwiw SMN is pretty popular I think?

i think it's the most common DPS outside of the Holy Trinity

i mean

for group number 5 i just made my own damn static

with blackjack

and hookers

in fact

forget the raiding

and the static

[opal hollow]

LMAO

[shadow pollen]

do one better

pug sigma

like i am

[heavy mist]

thats what i did

[stable basin]

That's probably bad for your blood pressure

[heavy mist]

or cause idgaf

[tame jackal]

what do u call fashion in this game ?

[sour solstice]

Glam

[tame jackal]

glamores ?

[normal mesa]

glamours

yeah

[tame jackal]

Glamour*

[solemn pagoda]

FAAAAAAAABULOUSSSSSSNESSS

[vital cypress]

fashion? endgame.

[lyric summit]

https://gyazo.com/8b15b38913523a5985c20c5dbb86df2c

ridorana meta

[tropic brook]

Would've be 10x better if a nin was there

[heavy mist]

would be 20x better if the DRG was a SAM

and the PLD was a DRK

[last galleon]

Don’t forget double WHM

[scenic patrol]

you mean double Scholar

[steady pebble]

double ast where both are in diurnal and constantly overwrite

[scenic patrol]

doesn't Diurnal regens stack though?

[steady pebble]

no

[scenic patrol]

that's sad

on WHM they stack no problems

[steady pebble]

ofc

because whm has no choice

for ast there's really no reason why diurnal should stack

when you've got nocturnal sect

[last galleon]

Double noct ast would be pretty great too

Only regen source is collective unconsciousness

[vital cypress]

on the other hand you could blow off a lot of mechanics with stacking shields

[last galleon]

No

They don’t stack

For exactly that reason

[vital cypress]

i mean if they did

[boreal edge]

pretty sure ast diurnal regens stack

[steady pebble]

no

they do not

[last galleon]

They don’t

[sour solstice]

!action aspected benefic

[storm frost]

**Aspected Benefic** : lvl 34 Astrologian (2.5 second cooldown)

Restores target's HP.
Cure Potency: 200
Diurnal Sect Effect: Regen
Cure Potency: 140
Duration: 18s
Effect cannot be stacked. Nocturnal Sect Effect: Erects a magicked barrier which nullifies damage equaling 250% the amount of HP restored
Duration: 30s
Effect cannot be stacked with Adloquium.

[sour solstice]

Cannot be stacked

[last galleon]

Oh cool it even says so in the tooltip

[tropic brook]

Aww

[full wave]

It can stack with Regen from WHM though

[paper torrent]

everytime i see an AST go to noct with a WHM

i die inside

[steady pebble]

nothing wrong with going noct

having a regen + shield is nice

[paper torrent]

potency is overall lower

and MP effiency as well

[steady pebble]

why does it matter

especially if its lolcasual content

[paper torrent]

just sayin'

[heavy mist]

and sometimes u need the mitigation

[paper torrent]

running out of MP/having weaker heals means you don't do as much damage

right, but if we're talking about lolcasual content especially then you don't

[sour solstice]

just make your WHM do all the healing

everyone knows all whms are honest

[steady pebble]

i mean...

at the end of the day did you clear/die?

no then who gives a fuck if the ast wants go into noct

[sour solstice]

its ok Kael

we can feel mad at sub optimal play

[steady pebble]

There's a difference tho

between someone being stupid and playing an ice mage

and wanting to go noct instead of diurnal

[sour solstice]

fair enough

wait why am I defending lmao again

[paper torrent]

good point why are you

[boreal edge]

does it matter what sect you are in in anything below extremes?

hell even extremes are casual level

i miss ARR and HW EXs when they were somewhat challenging til zurvan came

[heavy mist]

it does

u dont want Noct + SCH

or double Noct AST

[steady pebble]

double ast period

nothing good comes from double ast

nothing

[paper torrent]

double SCH

would like to talk to you

[steady pebble]

double sch may be a pain

but double ast is beyond infuriating

fucking dumbass co-healer holding bole

and the fucking overwriting my balance

[wet stag]

Kael

You don't have to worry about that

When you have an AST that overwrites his own spread balance with a single target bole on the mt

[sour solstice]

reeeeeeeeeeeeee

[paper torrent]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

at least you guys can heal

[steady pebble]

that ast should commit sudoku

[heavy mist]

pretty sure having a SCH is better

since even if the SCH cant heal

the pet can

[wet stag]

That was by godka clear couple weeks ago

[outer garden]

cure 1 spams @paper torrent

[sour solstice]

wait

[paper torrent]

@outer garden i will end you

are you that whm main

with 330 cane*

in o7s

[outer garden]

lol no

my ilvl still 310 boy

[paper torrent]

EVEN WORSE

DISGUSTING

[steady pebble]

also you've never seen me heal lmao

[paper torrent]

AT LEAST HE HAD 360 BODY

[outer garden]

i don't do content

[steady pebble]

how do you even know im a decent healer

[outer garden]

i don't need ilvls

[paper torrent]

@steady pebble check out my stream

when i "flex"

on Yalia's SCH

it's going to be a bad time

and i feel bad for whoever is on aether PF for o5s tuesday night

[sour solstice]

my sch is uh

a little bad

hes working on it

[paper torrent]

i dunno man

[sour solstice]

but

well...

[steady pebble]

'working on it' by getting a new one, right?

[paper torrent]

i'm pretty sure

i can do better

in 351

with my best piece basically being 355

anemos weapon

[sour solstice]

heres our uh

enrage pull

[paper torrent]

@steady pebble I know you're a good healer because you suffer

[sour solstice]

yeah

[paper torrent]

HAHAHAH

[steady pebble]

I could just be a mega rager

[paper torrent]

@steady pebble but that would betray my view of you

[sour solstice]

the cohealer thinks that he can teach him

so im gonna let him try

but

[paper torrent]

but i'm winning this bet right

:^)

[sour solstice]

[steady pebble]

well, ima tell you flat out right now. if you're ever in a voice chat with me during like...anything

be prepared to hear a lot of cursing

[outer garden]

dag nabbit!!!

stop standing in stupid you fudger

[steady pebble]

i wish that was as bad as it gets lol

[paper torrent]

I'm probably gonna curse a shitton on stream

I get really heated during savage

[outer garden]

this is a christian server

please keep it safe

[paper torrent]

no

fuck you

[outer garden]

wow

[paper torrent]

see

I just did it

[outer garden]

jesus is gonna have words with you

[paper torrent]

jesus sending me to hell

[steady pebble]

time to

[pure yoke]

Prove it

[vital cypress]

oh dear

one of my healers is in the ER D:

[paper torrent]

Give him the S U C C

[vital cypress]

?_?

[outer garden]

he needs heals

hope it's nothing serious tho

[sour solstice]

@vital cypress thats funny

[paper torrent]

you know what

no

[sour solstice]

one of my healers is in the ER

[paper torrent]

!action EXCOGNITION

[outer garden]

wow double timing healer?

[storm frost]

**Excogitation** : lvl 62 Scholar (45 second cooldown)

Grants target party member other than self the effect of Excogitation, restoring HP when member's HP falls below 50% or upon effect duration expiration.
Cure Potency: 800
Duration: 45s Additional Effect: Increases Faerie Gauge by 10 Aetherflow Gauge Cost: 1

No match found. Closest possible match displayed.

[paper torrent]

they must be a duo

must be some Your Name shit

no but seriously hope he gets better

[vital cypress]

yeah, they literally sent me that and nothing else

/panic

[pure yoke]

I wish balmung didn't feel so dead

In 2018

[outer garden]

maybe you should erp more

[paper torrent]

^

[sour solstice]

Balmung

dead

[pure yoke]

It feels dead

I didn't mean it literally

[sour solstice]

I know

but that just seems weird

[vital cypress]

insular is probably the right word

[paper torrent]

it's probably because there's not much new blood in balmung

[pure yoke]

Gilgamesh and Sargantanas feels more lively

[paper torrent]

There's just all the old people so it gets kinda boring after a while

[pure yoke]

I am planning to get full crafter and gatherer gear

Then gtfo

[paper torrent]

LE GASP

Balmung has lost its champion today

F

[pure yoke]

They still have one of the best monks na

[boreal edge]

have transferred of balmung?

[pure yoke]

No not yet

[unreal flax]

I want you to come to Excal, but don't come to Excal. Even if it was on your shortlist, don't come to Excal.

[pure yoke]

It's either gilgamesh or sarg

I pissed off an fc on gilgamesh

So probably sarg

[sour solstice]

what did you do on Gilga?

[paper torrent]

Story time

🍿

[pure yoke]

Left a group

That is the short story

[hexed meteor]

[sour solstice]

but

[steady pebble]

that's no fun, mug

[sour solstice]

theres gotta be more to it than that

[hexed meteor]

BigFan @pure yoke

[steady pebble]

you can't just tease us like that

[unreal flax]

He prolly told them they're bad while subbing in for them lol

[pure yoke]

I don't call people bad in front of their faces

I don't plan to raid with any of them again

[hybrid rapids]

Balmung is good for social

I don’t think any NA server good for raid generally

Unless you have your static