Rest of honey b is so snooze outside pheromones 2 maybe thats an okay unique mech
#endgame-lounge
terse zodiac
rapid whale
Should have been a limit cut
mossy eagle
Another 10 years of AP1 discourse
terse zodiac
M4s p1 was cool
mossy eagle
File it alongside "Criterion doesn't give two shits about melee uptime" and "Was TOP too hard"
mossy eagle
Recency bias is a factor as well. I don't remember M4SP1 all that well at this point. Like what were the good mechanics? EE2?
Maybe put her in low A
echo ibex
Bro was mad at DRG getting it's animations lock reduced because something something identity
mossy eagle
ok actually a valid take
mossy eagle
My tin foil hat conspiracy theory is that the raid design team would much rather everyone be a pranged
in terms of not requiring movement restrictions
terse zodiac
They could do a lot more interesting stuff yeah
And maybe pf would stop locking double melee if fights werent designed with the idea
mossy eagle
You lock double melee because you want more DPS. I lock double melee because I'm tired of fake melee going to the wrong spot. We are not the same.
terse zodiac
Lmao i was running zelenia with 3 melee yesterday so i feel that for the first time
Fake ranged is not real
That fight doesnt even have any ranged mechs either 
jolly flume
im still tempted to put sugar riot in S but I don't think I would've cared as much if I was playing dps
mossy eagle
It's definitely S for tanks/healers, A/B for DPS
terse zodiac
Sugar riot outside adds deserves 1 spot knocked to A easily
mossy eagle
Yeah adds carry
worn bluff
why would you rate 11 so high if it has no study mechanics
mossy eagle
Bridge phase is okay, desert and lava are ugh
It's a well paced fight tbh. Party finder just makes it ass
jolly flume
11 is peak and you'll never convince me otherwise
mossy eagle
It's a great fight that I don't want to do more than once a week unless I'm with friends
jolly flume
people going "ughhhh its so boring" while still getting btfo'd by a simple execution check week after week
worn bluff
it would be a lot better if it started at charybdis
terse zodiac
Definitely the best version of the 11 minute execution check weve had at least
jolly flume
people convincing themselves that arena split is unfair because it's too pixel perfect
mossy eagle
it would be a lot better if it started at charybdis
Nuclear take, savage would be a lot better if the fights were 5-7 minutes and they did more of them
jolly flume
my opinion of this fight is at least 25% inflated just from watching people cry about it
mossy eagle
That's PFs fault for having two sets of markers, and then on top of that some of them are just wrong
terse zodiac
11 would be so peak if something else was going on during the last minute
jolly flume
idk I just think
worn bluff
i mean i don’t think anything in 11 is unfair. and i like the idea of execution checks. i just didn’t think it was that fun of a fight
jolly flume
they need to stop letting tanks solo things
terse zodiac
Something simple but not just standing still
mossy eagle
Hey I'm timing my invuln down to the last second just for y'all
mossy eagle
i mean i don’t think anything in 11 is unfair. and i like the idea of execution ...
As someone who usually doesn't care about greed, it is really fun to barely make it to the safe spot in time for weapons
or dip in and out of AOEs
worn bluff
its weird bc i thought 10 was more fun to prog but i dont really feel like doing 10 for fun
if i’m bored and want to press buttons i usually look for 11/12
mossy eagle
The only one I like doing for fun is 12
worn bluff
12-1 is a nice training dummy to learn new jobs
mossy eagle
Yeah I mostly meant 12-2 when I said my previous comment. 12-1 is fine, just nothing special
I guess SE can only make one phase of a final boss fun
Actually that's not true, P8S exists
jolly flume
heph 2 is boring 
mossy eagle
Mods, put him in the high concept box for 8 hours
mossy eagle
idk I always got a kick out of it
mossy eagle
Awful take
jolly flume
xd
mossy eagle
Go listen to industrial music for 12 hours
worn bluff
Yeah I mostly meant 12-2 when I said my previous comment. 12-1 is fine, just not...
i didn’t even mean it as a bad thing. i don’t mind doing 12-1 it’s chill
mossy eagle
I like uhhhh
act 2
and people freaking out over slaughtershed
almost as good as dominion
terse zodiac
p1 theme is really cool tho
didn't even recognize it as the ascian theme at first
dominion was the start of my hatred of pf
how do you possibly miss a tower
jolly flume
act 2 is kinda cool but I feel like it lost some of its novelty value to me for just being looper 2
the way they set it up with the snake is neat
worn bluff
and people freaking out over slaughtershed
mossy eagle
how do you possibly miss a tower
Have I explained DRG-relative towers to you?
terse zodiac
what on earth does that mean 😭
mossy eagle
I was out of this static by this point, so this is second-hand. But anyway, that static's DRG, bless his heart, just could not figure out the priority for dominion towers. So whenever he had to soak a tower, he would just run to one and everyone else would quickly adjust
terse zodiac
😭
worn bluff
that’s like when this one tank could not understand the right side for dance of domination despite multiple explanations so i would just let him go wherever he wanted and adjust for him
terse zodiac
how can you possibly get dance of domination on 1 side but not the other
its literally a mirror
worn bluff
no i mean like he couldn’t figure out which side to go to
terse zodiac
dont tank melee do static spots
worn bluff
so i was like ok whatever lets just move on i’ll go to whatever side you don’t go to
jolly flume
finding horizontal line hard
worn bluff
it’s relative in PF
mossy eagle
did we do the same raid
I actually don't disagree with this take. The probably with 8p2 isn't its speed (relative to a savage fight, obviously it's not ultimate), it's that it's so deterministic
You can type the whole thing out on a google doc and then basically be done
jolly flume
there's nothing in that phase with a respectable pace outside of champion's circuit into lps and uv
it's not even in the same galaxy as p1
mossy eagle
P1 was relatively fast for savage but I don't recall P2 being that slow, I'd have to rewatch a video
mossy eagle
I just taped this on a second monitor and I didn't really need to do much prog.
mossy eagle
It was like the world's most boring extreme fight
What's there to think about? LWL I guess????
jolly flume
first lps and uv are glacial, then you sit there and wait for tanks to take a buster for 15 seconds, then you dodge the most trivial aoe combination in the fight
then you do uvs again but this one is like maybe a little fast because you have to spread from south, but after that you afk for ANOTHER lp stack and platform break
after that the entire fight is just I'm hitting the boss for 30 seconds at a time with basically nothing happening with the exception of cc into uv3
idk
mossy eagle
Idk I'm stupid and a tank
If you're not a tank then yeah the twinbites are free
Maybe the beginning is a bit slow but idk that's every savage fight
where the boss does jackshit for 5-10 seconds before the next mechanic
jolly flume
I'm also conflating this with incoming damage pacing a bit because there was so little to heal in that phase that I didn't even have to bother thinking about keeping af on cooldown but idk
I just felt like p2 did absolutely none of the things that made p1 such a good fight in my mind
jolly flume
8p1 hurt like a bitch, 8p2 I barely had to use my kit
sinful brook
Pretty sure every pull I did different things and prayed my deploy was back for soft enrage
jolly flume
we soil shield everything no problem
sinful brook
We had different experiences chiyo 🙃
Not widely different
But
Ig my one gripe was having to place the soil good or it missed the other side
rapid whale
im too dps brain what does this mean
charred ibex
Chiyo's heart rate over time
terse zodiac
lot of damage constant in first half, few instances of much less damage in second half
charred ibex
Not during M4S? Dang
jolly flume
4 was fun for a different reason
namely that you could get away with so much bs that playing healer was magically fun again
I still remember the kill we did together that was fun
charred ibex
I had progged 8 till adds and then irl visited me and told me to get off FF14, had to unsub
Apparently so did a lot of others when I came back
jolly flume
I had to go on hiatus for like 5-6 weeks after week 1 because school was kicking my ass
ended up being my least played tier of the expansion by a pretty decent margin
was a great prog tho
charred ibex
I had to go on hiatus for like 5-6 weeks after week 1 because school was kicking...
Why study for school when you can study for prog 
I came back and did most of my prog this tier during a gap between my rotations
That made it easier to just come back and reclear without the stress of progging with no time
clear plume
Long time no see latte
olive hearth
what the fuck is this........................
random needle
It's Idyllic Dream :3
amber fable
A cast bar!
rapid whale
what the fuck is this........................
Have fun
low hearth
what the fuck is this........................
Make sure to mit this
jolly flume
not like you've got anything else to mit for the next 90 seconds
jolly flume
breh
shield healer: 10+shields
pure healer: 10
tank: rep
win
any longer cds you put on that are to make yourself feel better
I don't really see a point holding shit through idyllic when it's a free usage and the thing that needs mit is the stuff that's actually 90s after idyllic
just drop whatever you used on superchain on it and it's good enough
stray forge
breh
rapid whale
i addle meteor every time
jolly flume
it depends on what you used it on before shruge
again if I used a 90s cd in rep 2 I'm not going to wait four minutes to use it again
if you use a 90 on superchain and the raidwide right after it then yeah sure do meteor
rapid whale
i used it on the near/far + arcadian hell
i use tempera on the 1st idyllic cast
addle meteor and 2nd idyllic
gray zealot
Did RPR move up Dance Partner priority in any meaningful way?
worn bluff
there are still RPR players?
gray zealot
Why is it hated on so much?
gray zealot
VPR / DRG much more one dimensional jobs but even they can be fun
true beacon
Rpr also has been, afaik, probably the worst melee most often since it was dropped
gray zealot
yeah...
true beacon
Consistently gauge-negative
gray zealot
gauge-negativity is the only reason it's not completely ass though
sure it might feel more fun but if Enshroud was less potent the opener and burst would be awful like VPR
worn bluff
the main thing i liked was that it was so unengaging that as a new raider i could focus on mechanics
gray zealot
that's evrery job
worn bluff
i mean everything is relative
rapid whale
boss relative?
grand mesa
Why is it hated on so much?
It's kind of just, outdated design
No good disengage tools
job was designed in a world where melees had free uptime
circa endwalker
wicked delta
Reaper does not do enough damage to justify how much work you have to put into it to make it effective
Compared to other melees
There is almost no reason to pick it if you care about meta
If you like how it plays, you can just play VPR and get a sort of similar experience while also doing more damage
thin fox
reaper's gauge issues are primarily a product of SE not wanting people to do double enshroud
is it objectively and trivially better to double enshroud under 2m but its clear that SE has designed the job assuming that this is not true
stray forge
Everybody is so mean to me
worn bluff
reaper's gauge issues are primarily a product of SE not wanting people to do dou...
it's odd because then you have viper that was designed with the complete opposite philosophy
alpine plover
in fru i switch dnc partner from my drg to my reaper in p3 because rpr actually goes MENTAL there
amber fable
Should have deleted rpr when they made vpr
worn bluff
they knew exactly how to make RPR better and fun
but it wasn't worth it to stick it in the old job
they just put it in PCT
whole estuary
Give it more cast times
worn bluff
and some in VPR
thin fox
I actually think reaper having a finnicky gauge is good they should just make all of the melee like that so its balanced
alpine plover
rpr is just very backloaded
worn bluff
what if soulsow was so powerful it gave high potency oGCDs and was worth casting in uptime?
alpine plover
sadgely
alpine plover
but frankly rpr is not in as bad of a position as mch
amber fable
Rpr issues arent even something which needs fundamental change
alpine plover
amber fable
Its easy af to "fix" the issues it has
But se wont
Maybe when 9.0 drops and they will add the most obvious change which any casual job player could have told day 1
Se doing se things as always
worn bluff
each soulsow = 2 or 3 charges of harvest moon
thin fox
reapers problems are specific to trying to play it optimally
stray forge
No we don’t
thin fox
I am talking about people who dont even do savage
worn bluff
RPR is fun in dungeons
stray forge
It’s just I couldn’t decide between reaper or black mage
amber fable
Play all jobs and choose what you "dont" want to play
stray forge
RPR is fun in dungeons
That’s just bc u can shoot those harvest moons like a machine gun
worn bluff
yeah harvest moon goes hard on packs
thin fox
its problems r mostly specific to raiding
dull drum
all my TOP p6 post WC2 wipes were caused by reapers
worn bluff
i mean even with the jankiness, double enshroud was my favorite part of RPR
amber fable
I hate some of thing little things this job has
worn bluff
double enshroud is kind of like gnb gnashing opti now
thin fox
the likely result will be that they change reaper but i think they should just have every melee have a rotation like reaper (insofar as mistakes are fairly punishing)
amber fable
Gluttony stacks dying on pressing anything but it has 30 sec duration for usage?
Why not make it 5
stray forge
I think the only jobs I definitely don’t like are ninja, mch, and picto
amber fable
Make it clear that you use it asap or its wasted
thin fox
its hard because in this game i do genuinely sometimes think that a job is just too good
like sorry i love samurai but tengetsu should not be that strong
worn bluff
like sorry i love samurai but tengetsu should not be that strong
meanwhile arcane crest is a participation sticker
shy obsidian
WE LOVE TENGETSU IN THIS HOUSE
amber fable
Yeah but average sam isnt tengetsumaxing
thin fox
a free personal reprisal every 15s that also heals you and gives you gauge
worn bluff
arcane crest is good for making your healer overheal % go up
worn bluff
how about intervention
amber fable
Best is what old riddle of earth was ngl
worn bluff
buffed intervention is almost 30% mit
thin fox
how about intervention
the problem is that at least tank mits have the fact that sometimes you have to genuinely save them for where they're needed, whereas tengetsu is a button you always have the freedom to place wherever you want
like if i spam intervention and don't have hs for a tankbuster i am griefing but i can hit tengetsu literally whenever
shy obsidian
FIFTEEN SECONDS BABEYYYYY
worn bluff
fair, although intervention can be used a lot
fiery jewel
in fru i switch dnc partner from my drg to my reaper in p3 because rpr actually ...
why is it not on rpr in the first place
worn bluff
like once per 22s and 2 can be banked for either self+other or 2 other people 10s apart
thin fox
though i should contextualise a lot of my statements here with the opinion that i think this game has too much mit and it should be cut by at least a third
stray forge
Why is arcane circle 3% anyways
amber fable
Cuz rpr
fiery jewel
ye
worn bluff
RPR is like "what if we made a job that wants to participate in 2 min meta but is really bad at it"
amber fable
I mean even if it was 5%
stray forge
I feel like they chose a multiple of 5 for every ability in the game except arcane circle
amber fable
Rpr wouldn't be top dps still
wicked delta
why is it not on rpr in the first place
Because its reaper
wicked delta
In phases where boss jumps away, rpr becomes way less strong
Full uptime phases is where it shines
fiery jewel
not entirely true
amber fable
Rpr is good when it can build shroud
wicked delta
No it is true
worn bluff
RPR does well when you can carry gauge over
wicked delta
Its ass in P1 and P2 FRU
amber fable
And blow it up where its needed
wicked delta
There is no reason to give DP when you can just give it to preferably the caster
stray forge
Give it to the mch
rapid whale
"the caster" we can just say picto you know /s
wicked delta
Why would you have double phys
fiery jewel
rpr not even bad p1
stray forge
Who cares about meta
fiery jewel
it does more adps than drg p1
stray forge
Everything ez
fiery jewel
dull drum
change it to 7.1 buddy
fiery jewel
drg dp is bad until p4 maybe
dull drum
fiery jewel
change it to 7.1 buddy
balanec changes happen
rapid whale
I'm too lazy to scroll up what's tldr
stray forge
I'm too lazy to scroll up what's tldr
They are nerfing picto
rapid whale
Reaper good, is that the argument?
fiery jewel
rpr can do 4 enshrouds p2 if they hold
wicked delta
No
fiery jewel
rpr is the best job p2
alpine plover
why is it not on rpr in the first place
you mean first phase?
alpine plover
cuz they start at 0 gauge
fiery jewel
pct just needs AoE nerf
wicked delta
Right like just give it to the caster (usually a picto in fru lbr)
fiery jewel
that's the most ridicuous part rn
alpine plover
and they are worse than everything else
alpine plover
they are backloaded if they gather resources
fiery jewel
drg burst is misaligned p1
it's almost as bad as vpr tbh
drg u can't even burst p1 really you just have to hold until p2
stray forge
How does this person always pop up when we mention rpr does vro have an alarm that goes off every time it gets mentioned in this channel 
rapid whale
P1 died too fast anyway
worn bluff
how do you even compare P1 when everyone was holding at the end in 7.1
fiery jewel
I mean it's every percentile just check the data yourself
worn bluff
people just doing 123 at the end and RPR has the strongest 123 lol
rapid whale
Ye
worn bluff
is there even a way to see "P1 damage for someone who was 95th percentile for the entire fight"?
or will it only show "95th percentile P1 damage"
fiery jewel
check them all
stray forge
What will be the signature 8.0 ability
fiery jewel
idk just rework rpr it is trash
clear plume
i mean, you just look at a 95th percentile log
rapid whale
Smudge will give me a swift cast
stray forge
Hells ingress will give me soulsow
daring pine
prefulgence will give me prefulgence 2
fiery jewel
vpr 2.0 atp
worn bluff
lionheart continuation
fiery jewel
lower gap close cooldown by 5s and when you tp back to portal let it refresh enhanced harpe
worn bluff
more mirage dives for DRG
stray forge
Hells Ingress will job change me to viper with 3 coils up
When I hells egress back it will switch me back to rpr
worn bluff
DRG hotbar will become whack a mole. every ogcd has 2 followup ogcds
stray forge
stray forge
DRG hotbar will become whack a mole. every ogcd has 2 followup ogcds
So Outlaw Rogue
fiery jewel
just rework both drg and rpr
worn bluff
it will become optimal to triple weave and clip your gcd during burst
stray forge
Pull a blizzard, rework every class completely
fiery jewel
lol screw it
dull drum
thats the supposed 8.0 plan
fiery jewel
ffxiv 2
fiery jewel
who's in?
rapid whale
FFXIV is older than FFXI was when FFXIV launched
sinful brook
idk if your fru argument is that you'd dp rpr over drg
the question is why you have drg and rpr regularly as your melees
lol
rapid whale
Real question is why don't you have a picto
wicked delta
Even BLM would better
sinful brook
or you don't just dp the picto or a have a sam instead
wicked delta
Lmao
fiery jewel
true I'm switching to rdm
wicked delta
Well it mostly depends
I usually just pref giving it to a caster (aka picto gulp)
If no samurai
Lol
rapid whale
I thought BLM is wis
stray forge
In 8.0 raidwides will go off so fast that you have to build spell speed to keep up
rapid whale
Because they are a consistent DPS job not burst
wicked delta
Not sure about FRU but they’re not as high on prio generally
rapid whale
In 8.0 raidwides will go off so fast that you have to build spell speed to keep ...
Fym you mit before the cast bar is visible
wicked delta
Meld tenacity so you don’t have to mit at all
stray forge
Fym you mit before the cast bar is visible
They will go off consecutively
rapid whale
They will go off consecutively
Noob
stray forge
Wake up boys it’s haste season
fiery jewel
new 8.0 tank might be the move
wicked delta
Do dps players deserve rights lets discuss
fiery jewel
not really
fiery jewel
or you don't just dp the picto or a have a sam instead
pct 7.5 nerf will hit like crack
stray forge
New 8.0 tanks gimmick will be shapeshifting into a morbol
fiery jewel
you joke but something like that could be cool honestly
a shapeshifter job
druid could def be a good choice for this game
fiery jewel
lowkey the whole gcd system just needs rework
rapid whale
Imagine they make DPS specs for tanks and healers
fiery jewel
I think make it so some jobs follow gcd and some can just spam moves
melee / physr should def be able to spam moves
maybe if you cast you need to follow gcd
rapid whale
So you want guild wars combat
daring pine
loll
fiery jewel
ye is that a bad thing
idk
how I view it is that some jobs will never really change which the current combat system
sinful brook
i mean if you're trying to glue a different game's system to this game it can be
it isn't so much so gcd thats teh problem
fiery jewel
we can trash on a job like rpr but how will rpr acutally change 8.0 it literally can't
rapid whale
Fuck it we're swapping xiv to BDO combat, every job now has like 150apm
Good luck healers
fiery jewel
if they don't rework a job like rpr anything we get rpr purists will just complain
like perfectio
daring pine
i mean i would also complain if my job was arguably the worst in the role
fiery jewel
main issue why I think rpr is garbage is because it's so awful week 1 savage
rapid whale
Just be a meta slave
fiery jewel
but once you get BiS reaper is not bad
rapid whale
I swapped from smn to picto never looked back
fiery jewel
I think it's top 3 dps in two fights this tier
fiery jewel
vpr
terse zodiac
what
fiery jewel
blm even
dull drum
i mean i would also complain if my job was arguably the worst in the role
ive been complaining about mch since endwalker
look where that got me
fucking nowhere
dull drum
terse zodiac
in what world is any job bad without bis but good with bis 😭
stray forge
Fuck it we're swapping xiv to BDO combat, every job now has like 150apm
I’m fine with this
daring pine
ive been complaining about mch since endwalker
its time to play bard for the next 500 expansions
fiery jewel
but killtimes matter the most so fflogs not accurate tbh
amber fable
in what world is any job bad without bis but good with bis 😭
That crit rate changes meta fr
fiery jewel
in what world is any job bad without bis but good with bis 😭
week 1 clear vs clearing on 2min window
dull drum
its time to play bard for the next 500 expansions
im so chopped on mch now because fru and cruiserweight seared bard into my brain
rapid whale
I forget how the quote goes exactly but noble says something like, "to the people that are the least likely to actually need to use a meta comp are also the most likely to use said meta comp"
Which is why I think this problem feels double bad
stray forge
Would prefer higher apm but they would need to change how pressing buttons feels like dipping your fingers into sludge
terse zodiac
that has nothing to do with whether a job is good or not
daring pine
im so chopped on mch now because fru and cruiserweight seared bard into my brain
i've been finding bard fun this tier and then i had to swap to caster for my m11s clear because i got yoinked into a static
having to cast again was like a slap in the face
fiery jewel
the thing that annoys me the most is that popular / raiders and streamers say that comp doesn't matter but then they roll out with MNK / NIN / BRD / PCT every savage tier
amber fable
If xyz combo works better than abc combo even if you can clear with abc then why would you choose abc combo
rapid whale
having to cast again was like a slap in the face
How do you like CCW sword into scythe
Isn't it fun
stray forge
The amount of times I’ve pressed one button and then it doesn’t register but my next press does
fiery jewel
if comp doesn't matter roll out with vpr rpr blm one tier
stray forge
Is infuriating
daring pine
Isn't it fun
!action displacement
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amber fable
Rollbacking them bitches
rapid whale
if comp doesn't matter roll out with vpr rpr blm one tier
The thing is the best players can make that work no problem the thing is why would they
fiery jewel
The thing is the best players can make that work no problem the thing is why wou...
pretty much
week 1 m11s clear with dogshit comp vs functional comp is like 5k dps difference in pf
worn bluff
if they don't rework a job like rpr anything we get rpr purists will just compla...
there are barely any rpr purists left. even half the RPR mentors switched to VPR on 7.0
stray forge
Delete the entire bard class
daring pine
why
amber fable
What treatment did rpr got in dt?
fiery jewel
but atleast VPR didn't get instantly nerfed like RPR did in EW.
amber fable
Beside extra non guage gcd
fiery jewel
nobody plays the job everyone just clowns on it
terse zodiac
what
worn bluff
i wonder if they will do something to PLD's range in 8.0
amber fable
Add range to other tanks
fiery jewel
RPR and MCH reputation they really aren't that different atp
terse zodiac
vpr did immediately get nerfed and rpr immediate nerf was like 50 potency heal 😭
stray forge
Because why are my singers applying dots
daring pine
i wonder if they will do something to PLD's range in 8.0
all of your gcds have a range of 50y
stray forge
And shooting bows
amber fable
Delrium add 25 y to torch combo
fiery jewel
VPR got immediately reworked
stray forge
💢
worn bluff
all of your gcds have a range of 50y
no i mean the other way around 
fiery jewel
I think it was a nerf technically but RPR got hard nerfed instantly
amber fable
Bloodfest add range to lion combo
worn bluff
confiteor no longer ranged
fiery jewel
VPR basically got a GNB level rework 7.05
removing one thing and reassigning potencies
daring pine
no i mean the other way around <:despairge:1060432910907363328>
-50y range so you have to be breathing down the boss' neck to hit anything
gg
rapid whale
Didn't rpr used to have a 5% buff
fiery jewel
no
rapid whale
Oic
terse zodiac
only thing that changed with rpr nerf was arcane crest moved from 100 potency to 50 or whatever
amber fable
Smn went from 3 to 5
fiery jewel
RPR raidbuff should be gone but it should still have a ability that sucks the damage out of teammates
or wtv it does right now
daring pine
what
amber fable
Plentiful needing party to hit gcd is...idk man
fiery jewel
or u can keep both
worn bluff
RPR raidbuff should be gone but it should still have a ability that sucks the da...
that's just how rdps works anyways lol
amber fable
Pepes have 5 sec to hitand they dont hit
fiery jewel
I was against Plentiful but it makes sense that RPR sucks the lifeforce out of teammates
that's a RPR thing
rapid whale
Pepes have 5 sec to hitand they dont hit
MB I was casting a motif under buffs
fiery jewel
also maybe a HP Drain mechanic but then RPR would be unplayable even if it was good
worn bluff
Plentiful needing party to hit gcd is...idk man
8.0: party members still generate orbs but they fall on the ground and the RPR has to pick them up to get stacks for plentiful
fiery jewel
DRK maybe makes more sense for HP Drain
stray forge
Shouldn’t reaper sux the lifeforce out of the enemy
worn bluff
that's what DRG does
amber fable
Well voidsent do suck aether
rapid whale
That's it we're making rpr a tank and dark a DPS
daring pine
DRK maybe makes more sense for HP Drain
it already does this in pvp, i do NOT want this in pve
well
it drains its own hp
stray forge
New reaper 8.0 ability - your melee hits now add the bosses auto attack damage to yours for 15 seconds 😌
fiery jewel
I think RPR sucking the lifeforce out of teammates is fine, it's just such a nothingburger ability right now only affecting plentiful harvest.
If they expanded on it and made it part of the whole rotation like the inverese of BRD could be more interesting
rapid whale
We get it you want to suck your raid members gosh keep it in your pants /s
worn bluff
GNB 8.0: cartridge explosions deal splash damage back to you
daring pine
niko after i clear the tier im gonna spin a wheel to decide what job i play next expac
shudder
worn bluff
it's going to be RPR
rapid whale
niko after i clear the tier im gonna spin a wheel to decide what job i play next...
Mch
terse zodiac
low key plentiful should rework 4 stacks max damage, 8 stacks charges harvest moon
stray forge
I’m going to play monk
fiery jewel
BRD is you want your teammates alive the whole time because you give them damage
RPR should be you want your teammates alive the whole time because you gain damage for yourself
terse zodiac
better in dungeons and gives more harvest moons
fiery jewel
but that mechanic would be too much for XIV it would kill rpr even more probably
rapid whale
Mnk never bad choice
stray forge
I just need to level it from level 1 np
amber fable
Leveling is content
daring pine
fate reference?
fiery jewel
low key plentiful should rework 4 stacks max damage, 8 stacks charges harvest mo...
plentiful how it is rn should probably be gone
it's complete nothingburger
terse zodiac
i cannot imagine a job i'd like to play less than a job reliant on pf members staying alive 😭
amber fable
I mean just remove the party needing to hit gcd for potency
daring pine
i cannot imagine a job i'd like to play less than a job reliant on pf members st...
me when im playing bard and i see like 4 people die
fiery jewel
i cannot imagine a job i'd like to play less than a job reliant on pf members st...
if they make the upside be the job is actually good it's fine tbh
daring pine
amber fable
i cannot imagine a job i'd like to play less than a job reliant on pf members st...
Brd and dnc on suicide watch
daring pine
i hate it here
terse zodiac
dnc especially when the sam sucks lol
daring pine
i cant be on suicide watch if im already dead
fiery jewel
overwatch fire
daring pine
on valcors watch
stray forge
New 8.0 job summons valimar the ashen knight for you to pilot for 20s
trim frost
gulp
fiery jewel
New 8.0 job summons valimar the ashen knight for you to pilot for 20s
imagine
daring pine
can the new job let me aura farm
trim frost
fluid aura
dull drum
fate reference?
i would not introduce people to fgo on my soul
daring pine
watch it be better mch
amber fable
Mch 2.0
fiery jewel
it will def be better machinist
dull drum
being a new player is fucking miserable
daring pine
i would not introduce people to fgo on my soul
i already played fgo
amber fable
Except it does damage
stray forge
I thought fgo is a visual novel
daring pine
kind of
dull drum
you pt much have to giga optimize if you plan to f2p fgo
uncut pebble
yay
dull drum
if you are willing to light spend gssrs can help
fiery jewel
mch main issue is the burst I don't think ppl understand it would actually be good if it had a competent burst
terse zodiac
after just changing rdm to be full range in burst i dont see a hybrid phys ranged
fiery jewel
after just changing rdm to be full range in burst i dont see a hybrid phys range...
honestly this was fine it's just the fact they didn't even bother to make new animations / actions for it.
trim frost
you and valcors together look like one of those limsa ecouples
im kaito darkblade...
dull drum
I thought fgo is a visual novel
yeah and also a 1% ssr rate 840 USD pity
daring pine
i've seen that TOO MUCH
stray forge
Wait it’s a gacha?
dull drum
we didnt have pity pre 2022
daring pine
yes its a gacha
stray forge
stray forge
Pardon
dull drum
but i still play the game because im in an abusive relationship with it
daring pine
you spent what
terse zodiac
yeah i just mean i dont see another hybrid happening after changing rdm like that, its like them saying "this is a flaw we shouldn't have done that"
dull drum
🥀
daring pine
yeah i just mean i dont see another hybrid happening after changing rdm like tha...
the rdm buff feels so good man
arghh
trim frost
everyone's so creative
low hearth
i spent 2000 dollars and didnt get a character
dead ahh?
fiery jewel
rdm would've been fine if pf didn't refuse to run anything besides double melee
terse zodiac
facts
fiery jewel
but alas
low hearth
fiery jewel
that's why I think a melee haeler could be cool
dull drum
oberon was also pretty bad i had to hit the 800 dollar pity for him
daring pine
everyone's so creative
fiery jewel
but ppl would not let it in pf
terse zodiac
rdm + blm/pct + melee + phys range goes so hard
fiery jewel
rdm + pct is one of the best comps in the game rn
blm / pct was really good LHW I think
blm is not great rn unless u are going to hard enrage which is why it was good week 1
daring pine
can they change the viera beards they look horrible
terse zodiac
i dont even care for max dps i mean for consistent easy clears
dull drum
<:droidcry:767688131163717643>
still havent gotten him as of 2026
fiery jewel
even when they were going for clear still 2 red mages sometimes
dull drum
mb
fiery jewel
the issue with RDM right now isn't even the damage
terse zodiac
and a bonus mit
fiery jewel
it's that the rez has no cooldown so it's too strong
daring pine
ok im gonna spin wheel now to decide job for next expac actually
fiery jewel
if you give the rez a 5-10s cooldown it's immediately more balanced
fiery jewel
What are the options?
fiery jewel
I think it's possible we get 3 jobs
low hearth
ok im gonna spin wheel now to decide job for next expac actually
monk
fiery jewel
but I wouldn't count on it
but if they want to make a statement 3 jobs is the way to go
amber fable
Tank and prnage with 95% certainty
fiery jewel
since we're kinda overdue for a new healer already
fiery jewel
If they can do 3 jobs and actually rework other jobs
terse zodiac
roll the new tank
wicked delta
Three jobs is cope ngl
fiery jewel
Three jobs make sense if you think abt it
sinful brook
we're not that overdue for a new healer
wicked delta
No it dont
fiery jewel
but Yoshida said it's unlikely to ever happen again
fiery jewel
HW we get the same pattern as 3 jobs would be next expac
daring pine
roll the new tank
wtf
fiery jewel
and teh last time we did 3 jobs was hw
ye
terse zodiac
hell yeah
fiery jewel
I think it's not out of the question though
sinful brook
no we're bypassing hw in the pattern
fiery jewel
they need to make some kind of statement
sinful brook
because we just did SB
wicked delta
They only fixed AST/WHM balance recently I don’t want a new healer right now
terse zodiac
the way they put viper out right after reaper i can definitely see them doing pure healer and phys ranged
fiery jewel
if we don't get new healer 8.0
last time we got new healer was 2021?
htat would be 8+ years until a new healer pretty much
sinful brook
that was only 2 expacs ago
fiery jewel
I think 8 years for a new healer is way too long
amber fable
New tank is pld with war invuln and raid buff
fiery jewel
expac doesn't really put it into perspective
before EW it was 2 year cycle
now it's 2-3 years somewhere inbetween
amber fable
Ew was not 8 years ago
sinful brook
the years are skewing the discussion because its not like they're releasing jobs in the middle of expacs
amber fable
It was 2021
daring pine
ew was only 5 years ago
sinful brook
if you want to be like that
fiery jewel
9.0 is 2-3 years away
fiery jewel
but that's a combo
sinful brook
going to be 8 by the time 8.0 comes out
amber fable
9.0 is 5 years away
sinful brook
gunbreaker came out then
amber fable
Ngl
daring pine
shb was 2019 yeah
sinful brook
its just moving the goalposts to fit your narrative
fiery jewel
but 6-7 years more reasonable than 8 which is the current timeline
amber fable
9.0 will drop by 2030 or 2031
fiery jewel
its just moving the goalposts to fit your narrative
8 years is like probably 10% of your lifetime imagine being a machinist player waiting that long for a new selfish dps option
daring pine
could just play another job
sinful brook
or idk
daring pine
or a different game at that point
wicked delta
Yeah literally play another job lmao
amber fable
Simply play different role
sinful brook
imagining it doesn't change the fact that you're moving the goalposts lol
why does it have to be all 3 jobs
amber fable
Idk why lock yourself to one job
sinful brook
or why does the number of years significantly matter
fiery jewel
years is a metric of time wym
sinful brook
in a situation where the release patterns are static and predictable
fiery jewel
expansions aren't all the same time length
that's why I used years instead of expansions
I guess months would be more accurate but I'm not mathing that
amber fable
They are roughly equal I think? Release wise
sinful brook
they are meant to be
amber fable
They arent all same
fiery jewel
I didn't start playing until ShB
sinful brook
DT just happened to have extended 3.5-4m patch pattern
and shb had the covid outlier
fiery jewel
yeah
terse zodiac
regardless of any of that the furthest 2 roles in terms of time would be tank and phys ranged
fiery jewel
we most likely getting 2 ye
amber fable
Dt patch cycle was longer than 4 months
fiery jewel
and it will be tank and phys r
sinful brook
its the x.5 patch that is the most inconsistent
fiery jewel
all I'm saying is I don't think 1 or 3 is out of the question
amber fable
Like 2 week extra or so per major patch
fiery jewel
I think like 0 or 4 is out of the question 100%
that's insanity
but 1 or 3 small chance
even this expac we're technically getting 3 jobs and BST has more effort put into it than a normal job
terse zodiac
they haven't deviated from 2 since SB so its very very unlikely
daring pine
considering we've been getting 2 new jobs per expac since stormblood it's fairly reasonable to assume we're getting 2
fiery jewel
ye
sinful brook
we're on sb round for dt in terms of job release
we got a melee and a caster
so its predictable
that its tank and prange
before healer and melee again
daring pine
and then 9.0 would presumably be melee and healer yeah
fiery jewel
another melee
robust shoal
which tank is the new one gonna share invuln cd with
sinful brook
trick question cats
amber fable
Drk or war
terse zodiac
new 20m invuln
sinful brook
the next invuln is 8 minutes
fiery jewel
which tank is the new one gonna share invuln cd with
they need to revert superbolide change
I forgot about that so sad
amber fable
Cd wise as long as its at most 6 min
fiery jewel
PLD is 7m yeah?
terse zodiac
10
amber fable
Going beyond 6 is a waste
terse zodiac
iirc
amber fable
Pld is 7
fiery jewel
DRK being 5m is kinda ridiculous
amber fable
War is 4
terse zodiac
oh its only 420s why do i remember 600
sick reef
new tank is gonna have party dmg buff 🔥
gray zealot
If it makes sense it's fine
terse zodiac
pretty sure unless balanced really weak that just is a guaranteed bring for every week 1
sinful brook
idk why Superbolide is longer than Living Dead
It's a true invuln vs no dropping below 1hp
sick reef
pretty sure unless balanced really weak that just is a guaranteed bring for ever...
a support dmg buff tank hmmm 🤔
the brd or dnc of tanks
terse zodiac
yea since you're funneling gear a buff tank would be stronger early
unless balance is just awful
amber fable
Buff tank will always be better with a buff comp but again in this scenario I assume new tank ndps is same as other
worn bluff
that job will never see Ultimate
fun fact it would still do the same invulns as PLD in FRU
terse zodiac
has hallowed ground really only recieved a single change in its lifespan
bc thats crazy
amber fable
Just make pld wings circle
worn bluff
the wings will be a different shape depending on where you are in your combo
amber fable
I rather have a donut than triangle
shy obsidian
what did triangles ever do to you
robust shoal
pld be like mm yes 18 minute fight hopefully I can cram my second invuln in
fiery jewel
pretty sure unless balanced really weak that just is a guaranteed bring for ever...
raid-buff jobs are actually kinda worse than selfish jobs week 1 that's why I was saying BLM is really good week 1. Since you're killing bosses outside of burst windows unless it lines up.
I think that's why BLM was nuclear week 1 m11s
wind cypress
so redmage and summoner aren't useless in savage?
amber fable
Who said they are?
clear plume
blm was just good week 1 because of the few people who played the job in hc week 1, most are one tricks who got gear fed bc blm isnt a unpopular choice for it
while nobody is gear feeding any other caster nowadays
has nothing to do with anything else to get the discrepancies you get week 1
you dont know when enrages are going to be, and often theyre at the end of a 1m/2m cycle to make any kind of blanket statement that blm is better for having more consistent damage
or else classes like reaper and machinist that also have more consistent damage and less spikes would also disproportionatly be good, and we all know how those jobs are used week 1
blm is just one of the few jobs that can be max gear fed and never ever ever be fucked speed wise for it
round burrow
LETSFUCKIBG GOOOOO
shadow pilot
wicked delta
Congrats!
ITS HIM
robust shoal
thin fox
also turns out you specifically have to beat the 3 main bosses to unlock adv
cannot use the secret boss as one of them
thin tartan
yessss
true beacon
<:woah:302193105753341952>
But what if Wicked Thunder
valid solar
advanced is so good content <:drool:1406008075697258557>
It is pretty fun to fuck around in with friends
rain geode
I sorta want to give it a try at some point
rain geode
isnt chaotic like 24 people
worldly grotto
1.5 times the rewards btw
rapid whale
is advanced that sweet spot of like, challenging enough to make you think but not punishing enough to wipe you for failing
lyric summit
it is very recoverable
sick dirge
you can literally rezbot through the whole thing
lyric summit
but its not like savage level of thinking
sick dirge
lyric summit
its like below ex but above dt leveling dungeons
rapid whale
The fabled mid core content
lyric summit
can i get forehead slider
spice path
If only. Hairs look like shit on male viera cause 5head
clear plume
Advanced is what is known as “impossible to have a leaderboard for”
timber stratus
i wish it would barse
barseslop
valid solar
can i get forehead slider
Honestly I think both those hairstyles look pretty good on your character
remote gate
top be on some shit for tanks 🥀
valid solar
top be on some shit for tanks 🥀
Because that image is a png it's unreadable on light mode
remote gate
who tf uses light mode
zealous meteor
me (half the time)
valid solar
Me
remote gate
valid solar
Thanks
clear plume
Light mode with low brightness is better for your eyes than reading light text on dark screens
fierce matrix
Because that image is a png it's unreadable on light mode
good, light mode users dont deserve rights
remote gate
i wouldn't go that far dang
fierce matrix
if i was world leader my country would imprison light mode users
its a crime to do such things
dapper zealot
Based
valid solar
is advanced that sweet spot of like, challenging enough to make you think but no...
yeah its like 80% "you only kill yourself if you fuck up" and the other 20% can still be recovered from if someone sacs (assuming 3/4 people)
misty jungle
anyone available to run Asphodelos? so far just got 1 healer and 1 dps. been sitting in que for an hour lol
loud nymph
for normal? 
misty jungle
also apologize if this isnt the right spot to post this. genuinely first time popping up in this discord
yeah, on normal. im working my way through the circles for the first time
rain geode
Unfortunatly its just a bit early in the morning
loud nymph
which dc because if you're on dynamis or some shit just come to aether and queue there
kind elm
an hour queue for pandae normal on not dynamis is kinda wild
even early morning itd usually pop by now
rain geode
an hour queue for pandae normal on not dynamis is kinda wild
its about what mine was (until like 4-5 cool people from the server joined me)
EW stuff just takes a long time to queue
sly basin
are u sitting in pf or df? df should fill eventually
also id chill on aether/primal/crystal
maybe aether/primal...
misty jungle
im in DF, and i cant remember which DC im in but my server is halicarnassus. ill take my buddy and see if it pops in aether
alpine plover
newbie run clearing durin bonus 
grand mesa
Your best bet is aether if dynamis queues aren't popping in a timely manner
grand mesa
if your friend has any healers leveled, it might also make the queue faster
sly basin
ya unf dynamis is very low pop, esp for older content
sly basin
newbie run clearing durin bonus <:pogg:1046451284728889394>
are u working towards dais?
rain geode
EW content is already slow to pop if you add dynamis onto that its gonna take forever
zealous meteor
don't queue for old optional content on dynamis
you will be sad
misty jungle
@grand mesa lol my buddy is on his healer, im rolling DPS
alpine plover
are u working towards dais?
nah i'm just helping people clear and selling hairstyles
zealous meteor
mandatory stuff will pop, optional stuff will take a loooooooong time even during peak hours
we usually use PF for it if you don't want to travel
alpine plover
i have all mounts
sly basin
ohhh yeah the hair is so nice to sell now, price rose again cause it's run less
fierce matrix
I need to go back and farm it for the minion I never got
sly basin
true for the bonussy
fierce matrix
alpine plover
all savage slimes newbie runs cleared this week again
sly basin
I need to go back and farm it for the minion I never got
oooof good luck
fierce matrix
I havent cleared it since like week 3 lmao
sly basin
can always start clearing again tomorrow hehe
grand mesa
I haven't done chaotic since it was current
true beacon
I need to work on it more
sly basin
just see if radar has anything for "reclear after long break" they usually have some of those
sly basin
its honestly my fav content in the hame other than bozja, idk what it is but i would run it for fun all the time
sly basin
Uh, like when the clones spawned
theres still p2 prog pfs!
true beacon
I haven’t touched it since like week 1 or 2
sly basin
ya thats okay
wicked delta
I cleared it but only on EU sajj
sly basin
can always touch again now
grand mesa
just see if radar has anything for "reclear after long break" they usually have ...
if you're a halfway decent player you can probably just rawdog it after reading a guide or two to freshen up on mechanics
sly basin
if you're a halfway decent player you can probably just rawdog it after reading ...
yea those pfs are usually turned quickly into farms
fierce matrix
My goal is to clear it day 1, not do it at all and then 4 years later come back, fuck up every mech and call everyone else shit since I cleared it before all of them
boreal pumice
newbie run clearing durin bonus <:pogg:1046451284728889394>
knew i should picked chaotic over FT
sly basin
My goal is to clear it day 1, not do it at all and then 4 years later come back,...
tbf u cleared it when it was more challenging 
i had winter break when it dropped so i just did cod nonstop
fierce matrix
I was talking to a friend last night and we were bullshitting back and forth about how the game is hard to compare who is better or not
Cause like
Ik people who dont have the time to do week 1 groups but are god tier gamers and learn strats just by vibes basically
But I cant say they are better than week 1 people cause they havent gone into stuff blind with minimal strats to make things easier
But unless they join a blind static (which is really hard to find thats good lol) you dont really get that opportunity
kind elm
Ik people who dont have the time to do week 1 groups but are god tier gamers and...
yea its me
im hot
