should be a pinned message
#questions-and-help
wintry chasm
remote lintel
you could look up the cutscenes on youtube?
oblique trellis
whad do the O and P mean after enemy names?
remote lintel
just letters to distinguish the same enemy
wintry chasm
The only thing you need to do in addition to this
oblique trellis
ah ok
wintry chasm
is read a Crystal Tower summary as well since CT isn't included in Rommy's summary since it wasn't MSQ at that time
soooo
remote lintel
assuming they did CT and skipped it
lavish ginkgo
I'll look into this actually
solemn oak
Hello! Sorry for interrupting but, I was wondering if anyone in this discord still does Coils? I have been enjoying the free trial and heard the story for the raid is excellent however, everyone says never do it through duty finder and I was directed here. When is prime time for people to ask for runs?
solemn oak
I can't use party finder on the free trial
wintry chasm
I'd help but you're on aether 😦
solemn oak
Appreciate the thought none the less
lavish ginkgo
The main reason I was questioning the story was because I actually kept up with the class quests, they were actualy pretty fun. Hopefully I can catch up on the msq
solemn oak
Recruitment channel sounds like a plan so thank you
remote lintel
yeah the writing gets way better in HW so i'd definitely pay attention to that
also dark knight has the best class story
ocean tartan
HW = Game of Thrones.
wispy parcel
The Dark Knight job questline was so good the lady who wrote it got promoted to head writter for Shadowbringers
wintry chasm
I mean, it wasn't just because of the DRK questline
remote lintel
^and it shows, in the shadowbringers story
lavish ginkgo
Never watched/read game of thrones, that comparison is kinda lost on me
wispy parcel
Correction HW = Game of Thrones but its doesnt go to shit halfway through
remote lintel
i never watched GoT either lmao
lavish ginkgo
Didnt I go to shit like in the last season
ocean tartan
Dark Knight story ties with ShB?
wintry chasm
No
If you're confused by what Cerb said they just mean "you can see it in the Shadowbringers story because Ishikawa, the writer, has a certain way of writing"
leaden ginkgo
DRK doesn't even get a special line anywhere 
ocean tartan
ShB is one of the best story of any videogame.
lavish ginkgo
One LAST thing too, is there a way to store appearances like wows collection tab or do I just throw whatever I wanna glam into storage
pliant vessel
hey im new, does the free trial have a time period or a level cap ?
remote lintel
!faq glamourdresser
zinc orbitBOT
remote lintel
this
wispy parcel
@pliant vessel Level Cap of 60
remote lintel
it stores glamour
wintry chasm
No time limit
pliant vessel
thats the 1st expac right ?
wispy parcel
ye
lavish ginkgo
That's actually so much better thank you
pliant vessel
gotcha, ill try it out
lavish ginkgo
I've just had one specific coat with me since level 20
wintry chasm
you pretty much have access to the entire base game and first expansion outside of some social restrictions
foggy flame
Question about dailies. If I do expert roulette is the 40 Allegory tomestones bonus? (on top of the 50 the dungeons normally give if you just queue for them) or do I only get 40 for doing the roulette?
analog gate
bonus on top of the 50
faint flare
You get 90 total
pliant vessel
how long does it usually take a newish player for level 60 ?
foggy flame
sweet thanks
wintry chasm
how long does it usually take a newish player for level 60 ?
honestly?
However long it takes you to do main story
wispy parcel
like 2 months for a normal person
wintry chasm
which has so many variables I'm not even going to entertain giving an answer to the question
because it's so hard
magic wren
What’s the highest ilv gear for lv 60?
wintry chasm
270
pliant vessel
gotcha
wintry chasm
If you want the name it's just "Augmented Shire XXXX"
wispy parcel
everything in this game is locked by the story and the story is 100% required to do yea
pliant vessel
how similar is this game to phantasy star ?
wispy parcel
it can take a while
wintry chasm
Not....very
wispy parcel
not at all
pliant vessel
yeah im coming from pso2 so
lavish ginkgo
2 months? Is 50-60 way slower or something?
wintry chasm
.>
<.<
Who here has actually played PSO2 for more than a few hours so they can give a good comparison?
2 months? Is 50-60 way slower or something?
Yes
wispy parcel
Much slower
pliant vessel
its ok, i was just wondering
magic wren
Are obtaining relic weapons for HW the same as ARR?
wispy parcel
Relic grind in HW is just grinding poetics
magic wren
Like the quests, are they similar?
ocean tartan
its ok, i was just wondering
@pliant vessel PSO2 is action combat. FFXIV Is tab targeting
wintry chasm
I suppose Impreza but as Sora is saying it's more poetic heavy
it's generally easier than the ARR ones
remote lintel
@pliant vessel ff14 is more similar to WoW or GW2 although people hate to see it
pliant vessel
i see
remote lintel
the anima relics are way easier impreza
pliant vessel
yea im downloading now so ill just try it out, heard early game is rough tho
magic wren
@remote lintel from arr?
ocean tartan
The extra mission in ShB when you complete all the job quest for every role is MSQ?
remote lintel
@magic wren yes
pliant vessel
dude i dont know , ive just heard
wispy parcel
ARR is just slow and a bit dull
remote lintel
its not rough, its just story heavy and starts out slow
wispy parcel
but its needed to understand the plot
magic wren
Yeah I was trying to get yoshimitsu but man it’s a grind dude.
wintry chasm
The extra mission in ShB when you complete all the job quest for every role is MSQ?
If you mean the extra quest after you do every rolequest chain no
It's just a 
at the bar
"Shadows Walk with Me"
magic wren
I went all the way through ata I believe it’s called I’m not too sure.
wintry chasm
...ata?
magic wren
I forgot the name, but it’s after you get the relic from ARR. It’s after gerolts quests.
The guy that’s a chemist if that helps. Lol
magic wren
Yea that’s it!
wintry chasm
Sorry tbh I thought you and the person talking about role quests was the same person. I was confused
magic wren
Ah no it’s okay 👌🏽
wintry chasm
(get a fucking profile picture smh)
ocean tartan
ARR relics are worth for the glamour?
remote lintel
both of you
wintry chasm
Both of you
ARR relics are worth for the glamour?
That's a question to ask yourself
remote lintel
if you like the glamour sure
pliant vessel
so after I hit 60 and I want to keep playing , the game's $60 ?
or is there a subscription
remote lintel
both
pliant vessel
oof
wintry chasm
Buying the game will give you 30 days
remote lintel
but the base game gives you 30 days
wintry chasm
and then yeah sub after
Cerb you're a filthy American
is the complete edition actually $60?
wintry chasm
It sounds a tad high
wispy parcel
its 60
remote lintel
our freedom bucks
wispy parcel
ur Euros are weird
ocean tartan
You can get the game for 20 In a sale.
pliant vessel
for everything ?
magic wren
PS store had the complete edition a couple weeks ago on sale for $30.
ocean tartan
I correct my self for PC on a sale you can get the Complete Edition for $40
remote lintel
there might be a black friday sale
zinc orbitBOT
willow dune
Q: An item used for glamour won't be used up right? It can be glamoured on multiple times?
remote lintel
correct
willow dune
Thanks!
fast talon
I started doing my fair share of glamour and you think 16 plates is a lot at first but it really isn't.
oblique trellis
lol I'm dumb and just realized I messed up, tho anyone who notices me may have caught it
I'm doing my first HW Primal, not ARR
still go in blind?
ocean tartan
You can say you are new on the party chat
honest anvil
The Vath one?
oblique trellis
Yes
honest anvil
blind is fine for that one imo
fast talon
I love that fight. It's so cool. Why do the bug people have such a cool primal.
wintry chasm
Again Five
fast talon
Also yeah I never had any issues doing MSQ primals blind, unless this is extreme.
wintry chasm
You only have to look up a guide for extreme trials
and savage raids
anything else is blind approved
boreal storm
@fast talon Cuz hive mind probably
oblique trellis
k just wanted to make suuuuure
remote lintel
just remember he does a knockback and the walls collapse so you want your back to a wall
thats pretty much it
wintry chasm
Just let them fiiind ouuuuut
fast talon
Honestly probably better to go in blind just for the cool factor and experience factor
oblique trellis
if I was on my DPS I wouldn't even be asking 😄
fast talon
What are you using?
oblique trellis
DRK
magic wren
HW relics only available after you beat the MSQ?
remote lintel
well dps got a little more to handle in that fight
fast talon
Well worst case scenario just play as off tank. In non extreme you might as well be another DPS
Just you know don't die
remote lintel
@magic wren after you beat HW
wintry chasm
after you beat HW
Hw base game to be clear
fast talon
Man the HW relic for summoner is cool but it'd such a slog. Basically just poetics farming. And I hate doing duty roulette msq
remote lintel
hunt trains give poetics iirc
fast talon
Never really see much of those in the JP centers
I think I saw one once but it was in ShB based on th coords and I'm still in Dragonsong
magic wren
Would you say that it’s not worth grinding out the tombstones for it?
magic wren
Ohh I didn’t know that.
fast talon
At this point the HW relics are just cosmetics
So if you think it's cool enough
Go for it
magic wren
Gotcha makes sense, when the dlc first came out people would basically go for it since that 60 was cap
remote lintel
relics are never the best weapon until later in the patches
fast talon
Yeah. Like rn a lot of people are farming the ShB relic cuz it the newest one
remote lintel
even when its new
magic wren
So as a newer player, do you guys just recommend playing through the msq?
magic wren
Meaning the crystal tower?
remote lintel
crystal tower is mandatory
fast talon
That's for ARR. HW has its own raid
wintry chasm
I'd go a step further and say "absolutely do the raids and trial series in the expansion before moving onto the next"
boreal storm
You can’t get to the cool shit(tm) without progressing msq
wintry chasm
Also yeah CT is mandatory for MSQ anyway
fast talon
Oh yeah crystal tower is mandatory now
My buddies and I put the msq on hold after HW to do the entire Alexander series. Good times. Kick ass music.
But then two of my buddies are insistent on farming the anima weapons atm
wintry chasm
I've said it earlier but doing the raids for an expansion before continuing is pretty good for several reasons
magic wren
Alexander is a raid?
remote lintel
yes
magic wren
For Hw?
wintry chasm
Yes
remote lintel
each expansion has 12 8-man raids and 3 24-man raids
magic wren
Ooooh. That’s cool.
wintry chasm
each expansion has 12 8-man raids and 3 24-man raids
That is to say, one 8-man raid series split into 12 fights and one 24-man raid series split into 3 "fights"
magic wren
So this Alexander raid, you obtain it through msq, correct?
remote lintel
no
wintry chasm
No
remote lintel
raids are always side quests
wintry chasm
The only mandatory raid in the game is CT
Though
Again, I'd pretty much say doing the optional raids in the expansion they are in is pretty much a must
magic wren
I see..
scarlet sandal
Basically just think of them as msq
magic wren
What’s the level requirement for that raid?
wintry chasm
60
remote lintel
the level cap
ocean tartan
Raids should be mandatory or at least recommended by the game. >.<
magic wren
Ah okay
remote lintel
raids are unlocked after you beat the expansion
fast talon
Ilvl is like 230 tho iirc
wintry chasm
raids for an expansion is always at the level cap of that expansion
fast talon
Hey to you veterans there I have a question, was warring triad added before or after 3.4
wintry chasm
Yes and no
remote lintel
its added in patches
wintry chasm
^
remote lintel
so over time
fast talon
Ah that makes sense then
faint flare
3.2. 3.4 and 3.5
wintry chasm
and 3.3 technically
remote lintel
the 8 man raids are added in 3 sets of 4
faint flare
Just like Four lords and now Weapon series
remote lintel
so 12 total
fast talon
We finished warring triad along side 3.4 and were surprised when a concept mentioned in th MSQ was also there
faint flare
The "side" trials follow that pattern
sage geyser
hi i bought the shadowbringers dlc but im having issues registering it to my mogstation, i get error code: i2501
fast talon
Don't wanna spoil it of course
wintry chasm
||Sephirot for 3.2, the solo instance for 3.3, Sophia for 3.4, Zurvan for 3.5|| @fast talon
fast talon
Okay thanks. That makes sense now.
wintry chasm
I think I know the bit you mean
remote lintel
@sage geyser are you putting it in the "enter expansion code" and NOT "enter item code"
sage geyser
yes
magic wren
What’s the timeline looking like for the next expansion? Is there a release date set?
wintry chasm
Some time next year
remote lintel
probably fall 2021
sage geyser
can anyone help?
magic wren
Alright, that gives me time then.
sage geyser
steam, exactly where the mogstation sent me to
wintry chasm
riiiight
remote lintel
are you sure its a code for the correct region?
sage geyser
yep
remote lintel
and youre not using a vpn?
sage geyser
yes but its for my region 🙂
wintry chasm
Okay one last question
click the "mogstation" at the top
and send a screenshot of the page
just need to double check a potential issue
sage geyser
wintry chasm
bad news, error 2501 is sooo generic
It's hard to pinpoint
can you try turning off the VPN?
2501 can be a connection issue
sage geyser
it isnt a billing issue @remote lintel its already purchased
and okay i'll try turning vpn off
remote lintel
i would still try the solutions they list
ocean tartan
You bought the dlc on steam and you play on steam?
Also try to register the dlc from a mobile device. @sage geyser
sage geyser
thank you @wintry chasm it was the vpn 🙂
wintry chasm
When in doubt, always try the VPN
lavish ginkgo
VPN got my account suspended like 3 times because it kept switching during registration lol
sage geyser
i have to use vpn cause my provider blocks ports to many online games ^^' i'm actually pretty new to using one so didn't really think about it
fast talon
Here's a weird one. When I went to purchase the game it wouldn't let me unless I was using mobile data.
Still don't know why.
fair blaze
Does anyone know if dragoon gets any easier to play later on, I'm level 61 right now and im already sometimes getting overwhelmed by trying to keep blood of the dragon going while still doing other stuff like staying alive
faint flare
You get your 5th combo step which allows using Fang+claw aftwr wheeling thrust and vice via, extending BotD by 20s per combo
And you get a trait to reduce BotD cooldown low enough you can keep it up indefinitely by reusing the skill
DRG is very static in its rotation
queen flame
faint flare
Under the duty section of Hud editor iirc...do it while in Wolves den
gentle quarry
@fair blaze Yes you get another combo to extend BotD
Also the base BotD skill itself refreshes rather quickly anyway
Unless there's some long ass RP or just in the trash section of dungeons I find it doesn't really fall off
signal pumice
hi! do i need to take all my furni out of my estate before i move?
faint flare
If you're relocating its stored into the storeroom and its temporarily doubled
Though if it cant all fit even with the double size, you'll need to remove some
signal pumice
ty!
lavish ginkgo
is there a point to using veraro/verthunder II ever?
jade quartz
Yes they’re your AoE basics
lavish ginkgo
i missed that
faint flare
!faq 50rdm
zinc orbitBOT
willow dune
Q: I just unlocked Thornmarch (Hard) from the MSQ, there's no Normal Mode I missed out is there?
gentle quarry
No Thornmarch starts at Hard
willow dune
Sweet, thanks
faint flare
Hard modes are basically the normal modes for trials
wintry chasm
from now on
gentle quarry
I think Normal is just the ones below Lvl 50
warped nest
Only Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan have all 3: normal, hard, and ex.
Their normal is 4 player
gentle quarry
everything after that starts at Hard
jade quartz
Level 50 story mode trials are marked (Hard) so that they stay in line with the Garuda/Ifrit/Titan (Hard) modes
wintry chasm
hard mode is basically just normal mode tbh
willow dune
What are trials?
warped nest
ARR is weird this way
jade quartz
which in turn simply distinguish them from their 4-man normal versions.
warped nest
Just boss fights
willow dune
Oh okok
jade quartz
They continue with this until Sephirot
when they drop the whole (Hard) thing because it's a bit silly
warped nest
@finite swift change settinga
gentle quarry
Trials are just 1 Boss fight essentially
zinc orbitBOT
warped nest
Thanks Vinyl
obsidian patio
When holding L1, the dpad changes how it targets
L1 + up/down scrolls through enemies you’re in combat with
L1 + Left/Right scrolls through the alliance party members
Just press up/down without holding L1
90% sure no
left moth
Nope just for selecting things in combat with as opposed to everything targetable, and alliance players. Soft select with dpad is the setting mentioned above
obsidian patio
I don’t bother with swapping targeting filter in most cases
left moth
(Not having L1 down, just tapping on pad, not pressing face buttons otherwise that hard targets)
zinc orbitBOT
potent shale
I have troubles with my headphones rn
so apparently if I use a bluetooth headset for some reason the game's sounds starts to glitch if I talk on discord
so often times I have to run discord on a seperate device
how do I fix this problem?
ember goblet
little swift
probably not?
kind burrow
where can i find the free trial client? its all very confusing
zinc orbitBOT
little swift
@kind burrow
kind burrow
thank you, i'll try that!
stable hinge
how often should I be tending crops
oblique trellis
K, I unlocked all the aether currents for my area... now how do I fly? lol
wheat plume
I get that for crafters, Craftsmanship makes more progress per step while using Synthesis and nothing more (please correct me if I'm wrong), but what does Control do?
plain python
it increases your quality point per attempt
also the proc of "critical" hit for quality-increase attempt (good/excellence)
gentle quarry
@oblique trellis Get on your mount and press jump
wheat plume
That critical hit, is just a random chance of getting more quiality?
or is it from an action?
twilit arch
control increases the amount the touch abilities do
thorn mantle
hi can you do the dungeons for relic quests unsynced?
twilit arch
basically craftsmanship = progress, control = quality
remote lintel
yes
west spruce
yes
thorn mantle
aight ty
wheat plume
getting higher level gets me higher craftsmanship and control? Or only better gear can get those stats?
remote lintel
gear
plain python
high level = better gear access
wheat plume
also the proc of "critical" hit for quality-increase attempt (good/excellence)
@plain python is that critical just a chance of getting more quiality while using touch?
plain python
well, for every action you do in crafting, you have a chance for "Condition" to be "Good" or "Excellence", when you use a Touch with this Condition on, your quality bar will increase more than normal
wheat plume
and how does Control affect that?
plain python
just make them proc more often?
remote lintel
good and excellent condition give a boost to whichever action you do iirc
wheat plume
just make them proc more often?
@plain python so with more control, I get more good/excellence
faint flare
Control doesn't affect conditions
It doesn't make them happen more often
It only affects how much quality you gain via touch
plain python
hm, I guess I misread it somewhere. Still, the higher control the better
if you want to craft high-quality items
plain python
or you can convert good/excellence to CP
little swift
the crit is random
ancient ferry
someone knows if there is an event on november? i don't remember the road map?
faint flare
Make it rain will last until late November
twilit arch
make it rain is ending nov 20
faint flare
^
kind eagle
What about bozja
twilit arch
next event is most likely going to be christmas
kind eagle
Will it end
remote lintel
bozja is permanent?
kind eagle
Cool
twilit arch
its permeant content
faint flare
Its part of the relic line
kind eagle
How long does it take for people to get bored of it
faint flare
Depends
remote lintel
people still do eureka
faint flare
Soloing in bojza isn't hard
wheat plume
So...
Getting crit is the same as getting good/excellent, but it happens randomly.
Good/Excellent gives a bonus of quality while using touch.
Control is like the base amount of quality I get with Touch.
Right?
kind eagle
Because i dont feel like lvling bard yet
swift pasture
noob question: whats the name of the finger gun emote?
leaden ginkgo
Whats the easiest craft for white scrips?
plain python
how to make class-specific pose?
plain python
oh 😄
crimson wind
invalid user huh
twilit arch
keep in mind tho
those prices are based off of fairie's world prices
ideally wanna to copy it and put in your own world's/datacenters prices to a better idea
limber walrus
hey guys if I have multiple of the same minions, and they're untradeable, are they just trash?
should I just toss
(referring to wedding minions)
that, and seasonal event tokens
twilit arch
ya, pretty much nothing can do with multiple untradeable minions but toss em
limber walrus
okay
Should I save any seasonal event tokens? I still have the easter and last year's xmas ones
twilit arch
nope, toss em
limber walrus
thank you
I am trying to clear out my inventory 😅
my girlfriend has 4 retainers and is considering getting a 5th lol...and I don't want to go down that route... I'd rather just stick with my 2
and have clean inventory
whole thunder
Still only lvl 54 SCH, but for any scholars out there, do I still use art of war for 2+ mobs or is it now 3+ since I unloocked broil?
warped nest
!action Broil
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warped nest
!action Art of War
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warped nest
Ummm...
twilit arch
160x2 = 320
warped nest
What potency do you have on your SCH?
whole thunder
There’s no combo potency since broil is a one and done.
twilit arch
art of war would be stronger at 2 targets still
faint flare
Plus its easy weaving
wheat plume
When I use search in market, sometimes a heart appears next to item name, why is that?
faint flare
Shows its popular, its wishlisted by alot of people
wheat plume
What's the difference if crafting materials are HQ ?
crimson wind
Higher chance to craft an item that uses it as HQ iirc
plain python
if every of your mats are HQ, you start at the latter half of the quality bar
twilit arch
you have higher starting quality depending on how many HQ crafting materials
which can make it easier to HQ that item
wheat plume
great, that really helps a lot, thanks
plain python
is there a way to get HQ from monster loot outside of killing them and hope for the best?
faint flare
Send combat retainers out
They occasionally bring back HQ mats
Of the thing you sent them to get
leaden ginkgo
what normal raids can I unlock at level 67?
the roulette says I don't meet the requirements, but my ilvl is ok
glossy flare
Alexander
aka all the HW ones
Quests for this should be somewhere in Idyllshire or Hinterlands, I don't remember
hidden lotus
Okay there has got to be a way to increase HQ drop rates from overworld mobs, right? Something like this exists?
I've been shooting goats for 15 minutes now trying to get HQ horns with no luck @_@
limber walrus
is there any more use for the grade 2 skybuilder's stuff or NQ "Oddly specific" items? or can I toss those now?
pliant karma
How do you keybind so that you could press 20 buttons easily
dusk crystal
Why can't I post this? It only says "Unable to upload photo."
faint flare
@hidden lotus nope there isn't
glossy flare
use the same button mutliple times with modifier buttons
hidden lotus
uuughhh I was afraid of that.. 
glossy flare
Like Q, Shift + Q and ALT + Q for 3 skills total
celest bison
Hmm are u trying to post it here? @dusk crystal
dusk crystal
Nah
kind burrow
you first need to finish HW MSQ (not post heavensward) @leaden ginkgo but you also need to unlock at least 2 raids before you can use the roulette
celest bison
Oh i dont really use reddit so idk
dusk crystal
I see
limber walrus
is there any more use for the grade 2 skybuilder's stuff or NQ "Oddly specific" items? or can I toss those now?
leaden ginkgo
@kind burrow I've done that roulette on my lvl 70 chars just fine, but those are the Omega raids and the Ivalice raids
so I just wanted to know where to unlock the HW (lv60) raids so that my lower level chars can also use that roulette
Get 12 buttons you can press somewhat easily, add two modifiers you can press comfortably, 36 keybinds ready to go
faint flare
You can still craft up grade 2 stuff if you have enough and turn it in. Otherwise toss
kind burrow
@leaden ginkgo
zinc orbitBOT
faint flare
Yes basically afaik
hardy gazelle
glossy flare
You can use retainers or your chocobo saddlebag
sage geyser
Hello, I'm looking for a noob friendly, helpful, laid-back FC to make some friends. A mix of levels would be nice and British if possible ^^' I know there's a FC recruit section but I struggle reading long pages of text so I hope this isn't a problem ❤️ I'm on Phoenix. Feel free to add me / PM me about it. Thank you
tight kettle
I created an alt and one big thing i notice is the settings are different, how do I copy camera settings and the other settings so it is the same as the settings on my main character? o:
merry mica
wat should i meld to this for sam 
leaden ginkgo
anytips for gil farming
little swift
do your msq coconut
@ripe hound use the !xivmath rspeed <insert gcd here> command in #kupo-bot-spam
to figure some tiers out
for example
ripe hound
kk thanks!
little swift
!xivmath rspeed 2.44
zinc orbitBOT
ripe hound
Thanks!
ripe hound
Also as GNB I choose meld DH over DET right?
ripe hound
Oh my god SAM wants DH over Crit!?
little swift
but dhit is chance
ripe hound
Weird class
little swift
its just a consistency thing
its not any different
because crit needs a lot more to scale better in a sense
getting dhit
at least earlier on helps you consistently do more damage with dhits
ripe hound
I see
ripe hound
I'm just too used to the "just meld Crit" mentality
little swift
that said crit scales on both the multiplier and the chance
so you want more of it whenever you can
i think the threshold this patch is 3.5k crit starts to outscale?
don't quote me on that
ripe hound
kk
little swift
so maybe the bis of sam just has more crit pieces
so you can't overcap
and then dhit becomes the prio
because you've hit a decent crit number
ripe hound
kk
ripe hound
I see
merry mica
i do not understand 
little swift
!faq sambis
zinc orbitBOT
little swift
so here's the best in slot list for this tier
and what melds to use based on skill speed preferred
there's a priority in which you want to meld
the priority listed i showed you above
you follow that and try not to overcap
smoky kernel
How is Ninja in pvp and pve?
fast hull
... well NIN for me is a mage killer in PVP. That wide range silence makes casters run as heck and I stab them to death . PVE a good damager if you know to use that ninja magic. Disclaimer I am just a casual player though. (Also stealth is good for being sneaking and stealing nodes/bases in PVP)
jade quartz
it's fine in PvE
jobs are balanced.
PvP balance is another story and I don't really know where NIN stands there
but PvP is
very separate
smoky kernel
Does NIN have the opportunity to combo to a a one shot in pvp?
jade quartz
and not played that much
smoky kernel
"one shot"
fast hull
well you can oneshot if you have enough BH and anyclass can do that if they are good
oh I mean battle heat
smoky kernel
Yea, but I mean since you got stealth etc, so you can catch them by suprise :p
fast hull
yeah you can use trick
smoky kernel
So basically a good NIN can do well in any PvPvE
I´m more of a pvp player, but I´m also really competitive in pve dmg rankings
fast hull
but remember oneshotting 1 person is very rare in the kinds of PVP here I mean you kill one and 3-10 are at your heals
potent shale
I want that crown thingy
fast hull
I think the smith person has the requirements?
smoky kernel
Yea, but if you can stunlock/make them not use stuff and catch them by suprise
But again I am new
So I don´t know what NIN have
yet
potent shale
which class is the most likely to leave a player commendation
fast hull
potent shale
ohhhh
glossy flare
Just for the record, the crown means you are willing and able to help people
It's not just for looking pretty
fast hull
yeah here PVP is like a swarm, I can get stragglers on rare occasions but mostly I just run with groups
jade quartz
Be a nice mentor and don't try to give advice if you're not sure of the answer 
fast hull
like in 1 alliance you have like 72 people
sinful mist
Probably a good tank or healer that also lead the party and stuff get the most recommends
jade quartz
let's be real it's just a serverwide shitpost chat
glossy flare
kind of, yeah
smoky kernel
I just wanted to know if NIN have the opportunity to be at the top
glossy flare
Though it's pretty okay over on Light imho
fast hull
yeah they can, I think they rival SAM in melee? for rival wings I mean
DRG are like robot killers
glossy flare
I can't really speak for pvp tbh
But for pve, no job has a significant advantage over any other job
The balance is very good.
jade quartz
Enemy debuff
glossy flare
It has trick attack, which effectively increases everyone's dmg by 5% for some time, yes
smoky kernel
Ah I see
glossy flare
But most jobs have some utility like that
And if they haven't, that is usually compensated by just having more dmg themselves
like Samurai
smoky kernel
I have just seen some damage meters and saw that NIN ain´t too high on the list
glossy flare
The difference in dmg in an optimal environment is not that significant tbh
Especially if you take stuff like trick attack into account
glossy flare
It's not that hard, it just has a very fast paced high apm phase for each trick attack window
Yeah that is normal
jade quartz
fast hull
Well in wolves den I can't see a buff buff like other people. I just like to spam ill wind XD
glossy flare
You save all of your high dmg moves for the dmg increase you have via trick attack
smoky kernel
Yea I just like challenges tbh
glossy flare
So NIN's dmg comes in waves
jade quartz
distribution of E8S rdps parses over the last two weeks for E8S (current savage endboss)
glossy flare
Do note that both Dancer and Bard are very heavy on the supporting side of things
smoky kernel
I´m only a rogue now since I started playing yday
glossy flare
which is why their personal dmg is so low
smoky kernel
Had to relevel since I switched to rogue at lvl 11
jade quartz
this is rdps
glossy flare
oh I see
jade quartz
so it's accounting for raid dps they contributed via buffs
smoky kernel
And it reset my lvl
jade quartz
though of course this makes the parse dependant on party.
little swift
thats how switching classes works
sinful mist
Yeah but always remember e8s is a different world. I regularly do more damage than top dps with dancer
little swift
they have independent levels
simple pine
what is the emote or item where you pop a huge champagne bottle?
little swift
thats the realm reborn red
smoky kernel
Do they? I heard just some have, those that came later
jade quartz
but you'll notice ninja there is the second-highest-parsing melee dps
glossy flare
Some start at a higher lvl
little swift
its a firework item essentially
glossy flare
But each job still has its own level
simple pine
how would I get one? google is not helpful because the item name matches the game name..
glossy flare
Like you can be lvl 80 when you unlock SAM but SAM still starts at 50
jade quartz
and is under SAM by a meagre ~300-400 dps
smoky kernel
So NIN is pretty solid in PvE then, and pvp?
jade quartz
out of 19000
glossy flare
No idea about pvp, it's not very popular either tbh
smoky kernel
Is there something in the cash shop that´s worth buying btw?
smoky kernel
Well I do like my cosmetics
little swift
@simple pine realm reborn red can be bought from npcs during the Rising events that happen every year, otherwise you can check the marketboard for them
jade quartz
Player skill is a massively more important variable.
glossy flare
The only kind of functional things are some easy to get 2 or 4 person mounts I guess
simple pine
oh i thought it was the event with the "minion from the trailers"
smoky kernel
I have seen a few NIN on the top rankings in PvP so I guess if played well NIN can be one of the top PvP jobs
glossy flare
I guess what makes NIN good in a pvp environment is the toolbox kit it has
jade quartz
It gave Wind-up Ardbert, yes
glossy flare
NIN has something for every situation which is, I imagine, pretty handy in pvp
Hey in pvp you probably even use that ice ninjutsu without kassatsu
to root people
glossy flare
yeah
jade quartz
PvP skillsets are entirely separate from PvE ones @glossy flare
you don't have the same hotbars
glossy flare
Yeah, I just assumed they at least have similar Ninjutsu
simple pine
ah I see, I still had the rising quest active but the event is indeed gone
fast hull
Yeah but if I see a NIN I usually bind and silence them before they can silence on me and if I have like 5 stacks of BH I can kill them pretty easily (if I am not silenced first)
glossy flare
but fair point, I shouldn't assume 😅
glossy flare
huh, bummer
little swift
its different
glossy flare
I like that, but it makes sense for a pvp environment
fast hull
well the mudra is actually just 1 button now "Three Mudra"
the have the wide fire and single ice thing
jade quartz
which allows you to either hit Hyosho Ranryu (single target) or Goka Mekkyaku (AoE)
fast hull
but no doton ;-;
jade quartz
that's the extent of the ninjutsu system in PvP
hit one button to unlock the ability to hit another button
glossy flare
I'm surprised they don't have doton, the slowed movement seems like it was meant for pvp. It's not like it is the deciding factor in pve
fast hull
but the most unique skill is definetly Ill wind XD so many dead healers
can anyone explain Bunshin not really a NIN main?
glossy flare
for pve? it just replicates all weaponskills you use until you don't have any stacks left
Do note, weaponskills only
fast hull
so this is the closest thing to a personal buff right?
glossy flare
So Ninjutsu for example are not replicated
jade quartz
it doesn't really replicate them
little swift
its just a dot
glossy flare
yeah, true
little swift
if you break it down to its basics
jade quartz
it adds 200 potency on top of any melee weaponskills you do
and 100 potency on top of any AoEs you do + knife throw
glossy flare
the potency of the attack used is fixed and not based on the skill you use
But it still only triggers off of weaponskills
jade quartz
and gives ninki
fast hull
I mean for pvp (1000 potency for melee, 800 for range, 600 for aoes for 10 seconds)
sorry I rarely use Nin in PVP mostly BRD/WHM/BLM
jade quartz
same thing but for fewer attacks and with those PvP potencies.
your next three weaponskills have extra potency added to them
1000/800/600 potency added to melee/ranged/AoE weaponskills
verbal rune
Forgot to ask, is there some guide for healers on controller?
jade quartz
and +10 ninki gauge for each hit
fast hull
ah thank you
jade quartz
expires if you don't use them all within ten seconds
fast hull
What I don't like about PLD in PVP that they put opposite in Requeiscat (use when low on mana -_- ) and you practice a rotation that uses it on full mana
smoky kernel
Would you say play your first char lvl 80 before thinking about buy level up
zinc orbitBOT
fast hull
well I mean you really need to be familiar with the skills. I rather repeat dungeons than practice on a dummy.
sinful mist
It really depends. How much money is your time worth? If you only play a few hours a week it's surely an option
fast hull
But some people are good with level ups (sadly I am not one of them) I have a hard time getting the kit down such as GNB RDM and SAM since the tools are already there dont have tiem to practice
sinful mist
Getting a second or third character to 80 is usually faster.
smoky kernel
I´m not too bad at adapting
So if I do, it won´t take too long til I get used to it
smoky kernel
Also kinda sucks that I need to make a new class if I want to do the main quest again since I got lvl 1 when I got rogue and lost the first levels to the other class, and I don´t want to delete or make a new char without the name
I might do that then
Since you can downgrade your level
right?
scarlet sandal
what
smoky kernel
To the dungeon
fast hull
I am confused that you need to do the main quest again
scarlet sandal
you seem to be very confused
smoky kernel
@fast hull I did main quest on the other char and it got to lvl 11, but rogue starts at lvl 1 so I don´t have hte first parts of the main quest
Since i have already done it
sinful mist
Main quest is always the same
twilit arch
you can just your hunting log to get to where your msq is
and do msq on rogue instead
it really doesn't take that much work to level up alt classes
smoky kernel
Yea, but it ain´t alt tho
fast hull
Usually after I got my 1st char to 80 the level of other jobs are quick to level 55
smoky kernel
It´s my main
twilit arch
It'd be the same character
scarlet sandal
everything and anything is done on a single charater
fast hull
like my first is BRD 80, 2nd is WHM, I just killed 1 beetle and I level up, around 25 minutes? I think I was level 15-20
viscid mirage
Hello! This is a gathering question but I feel like I'm missing something enormously obvious.
For Ishgard restoration crafts, I need items like skybuilder's dravanian spring water but these aren't listed in my gathering log. I think these have been moved to Diadem based on what I've read, but I can't find them anywhere. Am I missing something?
twilit arch
like you wouldn't be making a new character as rogue, you'd still be on the character you reached lvl 11 with
fast hull
also I had the ring thing equip that gives xp bonus for 1-30 levels
twilit arch
the phase 1 materials are no longer in-game
slate arrow
Make sure you're looking at the Phase 2 crafts
twilit arch
you want to gather the phase 3 stuff to craft phase 3 turn ins
open rivet
Is there even a reason for "On the Payroll VI" to exist or is this one of the achievements you only go for when you have done literally everything else in the game?
slate arrow
What samhain is saying
smoky kernel
to the changes
sinful mist
If you 11 lvls in the msq you won't be happy with your Lvl up because you can't do anything with it
scarlet sandal
in case i think you misunderstand you do not need alts in this game, job progress and everything is shared on a single charater
smoky kernel
I know that I can switch classes all the time, but some said it might be smart to either to hunting logs or start fresh on a rogue and follow main quest
viscid mirage
Ah thank you, it was under the wrong restoration stage so I was missing something obvious.
slate arrow
everything is unlocked per character
Nothing is account wide unless otherwise stated
smoky kernel
Well either way I won´t bother making a new char
slender sphinx
I just finished Heavensward ended at the cutscene of ||the giant robot coming out of the lake||
When will I be able to view the HW cinematic? Will it play automatically in game? Don't want to watch and be spoiled because im not caught up.
twilit arch
like its easier to just unlock rogue, use the hunting log to catch up to your msq (since it sounds like you only got to lvl 11 msq) which will probably be super quick
slate arrow
@slender sphinx the HW cinematic is on the main menu
scarlet sandal
ages ago
twilit arch
you could've watched it shortly after entering ishgard
slender sphinx
oh
sinful mist
Heavensward trailer you can watch when you start heavensward
twilit arch
since the main spoilers are for 2.55
slender sphinx
I assumed it'd play automatically like the ARR one
smoky kernel
How long does lvl 70-80 take?
slender sphinx
:/
slender sphinx
At the start
sinful mist
70 to 80 can be done in a few days of duty roulette dailys
slate arrow
anyways, for the most part you can watch the trailers when you're finished with the patch quests for the previous expansion
smoky kernel
I see
glossy flare
If you're asking because you're thinking about buying a skip
slate arrow
@smoky kernel depends on how hard you grind and what you use to grind
glossy flare
You still need to complete the story quests regardless
smoky kernel
If you think normally it takes around ....
slate arrow
If you use Bozja it only takes a few days to maybe a few hours depending on how long you grind for
twilit arch
yeah you're still going to have to do ShB story, even if you buy a skip
sinful mist
Yeah everything is gated behind msq.
fast hull
70-80, hmm well if you unlocked most of the dungeons and spam it then roughly around a week? (Like doing roulletes/frontlines/alliance raids) the challenge logs also helped. I leveled Sam from Monday to sunday 71-80 but I also have time to play
smoky kernel
From a week to few hours damn
slate arrow
the only dungeons which matter for leveling are the leveling dungeons
since the Roulettes are only once a day they're not very good for grinding
sinful mist
You really only need to do daily roulette to get it in a week. You get a Lvl per day easy with daily roulette
smoky kernel
Good to know
sinful mist
Frontline msq and leveling should be almost a Lvl I think
smoky kernel
I appreciate all the help btw <3
scarlet sandal
if your not in a rush to level just daily rouletes is a nice pace
smoky kernel
I guess I can just do the daily roulettes whenever I got little time
If not I can just add some grinding
fast hull
question if you buy the level skip do you skip the story as well?
scarlet sandal
no
hasty musk
that's a separate skip you have to buy
fast hull
Ah thanks for clarifying
soft sleet
is there a good crafting website where I can, say, check off all the armour pieces I want to craft and have it list all the ingredients I need to get + where to get them etc
twilit arch
you can make a crafting list on either garlandtools or teamcraft
sinful mist
Lvl grinding sucks tbh. I'd rather do just daily and then do beast quests or crafters or something lol
slate arrow
level grinding has never been easier fortunately
smoky kernel
What is retainer
slate arrow
!faq retainer
zinc orbitBOT
smoky kernel
I see
slate arrow
Do note you need to own the Starter Edition in order to hire retainers
willow dune
Q: How does the Duty Finder party formation work? Does it recruit players from the entire Data Centre?
slate arrow
@willow dune yes
willow dune
Oooh okay okay
slate arrow
@smoky kernel level is determined by retainer ventures, since they get experience upon returning
you gear them up like a player but you only have to worry about item level for Combat retainers and Gathering for gathering retainers
smoky kernel
But what is that private npc part, where they hold your stuff
That does sound pretty great, but yea
slate arrow
They're the bank system of the game
They hold anything and everything you give them for the most part
smoky kernel
Well that´s nice
scarlet sandal
you can have 2 but pay cash for more
smoky kernel
What are minions
slate arrow
cosmetic pets which do essentially nothing outside of one minigame in the gold saucer
smoky kernel
Is there cats :p
glossy flare
a few, yes
smoky kernel
Good
kind burrow
my friend has their account registered https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770223230346592306/770225565176561664/unknown.png but this keeps happening for some reason??
slate arrow
sign in to Mogstation and see what it says
It's likely if they unsubbed they might've pressed cancel service account instead of cancel subscription
little swift
are you sure they registered for a mogstation account
smoky kernel
Damn
slate arrow
#general-discussion unless you have a question
slate arrow
there's the fat chocobo which requires a few thousand Mentor Roulettes
twilit arch
parade chocobo is comms
glossy flare
Isn't the fat Chocobo just part of the ARR collectors edition?
smoky kernel
Is it hard to get?
glossy flare
you can just buy it
twilit arch
collector's edition can be upgraded on the mogstation for 20$, parade chocobo (which is fat chocobo with white barding/pope hat) requires a certain amount of comms which is basically just time consuming to get
smoky kernel
I keep getting redirected to login when trying to click upgrade
Is it cuz it´s steam profile?
And I can only upgrade from steam
glossy flare
yeah, if you bought from steam you're locked to steam forever
slate arrow
If you played the free trial on steam it's steam only yeah
smoky kernel
It doesn´t really matter right
glossy flare
no
plain python
have server down for hotfix yet?
smoky kernel
Only the sales and such will be different
slate arrow
yeah, and you don't even have to use steam for Mogstation related goods
It's only for buying the game and subsequent expansions
little swift
marketboard
or rng from retainer fisher ventures
neither of which are accessible on the free trial btw
little swift
its not a common item so its not particularly cheap
smoky kernel
So how much :p
little swift
!market light fat cat
zinc orbitBOT
304499 
x1 [Shiva]
313949 x1 [Odin]
314999 x1 [Odin]
315000 x1 [Odin]
315000 x1 [Zodiark]
315000 x1 [Zodiark]
320250 x1 [Shiva]
325498 x1 [Odin]
325498 x1 [Zodiark]
325500 x1 [Odin]
304499
313949
314999
315000
315000
315000
320250
325498
325498
325500
little swift
about 300k on light
smoky kernel
315k then
glossy flare
you can world visit if you want to save some gil
kind eagle
for e7s what is kururu strat ? anyone have vid for it
vital sedge
Is there a way to dye the Heaven on High weapon glams? Or the POTD ones?
jade quartz
No
vital sedge
Ah, can't upgrade them?
little swift
kururu strat seems to refer to how people group for the unjoined aspect birdies
smoky kernel
When you use level boost, does 0 of the main story quest get completed or only like a few
jade quartz
PotD Padjali weapons (white) upgrade to Kinna weapons (red, different model)
HoH weapons don't upgrade
none of these are dyeable
little swift
for e7s what is kururu strat ? anyone have vid for it
@kind eagle kururu strat is what NA and EU refer to is braindead strat as far as i can tell, and its mostly in how players position to deal with unjoined aspect + portals
all party members with the same colour stack on the same square on the northeast or north west side of the map, whatever was decided by the macro
smoky kernel
When you use level boost, does 0 of the main story quest get completed or only like a few
little swift
none of the msq gets completed
smoky kernel
I see
jade quartz
MSQ skip is a separate purchase
little swift
job skip =/= story skip
jade quartz
pay more money
kind eagle
so its just copy other player movement
smoky kernel
yea
little swift
yeah if you don't want to learn the mechanic and figure it out
kind eagle
thats a good strat
little swift
i figured out the mechanic
its not particularly difficult once you know there's only 2 permutations
gentle quarry
What's the best place to view armour pieces for glam purposes, since that xivstyle is now dead?
little swift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_EexlAdvRo
@kind eagle here's an example of how braindead works
smoky kernel
So it would get you to lvl 80?
leaden ginkgo
best gil farming metiod pls
twilit arch
https://www.ffxivcollection.com/ its in jp but links to lodestone @gentle quarry
leaden ginkgo
and something and then main story quest pls
gentle quarry
@twilit arch I can read some japanese, thanks for that. Kinda sad the other website died tho
elfin kelp
Should I keep my crafting materials when moving to Ishgard? Stuff like rosewood, cobalt, etc
little swift
nah if you don't need it right now
just sell it
its not like materials are impossible to reobtain
little swift
thats how it is
but each expansion comes with the need for new materials as well
you'll use both old and new
wintry chasm
You don't get the fantasia
little swift
and any glamour can be gotten from the calamity salvager
wintry chasm
And you won't get all the common quest rewards
little swift
unless its msq gear which is usually just crafted stuff
wintry chasm
But all the unique stuff yeah you can get back
leaden ginkgo
ok guys
smoky kernel
So yea, no exp, no money etc
wintry chasm
You get some Gil Kray
Put sure it's not as much as you would have gotten by doing the MSQ
little swift
well each one can be basically considered a full length rpg on its on
about 40-50 hours
ARR is on the long end at about 51?
smoky kernel
Damn
kind eagle
yep that vid i dont understand how sees the color
smoky kernel
I know, but I kinda just love mmo part, and not the most interested in the story sadly, I wish I was
kind eagle
red > red swap?
glossy flare
Well if you want to skipp stuff you can buy a story skip