#questions-and-help

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twilit arch
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any hit you take will give you heavy

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you're probably going to die

hasty musk
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oof, alright

outer plank
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would it be cheaper to go through the process of just buying the asthete set off the mb?
or craft it?

sharp meteor
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why do some MNKs at 80 run fists of fire?

proven pewter
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can you put a plant thing in the private room you can buy in your free company estate

outer plank
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@sharp meteor isnt it fist of fire until you can use gl4 then you switch to wind fist

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cause gl4 provides the same damage is gl3 if i remember

leaden ginkgo
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do u still need souls for each crafter or one soul now ?

plain python
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are Shire gear already augumented like Ironwork? Or I need to work on it?

whole wasp
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You can only have 3 crafter souls but you can swap which crafters every week

twilit arch
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yes all poetic gear is automatically augmented now

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3 specialists

whole wasp
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Thanks kael

manic schooner
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yes all poetic gear is automatically augmented now
@twilit arch wow thats convenient

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how about phantasmagoria gears?

elfin osprey
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which hw fates give memories of the dying? (bloo ones)

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like, which map

faint flare
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Tortured = Coerthas western highlands and sea of clouds.

Sorrowful = Dravanian forelands and churning mists.

Harrowing = Dravanian hinterlands and azys lla.

Fate drops are 100% for gold.

twilit arch
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phanta gear is not, no

elfin osprey
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ty

manic schooner
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ohh so u still need to go thru several stages of augmentation to max it out?

faint flare
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Just one

twilit arch
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yes, they only removed the augmentation process from poetic gear to stream line it

faint flare
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Get the upgrade item and trade

twilit arch
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since its old content

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phanta/allegory is still current

manic schooner
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i see

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so this upgrade item

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what currecny u need to buy it

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phantasmogoria itself too?

faint flare
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Manufacted coin from copied factory

twilit arch
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no, it comes from eden savage, copied factory, or hunts

drifting burrow
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hi how do i get a aetherpool weapon thinkies

manic schooner
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ohh i see.. i hope its easily obtainable likethe phntasmagoria..

faint flare
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You get it every run of copied factory

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And freely farmable

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Just get the ilvl for eden verse and get that gear

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Its better

manic schooner
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ok thanks

whole wasp
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You mean the padjali weapons ?

obsidian patio
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@drifting burrow complete floor 50 of POTD and you get the option to trade in your Aetherpool level for grips to exchange for them

drifting burrow
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thank you

obsidian patio
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Grips want 10/10 Aetherpool levels

merry finch
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where do I put my activation code

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I'm on free trial

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but I just got game online

manic schooner
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mog station

outer plank
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is there a way to fast search worlds for the cheapest items?

manic schooner
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TRANSFER TO FULL GAME option

leaden ginkgo
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Do you have to pay for ffonline after your free trial is up?

outer plank
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@leaden ginkgo free trial is unlimited

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so no

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it caps byou to 60

merry finch
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does activation code = registration code?

outer plank
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and you cant go past the first expansion

leaden ginkgo
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@outer plank thank you

outer plank
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also theres some other social features/trading thats restricted as well

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keep that in mind

elfin osprey
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from which bozjan fragments can I get potion of the irregular lost action?

outer plank
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read them over

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but its nothing to big

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stable hinge
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how do I turn off other peoples effects when in combat?

tribal apex
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What is raiding like? I’m coming from wow seeking some alternatives to play on the side.

rotund sable
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Unforgiving but not necessarily hard

outer plank
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@stable hinge system > character configuration > control settings > character > battle effect settings

show all - self
show none - party and others

rotund sable
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You have to be in the right place at the right time while moving in the right way to not lose uptime and butcher your dps

twilit arch
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strongly recommend to put party to limited, rather than none

tribal apex
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Is it like mechanical unforgiving or if you die Shit goes side ways

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Ah

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So like classic

twilit arch
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so you can still see friendly ground AoEs

rotund sable
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There's also often not the floor indications you're used to

whole wasp
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do not show party to none yea

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you wont be able to see healer's healing circle

outer plank
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i thought they automatically showed friendly floor indication

whole wasp
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nope

twilit arch
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none shows nothing

outer plank
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i could see earthly star with my party on show none

whole wasp
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not sure about earthly star but i know for sure

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asylum and Sacred Soil is invisible

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i was a tank wondering why i had the sacred soil buff while i couldn't see the sacred soil. made me realise i accidentally put party to none

twilit arch
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earthly star still shows (though it doesn't show the explosion)

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sacred soil and asylum are 100% not shown at all with none on

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kind of weird ES is an exception to this but either way its not beneficial to complete turn off party effects

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cos its not just healers who aren't going to like you, but ninjas as well if you're a tank and move trash outta doton

outer plank
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btw is there a quick and easy way to search the mb of each world?

whole wasp
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not really. you can try universalis

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but they are updated sporidaclly

ripe hound
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Yeah it's "relatively" good

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Can give you a rough estimate on the price of stuff

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Also use their "Average Price of Item Sold"

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I find it the most accurate

sharp meteor
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is it only melee that gain brotherhood that can give me chakra?

ripe hound
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On telling you the rough value of an item

crimson wind
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When's the best time to use ED?

remote lintel
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@sharp meteor any physical damage class

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essential dignity?

crimson wind
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yup

remote lintel
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whenever someone is low

crimson wind
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how low

little swift
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is it only melee that gain brotherhood that can give me chakra?
@sharp meteor no your entire party gains it

remote lintel
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half to less than half is when i use it

crimson wind
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like when does it get max potency

remote lintel
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it says when they execute weaponskill channy

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casters only have spells right?

crimson wind
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red mage

remote lintel
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@crimson wind at 1 hp iirc

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oh right

crimson wind
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That's dumb design

remote lintel
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thats only for melee phase tho

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it isnt

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its still fine even at not max pot

little swift
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your entire party gains brotherhood cerb

crimson wind
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that of which I am aware, but max pot should be 25%

spiral spruce
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Don't know if anybody can answer my question here. My PC crashed and deleted my files. I don't have a backup, I know I'm stupid, but do I have to purchase the game again? Or is there a way to just download it?

little swift
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but whether they open a chakra depends on if that have weaponskills

upper lake
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hey, so I just found out abt the go go posing rangers event thingy that happened. can it still be accessed or is it gone for good?

remote lintel
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yeah thats what the guy was asking i think

little swift
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so yes it would be melees/phys ranged that can proc chakras

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its a 2 part question

crimson wind
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brotherhood is just better reskinned embolden

remote lintel
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@spiral spruce you can download it again and be fine

little swift
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you're comparing a capstone to a non-capstone skill

crimson wind
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er, selfish-er embolden

remote lintel
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@upper lake the emotes are on mog station

little swift
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if it was worse we'd have a problem

stable hinge
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Thanks isiah12

crimson wind
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true, but you can't deny that they aren't similar

spiral spruce
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I haven't been able to find a link to just download the game. Everything I've found directs me to purchase the game again.

remote lintel
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just google ff14 download

crimson wind
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ff14 free trial rather

upper lake
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@upper lake the emotes are on mog station
@remote lintel just the emotes? What a pity, I really wanted the orchestration scrolls for their songs lol

remote lintel
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no he bought the game

upper lake
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Also the cutscenes seem so fun, looking back

little swift
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!faq freetrial

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little swift
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@spiral spruce try this link

remote lintel
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does the free trial launcher work for a full game?

crimson wind
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Also do I just use Celestial Inter on cd as long as people need heals

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Er, opposition

little swift
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it should register that he has a full license and move him should it not

crimson wind
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the blue one

little swift
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yah opp is fine to use for the regen

crimson wind
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well...a better question, should I use it for single target

little swift
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its a good regen

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why not

crimson wind
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k

little swift
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also snap collective

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for the regen

crimson wind
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doesn't stack with aspected bene right?

little swift
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no reason since they're ogcd

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they do

crimson wind
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oh nice

little swift
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you can have like 5 regens on your tank at once

crimson wind
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AST has been feeling kinda ehhhh

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at 55 rn

remote lintel
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you dont have sleeve draw yet

crimson wind
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Not my point, it's fun

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it just doesn't feel like a great healer yet

remote lintel
crimson wind
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especially in aoe heal situations

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also I can pop bubble between malefics right

remote lintel
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yes

crimson wind
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k

remote lintel
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also it had a bunch of aoes

crimson wind
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Yes but none off the gcd

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Yet

remote lintel
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use lightspeed

crimson wind
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

remote lintel
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also your next 3 skills are all aoes

crimson wind
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I don't like the AST leveling between 50 and 60

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it just doesn't feel it gains enough

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but, tbf, you get 3 skills at 50

remote lintel
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4

crimson wind
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?

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minor arcana, noct, div

remote lintel
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nocturnal, synastry, minor arcana, divination

crimson wind
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oh, synastry

spiral spruce
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@little swift It's downloading so I'll let you know if it works

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But I think it will

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I appreciate the help!

little swift
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yeah please do update me

spiral spruce
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I will let you know

little swift
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because i remember the free trial updating when i upgraded

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instead of redownloading

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so i thought that jimmying it that way would be an option

leaden ginkgo
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is the sharingan strategy better than ilya's for e8s?

crimson wind
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What's Earthly's total potency?

spiral spruce
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I had thought of that too but every time I went to do that, it kept saying my account wasn't eligible for a free trial. I also didn't want to just make another email to make an account to download the free trial launcher before asking around first

remote lintel
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720 for enhanced star for healing

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unless you mean dmg potency

crimson wind
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healing

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ty

raw solstice
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@leaden ginkgo it's not that it's necessarily better, it's that it's different. People end up being fussy on specific strats for LR. Ilya can incur a bit more downtime and puts more weight on execution for orb folks, but zero RNG or difficulty on chain people. Sharingan (along with various other strats) split the responsibility a bit more between chain and orb people

tacit atlas
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I just need to have the relic weapon quest active to get memories right?

raw solstice
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sharingan has potential for a bit more overall uptime, but really uptime is hardly the issue at this point in the raid tier. Dps check isn't a huge factor, it's more of a "don't die and make sure to push buttons" kind of thing

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so if a group is mostly used to ilya, I'd still recommend it over strats which might be "better" or "have more uptime"

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notable since most PF tend to go with ilya

crimson wind
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Was talking about this in Primal BA discord last night...NA DCs stick to strats at the beginning of the tier, and never change to better strats.

raw solstice
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like ilya isn't as horrible as some people make it out to be, at all. And it's significantly more than sufficient to clear the fight

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there are "better" strats but they might not be better for every group, basically

twilit arch
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yes @tacit atlas

leaden ginkgo
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so if a group is mostly used to ilya, I'd still recommend it over strats which might be "better" or "have more uptime"
@raw solstice it's a fresh prog, so I was wondering which strat we should pick first

raw solstice
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if it's fresh prog in a static, I would probably recommend sharingan over ilya. If it's fresh prog more in a pug environment on NA, I would recommend ilya

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if you find issues with sharingan in your group though, particularly with coordination on chain movement/positioning, consider ilya as an alternative

remote lintel
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did soken compose the pulse album

potent shale
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Oh um guys

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I need help

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I can't navigate my way around Dravania

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what the heck the map is giving me a headache

remote lintel
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which part

potent shale
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I need to get to Cavern of Mourn

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I keep scaling up, but could find the entrance

twilit arch
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go to the 2nd floor of anyx trine

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it has an exit with a bridge that leads into the cave

potent shale
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edfiysghfdjsxz

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THANK YOU

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I went up to the 3rd floor

remote lintel
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theres 2 bridges

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bottom one is the cave

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top one is to the top of the mountain

potent shale
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So that's why I couldn't get in

narrow blade
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can you break down armor you dont need or want?

remote lintel
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desynth

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need the right crafter to do it

narrow blade
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ahhh

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need someone to do it?

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cant just have it done somewhere

remote lintel
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no you do it yourself

narrow blade
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ah ok

remote lintel
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but a weaver can't desynth plate armor for example

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so you would need an armorer

narrow blade
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so what do I need?

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level up armorer?

remote lintel
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depends what the item is

narrow blade
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mostly armor and such

twilit arch
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still depends on the item itself

remote lintel
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is it leather armor? cloth armor? plate armor? jewelry?

narrow blade
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plate

twilit arch
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the crafter that can repair the item, can desynth it

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so if it the tooltip says "Repair level: Armorer lv #"

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then its armorer who desynths it

polar hound
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generally speaking, if you're gonna level 1 crafter, you're going to be advised to level all

remote lintel
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look at the bottom of the tooltip for which crafter repairs it

sharp meteor
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how many coins are u supposed to get from castrum?

narrow blade
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ah ok thanks

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started at level 1 today already level 25

quiet fossil
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Are you able to bring an Alliance into Bozja or is it locked to full parties?

spiral python
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@quiet fossil its locked to party

brittle latch
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is there an efficient way to farm for poetics at level 80? roulettes dont give much. and dungeons are kind of a drawl to me

polar hound
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!faq poetics

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spiral python
polar hound
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check the vid guide

brittle latch
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oh. i can see its a commonly asked question.

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thanks

twilit arch
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trader's cottage walls @spiral python

spiral python
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Oh thank you!

cyan fable
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Do you get bonus exp for joining a dungeon that someone has left and youre replacing his spot?

twilit arch
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no

polar hound
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Less rewards most likely unless you replace them at the very start as you'll miss out on other kills/exp by that time usually but still the bonus

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for daily

obsidian patio
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@sharp meteor slight variation in amount, maybe also part of how many people you save

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But from my two full clears I got 47 tokens, so 24-ish on average from my small sample size

halcyon grail
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As a Paladin, is my self heal intended to be a regular part of my rotation?

twilit arch
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no

little swift
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nope

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its not like the healing the other tanks can use

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where you can slot it in between gcds

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or as part of the main combo

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clemency is one of those very very last resort thigns

spiral spruce
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@little swift Thanks for the help! It worked just fine!

little swift
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or useful for soloing

halcyon grail
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Or for solo?

little swift
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oh pogianger glad it works

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yeah good for soloing for sure

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i'm referring to things like unsync EX solos

halcyon grail
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I think I prefer having recovery built in to the single target combo

plain python
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Blue mage use casting set?

leaden ginkgo
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What do people use to setup rich presence for ff14?

little swift
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yes blu uses casting

halcyon grail
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Is clemency a better recovery tool to make up for manual casting and interruption if combos?

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Of

faint flare
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No, you never actively use it

little swift
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not really, equilbrium is an equivalent potency heal

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thats ogcd

faint flare
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You only use it if the healer is a giant monkey

little swift
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clemency isn't really worth the loss of your gcd combo

faint flare
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Paladins rotation is pretty strict

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So wasting gcds hurts alot

halcyon grail
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I mean like in solo quests, instanced

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Instances

faint flare
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You don't even need it in solo quests and stuff

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You only actively use it when soloing extremes

halcyon grail
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I get chipped down a bit more then than my other tanks

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Than

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Fucking autocorrect

little swift
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make good use of sheltron

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your npc allies will usually top you off

halcyon grail
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I am, when it’s up

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Just noticed my PLD gets through level even encounters at 90 percent, whereas my drk or gnb will finish topped off

little swift
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thats just a natural sustain from main combo offsetting your perceived loss of hp

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you probably passively mitigated more damage as a paladin

spare plinth
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I reached level 70, to get the next skills do I have to complete sb story up to 4.5?

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And unlock shb story?

little swift
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nope

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you can continue to level for your abilities

spare plinth
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Weird

little swift
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no more job quests

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but role quests are a thing once you hit shb

spare plinth
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But I heard I have to unlock shb story to get 70+ skills

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So as blm I can be in the middle of stormblood but have access to despair and umbral soul?

twilit arch
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no, 70+ skills are not locked behind quests

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You just need to be the appropriate level

little swift
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you'll have access to it in overworld stuff

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but not inside instances

spare plinth
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Ooh

little swift
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because you're synced to 70

halcyon grail
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Right, I’m just trying to compare how effective auto hp is versus a spell that needs to be cast

spare plinth
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Yea

little swift
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the answer is you're using that GCD on not damage

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kill the thing faster

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and you won't need as much hp to be recovered

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the amount of hp restored via the main combo is significant but isn't as much as you think it is

halcyon grail
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You mentioned it was handy for solo on unsync ex trials?

little swift
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yes it would be

faint flare
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Cause you really need that healing

ripe hound
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I think PLD is pretty much the strongest Solo class?

little swift
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since you have no way of recovering your HP otherwise

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so you would have to be smart about planning out when to use it

halcyon grail
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Would other tanks be as capable in that context?

ripe hound
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I mean PLD have access to a lot of self heal

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Other thanks are more just do damage (GNB), tank damage (DRK), or have a lot of health

little swift
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warrior is pretty decent at soloing things as well

ripe hound
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I have to admit I don't really know what WAR does

little swift
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the other big bonus for paladin is you have access to hallowed ground

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which can help you straight up ignore a lot of mechanics

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simply by not taking the damage

ripe hound
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Oh yeah, and as GNB you have access to shoot yourself, which will end your life when it ends

open coral
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WAR is the rage tank. Their gimmick (at higher levels, in particular) is that they can convert damage dealt into self-healing.

little swift
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it doesn't end your life when it ends

lone spruce
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Does the game go into Haurchefant's backstory or am I gonna need to look at like a wiki for the details?

ripe hound
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Shoot yourself is barely different from Hallowed in usual contents, but yeah, when soloing it becomes a problem

little swift
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because you can heal at any point in its duration

ripe hound
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Yeah, I mean when soloing

little swift
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but your tools for self healing a little limited

ripe hound
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Yeah

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I think the only one is a combo action

little swift
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you get like 3 ticks of aurora and maybe 2 hits of your main combo

ripe hound
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Hey if you only do a 1-2 combo you can get 3 hits!

manic schooner
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guys is there a way to access Idyllshire as soon as you get access to Ishgard?
My bag's full of poetics already and I badly need to spend these on lvl 60 gears soon

ripe hound
open coral
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You cannot access Idyllshire until you reach that point in the MSQ

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Which is around level 56

little swift
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58*

ripe hound
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You just can't enter it?

little swift
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no

open coral
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You cannot, no

little swift
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you can't

ripe hound
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I see

manic schooner
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omg thats still too far.. i dont wanna skip all MSQ just to rush spending my poetics

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is it worth it tho?

ripe hound
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Also any tips on how to get in Bozjan Castrum?

manic schooner
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im already lvl60

ripe hound
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No

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Just use poetics for alt class gearing

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If no alt class just sell poetics

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Which server are you on?

halcyon grail
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You can always buy some thavnarian ash for later if your worried about wasted poetics

manic schooner
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ohh u can sell them? how mch gil each?

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tonberrry

ripe hound
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one sec

remote lintel
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you use them to buy mats to sell

open coral
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@ripe hound Be R10 or higher, be in the instance when it pops, and make sure you've spent 5 clusters on priority deployment.

halcyon grail
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Scale powder rather

faint flare
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As if you nees to spend clusters on entering CLL

ripe hound
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Oh!

manic schooner
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i see, any tips wc matts i shud by my 2000 poetics with?

ripe hound
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Priority Deployment!

faint flare
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Its like never full

little swift
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you can't buy thavnairian scale powder until you hit 80 and unlock the relic

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the 80 relic

halcyon grail
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Oh

ripe hound
open coral
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Depends on the instance. I did it tonight in an instance with like 52 people registered for it.

little swift
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almost everything in the special arms section of hte poetics bar won't be able to do appear until you reach a specific point in the relics they're involved with

ripe hound
faint flare
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I haven't seen more than like 36 people que on light

ripe hound
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I think you can buy this in Mor Dohna

manic schooner
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intersting, ok ill check it our rn

ripe hound
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Yeah remember to manually check the price again

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Also you aren't free trail right?

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If you free trail you can't sell on MB

manic schooner
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yep i already bougth compelte edition

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manually check in MB?

ripe hound
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Nice

open coral
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I don't know about on EU servers, but on NA there are a ton of Discords organizing multi-group CLL runs. They'll take the time to get all of their groups into the same instance, which can push out individual players queueing.

ripe hound
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Yeah just go on Market Board and search Scarlet Urushi

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Because the price this app generates isn't accurate

faint flare
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Every data centre has some discord groups doing it, a handful are pinned in eureka explorers

ripe hound
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@manic schooner Also try Thavnairian Adhesive, Thavnairian Resin, and Thavnairian Cotton

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But that's about all your ways to sell Poetics

bronze narwhal
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how long does it take to level blue mage to cap?

open coral
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Depends on whether you're doing it solo or with a friend.

faint flare
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With friends, few hours

manic schooner
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ok cant seem to find that scarley urushi among these poetics vendors

bronze narwhal
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few hours wow thats fast

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if solo?

open coral
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With a friend, maybe a couple of hours with the tag system.

ripe hound
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Is there a system sound when CEs and Castrum pop in Bozjan?

open coral
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Solo, probably about 3 or 4 times longer?

ripe hound
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Yeah weird, Liberi give me one sec

open coral
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Since you have to stick to mobs in your general level range instead of going straight out to Azys Lla

bronze narwhal
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hmm I see

ripe hound
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@manic schooner Should be from Enna at... oh fuck me

manic schooner
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ohh Rhalgrs dont think i have access to that yet hahaha

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its ok

open coral
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Rhalgar's is SB

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So if you're still in HW, then you don't

manic schooner
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@manic schooner Also try Thavnairian Adhesive, Thavnairian Resin, and Thavnairian Cotton
@ripe hound how about these tho? are they purchaesable in revenants toll?

ripe hound
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Ouch why are all the good selling mats sold in SB

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Yeah they are all sold in SB, lv 70

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fuck me

remote lintel
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!faq poetics

zinc orbitBOT
remote lintel
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just check that

manic schooner
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Ohhhh i seee.. looks like nothing else to spend my poetics after all

open coral
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I was just about to hit that

manic schooner
#

no choice but to rush MSQ now

dark gust
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i didnt log in for month since i bought the subscribed but it says the timeline is up do i have to subscribed again just for that?

remote lintel
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im lightning fingers

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@manic schooner check the first link

open coral
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Yes. Sub duration is real-time, not played time. @dark gust

ripe hound
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Ok

little swift
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@manic schooner check the special arms section and grab unidentifiable ore and trade that in for grade 3 thanalan top soil

ripe hound
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Yeah I guess there just really isn't any good mats sold at Mor Dohna

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But still, I don't recommend rushing MSQ,

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Oh yeah, soil works!

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Soil sells a lot!

little swift
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you can hold on to the ore until you can trade it in to bertana in idyllshire

open coral
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I mean, you can take your time with the MSQ. Just don't queue for content that gives poetics if you don't want to overcap.

little swift
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if you're not far enough in msq

open coral
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And don't want to buy any of the things you can currently purchase with them.

manic schooner
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ohhh goo idea

little swift
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you can buy the ores iirc without being in idyllshire yet

manic schooner
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ill just hold on to the ores for now

open coral
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Yeah, but you can hold onto the ores/shells.

manic schooner
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lemme check

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looks like 10's the limit tho hahha

ripe hound
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I think you can hold on to as much as you want?

faint flare
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Yeah

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You just lack poetics

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For more

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You can only hold 2k

manic schooner
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Ohh ur right lol

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thanks guys

remote lintel
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i wouldnt spend all poetics if youre just about to get to idyllshire

manic schooner
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ill go check the priec of top soil in MB

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i wouldnt spend all poetics if youre just about to get to idyllshire
@remote lintel just started in HW, shud be pretty far

ripe hound
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Oh my this shit sells good

remote lintel
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oh then yeah

manic schooner
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just entered ishgard rn

ripe hound
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4000 gil per soil!

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For my server lol

open coral
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Got like, 15-20 hours of gameplay before getting to Idyllshire.

ripe hound
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Yeah

manic schooner
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wow is 4k large enough?

open coral
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4k isn't bad

ripe hound
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Not really lol

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But yeah, money is money

manic schooner
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Got like, 15-20 hours of gameplay before getting to Idyllshire.
@open coral wtf rly? damn hahaha quite unexpected

little swift
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think of each expac as a full length jrpg experience

ripe hound
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Yeah, also HW story is good, so you should consider going slow

little swift
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so each one would be about 30-40 hours easily

open coral
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Each expansion is ~30 hours of gameplay just for the X.0 content, then another 20 or so for the X.1-X.5

little swift
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ARR at top speed without skipping cutscenes was 52 hours

open coral
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ARR is a minor exception because it covers a lot more ground.

ripe hound
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Yeah ARR is more like the base game

manic schooner
little swift
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check partial match

ripe hound
#

Grade 3 Thanalan Topsoil

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open coral
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Always hit that partial match button

little swift
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also type topsoil

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and its fine

manic schooner
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also this item simply allows cross-pollination? how important is planting in this game? is its sole purpose to give like buffs?

faint flare
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Its to get new types of seeds you cant get elsewhere

little swift
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nah gardening for growing things that you can't really get elsewhere

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not really buffing

manic schooner
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ohhh

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so its purely for aesthetics

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?

little swift
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but it does help people make some rare minions and mounts

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also for levleing your chocobo

manic schooner
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ohhh plants can make mounts. interesting

faint flare
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A few

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The magick bed and chair

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For one

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Also access to plants for furniture

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Like the Carbuncle stuff

manic schooner
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alright thanks guys, since im like 30 hrs away from idyll shire, I'll spend all my poetics for Unindentified Ores each time moving forwads.

open coral
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The topsoil is an important component in growing Thavnarian Onions.

manic schooner
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ohh interesting, i heard thats for levling choco's beyond 10

open coral
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Yep.

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They're ridiculous to grow because they take about 15 steps to get them, only produce one fruit, and don't reseed.

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But if you want a rank 20 chocobo, you need them.

dry flame
#

does anyone have a comprehensible list of the gatherer relic upgrade mat locations this patch

serene bison
#

Are there more merchants like the " Calamity Salvager" ?

manic schooner
#

is it just me or there seems to be more and more voice-acting in cutscenes starting HW?

karmic veldt
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Well, yes.

serene bison
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there are? nice!

manic schooner
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awesome, so it gets even better in SB?

karmic veldt
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To both questions, yes.

serene bison
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Oh where can I find them?

karmic veldt
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There's a Calamity Salvager in each of the ARR city-states.

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Ul'dah's is near the Milvaneth Sacrarium on the Steps of Thal.

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Limsa's is near Naldiq's & Vymelli's on the Upper Decks.

serene bison
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Oh no no I meant with having different items

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Or are they city specific items?

karmic veldt
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Oh. No, the purpose of a Calamity Salvager is to give you access to item redemptions.

serene bison
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I'm just looking for more and more items to add to my collection

manic schooner
#

what an epic intro. May I ask what exactly is "Heavensward" Is it an object, a person, a concept, etc?

karmic veldt
#

The word "Heavensward" means "towards the heavens."

serene bison
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Dang I need more items to add for my Glamour collection

manic flare
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It's also the name of an organization that has an important role in the plot

serene bison
#

also what's a good way to farm wolf marks

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to 20k

karmic veldt
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It's not.

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But I was also going to try to

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Not spoil that.

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But yes they do make reference to the word "heavensward" in the form of the Heavens' Ward, the bodyugards of Ishgard's leader.

manic schooner
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Oh interestin.. thanks!

karmic veldt
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Overall the names of the expansion and patches will kind of guide the general themes and imagery of the expansion's content.

little swift
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also what's a good way to farm wolf marks
@serene bison do your daily frontline challenge, thats at least 1.5k a day

karmic veldt
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Heavensward's name is relevant in how you obtain flying, visit floating islands, and deal with a war between man and dragon with a heavily religious bent.

little swift
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rommy they just saw the title card

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slow down a tad haha

karmic veldt
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Mneh.

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They already know about the war.

manic schooner
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interesting

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love the BGM on ishgard

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sounds dramatically melancholic

karmic veldt
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It's a very solid track.

manic schooner
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it feels like a completlely different game from ARR

karmic veldt
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Do you play with English voices? Because the cast changes after ARR.

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So that might also help create that feeling.

manic schooner
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similar to the usual trend of FF's, it seems that you can read the story of each expansion independently from each other without worrying of not understanding the plot if you missed the previous expanso

karmic veldt
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Well, no.

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Not at all, actually.

manic schooner
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Do you play with English voices? Because the cast changes after ARR.
@karmic veldt yep i do EN al the time

karmic veldt
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If you miss an expansion's story, any expansion's story, you will absolutely lose the plot.

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Both in big and small ways.

manic schooner
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i see.. interesting

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TBH this the only MMO that I read the full story

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all the other im just in it for the gameplay lol

karmic veldt
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Totally understandable.

manic schooner
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like in WoW no idea whatre the happenings there

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i just do dailies, raids and pvp hahaah

karmic veldt
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WoW is... what it is. I could give a full account on it, but like

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It's not like the story is ever really going to be that interesting as a plot.

manic schooner
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yea, SQEX is really in a whole different level when telling stories

karmic veldt
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Honestly, with WoW, it's easier to just answer general questions to what a person likes in WoW.

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Rather than explain its hot mess lore in full.

remote lintel
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if you're interested in music, the bgm of ishgard is taken from the HW main theme and is a leitmotif

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meaning the melody pops up multiple times in different songs

karmic veldt
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Oh, Liberi, have you watched the Heavensward cinematic?

bronze narwhal
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for bitter memory, can you do 60 dungeons unsynced?

remote lintel
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oh yes

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watch the HW trailer

karmic veldt
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If you have a moment, I'd recommend logging out and, from the title screen, you can choose the Heavensward title and movie.

manic schooner
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meaning the melody pops up multiple times in different songs
@remote lintel interesting...

remote lintel
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or just watch it on youtube

manic schooner
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Oh, Liberi, have you watched the Heavensward cinematic?
@karmic veldt i havent

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only ARR cuz its in the intro to the game

manic schooner
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awesome thanks

karmic veldt
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I prefer the title screen way since it gives you the title screen.

remote lintel
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true

karmic veldt
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Yeah, the music direction changes a bit from HW onward, too.

manic schooner
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but it begs me to ask... why arent the trailers for HW/SB/SB not in-game? one can only view it externally --- unlike ARR trailer wc is built into the game

little swift
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for bitter memory, can you do 60 dungeons unsynced?
@bronze narwhal no

remote lintel
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the ARR trailer in the game is the cut one i think?

karmic veldt
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All of them are built into the game.

bronze narwhal
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damn I knew it

manic schooner
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really? how do i view the HW then?

bronze narwhal
#

anyway thank you

remote lintel
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from the title screen

manic schooner
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never scene any cinematics when i entered ishgard

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ohhhh

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ok let me go back to title screen real quick

karmic veldt
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Mhm, you can also choose between movies and title screens you like from there.

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Though it resets to whatever is the most recent expansion you have unlocked if you exit the game fully.

remote lintel
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you really gotta get the whole intro to HW experience

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marinate in it

bronze narwhal
#

another question, when I trade my current relic, does the materia carryover to the ilv500 one? or I need to take them all of which hopefully wont get destroyed

manic schooner
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hahaha i definitely will thanks!

twilit arch
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you need to take materia out before exchanging your relic in

bronze narwhal
#

I see thank you

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another money then

bleak lake
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Is there any reason to buy Shadowbringer as a new player? I mean that extra content that expansion bring is at max level anyway or?

karmic veldt
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I wouldn't recommend it as a new player.

twilit arch
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unless you wanna start as viera or hrothgar, not much reason to buy it immediately

karmic veldt
#

Correct.

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Beyond the new races, even the smallest amount of Shadowbringers content requires at least level 60.

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Since Gunbreaker and Dancer both start at that level.

bleak lake
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Gunbreaker? is that a new class or what? Sounds interesting

remote lintel
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a class

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uses a gunblade

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its a tank

bleak lake
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oh okok

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and Dancer? is dps?

remote lintel
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yes, ranged dps

twilit arch
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yep

bleak lake
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oh okok.. and the new races are they cool? 😛

remote lintel
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you got a buff cat man and a bunny girl

karmic veldt
remote lintel
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you can see them on the character create screen

karmic veldt
#

I really wish Google Images wouldn't offer images with fake transparency.

remote lintel
#

lol the fake transparent image

karmic veldt
remote lintel
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that gunblade does not look that big in game

leaden ginkgo
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I really wish Google Images wouldn't offer images with fake transparency.
Those pictures aren't always fake, the transparency just isn't in the preview. You have to download them via their website to get the real transparent version.

karmic veldt
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Ahhh.

remote lintel
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TIL

bleak lake
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cool thx

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Is Gunbreaker a good tank?

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How can you tank with a gun? 😛

drifting burrow
#

would i be able to just buy doman plums and valfruit from marketboard to feed to my chocobo rather than planting them myself? i'm just required to plant the other fruit myself right

little swift
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all tanks are fine

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yes you can just buy them

drifting burrow
#

can i buy all of the fruits required?

latent pumice
#

Hi, I've been playing the free trial and thinking about diving in the subs. But don't know which to buy.

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Shadowblood expansion?

drifting burrow
#

i highly recommend getting the shadowbringers

latent pumice
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Or do I have to get the complete edition

drifting burrow
#

shadowbringers is the complete edition thinkies

latent pumice
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It says I need the aar

little swift
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shadowbringers is not the complete edition

drifting burrow
little swift
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shadowbringers is the latest expansion

drifting burrow
#

my bad

little swift
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complete is shadowbringers and the base game ARR together

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you can just buy the starter edition

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and it will be enough if you haven't finished heavensward (the second expansion)

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but you can buy complete if you want to not be capped at lv60

latent pumice
#

So might as well buy complete

fair mango
#

how do you farm clusters? just killing mobs?

little swift
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and yes if the fruits are being sold you can buy them all kate

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yes farm mobs as a group will make things easier

manic schooner
#

wow what an epic cinematic from HW. tempted to watch the the rest but ill hold for now

latent pumice
#

Thanks guys I understand now

manic schooner
#

in ur guys opinion wc xpac tells the best story among HW/SB/SB?

little swift
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SHB > HW > SB > ARR would be the most common consensus

manic schooner
#

really? wow i rly thought SB comes in at least 2nd

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interesting order

plain python
#

I heard Doma part in SB is better than other part

fair mango
#

SB is pretty eh

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imo

plain python
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Doma part is written by the one who write HW and SH? 🤔

little swift
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yes natsuko ishikawa is the writer for the azim steppe portion of SB as well as SHB

fair mango
#

wow

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guess he wasnt feelin it that year

left relic
#

need someone to play with im pretty new at XIV

manic schooner
#

the Novice Network shud be able to help u a ton like me

left relic
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@manic schooner thanks! i was just getting bored playing alone and wanted to meet new people. i will look into it thanks

little swift
#

natsuko ishikawa is a lady

potent lava
#

so in guides ive seen they usually list a priority meld list Piety>yadda>yaddayadda
Does this mean i should meld all of my gear with that stat, or leave some off for the second tier
or is this list taking in account higher tier materia that might be rarer to come by

raw solstice
#

it's nothing to do with rarity of materia

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it's more the fact that, given the content you're running and how much MP you might need/want, you might want more or less piety

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so it ends up being a sort of to comfort/requirement stat, before you worry about investing into other secondary stats

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plain python
#

you can no longer join novive network if you're not sprout?

outer plank
raw solstice
#

you can join novice network if you're a sprout, if you have returner status (have a while unsubbed from the game then come back to it), or become a mentor yourself

#

yeah, seems like you can't get those mats HQ

elder matrix
#

Hey guys..is there a fast way to finish labyrinth of the ancients? Like unsynct trials with a lvl 80 for examble? Im bard lvl 57

plain python
#

I have a blue icon next to my name. what is it?

robust crow
#

what does the icon look like?

ripe hound
#

No just do it normally

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Labyrinth of the ancients is super populated

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We do it everyday as dailies

plain python
robust crow
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means you are currently in a queue

elder matrix
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@ripe hound okay that surprises me a little..trying for the last 3 days to get in as DD..waiting almost 60 min yesterday at the maintime of datacenter

bleak lake
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ok doing the learn - your - class- training.. and during the training I cant use the AOE heal lol 😛

ripe hound
#

WTF?

#

labyrinth of the ancients?

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That's weird

elder matrix
#

@ripe hound yeah..the first raid

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Crystal tower right?

ripe hound
#

Probably because different datacenter

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But still, it shouldn't be that bad

gloomy ice
#

That is rather unusual as it very frequently pops rather quickly in most data centers.

ripe hound
#

And now it's like 3am EST

elder matrix
#

Yeah im on lich..but yesterday i had to wait in the server queue and than after 60 min in the raid queue i gave up

ripe hound
#

Yeah sounds weird as hell

gloomy ice
#

In the Duty Finder click the little gear on the top left and turn on all four language settings. Might help with queue times.

ripe hound
#

Oh

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Right, EU language things

sour ruin
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Ahhhh that makes sense

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French probably has the lowest amount of players

ripe hound
#

Oh and if it don't work, turn everything off but keep english on

elder matrix
#

@gloomy ice nooo i drawed the request cause i thought its only set on German...it wasnt..30 min for nothing xD

ripe hound
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lol

elder matrix
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It says 12 min..but it always raises

ripe hound
#

Is there anyway to add an offline player as friend?

gloomy ice
#

Unfortunately not. They have to be online to receive and respond to the request.

ripe hound
#

But yeah, your situation is really weird. Because there are a lot of people who do 24man as dailies

elder matrix
#

Yeah i will try on afternoon MEZ..on sunday i should be fine i hope🤷🏼‍♂️

ripe hound
#

kk good luck

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Just remember to try both language settings

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Either all language on or only English on

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I heard rumors that sometimes people queue faster with only English selected

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It was rumors I heard like 4 years ago though

bronze narwhal
#

hmm another question, Antitower is currently the fastest one for farming bitter memory, no?

manic schooner
#

hey guys is this an invisible weapon? i tried it on to see how it looks but i see nothing...

robust crow
#

that's not a weapon

twilit arch
#

its not a weapon, its a head piece

robust crow
#

that's a hat

ripe hound
#

Also ye Antitower is super fast

manic schooner
#

the heck im so sorry, it s shape made me assume its a weapon lol

bronze narwhal
#

aight thank you

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hows the exp? I might as well want to level my 60s
But I heard 'content cap' dungeon gives you less exp than, for example 59 one

ripe hound
#

Not good but better than nothing

whole wasp
#

Thats correct

ripe hound
#

If you are leveling classes around lv 60 with HW fates anyway, you might as well just use them and practice some dungeon runs

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Also DPS queues were quite fast for me for some reason

manic schooner
#

guys may i ask when can i start dyeing and adding cosmetics to my chocobo?

ripe hound
#

I think when you have an FC?

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Or do you just need a Stable?

manic schooner
#

yes i do have an FC

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Stable i dont think so..

robust crow
#

go to your fc house

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an apartment would work too

#

you can already add barding to your chocobo

#

it's just dyeing your chocobo that requires a stable

ripe hound
#

Yeah check out your FC house

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Usually they have a Stable

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Then PLAN

whole wasp
#

If you have 300k to spare,you can also just buy an apartment.

ripe hound
#

Decide your color, then feed it the correct food in the correct order

whole wasp
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Apartments have chocobo stables

manic schooner
#

ohhh ok thanks!

twilit arch
#

do note that dyeing is not an exact science

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so even with the calculator you may not get the colour you want the first time

ripe hound
#

Oh yeah also maybe order doesn't matter?

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No idea lol

whole wasp
#

Pure white and pure black can be tricky to get. The order colors are easier

twilit arch
#

the order does matter to a degree

#

because you dont want to accidentally add too much of one colour

ripe hound
#

I see

whole wasp
#

You are manipulatinh RGB colors basically. If your values hit 255 or 0. There may be unexpected results

ripe hound
#

After reaching Rank 10 and completing Castrum and all subsequent quests. I'm basically done with Bozjan right?

obsidian patio
#

In terms of quests, yes.

ripe hound
#

Other than the grind and farm, grind and farm part

obsidian patio
#

You can still run Castrum more for fragments to sell, the 3 zones for memories and clusters

#

And the armor for use/glamour

ripe hound
#

And Glamour Coins

manic schooner
#

guys i cant seem to fly in the new map west of Ishgard -- is this a bug?

brave ravine
#

you have to earn it

manic schooner
#

oh.. how?

obsidian patio
#

!faq flying

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'How can I unlock Flying?'

Flying is unlocked through the collecting of a zone's Aether Currents, with every zone having ten 'green' Aether Currents found in the overworld and five 'yellow' Aether Currents obtained through the MSQ and side quests marked with a plus sign. Azys Lla is the only zone to not have any green Aether Currents. You must collect all Aether Currents in a zone to be able to fly.

Flying is unlocked in A Realm Reborn zones simply by completing the level 50 story quest 'The Ultimate Weapon'.

'Where can I find the green Aether Currents?'

Upon obtaining the Black Chocobo mount you are also given an Aether Compass, which is a key item you can use to locate the nearest non-quest Aether Current. This can be set to your Hotbar for ease of use. Alternatively, you can use this website to show the location of all Aether Currents for a zone. http://heavenswhere.com/

brave ravine
#

progress through MSQ until you learn about aether currents

obsidian patio
#

You can start earning aether currents after your trial by combat

manic schooner
#

ohhh interesting, ok thanks

kind eagle
#

How do u add this to weapon

brave ravine
#

talk to NPC called materia melder near auction houses

obsidian patio
#

They’re marked on the map with a blue materia icon

kind eagle
#

any guide on what to put for certain class

jade quartz
#

Yep, job resources channels in the Balance have both full BiS sets and general meld-priority tips

#

!faq balance

zinc orbitBOT
jade quartz
#

Note that you needn't worry about this until you're level 80

#

and attempting extreme or savage content

kind eagle
#

ye im lv80

obsidian patio
#

The general stat priority for a majority of classes is crit > Determination or Direct Hit

jade quartz
#

What's your job?

kind eagle
#

practicing e6s rn

#

sam

jade quartz
#

SAM meld priority is SkS until desired GCD tier > Direct Hit = Crit > Determination

#

The desirable GCD tiers for samurai skill speed are either 2.15 (two "filler" GCDs in the 60-second loop)
2.07 (three filler GCDs)
or 2.00 (four filler GCDs)

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Personal preference/comfort with which of those speeds you go for.

kind eagle
#

what is gcd

manic schooner
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guys is there a penalty when u choose very easy?

The final samurai job quest @ lvl 60 is just way too hard. i die wil musosai's at like 90% hp lol

karmic niche
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you need proper gear

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to do samurai job quest

manic schooner
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yes im on pure ironworks set, ilvl 115

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130*

twilit arch
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no, there's no penalty for choosing easy or very easy

karmic niche
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so you need a lvl 60 gear

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yoou need 270

kind eagle
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this my total rn

manic schooner
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i seee.. damn

twilit arch
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also ironworks is pretty undergeared for that fight

manic schooner
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alright ill try very easy first. if it doesnt work ill gear up

kind eagle
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with yohra and some e5s ring

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but no extra material

obsidian patio
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@kind eagle GCD is the speed of your main actions

karmic niche
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samurai job quest and ShB class quest need to have the same gear as your level

obsidian patio
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Like your combos

manic schooner
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woah it says the "Echo" grant my str beyond limits?

karmic niche
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yep

obsidian patio
karmic niche
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Echo is a buff that give you extra stats (hp and damage)

jade quartz
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GCD = global cooldown.

kind eagle
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@obsidian patio

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for e5s i usually start with meikyo

jade quartz
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All your weaponskills share one global cooldown (recast time)

kind eagle
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then shoten and senei

obsidian patio
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!faq samrotation

zinc orbitBOT
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Samurai Rotation Guide
obsidian patio
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Higanbana first is your general go-to opener/rotation for most fights

kind eagle
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i open with meikyo and burst with midare then go higan

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kinda hard to remember everything from that pic

jade quartz
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Learn and use the openers shown in the image.

kind eagle
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there is 2 opener?

jade quartz
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Freestyling your own opener isn't really acceptable or viable in content with other players.

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Like it says in the image and like Wynne said, Higanbana is the usual opener.

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Midare first is something you can learn later if you want to minmax optimisation for certain fights

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But all you need to learn for now is the Higanbana first opener.

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The openers that have been devised by the raid theorycrafting community are significantly mathematically superior.

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No excuse for not knowing your job's standard opener in any content that's extreme or above

remote lintel
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you use higanbana before you use midare

jade quartz
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or even in casual content to be perfectly honest

remote lintel
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also that opener is short and easy in terms of dps openers

jade quartz
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It is to be honest

kind eagle
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oh

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what is filler

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so opener then rotation then burst?

remote lintel
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opener > cooldown > filler > burst

obsidian patio
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Filler is done after cool down to make sure you Gaeshi doesn’t drift out of your rotation’s natural spot

kind eagle
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yall can remember all that

obsidian patio
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The exact filler you use depending on what your GCD is with Shifu up

jade quartz
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Repetition builds memory, and muscle memory

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Refer to the full guide:

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!faq samguide

zinc orbitBOT
remote lintel
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thats part of a dps's job

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memorizing an entire rotation

twilit arch
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its part of any job tbh

kind eagle
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What is the red pot?

twilit arch
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str potion

remote lintel
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except healers maybe

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the potion is for raiding

twilit arch
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even healers to a degree

jade quartz
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the top one is fine for now.

kind eagle
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yall bring potion along?

remote lintel
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to raids yes

jade quartz
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The potion is optional

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potions aren't used in most pulls

remote lintel
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if you're progging savage

jade quartz
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they are used during progression when you're pushing a certain phase or enrage

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and they're used during speed clears and parse runs

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but they're honestly not something you need to worry about when you're just starting endgame

kind eagle
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i think i beat e5s with bad dps i think

leaden ginkgo
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how can I gather/farm high amounts of koshu sticky rice?

remote lintel
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use the quick synthesis for gatherers

leaden ginkgo
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I checked garland tools and it seems I can only buy it from NPC

jade quartz
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that's correct

remote lintel
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oh yeah

obsidian patio
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Only source for them

kind eagle
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so i just copy everything

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and ignore the potion

remote lintel
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yes

jade quartz
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yep

leaden ginkgo
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man, then this gotta be the most expensive collectable

kind eagle
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is all this good for now

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augmented crystarium blade and some yohra

remote lintel
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for freshly starting out sure

jade quartz
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that's fine for now, you'll upgrade further over time

remote lintel
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you should be capping tomes weekly and buying crystarium bis

leaden ginkgo
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would you recommend a CUL collectable to farm scrip at level 70?

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or should I just give up and use another job to farm scrips?

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I'm trying to avoid purchaseable/NPC items, I don't want to destroy my wallet

kind eagle
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I have this much for now

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dk when to use it

jade quartz
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get 150 more

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use it now

kind eagle
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armor first?

jade quartz
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buy your chest and legs

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well actually

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might wanna upgrade your current lowest-ilvl pieces first.

remote lintel
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check your bis

kind eagle
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i checked

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i have 3 edenchoir ring

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and i need 2 more crystarium ring

remote lintel
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chest and legs usually give more stats

tidal yarrow
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you need a minimum amount of fc members to get a plot right?

twilit arch
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4 ppl, yes

tidal yarrow
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if someone leaves after you get the plot

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it doesn't magically disappear right?

jade quartz
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nah

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once you've got the plot you've got the plot.

tidal yarrow
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makes sense

atomic vault
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Morning all. Does anyone know what mob to kill in Diadem to get Grade 3 Skybuilders' Rock Salt please?

kind eagle
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so i get a chest and 1 ring

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i wont have enough for leg

rigid narwhal
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it's a lvl 10 mining thing

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not a drop

kind eagle
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shld i just save up and get chest and leg

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or 1 chest 1 leg

twilit arch
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!faq diademmap

zinc orbitBOT
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Gatherer's map of the Diadem
twilit arch
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@atomic vault given that the mobs drops are dependant on your level, i assume the rock salt would b e from the same mobs that drop the finest rock salt

atomic vault
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Thank you. I just did a shout while in there and someone said it doesn't drop from any mobs.

manic schooner
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hey guys, planning to level a single tank class so i can at least breeze thru long queues..

between the top-tier tanks DRK vs. GNB right now, which do u think is slightly better?

robust crow
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well

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first off, all the tanks are good

little swift
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the margin between them is so small

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and drk isn't near the top in those statistics either

robust crow
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this is currently how popular the tanks are

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paladin's significantly more popular than the other three

little swift
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popularity

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vs output

robust crow
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as far as damage goes

manic schooner
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i see. interesting

little swift
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dps wise if we're really being nitpicky drk is lower

manic schooner
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whats that score column based from?

robust crow
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this is the damage order

little swift
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score isn't important

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it has no relevance

robust crow
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it goes GNB, then PLD, then WAR, then DRK

little swift
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the important data is the dps (if you consider that important)

robust crow
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score is loosely based off the DPS output

little swift
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the real thing to consider here is what you find more interesting

robust crow
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let me find the actual DPS comparison rq

manic schooner
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i see.. hmm in the perspective of a tank, i dont think dps matters. a tank shudnt care about dishing out dmg so long as it can get all aggro without dying

robust crow
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here we go

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well, you're both right and wrong on that

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at endgame, every class gears for damage, period

manic schooner
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wow can believe DRK is lowest

little swift
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in general damage matter

kind eagle
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Guess i need next reset for chest and leg

little swift
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its how you clear things

robust crow
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more damage means you can potentially skip mechanics as well

kind eagle
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i ignore rings for now

robust crow
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but anyway, I do want to add that DRK invuln is risky if your healers aren't decent

manic schooner
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at endgame, every class gears for damage, period
@robust crow why not gear for extra mitigation instead? to the point where even TEA will have to try so hard to kill u

little swift
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thats not possible

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thats why

robust crow
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because tank natural mitigation is significantly more important than what substats can provide

little swift
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you're thinking that you can just offload enough tenacity as a substat to mitigate all damage

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but realistically thats not how substat tiering works

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nor is there enough stat for you to accomplish that

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and as a result of doing that

robust crow
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some of my friends who enjoy DRK tell me they dislike playing DRK if there isn't a WHM in the team or if they don't trust the healers (like in pugs)

little swift
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you lose damage overall and no longer have the capability of hitting dps checks that are important to clearing

robust crow
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because if they invuln and the healer is dumb, the DRK dies

rotund sable
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You don't even consider taking players who can't survive in ultimate, and if you can all survive you take whoever can do the most dansgsy

robust crow
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yeah like, using TEA as the example here is bad

rotund sable
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This also applies to savage just less severely

robust crow
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in TEA either you do the mechanic right or you die

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doesn't matter if you built 100% survivability

little swift
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the % of damage mitigated by tenacity is not more than the damage out you can gain by having determination instead

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renaulte thats not entirely true either

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you put a little bit of tenacity to help pad out for ultimates

jade quartz
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there are healing checks in ultimates.

little swift
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its not like its a dead stat

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its just there are heal checks and stuff that require you to be able to help mitigate through

robust crow
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well yes, but I'm saying you don't gear full defense like the other guy is stating

rotund sable
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Drk invuln only happens if they hit 0% anyway so you can't ever lose anything with it, asides from its own cd

robust crow
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that's also why some TEA BiS factor in additional vitality

little swift
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you just can't gear for full defense

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gear of the same ilvl will have the same defense mainstat/vitality spread

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it doesn't vary

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its just the substat spread is different

robust crow
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there's different set builds for classes

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there's two sets for TEA for BLM for example

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one is max damage (spellspeed) and the other is higher ilvl (vit)

manic schooner
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i see.. interesting... hmmm.... thanks guys, given all that information, and given all tanks seem to do well in terms of base survivability, i guess im going for GNB as its the top1 in terms of dps according to @robust crow statistics

robust crow
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it's not my statistics

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it's fflogs statistics

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i just pulled it up from the site

rotund sable
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The damage is so close it matters more which one you as a player can do best

little swift
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again the difference is so minimal choosing it just because it has "more dps" doesn't automatically mean you do more damage

jade quartz
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GNB assuming everybody plays perfectly (which they won't) outdamages the other tanks by about 2%.

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Don't make your decision on that basis.

robust crow
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some people do consider GNB as the "most difficult" tank class