Yeah, there's not much reason to do dancing plague outside of trial roulette and for the main story
#questions-and-help
forest junco
uhh Msq?
glossy flare
msq = main story quests
forest junco
yeah im waiting for Msq
glossy flare
I know
But again, outside of doing it for the msq and getting it via trial roulette there is not much reason to queue for it
Which is likely why you have long queue times
But when reset time comes around, in about 3 hours, people will probably queue for trial roulette
And your chances will, presumably, improve
forest junco
damn whenever the duty ready it is always 1 healer who didnt ready
mossy tartan
Where can I find kugane’s inns, if there’s any?
glossy flare
There's an aethernet shard right next it
called the Bokairo Inn
Should also be noted on the map
In the north west corner
mossy tartan
Thank you
leaden ginkgo
You see the bed icon at the top? That's what you're looking for.
This bed icon will be your guide for any new city you unlock too.
Bed icon = inn room, always. Good luck, have fun.
mossy tartan
I see, thank you!
gritty oracle
Can blu go into 60 maps?
bronze narwhal
Is there a way to change your idle pose automatically?
Ive seen people change their pose in certain intervals even though afk
Nvm found it
bronze narwhal
I just found it, thank you 
glossy flare
that changes is permanently
bronze narwhal
As in automatically
glossy flare
But yeah, you can also cycle through them automatically
shrewd mirage
How long do you Think it would take to get 1,000,000 MGP?
zinc orbitBOT
glossy flare
2 weeks maybe?
err sorry, longer
But it's not that much, assuming you get the fashion report and challenge log MGP every week
shrewd mirage
Fashion report?
glossy flare
it's a weekly gold saucer activity
You get hints for a certain outfit to wear and if you nail it you get 100k mgp
there's a whole discord dedicated to it so if you just wait for the solution every week it is pretty much free mgp
You can also use !fashionreport down in #kupo-bot-spam
gritty oracle
I meant Dragonskin map dungeons. Can blu go into Aquapolis?
glossy flare
it will spit out the current challenge
shrewd mirage
Thank you!!
patent citrus
man i wish there are more healers in need T_T
my daily roulette recently keep giving me tanks
honest anvil
can all titan’s attacks knock you off the arena? Or is it just the one with the straight line warning?
patent citrus
well just avoid all haha
jade quartz
Landslide (straight line AoE) is the knockback one.
patent citrus
i think the rounded one is damage, but all dangerous in their own right
honest anvil
ye i try to avoid all but knowing which does the knockback makes me less frantic
Tks all
dreamy warren
What is a good way to level alt classes? I'm really struggling to get my alts to even level 15.
jade quartz
Do your hunting log for that class
honest anvil
Hunting log for below 15
jade quartz
it's a biiig chunk
dreamy warren
I did, but it only got me to level 13.
jade quartz
if doing the level 1-20 hunting log doesn't get you to 15 then you can do some FATEs or leves
or PotD
dreamy warren
PotD?
honest anvil
Palace of the dead
jade quartz
Unlockable via level 17 quest "The House That Death Built" in the Gridania tavern
dreamy warren
I've never been able to successfully get a team to queue for that
glossy flare
once you hit 15 dungeons are recommended anyway, assuming your queue times are okay-ish
So I'd say do some leves and then hit the dungeons
dreamy warren
Yeah, I'm just trying to get to 15
jade quartz
FATEs probably better than leves.
fiery falcon
Will I miss out on anything if I start playing and don't get the expansion packs till i reach endgame? (other than not being able to play the bunny race)
glossy flare
Yeah I will admit I am biased against fates :/
jade quartz
Try FATEs around Aleport
leaden ginkgo
Do your hunting logs.
jade quartz
@fiery falcon nah you're fine
if you're on the free trial you'll miss out on some social stuff and the marketboard which is a slight annoyance
but not a game-breaker
er
should mention
obviously you can't get to "endgame" without the expansion
you'll be capped at level 60
endgame is level 80.
You'll be at "endgame" of the base version I guess...
leaden ginkgo
Heavensward endgame. Old school style.
fiery falcon
@jade quartz Thank you! I plan on buying the subscription I just can't get the expansion yet. How long would you say it takes to reach the point of where you need the expansion if you play casually? like a couple of hours every day / every other day
errant ginkgo
hello what's the best leve to spam for "Honest GIllionare" title
jade quartz
If finances are a problem I'd honestly recommend you stay on the free trial for now @fiery falcon
All buying the base game and sub does is unlock the marketboard and social stuff like free companies and /shout chat.
fiery falcon
Ahh really?
jade quartz
You still have access to all content up to level 60 on the free trial
honest anvil
just finish all of HW including optional trials, raids and such probably takes over a month
jade quartz
So you could do the story up to there, level a few jobs to 60 if you want
outer plank
unless you want some of the social feautres like fc's and marketboard, theres not to much of a reason to early sub to the game if you havent reached trial capped @fiery falcon
jade quartz
and then when you feel like you've exhausted what's available to you on free trial/want to move on, then buy the base game and the expansion
outer plank
but thats up to you if you want that now or later
fiery falcon
Ahh thanks so much for explaining guys, I'll be doing the free trial for now then! ❤️
wary forge
Does Part 2 of the ARR NG+ start right where the starting town split merges or is that in a different part?
zinc orbitBOT
bleak lake
ok just started play.. i'm really lazy.. can I pay money to get a mount right away lol ? 😛
zinc orbitBOT
wary forge
If you have a friend who's been playing a while already they might have a passenger mount they can fly you around with.
bleak lake
I have a character on another world in EU.. can I transfer stuff between?
Ah okok thx
wary forge
Pretty sure you can't even trade cross server. Cross datacenter is straight out.
faint flare
You can trade cross server
But you need a third person to hold items while you swap characters
bleak lake
Ah ok
cedar compass
how do you repair your gear as a crafter?
silent gorge
Is there a reason why its easier to play with a controller than a keyboard for me
fresh lodge
Meet the level requirement, have dark matter in your inventory, right click the piece of gear and go repair
glossy flare
Is there a reason why its easier to play with a controller than a keyboard for me
@silent gorge Most likely personal preference?
I mean, how can anyone but yourself answer what you're more comfortable with?
silent gorge
I just feel like im doing something wrong
I set up the hot bars but its just so much faster with the controller
The only downside to a conrtoller is typing in chat
fiery falcon
The free trial till 60, is that also for the steam version?
Or only the "normal" launcher version?
jade quartz
@fiery falcon same for steam
bleak lake
when do I lock up the hunting thing
fiery falcon
@jade quartz Thanks again! xx
plain python
should I use Dragoon's jump skill between combo skills?
glossy flare
Yes
jade quartz
yes, it's an oGCD
glossy flare
It is called weaving if you wanna research more on that
The concept exists on all jobs
jade quartz
!faq weaving
zinc orbitBOT
jade quartz
the details about cast time GCDs there are aimed at caster classes
but the stuff in the middle is relevant to you.
bleak lake
Why cant I select Omega from the server list when applying for character transfer?
glossy flare
!status omega
zinc orbitBOT
glossy flare
Hm, it should be possible
narrow blade
So not really liking mages at this point
young fjord
Odin is online, playing with @faint flare right now
bleak lake
I have my old char on Omega, but started play in Odin... how do I switch back to Omega ?
shy gust
I'm playing the free trial but thinking of subscribing. Will the game let me play again in the free areas if I dont then renew my subscription or does it just stop you from playing completely?
rich bay
Sophia, once you buy the game, you can't play without a sub.
hot eagle
I have my old char on Omega, but started play in Odin... how do I switch back to Omega ?
@bleak lake change your datacenter before logging in, to chaos
rich bay
You do get 30 days for free if you buy the game.
bleak lake
Ah thx
glossy flare
There are no free areas really, the trial just lets you play as if you would own the starter edition + certain restrictions
shy gust
Wow really? So its just easier to play for free until I can no longer progress?
glossy flare
If you are fine with the restrictions, yes
rich bay
shy gust
OK thanks, looks like I'm playing for free a little longer then!
bleak lake
So since neither Odin or Omega is in the character transfer server list I guess its not possible to recover my char on Omega to Odin?
jade quartz
Hold up
are you on Entry subscription?
You can only have one character per world if you're on Entry subscription mode.
bleak lake
Ah yes I think I am
jade quartz
So, you're being blocked from transferring your Omega char to Odin because you already have a character on Odin
and vice versa for transferring your Odin char to Omega.
bleak lake
ah ok, so if I have 2 char and go for Entry I have to choose what char to use?
zinc orbitBOT
jade quartz
the character limitations are there.
wispy parcel
@narrow blade All the casters are pretty basic until around level 70 when they are all closer to having a full kit
though honestly you can say that about MOST of the jobs in the game
a lot of them dont get their bread and butter until way later on
narrow blade
@wispy parcel I'm super green and I wanted to do mage but it just doesnt seem like my play style I'd rather be in thier face taking dmg for the party than sitting back casting spells
open rivet
could it be that the servers on light are still a bit wonky from the outage?
wispy parcel
So than a tank would probably be a better fit for you
narrow blade
@wispy parcel yup that is what I'm making now was reading up paladin or gunbreaker lol
jade quartz
If you're new to tanking in MMOs, don't recommend jumping to gunbreaker as it starts at level 60
narrow blade
I'm not new to mmos just the ff series
wispy parcel
Paladin is the easiest one to start with
narrow blade
I havent played an mmo since the beginning of perfect world lol
faint flare
@young fjord 
glossy flare
Well it sounds like you are pre lvl 60 anyway so Gunbreaker isn't really a choice right now
narrow blade
@glossy flare correct
glossy flare
If you are limited to the lvl 1 choices then you only have Paladin and Warrior
And yeah, Paladin is the most straight forward tank
jade quartz
They're all very straightforward.
narrow blade
I went with gladiator than it goes into paladin correct?
young fjord
IMO Warrior is more straight forward now a days
jade quartz
I'd call warrior and dark knight both marginally more straightforward than paladin tbh
glossy flare
Yeah I can see that argument, i just think PLD is so classic
wispy parcel
all the tanks play reletively the same but with minor differences
Paladin has a cooldown for any situation and is the most versatile
Warrior is big on self healing
Dark Knight has The Blackest Knight which is the best mitigation in the game
Gunbreaker has a DPS combo and does slightly more DPS than the other tanks
young fjord
in ARR PLD was way more basic, but now WAR is that. All you do is keep one buff up, and have a burst window, otherwise just generate and spend
If PLD get interrupted mid combo due to mechanic or something thye are screwd
narrow blade
awesome well im about to start leveling this gladiator and im holding out on buying the subscription until I hit level 35 once it runs out
warm blade
narrow blade
just cant add anyone or talk to anyone lol
young fjord
Trial will take you to level 60
glossy flare
^
wispy parcel
Trial is until the end of Heavensward
narrow blade
o thought I read 35
glossy flare
And it doesn't have a time limit
young fjord
They updated it
wispy parcel
35 is what it used to be
young fjord
It used to be 35
whole wasp
that was the old free trial
young fjord
Now you get vanilla+first expnasion in trial
wispy parcel
they gave you more cause level 35 was around what was the worst part of the MSQ
narrow blade
MSQ Main story quests?
young fjord
Yes
narrow blade
I'm old my apologies lol
wispy parcel
Now they let people get to when the story actually gets good
narrow blade
to get em hooked classic move
narrow blade
also I'm kinda powering through all this im not really into the videos and such just play to level and kill and get the best gear lol
so my trail might be over quicker
wispy parcel
The story is like 80% of the game so I'd recommend taking it slow
glossy flare
Even if you skip everything it will take some time just because of how much story there is. For example there is a whole stretch after the base ARR (where you are lvl 50 already) and where Heavensward starts (also technically at 50)
Bottom line is that story is a huge part in this game and ignoring it is not recommended
whole wasp
trial has no time limit. you can level all jobs to lvl 60 if you wanted too so theres no need to rush.
glossy flare
I will admit that the ARR storyline is a bit slow and doesn't hold up to the expansions in terms of quality though
Not that it's bad per se
wispy parcel
but it is needed as context to understand what the hell is happening
glossy flare
It's the old "stick with it, it will get sooo much better in season 2" kinda deal
gusty storm
hey what classes play similar to machinist
glossy flare
All the other ranged physical dps, to a degree
Though they have more proc mechanics and are more "random" because of that
(Dancer and Bard btw)
fiery falcon
Sorry for asking so many questions, but i'm trying to download & play the game. I want to do the free trial till 60 but it just tells me this:
fast hull
I think MCH is special it has a rotation, other range DPS is random procs or pray you have procs
jade quartz
What aspects of machinist do you like?
glossy flare
True, if you are looking for more combo system mechanics then melee dps might fit you better
whole wasp
Sorry for asking so many questions, but i'm trying to download & play the game. I want to do the free trial till 60 but it just tells me this:
did you download the free trial launcher?
jade quartz
Or if you like the rampup to the burst window, then perhaps you'd like summoner, dragoon or any of the tanks.
whole wasp
!faq freetrial
zinc orbitBOT
whole wasp
try this link instead
fiery falcon
I didn't know there was a specific free trial launcher, I thought I could just download the one on steam o:
whole wasp
oh steam works too
you gotta download the FFXIV (free trial) game
not the FFXIV game
they are listed as two different games
fiery falcon
Ahh i see the free one on steam
patent citrus
gotta think ahead if you want to play it on steam forever
fiery falcon
so if i play the free trial one, can i still use that character if i decide to buy a subscription at 60?
whole wasp
yes
fiery falcon
or do i have to start over?
patent citrus
since if you decided to upgrade later, you'll be forced to use steam forever
whole wasp
but if you start on steam, you gotta stay on steam
fiery falcon
are there any downsides to that?
whole wasp
people say steam has less sales but its not by much i can tell
butbut
you getta use steam wallet if you have that
that is usually the deciding factor when people chooses to use steam vs non-steam
else, it doesnt really matter
patent citrus
yeh, if you have a lot of extra steam wallet, i guess it's better if you use steam
but for me it's confusing x_x
as smug said, steam usually has less sale
whole wasp
im not even sure about that anymore
rich bay
There is one difference too, if you can use Steam Wallet, you can auto-renew with Paypal as well if you link it to the Steam Wallet.
fiery falcon
Alright thank you! xx
leaden ginkgo
how do i get to wolfs den
gusty storm
@jade quartz I like hypercharge it’s really fun
velvet fossil
Dumb question, but if you run roulettes at lvl 80 do you get the "rest" experience that just builds up? Until the bar turns blue at least
jade quartz
so the high-speed GCD thing?
jade quartz
no other job really has that
glossy flare
You don't get any experience from roulettes at lvl 80
jade quartz
I guess doing NIN mudras has that fast-input feel
and summoner has massive burst windows like that although they don't speed up your GCD
velvet fossil
@glossy flare thanks for the answer
jade quartz
@velvet fossil rested exp accumulates over time, not from doing anything.
!faq restedexp
zinc orbitBOT
fresh lodge
BLM
wispy parcel
BLM doesnt get Fire 4 until 60 and Foul until 70. SMN doesnt get Bahamut until 70 and their rotation feels incomplete until then
zenith niche
BLM I'd say is especially rough because you practically have to throw out what you know about it every 10 levels or so after you hit 50
And then do it again once you get scaled down for older content once you're capped
little swift
Red mage not having its finisher slows the gameplay loop a tad
You don't really throw out what you know
zenith niche
I know, it's just hard to go back to Fire 1 spamming fishing for an F3 proc when you're used to F4
little swift
Its more like you get more tools that become part of what you should use
zenith niche
Plus expecting things like Aspect Mastery to be there and then they aren't
Yeah
That said please do not let that dissuade you if you want to play BLM, it's very fun.
gusty storm
Nah I don’t think I’ll like it
zenith niche
That's fair.
gusty storm
I was just asking because I kinda want to boost
wispy parcel
BLM is my favorite DPS, once you get it to 80
zenith niche
I'm sort of in that boat too, sorawild, I just have trouble using it in new content
But it's just so cool
harsh moat
I'd say DRK is pretty damn squishy before you get TBN
wispy parcel
Aetherial Manipulation saves lives my friend
and yea you dont get the main thing for DRK until level 70
as well
little swift
Not having your short cool down isn't great but drk does fine
wispy parcel
are bitter memories gotten all over bozja or in a specific place?
rich bay
@fiery falcon
You got the right client? There is a free trial one and the one for the full version.
Below you can download the free trial client you need:
fiery falcon
@leaden ginkgo Yeah I think I just have to do it off steam.. I download the trial steam version but it's just not working at all 😅
but everytime i download the trial version on steam it's like it just downloads the normal one?
rich bay
Yeah. Don't know if you need to make a new account, but if you need a new one, you can cancel your old steam one and make a new one off steam with the same creditentials.
@fiery falcon
fiery falcon
The account I'm trying to use isn't new but it's not old either. I've purchased 1 month sub on it before, but they're all super low level
is that why maybe?
little swift
There's your issue you cannot return to the trial when you have a game license registered to your account
rich bay
Ah, that is why! You need to subscribe then in that case.
You can still cancel the account and start anew.
(You do lose all progress then, don't know if you can reuse the name you used.)
fiery falcon
ahh thank you, if i cancel my account will the characters / names be deleted too?
and can i reuse my account name?
little swift
You can use the name again if you aren't on the same world as before
So if you delete the character
You can use the name kn that world
calm phoenix
My character is stuck running and will not stop no matter what button I hit! even if I used the mouse to jump to sealed area, my character still just runs. Tried a few controllers same thing! Does anybody know what the problem could be?
leaden ginkgo
is it smart to farm fates
little swift
Do you have the autorun selected
For what? Exp? Not really
It can help fill challenge log
zinc orbitBOT
calm phoenix
No. Turns out that Final Fantasy XIV froze "not responding"
fiery falcon
Thanks for the help again!
little swift
Its a fine queue waiting alternative in shb but not so much in the earlier parts of the game
So you lagged and disconnected
I see
calm phoenix
I tried using the mouse to move and the game froze
This is the third time since I got the game back in the beginning of August that the game froze during a dungeon. What could be the problem here? It is ONLY in dungeons
fiery falcon
@rich bay Do you know how to cancel the steam one? I tried making a new one through steam but it just says this
ofc bc i've already used it for my old account
rich bay
Emmy, go to the mogstation and cancel your account there.
gusty storm
What classes are worth to boost (or at least the most worth)
haughty spade
who wants to donate gil to me?
signal rover
How do I get gold seals for Khloe?
rich bay
who wants to donate gil to me?
Pops#2563
Pops, don't think @whole wasp, like begging.
whole wasp
rich bay
@signal rover
By getting 3 lines in wonderous tales.
signal rover
I have 3 though and it only says silver?
wintry chasm
do i have to remove the trail to active my code
No, putting in the code will just take you off trial
leaden ginkgo
i need fats
wintry chasm
That's just the RNG reward chance Wolfiee
You can also get the gold ones from that too
calm phoenix
I still need help regarding why the game keeps freezing during dungeons
signal rover
Oh, okay. I've never seen gold. Guess I'm unlucky?
leaden ginkgo
memby wifi moltres
rich bay
@signal rover
You are not level 71 yet, that is why you can only choose between 2 options. Once you reach level 71, you get a different variant with 3 options.
Choose the MGP, it is 1 million MGP.
wintry chasm
What classes are worth to boost (or at least the most worth)
I guess Summoner or Scholar since you get a 2 in 1 for that
whole wasp
@haughty spade this is your first and last reminder, do not beg for gil/in-game items in this server.
wintry chasm
idk
signal rover
@rich bay I'm level 72, but I'm only just finished HW MSQ.
zinc orbitBOT
Warning issued for Pops#2563 on Final Fantasy XIV
rich bay
Ah, that is why. You also needed to have reached ShB for it.
I suggest getting the 20 × 50K MGP, that gives you a nice mount. @signal rover
haughty spade
was that considered begging?
signal rover
@rich bay thanks!
raw solstice
costa del sol has some level 30 FATEs @leaden ginkgo
gusty storm
Mm okay
rich bay
@signal rover
Grab the Fenrir mount in the Golden Saucer for 1.000.000 MGP.
wintry chasm
was that considered begging?
yes and if it was sarcastic then you're being inappropriate for this channel so you can't really win this
gusty storm
Actually out of Ninja, Dragoon and Astrologian which ones are most worth to boost
As in like their leveling experiences are the worst
wintry chasm
not dragoon
signal rover
@rich bay if I already have the minions from bronze/silver certs is more MGP just better? I'm guessing 450 gear isn't worth the certs.
haughty spade
oh okay
rich bay
@signal rover
Yes, if you can't get the gold token, always get the MGP.
wintry chasm
MGP is
oblique trellis
@wintry chasm So is that a vouch for Dragoon being good?
rich bay
The Fenrir mount is for 1 million MGP in the gold saucer, and 20 x 50.000 is 1 million.
signal rover
quick maths 😛
rich bay
Getting 1M MGP the normal way takes months.
(Let alone 2 million for the cactuar mount)
wintry chasm
In story and also I just think it's fun (except the early early level non-existent aoe)
oblique trellis
Fair enough, maybe I should check it out
fiery falcon
@rich bay Sorry for asking again. I've just cancelled both completely, now what do I have to do to get a new "code" thingy so I can play on steam with a new account?
gusty storm
Wouldn’t Dragoon be boring until like you get your Dragon gauge
rich bay
@wintry chasm can you help Emmy further?
wintry chasm
sooo
Just so I understand
Emmy bought the game on Steam but her code was used on the wrong account or something?
signal rover
@rich bay should I just save 2m for the other mount?
wintry chasm
Up to you
signal rover
I'm getting 80k MGP per week from WT
I should probably actually do some stuff at Gold Saucer too lol
oblique trellis
I need to learn how to gamble better....but this isn't a question.. so..how do I gamble better?
I almost have the fat chocobo minion
fiery falcon
@wintry chasm So I got the game on steam, I paid for one month of membership then didn't play it for a bit. Now I'd like to play again, and have been told you can play up to level 60 for free
and that I need to make a new account for it
fiery falcon
So I did, but it says that the registration thingy has already been used, so I was told to delete my account, which I did (completely I think?)
And now I'm a bit unsure of how to "reset" the code on steam so I'm able to make a new account
The product code
wintry chasm
You don't want to use the product code to go on free trial anyway
But um, I'm not 100% sure how this would work on Steam
hot eagle
don't think you can go back to trial if you own the full one
wintry chasm
I'd see if you can download the FFXIV free trial on Steam and if you can you can make a NEW steam free trial account from there
leaden ginkgo
is it possible to hotbar duty actions?
boreal storm
Yes
leaden ginkgo
how
hot eagle
probably would need to make a new steam account if u want to play the trial with steam
boreal storm
There should be an option in the main commands menu
wintry chasm
maybe but it's worth trying to do what I said to see if you can actually get away with doing it on the same account
oblique trellis
Duty Actions are in your A&T menu somewhere
leaden ginkgo
which option would it be :o
fiery falcon
The thing is when I download the free trial it just downloads the normal launcher
oblique trellis
you can drag them from there to hotbar
leaden ginkgo
maybe I'm blind and not seeing it
oblique trellis
lemme load my game, I'll find it if you don't find it first
wintry chasm
The thing is when I download the free trial it just downloads the normal launcher
well
I see two options then
oblique trellis
okay
wintry chasm
- new steam account
- just get the non-steam version of the game
oblique trellis
Where do I get Lali Ho?
oblique trellis
Oh, idk what either of those are, so guess I can't yet
wintry chasm
Right it's a Shadowbringers zone
oblique trellis
What about the Bees Knees dance I keep seeing ppl do?
signal rover
Does this mean I need to wear any Helmet with Mole Brown Dye, any Chest with Soot Black Dye, any Pants with Soot Black Dye, and any piece (regardless of item/dye/etc) in all other slots*?
wintry chasm
and the earring
gusty pasture
is bozja armor ilvl 500?
wintry chasm
But yes
brave ravine
wait wut, I bought mine and they're 495?
gusty pasture
no upgrades?
brave ravine
the augments dont upgrade the ilvl
foggy viper
Started using macros but something is wrong with mine, I searched online for reference but I still need to press it twice for it to go off
/action "Raise"<t>
<wait.1>
/em is raising<t>!
/macroicon "Raise"
I swiftcast manually then use the macro
fiery falcon
Thanks for all the help guys, I ended up just installing it off steam. There were too many issues for me installing it on steam 😩
lilac flume
i just unlocked archer and holy shit this is some healer-tier snoozing, does it get better once you get bard?
wintry chasm
It gets better when you get the songs and procs
lilac flume
guess ill grit my teeth then zzz
brave ravine
no heavenly, it just gets more complicated
oblique trellis
I'm not sure AbsolutePhoenix (don't want you to think you're getting ignored) - would there not being spaces before the <t> cause an issues?
glossy flare
All the jobs are kind of boring until you hit late 40s/early 50s
wispy parcel
none of the jobs in the game hit their stride till much later on
calm phoenix
After the game froze during the dungeon and I had to force close the game, now Final Fantasy XIV will not run! Every time I open it, it freezes upon launch! Does anybody know what the problem could be?
lilac flume
yeah but at least other jobs have 1-2-3's or something, archer is just spam heavy shot and refresh dots
wispy parcel
Casters especially
wispy parcel
Bard and Dancer are heavy on proc's, well not heavy but they have a few so their rotation isnt a simple 1-2-3
brave ravine
@calm phoenix reboot computer
foggy viper
Hm, I thought I read somewhere that having a spacve would be an issue
wispy parcel
If you want a more straightforward RDPS get Machinist
foggy viper
I'll try with a space
wispy parcel
as theres no RNG in its rotation
oblique trellis
Well rn there's issues without the space before, so idk if it could get worse with them (to clarify I know absolutely nothing of macros, and just tossing out ideas)
lilac flume
mch is what im doing now, im just getting brd lined up once i cap it
i get a class to 50 then its on the "do roulettes" cycle while i line up another class to start them after i cap the first
wintry chasm
Started using macros but something is wrong with mine, I searched online for reference but I still need to press it twice for it to go off
/action "Raise"<t>
<wait.1>
/em is raising<t>!
/macroicon "Raise"
What error do you even get?
oblique trellis
I think it's just the issue with them having to press it twice for it to go off
wintry chasm
I can't see anything that looks wrong except put the wait on the same line as raise
glossy flare
The "pressing twice" thing might just be because macros don't go into the skill queue
So it's different from your other GCDs
signal rover
Am I just so ugly he won't even accept my participation?
signal rover
Passion for Fashion, I see it. Thanks!
foggy viper
I can't see anything that looks wrong except put the wait on the same line as raise
Ok, I'll try that
Do I need a space between <t><wait.1>?
simple pine
is there any purpose to duplicate field notes in bozjan?
raven sage
Turn them in to the historian for lockboxes
foggy viper
No there isnt one
I'ts just the text shows but the cast doesnt go off
Have to press it again
wintry chasm
What are you casting at?
foggy viper
Dead people
foggy viper
Nope
rich bay
/ac "Raise/Ascend/Resurrection" <t>
/p Raising <t>
This is the correct macro, did you use something like this?
gusty pasture
help where do I unlock this
at least, the first of the containment bay series, it's not in mor dhona or idyllshire
foggy viper
My new one from the advice given
/em is raising<t>!```@gusty pasture
wintry chasm
The warring triad starts off in Ishgard in The Pillars with https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Gods_of_Eld and then you go to Mor Dhona afterwards
gusty pasture
Ishgard? alright
fresh lodge
You should do it in party chat instead
raw solstice
you would probably want the wait in a raise macro since if you're spamming the button (which you probably should be since macros are dumb), without the wait you'd also spam the chat message
foggy viper
Tbh I have no idea wtf is /em lol
fresh lodge
Ah true
raw solstice
custom emote text
foggy viper
I just copied and removed the swiftcast
zinc orbitBOT
foggy viper
And removed the fancy garbage
rich bay
You can use party chat yes, alliance chat is also useful for raise macro's. But many only use party chat for it.
oblique trellis
What is <se.2> in macros? Whenever I'm in a dungeon, and someone uses a macro for some reason <se.2> always shows up with their text and idk if they just messed up a command or not
faint flare
Sound effect
foggy viper
Sound effect but idk what to hear amongst everything though
oblique trellis
I see
pliant wind
Any way I can fix my mistake? The mistake is I... I sorta... Sold it.
Even if it isn't I can't find it anywhere
Oh yeah I should have specified. The sch cap
raw solstice
which one?
there's also a command /isearch
which you can use to find an item if you hadn't sold it
fresh lodge
What SCH cap in particular?
pliant wind
Lvl 45.
fresh lodge
You finished the quest that you got it from right?
bleak lake
when an item says in red "disiciple of war" what does that mean? I cant use it?
pliant wind
Yeah that's where the problem comes in
fresh lodge
Disciple of War just means any of the physical damaging jobs
wispy parcel
means its for a physical combat job
whole wasp
only a disciple of war class can use it which are all the non-casters (tanks, melee DPS, ranged DPS)
bleak lake
oh ok
fresh lodge
Try checking the buyback menu at any vendor after you do the isearch
bleak lake
is there auto loot on all mobs?
calm phoenix
I did the + quest yesterday but I DID NOT gain ANY rep from my dailies today! I know that it goes up to level 8 because my brother-in-law is at 8. 8 is allied. Does anybody know what the problem could be?
manic schooner
hey guys, when u server hop from a full server to a less crowded one (say tonberry to kujata); can u still go back to tonberry knowing it might be me full instantly after u leave?
faint flare
You need all the other Beast tribes at trusted
Before you can go further
ARR beast tribes are wack
glossy flare
@bleak lake There is autoloot period
If you kill something and it drops something it goes straight to your inventory
No manual looting needed
proper shore
Hey , i haven't start the game yet and i would like to know exactly how job work. I want to do a Paladin , and i see that to unlock it i have to do a gladiator lvl 30 and an elementalist lvl 15 , but do it mean i have to do 2 different character ? or there is a way to grind multiple classes on the same character ?
zinc orbitBOT
strange coral
That's old info, only need the base class to 30
proper shore
so i just need to do a lvl 30 gladiator , do the classes quest and " sylph management " and then i got the quest to unlock my job ?
fiery falcon
Which EU server is most populated?
proper shore
and what are those " class quest " exactly ? is there many of them ?
proper shore
okay thx
faint flare
Class and job are interchangeable
proper shore
guess it will be easier to underqtand once im in game
proper shore
i see
strange coral
You go back to them every 5 levels for a new quest (in ARR at least, it's ever 2-3 in expansions). And you NEED to do them to get new skills
faint flare
Ontop of xp and occasionally gear
wispy parcel
they unlock the majority of your skills
faint flare
Your current job quest is tracked via the main scenario tracker
Under the main scenario quest in the tracker
proper shore
so if i goes from gladiator to paladin i stay lvl 30 ?
since paladin is the upgrade of gladiator
if i'm not wrong
strange coral
Yes, but if you decide to switch to archer for example, you start over at 1
calm phoenix
Why is it every time I list materia on the market board, the price always drops daily until I end up taking it off because it drops to less than it sells to NPC? It eventually goes back up, but the same proccess occurs putting it back up again.
fresh lodge
Because thats what happens when you enter an oversaturated market
People want to clear their stock out quickly so they lower their price to be the lowest
calm phoenix
Oversaturated?
fresh lodge
Materia is a dime a dozen
calm phoenix
What does that mean I am asking
fresh lodge
It means their is way more supply than demand
faint flare
It means there's too much supply
When there's more supply than demand, price goes down
calm phoenix
So I am better off just selling it to NPC, basically?
faint flare
Or transmute at Mutamix to try and get Crafter/gathering materia which occasionally does better
fresh lodge
What grade materia is it?
bleak lake
is there some kind of xp boost to buy?
fresh lodge
You can buy a skip to level 70 and thats it
bleak lake
oh ok
faint flare
Transmute is taking 5 materia and turning it into a different materia. Rarely you'll get a materia of a higher tier. You do it at Mutamix at the camp north of black brush station
calm phoenix
Wh does the wait time for Containment Bay P1T6 keep frequently going up? It was originally at "12 minutes" and now it says 25 minutes. It is NOT the extreme version
patent citrus
well it means 12 minutes was the last party waiting time approximate
open rivet
@calm phoenix that's just how the queue timer works,
it tries to guess how long it'll take but is wrong on almost all accounts
patent citrus
who knows what's the current time gonna be
open rivet
Can I get to 2000 RP for Mahjong with just the Novice Mahjong?
fiery falcon
What's best if I want to be a white mage? (which I'm assuming is the most like a traditional healer?)
conjurer, thaumaturge or arcanist?
open rivet
Only Conjurer becomes White Mage @fiery falcon
strange coral
White mage has to start as Conjurer
haughty kettle
Hello! I’m new at FF14. Do you guys know how to choose bunny as your race ?
open rivet
it's okay
wispy parcel
Moltres its the same answer everytime you ask. The queue timer is an estimate that is usually wrong
strange coral
@haughty kettle You need to own Shadowbringers
whole wasp
And white mage is the best(?) healer? or?
white mage (conjurer) is the only healer you can start at lvl 1. All 3 healers are good, just different playstyles.
patent citrus
yeh, play what you like
it's not the class the makes it the best
it's the player
fiery falcon
Alright thank you! xx
patent citrus
class is just a tool
haughty kettle
@strange coral Ah okay, thank you! I only have the free trial.
whole wasp
yup
open rivet
jobs are somewhat balanced
whole wasp
you can easily change between the 3 healers anyway
open rivet
so play what you like
wispy parcel
It's ultimately up to player skill how well something does
whole wasp
you aren't stuck with what you chose at the start
patent citrus
dam, how do i return my wall into the default apartment wall T_T
just realised can't paint partition
open rivet
after you put on another wall, the "default" goes into your inventory
patent citrus
yeh i think i sold that one
open rivet
you can buy them from the housing vendor if you sold it
zinc orbitBOT
calm phoenix
No clue why it kept going up. Queue popped after 10 minutes which is less than its original estimate
faint flare
Estimates are barely ever correct
Just ignore it
Like we've said all the times you've asked
patent citrus
well means the last party got in with that timing 😂
open rivet
eh, not really
wispy parcel
Estimate = Guess
calm phoenix
*a very bad guess
patent citrus
if you got in earlier, means it starting to get busy
jade quartz
Average wait time is based on average of the wait times of the last few people of your role who queued and got in.
It's based on data.
raw solstice
estimates are usually fairly accurate. But if you're queueing for something that's not actively queued for, whether it be due to whatever instance it is, or time of day, you can see a bit of skew
calm phoenix
How does that average change whiled queued then?
patent citrus
why i can't see it anywhere
jade quartz
other people get in or it adjusts based on how long it's been since the last time.
Obviously it can't be 100% accurate
narrow blade
weaver best one?
jade quartz
it's an estimation based on data.
as the night moves on the people queueing and the number of people online changes
jade quartz
and maybe the average is just based on several one-offs and you're the unlucky one who was too late to get into a quick burst of instance pops.
Whatever happens
calm phoenix
My internet company customer service has more accurate wait time estimates than the game does lol
jade quartz
you don't need to come in here and complain about it.
It's the same as every other time.
raw solstice
you can also have like, 7/8 people in a party queueing for something, and filling in one person goes quick, so the estimated wait time gets pulled down
glossy flare
ffs Moltres, you always get the same answer about that kind of thing
raw solstice
then the people after that won't have the 7/8, and so they'll see the wait time go up as you wait longer
brave ravine
is there a way we can get a bozja instance ID?
jade quartz
No
calm phoenix
Well, I ask because not all duties are created equal. As you said before "that duty tends to have long queuetimes because nobody does them"
glossy flare
Yes but you're not really coming here for help, you're coming here to complain
Over and over again about the same issue
calm phoenix
What has been nice is that the research facility has been under a minute most times. Probably because of those pursuing Shadowbringers relic. Really helps for getting both retainers on ironworks gear.
hot rock
Can i pm someone to ask about some concerns about the free trial ?
glossy flare
You can ask here, that's what the channel is for
crimson wind
Nope
hot rock
yet i read that u can play untill u are a certain level
crimson wind
Up to level 60 now
hot rock
im vonfused...
raw solstice
free trial is unlimited time
hot rock
comfused..
glossy flare
The free trial has no time restrictions, just gameplay restrictions
jade quartz
reading outdated info
raw solstice
you get a free 30 days of sub time when you first purchase and register the base game
hot rock
would it worth actualy paying a subscription before lv 60 ?
little swift
Thats personal choice
glossy flare
If you care about the social restrictions, yes
raw solstice
if you don't want to be subject to the restrictions from the free trial
glossy flare
But that is up to you
wispy parcel
If you want access to Free Companies and the Marketboard then yes
hot rock
social restriction like ?
wispy parcel
if not then you can wait
calm phoenix
I think so. You get retiners, FCs and all that I jumped right in with a subscription
raw solstice
!faq freetrial
zinc orbitBOT
glossy flare
Not being able to create parties, not being able to add friends, not being able to use the market board
stuff like that
raw solstice
first link there has the restrictions that you have when on free trial
hot rock
i wont be able to create partys but i will be able to actualy enter automatically created ones from the dungeons right ?
glossy flare
yes
jade quartz
yep
hot rock
thanks man
wispy parcel
the 2 biggest ones are that you have no retainers which hard limits your inventory, and you are capped at 300K gil
hot rock
soo i can be invited but not make pt's myself right ?
glossy flare
yes
wispy parcel
ye
hot rock
perfect timing cypher lol
ashen garden
hey everyone, what's the best way to get crafters levelled up from about 60 to 80?? I think I heard beast tribes are the way to go but I wanted to ask
azure dragon
Anyone know what to do with the bozja field notes duplicates? I always get a bunch
wispy parcel
Best ways are levequests and Ishgardian restoration
Oh and when you hit 70 there are the turn ins at Eulmore and crystarium
calm phoenix
You mean from levemete?
wispy parcel
yea
leves easily give the best xp but you have a limit on how many you can do
once they run out Ishgardian Restoriation is 2nd best
little swift
@azure dragon trade those in to the resistance historian for lockboxes
ashen garden
ty sora!
calm phoenix
I thought that levemete were for DoW or DoM?
little swift
They actually remove combat leves by stormbloodd
azure dragon
@little swift ty!
little swift
Because combat leves suck
calm phoenix
Does a DoH & DoL need to be at a certain level for levemetes?
jade quartz
no
faint flare
Be within the leve range
wispy parcel
Depends on the area
jade quartz
there are leves for crafters and gatherers starting at level 1 and going all the way to cap.
Just have to go to the appropriate levemete for your level.
wispy parcel
HW onward you can just get them from the major city per expansion
calm phoenix
Where can my wife find levemetes for level 15 - 28 crafters and gatherers? I am sure that she would be happy to know this information
calm phoenix
Can someone tell me what the Duty Recorder does? Is it video of your fight?
faint flare
Basically, but only for very specific encounters...you need to use the Duty recorder ready check to use it AND all recorded data is lost on the next patch
Its a very poorly added feature
Pretty sure everyone forgets it exists and laugh when they see it mentioned on maintenances
open rivet
Can I get to 2000 RP for Mahjong with just the Novice Mahjong, or will I have to do Advanced Mahjong at some point to reach the achievement?
calm phoenix
Is there other HW extremes outside of Warring Triad? Because it says that the last is a demon but that is less extremes than number of birds
open rivet
don't use macros for abilities Tig
little swift
Ravana Bismarck Thordan also extremes
kind eagle
How to have good dps as samurai
calm phoenix
I have those three
strange coral
Also Nidhoog EX
little swift
Niddy ye
elder sinew
So just gotta click on party member and heal as normal is better?
calm phoenix
How do I get Nidhogg extreme? I beat him in regular version
kind eagle
I feel summoner deal more dmg than my samurai
little swift
I'm prettu sure to get rating you have to play matchmade ranked games @open rivet
Have you plugged your logs into xivanalysis yuki
kind eagle
Whats that
strange coral
Talk to Alys in Mor Dhona for Nidhogg I think
little swift
Hard to say what you need to improve if we don't have any idea what you're doing
open rivet
@little swift both novice & advanced are ranked
little swift
Fflogs and ACT are your parse programs
calm phoenix
Nobody in Mor Dhona has a + quest other than the repeatable one
kind eagle
Legal?
little swift
And xivanalysis takes that data and gives you a basic overview of what you can do better
Grey area
Don't talk about it in game or harass others
little swift
Yeah that kinda thing
kind eagle
Ah
little swift
I think whatever gets you matches and wins should be fine @open rivet
calm phoenix
I still need help. Nobody in Mor Dhona has the Nidhogg extreme quest and I HAVE beaten the story version
little swift
Have you walked into the building the rising stones entrance is at
strange coral
Check your quest journal, you might have already picked it up
calm phoenix
It says to speak to the wandering minstrel but he has no quest for me
It is not in my journal
strange coral
He doesn't start the quest. It starts with Alys and then she tells you to talk to the minstrel
calm phoenix
This is all he has and it is NOT Nidhogg. It is Bahamut
calm phoenix
Except I do not
faint flare
Very closely
fast hull
? what
faint flare
Screenshot
calm phoenix
faint flare
Because you have a extreme bad habit of missing shit infront of you
strange coral
Check your duty finder too, make sure you didn't already unlock it
dawn cradle
How much of the story of ARR is salvaged from FF14 1.0?
calm phoenix
Not there either
glossy flare
It continues the story of 1.0
strange coral
Wait I see the problem
dawn cradle
Getting through the patches between ARR and HW and starting with the latter, it feels like the patches do a much better job at setting up the story for the future. Frrls like ARR's story is a bit disjointed from the rest
strange coral
You need to do a little more MSQ Moltres
A few more quests, after Litany of Peace, then Alys will have the quest
calm phoenix
But I beat Nidhogg in the story
glossy flare
ARR was done in a very short amount of time and you notice that in a lot of places (still an impressive job considering everything that surrounded the development of the game)
strange coral
Doesn't matter, it requires Litany of Peace
glossy flare
But yes, later patches and expansions have a much higher story quality
Or quality period tbh
bleak lake
is there some kind of wardrobe in the game? how did it work
leaden ginkgo
would it be smart to order the starters edition if i am on a budget
glossy flare
doesn't matter
If you are on a budget I recommend playing the free trial
Free trial and starter edition are the same in terms of content
the trial just comes with certain social restrictions
glossy flare
Then yes, starter includes everything up to lvl 60
Which is still plenty of content and therefore playtime
So if you wanna split up the purchase there you go
leaden ginkgo
and i plan to get shadowbringers for my brithday
shut sun
I have a Ishgard Restoration question, on phase 3 with mining and goldsmithing, but I cannot find the skybuilders mats when mining. Googled and see that these are in the overworld, but still no luck. I probably missed something, ideas?
glossy flare
@bleak lake There is the glamour system and attached to that the glamour plate system. Which is basically a way of storing certain templates of outfits
glossy flare
It's accessible in every Inn via the glamor dresser, assuming you have unlocked glamours already
bleak lake
oh ok will check it out thx
shut sun
Even stuff like skybuilders' molybdenum ore? Because it isn't listed under "approved"
faint flare
You gather everything in the diadem
Then you approve it by the npc next to the entrance
Ignore phase 1 and 2 rwceipes
You physically cant get those mats anymore
cinder patio
Hey, is there any way to have a macro automatically place a ground targetted ability at your mouse location? For example, NIN's Shukuchi or DRK's Salted Earth?
Like I know using <mo> you can place it on a target, but is there a way to place it free form like that?
cinder patio
Ah, kk that's what I thought. Thanks!
zinc orbitBOT
leaden ginkgo
Heya, so I just got rank 10 in Southern Front and I'm really not sure how to go about organising a run of ||Castrum Lacus Litore||
strange coral
My understanding is that it pops just like the CEs. When it does people usually start using shout to make their groups
(I haven't done it myself yet, only R9)
leaden ginkgo
Right, I spent like...6 hours last night in various instances and never saw it pop
So I assumed it had other requirements
little swift
Needs enough r10s in your instance
faint flare
Its not
With more people levelling there's usually enough people for it to spawb
And people ofteb make parties prior to it spawning
leaden ginkgo
I see, I see
faint flare
Then use yell inside to coordinate
open ember
There are plenty of parties to do lacus litore
Just shout you're looking for party
Include your rank as well
leaden ginkgo
I just really want the gear but it seems like I'd need to do like 10 runs of it for the set
faint flare
5
leaden ginkgo
And there's no other way of getting the gear, right?
faint flare
You get 5 for first 2 bosses, 10 for last, +1 per prisoner saved
leaden ginkgo
Ohhh gotcha, I appreciate you clearing that up
What are the boxes I'm seeing on the loot tables for?
calm phoenix
What is the little square box by my name in the party list?
hot eagle
its the party leader symbol, if u joined through duty finder it will be assigned at random
or do u mean the numbered box
calm phoenix
It was level 50/60/70 dungeon roulette and it is the first time that it was by my name
leaden ginkgo
The party leader is who the game asks to recruit more players if someone leaves
And yeah, it's entirely at random
jade quartz
Highly unlikely that it's the first time it was by your name.
It's just the first time you noticed it.
calm phoenix
Maybe it was the first time. I am not what is considered far in the game. I just hit level 70 though. 10 levels above where I am supposed to be. Is a certain level required to be assigned at random?
fresh lodge
No, its completely random
calm phoenix
Can someone be the party leader if it is their very first dungeon?
fresh lodge
Its completely random
jade quartz
completely random.
I have full confidence you have been party leader before and didn't notice
fresh lodge
It takes no other factors into account
jade quartz
because it's inconsequential.
calm phoenix
Does it also give me the right to start a request to vote abandon/kick from party?
fresh lodge
No, anyone can do that
jade quartz
All it does is give you the prompt to refill party if someone leaves.
fresh lodge
Its only use is to press the yes button when someone leaves to begin looking for a new party member
runic totem
Does a sale happen on the complete edition often? Its almost holiday season in the US. I want to buy it but would be awesome if it went on sale.
runic totem
Is it possible to make a hotbar global to all Jobs? So I could have a hotbar for buttons to switch the various jobs?
fast hull
do healers have a rotation or it just depends on how your group is doing? (more dynamic)
fresh lodge
Healers put up their dot and spam their attack when they don't need to heal
jade quartz
@runic totem yes, character configuration > hotbar settings > sharing > tick which hotbars you want to be shared.
by default hotbars like 4 through 12 are all shared I think
wheat plume
Can I do player search for players from another world, same server, to add them to friend list?
calm phoenix
When I name a character thus nobody else can have that name, is that for the entire datacenter or just world?
fast hull
I thinkg you are limited to your own world (need to travel to use player search)
twilit arch
the world
wheat plume
how long is the time limit to confirm friend request?
fast hull
I mean I can search players lets say in Famfrit if I am in Famrit even though I am from lamia
zinc orbitBOT
calm phoenix
Is Containment Bay Z1T9 the last of the warring traid fights?
fresh lodge
Yes
calm phoenix
Thought so
fast hull
do you guys ever use raw intuition if nascent flash is available? I mean I barely use it now
wheat plume
I just traveled to the world of another player but player search is not finding him
can one player block to being found in player search?
twilit arch
if you can't find them via player search they're either not online or in an dungeon/instance
little swift
It can be that they're offline or in an instance
little swift
@fast hull if you cannot survive the thing because it does more damage than your hp you can ri otherwise healing through it with flash is fine
fast hull
@wheat plume usually either in a dungeon or offline
wait you can search offline players?
twilit arch
no
wheat plume
is ther a way to send friend request to an offline player?
twilit arch
no
calm phoenix
MTQCapture does good videos on duties. However, those are the synced guides. Is there any unsynced video tutorial videos for Heavensward extremes? Things are different unsynced. But certain mechanics can kill you. Is there any videos? Even if they only cover the most common mechanics that occur unsynced?
faint flare
There isnt really many unsync videos or guides around
little swift
Unsync doesn't change the mechanics
little swift
Just changes which you can choose to ignore
twilit arch
as well as Savage/Coil
calm phoenix
Is 26 minutes normal for Containment Bay Z1T9 (not extreme)? Is this one that people do not do anymore?
crimson wind
should I nocturnal helios and swap to diurnal pre pull
brave ravine
some would argue the reverse
open ember
You can
But
When you get Celestial Intersection
You dont need to
I personally don't switch sects
crimson wind
why not save celestial for later though
twilit arch
if you wanna be big brain, yean you can do noct helios/benefic before a pull
open ember
I just stay dinural in 4 mans
open ember
Celestial Intersection has a short CD
crimson wind
don't have celestial yet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wheat plume
Why cant I invite a friend to the linkshell I created, yesterday I saw the option but now it isnt. (Im in my world)
open ember
Is 26 minutes normal for Containment Bay Z1T9 (not extreme)? Is this one that people do not do anymore?
@calm phoenix
It is an optional trial. And it is Heavnsward as well. I remember I waited quite a while for the queue to pop.
I remember I waited maybe 40 min for Sophia (Containment Bay P1T6)
brave ravine
Cure Potency: 200, duration: 15s -- does that mean we get 5 ticks of heals, each 200 potency?
gritty oracle
Is there a decoration discord? I know the housing discord has a decor channel but that's only one :/
frosty badger
When does make it rain start?
leaden ginkgo
I wish they would add a way that told you what mount someone was using. Saw one but can't find it online. It was a mech mount that had the player sitting on top and there was a control module or something on the top where the player was.
slate arrow
@leaden ginkgo was it a tech ball or a more shiny sphere
open ember
Did it look like a flight suit @leaden ginkgo
leaden ginkgo
Not a ball
slate arrow
oh that's probably gabriel then